Well There‘s Your Problem - Episode 201: Ycuá Bolaños Supermarket Explosion

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 the virtual multi-monitor on it, which means that now, if I get bored at work, I can just fucking fire up, like, whatever. And I'm going to try and resist that urge, right? I just need you to know that it's possible for me and just, you know, keep a sort of watchful eye. And if I seem like I'm like gaming, just start screaming at me. I have, I will admit, now that I don't do it anymore, I have played Peggle while we record. I'm Peggle fucking whips is the thing. like, yeah, that's fair, that's reasonable. Oh, I did, I did start the recording, by the way, so we're now in the cold open portion of the episode.
Starting point is 00:00:38 You'll love a cold open now. I'm going to start a local recording even. Oh, fuck my ass me too. A nice, nice ice cold open, you know. In this heat? Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:00:51 Cracking open and ice cold open with the boys? Yeah. Same point. Well, no, we ruined that joke. I guess we got. I had something there. We wrote. I had something there and I lost it.
Starting point is 00:01:06 Yeah. I'm notarily because I was thinking of the cold open. Ross, can you be a favor before I murder you with your own shoes? Yes. Can you make sure you have disspace? Yes, I already made sure of that. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Yeah. I guess we have to do a sink point. I think that seems likely, yes. Yeah, yeah, it's probably, probably a way to go. Three, two, one, Mark. Wow, I was, I was, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's whenever we do the Zencaste, this happens to me, you know. Devin, you got that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:39 Um, so, uh, hello and welcome to, well, there's your problem. It's a podcast about engineering disasters with slides. I'm Justin Rosanak. I'm the person who's talking right now. My pronouns are he and him. Okay, go. I'm November Kelly. I'm the person who's talking right now.
Starting point is 00:01:55 My voice is in a much lower register than previously, because, I am once again sick, the worst immune system in the world continues to do it to me. My pronouns are she and her. Yay Liam. Hey Liam. Hi, I'm Liam McAnderson. My pronouns are he and him and we don't have Victoria. She's been killed.
Starting point is 00:02:13 Unfortunately. That's a shame. I was really fond of her, you know, but... Me too. When we say temporary host, we mean that shit. Yes. One less mouth to feed. I mean, not that.
Starting point is 00:02:27 Now, now, speaking of mouths to feed, now friends, we've heard you out and we know what you want out of our podcast, which is grocery store chat, right? Of course. People do like it, which is deranged, I think. Well, no, it's a great feeling, you know, going to the grocery store, picking up some delicious food, you're going to cook, you know, later that day or the next day. I went to the grocery store myself just yesterday. I went today.
Starting point is 00:02:55 The people want to hear about what the sort of Tesco meal deal order is, you know, there's a... Oh, absolutely, yeah. People care. People really want to know about our opinions about grocery stores, which we've chosen to illustrate here with once again a screenshot from one of the emergency series of video games, which obviously banger. Yes. Well, hold on. Let's start here, though. I put these questions down.
Starting point is 00:03:17 What do you like in a grocery store? So the sort of like white noise-esque ambience of sort of like life... vitality. You Zach? Yeah. Oh, I like a, the, the, the, the, I like when there's a salad bar. I don't ever go to it, but I like that it's there. The, um, they're like separating the trolleys with the like little tokens that compels
Starting point is 00:03:41 me to unlock the little like chain on that compels me. Yeah, that's a nice one. I like in the Wegmans, they have the little train that runs near the deli counter. Mm-hmm. I like Wegmans a lot. My, my favorite thing, bang your sushi bar? My favorite thing in a grocery store is the freshly baked bakery bit of a little where the baked goods are free so long as you eat them immediately and you don't get caught.
Starting point is 00:04:04 Oh, my dad always calls them used bakery items and I always laugh at that. He's like, oh, they're you, they're pre-owned. I hope not. What do you dislike in a grocery store? Let me hear this. Structural collapse. The prices, the capital. I worry about like, explore.
Starting point is 00:04:23 exploiting poorly wage labor. Yeah. Yeah. Is Wegman's unionized? I'm going to search this and get real mad. I think if they're a union store, that would make a lot of sense. They are not. Retail store workers are not unionized, but their warehouse staff, truck drivers, and bake shop
Starting point is 00:04:42 employees, at least in the Rochester, New York area, are represented by the Teamsters. Weigman's corporate stampers historically opposed as Wiseford unionization. Of course I fucking do. Yeah. Oh, Wegman's, uh, UFC. I belong to USCW when I worked with a liquor store. Oh. Local 1776, baby.
Starting point is 00:04:59 The unionization rates here are basically zero, so whatever. Did I see what, Roz? The roof on the PLCB warehouse collapsed like three days ago. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. I got a text about that, don't worry. I should have put that on the goddamn news. Anyway, yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:16 Do you have a favorite chain of grocery stores? I'm also a Tesco loyalist, but that's like saying you're a Red Army. loyalist, you know when it's the only game in town, what else are you going to do? That's true. That's true. I was going to say Wegmans and I'm like, oh, Wegmans is non-union. I don't know if I should. I think Acme, Acme must be union? I think that's a grocery. Acme is union question mark. Question mark. Okay. It's difficult because the supermarket has a sort of like class dynamic.
Starting point is 00:05:44 So like when I was growing up, we used to be like a Sainsbury's household or like even a waitrose household. If you want to get a little bit more aspirational, that. But, you know, now in my sort of like middle age, I find myself sort of, you know, in the arms of big Tesco. Ah, yes. Now here's an interesting one. What's the worst thing that's ever happened to you in a grocery store? Explosive diarrhea. Why do you ask? It's pretty bad. My partner had just left the country for like months at a time and I was in in a Marks and Spencer's Food Hall and they started playing, it'll be lonely this Christmas without you and I burst out crying.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Christ, oh my dear. Yeah, yeah. I'll take the explosive diarrhea. That's all right. That's all right. That's only one pair of pants, baby. I got that. Okay, here's my last grocery store question.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Are you ever paranoid that you'll be standing in the grocery store and it'll just explode? All the time. Yes. Justin, I have an anxiety. disorder. Yeah, hard time. Well, what if I told you that fear was entirely founded? Yeah, fuck you.
Starting point is 00:06:58 I would bill you for my next therapist visits. Yeah, me too. I see pad bud cough up. Today we're going to talk about the Ikua Bologios grocery store explosion, which is one of the things to ever happen. Oh, boy. I love when we do an episode that's going to unlock some new fears in all of us. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:26 I know from occasionally snooping around comments, a lot of people like the episodes where nobody dies, right? And it's all just a comic, you know, thing that happened. And this is not one of those. Oh, okay. But before we talk about that, and this is one, and I went more and more insane. as I was looking into it more. We have to do the goddamn news.
Starting point is 00:07:54 Don't. Are you fucking serious with this? I still have to. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I had to set up the new monitor. Hold on. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:08:02 I didn't set up the new audio yet. It's kind of, wait. Wait, that was just a calling. Yeah, there we go. We have callings? When did that happen? No, no, that's for 10,000 losses. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:08:18 Okay. I don't want to give these people the power to call me on the phone because they're going to ask me questions like, where's the bonus episode and I'm going to have to start crying until they agree to keep paying me $2 a month. Exactly, exactly. You know, that's the problem with 10,000 losses. You know, Liam and Tom actually care about the listeners. Slow down. I care profoundly.
Starting point is 00:08:43 I'm just aware that I'm constantly letting them down. It's a real kind of like, I have a kind of a deadbeat dad relationship with the listener. I went out for a USBC cord and never came back. I'm right here, man. You're even born yet. All right, all right. Yeah, so everything's on fire. There's wildfires everywhere right now.
Starting point is 00:09:08 I mean, I guess that's the new normal for summer. And tornadoes in Philly, lots of them. Yeah, it turns out that a huge drought in the UK, which means that like the white cliffs of Dover and brown along with all of the grass which is dead and brown um uh Greece is on fire uh but the biggest one is uh in uh like um southwestern France uh in bordeaux particularly like bordeaux is getting like maybe like consumed by a wildfire which uh is bad news if you're one of the like hundreds of thousands of people who live there um if you are riley from trashyature it's also
Starting point is 00:09:44 terrible news for the wine region um and it's extending into like the space as well. You know, they're going to have to work overtime in the Niagara escarpment microclimate. Yeah, I'll say. Oh, ice wide. Yeah. But there was also, also big, what you're calling it, wildfires up in Canada. We got those in Philly. I had, you know, and we got, we got the soot and the smoke from it in Philly. And it was real bad in Boston, I understand. So I managed to like, like, shoot the Gondland with that one because I went to Cape Cod, right, when the smoke got better in Boston and worse than Philly. That's kind of how I feel living in Glasgow when the UK has like four consecutive heat waves. It's 35 degrees. Like people in London are texting me like it's like sleeping
Starting point is 00:10:33 in the fucking oven and I'm up here and it's a balmy like 25 or whatever, you know? I feel like I'm getting away with something. You know, this is this is going to be, you know, know, the future. If people, well, if people don't want to install air conditioning, time to get a vacation house up north. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I guess the sort of good news is if you feel like you're getting away with something now, don't worry. It won't last. That won't last. Yeah, exactly. Although I will say, the worst swampiest weather I've ever experienced was in Moncton, New Brunswick. Oh, it was disgusting. That was terrible. It was really bad. So like the thing about, the thing about living in the frozen north, right? The true north, strong and free, is I once read something when I was
Starting point is 00:11:22 having a lot of like anxiety about flying on a plane, about like what seat is the safest to sit in on a plane, right? Statistically. And it's like, am I safer sitting in like one of the back rows towards the tail? So that way when it like, the plane augurs in, I'm like at the back. And the response to that was, do you think it matters which end of the banana goes into the food process at last, right? That's kind of how I feel about climate change and living in the world. Yep. Well, congratulations. Again, I'm going to talk about all of this with my therapists. I, nowadays, I need one. And I will be billing Roz for the trouble. It's been a couple months. I haven't even brought up climate change with my therapist yet. Oh, yeah. I don't know. We'll do
Starting point is 00:12:12 Got other deep-seated anxieties and insecurities to work through. But we'll get to that eventually. You want to start with it? You want to start with the big one or you want to just get ready to it? No, no, no. This is for the therapist, not for the listeners. Yeah. And in other news.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Lidiv-Div-Bin-Bin-Bin-Div-Div-Bi-Bi-Bi-Bi-Bi-Bi-Bi-Bi-Bi-B-Din-D-D-D-D-D-D-Rat. What a fucking, what a waste of a human being. No, I listen. I said listen, not expecting you to actually listen to me, sorry. Yeah, shit. All right, well, we're waiting. All right, fine, Jesus. I was going to say rest in power,
Starting point is 00:12:57 because that's a funny thing to say about Lindsey Graham. That is a funny, that's a funny thing to say about Lindsay Graham. Lindsay Graham, here is something, here is something which is frustrating. I don't know. One of our nation's great archetypes is gay, fruity, southern guy. And Lindsay Graham never quite made the grade. He never made it out of the closet.
Starting point is 00:13:19 No, it's terrible. I mean, this is the thing, right? Yeah. He could have been great, but instead he really wanted to see Iran get bombed. I'm so frustrated that he lived to see that before he died. Me too. Yeah, yeah. No, it's really, it's shitty in general.
Starting point is 00:13:37 What a waste of human life. You know, I... This guy... Did he ever do anything... ...dye dying coming because he got to, like, get the war he always wanted. Oh, Otto or autosphyxiation. Hell yeah. Yeah, I mean, the thing is, he ran for president one time, right, as a sort of no-hope
Starting point is 00:13:53 candidate. Yep. And at one point, I didn't know this at the time because I wasn't paying attention, but he's... His Senate seat is being taken over temporarily or maybe, like, permanently by his... By his... ...sister, question mark? His sister, yes, his sister, who is his, like... His adopted sister, his like air, etc., etc., right?
Starting point is 00:14:14 She was gonna be the first lady if he was president, which is crazy to think about as the kind of like, yeah, America has a gay president and a sort of like sister wife and no one's allowed to sort of comment, but everyone. USA! USA! This is like one of those TNOs sort of paths that gets like out of control, you know? Yeah, that's... Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:14:38 Yeah. Could I have that? I guess, yeah, you just got, all you can say is rest in piss. I mean, you know, this is, this is, anyway, that you got to, I don't know. There's some amount of contempt you got to have for someone who, you know, I know, I know that, like, the straits are not supposed to make gay jokes about Lindsey Graham. It's fine. I give you my blessing.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Okay, okay. That just, just, if you, if you are a gay person, just come out of the closet and don't be a politician that oppresses gay people. Well, I mean, even the Democrats of his generation couldn't handle that necessarily. But like, no, I mean, I guess the thing is, the lesson is if you are in politics, particularly in the Senate, you know, you have to sort of take time for yourself, take mental health like Mitch McConnell's do. you know. That's true. That's true. Mitch McConnell is having a sabbatical. They sewed Lindsey Graham's brain into Mitch McConnell's body. Duh. Mitch McConnell's going to come back. He's got a he's got a he's got a it's a situation like what's it, uh, crank T Nelson with the brain in the in the compartment in the stomach.
Starting point is 00:16:01 My favorite thing was the Trump eulogy, right? Because they gave Trump the eulogy and they told him to say, everybody loved Lindsey Graham. And he went off book because he's the funniest president. And he was like, well, not everybody. I'll just say that. He was a tough cookie. The final insults.
Starting point is 00:16:23 And he deserved it because he was a coward. Yes. I, you know, it's sort of the same way I feel about Ted Cruz is that. obviously his politics are heinous and repulsive. But the thing I feel about Lindsey Graham is like you were best friends with John McCain and then which like who sucked obviously. But then you couldn't even honor your dead friend's legacy and you became a Trump
Starting point is 00:16:43 sycophant. Like die on your sword, man. Yeah, for real. I was about to say definitely a poster child for one of those Republicans who really had to had to, you know, very critical of Trump at one point and had to, you know, suck it all up and kiss the ring. I still remember he went on. I want to say like the daily.
Starting point is 00:17:01 show, I think. Or maybe it was Colbert Report back in 2012 when it was Hillary and Trump running and he was like, well, would you rather be shot or poisoned? Incredible. It was 2016, and I think he was talking about Ted Cruz and Trump and it was just like,
Starting point is 00:17:17 so what happened, Lindsay? You fucked out of a shot. You're fucking moron. You got shot, yeah. He got shot, yeah. Well, he is now he's dead and Trump isn't. Who won that one? Speaking of
Starting point is 00:17:31 Oh, can I quote from the wiki here? Yeah. In February of 2019, Mark Leavik interviewed Graham for the New York Times magazine. He asked Graham how he became a prominent Trump supporter. Graham responded that he was attempting, quote, to be relevant. Jesus fucking Christ, you're already senator. What more do you need, fuckface? It's like, no, I have to like chase the highest office.
Starting point is 00:17:53 You know, like I have to sort of like, you know, be in the room, right? Because nothing would be worse than being. You guys got to get better at dying on your soul. Swords. Start dying on your swords. For real. Be better at it. Well, speaking of dead Grams,
Starting point is 00:18:08 do-d-d-d-dib-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d- we're definitely a bit late on this one, but I just wanted to voice my opinion about Graham Platner. What in the damn hell was all that for? Yeah. It's like, no, we had to get- We had to get this guy. It had to be him. There wasn't anyone else, apparently, I guess.
Starting point is 00:18:30 I, nobody fact check me, but I'm pretty certain that from day one we took the correct line on this guy, which is, highly skeptical. No. What the hell is wrong with? Yeah, this is, yeah, just, no, absolutely not. I've, I've been Federman before. Yeah, me too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:49 Like, people still go after me twice. Yeah. Yeah. I, uh, dude, it just came out yesterday. I think that the guy who basically orchestrated his rise has now also been incredibly accused of sexual assault. And we just got it. I know.
Starting point is 00:19:04 Trying to do like a kind of left rapist caucus. Yeah. Let's not do that. Oh, God. No. No. I mean, so just on the off chance that you've been living under a rock,
Starting point is 00:19:14 this is Graham Platner, the like a main Senate candidate. Who was in hot water. Get a nice tattoo. Yeah, for having the sort of like death's head Nazi tattoo. Talked his way out of that one. Then got in trouble for some old Reddit comments.
Starting point is 00:19:30 Talked his way out of that one. talked his way out of that one, then got credibly accused of sexual assault by multiple women, tried to talk his way out of that one too. And then finally, at long last, had this really petulant resignation. Thank fucking God. This whole saga was like, I don't know, it caused me like physical stress to watch it play out. It's like, what the hell? People who I like in respect we're putting their, you know, reputations on the line for this guy. And it's like this, what, why are we doing this? You know, it's over now. It's gone.
Starting point is 00:20:08 Yeah. Yeah. And what have we learned seemingly less than nothing? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. This will happen again. We, listen, the American left is going to keep searching for the woke chuds until the heat death of the universe, you know? This, I can do this and I'm not a rapist.
Starting point is 00:20:27 This has convinced me, right? The only legitimate, the only candidates that the left should put up for any political office, you know, we've got to lean into it. It's got to be Muslim women of color with a PhD. I mean, that's just factually true. Like, if you think about Darya Lisa Chevalier, right, she had some incredibly hot takes back in the day, right? But I don't think anyone's going to come out of the woodwork.
Starting point is 00:20:57 This would be a horrible thing to become ironic, but I don't think anyone's going to come out of the woodwork and accuser of like sexual misconduct in that sense, you know? Whereas this guy looking at him, I would say it was pretty obvious to a lot of people, particularly a lot of women, right? That maybe this guy was not in fact the sort of great, great hope of the left, you know? We got to stop running ogres. We got anti-Ogar populism, yeah. Yeah. Damn, it isn't easy being green. But, you know, the, uh, wasn't there like a poll like really early on in the campaign with
Starting point is 00:21:37 Platner versus his other Democratic opponent and, you know, Platner was leading in every category except like LGBTQ, um, where he was severely underwater. It's like people, people could, people could figure this out, you know? Yeah, you get a sense of there. I guess. It's one of these things, I guess, where you have to sort of try and... I don't know why there's this libidinal desire, but like everyone has it, right? And it never works out for doomed candidates, right?
Starting point is 00:22:12 Where, you know, if you're a sort of a Republican, that looks like running Blakemasters in Arizona, where it's like sort of like running this, you know, mass shooter looking motherfucker against an astronaut. If you are like a liberal Democrat, it looks like running some no hope of former like Army Aviation Colonel who's like, my record of service speaks for itself. I care about like small businesses against the worst chud you can imagine and they get stopped. If you're on the left, it looks like, oh, we got a, we got a woke ogre. We got like a guy who's like six, seven and respects your pronouns, like, I guess. He wasn't just a troop.
Starting point is 00:22:51 He was a private military contract. Blackwater, like, pretty late too, right? Wasn't it like 2018? You weren't your Blackwater? Yeah. Well, the funniest thing is, if you got into the paper trail and read his fucking Reddit comments, which again, should be disqualifying just as a use of the medium, then he's like, never got ready. Yeah, I got into Blackwater to find out if it was bad or not, and it was like, cool, dude.
Starting point is 00:23:17 Thank you. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Okay. I had touched the poop. It was me. I wanted to see if it was poop or not. It is always poop. It is always poop.
Starting point is 00:23:32 I don't think that reflects well on you. No, no. So, yeah, I don't know. Good riddance to bad rubbish is all I can say. I'm glad we no longer have to think about this man. This is the last time I will be thinking about this man in my entire life, I hope. He said overconfidently. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:23:52 Now you have to think about whoever they get to replace him, which is going to be another kind of like, you know, dirty jobs motherfucker. So it's like they're going to find a guy who like is a logger or like is a fucking, I don't know, ice road trucker. I don't know a third thing they have a mate. We need a mic row. Folks, we need a micro of the left. Isn't that just you?
Starting point is 00:24:15 All right. All right. We have one more news item, possibly the most important. more than one. Okay. But it a bit, but... Wow, this one makes me bad. LeBron James, LeBron James has signed on with the Sixers.
Starting point is 00:24:35 We are going to... He will be living in New York City, apparently. I mean, LeBron to the Sixers in and of itself feels like one of those apocalyptic portents, you know, like more than even the wildfires. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah, yeah, that absolutely is true. is true. But he's going to live apparently in New York City, and he is going to commute to the training center each day via helicopter. Don't do that. That's too much talent to put it at risk
Starting point is 00:25:08 in the machine that wants to kill. Yeah, that's the goddamn river lot, 20,000 moving parts looking for a place to crash. Yeah, yeah. This is not, this is not, this is not like, you know, Where did Kobe's helicopter crash? L.A. L.A., yeah, they don't have weather there. This is the East Coast. There's thunderstorms every fucking day all summer. This is,
Starting point is 00:25:30 this is like hearing that a sort of beloved friend is going to get them, a motorcycle license in middle age, you know, like, I keep petitioning my wife to let me do it, and I can get me to do it. I also want one.
Starting point is 00:25:43 And like, if anyone lets me get one, they are responsible for my inevitable and grisly the mind. this is the whole thing is uh you know it other than being an apocalyptic omen of the end times it does feel like sort of a slap in the face because i you know when we heard lebron was coming um the first thing that like june and bruce and i were on about was like okay where is he going to live you know this is exciting you know because philly is a place that's cheap enough and has enough big grand old houses, you know, it's not like a totally out of the question that LeBron moves on to your block. No, he's going to live in New York City. What an asshole.
Starting point is 00:26:23 We considered that he's only doing this, maybe to be in a, like, the smallest possible minority of those, how do you commute to work graphs? To be the one guy who commutes by helicopter. Yeah. Yeah, the one guy. Well, that, that number keeps getting, every time it gets up to like two or three, it starts dropping down. Yeah, it's, uh, nature, nature, nature, he's a, nature. Nature, is what I'll say. I do think that like, so all the Flyers live in Borges, all the Eagles live in Moors Town, except for Jason Kelsey and so are on the main line. Just live on the main line.
Starting point is 00:26:57 There are so many grand old houses you could have, LeBron. You could have multiple grand old houses. You're worth billions of dollars. Yes. Yeah, for real. Just buy an old palace. I don't know. Yeah, buy an old, you know, sort of like gilded age palace and restore it or don't restore it
Starting point is 00:27:14 do something completely new with it, you know? Like, either way, better than taking your life in your hands. Yeah. Honest to God, I mean, you know, if you live in New York City, it's probably faster to take the train than the helicopter. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, ask M-Track if you can attach a private car to one of the regionals. What's you do it?
Starting point is 00:27:32 You're LeBron James. Yeah, yeah, I was about to say. They won't let us do it anymore, but. The LeBron James presidential train car is an incredible bit. Doing a whistlestop tour of the Northeast Corridor. Yeah, at least Georgia 300. You know, Barack Obama did it. LeBron James is at least as important as Barack Obama.
Starting point is 00:27:56 Yeah, I don't know. It's frustrating. Go, go Sixers. And we have Jalen Brown now. So that'll be great. Vibes, baby. All vibes, no breaks, right until the third round playoff exit. That was the goddamn news.
Starting point is 00:28:14 Bidoo-Boo-B-D-B-B-d-d-d-d-d-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo-bo. Bo-B-B-Dub-Dub-B-D-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-all-all-all-all- We have to start with a question. No, actually, several questions. I really employed the Socratic method on this one. What is Paraguay? It's like Uruguay, but harder to make it into a homophobic joke. That's when you jump out of a plane and you're gay. God damn it.
Starting point is 00:28:46 The triple... Come upon the risers? That's nothing. That's nothing. The triple alliance and then a bunch of military dictators, like soybeans and shit, I think. I don't know. I would say the people of Paraguay have had a very long run of bad luck.
Starting point is 00:29:03 I wasn't expecting Liam to pull out the sort of CIA world facts book. It's just like, yeah, the OECD says that it mostly exports soybeans. So I... So I, I'm quick with it on Wikipedia. it on Wikipedia and B, I remember the Triple Alliance War because I was lecturing Corinna on it one time a couple months ago. I mean, that is cool. Thank you. Thank you. She didn't fix out. The chief, the chief, sort of, no, I mean, this is the thing. The chief reason for learning any history is to lecture your wife who is not interested. Oh, she's not. She's not. Like, my favorite
Starting point is 00:29:35 thing is that about Corinne is I'm just like, we're going to watch World War II with Tom Hanks. And she goes, ugh, like, but I want to watch a Disney movie. No, no, no. I don't. I don't. I I'm the man and therefore we watch what I want. And then they find me dead with 38 stab words and they're all very confused. Yeah. And they're right to do it. But also at this point, World War II with Tom Hanks is a Disney movie. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:58 You know, no one ever takes me up on my idea for, you know, submarine movie date night. You know. I actually, I am stealing that from you. You would get marriage proposals in the comments. You may already be getting. You are. Yeah, well, yeah. You want to go watch, hey, let's let's, let's, let's, uh, let's, uh, you know.
Starting point is 00:30:19 Let's watch Dostoput, uh, U571 K-19. I'll, I'll make a, I'll make a nice dinner. We'll watch Datsboot. We'll watch Hunt for Red October. It's like Yogan Froctow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm my favorite new podcast, kill James Rods. Yeah, no, it's, no, it's, it's, uh, the, the important thing is there should be
Starting point is 00:30:42 absolutely no women in the moon. movie. Yeah, no, that is important. That is absolutely important in the summary. Yeah, the Bechdel test, and Roz is just like, if it passes, I'm turning it off. If it even comes close to like, it can't even be applied.
Starting point is 00:31:01 Anyway, anyway. I made Corinne sit through like half of Apollo 13, and she was like, when does it? It's a great movie. Yeah. Anyway. It's like, I probably I think it was like edging. engineering style.
Starting point is 00:31:15 Sorry. Yes, Ross. Yeah. Ladies. Don't know what it says. Submarine movie. To ladies.
Starting point is 00:31:20 Yeah. Submarine movie date night. Hit me up. Anyway, no, Paraguay, you know, this is a country that's had
Starting point is 00:31:27 for 50 US dollars. I will give you Roz's cell phone number and you too can be ignored. Listen, it's not just him. Some of us do not respond. I have years old
Starting point is 00:31:42 Discord messages that I've been meaning. to get to and I'm so sorry. Oh, I don't check this. You can text me. That is the one way to reach me. Or you can bug my wife. Who will probably ignore you.
Starting point is 00:31:53 That's fine. Tell me about Paraguay, Ross. Paraguay is generally a country that's had a bad run of luck. You know, it is landlocked. It is one of two landlocked countries in South America. The other one being Bolivia has a long history of these sort of awful right-wing authoritarian governments.
Starting point is 00:32:15 It was a belligerent in war of the Triple Alliance and came off by far the worst. Yeah, they got rats. That was, that was very bad. Yeah, and Paraguay, I feel like, you know, people just don't, don't think about Paraguay very much. I certainly do not, because I, I don't know. When I think about South America, it's, it's always getting real mad about Argentina. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:44 Well, Argentina or Brazil. And you're right to do it. Yeah. Yes. But yeah, this is, this is a country. I think has had a pretty long run of bad luck. I mean, it's got, it's got like one city. It's a Suncheon, which is the capital.
Starting point is 00:32:58 There's like another one somewhere in here too, but it's like smaller. I, they, I mean, in terms of like, you know, economic development, I, they don't even have a railroad in there. My God. What's a law to do? Yeah, it's pretty underdeveloped, pretty, uh, it's, it's not like, it's not like super impoverished, but it's, this is a country that's always been dealt a pretty bad hand, right?
Starting point is 00:33:27 Sure. Yeah. Now you have to ask more questions. What is a drop ceiling? Oh, God. Uh, the bane of your existence specific. Like in the backrooms. Like in the backrooms.
Starting point is 00:33:38 Yeah. So the drop ceiling as shown here, these sort of tile, these ceilings with the big standardized tiles. The old ones are made out of asbestos. The new ones are made out of, you know, a lot of asbestos substitutes that, you know, don't work as well, but that's life, you know. A drop ceiling is nice. It's great that we put all these in like every British school and we all spent all day throwing like pens up to stick in them and showering us as best us. Or like throwing people up there. You push up the tile in the boys' bathroom and you store snacks up there, you know. Yeah, yep, yeah. Sure, man. Or other stuff.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Contraband. Get the asbestos pringles and some and some weed. Delicious. Well, the problem with asbestos in weed is that it's harder to smoke. I need my best as fake. It won't lie. What the fuck. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:38 My asbestos vape that does nothing. It's just a brick of asbestos. So drop ceilings are actually a pretty good roofing system or ceiling system, right? They're on hangers from the ceiling, right, that supports this sort of metal grid. You insert the tiles individually. Some of the tiles are lights, right? This is useful because you can use it to conceal utility. like electrical wires, like HVAC ducting, like telecommunications line, plumbing, so on and so forth,
Starting point is 00:35:13 all the building systems, right? So you don't have to look at them, right? And then it's an easy place to put lighting, horrible, ugly overhead lighting, but lighting just the same. Oh, the urine tinged one, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, this is a real like architectural feature that makes people want to kill themselves. One of the very useful things, especially in oddly shaped or older buildings is that drop ceilings reduce the amount of volume of the building that needs to be climate controlled, right? There's a big air gap above the drop ceiling that does not need climate control. So I'll give you an example of this, which is the shop wrong. This is, this, Liam and I used to live very close to this. This is the Supremo food market at 43rd in Walnut. We used to
Starting point is 00:36:05 call it the shop wrong. Proto selection is great. I wouldn't trust the meat selection, though. Do not do that. No, you will get turbo diarrhea. Yeah, yeah. It's not a matter of if or what. It is a matter of certainty.
Starting point is 00:36:20 It is the only place I could find to reliably get dried Mexican chilies, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is, this is an old pen fruit. You can see by this large, thin shell concrete roof here, right? When this opened as a pen fruit, this entire facade would have been a great, big glass sheet, right? One of the problems with the Penn Fruit Company is that all their buildings were incredibly expensive to heat and cool because they did that because it looks cool. But, you know, it's difficult to do climate control in there. So when this became the Supremo food market, which I think the sign over here says Supreme Shopping Bag, you know, this is one of those.
Starting point is 00:37:04 one of those stores that has four signs that say four different things. You know, they took a look at the pen fruit design. They're like, we can't afford that. They painted over the glass up here, right? And inside, of course, they installed a drop ceiling at the same height as the rest of the store. And that means this entire volume here, which is otherwise only for aesthetics, that entire volume is now unheated and uncooled. So they're saving a lot of money doing that.
Starting point is 00:37:36 It does say save a lot right there, Ross. You have a kind of decorative hump. Pretty much, yeah. Well, no, it's thin shell concrete. This arch is entirely structural. It's just that you don't get the extra headroom in there anymore. But yeah, so that's the purpose of the drop ceiling, especially in older buildings, is like you reduce the amount of space.
Starting point is 00:37:55 You have the air condition that you have to heat. And this is one of the reasons they're so ubiquitous. You see them everywhere. They're easy to maintain. they're easy to get parts for because they're so ubiquitous. They just work, they work really good at what they do. They save you a lot of money. The drop ceiling, it's ugly, but it works.
Starting point is 00:38:14 That's about all I can say on that one. Same. I hear that. Yeah. Okay, we're going to do a third one, a third, a third Socratic question. Oh, we're on a heater today. Go on Socrates. What is paralysis?
Starting point is 00:38:27 It's the thing that makes your favorite whiskey smell and taste good. I was going to say it's the thing where you can't move your limbs so good. Oh, that's the, that's paralysis. Yep, that's the joke, asshole. Yeah, no, I, okay, okay. Anyway, all right, so stuff can catch on fire, right? Hopefully everyone knows that. Yeah, right?
Starting point is 00:38:51 Not my asbestos. That is going to make it through to the end time. Yeah. Now, fire, fire needs oxygen, right? And if there's not very much present or none, then certain chemical changes can occur in the stuff that we call paralysis, right? And this is sort of your weakening molecular bonds in usually organic matter due to heat. And heat alone.
Starting point is 00:39:17 It's not combustion. This is just due to the heat. You know, we have big molecules that become smaller and lighter molecules. We have some lovely, like examples of some wood char here. Got some charcoal here. That's a product of paralysis. This usually results in off-gassing of various volatile and usually flammable gases, right? And if they're flammable gases, they're in the presence of heat.
Starting point is 00:39:43 They may even be in the presence of an ignition source, but there's not enough oxygen for them to burn, right? So they just sort of hang around. And the removal of these and the weakening of molecular bonds may actually make the material in question undergoing paralysis much more readily combustible. And a great example is charcoal, right? You heat the wood until it turns black and then, you know, in the presence of no oxygen, right? And the resulting product, when removed, will actually burn much hotter than just straight wood. You know, it burns hotter, it burns cleaner and it burns brighter than it did before. That's why you can use it to grill.
Starting point is 00:40:30 My favorite pyrolysis is caramelization. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Love to do it to some onions. I did that two days ago, actually. Hell yeah. Cook it forever. And so paralysis occurs to most organic matter, really basically anything flammable. It's a useful chemical process for a lot of things. It's a nightmare for firefighters, though. Let's go here. Yeah, they've got to spend ages waiting for the onions to caramelize.
Starting point is 00:40:56 Exactly, exactly. Those guys love cooking. I want chili right now. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, firefighter chili. Oh, my God. Yeah. Are you a firefighter? Invite us to your firehouse for the chili cookoff, please. Please. This is biblical levels of greed. First, you want a submarine movie date night. Second, you want to hang out with the firefighters need chili. This is like... I like chili. I'm not ashamed of that.
Starting point is 00:41:21 I want the... Which one of us is asking for $200 on Twitter, Nova? Yeah. No, no, no, you know what else? Give me $200. Give me a Corvette engine ignition ringtone, too. Listing the three coolest things you can think of, and you know what? You're right about every single one of them.
Starting point is 00:41:47 So now we have to ask, okay, what is flashover? Bad. This is one of the biggest dangers to firefighters, a flashover, right? How do we explain flashover? Okay. imagine you go to West Virginia University. Yes, I do. I don't want to, but okay.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Go, no, mountaineers. Right, yes. Yeah, go mountaineers. It's fall. The leaves are changing. It's a beautiful, bright cloudless day. Temperature's perfect. You can wear a nice sweater and everything.
Starting point is 00:42:13 You just finished your last midterm, right? There's birds chirping out there. There's squirrels and raccoons and possums and all the other Appalachian animals, right? And you're riding the, the Morgantown personal rapid transit system. from the school, back to your apartment in downtown Morgantown, right along the banks of the shimmering Banahela River. It's beautiful mirror finish today, right? You know, you're having a great day, and then you get the good news.
Starting point is 00:42:41 Mountaineers won. It was a tough game, but the Mountaineers won. Eat shit, pit. Yeah, exactly. Taking a long walk up to this one, huh? We got time. We got time. You know what you're doing.
Starting point is 00:42:54 No, no, no. You know what you're doing later that evening. lighting a couch on fire it's time to burn a couch I see okay college football fucking rules now traditionally
Starting point is 00:43:12 this is done outdoors but let's say you and your friends are particularly stupid and or drunk right again you go to West Virginia you are drunk you've had 14 or 15 rolling rocks I don't know what beer they
Starting point is 00:43:27 drinking Morgantown, to be honest. Rolling rock, dude. Yeah, probably rolling rock. It's rolling rock. Yeah. None of you really want to move the thing. So you just set the thing on fire right there in the living room. As the flames spread along the upholstery, the living room, which you have since fled and
Starting point is 00:43:45 shut the door to, the living room begins to lose oxygen. The flames die down a bit, but they haven't been extinguished, right? Various plastics. Yeah, you're caramelizing this. Yes. Various plastics, polymers, coatings, and so forth on the fabric, begin to paralycise into volatile gases that start to fill the room. When your roommate comes home from an important exam, he smells smoke. He's entirely sick of you and your friend's bullshit.
Starting point is 00:44:16 He really starts to reconsider his decision to sign the lease. But anyway, he opens the door to the living room and foam. oxygen rushes into the room. Those volatile flammable gases that are already heated rapidly combust. The couch fire roars back into life. The entire room is filled with flame immediately. Your roommate's face is melted off instantly. Most of his body is medium well now with a beautiful crust, right?
Starting point is 00:44:48 Yeah, like that's safe for Brady. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a my own reaction. You know what that is pyrolysis. Yeah, exactly. his funeral was closed casket smelled incredible I want you to use all your powers
Starting point is 00:45:05 you can you can really tell when we record hungry but this is what you get for not checking the temperature of every door that you open yes this is this is a flashover it's a very common very deadly aspect of building fires
Starting point is 00:45:23 This is why firefighters have special procedures for opening doors and structure fires. Because even with, you know, lots and lots of PPE, heavy firefighting codes, you know, the mylar stuff, everything, the flashover can still kill you in seconds. Yeah, turns out. Yeah. Which obviously is not desirable. But you did beat Pitt, which is the most important thing. That's true, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:51 No, of course. And in order to celebrate this, you did create a kind of fuel air explosive in your dorm room with a sort of couch as the initiator. That guy was a weird, dumb nerd anyway. So also, this is why ventilation of like gases resulting from cooking is important, right? Because paralysis is an effective heat, not of combustion. So allowing gases from cooking to accumulate can be dangerous, especially in, you know, high-intensity commercial kitchen type operations. So vent hoods and the associated ducting with them need to be powerful.
Starting point is 00:46:33 They need to be short. They need to be direct. Too many bends in the ducting can allow for, let's say, a spot where vaporized oil can accumulate other products of paralysis and that can clog the system up or do even nastier things. It's just like, oh, you have to climb into this ducts. die hard in order to clean out this one grease trap, otherwise the entire building is getting napalm. We'll get to that. God damn.
Starting point is 00:47:02 So now that we're 12 slides in, what was Ikua Bolognaus? Well, I'll say one thing for it. It had a charmingly low resolution load. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is, well, this is what was on Wikipedia. You know, I didn't want to, I didn't have time to, well, I did have time to open a vector program. I just chose not to. It is a compliment. Yeah. I like this.
Starting point is 00:47:26 It reminds me a Penn Central. Yeah. This is, but very simply, this is a Paraguayan regional grocery store chain. You know, like the Acme or Market Basket or H.E.B. Or Corb Torsons or Gupps or Chunky Friend. You.
Starting point is 00:47:44 Win Vixie? Publix. It's like an, it's like an Audi sued or an Aldi Nord. Or an Aldi Nord. Or wise markets. the good one, not the bad one that I hate on Edgar Square. Ooh, or a piggly wiggly or a, what else can I think of?
Starting point is 00:48:04 Nope, that's it, move on. That's it, we're done. That's all the regional grocery store chains. So Juan Pio Piava opened a butcher shop in 1978 and he expanded it into a supermarket in 1987. And then after that, he had enough success to start opening new locations afterwards. There were four of these supermarkets in the Ascension area, and they all had numbers. They were numbered one, two, three, and five. Is this like letting pigs out numbered one, two, and four? Oh, yeah. This is big senior prank energy. Yeah. Trying to catch the Yukua Balanos number four.
Starting point is 00:48:46 Yeah. I sort of get the impression that this is a bit of an upscale chain of grocery stores, right? Like a Paraguay and Wegmans, right? By all accounts, apparently- Paraguay wage froze? Ooh, yeah, yeah. You know, this seemed like a nice place to shop. The company also dabbled in food production. They had in-house labels for many common food stuff. You know, they got some- sort of Paraguayan marks and Spencers at this point, you know? With the fancy salmon that you had to pay for it. 45 pounds for her and get the dressing on the side.
Starting point is 00:49:18 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to talk about store number five. Oh, this fucks. Also called the, this one had a name. It was Botanico. I assume this looks a lot better what it's on it. It looks like a, yeah, this looks like a kind of Dorito explosion. I'm a big fan of it. This building fucks. I really love this thing. It's amazing to look at. Yeah. You know, if you're, if you're listening audio only, what the hell is wrong with you?
Starting point is 00:49:44 But also, yeah, sort of described this. This is a sort of 1960s googie design, right? You know, a bunch of, yeah, a bunch of Doritos with some cutouts or windows. Got some glass blocks down here. Well, we'll talk about these later, actually. You know, it's got this sign as the sign rules, the neon rules. Everything about it's great. I want to shop here.
Starting point is 00:50:10 Like, if they open this near me, I would be like, I'm, even if I knew. what was going to happen, I'd be like, I can probably get out of there in time. I would want to buy like a merch from this store's design, you know, like a hat that looks like, you know, like the Wisconsin cheese head hat like that with one of these like big orange triangles, you know? This is a photo from right after the store opened. All of these horizontal surfaces here and on the sign, they were actually planters. They grew bushes on there.
Starting point is 00:50:42 Wow. Yeah. Oh, cool. This is a two-story store. So there was a shopping floor, and underneath that was the parking lot, right? There were a couple mezzanines in there for offices and also for part of the food court. It had a big food court, sat like 300-something people. It had a bakery.
Starting point is 00:51:06 It had a deli. It had all the stuff that makes grocery shopping great. We're in this store, right? Yeah, this sounds like a great day out. Yeah, no, I want to shop here. You know, they should open one in West Philly, maybe in that big empty space in the new building by Clark Park. Wasn't that supposed to be a grocery store?
Starting point is 00:51:25 It was. I think they want to put a restaurant in there now. Sure, they don't. It's, you know, it's too big for a restaurant. It's too small for a grocery store. It's going to stay vacant. No, I'm sorry. You can't get the impossibly cool Paraguayan grocery store.
Starting point is 00:51:43 You have to get a restaurant that does things a little different. Yeah, yeah. It's, I just want a normal Irish pub. Give me the Irish pub this size. The sort of two-floor experience of food for. Oh, yeah. It also had, it wasn't just like a supermarket as we experience it, like, well, at least in the United States. They also had sections for like, I think they had an automotive product section somewhere,
Starting point is 00:52:12 which is relevant later on. Oh, no. They had a few. It's not quite a department store. It's mostly a grocery store, but they had other items in there as well. Things attached, right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:24 Is it relevant later on because it's cool? Is it relevant later on because that's a fun thing to have? I think it's the opposite of cool, if you will. Yeah, I was about to say, you know, the thing about automotive products is there's a lot of flammable things there. A petroleum, baby. So this is an amazing. store. Everyone loves it. It's a fantastic success. Thousands of people can shop here at the same time
Starting point is 00:52:48 on a busy day. It's really popular, right? Everyone wants to go here, go here to see and be seen, go to the food court, eat some delicious food, get some food for your family, get some kind of, I don't know, engine oil for your car, you know, and you can just walk downstairs and drive back home. So yeah, this is great. This is amazing. This is amazing. This is. This is wonderful. This is the best thing to happen in Ascension in a long time. Things are looking up. So on August 1st, 2000 forward about 1120 a.m., the store exploded.
Starting point is 00:53:23 Oh, God damn it. God damn it. I, okay. Yeah. I mean, 1120 a.m. is kind of early to be heading the grocery store. So that's a mercy, I guess, maybe. No. No.
Starting point is 00:53:41 It's not going to be. weekend. Oh, come on. Oh, that's not an early time. That's the time when you go out and get the stuff people came in for the picnic. Yeah, people came in for the blue plate special at the food court. An immense wall of flame started from the ceiling of the food court. Oh, we're getting right. We're getting right. Fucking into it, ha ha. Quickly worked its way through the entire store. Anybody nearby the source of the flame was reduced to ashes instantly. They didn't even know.
Starting point is 00:54:16 Jesus, what's right. They didn't even know what was happening. The only quicker death on record, I think, is probably Lott's wife being turned to a pillar of salt. That's scary. Yeah. That's, that's fucking scared. I mean, I do, again, on these episodes, I always, I always sigh with the, you'd want
Starting point is 00:54:35 to die quick in this one. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Generally. Like, my ideal is, you know, the sort of halifax. port explosion thing, where you don't know the first thing about it. Like your nerve endings are in a different county before they're firing anything at you. Like my ideal form of euthanasia is they give me a bundle of grenades.
Starting point is 00:54:57 I've been very clear about this, but like I, in this case, there's something about the, you are combusting feeling. Yeah, I really, I don't care for. You were enjoying some kind of delicious torta. Right. Now you're at the pearly gates. Right. Connected to God.
Starting point is 00:55:14 Yeah. Right. Just like you're, I think it's the sensation right of like, okay, you turn to ashes instantly. Sure, fine. The feeling of like, oh, I'm the meat that's coming straight off the bone. No, no, no, no, no, thank you. I don't. It doesn't please me at all.
Starting point is 00:55:31 Again, you can tell what we record when we're hungry. Yeah. I think about the ones. Oh, what was the one we were talking about? Oh, the piper alpha one with the expressive decomposity. Exclose decompression. Yeah, that was super bad. That was not Piper Alpha.
Starting point is 00:55:47 That was fucking, they're yelling at me in the comments right now. I want to say badcock and Wilcox, but that's just the name of boiler. That's a boiler manufacturer. Yeah, no. Diving bell, chunky mariner. The dicker clocking. The ticker clocking. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:07 Yeah. Bife and dive the dolphin. There we go, thank you very much. Fucking handy enough, yeah. It took me like an hour and a half to find that. I love that joke is transatlantic. Yeah, I don't want to get turned into whatever this is. Super well done Liam steak.
Starting point is 00:56:25 Yeah. No, no. It's alarmingly close to this sort of Thanos situation as well. Like you just could have sort of kind of turn into like wind blown sand, you know? explosion also knocks out the power, which adds to the confusion. But the manager at the store thinks very quickly. And he says to security over the radio, lock the fucking doors.
Starting point is 00:56:52 No one's getting out without paying for the merchandise. No, he doesn't. No, he does. No, he does not. All right, all right. I didn't cut it. Shoot this guy. I don't even care.
Starting point is 00:57:01 He's dead. We're going to do a cadaver sign on. We're going to do the thing where they kill. What is it? Nine generations of your family. We're going to make. the guy who kills his family look like a pussy, right? You never want the only line of defense between you and being turned into the meat that
Starting point is 00:57:20 fall straight off the bone to be a supermarket man. Yes. Or like an assistant manager, you know? There. No disrespect to supermarket managers, I mean, some, but like that that's not a sort of coal that you should have to be nice. No, that's a let them go, please, or you're all, you're all, you know, you're all, you're It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:57:39 Whatever. Is he dead? I hope he's dead. Yes. I would assume so. Yeah. Yeah. The man, the manager on the radio like log.
Starting point is 00:57:48 The manager in question was killed in the fire. Some small justice I guess. Yeah. Yeah, that tracks. So there's about a thousand people in the store, right? Oh, that's a lot of fucking people. Jesus Christ. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:02 If you look this thing up. Like, this is, this is like taking like two A380s and flying them. into the side of a mountain for no reason? Well, if you look at this thing up on English Wikipedia, it sounds like some of these facts are in dispute to the court documents and actual reporting says something otherwise. They actually locked the fucking doors, made people queue up to pay for their stuff, right?
Starting point is 00:58:26 How? The power was out? This was... I must have had to pay in cash, I guess. Fuck you! This was apparently... I just have card. I'm going to die. They actually locked the fucking doors.
Starting point is 00:58:44 This was apparently a common practice in Paraguay when there was a power outage or other minor emergency that risks a sudden breakdown in the social order. People might go in and loot, so they just locked the fucking doors. It is unclear if the manager knew there was a horrible fire. It couldn't smell it. Well, he died, so.
Starting point is 00:59:07 So I'm okay. Eventually at some point. Yeah, it's probably, probably, you know, probably realized the error of his way is before he was slowly turned into a, you know, extremely well done steak. I mean, in some sense, I feel like this guy about the like, you know, Captain of the Titanic or vice versa, you know, at least he went down with the ship, right? Yeah. muzac near my god to the
Starting point is 00:59:37 other than town. That's the fucking Kmart playlist. So there everyone was in a human stampede up to the fucking checkout counters. And there of course being held up because the sales associate can't remember the
Starting point is 00:59:55 product code for Swiss chard, right? Yeah, I mean, like bagging groceries quickly is not usually life or death in this case. It actually is. You're stuck behind the old person who's trying to pay with like three different kinds of checks. Yeah, yeah. So you could just say my dad.
Starting point is 01:00:13 It could have been worse. You know, they didn't have self-checkout back then, you know, where, we're like, there's a ranging- self-checkout through the fucking window. Well. Place your chilling. The sort of equivalent here. Please place all bite items in the back.
Starting point is 01:00:29 Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic here is counting the number of items in the express checkout. please wait help is on the way yeah so this is not you know I have some kind of like yeah I have a sort of a sensory thing like autism not a surprise where I find the kind of cacophony
Starting point is 01:00:52 in a self-checkout kind of difficult sometimes and I have occasionally had the thought you know of like if people started melting right now it would really be like you know like the last thing I did you know Yes. That would really add insult to injury. I do like that you and I had physiological responses to Roz doing the checkout lines.
Starting point is 01:01:13 Yeah, I was tense. I love that. So this is not conducive to an orderly and rapid evacuation of 1,000 plus people. And so folks started to pile up right behind the checkout counters. And I'm going to say here in the United States, and I think probably in Britain too, I think in most of the world, people might get. get wiser this and just push past the supermarket rent-a-cops. Yeah, I'm bigger than you are. I got this.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Yeah, the one kind of cop that Americans don't respect. Yeah. Yeah, but this is Paraguay. This is in South America. Those rent-a-cops are armed. They got guns. They got big guns. This is turning into Titanic.
Starting point is 01:01:57 It's like pulling, pulling the fucking pistol on the guy who tries to sneak into the lifeboat because it's a women and children first. Yeah, I was taking my dick. except instead of women and children first, it's 11 items. Taking my dick out of the Paraguay grocery store to tell my wife my slug was huge, doesn't really, it's not really romantic, is it? Yeah. There's multiple accounts of security guards pulling out their weapons and firing warning shots into the air
Starting point is 01:02:23 to stop the crowd from leaving the extremely on-fire building. I think there's a level of on-fire, not to suggest that I'm a particularly brave person. I'm a cow. Yeah. Right. I think there is a level of me. being on fire at which warning shot would cease to determine. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:39 I think you might have to shoot me if part of me was on fire. There's also an account, one of the first people on the scene to try and alleviate the situation was an off-duty volunteer firefighter who tried to force open an emergency exit from the outside before being warded off by more warning shots from a security guard. Oh. I'm noticing that like even before there's any like sort of fire engines or anything outside, there's a lot of very visible smoke that would seem to suggest to me that maybe this is not a kind of like, you know, TikTok, let's all go to fucking Oxford Street and Rob H&M type flashmob.
Starting point is 01:03:18 It does not. But instead, no, no, but it's called flash over, not flash mob. The building may be on fire at this point. Now, Paraguay at the time, I think maybe even. even still now, but certainly at the time, they only had one professional fire brigade. What? Jesus. At the Silvio Pederasi International Airport, which is about six miles down the road.
Starting point is 01:03:44 Okay, that's actually mighty convenient. That's rough. That's one of those things where it's like, oh, the sort of like international air travel has a sort of parallel form of governance where it's like, no, you don't get an airport unless you have like a fire department trained to a standard. I believe that they were called to the scene that were played. plenty of volunteer fire companies who will also start arriving shortly after the incident, right? There's also passers by who eventually start trying to help out at this point because they just,
Starting point is 01:04:12 they hear all the screams from inside the building. Jesus. Yeah. No, I, this is, this is not the kind of situation where it's sufficient to rely on the International Air Travel Agency Belt Republic. Yes. I'm like you did. This, this damn fire ran through the building so damn quickly. It was all but impossible to even enter the building by the time the firefighters got there. Just because behind the registers there was just a wall of bodies. Oh, oh, Jesus.
Starting point is 01:04:42 Jesus. Yeah, I played Left for Dead too. Yeah. They had to stand across the street to start out with an aim water cannons at the thing. And, you know, the only way out of the building is blocked by a cashier. asking for price check on heirloom tomatoes. Fuck off. Fuck off.
Starting point is 01:04:59 We're going to get a fight. With like dying breath, you and I are going down together, motherfucker. It just won't ring up. That means it's free as I've been cold by flames. The natural result of all this is that as the smoke and flame poured in, and keep in mind,
Starting point is 01:05:20 this all happened in the matter of minutes, right? There was now, you know, pile of bodies right behind the registers, people just dead from smoke inhalation, not even like fire at this point, although the fire did eventually make it there. Thus, it was impossible to access the rest of the store from the one entrance that was open. There are accounts of firefighters essentially having to shovel bodies out of the way just to cut a path deeper into the store to try and find maybe some survivors, which they did find.
Starting point is 01:05:54 like that. A lot of people went into refrigerators and into bathrooms that did not get hit so hard by the fire. Some people were actually... This is a new series of like body horror. I was going to say that. Hold on a second. No, no. I don't like that. Some people were trapped alive underneath the pile of bodies, which is about waist high. They survived because they were insulated by the dead bodies from the smoke and the flame. They take what you can get, right? You never want to be sort of functionally on the inside of a human baked elast.
Starting point is 01:06:31 Yes. I was going to say, you know that scene from Star Wars where it cuts the things, tummy open and sleeps at it? Yeah. Yep. It's sort of the reverse of that, yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:39 I have to, I have to sleep after reporting. That's going to be... This is, this is horrific incident. I... This is a... Apart from anything else, this is, like, really, like,
Starting point is 01:06:51 if you wanted to come up with the most, like a synecary for capitalism, it's like, oh, no, you have to like pay for your fucking groceries and we will shoot at you even as you're better. Yeah. So sometime in this process, the whole damn roof falls down, right? Additional explosions are caused when all the lubricants and the motor oil and stuff like that explodes in the automotive section. The floor.
Starting point is 01:07:19 Yeah, yours just sort of in the automotive section, look, holding at the bottom. of fucking castrol GTX or whatever and you're just like oh this is going to get worse before it's better if you were one of the I don't know 20 people who made it through the registers and managed to to you know check after they scanned you know the craft mac and cheese
Starting point is 01:07:38 four times until it worked you went down to the parking lot to try and get your car shit out of luck this floor collapsed into the parking lot crushes a bunch of people in their cars oh Jesus Christ I don't want to say common of errors, but God Almighty. This is, this is like,
Starting point is 01:07:58 I, you, you would struggle to do this on purpose, right? Even the most depraved sort of anti-grocery terrorist organization wouldn't hate grocery stores enough
Starting point is 01:08:12 to cook this one up on purpose. Yes. Here's an architectural feature I very much like, which is this huge glass block wall here. on an ankle. That's really cool. This is where passers-by had to throw rocks into the glass block wall to make an opening for people to escape.
Starting point is 01:08:36 That's what I said. That's expedient self-checkout. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This eventually... It was a lot of big part to death, I guess. This also became the main access point for the firefighters, because, again, there's too many bodies over by the registers. The, again, I have to stress, volunteer part-time firefighters. I assume there's also still.
Starting point is 01:08:58 I'm prepared for this, I would probably. Is the manager dead yet? Have we checked? The manager, we don't know what happened to him. Oh, wait, we do. No. No, the manager died. He was probably dead at this point.
Starting point is 01:09:09 There's still one guy, one guy down there at the register is saying, price check on cilantro, register for, price check on cilantro, register for. I've looked into this, by the way, and thank you to the Asuncant Times for telling me that to become a volunteer firefighter in Paraguay, you have to do four months of training two times a month. And also, the motto of one of these volunteer fire companies appears to be discipline, valor, abnegation,
Starting point is 01:09:40 which is philosophically troubling. So the Thomas Pinchin volunteer fire department is going to come and get you, out, maybe. What are their chili cookoffs like, though? Delicious. Probably really good. Probably really good. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Probably like crazy good.
Starting point is 01:09:57 Yeah. Actually extinguishing this. If you are, a Paraguayan firefighter. Are you a Paraguayan firefighter? Please invite us. It took, it took eight hours to extinguish the fire properly. Fuck me. So we'll talk about the immediate aftermath here. This whole thing is fucking crazy, right? Yeah, no, this is spiraled incredibly out of the film.
Starting point is 01:10:23 I think the official death toll, and this is still disputed, the official death toll, 327-ish people were killed, a significant fraction of which were children. 300 more people. I mean, so if you said there are 1,000 people in the store, you've got like a, what, a 1 in 3,000, three chance of dying. That's no good. Like... Well, hold on. Three hundred more were injured. Mostly nasty, horrible, awful burns. Okay, so one third, one third, dead outright. One third horrible, life-changing injuries. One-third, like, obviously not fine, but, like, physically.
Starting point is 01:11:07 They had, they had exact change. Fucked, fucked, fucked, fucked, fucked, buck, fuck. Yeah. The result of this... This is why you have to have to have. the loyalty cards. Yeah. 717-867-35309. I'll stop fucking talking to me. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:23 The result of this is, you know, as they're setting up makeshift morgues across the street, you know, they're doing triage and stuff like that. They don't have enough ambulances for all the people. They're carrying people out and, like, patrol cars and in the back of pickup trucks and stuff. When they get to the hospital, the fucking entire Paraguayan health system collapses.
Starting point is 01:11:42 I mean, fair enough, to be honest. They were not equipped for a mass casualty incident like this. It was completely outside the capabilities. You know, you did have some luck there. Lots of international aid flowed in very quickly from the United States, from Europe, from other South American countries. And of course, Cuba, you know. Of course.
Starting point is 01:12:08 Thank you. Thank you to the Cuban Revolution. Yeah. Yeah. Once again, like, drop of a hat, someone has stubbed their toe in Madagascar, thousand Cuban doctors have landed in order to construct a new hospital. That's the problem with the the blockade is that I stub my toe pretty badly two days ago and there were no Cuban doctors for me. Yeah, we got to amputate, bud.
Starting point is 01:12:30 Well, this is, this is, again, like Rubio was trying to sort of starve Cuba because he fears their excellence. The sort of Cuban doctor's superpower is kind of real. Yeah, yeah, that's true. To our episode on Cuba with Noah. And so, you know, this is just another picture of the rescue. This is the glass block wall. You can see, you know, people trying to, the firefighters trying to make their way in. You know, people managed to go in there.
Starting point is 01:12:55 You know, the whole, the whole rescue operation here had to be very improvised. I do believe professional firefighters actually came in from across the border from Argentina, you know, got held up in customs and all that. But, you know, also a big chunk of the rescue effort is just people from the town, you know. Yeah, I mean, a sort of older model of firefighting, I guess. So we'll talk about, I mean, we'll talk about the cause of the disaster in a second, but we've got to talk about the court case afterwards, just because I think that's an interesting way of framing it. For once we have a disaster bad enough that everyone, even the legal system,
Starting point is 01:13:36 agrees that this is such a fucked up situation, someone has to go to prison. Everyone is incredibly fucking pissed off about this. You know, there's, there's, I mean, this is a small country, right? Like, big tragedy, small, like, jurisdiction. Small jurisdiction, whole neighborhood. Basically, everyone lost something. Right.
Starting point is 01:13:56 Something like 100 kids orphaned, you know, it, it's crazy. It's, it's hard to, like, put into words, like, but it's... Turbo evil, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's just... And it's, like, very relatable because not everyone's a fucking saturation diver, but almost everyone goes to the grocery store. Right.
Starting point is 01:14:13 Yes. So charges are. brought up against the owner of the chain, which is one Pio Pavia, his son, Victor Daniel Piva, the architect of the building, several municipal building inspectors, shareholders in the company, and one of the security guards who locked the doors, who just happened to be one of the ones who survived and was easily identifiable. Yeah, because he's not turned into, I don't know, overdone toast. Ash. Yeah. Ash is. to ashes, overdone toast to overdone toast, as I say.
Starting point is 01:14:49 And there's a real concerted effort to throw the book at these guys, charge them with actual real, honest to God, premeditated murder, and that trial fails miserably. God, come on, man. They have to hold it in, I said a fucking stadium there. It's actually more of like a high school gymnasium, right? I'll take it. Yeah, because there's so many people.
Starting point is 01:15:15 The judge concludes the best they can charge these guys with his manslaughter, all the families in attendance, pick their seats off the floor and rush the field, start throwing the chairs at the judges. Good. This is what we like to see. There's, there. Sometimes the mob is right.
Starting point is 01:15:35 Well, this also prevented the sentence from being read, right? Further hearings were not open to the public. Protests outside of those proceedings result in a huge, police beat down that injures 49 people and 60 people are arrested. Again, you can sort of make the case of like, it's crazy how you have like a full-time police for beating the shit out of people, but you have volunteer firefighters exclusively. Yeah, yeah, well, everyone wants... Although for all I know, the cops are also volunteers.
Starting point is 01:16:02 The volunteer police force. I just like beating people up. It's my favorite thing, did they? I don't even need to get paid for it. My full-time job is a social worker. No. Hey, hey. Hey, hey.
Starting point is 01:16:18 You come back here, motherfucker, you come back here. I have to go to band-dated de-escalation training in a couple weeks speaking of being a social worker. Well, the good thing is, if you were a part-time cop, you would also then get to go to, like, a mandatory escalation trading. They keep canceling. They keep yelling at me because I'm aggressive at the food pantry, if that's all right. Oscar Nissenor, Duarte Frutos, you got that.
Starting point is 01:16:48 Intervenes. He switches out the judges, which complicates further legal proceedings. Well, we also have to ask here, the elephant in the room, what in the damn hell happened? Oh, geez. All right, here's a delightfully crusty image.
Starting point is 01:17:04 Ooh. Yeah. I love pixels. Yeah, I know, right? It'd be nice if I could see more than five of them at a time, but that's fine. one of the vent hoods in the food court, right, had a vent duct, which had two, count them, two elbows in it.
Starting point is 01:17:19 Right. So the vent went from vertical to horizontal back to vertical. The second elbow sagged a little bit, which meant, and this is above the drop ceiling, so no one can see it. The whole system was very difficult to clean, so no one bothered doing it. No one paid it any mind. Over time, the vaporized oils and the soot and everything, most of it went out. the top. Some of it settled back down in that area where it sagged a little bit and that gradually accumulated into a puddle of what I'm going to call schmoo. Right. Thank you. Now one day there was a hot
Starting point is 01:17:56 spark or something or an ember that went up the vent hood, went around a corner and landed in the shmoo and the shmoo caught fire. And as the shmoo burned, it weakened the weld or whatever the ceiling was around the elbow. And so, it broke and it fell onto the drop ceiling, which meant that now this vent hood vented gases directly into the space between the ceiling and or between the roof and the drop ceiling. Oh no. Wait, so this wasn't the thing that just like started it immediately. This had been like going on for like a minute. It is unknown exactly how long this condition persisted. It could have been hours, but it also could have been weeks. This is, this is why you need your teens to like store
Starting point is 01:18:40 their drugs and snacks in the drop ceiling. It's not performing an essential inspection function. Like, hey, it smells funny up there and not from the stuff I putting up there. So, okay, I wrote down here something wrong. There were smoke detectors in the building. There was a fire suppression system even. Nothing above the drop ceiling, though, right? If there were a smoke detector up there,
Starting point is 01:19:04 that would easily give an adequate warning to catch this problem before it became a real problem, right? Yeah, the smoke alarm goes off and the manager gets to go, hey, lock all the doors way earlier. Yeah, exactly. And then everyone can check out hopefully, I mean, assuming that anyone can figure out, you know, what is partially by the bunch or by the ounce. It's not going to matter about 10 seconds.
Starting point is 01:19:31 So it's unclear if it was immediately a source of ignition or if, you know, maybe another spark came up. But over time, this entire area is filling up with gases. You still have the hot schmoo on the ceiling. That sort of causes, you know, the schmoo starts smoldering again. It also causes the drop ceiling panels to start smoldering. There's more and more, more horrible, flammable gases building up over time. Again, this could have been hours.
Starting point is 01:20:02 It could have been weeks. We don't know. One of the tiles weakens enough to give way. There's a huge rush of oxygen into the, the space, foam, flash over. Yeah. Another factor at work here. And everybody just melt.
Starting point is 01:20:17 Yeah. Bad. Oh, no, they don't have time to melt. They just get reduced to ash. Oh. Yeah. Another factor at work here is there was no extractor fan, like one of these very common ones you see everywhere.
Starting point is 01:20:29 These are, they're wind driven. They're very clever. They just spin around from the wind. They extract the fumes from confined space is real good. Anyway, I don't think that would have stopped the disaster. It certainly would have delayed it a bit. So other factors were like the roof coating and stuff like that. But this is the big one.
Starting point is 01:20:49 The big one here is the elbow, the lack of cleaning, and a fact that it's sagged just a bit. Just a little. And the kind of psychological barrier of like, plus, you know, directly visual barrier of drop ceiling. Yes. Of like out of sight, out of mind could be on fire. To be fair.
Starting point is 01:21:06 The process does not sag a little. Yes. Well, exactly, yeah. Especially at our age. We have our bid 30s. This is so embarrassing. Yeah. So they do the damn trial again.
Starting point is 01:21:18 And, you know, for people who listen to this podcast, this is unusual. It doesn't mean shit, bud. This is unusual. Ladies and gentlemen, they got them. Woo! This is the work, sort of. This is copied directly
Starting point is 01:21:34 from Spanish language, Wikipedia, but translated. I apologize, everyone. Juan Pio Piva, the owner, got 12 years in prison for intentional homicide in the eventual degree. I don't know what that means. Exposure people are dangerous. Yeah, first,
Starting point is 01:21:50 second, third, and then eventual. You know, it's like somebody's going to get killed off of this. Victor Daniel Piva, his son and co-owner, got 10 years. Daniel Arraso, who was the guard, who was readily identified and also the guy who fired off the guns.
Starting point is 01:22:05 five years in prison for intentional homicide in the eventual degree, whatever that means. That doesn't seem very eventual if you're choosing at people, but, you know, whatever. I'm not a Paraguayan life or even a non-Paraguayan lawyer. I may be a simple country, Paraguayan law. Humberto Cassia, Cassia, who was a shareholder in the business, got two years and six months for exposing people to dangerous workplaces. And Bernando Ismachowice, who is the architect, got two years in prison
Starting point is 01:22:44 for dangerous activities due to construction defects. I mean, fair enough, honestly. Like, I'm glad someone actually went to prison for this shit. They also sent three building code officers to prison for a year and six months. Good. Yeah. It's very rare on this podcast
Starting point is 01:23:03 that anyone has actually. punished for this sort of thing. It's good to see it, you know, happen for once. Yeah, and all it took was them doing Grocery 9-11. Doing something so like, this is off-scale bad.
Starting point is 01:23:19 Like this may be like one of the worst ones we've ever done. This is the worst. This is one of the worst things they ever happen. To anyone, let alone to Paraguay. It's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy that like every grocery store could do
Starting point is 01:23:33 this and the only reason that it doesn't is you don't you don't have an elbow in the uh in in in the yeah in the vent it was there for for once of a nail you know you don't get uh turned into ashes instantly yeah um the families didn't like this they wanted longer sentences some of them threatened to take justice into their own hands no one follows through on that um all these people are actually let out fairly early on parole because you know white collar crime of course yeah that man's collar is clearly blue Yeah, that's true. Victor Daniel gets killed by the novel coronavirus.
Starting point is 01:24:10 Juan P.O. Piva died recently of complications due to diabetes. The site of the star is now memorial to the victims of the disaster. What did we learn? We got to kill these fucking people. You shouldn't be killed going to the grocery store. Yes. Because the grocery store is a great place to go. The grocery store is a nice place to go.
Starting point is 01:24:31 Yeah, I would like to relax. Yeah, I would like to relax. of the grocery store and buy, I don't know, 25 habaneros, which I'm going to use to torture myself later. Go swore for you peppers, baby. And so the role of the role of the state is to make sure that the grocery store can't kill you,
Starting point is 01:24:51 or one of the many. Yes. Clean your fucking kitchen vents. Yep. And I suppose, yeah, the Paraguay injustice system actually sends people to prison who deserve it. Apparently.
Starting point is 01:25:06 Yeah. Greatest country in the world. Yeah. Greatest country in the world, Paraguay. Yeah. I'm willing to incorporate that into my belief system. Yeah. The only one of the best ever to do it.
Starting point is 01:25:18 And if your kitchen vents to the outside, clean the vent every once in a while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even if it's turned into a sort of Microsoft Pipe's screen saver up there, you still got to do it. Get the schmoo out. You don't want you. Get some teens to like smoke weed in the drop ceiling.
Starting point is 01:25:34 Yeah. You don't even have to do it. do it yourself. You could hire someone to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Well. And as always, asbestos vape. Yes. Yeah. Big brick of asbestos. You never know you're going to need it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:47 This is my emotional comfort bag of a brick of asbestos. Well, we have a segment on this podcast called Safety Third. Burn it. Burner. Shake feet with danger. Oh, I don't like that. I swear to God, I'm going to get the
Starting point is 01:26:03 fucking mix of. set up. So has a foot fetish. Do I? No, absolutely not. You hate feet, as far as I know. No, I don't hate feet. I don't have any strong emotional attachment to feet.
Starting point is 01:26:16 This is the kind of thing that we shouldn't be giving out on the free feed. They need to pay $2 a month to learn these kinds of things about us. We've disclosed in free episodes what we're into. Like, that's not a secret. Right, but we haven't made stuff up about each other. Ah, well, that's un-actional. No, we haven't started lying. I don't know that I'm like, it's ambiguous, you know?
Starting point is 01:26:37 All right, shake feet with danger. Is it, is it, is it, is it, is it prima facie to accuse someone of having a foot fat? It fucking should be probably, but I also, I, listen, I, I, I will contact my lawyer dad. Well, I think it's also Ross's lawyer. I guess the question is, what does it, like, does it harm you, like, reputationally if people believe you to have a foot fetish, right? No, I wouldn't think so, right? Like, are people less likely to sort of, no, because, with our Twitter followers, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:27:04 not. I think I think generally our social circle is pretty open to, pretty open to all sorts of weird shit. All sorts of weird shit. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, this does not, this does not harm me reputational. I'm just like, well, where did that come from? I just wanted to annoy you.
Starting point is 01:27:24 I have, I have a fetish anecdote. And this is, I promised to God, this is appropriate. Right. So it's kind of conceptually interesting to me the concept of being a foot fetish person because they, it seems, have an entirely orthogonal sexuality, right? Where it's not really about like the hotness of the whole person. It's just about the feat. And so somebody told me that Brie Larson, we know Brie Larson, actor, right?
Starting point is 01:27:52 Very attractive woman is she's ugly to foot fetishists. And I went and I looked. She has a wiki feet page, and you know what? On the numbers, I'm afraid to say, Brie Larson is like clapped to them. She's washed. And I remember distinctly reading one comment from somebody who was like, yeah, she's a very attractive woman, but it looks like she fucking kicks telegraph poles all day for a living. And since I found this out, I have a new axis of being worried that I'm unattractive.
Starting point is 01:28:30 attractive in, but I don't, I respect deeply that they have their own kind of parallel structure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, totally. But like, can you imagine how bad it would hurt if you were like indulging someone's foot fetish, right? Like, sure, I'll go the extra mile and do this for you. And they're like, okay, sure, but like your feet away, right. Disgusting. Yeah, yeah, bad. You don't come back from that.
Starting point is 01:28:56 Go get up, go get a pedicure every once in a while, you know? There's all kinds of like dead cake-down skin on there, you know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Safety third. Safety third. Please God, yes. Get that athlete's foot checked out.
Starting point is 01:29:17 Anyway. Hello, Justin, Liam, November, and Associates. We'll take it. Activate Windows counts. Yeah. I'm writing to tell the story of how I ended up hiding three horses in the woods in the middle of a thunderstorm. Robert Eggers' ass story. Okay, go on.
Starting point is 01:29:40 I'm excited to see the werewolf. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some 10 years ago, after my first year of college, I obtained employment at a privately owned summer camp, deep in the woods of North Florida. Oh, no. This summer was filled with so many labor law violations and general threats to health and safe. that I need to mention several of them. Instead of having staff training, we spent the first week living in one summer camp while attempting to bring another one where the actual camp would be occurring to an
Starting point is 01:30:11 occupiable state. During this time, number A. The plumbing to the bathrooms was repaired, unpermitted by friends of the camp owner, in exchange for cave diving rights to the natural spring on the property. To conceal this from inspectors, us counselors were ordered to. to march back and forth over the freshly buried pipes in the rain. Brother, what? Like the fucking, like the great escape?
Starting point is 01:30:36 What? Yeah, we're trying to get the submarine unstuck. What are we doing here? Number B, while cleaning vinyl mattresses, someone decided to mix two unlabeled, almost empty bottles of spray cleaner. Oh, I've done that. Chlorine gas ensued.
Starting point is 01:30:54 Fortunately, we were outside. So we're marching back and forth in the rain. I'd be gassed last time. This is... I was once... This is very west and front. I was once helping Roz clean our old apartment. And I said, do we have any bleach?
Starting point is 01:31:07 And Roz goes verbatim sure do. Keep it right next to the... The ammonia. It just needs a quick way out. Number C, the cabin's bunk spacing didn't comply with modern sneeze gap requirements. So we hid half of the mattresses during inspection. to pretend we weren't using all of them. Oh, didn't Alpha do that, or was it Lancia that did that,
Starting point is 01:31:34 and just lied about how many cars they had for... Yes, it was Lancia, I believe. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, that's for our Group B bonus. Did we do a Group B bonus episode? Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. It was great.
Starting point is 01:31:48 Yeah, we got to do another motorsport one. Oh, yeah. Number D, we never had enough cars to move the staff around. Thus, standard operating procedures involved at least four people in the back seat and one or two in the trunk. Oh, it's like the minivan, two in the front and five of the back. Yeah. Number E.
Starting point is 01:32:06 Thank you. Number E, the kitchen did not pass inspection. The first two weeks of camp were fueled by fast food takeout, peanut butter, sandwiches, and cereal. Oh, yeah. I don't think the kitchen... The old Donald Trump. Yeah. I don't think the kitchen ever actually passed inspection.
Starting point is 01:32:23 We just started using it anyway at some point. Been there. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. The staffing decisions were also questionable. Oh, hold on. I just accidentally scrolled up to the top. It's okay.
Starting point is 01:32:34 Take your time. Nothing matters anymore. That's true. The director of maintenance was a 14-year-old boy. What? Whose responsibilities involved using the ride-on mower, hauling garbage to the dump in a pickup truck, and setting off illegal fireworks on the 4th of July.
Starting point is 01:32:55 The more north you go, the more south it gets. Kind of charming, especially if he had business cards. You know, that's a kid who's going places. Number B, the camp nurse studied Russian literature, did not have a medication. No, that's terrifying. I'm more scared of that than the 14-year-old maintenance director. Just like, fucking, yeah, sure, I can treat you for whatever. Like, bugbytes, cool.
Starting point is 01:33:23 Have you read Anna Karenna? I think I think I know something. from war and peace about this one. The camp nurse studied Russian literature did not have a medication dispensing certification and was selected for the job on the basis of having taken a single first aid course. Enough.
Starting point is 01:33:44 Nurse Ruskelnikov. The lifeguard, number C, the lifeguard, a recent high school graduate took it upon herself to remove alligators from the swimming area by jumping out of a canoe and tackling them. And you say herself. Okay, interesting. I think women are icons.
Starting point is 01:34:03 You want to, you know, you want to watch a submarine movie? Yeah. Number D, trail clearing was You want to fuck to Crimson Tide, that's what I'm asking. General quarters, general quarters. Number
Starting point is 01:34:27 D. Trail clearing was done by 14 and 15 year old counselors in training, one of whom nearly cut her thumb off with a machete. I was a counselor training at the JCC in York, Pennsylvania. It was my first job. This is an incredible novel in the making, I think. Can we auction these, can we option these rights? Well, there's your problem pictures. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:48 Number E, there was also a reality TV film crew living at the camp who often tried to get staff and campers to do things like, eat Carolina Reapers or reenact emotional moments on camera. I don't think that show ever made it to air. I hope not. For your sake, I hope not. Just in the background of a long shot of 14-year-old boy chewing a Carolina Reaper and falling off a right-on-law.
Starting point is 01:35:19 I got assigned to Barnstaff. This meant that as part of a team of three. I tried to keep the camp's 15 horses, one cow and nine miniature donkeys from dying. Okay, this is Russian literature. I also tried to keep the campers from dying while attempting to ride any horses that were tame and healthy enough to tolerate it
Starting point is 01:35:42 on any given week three to seven of them. Some unique features of this position included. Damn, there's a lot of lists on here. Number A, counselors were not allowed to wear helmets while riding, as we only had enough for the campers. The man in front of you loses his helmet. Number B, we were required to leave our phones in the main office at all times,
Starting point is 01:36:06 meaning that in an emergency, someone would have to walk half a mile to the office to call for help. That's what the horses for, surely, unless there's three to seven of them. I can throw you. I have three or seven horses. I'm not sure which. This brings me to the titular Hiding Horses in the Woods Incident. our horseback director age 20 the oldest guy on on campus by far the old senior yeah the old man
Starting point is 01:36:35 our horseback director taking a gentleman's quarter oh wait old woman she was constantly being harassed by her parents they got a police escort to come to camp and take back her truck and her personal horse what horse drama is crazy like that's just legitimately true yeah it's you know I don't know. They're beautiful animals. Anyway, very dumb. They are.
Starting point is 01:37:02 Yes. Meanwhile, rather than running the barn, she taught ballroom dance to the campers and gave the counselor stick and poke tattoos using India ink and sewing needles from Walmart. Look at that nice horse. I see.
Starting point is 01:37:16 Yeah, it's a lovely horse. It's surprisingly well down, I have to say. This is a kind of stress nightmare that you're walking you through here. Several weeks in the horseback... Like, this is, you are legally entitled to veterans benefits, right? Because some of this, some of this background shit, right? Like, just like watching a 19-year-old try to fucking slide tackle and allegation it
Starting point is 01:37:43 is something that you would only otherwise find in, like, the more jarhead end of the military. Several weeks in, the horseback director's parents escalated by reporting the can. to county animal control and to the local news for animal abuse and being a cult. Sure. Were they right? With a few minutes notice, I was... Is my question. With a few minutes notice, I was given the task of hiding three elderly neglected
Starting point is 01:38:16 during the off-season horses. It's kind of sounding like they were. Yeah, I think there may have been some stuff going on. Well, no, there's a happy ending for the horses. Oh, thank God. Yeah. This meant leading them into the woods by myself, somehow keeping a hold of three lead ropes while maneuvering down a narrow trail. It being Florida in the summer, a thunderstorm soon developed.
Starting point is 01:38:41 Horses do not like thunderstorms. And I still didn't have my phone with me to call for backup. I spent about an hour soaked to the skin, trying to keep the horses from running away or getting tangled in each other's lead ropes. Eventually, as the lightning got alarmingly close, I gave up on this morally dubious mission and returned to the barn. The local ABC News affiliate was there, but had decided not to film due to the weather, and Animal Control hadn't bothered to show up.
Starting point is 01:39:11 Florida moment. Yeah. Somehow no one died or was permanently maimed. At the end of the summer, all the horses were adopted out to better homes. Yay. The camp ran out of money, and I later sued the owner in small. claims court to get my last four weeks pay. When I went by his house to pick up the money in cash
Starting point is 01:39:30 since his accounts had been frozen for other business crimes, he was attempting to host summer camp. He was attempting to host summer camp out of his living room. Can't do that, man. That's the plot of daddy daycare and nothing good happens in that. The horseback director eventually escaped from her parents and I changed my major to animal welfare. All the best from A. I feel like I have just been I feel like I've just stuck my head in a bucket while someone threw a bunch of Bluetooth speakers around the outside playing Ethel K. an American teenager at me. I... Magical country.
Starting point is 01:40:09 Thank you so much for rising in. I'm glad the horses are doing better. I'm glad the horseback director is doing okay. I want a sort of animal house ending epilogue for all of these where it's like... Yeah, and the one who was like tackling crocodiles died in Nazaree. No, no, no. You know, like... Alligator lady, uh, call me.
Starting point is 01:40:33 Did you want to watch DOS boot and fuck? Well, that was, that was safety third. We're not... Our next episode will be on Chernobyl. Does anyone have any commercials before we go? No, I don't think so. I think everyone has the stuff that we do. Like, listen, listen to the stuff.
Starting point is 01:40:57 Listen to the stuff. Listen to Gareth and I's new podcast. Trains Atlantic, where we just talk about trains. That's just, you know. Bonus episodes will happen soon. I promise. Every time I disappoint any one of you individually, I feel bitterly ashamed. Just trust me.
Starting point is 01:41:14 Horrible. We've all. We've all been going through it. That's real, actually. That's genuinely true. So, like, I just, I'm on it. Okay, that will be something. There will be slides.
Starting point is 01:41:25 There will be something. We will record a bonus episode or I will, you know, find other ways to atone my sin. Go out in a public square and hit yourself with a board while chanting in Latin. Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. All right. That was a podcast. Well, thank you so much for listening.
Starting point is 01:42:04 This is a podcast. This is good. All right. Bye, everyone. Bye, everybody.

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