Well There‘s Your Problem - Episode 89: Titanic (Part 2)

Episode Date: November 28, 2021

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Folks, it's part two of the Titanic episode. If you haven't listened to part one, you should probably go back and listen to that part of the episode. I'll put a link in the description. Anyway, this is the exciting conclusion to our Titanic episode. So, you know, by midnight, you know, even before Smith got the news that Titanic would sink, he ordered the lifeboats prepared and swung out. They would have to do a bunch of stuff to prepare the boats. Is this when he said women and children first? Not yet.

Okay, I think. But, you know, in order to prep the boats, they had to remove canvas covers. They had to untie a bunch of shit. They had to, you know, they take off these chains. They had to move these railings that were guarding the boats. They had to prepare the ropes. They had to, you know, they had to mess with the oars and the sails and stuff that were in the boats. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass.

And you're cold and you're scared, presumably. Yeah. And on top of that, they would have had to undo the chocks. They had to raise the boats a bit. They had to crank these davits with these big crank handles. And that's a slow process because there was a screw. And you can kind of see how they would work in that, in that bottom picture. And, you know, it's fortunate that this was a relatively slow sinking. Yeah.

A terrifying thought, Jesus Christ. And that's a, it's my belief and the belief of many others in the Titanic world that even if Titanic hadn't had, you know, if it had more life boats, it wouldn't have done any good because you got people into them. I mean, because they, they didn't really start taking, taking them off the ship until about an hour into the sinking. And they didn't even finish getting the last two boats off the ship before it went under. It, more boats would have probably just hindered them. That would have been slower.

My question is, is how much of that was just due to this sort of like thinking that like, oh, the ship is itself the lifeboat? I mean, it definitely, a lot of people, a lot of passengers saw Titanic as the safer bet. They didn't take it seriously that it was sinking or realizing until later. I don't want to get into like this rickety collapsible boat either. Like, yeah, it's real calm ocean. You know, you figure even so, man, probably not gonna, you know, the worst, the worst case scenario is they lower you into the ocean and then you're like, oh, ship didn't sink. All right, pull us back up.

This is why you would survive the Titanic. And I might not. One other thing about the boats is each of them had like a little hole in the bottom with a plug so they could drain, you know, if they were just sitting there on the deck and before they were lowered, they had to put the plugs in place. And in one or two cases, they forgot to and it was like, oh, crap, it's flooding. They had to rush to get the plug in. You know, it was around 12, 15 a.m. that the band started playing famously. The Titanic had eight musicians aboard, a five piece and three piece ensembles.

They play at various places around the ship, mainly like the reception room, which is essentially like, not a ballroom at all. Like Titanic didn't have a ballroom, but, you know, people gathered there before and after dinner. You know, they listened to concerts around 12, 15 to 12, 20 a.m. The band members began playing music. Minutes after that, they were spotted walking up the forward minutes before that. They were spotted walking up the forward grand staircase with their instruments. Do we know what they were playing, just like sort of happy music?

Mostly happy music. Remain calm, sweet and a minor. Yeah, even late, you know, even later on, it was like a very cheery music. You know, we don't know why they started playing. Maybe they were requested by the captain or purser to keep calm. We don't know. At first they may have played in the first class lounge or somewhere else. The myth has them standing out on the boat deck playing their music.

But I mean, it was cold out and dark and they would have had to retune their instruments. It's possible that they were playing on the top level of the grand staircase where the piano was. Bottom right picture. Unfortunately, they started playing a four four string ostinato and D minor, which every sailor knows means death. It's very funny that like sailors have a 50 billion like superstitions about what means death. And they're all right. Happens a lot.

00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:37,000 I could just write it off, but no, every time something goes wrong, they can always find some infraction of superstition. And it always makes sense. I'm always like, oh, yeah, that's why. You know, it's been argued that the band may have contributed to the lack of passengers being in boats, you know, they're lulled into a false sense of steering. But, you know, it's the, you know, if there was a panic that could have also been deadly. Yeah, sort of a series of bad choices. Next slide. Next slide.

Um, Next slide. By 12 20 a.m. The bow had sunk so low that the port holes, which used to be about 20, 20 feet above the water. We're now just submerging. Um, Getting into that like feedback loop of stuff that makes it sink faster. 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:30,000

00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,000 On Edeck forward, Seaman John Poindexter was in his quarters, putting his. Sure. Okay. He was in his quarters, putting his boots on when a wooden wall caved in and a wall of water flooded up three feet deep. No fucking thank you. He quickly escaped and went back on deck. Up to this point, Titanic had still had its two degree list port. But because of the collision, it suddenly, you know, it started enlisting to starboard by about five degrees. Um, this really ruins your squash game.

Um, you know, the port, you know, the list didn't last too long as the ship settled later in the sinking. It leveled off and then it went back to port at an even greater angle. Um, this is like that. Now this is, it's been argued that the port lists from the coal fire may have actually saved Titanic from capsizing. Like, you notice when ships sink, they tend to capsize. Like they just don't stay upright. You know, once your buoyancy is lost, your stability is going crap. Apparently, I think, I'm not, don't quote me on this, but I think in some modern simulations, Titanic kept capsizing as it flooded.

But when they factored in the port list, it didn't capsize. We'll never, we'll never know for sure. But, you know, it is possible that maybe that port list did give Titanic more time, but who knows? Um, at 1225, you know, a meeting was held between Thomas Andrews and Smith. Um, you know, Andrews was seen rushing up the grand staircase with a look of terror on his face around 1222. And, you know, at that point he was heading to Smith. Yeah. Um, he had just finished his damage inspection.

It's fucked. Yeah, it's fucked. And he basically told Smith that, maybe not those words, but, you know, five of them. With just the five compartments flooded, water was to spill over the bulkheads further back. And we all seen the movie. Yeah, the boat sinks. Yeah. I mean, if we're going to be reductive about it, it's one slide.

Spoiler alert. Much like the movie, we have taken our sweet time getting there. Yes. Kevin Costner has to like swim through some like underwater passages in order to rescue Whitney Houston. You've seen the movie. Yeah. So, uh, you know, Andrews Calculator that Titanic had an hour, maybe an hour and a half. Most, um, you know, Smith must have been shocked because again, they thought of ships as lifeboats.

Unsinkable. Or at the very least it would take many hours to sink and enough time for other ships to get there. Not this, not this time. Immediately after he found out that the ship was going down for sure from Andrews, Smith gave the order to put women and children into the lifeboats. Um, which was apparently the order was apparently overheard by the aforementioned John Poindexter as he's came about back up on deck. But crucially, we got a bit of a game of telephone between the officers here because Lighthola, the biggest dickhead in the world, but also kind of maybe, you know, surprisingly competent. Here's women and children first as women and children only. Yeah.

And that's, so yeah, that's the two directions it went in. Like either, you know, you were Lighthola and you were like, no men at all. 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:27,000 I will pull one of the pistols that, you know, officers carry for some fucking reason on a cruise ship in order to like encourage you back from the boats. 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:29,000 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,000 It's an ocean liner and a cruise ship.

00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:34,000 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:35,000 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Yeah, canceled. You sound, you sounded so wounded. I'm sorry. Very different ocean as cruise ship is like a big fat blob compared to this. The actual difference though is that ocean liners are literally they operate on the lines across the ocean or between different destinations. They'll pull people back and forth or as a cruise ship just goes around in circles for fun.

And today there's only one cruise, one ocean liner left and that's the Queen Mary too. So, yeah, you know, in Murdoch's case, he was like, yeah, men can get on, but only after like the nearby women and children on the boat first. For the most part. We also had a lot of like sort of self-selecting stuff for a lot of men just didn't get in the boats because they were trying to like save space for women and children who weren't there. Yeah, yeah, I mean, that was a very common thing. Like even if they were offered spaces in the boats, men were like, no, I'm not going to take the space at 1227. You know, and now knowing that the ship was doomed, you know, Smith immediately went to the Marconi suite to tell Jack Phillips and Harold Bride. To begin sending out the regulation call for help, you know, Phillips took over the wireless key and began tapping out CQD, CQD, CQD, MGY.

MGY was Titanic's radio identifier. And then crucially, his compatriot says, why don't you send that new distress signal because it might be your only chance. And so he hammers out SOS. Yeah, that happens sometime later, I think. What is CQD for? It's exactly the same thing. It's another pro sign for like, you know, help. But I don't know, I think they found SOS more distinguishable. Well, it's right here, my notes.

So CQD, you know, a lot of people assume it means come quickly distress, but actually CQ was a standard wireless code to get the attention of all stations in range while D meant distress. Therefore, it meant all stations distress. Hmm. You know, 1227, that's when the first CQD is sent out. They included the ship's position that was calculated by Smith, but this is off by 20 miles. Oops. You know, Cape Race immediately received the calls as did several of the ships. By 1237, 10 minutes later, Box Hall had done his own calculations of Titanic's position, which are a lot more accurate.

And they started sending that out, which was 41 degrees, 46 north, 50 degrees, 14 west. Yeah, at 12 at 1238 Phillips tapped out the message require immediate assistance. We have collision with iceberg sinking can hear nothing for noise of steam. Sounds hellish. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty bad. So, you know, the Carpathia answered the distress call and, you know, told Titanic she'd be able to get there in four hours, which is obviously well beyond Titanic's expected time to float.

Captain Rostrin of Carpathia, he immediately ordered the ship to steam full head as fast as she could go towards Titanic's position. He ordered the entire ship to get ready. He the whole crew just went to work doing what they could prepare. Meanwhile, back in Titanic chaos. Yeah, it's a pandemonium. Not yet. We're going to get there. Don't worry.

In about three hours. Slow moving disaster. Yes. That's the thing. That's why it's so famous because it just took so much time to play out that all this stuff happened. Hmm. Titanic is a story of its character driven. Like you can't really talk about the raw events without talking about the people.

Also, because I think it like harkens back to an earlier ideal of masculinity. One of like women and children first one of like going down with the shit things like that. Yeah. Like all shipwrecks are kind of morality tales to a certain extent. And this one is like one that would be used in a lot of like sort of like cultural phenomenon, including by the Nazis. Yep. Oh, yeah. But we'll get to that.

Oh, yeah. Hopefully in about four hours. Yeah. All right. I am so sorry, Liam. All right. So it's all good. Just in the event we actually go to four hours, I have to log off at four.

Yeah. Just leave. And if you need to go past four, I'm just telling you that I can. No rush rush. Oh God, I just saw my recording hit three hours. Yeah. Yeah, that'll happen. I think about the Titanic is it's a slow moving episode.

We've officially we've officially gone past the two hour 40 minute time that Titanic took the sink. We have more watertight bulkheads. Yes. So, you know, passengers on deck, you know, once the lifeboats were prepared and swung out, the crew got to work, you know, trying to get everyone to get the heck into these things. You know, in the lounge first class passenger Edith Rosenbaum was told by someone that Titanic is entirely unsinkable.

And then right after that, a deck officer came in and called out women and children will kindly proceed to the boat deck women and children only. This had to be light taller. Oh, yeah, it has to be. It's such a Martinette. Stewards all over stewards and stewardesses all over, you know, they went around banging out doors because again, no alarms. That's the only way you get people to know that something was happening.

You could you could still be asleep until like a wall of water just comes and drowns you, which is horrible. You know, passengers begin gathering on the boat deck, dressed warmly, some not so much. Andrews himself rushed to, you know, to and fro to assist passengers in getting ready to go up on deck. He encouraged several stewardesses to put on life belts. You know, I think it's safe to say that as chief designer, Titanic at that point, Andrews probably felt a personal responsibility to these people.

He also knew it was doomed like. Yeah. In third class, the evacuation was less good. Some passengers were literally chased out of the quarters by water. Some had no idea where to go. They went up or aft in the third class smoking room under the poop deck. Some passengers in the stern gathered in there when a group of quote, Italians arrived with their belongings and they were in quote, acting crazy, crying and jumping.

Okay. Okay. Between the between the language. Only Italian stuff. Yeah. They arrived Italian Lee. Yeah. They're all making gestures with their hands and pizza frappuccino.

Hey. That were canceled. Yeah. Between the language barrier and the common derision of Italians at the time where people perceived to be Italians, you know, they were openly mocked by the passengers and even the crew like that. Yeah. They even like forced them to take their life belts off when they refused.

You know, asserting that nothing was wrong. Um, fifth officer low was, you know, helping people get into lifeboats. You know, he had been asleep after the collision, even failing to wake up when Box Hall had tried to wake him. Uh, he woke up here in commotion in the officers quarters. He looked out his door and he just saw women in there wearing life belts like this is weird. So, you know, something was up. He got to work to, you know, so, you know, low later returned to his cabin to grab his

personal revolver. You know, he knew things are getting serious. So, you know, just in case. Meanwhile, you know, light taller was rushing around trying to get the boats prepared. You know, he asked for Smith permission to swing the boats out, which is granted. Then he asked Smith, hadn't we better get the women and children into the boats, sir? Yes. He said, so, you know, the Smith, you know, he said, yeah, put the women and children

into the boats and lower away below decks, you know, stewards had trouble getting many passengers to even believe anything. It's serious. It happened. Uh, you know, the ship was unsinkable. It's cold. Why? Why would you worry about it?

Hmm. You know, by 1230, they, you know, they, you know, they were well into loading boats or they starting to, you know, over and over as the night we're on, you know, people gradually, they started parting with their families and their husbands and, you know, and all that. But a lot of guys putting their wives in the boats and then just being like, yeah, don't worry about it. I'll be fine. And it's always debatable whether like how many of them like knew they were going to die,

but like at least some. Yeah. Well, I mean, like, you know, I distrust when she was offered a place in the boat, you know, she said, no, I will not be separated from my husband as we have lived. So will we die together? Yeah. They went back to their cabin and they died together. Yeah.

And Isidore, somebody had suggested that Isidore would should maybe get on the boat because he was old and he said, no, I do not wish any distinction in my favor, which is not granted to others. Supposedly anyway, you know, this is all recollections, survivors. Yeah. And of course, there's always this tendency to like burnish this stuff. You don't want to talk about, oh yeah, I said, do you want to get on the boat and the guy pissed himself?

But at the same time, it really does seem like there is some sort of nobility here, which is just the thing you see in all disasters. And that's something we don't really talk about much, I think. And maybe we should, is that like, you do sometimes really do see people at their best in these sort of situations. And as we saw in Bo Paul, like we've mentioned, the best and the worst. Absolutely. I want to be very clear that if this were happening to me, I would go full linebacker.

No women and children. They were famously like this. This is another myth because it got greatly exaggerated, but there were lots of cases of disguising like older boys or younger men as women or them disguising themselves, which is, which has been my long game the whole time. So that if I'm, if I'm ever on a sinking ship, I can get on the lifeboat. If you ever see, if you ever see me throwing women and children overboard, mind your business. You wind up in a sort of affirmative action situation with everyone.

We want, we want, we want people of marginalized genders to the boats. Yeah. PoC first, transgender people. Let me get a, oh my God. Indigenous people. I mean, I mean, you know, you could, you know, women and children float very well. So you can use them as a raft. I want black trans women first in the lifeboats.

That's right. That's right. A quick side note is that the Strausses actually didn't go back to their cabin. They stayed up on deck and grabbed some deck chairs. Still romantic though. Even, you know, so Titanic had this weird design difference with Olympic. Olympic had this, the ADEC Promenade was open all the way along. You kind of see in the top left photo here that, you know, you've got these smaller windows

and then further back it's more open. But so Titanic had these windows installed in a big screen on the forward end of the Promenade. The original intention was to lower the lifeboats down to ADEC and load them from there. That's a problem when you have glass windows in the way that can only be opened by a crank that you have to send a crew to find somewhere. Whoa. Sorry. I got really excited.

Yeah. So, you know, boat number four was lowered to ADEC when they realized that they needed to send a crew to get one of those keys for the windows. So boat four just hung there from most of the sinking. Embarrassing. On the starboard side forward, it was noted that the job of prepping the boats was going slowly and that there were very few officers that crew around. And the ones who were there seemed unfamiliar with the process of prepping the boats.

So, you know, by 1240, Lytall had decided to move to boat six, you know, forget four. And, you know, Murdoch on the other side was working on boat seven. He had a hard time getting people in a boat because they just didn't take the situation seriously, most of treating it as a kind of joke. Epic prank. Brackets goes wrong. You know, Stuart Henry Edges, you know, he was helping with boat seven when he noticed a millionaire Benjamin Guggenheim and his valet Victor Giulio.

They were dressed in her evening wear. And, you know, when Edges saw them, you know, he basically he asked, what's this for? And, you know, Guggenheim famously replied, we've dressed up in our best and are prepared to go down as gentlemen. By the way, create an art museum for me and put in a giant modernist building. Yes. Perhaps several. Hmm.

Guggenheim then told Edges, if anything should happen to me, tell my wife in New York that I've done my best in doing my duty. Then he walked off to help passengers into boat seven and five. At another point, Guggenheim stopped another steward apparently and told him to tell his wife that I played the game straight to the end that no woman was left on board this ship because Ben Guggenheim was a coward. Tell her that my last thoughts will be of her. One set of last words and then fucking leave it.

She's just going around dictating his like last thoughts to everybody. He's like. Listen, Ben Guggenheim loved his fucking wife. Okay. Trying to break into the the Marconi Marconi device room. Send off some last telegraphs. Tell them. Tell them as he's as he's going down lungs filling with water.

Tell them my shlong. It was my wife. Stop. Bearing in mind, those are just the people that survived. He could have went around to like 10 different people until he died. Just increase your odds. Yeah. One of these dumb assholes is going to make it.

Apparently Guggenheim lit a cigar after that. And he just walked back up the deck to help with boats. Well, shouting to everyone in reach about how much he loved his wife. Oops. I dropped my magnum condom for my monster dog. Listen. Tell anybody who survives Ben Guggenheim. Massive penis.

Oh, the madness has set in. Yeah. Yeah. This boat number five was being loaded. A man in a pajama robe at slippers began encouraging third officer Pittman to get the women and children into the boats as there was no time to lose. At first. No time to lose.

At first Pittman dismissed the man. And then he realized that it was likely J Bruce is may. Okay. Would you recognize your boss in a dressing gown? My boss is basically bras. So, yeah. Pittman went to the bridge to mention this to Smith and asked about lowering the boat. And Smith just said, go ahead, carry on.

Before 1 a.m. crew began preparing the aft starboard life boats to be launched. Quick aside is that the life boats on Titanic were divided into four groups. There was a group forward on the starboard. Left libertarian, left authoritarian, right authoritarian, right libertarian. Yes. The right libertarian boats only had kids in them. So. Oh, I lost my place.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, light taller was focusing and preparing the life boats six and eight in while it was helping load them. You know, life boat six as that was being loaded. Margaret Brown, Molly, you know, escorts a passenger named Bertha main to the boat and helps her get in. And Brown having not intended to get in herself begins to walk off, you know,

to see what's happening elsewhere. And then an officer grabs her and is like, you're going to just drops her in life boat. Patriarchy. I'm going to pick up this woman and place her in the life boat. You know, second officer light taller, you know, he continues the low boat six. He found it difficult to get, you know, like, like, like Murdoch to find passengers who were willing to board. They just thought Titanic was a safer bet.

Also, apparently light taller was, you know, light taller was short on deck crew because he had just sent several of them down to open the D deck shell doors in order to evacuate passengers from there. Yeah. No, those guys never seen again. Yeah. So, you know, you bottom right, you know, you see the open, the open door. Yeah.

Normally that would be used by a first class passengers to board via the reception room. Yeah. But hopefully you can get into a boat that's in the water or, you know, something like that. And yeah, he said he sent like a bunch of guys down. They just didn't come back. Right. Yeah.

Around 1245 a.m. He did that. Apparently he thought, yeah, I open the doors and maybe we can lower the boat part partially full and then and then get more people. Sure. Yeah. Light taller sent boats way now for Nichols and six other men to do that task. And, you know, as I was said, they were never seen again.

But they apparently did open the door. Does not get back. The crucial. Who knows. We're laid by Italians. Unfortunately. Now, of course, this raises the question, you know, it's a big hole. Would they let more water in and, you know, sink the ship faster?

Obviously it would have let water in. How much? It doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. Conclusion at this point. Yeah. It's just not much.

I mean, especially because water was pouring into other portholes and stuff by this point, like it's nothing. So you start launching boats. Yeah. Yeah. 1245, you know, around, you know, starting at 1245 lifeboat seven was the first to be launched out of a capacity of 65. There were 27 aboard.

Approximately. Oh, that's not efficient. Yeah. Lifeboat five was launched at 1255 a.m. 41 were aboard. So they're launching these like sort of like half full. Yeah. Yeah. In lifeboat five passengers get for taking it like a joke.

Well, yeah. Like that part of it is in like in the Kevin Costner movie, part of it is just like, oh, these sort of martin and officers firing guns in the air to push men back. But like some of it is just like these guys had the chance. They didn't want to take it because no one told them to. I cannot advocate enough for pushing women and children out of the way. Yeah. That one anti-feminist guy who just picked up Molly Brown and put her in the lifeboat

based actually based misogynist. So lowering of a boat five was actually stopped with the expectation that it would the loading of the boat was stopped with expectation that it would board after lowering. But of course it didn't happen from the shell doors. Okay. Yeah. So they were starting to be lowered. Oh, that was kind of the intention.

Like some of these boats were lowered without too many people with the intention of loading them later, but they just never returned. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, you know, as boat five was starting to be lowered, throwing through all brothers, you know, believing the problem was with the ship's machinery and that they might be blowing up, decided to jump into the boat, landing on first class passenger Annie Stangle and dislocating her ribs.

Too bad. Class war. You know, someone shouted throw that man out of the boat while one of the officers on the scene said, I will stop that. I will go down and get my gun. Why do they have guns? Never know what you're going to need it, Alice. I guess so.

You know, as the boat lowered more, you know, too much rope was let out on one side and it tipped dangerously to one side. It hung there for a moment and then it was leveled out. You know, before it could even continue, Third Officer Pittman blew his whistle to stop it because he asked him. He wasn't sure if the plug in the bottom of the boat was put in and then low shouted down. It's your own blooming business to see if the plug is in anyhow.

Asshole. It's very funny to me to imagine the conception of sort of like officership that allows you to go, yeah, no, maybe drown, but also not to say fucking. Lifeboat six was launched at 1255 a.m. 28 aboard out of 65 capacity. In addition to Margaret Brown aboard, others included quartermaster Robert Hitchens, who was at the wheel during the collision. Frederick Fleet, one of the lookouts by the Berg halfway through lowering. Hitchens yelled up to light taller to hold the boat as they needed an additional semen

on board help row. Major Arthur Pusion, a passenger and the yachtsman. He offered his assistance. 90 years old. Yeah, I don't know, but Smith, they all told him to go to the deck below, break a window and get in. He didn't want to do that. So light taller was like, if you see him in enough to go out on those falls and get down

into the boat, then you may go ahead. So he did. Well, he he fucking parkour down like Assassin's Creed. Yeah, he grabbed onto the lifeboat falls, the ropes and slid down. He was in his sixties when this happened, by the way. More dramatic than I am now, bro. Yeah. When boat six reached the water, Margaret Brown noticed water flowing into an open

porthole on D deck. Next slide. Oh, you're on that. Oh, you're on that slide already. So incidentally, they found Pugetian's wallet in 1987 on the wreck. It's like lost my wallet. So yeah, you know, the half empty boats, you know. It's, you know, perhaps the crew and officers are wary that the new lifeboats,

the David system, you know, was new. They maybe they didn't trust it to hold weights. Maybe some didn't seem that they may not have trusted the boats themselves to hold up. But, you know, as stated earlier, they probably were some of them at least were planning to load the boats later. But, you know, regardless of why the fact is many of the boats were half loaded or mostly mostly not fully loaded.

So, you know, it's the fact. So, you know, by 1245, you know, crewmen were ordered to open the watertight doors after the engine room because there was no flooding there and they wanted to run a suction pipe into the forward stoke holds. On F deck, Stuart Joseph Wheat was grabbing some personal items from his quarters. This was near the pool area, Turkish Bath. As he was going back up the grand staircase to E deck, he noticed a heavy flow of water coming down the stairs.

He made his way up the stairs through the water and he saw it coming in from the from a corridor. At this point, I would I would simply leave. Yeah. Yeah. There's nothing I need. There's nothing I need in my pool. It's down badly. Yeah.

Yeah. Like the water was coming in from the corridor and coming around the corner and down the stairs. Like there's got to be a frightening sight. Like you're like you're growing to grab your stuff and you come back and there's just water rushing down. Freezing cold. One of your degrees.

I think Kyle said no, thank you. And yeah, you know, so he went back up and he also checked Scotland Road at that time, which is the opposite corridor on the other side of the ship from that just a few feet away, but it was dry when he looked. So the ship must have had a pretty good starboard list at that point. In boiler rooms five, in boiler room five, the firemen were still trying to fight the flooding and draw the fires. Once the fires are out by 1255.

Most of the men left the stoke holds, but you know, leading firemen Barrett stayed behind to continue work in the boiler room. It was around this time that Barrett was ordered to lift a manhole plate in the stoke hold floor to grant access to some pump valves with the plate off in the room full of steam from the Dallas fires junior assistant second engineer to mouthful shepherd fell into the hole as he was hurrying through the room and broke his leg. Oh, come on, man. Damage control is a hazardous business.

Yes. You know, shepherd was lifted out and carried to a nearby pump room. You didn't make it. Obviously. I hate to see it. While all of this was happening, water was making its way along edek above the boiler room of five. And you know, soon it would find its way down in there.

That's fucked. You're in the fucking water side compartment and it starts like leaking from above you. This is gone poorly. Yeah. You're like, I was told water tight as your lungs fill with fluid. It's easy. Just swim up as the water cascades in from above. Yeah.

Yeah. And like pumping it kept the boiler room five free of water up to this point. It was like it was all in the coal bunker and the one that was on fire and that's fucked. That's like that's like the fucking like sailors who survived Pearl Harbor sinkings and then like died in the hole and like watertight compartments, you know. Yeah. But yeah, I have a lot of nightmares about shipwrecks and different ways to die in shipwrecks. You know, Titanic had a box of distress or signaling rockets aboard and no fewer than 48

as well as a fitting for launching them from the bridge. So at 1247 a.m., the first distress rocket is fired by 4th Officer Boxall. Over the course of the night after this point, you know, approximately eight or so rockets are fired, maybe 12, roughly every five minutes with the last rocket being fired at 1.50 a.m. half hour before the ship's final plunge. How visible are they supposed to be anyway? Quite visible. They were seen by Californian.

You know, there's been debate over the years about the color of the rockets and all that, but they were white from all accounts, I think. But some think they should have been red. But according to regulations at the time, distress rockets is defined as rockets of any color or description fired one at a time at short intervals. That's true of like most distress signals. Like it's something that is like visible that you repeat at like consistent point. Like you can use gunshots as a distress signal in the same way.

Yeah, absolutely. Like put two and two together, man. Yeah. Although on the Californian, they apparently didn't know this because there's some confusion about what the rockets meant. Maybe it's the 4th of July out there. That's about to say. So this brings us to the Californian.

Earlier, a light of another ship had been noticed on the horizon from the cal... from Titanic by nearly one a.m. 4th officer Box Hall was curious enough about the mystery ship that he decided to fire distress rockets to get its attention. So that's why I started firing. Like a side note, I think there was an interaction. I didn't put these in my notes, but I think there was an interaction between one of Titanic's wireless operators and the one on the Californian where the Titanic operator basically told him

to shut up because he was working Cape Race. You know, at first glance, this seems like, you know, God, he just insulted the Californian operator and so they were screwed. But as far as I know, the two operators knew each other, so they probably wouldn't have benefited. Shout out to those Marconi guys who stayed in their wireless room sending messages until the last second. Oh yeah, and we're getting to that too.

Well, in about eight hours. I am at this point drinking. Yeah, this is this is driven me to drink. So we are longest episode or longest regular of any length was beer, which ran to three hours and 32 minutes. Now. Zen caster three hours 20. We are absolutely going to break the record.

Where are we on the slides? We are at number 29 out of 45. I made an exact decision 30 out of 45. Well, this may be this may be a two-parter. I know people hate two passes, but it may have to be. I'm going to split this because otherwise I'm not going to be able to edit it. Yeah. Well, let's get.

Let's get it. Let's get ourselves ahead. Boat sink. Boat sink. Shake hands with danger. I remember. I remember the Gulf State episode when I thought, oh, how could it get any worse? So what happened with the Californian?

Shut up, Ross. I'm trying to move the episode along here. I'm going to talk about how slow it is. All right. So, yeah, you know, that that mysterious light on the horizon would turn out to be the Leyland Line Steamship, California. So a combination of the distress rockets and morselamps that were on Titanic's bridge were used to try to signal Californian, but there was never an answer.

I've always wanted to use one of those fucking Aldous lamps. The fucking like shutter thing. Yeah, those are cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The bridge telegraph. Cool things and chips.

Oh, yeah. Abort the Californian. The ship had stopped for the night in the middle of an ice field. Captain Stanley Lord had decided to test the, you know, to not test the birds during the night. You know, it's dark and they don't want to do that. So, you know, Californian's crew reported seeing another liner approach on the horizon stop, then shut off some of its lights.

The crew also reported seeing rockets flashed rocket flashes later on with one looking. Yeah, we chose not to investigate that because we're stupid. And pricks. Captain Lord had by that point been taking a nap in the chart room in his uniform. Yeah. He was told about the ship and the rockets.

Lord ordered the men to attempt to contact via their own more slamps, but he didn't mention waking up their own wireless operator to try to contact them. The wireless operator was obviously asleep. So yeah, they tried contacting via the more slamp, but there was never a reply and Titanic didn't see them. And, you know, this harkens back to the, to the possible mirage. It's possible that it obscured that. I do.

I do like the caption on that story and picture of how wireless wake to the midnight sea. That's nice. As the night we're on, you know, Californian's crew commented on how strange the mystery liner looked. You know, one commented that the ship looked queer with one end. We are queering the Titanic today. That's right.

That's right. Soon after they reported the ship had vanished off the horizon. Yo, the ship gay as hell. We are going to. Do you ever notice how all the ships that sink are queer coded? So how far away was the Californian? Could they have responded in a more prompt fashion? Um, I actually don't shoot.

I didn't put that in my notes. Let's say yes and move on. Yeah. No, that's complicated, actually. Let's say it's complicated and move on. Yeah. All right. Yeah.

So they saw the rockets and by four a.m. Lord and his chief officer discussed the events and, you know, they finally woke up the operator. It was like, oh, this has been happening. So finally Californian set sail for the scene of the sinking. It was way too late. Idiots. Yep.

By his own hubris. Apparently after Californian arrived in Boston, the crew initially does not denied having seen anything. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah. Even though I was a kid, I was always under the impression that the crew in California were just basically dicks.

I don't know how accurate that is, but I feel I've 10 year old Liam feels pretty fucking vindicated at the moment. During the enquiries, the Californians crew were questioned and it was concluded that if Californian had answered the distress call, she would have made it in time to rescue passengers. Lord eventually lost his job with the Layland line.

They'll found other jobs with other lines. Oh, like a corrupt cop. The system. He's an unpaid suspension. I mean, he can't as a silly place. All blame on Lord, you know, he had a whole, he had a whole ass crew who just like didn't do anything. You know, some have tried to defend Californian's actions,

claiming there were other nearby ships in Titanic's vicinity. And, you know, it's like, well, you know, why not just try to defend Hitler too? Yeah. Most notably the makers of the film Titanic, not the Kevin Costner one. And yeah, and they tried to break, they tried to, you know, do this by being like,

well, the timings don't match up, but, you know, when you independently compare the timings of the different sightings. When you see a rocket every five minutes precisely and you go, oh, that's weird. And then you just go to bed. Fuck you. Yeah.

Rockets of all things should be clear. Your role in this movie is the plane that like flies over in a castaway movie and the guy thinks it's seen him, but it hasn't. There are some caveats to the Californian thing though. No, if she had set sail towards Titanic, the moment the first distress to rocket fired, or within a few minutes, you know,

would she have made it in time to save people? One, there was a lot of ice. Californian might not have been able to go full speed. Even if it did, it wasn't a very fast ship. You know, by the time, you know, two, by the time Californian might have gotten the Titanic, it's likely Titanic would have already been gone with all of her passengers now in the water.

Even if it hadn't yet disappeared, California would have gotten there, you know, relatively late and, you know, basically when things had already gone completely to shit. And California only had lifeboats for 218 people. So, like, it's, I think it's safe to say that even if Californian got there earlier under the best of circumstances,

a lot of people would have died still. Gotcha. Ultimately, you know, it's up for debate, but the fact is, you know, we'll never know because Californian didn't even try. Yeah. You know, just before 1 a.m., Jack Phillips is still tapping out CQD.

And jokingly, Harold Bride suggested using the SOS instead of CQD as it's the new call, and it may be your last chance to send it, as Ellis said. And, you know, the steward laughed from Phillips, but, you know, why not? So, he tapped it out. Like a... That's what I'm doing right now, actually.

It's cool that I have this sensor key that I can inadvertently use as a Morse key. Proud of you. Oh, that's neat. You know, in various places around the ship at around 1 a.m. or so. You know, in forward quarters, Quartermaster Bride was asleep.

He got woken up in the news that the ship was going down at the same time. He realized he was late and relieving Quartermaster George Rowell. Oh, shit, I'm late for work, and he runs down the corridor. Like, it's flooding around his ankles. Yeah, and he's got, like, a piece of toast in his mouth.

Something wet toilet paper dragon from one foot. He immediately got up to do his duties. When he got to the docking bridge after Rowell was, they wondered what to do. When the first rocket was launched, Rowell noticed that boat seven was in the water. Apparently Rowell didn't realize that they were launching lifeboats or that much of anything was happening at this point.

Oh, man, that would be a rude awakening. Jesus Christ. Like, asshole, guess what happened while you were asleep? Boy, I'm late for work, and the work is sinking. And in row, he had been awake the whole time. He was on the docking bridge since the collision. He was just standing there the whole time. All this was happening.

That was a man. That's fantastic. Stay at your post. After Rowell saw this, he called the bridge because there was a phone on the docking bridge, and Boxall answered, and Rowell reported seeing the lifeboat. He just didn't know there were any orders to lower boats. So Boxall was like, all right.

He ordered Rowell and Bright to take the rocket detonators from the stern and bring them to the bridge. She did. And so effectively, that ended Rowell's watch. Second-class passenger Lawrence Beasley, by this time had been watching events unfold on deck, and he noticed the people partying and the couples and more people going to boats and all that.

He started realizing that the situation is more serious. I mean, this is entirely the thought of the officers, right? Like, if you're trying to evacuate people and people aren't taking it seriously, then it comes with the fucking thing on your sleeve that you have to fucking tell them. Right. I think at some point you shoot one of the passengers.

To establish discipline, yes. Specifically, you shoot the richest person in front of you, and then everybody else gets in the boat. The passenger Jack there happened by Thomas Andrews who told him that Titanic had not much over an hour to live. You shoot Ben Guggenheim. You're like, I think I just inaugurated an art gallery. In the first-class smoking room,

a group of four men, including Major Archibald Butt, were lounging at a table. Oh, Archibald by a friend. Major Butt, once again. Colonel Archibald Gracie headed down to a state room at Sea Deck to grab blankets. White men love to be named Archibald. How do you get to Gracie Hall?

Die on the Titanic. Finding his cabin lot, Gracie was told by a steward that it was because of fear of looting. He was given blankets by another cabin. The excuses never change. Wait, so you're telling me there's still loot down there? I can get some sweet ass blankets? Oh, yeah.

Hey, they tried that with Concordia, so. Might loot the Titanic. Hey, no one's out there. At 1 a.m. in second class, passengers are still crowding up the stairwell. The single elevator was not operating as, you know, the ones forward weren't either in first-class. But the firing of the last few rockets,

passengers began realizing things may be more serious, though many still believe they were safe. Still. Jack off. The thing is, a lot of British people, and American aristocracy at this time, which was a different variance of British people, were very stupid.

Yes. Were? But like were in an even more way. Listen, I've had a couple of drinks for this. I'm about to get a third one. Yeah. Yeah, probably, yeah. You know, I went around 1 a.m. by Lifeboat number one,

Sir Cosmo and Lady Duff Gordon, along with their secretary, Laura Frigatelli. We're standing around waiting. Imagine being named Cosmo and Duff. Yeah. Duff. I've never seen this episode of The Fairly Odd Parents. You know, the ladies had not wanted the part with the Cosmo.

And what else is new? Cosmo. Once boat three was eventually lowered, the area around them mostly cleared of people, figuring nobody else was getting in. Sir Cosmo asked the officer loading the boat if they could get in. Please do, we said.

So they all got in. That's so polite. Like once again, you're just like, oh, please do, please to make my acquaintance with a lifeboat. And you're just like, dude, fucking, it's an emergency situation. You can't like, oh, may I introduce Lifeboat 16. Oh, yes, you bloody well may.

I say it's your bloody responsibility to ensure that the hole in the bottom of the boat is plugged. You know what this is? This is too British. Yeah. First class passenger, passenger Charles Stangel also approached boat one asking officer Murdoch, if he could get in Murdoch told him, yeah, go ahead,

jump in. Stangel had to lift himself up over the bulwark railing and into the boat, which is on the other side of the railing, obviously, hanging over the water. And he had some trouble doing it. He had to roll over the wood rail and drop into the boat. And apparently Murdoch. That's embarrassing, man.

His little legs are kicking. And what made what made this worse is Murdoch laughed and said, that is the funniest sight I've seen all night. That's cold. That's cold. The water, Alice. And, you know, finally, passenger and businessman Abraham Solomon boarded boat one with Murdoch's permission.

Murdoch just letting all the men in. Yep. Go to Murdoch side if you're a dude. This boat is for women and femmes only. It's for people of marginalized genders. So lifeboat three was launched at 1 a.m. 50 aboard out of capacity of 65. Lifeboat eight was launched at 110 a.m.

65 capacity, 39 on board. Captain Smith. We're going over half at least at this point. Yeah. Captain Smith personally ordered boat eight lowered asking if there were any more ladies nearby. He ordered the men in charge of that boat. We're the women at.

Yeah. Smith ordered the men in charge of that boat to roll for the light on the horizon, the Californian, but obviously they never made it that far. Lifeboat one was launched at 1.15 a.m. 12 aboard out of a capacity of 40. Jesus. It seems like if you were relatively proactive about

getting to where the lifeboats were being launched, you couldn't get on. Yeah. If you wanted to, it's just a case of like not knowing what to do because no one has told you. Man's hubris. And, you know, out of the 12 aboard seven were crew. So like it seems like they were intending to.

That's like a dereliction. I'm getting fully Victorian morality about this. Like, okay, you were a trained sailor, you know, to get in the boat. Why aren't you fucking throwing people in the boat with you? Like that one guy did. Yeah. Just pick her up and put her down.

Yeah. Yeah, you know. So I'm guessing they probably did that with the intention of loading it from the gangways. But again, they just didn't do that. It's impossible to say like it could just have been entirely self-centered. It could have been panic.

We don't know. Yeah. As boat one was lowered to get caught up and probably the coaling outrigger wires and it took five minutes to get it cut away. Next slide. So. Boat sink.

Boat sink. It's getting there. You know, up to this point work, it's still been going in boiler room five to keep the water out. You know, the damage was in the coal bunker. So it seemed easy, but at one 10 a.m. You know, the leading fireman Barrett had. He spotted a terrific rush of water come flowing into the

boiler room and towards him from between the boilers. Another one. Barrett was ordered up top by junior assistant engineer Herbert Harvey. So he climbed me escape letters just in time, just as the water was swirling around. Don't like that. Barrett exited the boiler room via a door along

Scotland Road where he saw water flooding up the forward end of the corridor. You know, it really takes something out of those reconstruction photos of the corridors to know that that floor is linoleum. Yeah. Art of Grey. The floor in that fancy Turkish bathroom is also linoleum if

you could see it on all that water. Around one 15 a.m. saloon steward Ray, who had just been on f deck waiting through the flooding water on the lower grand staircase is making his way up the stairs. Passing Sea Deck. He saw two purses in the off in the person's office along with clerks removing items from the large safe in that room and placing them in bags.

Hey, guys, this is good, right? Just doing a little bit of robbery. The phone's doing a little looting. Just a little. I mean, like this, there's a lot of like loosing happens. Like that's again, it's that thing about the best and worst of humanity. You know, firefighters looted stuff from stores on 9 11.

I mean, to be fair, they were probably trying to save items, but like, you know, it's suspicious. Who can say? You're totally like prying the earrings off of Nancy Astor at this point. Like, yeah, come on. Me personally. Yeah, probably.

I mean, that's what that's because I'm doing. Yeah, that's what I would be doing is I would be locating the richest passengers. Yeah, you'd be doing a class war. I would be doing a class war. Yes. After one, after 1 15 a.m. It was noted by a lookout, George Simons and a lifeboat that the bow of the ship was down low enough for the second

roll of port holes below Titanic. The name painted on the bow to, you know, to disappear under the water. You know, by now, the mood was beginning to turn. You know, the passengers noticed. If the mood is jovial, then you should change it. Like it. At 1 20 a.m. men working in the after boiler rooms and engine

room were released from their duties in a sort of a run for it sort of way. Yes. Yeah. Somebody junior second engineer, John Hesketh, who said, we've done all we can men get out now. Others in the engine room were released from duty by senior second engineer, William Farquasson, Farquasson.

I don't know. Farquasson. Farquasson. Around the same time, Trimmer Thomas Dillon had heard that the had heard the order as he was heading to the engine room, which is good because, you know, he had just seen water flooding up from below the still cold floor plates in boiler room.

Oh, that's that's a worry seeing that come up around the boilers. That was a little confusing because it's hard to say where that was coming from. There's a theory from, I think, I think Titanic researcher, Park Stevenson, that maybe the iceberg might have done a very small amount of grounding damage on the bottom of the ship below boiler room for at least.

There's no proof of that. We don't know. But one has to wonder where the water came from there. So we have to talk about the class system at this point. Once again, because as we know, the Titanic was divided into upper, middle and lower class tickets and areas. And so one of the things that's in the movie is, oh, we just shut these gates and we keep the immigrants, you know, locked

in the holes to drown. Let's see. Oh, is that actually true? Did those gates exist? So yeah, the third class gates, you know, no, not quite. So yeah, they didn't have gates to stop you from catching Irish. No.

Potato inflation disease. There were there were three main ways to like to divvy off like interior areas. One was the doors, plenty of those, some were locked, some weren't. Others were low railing gates. These were exterior railings on the upper decks. These were marked in blue on this plan.

And these are low railings, only a few feet high. You could jump over the gates that were on those if you really wanted to. The other were Boston gates. These are the famous gates you see in the movies. These were only in a few locations around the ship, marked in pink. And they were mostly locking off like crew areas or in crew

areas like for cargo or locking off like a mail sorting area. There were no Boston gates to lock third class passengers below decks. That didn't happen. Yeah. There were also watertight doors that would have locked off some of these corridors, but, you know, that was never intended to like keep anyone below.

And even then. Kind of a mercy, you know, like I mean, this is sort of a myth from our own home on the political left is like, oh, we just we didn't care about these people. So we just left them to die. And in fact, we actively hindered their survival. And it's like, it seems like the ways in which that happened is far more passive than that.

And that's the most insidious thing of all, right, is the ways systems just happen to fuck people over. Of course. Of course. And even if they were locked in by watertight doors, there were staircases, ladders and all kinds of things out of all of these compartments. So the problem is that their class pastors just weren't

familiar with the ship. Like in theory, they could easily escape onto the upper from anywhere. Nothing would have kept them below. No maps, no drills. Yeah, no maps. No, I don't know if there were signs really, at least not in other languages.

And so they just, you know, the worst enemy in this case was the ship's very layout. And they're unfamiliarity with it. They were probably people who just wandered around trying to find their way out. And, you know, it's a little note for you, the listener, that when you go into somewhere that has a sign up telling you how to get out of somewhere, get familiar with that sign.

I always know the exits. Yeah, I always know your exits in general. But in particular, if you're in a hotel, if you're on a ship, if you have something with a like a mandated like statutory poster of your evacuation route, you should learn that. Another issue, though, is that it wasn't all completely passive. No, it was not.

I hate to interrupt. No, we just hit three hours and 50 minutes. I have to genuinely drop off. Yeah, go ahead. Thanks, Kyle. Thanks, everybody. I'll see you next week. Bye, guys.

Bye, Liam. All right. Bo, go sink. Bo, go sink. Bo, go sink. Come on, man. I'm on drink number three over here. I was about to say.

All right. So, you know, some of the third class passengers, many of them had gathered on the aft well deck and they were kept from going above by some crewmen who were stationed at the exterior staircases going up to the higher decks for a while. Yes, a guard against Italians. Yes. Yeah.

Eventually they relented and let him through, but like it was certainly a problem. But I have to go back because we skipped ahead quite a bit. No, we don't. No, we don't. I was about to say, what did we skip? Yeah. Yeah.

So, you know, I don't have to go through all of it. Mainly the lifeboats, which is that, you know, basically by 115, only six lifeboats are left to ship. A rumor had circulated around that time that men were to be led into the lifeboats on the airport quarter. And so they all started running that way. At both. Was that the same course that we had had?

We had seen the officer who was like letting men aboard or. Yeah. At boat 14, stewardess Violet Jessup climbed in and then, you know, a six officer moody handed her a baby on the side about Jessup. She was she was she earlier served on the Olympic, you know, Titanic sister ship force and she was on she was on board during the hawk collision. You know, she wasn't injured or anything.

You know, tonight she found herself on Titanic as it sank, you know, but luckily she's getting away in the lifeboat. A few years later in November, 1916, she was serving on the other sister ship. Titanic. Yeah. And she was a nurse, you know, a stroke of mind started sinking. He found she found herself in a lifeboat.

But lifeboat got launched early, way too early. Well, the ship was still moving through the water and the propellers were turning. So you see where I'm going with this. Oh boy. Yeah. The lifeboat got pulled through the propellers. Some jumped out, but the rest got chopped to pieces.

She almost got killed. She got hit by something on her head. She, you know, it could have been debris. It could have been the boat. It could have been a propeller blade. Who knows? Either way, you know, she managed to survive very narrowly. So, you know, just, yeah, I have survived sinking.

Fucking I've survived like an incident on every ship of this class. Yes. They should give you a little like achievement for that little steam achievement. Little metal ships suck. Oh man, I hate these fucking things. So, so, you know, yeah, there's a bunch of things played out around

this time. It's just a bunch of crap. There are so many stories. Okay. Now we really are rushing when you're like, oh yeah, a bunch of shit happened to worry about a boat sank. But yeah, yeah, the men tried getting in boats and crowding them and they were fighting, you know, the officers fired off shots.

Things are really starting to fall apart around this time. We can see the sort of the pious Victorian morality only survives until the waters are about your knee level. And then you're like, yeah, no, okay, I'm going to fist by the guy. Lifeboat nine was launched at 120 a.m. 56 aboard out of 65. Lifeboat 12 was launched at 125 a.m. 42 out of 65 aboard.

Lifeboat 11 was launched at 125 as well. 70 aboard out of 65. Supposedly. That's more like it. Yeah, that's what you should be doing. When boat 11 reached the water, there was some difficulty with the jammed release mechanism, which was made worse by a nearby condenser discharge stream.

You know, those condensers we mentioned earlier. And it nearly swamped the boat. But once on jam, they made it away. Lifeboat 14 was launched at 130 a.m. 63 out of 65 aboard. At this point, how many people are in the water? Are there like any people in the water? Is there like jumping from the ship going on or what?

I don't think so. Not at this point. There wasn't a need for that yet. You know, a boat 14 was lowered with fifth officer lower board while on the boat. Low would ask a man if he thought the boat could hold their weight and he was like hanging in the davits. All right.

But he gave the order to lower weight lower away. As boat 14 passed a deck, large groups of passengers were there seemingly waiting to jump into the boat. This is especially concerning to low, who was still worried about the weight. Low pulled out his gun and fired three shots along the side of the ship to scare the people away. To low.

They finally do the thing that they've been trying to do, which is load the boats from like midway down and it's too crowded to do it. But to low, the crowd looked like, quote, a lot of Italians and Latin people. Oh, my God. Those terms were, you know, Italians and Latin people were terms often thrown around back in those days, you know,

interchangeably, too. Yeah. And the prejudice was so deeply ingrained that when low testified at the American inquiry, you know, that he fired shots to prevent Italian immigrants from jumping into my life boat, he was forced to apologize on a letter by the Italian ambassador. In the letter, in the letter low stated, I do, I do thereby

cancel the word Italian and substitute the words immigrants belonging to Latin races. In fact, I did not mean to infer that they were especially Italians because I could only judge them from their general appearance and complexion. And therefore I only meant to imply that they were of the types of the Latin races. In any case, I do not intend to cast any reflection on the Italian

nation. Right. So. So he stops the Italians allegedly from getting into the boat and they lower it down. Yeah. And also as boat 14 got in the water, got near the water, its falls got jammed.

It was about five feet above the water. So they just released it and it fell that distance. Sure. It scared them a bit. And of course, lifeboat 16 was launched at 1.35 a.m. capacity 56 out of 65. By 1.30 the situation is getting really bad or at least worse. It was low enough in the water that people in the boats could

clearly see that she might sink. It was around this time that Stuart John Stuart. Yes. He really was that, oh my God, my stomach is growling. You could probably hear it on the mic. Around this time, Stuart John Stuart checked the first class smoking room and he found Thomas Andrews in there by the fireplace. He was staring at a painting by Norman Wilkinson.

Also aside, Wilkinson was the one who invented the whole, what do you call that, the dazzle paint scheme used during the warships in World War One. Interesting. You know, up on deck, the loading of the other boats had commenced. Again, all bunch of stories playing out. You know, like a third class passengers, you know, Eugene Daly, Maggie Daly and Bertha Malville, you know, they made

their way up at the boat deck. Apparently on the way up, they nearly fought with a guy that they asked for a life jacket from because he thought the guy was trying to take the life jacket for himself. Just like mutual suspicion that the other might be Italian. Yes. Yeah. Well, when they got up to the boat deck, the daily group

saw a family named Rice standing off to the side. They were third class passenger Margaret Rice and her five children. All of them died. You know, by this point, Titanic Starboard List had reversed and the ship was now starting to list the port. It went down in a sort of very accommodating way, didn't it? Yeah.

Yeah, pretty much. Like all the illustrations, it's like straight on all the way down. Pretty much. You know, meanwhile, Leaning Fireman Frederick Barrett, you know, he was making his way after an A deck and he saw, you know, he came by boats 13 and 15, you know, no officer was nearby at the time and he knew the ship was going to sink.

So he just sort of climbed in and there was around this time that a bunch of people got into boats. I think both 13 and 15. Lawrence Beasley got into 13. So we're entering the sort of like Sove Keeper kind of like era here. Yeah. Also Paul Maj kitchen clerk and chief chef Pierre Rousseau of

the Ellicott restaurant made their way to the boat deck by now too. They were the lucky ones because earlier they were prevented from leaving their quarters on E deck by a bunch of stewards. They managed to convince the stewards to let them pass because they were dressed in their uniforms, but the rest of the restaurant staff were not allowed to pass, which is, you know, probably why most of them all died.

Jesus. You know, Maj arrived on the edge of the deck by boat 13. He decided to jump right in. Someone on the ship tried to pull Maj off the boat, but he survived. He managed to stay on the boat and, you know, of course survived. That's pretty awkward to be in the lifeboat for hours with somebody who you know, try to like throw you off of it. He was actually someone on the Titanic tried pulling him off

the boat. Oh, I see. Okay. And but he stayed on. He shouted up to Rousseau to jump, but he refused. Maj thought that there's this is because Rousseau was too fat. No, fuck that. My big ass is jumping.

A quick aside, the only reason I'm going through some of these stories is because they are, I think they are pretty like they add flavor to the Titanic story and it's hard to skip them. Hmm. You know, but yeah. So now we're to the third class gates. We already did that. So now we can skip ahead to, you know, we're already on that slide.

Lifeboats 13 and 15. So. Yeah. 13 was the 13th boat to be launched at 1.35 a.m. Chip. Yeah. If our estimations of when boats were launched were are correct. That changes like every few years.

You know, the, you know, 64 out of 65 aboard about 30 seconds after that, because it takes, you know, a good minute or so to lower the boats to the water. Lifeboat 15 was launched around 1.35, you know, overloaded with 70 aboard and the boat 15 was the one directly aft of 13. So when 13 hit the water, it started getting pushed aft by the condenser stream and they almost got swamped. But the falls that were still connected stopped the boat from

moving, but it was now underneath 15. So 15 came down and very slowly, of course, and it almost crushed 13. The passengers in 13 had to, you know, they shouted up, but no one was, you know, stopping the lowering and they were pushing on the bottom of 15 to try to get out of the way. Finally, you know, it's horrifying. They could even reach it.

Yeah. Yeah. Finally, some crewmen, including I think Barrett, you know, cut the falls and they got out just in time. But apparently no one had even thought to like stop the boat. Like there were no officers up on deck because Murdoch and Moody were busy elsewhere. Like really people in authority were like just the men letting

go of the ropes. Next slide please. By now, lifeboat number 10 on the port side was still sitting on its chocks and it had yet to be loaded and even or even swung out. So Murdoch started that process, you know, at lifeboat two, a group of male crew members rushed onto it behind Chief Officer Wilde's back when he was looking for women and children.

This is a sneaking mission. Yeah. He, you know, Smith, Captain Smith noticed it. He grabbed a megaphone and shouted how many of the crew in that boat get out of there every man of you. You know, I'm going to die like I lived yelling at enlisted men. Yes. Yeah.

And there was around that this point, Captain Smith took a megaphone and he shouted out on the water, you know, bring those boats back. They're only half filled. The whistle was then blown and Smith, you know, yelled at him. Yeah. He, you know, he asked them to, you know, come around to the starboard side specifically to Box Hall's boat to the gangway

doors. It's not a bad idea because like we have people in the water at this point, but like they're already dying from hypothermia at this point. Right. Not yet. OK. At least as far as I know.

But so Box Hall begins rowing around the end of the ship to get, you know, you know, in boat six, you know, quartermaster Hitchens decided to ignore Smith's orders for boats to return. He said, he said, no, we are not going back to the boat. It is our lives now, not theirs. He wanted to row further away instead. You're literal lifeboat ethics. And like the reason why you would row away from a shipboat is the

shipwreck rather is like the idea that it might suck you down with it. Right. Yeah. They thought they basically they thought Titanic would act as a giant, like black hole. Just suck everything down within 10 miles or so. I mean, how plausible is that that if you're close enough to a

shipwreck, you just get dragged down? I mean, if it goes fast enough, sure. But in Titanic's case, there was literally no suction. It was that slow. It's well that the light stayed on that long, too. Yeah. Yeah. Hitchens was described as being cowardly and almost crazy with fear.

By 145 am, Titanic's port list had increased to about 10 degrees. Italian with fear. Oh, there you go. So yeah, you know, it's the port list was about 10 degrees. So, you know, when they were loading boat 10, there was a two and a half foot gap between it and the deck. So I thought at this time, collapsible lifeboats, C and D were being prepared and this process took forever because, you know,

the nature of the boats. Yeah, they're not like inflatable, right? They literally have to like pull up these canvas sides. Yeah. Chief Baker Charles Yauhin was on the boat deck trying to help women and children to the boats. And this guy will appear later and help to get people into boat 10, mostly third class.

You know, once this was done, Yauhin and some other crew had went to the deck below and, you know, had to grab passengers and bring them up because there are just so few people up on deck, like on the higher deck. They just threw them into the boat across the gap. It makes sense. So it's like hide within this like big structure. It's like all mess. So you think it's going to like protect you?

Oh boy. As boat 10 was being lowered, a man described by some as a foreigner of some kind and a crazed Italian ran up and jumped into the boat, landing on passenger Ludi Parrish, bruising her and crushing her foot. But later the foreigner quotes helped to throw the boats. So, you know, the ladies found that helpful. Oh, that's nice. On the one hand, he was crazed and Italian, but on the other hand,

very helpful. Around 1.50 a.m., a steward had apparently been serving free risky from the bar under the poop deck. The steward reportedly said, go on, lads, drink up. She is going down. Nice. Trimmer, Trimmer, Thomas, Dylan and others took the steward up on his offer and before they headed up on the poop deck.

And then they, he and the other men from the engineering spaces, they had enough tobacco for one cigarette, which they passed around between 15 men. Oh, that's crap. They should have delivered those cigarettes to the boat. Yeah, no kidding. You get like one short drag each. Although I do wonder the extent to which being drunk helped you with

hypothermia. Probably some being drunk is better in like a lot of like, obviously it like impairs your decision-making and makes you much less likely to survive in most scenarios, but in like the other say 25% being absolutely fucked really does seem to help you. Like you just kind of go limp and you just wait for someone to rescue you.

Yes. Seems to work. That's right. That's our like official WTYP official survival advice is determine whether or not this is a disaster which will be helped by you being drunk. And then if it is, you know, hit that free whiskey. I was about to say, you know, take advantage of all you can. That's right.

That's right. Let's see. We're getting too far from the end really. Famous last words. Famous last words. You know, I had boat tan, a woman tripped on her heel and she almost fell from the deck and she had to get back on a second attempt. You know, somebody finally found a key for the windows for life boat for at

this point on a deck. John Jacob Astor and half an hour later, Jesus Christ on a deck. John Jacob Astor and Colonel Gracie helped Madeline Astor's pregnant wife to board boat for, you know, Astor asked second officer light taller what the boat number was so he could find his wife later. Light taller told them those four, but he didn't recognize them as Astor and he thought the guy was asking so he could file a complaint against light taller later that we have.

So we have some more boats launched at this point. Yeah. Lifeboat two was launched at 1.45 a.m. 26 out of capacity of 40. Maybe as few as 17 Jesus lifeboat 10 was launched at 1.50 a.m. 55 out of 65. When boat 10 hit the water, there's a brief difficulty in get disengaging the falls as a crewman worked on it. Somebody said hurry up.

The boilers may explode at any moment. Was that ever a risk or was that just something people convinced themselves off? No, no risk at all. The boilers had been cold by that point. Lifeboat four was launched at 1.55 a.m. capacity 65 40 aboard by 1.50 a.m. The forward well deck was already a wash and the forecast will begin to go

under too. The last stress rocket was also fired around this time by quartermaster George row. You know, the port boat four was in the water. Passenger Emily Ryerson noted that the a deck appeared to be only 20 feet above water, water rushing into port holes and flooding into rooms with the lights still on. Chief.

Well, the electricity stayed on that long. Yeah. I think they gradually went out in rooms obviously and stuff like that and stuff was shorted out. Yeah. Still though, like normally you would expect that to just be like off or like on. But like, yeah, that kind of progressive failure.

That's very interesting. Chief Baker Charles. Yalhin was down in his cabin sometime after 1.50 having a drop of liquor. Yeah, my ass. Like onto his second bottle of whiskey. Yeah. He briefly met and spoke with the ship surgeon, Dr. Aloflin, and then noticed water starting to flood into his cabin,

literally through an open watertight door nearby, which had been open for access. When he left the cabin and go back top side, he saw two men coming to close the watertight door with a large spanner. So like even if you were like a midships, like the kind of normality or pretended normality really persisted a long time. Yeah. And this is pretty, this is on the deck.

It was relatively high at this point, but water was already flooding in. This is as far aft as the engine room. Good Lord. So I mean, it wasn't down in the engine room yet, probably, but it was coming in from above. Hmm. After heading to a deck to throw about 50 deck chairs overboard, Yalhin went into the a deck pantry for some water and he must have been there

for a while because he comes up later. By water, he means like third and fourth bottle of whiskey. You know, obviously in light boats, passengers could see that it was sinking lower in the Marconi suite. Captain Smith arrives to tell Phillips and Bride that, you know, Titanic when that lasts very long and the engine rooms are taking water and the diet. There's a lot of like witness testimonies that like I only realized

it was sinking once I got into the lifeboat and I saw it from the outside. Yeah. It's kind of deceptive in its way. Like it seems relatively survivable once you're on it, but as soon as you're off, you're like immediately aware that it's doomed. Yeah. By this point, the power was starting to grow weaker.

You know, about 150 Titanic received a message from the Baltic saying they were rushing to help. Classable C and D were being loaded by now and, you know, they were trying to get them ready. The Nikid family, I believe they were. Yeah. Sounds Arabic. Yeah.

Yeah, they were. But, you know, the father, his wife, like Mary and daughter, Maria, they arrived at Classable C, you know, the women got in, but he stayed out. He was prevented. So he decided to just wait and look for the right moment to jump in. Ismay. Ismay, meanwhile, was standing near Classable C, having helped

load it earlier and now is clear that ship be gone. Also earlier. Oh, I think I might have skipped it, but earlier is may was like standing around Boat C and he started panicking and he was like, oh, God, we need to get the boats out now. We need to get them in the officers. Like if you stop, maybe I could. Yeah.

It's sort of remembered as a coward, which I guess we'll get to. Yeah. It's sort of unfair to him. Yeah. I actually never, I removed Ismay part from the notes, but I mean, but yeah, I mean, he, you know, we just knocked it out now, which is we'll talk about him in the Nazi Titanic, which is like a sort of adaptation of the Titanic story was one of the pre-war narratives

that the Nazis had as a movie. And in that, it's like this one member of the crew is made German and he's sort of the Cassandra who like sees everything coming. He's the upright, like, stalwart bastion of masculinity, but like Ismay is made to be Jewish and he's made to be this sort of like deceptive, cowardly, self-interested guy who is like only interested in corporate profits and who pushes the ship towards disaster. And it's, it's, it's absolutely a libel on him.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Back at boat D light teller came across a group of men who he described as dagos. Nice. Jesus. I'm going for a, I'm going for a piss. So do not pause for me.

All right. Yeah. They had to jumped into the life boat light taller hopped in with his gun and he quote encouraged them verbally to leave. Oh boy. They tumbled out of the boat, not wanting to get shot. According to light taller, the gun wasn't even loaded. You know, the task accomplished, you know, boat D was swung over

the side and they started loading at the round this time, boat two rounded the stern on its way to the starboard side. And Box Hall, who was on the boat, he, he noticed that the propellers were completely out of the water at that point. Yeah. Not good. And, but Box Hall at that point, he was hesitant to approach Titanic when he got to the other side.

You know, he was supposed to pick up more people, but instead of doing that, he opted to row out further from the ship and he justified it by saying he felt that the boat had already had enough people on board and that he was worried they'd be rushed and swamped by scared passengers. I mean, not wrong. That's true. Yeah.

You know, by 2am forward B deck was well under water probably and the forward cabins are flooding. And on the boat deck at that point, a large number of trimmers and engineers and firemen had came up on deck and, you know, most of the, you know, most of these men, you know, they wouldn't survive. And by two. They're good.

Yeah. By 2am, the folks all was well submerged. So is this the point at which we reached the sort of like enormous like pitched deck and people were like sliding off to their doom and all the fun things like that? Almost. We can go to the next slide now. Please.

You know, oh, yeah. After separating from the other crewmen, you know, it greases Thomas Ranger and Frederick Scott, you know, they see boat four in the water rowing near the ship and they were like, you know what, this is our chance. So they both climbed out onto the davits and then they slid down the boat falls into the lifeboat. Well, almost.

That's cool. That's cool. Kind of. I'm going to fast rope into this life, lifeboat. Well, kind of. Scott lost his grip and fell into the water. Well, listen, it's not cool unless it's dangerous. But it's okay.

Ranger made it into the boat and Scott was pulled aboard. So. Yay. You know, a collapsible sea, you know, Murdoch was still having trouble finding women and children. Quarter master on that on that left libertarian quadrant. Yeah. A quarter master row got into the boat to help man it.

And then it was then that Bruce Ismay and first class passenger William Carter, who was the guy who owned the car that was in the cold cargo hold. Oh, the Ford Model T or whatever that's in the movie was Kevin Costner. Yeah, it was a Renault. But they climbed into the boat. Later on, four store storeways were found in that boat who came

up from under the seats. They were described as China men or Filipinos. I kind of. I don't like, but I find amusing the like kind of phrenology you could do in those days of just like best guessing it. I've just been like, yeah, no, somewhere, somewhere in this like 2000 mile area, you know, in my opinion, I think.

And of course, these were almost certainly four of the six Chinese survivors of the sinking, at least one of the, I don't know what one or the other two was pulled from the water. In fact, I think he was possibly the last guy pulled from the water after the sinking. There was even a scene, a deleted scene in a movie where that guy was rescued. So, you know, a boat sea as it was lowered, you know, is scraping

along the hall because of the port list. So they were trying to push it against it and prevent damage. It was at this point that Seed Nikid took this chance and jumped down into the boat and some women helped cover him up with their skirts. Brave man. Yeah. Brave woman.

Up on deck gun was also fired, apparently to keep other men back. Quirk aside is that I didn't put it in my notes, but you know, it's not really known if any of the officers shot themselves. I think I might. I'd rather like than hypothermia. Yeah. There's a few methods of death I could think of where I would

rather simply just like it. Yeah. I mean, if it happened at all or who is, nobody knows. There were shots fired and who the hell knows. But I didn't put that in my notes so I can't go over it. Yeah. Nobody will have no, you know, no one will know. I mean, I could talk for nine hours about it.

We'll never. It is strange that it's like, again, one of those sort of like Edwardian like honorable methods of suicide is to like use the service revolver when like events have turned against you, you know, sort of like a, you know, Edwardian Sipoku, you know. Yeah. By this point, water is creeping up the stairs that went down

from like the bridge area to B deck at boat D several crew, including quarter master bright second officer light taller were ordered to man the boat. You know, light taller said not damned likely and jump back onto the ship. It was such a cunt is the thing like that. That was also the source of his strength. Like he survived the like Dunkirk evacuation in the Second

World War. Like he was a very, you know, a sort of very much man of steel sort of thing, but he was also an absolute dickhead to work with. Apparently he was also, if I'm recalling that's light taller who did it. He was also a bit of a jokester. He apparently during the Boer War, he faked a Boer attack

and made people in the harbor. I don't know where it was a panic just to play a joke. When he was serving on the medique. So, you know, around 202 AM for the last time, Captain Smith visits the Marconi suite, you know, Jack Phillips, Harold Bride are still hard at work. They are trying to send out stress messages, even as water is getting closer.

Smith released the men. He told them they've done their best and can do no more and they better take care of themselves. And then he left. Phillips didn't leave. He stuck to his work. Mainly trying to contact like Carpathia and also a ship called Frankfurt have been trying to contact them.

And he was like, you're a fool. Keep out and do not interfere with our communications because, you know, Yeah, of course. I mean, that's that's sad, though. It's like, you know, like you've given you've been given this sort of like honorable discharge here. Like that's the closest social sanction you're going to get.

And you're still like, that's not enough for me. I'm going to I'm going to stay here and go down with the ship. Yeah. And later, Bride would recall the Phillips quote. He was a brave man. I learned to love him that night. And I suddenly felt a great reverence to see him standing there sticking to his work while everybody was raging about.

I will never live to forget the work of Phillips for the last awful 15 minutes. Oh, I'm so sad. By 205 a.m. Vauxhall is entirely underwater. And at this point, Titanic is going to be completely gone in just 15 minutes. We get a lot of stoic deaths at this point,

which is sad because of how many of them were like wildly unnecessary. Around the time Boat D was being lowered, Captain Smith was seen on deck, giving orders to a megaphone. Apparently first class passenger Frederick Hoyt had approached Smith. He had known Smith for 15 years. And he just wanted to offer his sympathies, you know, this is a terrible situation, isn't it?

And then Smith suggested the Hoyt that he should go down to a deck and see if a lifeboat is beside it, telling him to jump in and that he better do it soon. You know, Hoyt went down, but, you know, he found that D was still being lowered. He decided to jump off into the water in the hopes that he'd be picked up and he eventually was. Meanwhile, passengers Hugh Wolner and a name I'm not going to try to say.

Moritz. Let's see here. Moritz Hock and Bjorns from Stephenson. Yes. They were on a deck waiting for the boat. And, you know, when it reached the water, they both jumped in. I feel for Captain Smith at this point. Like none of this is hugely his fault.

And like, there's no way he could have survived this. Not in the sense of like engineering, but in the sense of like, there was no social route for him out of that boat. Like if he had survived that, he would have like been pilloried for the rest of his life. Oh, yeah. It was absolutely like 100% an expectation that like, he would have been wildly dishonored if he had like survived this.

I don't know. It reminds me of the captain of the Andrea Doria, right? It was like determined to go down with the ship, even after everyone was off the ship safely. They had to be like pulled from the boat. You're like, no, no, everyone's off the boat. You can leave. Well, like, we'll see this with a lot of a lot of male survivors

who like just absolutely discredited for the rest of their lives, even if they had like had multiple witness, you know, descriptions of them behaving in like incredibly selfless ways, just by the fact that they had survived at all, were seen as cowards. Which, you know, of course is not going to lead into any sort of understanding of warfare within the next two years, which is going to, you know, decimate entire countries.

Masculinity, it's a weird time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Masculinity, folks, don't do it. Yeah, just don't say no to masculinity. To be avoided. Around 205 a.m., of course, you know, as these guys were jumping off,

water was pouring over the bulwark and the deck, and that area quickly flooded. You know, by the time boat D was pulling away, the ceiling of a deck had already reached the water. Like when the bridge was very close to going under next, like Titanic was like, most of the shit, well, most of it almost was still out of the water at this point, but it was just going fast.

Like water was pouring in through the larger windows and the upper decks. Like it just, it went like exponentially faster at this point. Titanic, but the faster it sinks, the faster it sinks. Yeah. You know, up on the boat, deck light taller was now focused on getting collapsible lifeboats B off the roof of the officer's quarters. And, you know, Murdoch was doing the same on the moody on the other side

with collapsible A. Now, collapsibles A and B, you know, the other collapsibles were sitting on the deck, you know, by the davits, you could get them, you know, relatively easily off the ship and they did. But A and B were on the roof of the officer's quarters far away from any of it. These aren't like, these aren't inflatables either. Like they're canvas and wood. You have to carry them.

Yeah. Titanic and a system where there were attachments to the guy wires on the funnels where you could raise the boats off. But, you know, either they didn't know how to use them or they didn't have time or, you know, it would have taken them forever. So it's just the most useless place to put lifeboats. At any rate, you know, collapsible C was launched at 2 a.m. 43 aboard out of a capacity of 47 collapsible D was launched at 205 a.m.

44 out of 47. And these were the last actual lifeboat loading at lowerings. Yeah. With those numbers, you can kind of like see the desperation there, you know. Yeah. By now, people had definitely begun jumping off the ship from the stern. You know, on the port side of the boat deck, Lighthaller was still working with the crew to ready Boat B.

In a Marconi suite, Phillips was making his final attempts to send out messages. Bride had put on his life belt and stepped, you know, he strapped a belt onto Phillips as he worked. Phillips didn't ask Bride to grab a coat and spare money from the cabin when Bride walked back in. He found a stoker in the office trying to literally take the life belt off of Phillips back. Goddamn.

Good Lord. You know, apparently Phillips is still engrossing his work that he didn't even notice that this is happening. That's going to that might stick with me for a while. You know, you know, even though Bride was a smaller man, he just ran at the stoker and he knocked him out. He may have even hit him with an object. I don't know.

And then, you know, at that point, Phillips and Bride just decided to abandon the their efforts and they left. When they got out on deck, you know, it was chaos. But the band was still playing at that point. Running to the last of their repertoire. Yeah. Phillips and Bride, you know, they separated and Phillips ran aft. And that was the last Bride ever saw of them.

Phillips died. At this and about this time, you know, a large group of third class passengers had arrived from below decks via the grand staircase. You know, this is late in the sinking. I mean, the ship's almost gone and suddenly this huge group of third class people just comes up only now. And at this point, like the crew on the deck had assumed that like most of the women and children are gone, but this group was full of women and children.

And it was like, they must have been like, shit, where do these people come from? Oops. Maybe we shouldn't have like, you know, not evacuated this entire third class section. Either side of the officer's quarters, you know, men, you know, place spars or oars against the side of the, you know, the deckhouse to create a slope slide the boats down. You know, it was around this time that the band began playing their last piece. What it was, we'll never be sure it could have been song to autumn or maybe near

my god to thee. Rock and roll part two by Larry Glasser. On the stern and poop deck passengers, basically from all classes, we're gathering and mixing at this point. It was here that Father Thomas Biles and Father Joseph Perishitz were, you know, praying and granting absolutions to passengers. I'd better get some good ass absolution at that point. Yeah, it's like, well, I give you, you go to confession and, you know, I'm just

wondering if you if you confess and then they give you your penance prayers, you know, and then you have enough time to do them before the ship goes under. Well, like the thing is a lot of Catholic theology around the dying is very liberal nowadays, but I wonder if this was before the point where you could give extreme to somebody who was like just accustomed like the current standard is accustomed to say some prayers, the lowest they can make it. And I do wonder if it was that liberal then, or if it was just like, no, sorry. Yeah.

Nope. You gotta do three. You gotta do three Rosarys in 15 minutes. Yeah, you better fucking say that first. I hope you're good at pronouncing the word mulliaribus. At around two 10 a.m. after having apparently left the smoke room a while back, you know, Thomas Andrews is seen throwing deck chairs overboard, still trying to help passengers. And then he was carrying a lifeboat to the bridge, supposedly.

Mess Steward Cecil Fitzpatrick was crossing through the bridge. You know, he claimed to have seen Captain Smith talking to Andrews saying, we cannot stay any longer. She is going and then he fainted. Supposedly. On the port side forward around two 13 a.m. Classable B was pushed over the side, but it landed upside down in the water, which is already flowing up the deck at that point. Oops.

And there was no time. So they just abandoned efforts to do anything with that boat. On the starboard side, Murdock had ordered the Davits to be cranked back in in an attempt to ready them for collapsible A. The deck here was still dry because of the, you know, the heavy port list. So, you know, they had time still. How possible is it to walk on it, though, by that point? Not too, not too hard, but it would have been awkward, I think.

You couldn't play a game of squash on it. Yes. No. You know, the crewmen freed and pushed a boat over, you know, it hit the deck pretty hard, but it was upright. You know, Moody had wanted to let the boat float away, but the others were like, no, let's attach the falls to it. So, you know, they hooked the boat up and they were trying to drag it up the deck and

they just couldn't. You know, meanwhile, Fitzpatrick, you know, he came to and, you know, he began helping with A. And, you know, they tried to ready the, they tried to ready A and then water began bubbling up from the stairwell that was nearby. And, you know, at that point it was like, there's no time left. While running aft, Archibald Gracie ran into a, quote, massive humanity clamoring against a divider railing on the boat deck. You know, probably the same massive humanity that, you know, the third class passengers

that would come up earlier. Yeah, around 215, the boat deck, which had already been submerging forward, suddenly took a, quote, slight but definite plunge. Quick aside is Smith and Andrew's fate. You know, it was long believed that Captain Smith went, you know, went down with the ship, you know, standing in the bridge and all that. The like honorable thing, you know, the upright British officer sort of thing. Yeah.

You know, meanwhile, it's, you know, it was long believed that Andrew's was in the smoke room just staring at a painting all the time until, you know, it ended. But you know, after going through like survivor accounts and all kinds of stuff and the timings of these things, you know, it's, that doesn't seem accurate. Like Smith is placed around and outside the bridge near the end. Some claim that they saw him go into the water, like jump into the water off the bridge wing around this time. And you know, the smoke room, you know, Andrew's was seen elsewhere after that.

And the guy who saw him in the smoke room was like way, way, he left the ship ages ago by now. So in all likelihood, Andrew's wasn't there. Claim to see Smith and Andrews together on the bridge and that they both entered the water together. So we'll never know what happened exactly. But I mean, it seems likely that, you know, it's not like in the movies, they probably went into the water.

Next slide, finally. So you know, two 15, the boat deck plunge, you know, at this point, the ship had pretty much lost any usable buoyancy and the boat, they started to go under really fast. So fast, in fact, that, you know, the crew, you know, the people working on the collapsibles found themselves in rushing water. And you know, for a moment, it seemed like Titanic righted itself almost like maybe right rows out of the water slightly. But then, but then or maybe the the list evened out in any case, you know, immediately it

just went back down and this just sent a, you know, by all accounts, a huge wave of water washing up the deck. And this is where a bunch of stuff happens. And I'm just going to run through it, which is, you know, Gracie was caught by the wave and rode it till he caught hold of a railing. A passenger Gracie was with Clint Smith, you know, he Gracie never saw him again. And also Windows is bugging me for updates. So you're going to hear that.

Listen, install Windows, our host is back. Just a different computer. Yeah. You know, by this time, passenger John Thayer. And is Jack there, actually, I think. And his friend Milton Long had been waiting on the boat deck to jump ship. You know, finally, they went long slid down the side of the ship. They are jumped and long glissading down a whole fucking thing of riveted

like iron plates. Yeah. Fuck that. Well, yeah, because Long was never seen again. Yeah, no kidding. Jesus. You know, Scully and John Collins was helping a woman board collapsible and holding one of her kids when the wave hit the lost group of the child. Meanwhile, passenger Alma Paulson and her four children, they had been following around another passenger.

And when the wave hit, they all got, you know, they got separated and then all of them died at the collapsibles, the chaos of water. And, you know, it's it's just a massive mess of confusion. You know, you're sort of like a Bosch painting with more water. And yeah, yeah. Passenger George Rhymes and his brother-in-law, Joseph Loring, parted ways with Loring, you know, running aft and Rhymes jumping overboard. Loring was, you know, he was never seen again.

You know, Rhymes survived, of course, near the gym. You know, first class passenger Peter Daly. You know, he's about to jump overboard when a woman stopped him saying, oh, save me, save me, good lady, save yourself. Only God can save you now, he claimed to say. But, you know, she's still she's still begged him. So he took her by the arm and they both jumped as the wave washed over. On the port side. Keep her motherfucker.

On the port side, passenger Henry Moulson removed his shoes and went to jump into the water and tried to swim towards the light of the Californian. Previously, Moulson had survived shipwrecks in 1899 and 1904. You know, in one case, he swam away. This time, he wouldn't be able to swim away and he died. Yeah. Oh, like third time was not the charm for him. Yeah, no. You know, as the wave continued moving aft and the ship sank faster,

you know, these stories, there must be like two dozen more of these stories like this, I didn't add them to my notes, but, you know, just so many people got taken out at this point or went into the water. Collapsible B was washed off the port side upside down. You know, capacity of forty seven eventually. Twenty nine would find their way aboard because it still floated. It was usable, kind of.

Collapsible A was washed off the starboard side upright. The last technically the last boat off the Titanic, probably, you know, probably about 30. Like if you're like in this water, even if you're holding on to something that floats, you know, a half hour kills you, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, pretty much in the pantry on a deck, Chief Baker Charles Yalvin was still getting his drink of water or what? Or, you know, like water. Sure. Absolutely.

I am also drinking water now. I am on my fourth glass of water and I'm having a delightful time. You know, he suddenly he suddenly heard that's good water. Hmm. Yalvin said. Supposedly spiced water. So, you know, he suddenly heard a crash as if something had been buckling in the ship or iron this parting. And soon after a rush of people on the deck above,

Yalvin went up on deck and he got caught up in the mass of people running after eventually found himself all the way in the after well deck. He would have had to jump down a couple of decks to do that. And then eventually on the poop deck and then eventually over the railing. During this time, he switched his watch across pockets and noticed it was a corner past 2 a.m. as the bridge went under. Second officer light teller jumped into the water and tried to swim for the crow's nest till he realized it was a dumb idea because the crow's

nest was attached to the ship. He said he got sucked down and then mysteriously blown clear. But that doesn't make any sense. Well, you was brought. There is this vent in front of the fort, the first funnel. And it went down into the boiler room. And what probably happened was he was near it when water started to flood into the vent grating and he probably got pushed against it as it was flowing in.

And then I got fasted off the Titanic. How's it going? Yeah. And then a rush of air probably just pushed him out. But all he attributed it to thinking of a ninety one psalm. Apparently, it's funny, though, because apparently as he was drowning against the grating, he recalled he was rather losing interest in things. Edwardians, yes. You know, after that, he grabbed hold of a rope on claps will be

and, you know, it eventually got on. Light teller watched. He said that he saw a lot of people sliding down the decks and the piles. And he thought that some were definitely drowning. You know, as water rose above the officer's quarters, it went up around the base of the first funnel. And these funnels are big and hollow and made of very thin steel.

You know, once the water got up to a certain point, I think it just crushed the base of the funnel. So at about two sixteen a.m., the first funnel crumpled at the base and fell forward and to starboard, crushed a bunch of people in the water. Um, it fell mere inches from collapsible B and it made a big wave that pushed it clear of the ship. Same for classable A passenger, Richard Richard Norris Williams had been swimming in the water near his father, who was about 15 feet away.

Apparently, Richard watched as the funnel just fell on his father. And, you know, he said that the funnel was still belching smoke. And the funny thing was, like, apparently at the time, he wasn't even so much shocked by the death of his father in front of him as he was just how big the funnel was. That makes sense. I mean, it's like sort of like beyond your capacity to like rationalize at the time. Yeah. And of course, by now, the ship's power was pretty much

on the verge of total failure with the lights glowing a devilish red. The power was probably being supplied by the emergency dynamos. You know, at this point, you know, the Grand Staircase is totally flooded. I don't I personally don't think there was a big crash to the dome like you see in movies and stuff. It would have been flooded up to the dome by that point, I think. What exactly happened? I don't know.

The dome is crushed in now and the stairs are collapsed. So is anyone's guess at around two 17 a.m. water rows are on the base of the second funnel. And that gave way in a similar way. It got crumpled in it, probably detached. And I think it may have bobbed slightly upwards. And then it crashed down onto the roof of the gymnasium and fell to starboard. And of course, crushed more people.

God dammit, that's gone poorly. I was trying to get one last weapon. So we can go to the next slide here. The messy breakup. Yeah. So the so the final angle of the ship is unknown. I mean, it used to be like, oh, maybe it was 45 degrees. But yeah, honestly, it's still a range like it could be 23, 15, 16, 26. Who the hell knows?

And in any case, you know, stern stern was well in the air by two 18 a.m. Yeah. And it's it's it's more of a force than that ship was ever designed to like hold together under. Yeah, such it just splits in half. Yep. So at approximately two 18 a.m., it reached the peak all stress and it began to fail where exactly we don't know. A lot of guesses on that. You know, like there's if you ever want people to murder you

in the Titanic community, give your favorite breakup theory. I'm going to I'm going to stake one out now. Only one funnel above water. You know, passengers at the very least, they heard horrific groaning noises and all kinds of stuff coming from the ship, all kinds of cacophony and, you know, metal parting and all that. The lights, you know, they've been on all this time, finally went out. There's disagreement about whether all lights went out or some or whatever.

Some claim that at least one light was still on. Who knows? They were on the same like emergency generator, emergency magnesium thing from behind the bridge, right? No, there was none behind the bridge. The emergency dynamo was it's I forgot. I think it might have been in one of the it was in one of the engine casings. Way aft. Oh, OK, OK.

Yeah, but like either that like final short finally kills it once and for all. Yeah. Or like something slightly forward like gives it like one light left to light. Yeah. So I think there were some accounts that, you know, there were just a ton of sparks when it broke apart. The break up probably started forward of third funnel, more or less a clean break. But it wouldn't stay clean for long. The ship put it putting the Titanic in a cast so it can heal cleanly.

Yeah, like the ship basically broke apart. It wasn't just in the two sections. It was many sections with the bow and the stern being the main ones, but several large chunks in the middle in the area of the break were just pulled apart to, you know, it broke into these several sections and. You know, someone that may have broken away below the water or maybe they started to fall away after above water. You know, I think there was at least one account

that reported the ship appeared to break into three pieces. So who knows? Um, after the initial break, the stern fell or settled backwards into a level position somewhat. I the funnels probably fell on each section, although it's not certain if they both did. The double bottom fracture during the break into basically in three places, the bow, you know, it, you know,

totally gone a buoyancy, it went down, pulled on it a bit. And then it detached while this was happening, everything attached to the. To the double bottom would have just fallen out the last five boilers and boiler room one, those are all over the seafloor. Oh, man, the coal bunkers between boiler rooms, one and two, completely obliterated with their tons of coal just spilled out all over. Hey, but if you want to go down a bunch of like depth, free coal.

It's a good point. Yeah. Yeah, but it would have been if everybody talks about locally, like low background radiation steel. No, more important, free coal that go go and beckon. Yeah. Um, but it's one of those like one of those like under water, like remotely operated vehicles would just have a big shovel on the front of it. Oh, God. The funny thing is they did bring coal up. Really? They brought tons of coal up, actually, not literal tons,

but like they did bring a lot of coal up and they would they were selling it to at the exhibitions. So literally, free coal. Yeah. Um, it's hard to understate, though, just how messy this was. Like Pixar, the boiler room one, this entire huge room with full of machinery and catwalks just literally ripped apart. Everything, everything ripped apart. What you're telling me is that this this wreck on the seafloor may not be as full of skeletons as I had previously imagined, which is

vastly disappointing. Oh, those would have been dissolved a long time ago. Anyway, God fucking dammit, I thought it was spooky. No, no, it's not spooky. It's not a grave. It's nothing. It's just a wreck. But yeah, at any rate, you know, the bow, you know, it just detached from the stern. It goes down and it rips off a pretty good section of tank top plates with it.

It's thought that the two pieces of a double bottom held onto the stern as it went down before they eventually detached and then went flying off the way outside of the main wreck site. So, you know, as the stern flooded, St. Lawrence, the water ever increasing angle, still with a bit of a port list, probably it turned in a corkscrew motion as it went down, I don't know if the stern ever reached fully vertical. Some claimed it did.

Who knows? It sank in really deep water, right? That was one of the things that like complicated, like any kind of like exploration or recovery of the wreck until relatively late. If I recall, about 12,000 feet of water. Oof, yeah. Two and a half miles. You absolutely need a sort of a drone to do that then. That's not even that's not even something you can put someone in a pressure suit for. Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, you know, if you're down there

and you like your sub fails, you're being turned in the chunky marinara. Yeah. Mm hmm. More of like a meatball. That's true. So, you know, it's. You know, the angle of the deck at this point would have been just too extreme. People would have been falling off all over the place. And, you know, for a moment after the breakup, it did seem as if the stern might float to kick it, but no, no.

You know, Cecil Fitzpatrick watches the stern sink and the propellers are while out of the water. And he described the final plunge as a clean dive as ever was made by a fish. And then it went down with a swish on the decks. You know, passengers are seen to still be clean to decks and fittings like swarming bees and tumbling all around. It the stern almost seemed to float there for a short time. You know, mere moments, you know, bobbing there for a little bit

before it finally started to go under, you know, the air, the spot starting to flood. Read a lot of read a lot about shipwrecks, mostly in a military context on the fact that it's a civilian ship sort of like heads different, you know. Yeah. Yeah. We now commit them also remains to the deep until that day when the sea shall give up her dead, you know. And with that, you know, the stern sinks slowly in the water and, you know, the the masts, the well deck, the poop deck

gradually disappeared the propellers and then finally the fantail itself. You know, when that reached the water, you know, disappeared under the surface with a gulp, supposedly disturbing the water so little that Chief Baker Charles Yellen, who had been, you know, around that area at the time, he claimed that he was able to step off without even getting his hair wet. But he was also drunk. Well, again, this is this is the thing that you need to do is as as I am right now, you need to drink a bunch of water.

Yes. And then once you've drunk enough water that you can just sort of like escape without getting your hair must, then you just do that. I ran out of water. Now, you should you should you should get some more water. Yeah. Well, I have to go to the store for that water store. So when they ID me for water. So Bruce is me, you know, he was sitting in collapsible sea. He just turned away.

He didn't watch hard to blame him. He did not wish to see her go down, as you said. The time was two twenty a.m. April 15th, 1912. And and that was it. That was that that was the sinking of the Titanic. Yeah, effectively. It still had several minutes, a couple of minutes to go to the bottom. So, you know, the bow section had descended at about probably thirty

miles per hour at a stabilized downward angle. The bow, you know, the it plunged into the seabed as the water rushed past, it ripped a bunch of stuff off. It smashed the mast backwards. You know, the bow impacted the ocean floor. It dug deep into the mud. The aft end slammed down and the back of the bow was broken. Otherwise, relatively intact, other than maybe a downblast of water.

The break up on the stern, on the other hand, was absolutely terrific. Like horrific. Or like sort of like debris field that it leaves behind. Yeah. In fact, we can go to the next slide for this. Looking like the surface is the moon. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, the the stern. You know, basically any remaining sections of the middle, that middle area,

they just fell away or got ripped away. No, it's gone. They're just confessing. Yeah. The after grant staircase was obliterated. The the floor was, you know, ripped right out of the reception room. The boat deck peeled up and in in places and went over the side or detached, all plating detached. The engine room was stripped of its machinery, except for the engines. The forward cylinders of the engines had been torn off in the break up earlier.

The poop deck peeled up an aft. Entire sections of the after well deck just ripped off the ship. Vents, machinery, everything just off. Literally thousands of pieces from both sections, just countless tiles and all kinds of stuff just littered everywhere. Even insulating cork. Apparently, after the break up, there was just a ton of cork floating on the surface of the ocean.

Yeah. So, you know, there's eventually the stern slammed into the ocean floor. They're probably a lesser angle. It digs, it dug its stern frame into the mud and the wing propeller bossing's got bent upwards. You know, at that point, the week, the week all just, you know, it splayed out and it's just an absolute mess, just a complete mess. Even the turbine engine room got exposed. And, you know, once all the debris had settled,

it was just a massive field of mess. Like the bow section doesn't have much around it, but the stern does. Like on the right hand side, you see the stern is on the left of the image and everything out to the right of it. That's all pieces of the ship. And that's not even all of it. Yeah. And you can sort of see the scale of how far down it is by how far this is scattered.

Like it's just such an incredible mess. And they found all, you know, it's a lot of it's still identifiable, too. It's kind of amazing. And apparently, there are even funnels down there still, mostly rotting. The stuff that they brought up is just insane. Maybe not any sort of like Whitney Houston, Kevin Costner, necklaces. But like, like, as I say, you remember, Colonel Poochins, like necklace, not necklace, like his wallet with like his cards in it.

That was brought up from the wreck that survived on the passport of the iceberg. Why was this iceberg Saudi Arabian? All right. So who did Titanic? Titanic was perpetrated by our own government. The the looming iceberg. Yeah. Now, it was clearly Bush, obviously. Yeah. Stroke. So next slide, I guess.

We're getting there. We're getting there. Ah, Jinx, you owe me a coke. No. I know a Pepsi, actually. Yeah. So, you know, by the time of the sinking, yeah, again, the water temperature is 28 degrees, which I was at the the Pigeon Forge Titanic Museum, and they had this look. They have this little tub of water in there.

It's I think the same temperature or at least very near. And I put my hand in that and it hurt so badly instantly. Like, it's horrible. Like, I can't imagine being dunked into that hole. Yeah. Yeah. Lytallar described it as a thousand knives being driven into your body. Goddamn, this.

Very cold. Yeah. You know, at this temperature, you know, you're rendered helpless immediately by shock and, you know, within minutes, you'll be able. You're not going to be able to do much. You know, you'll be dead within an hour if you're lucky and, you know, half an hour. Yeah.

The really grim stuff is hearing like the sort of the arguments, the fights on the lifeboats that had gotten away about whether or not to go back for more survivors and like another thing that's more recurring from sort of military shipwrecks that I'm familiar with is like hearing cries for help and then hearing fewer of them and then hearing none. And that sort of like awareness that you've sort of like allowed that to happen is very, very grim. Yeah.

And, you know, the people in the water, you know, they were screaming and yelling and they're fighting each other for pieces of debris and who knows what. You know, once the ship was gone, it was just hundreds of people all defend for themselves until they rose. Yeah. Or drowned. Because, you know, eventually you're going to lose consciousness. It's grim stuff.

Yep. So, yeah, over the course of the next half hour to an hour, the screaming just subsided. The people were in the lifeboats not too far away and, you know, that they could hear the cries from the water and, you know, a lot of the survivors said that was something that would stick with them for the rest of their lives. Yeah.

We have the sort of like the unsinkable Molly Brown at this point is her sort of maintaining order on her lifeboat. Yeah. Apparently she even threatened quartermaster Hitchens because he was being a little bitch. Yeah. Well, don't don't be a little bitch then is my opinion. I think I don't know.

I mean, in the movie he threatened her by saying there'll be one less on this boat if you don't shut that hole in your face. But I think he said something like that in real life. I don't remember. Yeah. I think that might even be verbatim. Yeah. There's a surprising amount of stuff in the in the Titanic movie

that's verbatim or almost. Well, the thing is James Cameron is also very. This is like a special interest for him. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Which is, you know, a shame that he then made a movie that bad with Cameron Costner and Whitney Houston. Yeah.

I couldn't watch that one, honestly. But, you know, the people in the boats, you know, they they consensus among most of them was that, you know, it was too dangerous to go back and look for people, you know, they're going to swamp us and drag us down and kill us. And it's our lives now. Yeah. Again, literally lifeboat ethics.

Yeah. You know, by now, like Tyler pulled himself in the collapse will be Archibald Gracie too. And some strengths to be doing that after having been in, you know, hypothermia inducing water to like lift your own weight up a wet rope onto a boat. Yeah. And, you know, as the sounds died down, the passengers across some

of the boats gathered together under Officer Low. Yeah. I know he had some of them like lash themselves together for safety. Yeah. Some of the boats were tied together and then he took boat 14 with some crew and he rode back into the area of the sinking to look for people.

But like they were mostly gone by then. But by that point, it's just over, you know, you're going to find bodies at best. Yeah. They only picked up a few, including again, I think the last person was one of the Chinese men who was picked up. And of course, Baker Yowhen, he was in the water. I forgot under the exact circumstances.

Nicely, nicely toasted at that point. Yeah. Yeah. He's drunk as fuck. He's like just floating there in his life raft and completely drunk. And yeah, no, he's going to be fine. I just, honestly, Yowhen is my favorite character in the whole Titanic.

Easily. Easily. Just hit the booze, taken a nice easy step off the rack and then wake up in New York. Easy. Yeah. Speaking of which, I'm going to go and piss again. I'll be right back.

All right. Meanwhile, we're five. Dear, well, we can, oh, well, you know, we're still on this slide. Yeah. But yeah, so the Carpathia arrives at around 3 30 a.m. Shooting off a rocket's signal or arrival. And, you know, lifeboats start to row towards it. Lifeboat two is the first to be picked up at about 4 10 a.m.

40 minutes after the rocket sighting. Lifeboat 12 is the last one to be picked up by Carpathia at around 8 10 a.m. Many ships had heard an answer to the stress calls reports of the sinking. One of those was the Olympic. Apparently Olympic initially intended to sail towards the site. But I believe they were told to stay away.

And I think one of the reasons for that might have been, you know, Olympic was an identical copy of Titanic. How creeped out would you be if you just stepped onto a ship that was exactly like the one that just sunk. Oh, shit. I don't want this. So yeah, Olympic stayed away. And by 8 50 a.m.

April 15th, Carpathia finished picking up lifeboats survivors and, you know, had looked briefly for people in the water. But, you know, obviously that's fruitless. So Carpathia set sail for New York. Excuse me. I had a few, too many glasses of water. You know, Carpathia arrives in New York on April 18th, docking at pier 54 at 9 52 p.m.

By then news of Titanic sinking was all over the world. Like it's the only thing anyone could talk about. It even starts reminds me of another apocryphal thing of like an Aberdeen local newspaper who whose headline on the disaster was Aberdeen man, comma, others killed in shipwreck. Oh, wow. That is. Wow.

I'm sure it's not true, but it does amuse me to think of that sort of like level of parochialism. I kind of wish it was true. That would be funny. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, even before Titanic sank, the news was spreading like wildfire as they say, you know, which might

have helped melt the iceberg. This is true. Yeah. So, you know, by the 15th, you know, everyone knew Titanic was gone. You know, it was a new story of the day. Like that day someone, the first woman had even crossed the English Channel via plane and nobody knew about it because

all they could talk about was Titanic. Hmm. This was like 20th century 9 11. Yeah. Yeah, basically. You know, most survivors are let off Carpathia at the pier, but third class passengers. I think they had to wait, wait there to be processed.

You know, they didn't go through Alice Island, but they still have to be processed. You have to change all of your son names. You have to make sure you have to make all that you get sent back. Oh, Jesus. And that happened. And that happened to the Chinese men.

They got sent back because of the exclusion. In fact, the Chinese men is kind of a sad story. I mean, they got, they were not missing. They were mostly lost to history for a long time. Only recently there was a documentary called The Six that came out that talks about them, which incidentally I did some graphics for. So that's that was interesting.

Um, but, um, yeah. So now not great. You know, it's, you know, welcome to our country unless you're, you know, unless we don't want you or your Chinese. Yeah. So. Absolutely. America is a horrific country.

I've heard this. Yes. Uh, you know, outside the pier, there were reportedly, you know, 35 ambulances at one point and also, uh, a crowd of possibly 30,000. Hmm. Well, like, again, because there was nothing better to do, that was like your only entertainment at that point was

to go and see a bunch of like people with frostbite or thermia. Yeah. Uh, excellent. So, you know, the body recovery, you know, commenced not too long after four shifts. We can talk about a single Canadian man inadvertently, uh, devising the format that will be used for all like mass

casualty identification afterwards. Really? Well, why don't you talk about that? Absolutely. As soon as like Google it to remember, to make sure I remember the right guy. Thomas Biles? No.

That's not right. That's not right. Come on. Find me the fucking guy. Well, while you look for it, I'll run through real quick, which is that, you know, the four ships, you know, they were chartered by the White Star Line, the McKay Bennett, the CS Minia, a cable ship, uh, the CGS Monts, uh, Magni and the

SS, uh, Algerine. Uh, in total, in total, approximately 334 bodies were recovered from the ocean by the ships. Um, though this number varies depending on the source, this is only about 23% of the total dead. Um, other ships not tasked with recovery did come across bodies. Uh, for example, the SS Bremen, you know, passed through

the area on April 20th and the captain, uh, captain Wilhelm, uh, reportedly said that there were men, women and children all had life preservers on. I counted 125 then you're sick of the site. Founder John Henry Barnstead, the registrar of Harold of Halifax, Nova Scotia, uh, who was already like very much at the end of his career. He was 20.

He was, uh, excuse me. He was 67. Um, he coordinated the retrieval cataloging burial of Titanic victims, uh, devising a system of cataloging mass disaster remains distilled in use. Uh, each body is placed in a sealed bag stentable with a unique number. Uh, everything else is destroyed to avoid souvenir

hunters. And then they place the personal belongings in a sealed bag and then they make a description of absolutely sort of everything on the body, including distinguishing marks and then you sort of like ID from there. And that's, that's still been in use. Like they identified Titanic victims from this in 2001. Oh, absolutely.

And just like this thing that you can like do as a hobby essentially is like invent this method of cataloging mass death is it's very bleak, but it's almost inspiring in some ways. I guess in a way it's just another one of those little things that Titanic ended up inadvertently causing to happen that we just do now. Well, the fun thing is he managed to get to use this

again a second time after the Halifax explosion. Yeah, directly in his backyard. That's not good. So, you know, after that, two separate inquiries are set up in the wake of the disaster. One in America led by Senator Willie Maldon Smith. I have something about this one, particularly, which was like, it was ridiculed in the UK, partly for like sort of

partisan reasons, but also because Smith was sort of like auto didactic about this. And so he asked a lot of questions that seemed very basic. And so he spoke to Lowe, who I think was the fifth officer, and Smith asked him, do you know what an iceberg is composed of? And Lowe said, I suppose ice, sir.

And that got such a laugh at the hearing that it was reported in British newspapers. My understanding of that, it was just like a weird standard question that was being asked, but it sounds so stupid. Yeah, yeah. What's an iceberg made of? Ice.

Ice. Ice. Distinguish from other kinds of birds like rock birds or wood birds. Well, his next question was, have you ever heard of an iceberg being composed not only of ice, but of rock and earth and other substances? So, yeah, that was clearly where he was leading with

this. But yeah, no. The interesting thing is icebergs can have like rocks and stuff embedded in them from like the crap they pick up from the glaciers. Hmm. Well, in this case, Lowe did not think so. And so Smith was ridiculed in Britain for this.

Yeah. And of course, the one in Britain was led by Lord Mercy. Broadly, both inquiries reached similar conclusions. The number of lifeboats that regulations called for was vastly out of date. Captain Smith failed to heat ice warnings to a satisfactory degree.

Lifeboats are not crude properly or filled with capacity. The collision happened because Titanic sailed into an ice field at high speed. Both also heavily criticized Captain Lord and the Californian for his lack of action rightfully. So additionally, they didn't find faults. They didn't really find fault elsewhere.

You know, like neither found negligence by the companies involved, you know, for whatever faults of the White Star Line or anyone for, you know, maybe not being enthusiastic about having more boats. They didn't really do anything wrong, Versailles. The company, you know, the companies had followed standard practices of the time, however short-sighted

they had been. You can't sue White Star Line. Yeah. The disaster could only really be categorized as an act of God. Very convenient. A mysterious act of God's love. Once again.

The British inquiry found Smith simply followed long-standing practice which had been, which had not been on safe up to that point. And that, you know, they pointed out that 3.5 million passengers had been carried over the last decade with only 73 lives lost in accidents. Until now. Until now.

We got some. It's an outlier and should not be counted. It's a black swan. Yeah. But we got some changes from this. Not least. My favorite named organization in the world. As we see, if we look at this, this U.S.

Coast Guard Hercules in the bottom middle here, we have the International Ice Patrol. The coolest sounding job for the most boring sounding thing. And now mostly staffed by Americans, but like the idea is you report on the locations of icebergs. So this doesn't happen again.

Yeah. And, you know, in addition to that, that's, you know, that was established in 1914. And then also at the same time, the Solace Treaty, the, what was it? Saving of life at sea. Yeah. So, you know, and even today that, you know,

there were different versions, you know, in 1929, 40, 60, 74, 88, so on with updates. And that's the, that's the main sort of guiding regulations treaty for safety of ships today. Now currently being wildly disregarded by British Home Secretary Perti Patel in the English Channel. But yes, no, still, still international law, as much as that's a thing.

And places a sort of responsibility, a duty of care on masters of all ships to save life where they can, which is of course would never be flouted since. Yeah. Next thing. Now we've got to get to the James Cameron aspect, which is finding the damn thing again.

Yeah. So for the longest time, it had just disappeared into history. Yeah. There were so many ridiculous schemes to find it. Like even before they even had a hope of finding it, people are like, well, what if we threw dynamite down there and blew it up and then it would have just surfaced or something.

Fill it with foam, ping pong balls, whatever. There's no way you could raise that. Like you raise it, it just falls apart into dust. Yeah. No way. I mean, the, I mean, at least of all, like the stern, I mean, it's already fallen apart. It's very like, I don't know,

it's compelling to people, I guess, the idea that like we can raise this thing, but like what it's created is this sort of like time capsule of like 1910s life, I guess. I mean, what are you going to do once you've raised it? Like where are you going to put it in a museum, I guess? I think the more pressing issue would be to find the iceberg and bring it to justice.

Once again, go like Steve's or so, you're going to take some dynamite and you're going to blow that iceberg. Look, listen, listen, we've been getting justice against the iceberg by putting shit in the atmosphere for decades now. Absolutely. We are melting icebergs faster than that iceberg could possibly have imagined.

So, you know, the discovery of the wreck, you know, it was finally discovered on September 1st, 1985 by a joint U.S. and French expedition, you know, aboard the ship, nor RV, nor, you know, top image here. You know, the American side was led by Dr. Robert W. Ballard and the French led by Jean-Louis Michel. Again, you had to use these, like,

remotely operated vehicles to do it. It's an early example of drones doing something humans can't. Yeah, basically, they, you know, they kind of towed this vehicle. I don't remember if it was called Argo or Angus or something like that. Back and forth over the ocean, basically in a lawn mower kind of motion,

and they did this over, you know, a good bit on, you know, multiple days covering different areas, you know, whatever the last coordinates were. And, you know, they were starting to lose hope, I think. But, you know, finally, they started coming across debris and then they found, you know, one of the boilers and, you know, they grabbed a photo of one of Titanic's boilers and it's like, yep, that's it.

And they eventually found, like, the rest of the wreck, too. I don't know, like, how much more uncomfortably wide that American flag is than that French flag, you know? Yeah. It's like compensating for something. Yeah, that is a little weird, isn't it? Interesting thing, too, is that, you know,

it wasn't known at the time, but Bellard was doing work. He was out there basically documenting two U.S. nuclear subs that had sunk. Huh. And, you know, but that was top secret at the time. So the public cover of it was that he was searching for Titanic. And, you know, the government basically told him, yeah, you know, sort of looked for Titanic, you know, supported him on that.

It would have been awkward if the nuclear sub had, like, sunk directly on top of the Titanic. They had to blur out those images. I can't show you this. But hey, you know, because the subsunk, we found Titanic, in a way. Thanks. Thanks again to the Cold War for, you know, driving innovation. But of course, as we know, the fact that this finding of Titanic exists

in the popular imagination through the Kevin Costner, Whitney Houston movie Titanic. There's a lot of, like, sort of, like, popular culture Titanic. Like, there's so many fucking Titanic movies. Yes. About which, I mostly want to talk about the Nazi one. Right. Because this was one of the great, sort of, like, pre-war pieces of propaganda.

And it entirely depends on this, like, fascist idea of masculinity, that, like, J. Bruce Isma, in particular, is, like, this, sort of, corporatist, because you have this, like, pre-war Nazi, like, sop to the left. This corporatist, extremely Jewish, self-interested, cowardly, sort of, like, a corporate figure who is, like, opposed by the store masculinity of the bridge crew. And it's just, it's not the case.

But it was a very compelling narrative. And it was one that, in particular, like, appealed to, sort of, like, older people, who had, like, a lot of, you know, like, appealed to, sort of, like, older people who remembered this happening and who remembered this happening being reported in ways that they, sort of, like, half remembered and that were kind of unclear. And that, sort of, like, lacuna was enough to, like, enable it to be used for fascist propaganda very effectively.

Hmm. Mind you, of course, the fascists then had their own Titanic with the Wilhelm Gustloff, but that's another episode. Oh, boy. But, yeah, the pop culture is just, like, there's just so much crap out there. I mean, I heard a figure that, out of, like, the top three written about subjects is the Bible, the American Civil War, and Titanic. And I don't know if that's true, but it sounds true.

It's this, sort of, like, generational trauma almost. Which is strange for something that, like, I mean, okay, I killed a lot of people, but, like, relatively speaking, it's a small thing, but the effect that it had, I think, largely is due to, like, the telegraph and due to, like, mass media, its effect got magnified and it was the first, sort of, big news event to become this, like, global event. Yeah, I mean, it's, I think, I think Titanic marked, basically, the death of a previous era and the start of a new one.

Yeah, it's this, like, loss of innocence almost. And, you know, basically, the brave new world, you know, things started changing radically after Titanic, not because of it, but, you know, like, it just happened to happen, I think, for the most part. Oh, yeah, it's like a wildly artificial narrative, because, as we know, Olympic and Britannics sailed through the First World War, so did Lusitania and all of the others. But, like, just this idea of, like, this, sort of, like,

carefree lifestyle being lost and then the world is, like, plunged into warfare is very compelling in its own way. Yeah, you know, the world just, you know, the old world went down with Titanic and, you know, then with it, you know, in its place just a ridiculous amount of pop culture. Yeah, or this sort of, like, ancient chivalric thing of, like, John Jacob Astor or Isidore Strauss is replaced with, sort of, modernity. And it's completely erased that the fact that they died was because of this, sort of, like, modernist conveyance that they were sailing on.

And, you know, the funny thing about, you know, the, like, the pop culture is that, so, you know, I wanted to kind of run through a couple of these movies, too, because... Oh, please, yeah. Like, so the first Titanic movie was saved from the Titanic. It was made 29 days after Titanic sank. Wow. Instant press books.

Not any different, you know. It was sort of straight-to-DVD thing. It was co-written and starred Dorothy Gibson, who was a Titanic survivor. Jesus. It's now a lost film, and I think... Don't recall it me, but I think Gibson suffered a mental breakdown after that. No kidding. Oh, hey, these guys from Hollywood want to make you relive the worst day of your life

a month after it happened. Yeah. Another notable Titanic movie made that year was... And I'm going to butchered his German in Nacht und Eis. No, pretty close. Oh, good. There's, like, a bunch of Germans that work on my Titanic project, so, like, apparently. But that was made in 1912, in Night and Ice.

A German silent film. It used to be lost, but it was found in 1998, so cool. And then, of course, you know, 1943, the Nazis. The big one. Yeah. The sort of, like, the big Ufer project. Yeah. You know...

It's wild retcon stuff. Like, the idea is that there's the... Of the bridge crew of the deck department, there is this German officer who, like, randomly up, you know, like, sort of, like, upholds Teutonic standards of manhood and manliness. But is overruled at every turn by Smith, who is this sort of, like, English buffoon, and by Esme, who is this sort of, like, anti-Semitic caricature. Yeah. It's a wildly influential film.

I highly recommend watching it, but it's, like, repulsive. It's a difficult watch, but you should do it. Yeah, apparently some of the sinking footage from that was even used in a later movie, I think. I don't remember which one. There were so many Titanic movies. You know, in the Nazi film in particular, it was the... Apparently the first one to be called Titanic.

You know, just Titanic. And also the first to mix fictional subplots with characters in the Titanic story. Of course, we all know about the Capricornia. It was, you know, it's, you know, the ship itself that was filmed on was sunk, apparently mistakenly, by RAF pilots and killing about 5,000 people, a lot of them prisoners of war, which is, you know, several times the 1,500 that died on Titanic. Yeah. So, you know, that's an Oopsy-Daisy.

You know, then there was Titanic, 1953, starring Clifton Webb and Barbara Stanwyck. Cooky Couser American film, you know. A Night to Remember in 1958. And it was more of a British Daki drama based on Walter Lorde's book of the same name, starring Kenneth Moore, often considered one of the most historically accurate Titanic films. And it's hard to argue with that. You know, I watched it recently and it's surprising how much kind of stands up to like the actual story.

For example, the way they show the boiler room scene. It's, you know, they don't all go running for the, you know, the watertight door. It kind of plays out more realistically. And like it really is a pretty decent film when it comes to Titanic history. For 1958, you have a lot of extras who have like recently served on warships, which is to your right there, I think. Yeah. And they had the benefit also of like a couple of survivors of Titanic still being around

to advise. And, you know, one of the few exceptions to accuracy was that there's no breakup scene because, you know, they still thought it sunk intact by that point. And even by 1980, you know, they hadn't found the wreck yet. So we got Raise the Titanic, which was adapted from Clive Custler's novel, the same name, about an attempt to raise the ship, you know, to recover this mineral for a weapons defense program. The book, the book was a lot more exciting than the movie.

There was like a battle in the first class dining saloon and there's like a sex scene in one of the suites. And so with all the mold and mildew. Yeah. The sort of grain of truth here is that that, you know, these shipwrecks are valuable. Titanic is sort of too hysterically valuable, but like that sort of like low background radiation steel, because one of the fun things about bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki and then doing a decade or two of atomic tests is that all of the steel that we can make now has

some level of background radiation in it that is significantly higher than previously. And so if you want to make steel that has a low background radiation, like for MRI machines or things of that nature, you have to get it off of a sunken battleship. Well, we're actually pretty close to with the nuclear test ban treaty. We're pretty close to the point where we can make new low background steel, or at least that is my impression. Yeah, actually already be there. Yeah, we don't have to like dive down to the fucking like scarper flow fleet.

So yeah, of course, that was a ridiculous film that we get to. Well, actually in 1990. Wait, shit, that's that's still Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park, yes. You son of a bitch. You actually did it. Actually, there was a there was right before Titanic came out in the main movie. There was a mini series for TV that came out in 96.

It started Tim Curry and I forgot what her name was. Justin Absolute. Tim Curry is a very fun choice for this by the way. He played a he played like this evil steward on the ship. And it's pretty horrific. It's kind of not that great. But then we get to 1997. The James Cameron, Whitney Houston, Kevin Costner movie,

which got some stupid number of Oscars. Eleven Oscars are Academy Awards, as they say. It's a good number. And, you know, it's it was the highest grossing film of the time for 12 years. It was also the most expensive at 200 million. And it was almost it seemed when it was being made, it seemed like the executives at the studios had no faith in it. They thought it was going to fail.

They thought, why are we doing this? Why are we giving Cameron so much money? James Cameron loves diving. Yes. It's true. He he got, you know, he just got super interested in Titanic because, you know, even before that and. And, you know, and all this is to say nothing like all the other crap that's come up.

I mean, all the video games, musicals, books, songs, board games, arcade games, who knows what, you know, everything that's based on Titanic story, even the game I've been working on for like 12 years. Like it's my whole life is Titanic. My Twitter, my Twitter header is not a lie. That's why we get a six hour Titanic episode. Yes. In three parts.

This this down here looks like a set up for some kind of Gilbert and Sullivan operetta about the Titanic. So, you know, it's. Jay Bruce is my sing. Yeah. So, you know, what we're left with is, you know, it's just this story that's. Oh, also that picture of that guy in the top. That's he's hauling the model that was used and raised the Titanic.

And it was like 55 feet long. Wow. Maybe maybe that's all of our fate is like if we are remembered at all, it's dimly as the sort of like morality thing. Yeah. And, you know, it's Titanic has this effect on people. Like I said, I've been obsessed with this damn ship for most of my life at this point.

And I don't know why. And the same for I think most others who are into Titanic, like it's it's strangely compelling, isn't it? I mean, you know, I know that it's got, you know, this episode is five and a half hours long. So far it's going to be longer with all the other stuff. But like, you know, it's not for no reason. I mean, no, there's so much to this story that even with this,

I think we've left a ton of stuff out. It's one of those sort of historical events where like the people who were there and who are around it and who are alive at that time compiled so much information that it's like one of those inflection points where like you can find details on so much at that point because it fascinated people so much. And like that that's so rare in history until modern until modern times that it's very, it's very compelling in itself. Yeah.

And, you know, even on just a basic level, there's just something kind of, I don't know, alluring or mysterious about the ship. And, you know, that's been a big area of mine is, you know, I remember, you know, I was living in Arizona when I first kind of got interested in Titanic, the marketing of the movie was going around. I remember getting like a 3D puzzle of the ship and I saw the movie a few years, a couple of years later when it was on VHS. Back when that was a thing, the zoomers, for you zoomers, you know,

the VHS tapes just so you know. So, you know, and my interest just exploded after that. I just don't know, you know, here I am, you know, however many years later, I've been trying to recreate this ship with the, you know, some other people, you know, with the Titanic honor and glory. And, you know, that's what a lot of the images you've seen here, the CG images have been from. And I don't know, you know, within all of us, you know, all the people who are

working on that same thing, you know, just why, you know, why, why spend that much time on this, why be this interested in Titanic. And I've tried to explain it and I still can't. You know, I'm going to be honest, I never really got into it. Hey, it's not for everyone. Yeah, I've never been a big Titanic guy. You know, some people are immune. I think, I think we need more Hindenburg content.

That's my opinion. I can agree with that. Oh, I know someone who has a piece of the Hindenburg. I once held a piece of the Hindenburg and the Titanic in my hand simultaneously. Yeah, like buying them together like now kiss. Yeah, basically. Well, what did we learn from this six hour experience? Double hull, more lifeboats.

If you get a chance to get off a boat in Ireland, do it. If you're offered a place on the lifeboat, take it. Yeah, if you ever have an opportunity to dress up as a woman, take it. I mean, I've been doing that all my life. You know, if you're ever anywhere, yeah, if you're ever anywhere and people are like, you know, I think we hit something, you might want to get out soon as possible. Yeah, know your exits, know your escape plan. This has been the Titanic.

We have a segment on this podcast called Safety Third. Justin, do you want me to read this one or would you prefer to read it? I'll read it. I think I can do this. Okay. Greetings, Justin and Alice and hey, Liam. Liam's not here. Liam has left. Sorry.

I'm an arborist in a particularly under regulated state in the southern half of the United States. Dangerous. I've accrued enough material over the course of my career to keep this segment chugging along for months, which we don't have time for. Oh, I don't know. But in the interest of keeping it to about a page, more or less, I won't tell about the time or two. I've nearly killed myself and will instead focus on an anecdote that makes someone else

look like an asshole. No. Nice. No, not the guy who told me if I ever fell off a ladder, I was fired before I hit the ground. Another asshole. I started my career working for a small tree company that within the previous six months had to completely replace their crew.

I was brand new to the industry. And on the day I started, my foreman had exactly four months more experience than I did. There were a couple other guys on the crew as well, both liberal arts dropouts like myself with one and two months experience respectively. The owner of the company was a competent arborist those three or four decades, but he was almost always selling work. He was almost always off selling work or putting out fires rather than on site teaching us how to do the work he was selling.

He was also a legendarily bad trainer. He used to stand on the ground with a laser pointer while we were up in a tree and would grow increasingly frustrated. We couldn't see the little bobbing green light on the bottom of the branch we were standing on. So shit like that. He was also in the way of small business owners everywhere, a profoundly cheap motherfucker who never, ever, ever wanted to spend money or throw old equipment away.

Our chipper truck was of such vintage and condition that every morning we had to check the gas level by sticking a broom handle down into the tank like something out of Waterworld. Okay, great. Sheds full of old rusted saw change that he would never get around to sharpening 20-year-old rakes with broken handles, you know, that sort of thing and old rope, so much old rope. Oh, that's dangerous. This sounds safe. There are some safety facts about old rope.

I don't need safety facts about old rope. It's dangerous as shit. Rope that is used for either climbing or rigging must be replaced on a regular rotation. The rope is older than a year or two or that is showing wear and tear should ideally be cut up and thrown away or at very least marked clearly and used only for non-weight-bearing functions such as tagline or tie-downs. This is because rope degrades with a use in age and the weight rating becomes ingreasingly meaningless.

Yeah, it's a biological material unless your rope is all made of oil, which, you know, some is, then like it's going to rot, man. What you aren't supposed to do is save every length of climbing line you have ever purchased and leave it hanging in the cab of your chipper truck unlabeled and growing increasingly gray and indistinguishable with the years. Yeah, it's a like rave-y mirror hanger. I know this all now. I did not know this then, nor did anyone else on our crew.

What we did know is that we'd been reading old arboriculture news and various reference materials in the office before heading out each morning and we decided that rigging looked cool and we should try it sometime. Not that we had been trained in rigging, mind you. We just liked the idea of dropping big chunks of trees supported by rope and wanted to try it for ourselves. Well, it came to pass that we found ourselves removing a large elm at a funeral home. Tree was growing at the back of the driveway immediately adjacent to the building with

minimal space on the other side between the tree and the fence. It was a tight constricted space, which means you climb the tree and you have to take it down in small pieces that you drop down to the base of the tree. Or, you know, what competent tree crews do is rig big pieces down into the drop zone using their equipment and training. What we had been doing all morning was dropping small pieces. Now, by early afternoon, it was hot and we cut down all our shade, leaving just a trunk, maybe 25 feet in the air.

One of my co-workers, who was a guy named Jake, who we'll call Jake, was up in the tree complaining about how hot it was. One of us got the bright idea that this is the perfect time to try out this rigging thing we've been reading about. We could have that tree on the ground with maybe three more cuts. Someone fetched one of the mystery ropes from the chipper truck and passed it up to Jake. Oh, no. Jake very carefully made some choices, watching from the ground experienced a sudden wave

of uncertainty in nausea, which I have since learned means you put your hands up and yell for everyone to stop what they're doing and reconsider what's about to happen. Now, Jake tied off the section of trunk, a six foot section that made maybe 1,500 pounds, which was a perfectly reasonable section of trunk under normal circumstances. He then started his saw and began to cut. The rest of us stood on the ground holding the rigging line, which had been wrapped around an adjacent tree for support. Jake, no.

The section finally began to tilt and then fell, separating from the tree. Now, friends, the rope did not even slow the trunk section down. It stopped instantly. The 1,500 pound section of trunk plummeted to the ground at the base of the tree, missing the roof of the funeral home by inches. There was a long moment of perfect silence, and then Jake yelled, Motherfucker in shock. Someone cleared their throat behind us and returned to see the owner of the funeral home, who had wandered out to watch us work.

Now, amazingly, nothing was harmed other than our boss's professional reputation. I assume he never worked for that particular funeral home again. I know I have never since made use of a rope whose provenance I was not very confident of. That's fine. Yes. So, thanks for the podcast. Stay safe out there. And for the love of God.

Don't work for any company too small to have a safety office. Well, our company is three, well, four people. So, yeah, fingers crossed. There's not that many hazards in podcasting. Well, then again, that's what they said about steamships. That's a good point. Well, that was safety third. Shake hands for danger.

Our next episode is on the Boston molasses disaster. Kyle, if people want more Kyle after six hours of Kyle, if people want more Kyle, where can they find more Kyle? Well, they can follow me on Twitter at boldly building to that's boldly as in the Star Trek boldly going boldly building to. So, or yeah, it's the it's the I'm the Titanic guy. This is Titanic header. It's I've got the Grover house post. It's not hard to miss. Yeah.

That's right. Well, this has been an episode of well as your problem. Thank you to Justin for being on possibly three episodes. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for Liam for coming on for like a two thirds of it. I have been Alice Coldwell Kelly. We will see you in, I guess, three weeks time. Depending Lord.

Yeah. Well, bye everyone. Bye everyone. Bye.