Well There‘s Your Problem - NEWSBRIEF: Corredor Interoceanico Derailment

Episode Date: January 18, 2026

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Okay, so you want to talk about sterile. I have been for for gamete storage purposes in the NHS jerking off room, which is like, it's like a kind of tiny like guna bunker in the real, like in the bowels of your local hospital, some subterranean like basement sub level five. Oh, I'd had a window, which I did like luxury, luxury. I was in an entirely like vinyl and formica room with no. windows with a drop ceiling with a lazy boy that felt like it was bolted to the floor and the collection of like the like worst pornography I've ever said like magazine is directly out of the

1970s they were just like use your phone and I was like I don't want I ended up using my phone but I was in I was in like the sub basement Guna bunker so I couldn't even get fucking signal so I was just like looking at this like this is a very first of all this is a very kind of normative sexually sort of like sexual orientation selection of pornography here. It's very heterosexual, first of all. Do you have anything a bit less awful?

And also, it's, you know, aesthetically quite dated. I love that if you're walking to the lobby being like, do you anything more modern? Like, I don't think of you. Right now. So, like, the NHS, our beloved socialist medical system pays for you to store

gametes for like two years, right? And then you to make your mind up and then they start charging you. And I kind of want to, because they've given me the letter being like, what do you want to do about this? We have your cum in a freezer. Start paying us for it. And I almost want to write it and be like, I paid already. I paid in the most like emotionally alienating rank of my life.

Like I, I, it felt like I came out of that room kind of like stripped down to my soul. It was like a confessional. It was bad. I just, yeah, we should do a sync point so that the audio works. Hi, Devin. I was about to say, all of that was recorded. Good. Okay, fine.

I don't care. That's fine. No, but you've killed me. Someone else who's also been in the GUN, the NHS Goon Dungeon. Twice. Yeah. Yeah. But at least they didn't make me go back.

At least they were happy with whatever kind of, they refused no loads. Oh, no. I had to go back. I had to go back, sister. I chose to go twice because I was like I'm doing a backup advance freeze just in case I don't perform on the day. I thought it was a bad thing to do and it meant that I just was in the very odd. It had an emergency button which I just was.

Yeah. Hit that. What how bad could a wank be that you need to get emergency? It's also there was something there's something about that. like asking it. Hey, could you bring me like a diet Pepsi, please? Just like,

there's also, there's something about the procedure of the NHS wank where it's like they have so clearly had to design a procedure that is like proof against you flashing the nurse, right? Because you are jerking off. And so they anticipate a certain level of perversion.

And so it's very much like, no, you have to like come out of the room fully clothed. and we will mention this to you in detail. It's like, okay, don't treat me like some kind of guna just because you want my cum. We should do the same point. The emergency button must be like if you need to end the wank really quickly. So it shows you a picture of-

When I slap my hand on the balls, I'd like you to bring the wang to a controlled stop. Yeah. I might have dropped a picture of the panic alarm. Oh, it says panic alarm, okay. Yeah, yeah, it immediately flashes a picture, the most unsexy thing you can think of, I don't know, probably Henry Kissinger or something.

Clarkson just appears. I'm awful. I'm just imagining the nurse like coming on the air come. Are you okay? No, I'm having a stroke. Yeah, that's the point. No, I'm having a stroke. Oh, dear.

This isn't going to be a short one I thought it was, is it? Oh, right. That's not only what people say in the Goon Cave either. We have Emma on the Discord. So perhaps this was wasted. No, I think M.A. can just join. Oh, I could just join. That would be ideal.

And then we do the sync point. So all of my, all of my advocacy for the sync point is, it's a sunk cost fallacy. Did you join? Join. Join. Join. Join or die. Join or die.

My mic is in my way. Oh, wait. I think, okay, we're all here. Hi, Emma. Hi, join. I joined, oh God. Sorry, I was finishing a thumbnail about Maduro and I got mixed up, sorry. It's all good. Finding the most ominous possible picture of Trump. Oh, Lord.

Please know. That's a, that's a cornucopia of images that she's struck there. Yeah. I think, I think the classic there is the, the one that he chose is his second term portrait. Yeah, that it's, it's just his shoulders are cut off so I had to like mess with them. Just, Also, I fit the World Cup thing in there because my pitch is that Mexico should leave the World Cup in protest because this is some Berlin Olympics ship. Yeah, absolutely. It's truly some Berlin Olympics shit. Oh, yeah, big time. Anyways, I'm here.

I'm so sorry. We were just all talking about jerking it. Yeah, we're just all talking about jerking it. Yeah, but in a clinical setting. Yeah, hey, I, you know, M.A., what's your worst jerk story, bud? We don't have hate back here, so I don't think I can tell it. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, this was born of the discovery that no fewer than three of us have had to, like, jerk off for medical reasons in a hospital. And, and so, like, this, this led to anecdotes.

Anyway, if we can get local or a couple of us. recordings going and then do a sync point. Perhaps we can start the podcast about the thing where a lot of people died. You know, that'll be a nice shift in tone. Oh, fuck, I forgot. That's why we were gathered here today because because like more than a dozen people were killed. Yeah. Oh, we're going to get yelled at.

We're going to get yelled at. Entirely predictable. Entirely predictable fashion. But we were here talking about creating life. That is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is Dixonian level Smith. I like that. Okay.

Justin, do you want to lead us in? I'm going to say 3 to 1 mark. You're going to clap 3, 2, 1 mark. That's fine. It just needs to be close enough.

Yeah. And I guess we can do the podcast. Yes. Yes. Hello and welcome to Well, there's your problem. It's a podcast about engineering

disasters with slides. A huge cast. And usually we do disasters after they happen. In this case, we predicted one before it happened and it happened. Anyway, I'm Justin Rosniak. I'm the person who's talking right now.

My pronouns are he and him. Okay, go. I am November Kelly. I'm the person who's talking now. My pronouns are she and her. Yay, Liam. Hi. My name is Liam McAllenerson. My pronouns are he, him. I'm the person to talk right now. And we have just like a litany of guests, frankly. Three whole guests.

Three whole guests. Decide amongst yourselves who is guest one. Okay, as the person who inadvertently talk first, I'll say my name. No, in fact, I won. M.A. is here. M.A. Hi. Excuse yourself.

Oh, I guess. Hi, I'm M. Flores. They them, A.J. views speak Spanish. With an X if you're nasty. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Scooter. I'm, I got it.

I got it. Hi, I'm angry scooter. pronouns are he, they. And I'm Gareth Dennis. The guy who's definitely a guest who is once a host. It gets very confusing. But it's a delight to be here. My pronouns are he and him.

Yeah, sort of host emeritus. The only qualified person here, so very, very needed host. Yeah, and doesn't Mexico let me know about it in my mentions? Cry, people get there. See, you get it in the mentions. I get in the DMs. I don't know why they all come to me that way, but it's always the DMs and they're like trying to gotcha me. My DMs are turned off.

What the fuck is that, Roz? That was a big sneeze. Fleshing. Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of a, it's like a kind of a news brief episode where it's just we talk about this thing that happened. If you want some context, some essential context, then you got to go back and listen to the episode we did about the inter-Oceanic corridor.

Yes. So, yeah, I guess this whole episode is the goddamn news. Do you want to? Yeah, okay. Oh, fuck, that's loud. Jesus, right. Jesus, wet. Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It should be. That's just how loud than news are. I have changed no settings. That's baffling to me. Okay. Still optimized for the live show. I don't know.

Big sound for big news. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, we're, it's so, yeah, the corridor inter-Oceanico train in Mexico along the isthmus there, derailed and killed 14 people now. As is up to 14? It's up to 14 now, yeah. Yeah, as of 1726 at 508 p.m. Eastern. Yes.

Because boy, howdy, is this an updating situation? I was bad to say. There's still very much, a lot of things are in flux. I figured it would be good for us to talk about it because we did sort of predict something like this would happen on this particular railroad. But don't take anything here as like, you know, the gospel, right? We're going to try not to make like any crazy predictions

or crazy speculation or anything. But we will shoot down other people's crazy speculation. Yeah, this is the thing that I want to upfront this is lots of people were shouting at me and us of saying, wait, but you're walking back from what you said back in the podcast. No, we weren't. In the original recording, we were talking about all of the crazy shit that could happen because of how this whole caboodle has been set up.

What we were doing when there's actually been an instant is then debunking all the bullshit that people were then saying was the cause. It's very different. Like the point is that we were projecting, we were projecting for us into future, something that could happen based on the information that we knew and had understood two years ago, three years ago. Now we're debunking stuff because at the time, you know, three, four days ago

when Twitter was very hot on this before, you know, the US invaded Venezuela. More on that later in this episode. Not according to Polymarket. Well, yeah, thanks Polymarket for denying all those horrible men some money. That's good. Yeah, no. There's lots of people like getting very excited,

picking everything they can, but we had no information. There was no information. Therefore, you could not say most of what was being said. And unfortunately, what we said in the podcast was being misconstrued as a result. So just want to upfront that. That's partly why we're doing this episode. Yeah, most of what we said in the podcast was stuff that was happening in real time.

And a lot of it has changed since three years ago. A lot can change in three years. We were kind of focused on what we thought was the kind of most likely way it could go wrong, which is not inevitably. the way it actually did. And like, noticeably, Amlo is alive. Yeah, Amlo is alive, yeah. Once Amlo finished his term and was not assassinated,

I was like, okay, cool, I can go, I can actually go to Mexico now. This would be, this would be lovely. I get to do my whole, like, tourist thing. And now, I don't know, it's up in the air again. I don't even know if the enemy is for us anymore. I've been to Mexico in the intervening years between that one and this one, and I have yet to be assassinated as far as I know. So, good news.

I was busy, I'm sorry. Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, we'll get, we'll get, we'll, there's, there's lots to cover. Can I, can I do a quick disclaimer? Yeah, I go. Yes. I, angry scooter, I am here as myself, not representing anyone or anything, and I only am here as I only am here as an expert opinion on this opinion piece journalism. Yeah, none of us represent anything to the best of our knowledge.

Speak for yourselves. I represent Network Rail and the British government. It is the official line of Network Rail of Jeremy Westlake, the CEO of Network Rail, and all of the board of Nettrick Rail. No, of course, I'm bullshitting. Don't sack me again. This is absolutely my opinion but it happens to be there are several quite informed

I mean it's a whole bunch of informed people on here but like this gets into my wheelhouse a lot this incident yeah yeah so first we have to ask what is the corridor interoceanico go back and listen to the episode the first time what if what if we did some

some more development for the capital D by building this railway. Yeah. And I don't think I said enough last episode. This is a good idea. Like, it is a good idea to have this railway connection. And none of us really thought that it was a bad idea. We were unhappy about the way that it was being done.

But it is a good idea to have this railway, right? It makes sense. I'm not in love with the idea, but there's worse. Like, this is like just a straight-up improvement from, then my opinion. Like that one does. That serves no purpose. This one serves some purposes.

Purposes I am not sure I'm aligned with, but it serves them. It hypothetically could. And that's, well, a lot has happened in the years since that podcast was really good, honestly, surprised, but like November, your pronunciations were on spot. I just wanted to drop that in. Nice.

Beaming. I'm beaming. I got a good grade in podcast. I think it's more possible to achieve. Yeah, lots of the things we did predict, like, the HST's getting their nose smashed. We'll talk about that later. Did and have happened several times in quite large ways.

So, like, yeah, we did predict successfully lots of other things, which unfortunately have happened, but haven't led to fatalities. But the really short version of this is, like, they were going to connect the now Gulf of America. Um, in Veracca with the Pacific and compete with the Panama Canal by shipping stuff by train. This is the idea is that you know, you're going to have some kind of competition with the Panama Canal here

because you're going to build some kind of magical railroad that can haul the same amount as a huge container ship and you're going to massively upgrade the ports, you know, and that's going to somehow, somehow you're going to be able to, include the cost of an extra ship and two transloads and it'll be competitive with the Panama canal somehow you're going to I don't understand at all how this was supposed to work um it sort of made sense in terms of well we're going to do a lot of industrial development along the line which will have easy access to both the the Gulf of America um and the Pacific ocean um and it does have

have in common with Tren Meyer the Morena and more specifically Amla's thing of hold still, you are being developed, right? You are being sort of economically uplifted. Yeah. Stop resisting. That did not look good on the ground in lots of different ways. But specifically they also put the Navy in charge of this. And so the trains, famous for going on water.

Yeah, well, again, if you kind of think about, we talked about all this, but the like internal politics of like you have to give the military something to do that isn't like getting in gunfights with drug dealers. And then also it makes it like sort of harder to criticize from the right. And you get some sort of buy in from the military as an institution. And then all of that spirals directly to them trying to kill Skoza. Because there's speaking about the conservatives like the one thing that you need to know from when the podcast came out and today is that Amble won a total cultural victory. Every single conservative in Mexico, they have like Amlo the Richmond syndrome predictively.

It's the only thing they talk about. Well, maybe they have like a week to talk about foaming at the mouth about shame on getting kidnapped like Maduro. but they basically have no answer for him. They only say both for us were not that guy, while that guy had 70% approval. It's pathetic. But what that means is that their campaign promises were to keep everything amyed. No one's pushing an alternative view to how to develop the South,

or if we should be developing the South, the only question is should we do it Anlo's way with the army or the conservative way also with the army but I don't know make it like a right shirt like there's no just make it more neoliberal somehow

like privatize it from the ground up there's really no you could sell this line to Canadian Pacific Kansas City exactly and well the big problem with Amlos, like, it never made sense to me because he was, with this cultural victory,

he was assured that Morena was going to win for like at least one or two elections. He could have done this like as a 12 year thing. Like they did not need to rush this. Yes. That's, it's, even when the things could be implemented correctly, where they could have talked to the locals, make them have some, make them be invested in this. They could have done that. But the, the, central, the core of this thing was, well, the premise of the last podcast, the, Amlowe was going to say, was going to wave like Queen Elizabeth on his very special train that might have, might or might not blow up. But it's reasonable. Everyone wants to, everyone wants to like play with their own special train set. And he just, he wanted to get it done. And, you know, I, I also,

You sympathize in the sense of like, maybe you want to sort of inject some urgency and not let the thing get sort of like bogged down, sure. But in the event- In the process of delivering this very quickly. Yeah. Well, they also had to deliver this very quickly because it was all a cover to get freight trains. This whole project was, here, I will give you a passenger train if you shut up about the freight

trains. And that they succeeded. succeeded. They got their passenger train and the freight trains have quietly been running in the background. Yes. Yeah. And I mean, what was ultimately delivered here was an okay rehab of an existing railway that was built in 1907. Yes, it's like describing something as three-dimensional chess, but instead it's three-dimensional transport fever too. Yeah. No, you don't want to hear that sentence. You know, this is not like a super gold-plated project like Trend Maya was. This was. This was. This was done very, very cheaply.

And you can see, you know, they didn't even stop running trains on it when they were rehabbing the track, which was a problem because it just destroyed all the track. They just rehabbed. Or dehabs the track, if you have. But this was three years ago as they were finishing the project. Yeah. Yeah, time has passed in the intervening. There have been intervening years.

And we'll get to some of that when we look at some of the pictures from this. It's been three years. Three years, yeah. But most of the railroad is just relaying the existing single track railroad in place. The only substantial new construction that at least I could find. Admittedly, I'm not on the ground. I was just looking on Google Maps, was bypassing the market in Tejawan Tepec. I'm sure I pronounced that wrong.

No, you nailed it. I'm sitting on my good grade from earlier. I'm not even going to try to venture it. Nope, me either. But yeah, this is sort of a brand new, like, 1907 railroad they build. This Navy still builds railroads the old-fashioned way. Yeah. I mean, very Trumping in that sense, because, you know, Trump is obsessed

for building things from the early 1900s like battleships. Yeah. Yeah, really the old fashioned one of the core army of engineers, like, type ship. Yeah, yeah. I think some emphasis should be placed on this, though. So here are two features that railroads have. Signals and crossing gates, right? Yes.

So, yeah, signals are there to provide visual reminders to the engineer not to crash his train into another train. Well, I mean, it's very easy to get distracted and do that. I mean, that is unironically true. That is true, yeah. Well, that's why you have backups like train orders and so on and so forth. That's why everyone has very, very strong knowledge of the root and everything like that. Yeah, but it sort of guards against your sort of like, it's your last line of defense. Plus, if you have a sort of like very ADHD and you're a divergent engineer, like, for instance,

I would be, it's very helpful to have a big sign that says, hey, don't crash the train. Just like signs that says rush in, you know. And if your railway is, you know, built to standards from the 1950s onwards, looking at you all of North America, then you also have secondary protection systems. that go, okay, you've not seen the signal, well, you idiot, now I'm going to break the train for you. Yeah. Or you've got an overspeed, for example,

and the system will go, oh, your train's going too fast. We're applying the brakes, you idiot. Like, these technologies have existed. Sorry, do you mean the stuff that I have to turn off every time I play trainsome? Because it, like, employs me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Switch off the LWS. Fucking beeping at me. I don't want to press Q every 15 seconds. If I was driving this train, I'm so sorry, November. So if November had been driving this train, she would have just bought one of those Amazon's quick thing is to... Yes. I have the seatbelt working like Disabler, yes.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With the Punisher logo, yeah, absolutely. There's a bumper sticker on the rear cab that says no seatbelt, we die like men. I had a buddy with a Volvo 240 who, don't even get me started on arguing about seatbelts on trains. That's been a top of course. Foreign podcasting cab.

Fake train? Now let's all get ahead of ourselves. This is interesting discussion-wise. Yeah, okay. Having signals is sort of a prerequisite for most of the more advanced safety systems. that, again, most railroads, especially if you're building them new with infinite social democracy money, you probably should have. Yes.

Yeah. And to add, signals not only tell you there's another train ahead of you and the speed you should be going, they also tell you if the rail's broken ahead of you because the track communication goes through the track. Yeah, if you got track circuits. I mean, you know, you might, for a long system railway like that, you might have something that's treaddles rather than track circuits, which doesn't necessarily detect it.

But yeah, one of the upshots of electric track circuits is that, yeah, if you get a rail break, there's a likelihood that that will be noticed by the signaling system and all the signals will go red. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Plus you save a lot of time and energy in like railway children type situations

where somebody has to sort of like run down an embankment leaving a red lamp. No way. Neticotes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, right. Yeah. So this was a, the, the inter-oceanico

was, you know, a substantial railway rehab, which occurred in the year of Our Lord, 2002, 23, I forget. God, back when I was in my early 30s, you know, which had no signaling system and still does not do this day, I believe. Oh, good. Whoa. Yeah. So it's all, it's all dark territory.

Yeah, it's run on train orders. And I would assume they have radio. I don't know. This is to the best of my knowledge. It's like everybody can spring for like a box of Balfangs and a charger at this point. Like, fine. Yeah, they do have radio across the system. Okay, well, that is a good start. It is a start.

Right. That immediately begs the question. Why don't they just put cheap ass like trade identifier tech in the trains? You can just get a box that hooks over the lamp hook that can do signaling like in about 24 hours. You can have a signaling system. do that good Mexican government hold me back again oh okay we don't fucking do that here

I'm trying to find the lamp hook on an HST like you open the little flap at the front you take its pants off it has a little squirt thing you take off it's fiber of the nose

and you can see as a little longer behind it and yeah briefly this is a little fun thing briefly I was advising the Mexican government after the podcast I think possibly off the book rather than the podcast but I was

doing that briefly which was fun So I have a family again, just to remind you. I'm the only man without a family. In between recording that episode and recording this episode, I did get divorced. So arguably I am more assassinateable now. I don't know. Roz is a single one, go Ross first. So.

I mean, arguably like, like, Rose is like the officer, right? So like you want to assassinate him first and that way the whole kind of like organization falls into disarray. Just until Clay or the Transform. I stealth added a slide to show what what crossing protection they still have down there. Yeah. Oh, I hope that's in here because I have mine with gun. Yeah. Because I'm doing this from a downloaded PowerPoint. But anyway, they have they have what you would call it or railroads have crossing protection, right? You have. the gate that comes down, the bell rings. And you drive around it like an asshole, right?

You don't automate any of this shit. You barely even need electricity. You can have a gate that a guy raises and lowers by hand and he lives next to the thing and his job is to raise and lower the thing. Which seems to be started procedure here. Like guys standing around. Sort of a different philosophy here, right? Because I assume Scooter, you must have added this on the next slide, right?

Yeah. Okay, hold on. Let me go back over here. They just have guys. stand around with machine guns. Oh boy. Yeah. I mean, I like doing it. I'm American. Yeah. Yeah, if ever you doubt that Mexico was part of North America. Yeah. They have train ice who sits there and guards the crossing. Yeah.

I mean- I'm really named. Yeah. Because that's honestly kind of like the reason we are not getting invaded right now is that, and it was redirected, is that it was redirected, is that it was redirected, is that, that we were very forthcoming with aid towards stopping the caravans and shit and part of it was we just built a bunch of trains in the middle of the guys with guns and

well if they happen to see a caravan coming well that's that's kind of the thing that made people angry about these projects to begin with they seem to be to have a dual purpose and they seem to be working in that dual purpose to the Well, there's a reason you can see a Maduro Mokshad with him smiling in the interior for some reason, and not a Claudia Shimon one.

But, yeah, again, this means they do have a, I don't know, a guy standing around-based infrastructure. It's also like if you look at the map again, it traverses southern Mexico. It's a border. It's also an internal border. playing. Yeah. Yeah. I do this has a dual purpose of like, you know, okay, it's infrastructure, but it's also an excuse. Yeah, Mexico building around. We are the wolf. I have guys standing around with machine guns everywhere. Jobs program. Yeah. Jobs program, also a backhander to like whoever supplies the, like assault rifles, wherever they're buying the kind of like sort of like tactical. Mara Gaddafi's corpse. Come on down.

Exactly. I think another aspect that's interesting here, this railroad, of course, well, it has no signal, so it has no centralized traffic control, which also means, of course, the whole thing is hand-throw switches. Oh, boy. There's no automatic switches. Some people were theorizing this derailment could be because of terrorism. It's like, no, you have all hand-throw switches. You could just run any train anywhere just by walking up to a switch and things. you know, pulling the handle. Also, I also suggest some kind of like

Central American solid snake sort of getting past every single cop that's standing around every like railroad crossing. And like that would have been the most boring Metal Gear Solid game ever. Like, what's the purpose here for a terrorist? What are they getting out of it?

That's something I cannot understand. Both sides of the Mexican political divide are just flailing at trying to blame this on either misreading y'all's work, to be quite honest. They're not very... Oops.

They're not very good at independent research. Or I've seen some Moriana aligned conspiracy theories that are wild. I've seen people blame, I think this is like a Spanish operation. I've seen people... Yeah, I've seen people accuse this was Spain's doing for some research. think they got mad at us for uh because amlo uh told them that the conquista was a bad thing uh because the which was kind of like the only woke thing he did in his presidency the colonial i'm looking uh but i saw people blame uh the the wife of murder politician carlos manso

which would be kind of like saying that like blaming erika cared for this yeah yeah I was trying to explain this sort of briefly the other day and I was like, no, you don't understand that like, if you're on the right wing, what you want to have happened here is that either Amlo or Shinebound caused the train to derail by making it have pronouns. Yes. Exactly. And that's my biggest issue with the conspiracies of the right. wing causes. So this was like a, first of all, it's inviting. Honestly, it's playing with fire,

because if you start saying throwing the word terrorist around, well, doesn't that give credence to Trump's narco-terrorist framework? That's really scary to me. All the news outlets on Twitter are using the word narco-terrorist like it's the letter A. It's scary. Like, again, I'm not a fan. I'm not the biggest Chamberl fan. She's not the biggest fan of me. But, uh, I don't want to see her kidnap. Like, we don't need, we, we don't need like seven, Salvador Allende's a year. Like, it's not terrible.

And so, yeah, I don't think throwing the word narco-terrorist around is a thing that we should be doing at all. And again, for this to be something that the right would have been considered doing, well, they would need to see Oaxon lives at something worth anything, which they don't, they really don't, care about, you know, brown people. Well, do you know, because all the news I was looking is just blaming everybody and everything, apparently Faramex is having quite a bit of torch cutting incidents and people pulling rails.

Is that political or is that just people? I don't think it's political. I think it's people trying to rob trains. And that's also if the freight train was the first. one derailed. Okay, maybe there's something there. But who the hell is robbing a passenger train? Is this the old west? Are they... It's like also sort of like deriving from this that Scotland has a serious problem with narco-terrorism and John Swinney should get like black-bagged because someone's stealing

the overhead electric like the overhead wire. And again, if I was a robber, I would not go to the the train tracks that consist mainly of guys with guns. I go to, you know, the private one that's cost-cunning. Yeah. And especially where it is too, but we'll get to that. Like, good fucking luck getting out there to do something. If you wanted to do a terrorism on a train,

and I have to point this out when it comes to like Eurostar bullshit security, you can just stand on a hill and shoot the train from a distance. You don't need to do all this elaborate bullshit. You have a family. There might be some redaction. You can just do that. You don't need to go do all the elaborate shit. can just do that.

Again, hand-throw switches. This is how some dumb teenagers flung a New Jersey transit commuter train into a pasta factory in the 80s. Well, there's also the self-landing. Those idiots in the Midwest that threw the switch and ran the train into the grain silo. Like it's just...

You can just do that. Yeah. This whole railroad... You cannot do that in the UK. There are not many places where you can successfully do that. We have basically control all of it centrally. Also, like the last podcast, November said something about, you should not run this train to Chiafas

because it would be the most bumped tracks. I would like to say, Capitán Marcos had plausible deniability because, like, they were on camera at the time of the derailment. I was on Facebook live. Yeah, because we're having, like, a full-on conference with talks and stuff. They do that thing.

every new year because it's the anniversary of their rising. So, yeah, this was not, I don't see anything that could be sabotaged from really anything political. I don't even think this was a false flag from Morena. Like, there's just, this seems to be just a purely, well, thing that could be explained. Oh, yeah, there won't be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It doesn't seem to be political at all. Yeah. Which is great because it confounds everyone. Yes. It's really inconvenient for all sides. Oh, by the way, speaking of dead names and stuff, it is Capitan Marcos now, just so he got demoted. I think he demoted my fucking hell. Yeah, because he's not indigenous.

The leadership is all indigenous now. He's now the community manager. Ah, it's a friend back. Rears its ugly head again. He got the eye. His Apatistas went woke? Yeah. The biggest surprise of the century.

All right, I'm not going to dwell on this too much. You know, purpose of the railroad, it seemed like most logically was, okay, we're going to develop a bunch of industrial parks through the center of the isthmus again so they could reach both oceans. That seemed most logical. What we found out over the past couple years is, oh, my God, they bought their own bullshit. They're actually trying it. They bought a bunch of brand, well, not brand new, recently refurbished auto. racks for moving cars from one end of the railroad to the other. They bought a bunch of weld cars.

They were all marked not for interchange. I have no idea how I think this is going to work. They're just doing stuff. They've got a railway. They're just doing stuff. And I can respect that. The whole reason this could work is because you have an access to the north. You could take trains and go north.

And they're not doing it. No, no, no. We're actually going to try this. compete with the Panama Canal bullshit. Oh, wow. I'll be right back. And back to- I gotta say, though, this is a beautiful image of the guy standing around economy.

Which is true, yeah. I think we should despise it like my country is not a guy standing around economy, and I think we'd be better off economically if we were. You know, we've got an unemployment crisis. If we could find niches to pay guys to stand around, we would be so much better off. And you know what that is? That's Keynesianism. Yeah, we thought we were going to have a near-sharing economy, but then the tariffs came, so guys standing around.

Just stretch those hamstrings. Fun fact about these, does anyone remember the FEMA white box cars with shackles? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, but like they were going to put all of the like unvaxed patriots in these and then ship them around to Jade Helmed them. This was way back in like Hurricane Katrina or so. And someone pointed out the white box cars with shackles and there were these big white Gunderson AutoMax auto rack cars.

These are those same cars. They just painted them brown. And it's a nice color. You know what? Actually, it is a nice color. Yeah. Actually, the brown is very nice. Reluctantly, I do like more than those coloring scheme.

In 2017, I was working at Amtrak Beach Grove, which is the facility where the incinerator for the FEMA camps were. How do I know this? A guy jumped the fence and ran straight for the powerhouse to try and get pictures of the incineraries that were used in 2006. Hey, you gotta respect the guy who's with a commitment to the bit, right? I mean, that's not a guy you can question his sincerity about that. That guy 100% believes that they were putting, like, the unvaccinated patriots in the boxcars.

Like, yeah. Instead, he just found some, weirdly enough, missing soldiers from Vietnam. Sort of running Rambo 2 and 4 at the same time, yeah. Wait, no, 2 and 5, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so this is an important slide just because we gotta talk about the trains. It's not the same fucking train.

Gareth, Gareth, Gareth, Gareth, the problem is, is you're using the word train when you mean the word train. Yeah. So what I've discovered is that is that train means route, line. When people using lazy chat GPT or like XAI translators are going, no, it's the same train. Look, it says introsciano on the side. It's like, no, I'm trying to mean railway. Yeah. It's understandable.

but if they just look at the information rather than just quickly Google translating, they've been an understanding of that because people jump straight. Anyway, sorry, this slide is that it's not the same fucking train slide. Yes, yes, exactly. So on this line, on the train house into Oceanico, and some of the, I think there's two more lines now

which are attached to it, I believe. Yeah, there's three different divisions. and only on line Z is the, is the, I don't know, the American train. The American stuff, right? Yeah. You got this big, ugly F-59 locomotive. And now F-59 PHIs that they took from California

and put a new engine block in and said, screw the environment. Yeah. You got the C-DOT coaches, Connecticut Department of Transportation, depowered SPVs I don't know that's too complex

to go into here and the Amfleets right these are all designed for the North American Railroad Network right where you have things like

hitting cars hitting freight trains yeah the design for a continent in which stuff happens yeah exactly generally you have

some pretty rough track by European standards this is the one we thought would be mostly okay even if it was operated wrongly.

Yeah, something we were wrong about, you know, like Mayor Culper. Yeah, well. Oh, kind of. Kind of. We'll get there. We'll get there. Because at the, we'll get it on the next slide, but like, things improved as soon as we were done with our podcast.

The 20-20- Works, sort of. We are- I did have somebody say that a direct result of the podcast. was a couple of the improvements on the cars, yeah. First, I'm going to have a podcast improving the world. I'm going to have this fucking panic attacks thinking about a bunch of admirals sitting around

and listening to like me talking about jerking off. Being like, okay, okay, skip forward a bit, skip forward a bit. You better believe they're all going to be listening to this episode and we started in the jacket outfits. And I, you know what, that's fine. That's okay. Well, that's what you take to the new. and go, this was not serious.

Look at how it started. We might be informed, but we're also doing bits on a podcast. Right now, there is a decent chance that there is somebody wearing like sort of highly polished white shoes thinking about what made them choose a career in the Navy. We have that. So there's another train that's underneath the big American one. Designed for a continent where stuff does not happen. Europe.

Yes. It is an HST. Ross gone. Yeah, it's the British Rail Class 43. That's the locomotive and a mark three coaches behind it, right? It's not big and ugly. It's small and pretty. And it's designed for the UK Rail Network where you don't really have great

crossing accidents. You don't crash trains into each other on a regular basis. You have high quality, high speed track. This is the one we were mostly panicking about and frankly still are. Yes. Yeah, we still are. Like that's that fear, still exists.

We know what happens when these things, before they go anywhere else, before we saw the things that this, this has collided, by the way, in operation on the intro-Shanico, it has collided with things at great crossings. We've seen the front get ripped off one of these by somebody's pickup truck.

It's down in the slides. No, but we saw it. We saw it happen in the UK before that. That's why we were saying, because I put the picture up from after Nerve it, where the front was ripped off and the whole train made a horrible mess when it hit a little bloody Mazda on a level crossing.

So we know that these things are not good with grade crossings, right? Yeah. Of which there are many and none of them have protections. And even worse with the freight network because they're about two-thirds the size of a freight car. Yeah, these two pictures are misleading. If you line these two up on the same track next to each other, as you can do quite easily on there are pictures with it happening, it looks like someone's fucked up the perspective.

because the HST is just tiny compared to, like the HST doesn't even come up to the hood of the front of the F59. Like it's lower than that. It's like basically up to like the handrail level. This thing is tiny. Note both of those though. The track looks pretty good. This will be important later.

Yeah. Just flashback to slide 29 of the previous podcast where there's the SD60, say, next to HST. And it looks like somebody parked there. Ford Ranger next to a semi. They looks like someone's part in a double-o, like the wrong scale of double-o-and-o-train's next to each other in model form. It just looks odd. Yeah.

And the other thing here to note, both of these train sets here, or everything in both these trains here is pretty damn old. Yes. Yeah. So with that, and it's a fair complaint is that both, these trains come from the 70s at minimum. Yes. And you have the right to be mad that you were told they were brand new and they were not.

They were 55 years old. Yeah. You do not have the right to be mad that they were rebuilt and they were told new. You can rebuild a train. It can be made new. They can. The fact that 50 years old means bad is not correct. It's also, it was possible to have bought a brand new train that would have been as bad an idea as this.

Sure. Cash. It would. The big thing here is, the big thing here is, why are they buying these very old trains? It's because the Navy thought they could go to the train dealer and buy a train. It doesn't, it doesn't work like that. Yeah, it says that it's like there are three companies and you have to put in like an order sort of several years. in advance, which doesn't really work when your president is like, do it in three months.

Yes, exactly. And they scoured the surface of the planet looking for any trains, and these were the ones that they could find. It's what I'm saying, the HST, it's true for, I mean, you know, Scoor, you know, the US kit, but it's true for the HST, like, yes, there are lots of features of the train that are inescapably 70s, or indeed 60s in some cases. But like a lot of the mechanicals are, you know, of 2000s era vintage, actually. They're re-engined by MTAU.

They've got LED cluster light. There's lots of stuff about these that is not from the 70s. There are lots of features of them that's decent. The interiors are not bad, although they did rip out a lot of the interiors for the,

when they brought them over. So, you know, yeah, lots of things that are. If you look at the interiors, it looks like something that came out of the Siemens factory. They did new paint. They did new seats. Yeah. They did a complete refresh.

And honestly, with the way that the modern manufacturing and international best practices is the seats are better, the cushions are better, the interior experience of both train sets. Do you hear that? I'm defending

the HSTs. The interior is better than what you could buy on the modern system nowadays. I was privy to an article where the Amtrak I believe, as Roger Harris said live, that you cannot buy a seat that reclines anymore.

No one will build it. You have to buy those ones with the sleigh. That makes me feel great about society. Yeah. So like, yes, they're old, but like, they were made nice. So. Yeah. However.

So, yeah. You know, essentially what wound up happening is the Navy bought every used passenger car in the United States. and then filled up the rest of their roster with the HSTs, right? This was enough to run some pretty minimal passenger service. One a day. It's about all this railroad can handle because they built it so cheap. Well, I feel like a demand for more than that. How many people are jumping at the bit to go from Salina Cruz to like the Wentepec?

It can't be that many people. Apparently it was a lot. Apparently it was 241 a train, yeah. Yeah, that's true. It's one of those build it and they will come situations. Turns out people are keen on getting a train. Everyone was a day.

Yeah. Just like that example. Yeah. So, you know, this is, again, this is the one we were panicking about down here. This is the one we really thought was going to cause a nasty accident. And instead, our problem child has, to date, only had the front ripped off a couple of times. Yeah.

And then our nice, reliable American, like, fucking John Wayne locomotive. Yeah. Did this? Hold on. Hold on. The equipment did not do this. Correct. Yeah, okay. You're on.

Don't kill people. This happened to it. This happened to it. Correct. It's happened. The 8 a.m. train out of Selena Cruz gets to the loops outside of

the Zonda. Right? Something happens. Train flies off the cliff, plunges down. into the ravine. Yeah, it's struck by like flying pronouns or like Guatemalan solid snake blows up the track or we know not what. Spanish solid snake.

Excuse me, yeah, Spanish solid snake. A foul socialist, weirdly, but like very kind of like chauvinist about Latin America, blows up the track. And then it just dumps down the side of a hill. Yeah, and so, you know, anyway, the train, the train leaves the, the track somehow at a very bad spot. Somewhere back here, there's a locomotive that's still on the track mostly, and one that was entirely on the track. Down here, and it keeps gone, there's another passenger car down here. And we didn't quite know what was going on, but we

were able to say, ah, we predicted it. Oh, wait, now there's people that we can't say ha. Yeah, we don't, it doesn't feel good to say, I told you so, and this specific line of work, you know, in particular because something like this, it's not like we were going sort of retrospectively. It's we were telling you so that you so that you could not do it, you know, so this could have been avoided. And when we keep saying this, this, as far as we're about to get into, what has happened was not particularly of concern. This was that equipment maintenance was, equipment capability was, the rush to build the railroad was. I suppose it's an oversight because we didn't actually, I like to, on rail net, I like to talk about skills. And I suppose we kind of, there was enough for us to talk about that we didn't dwell on,

how are you training up your staff? How are you training up your pool of drivers and operators? Are you, we didn't actually because there was a lot to talk about. Are you, but, you know, yeah. Are you building the infrastructure to prevent a general accident from happening? Yeah. Is the track up to standard? Have they actually done what they said they would do?

We didn't really get into that because it wasn't. There's so many other things we understood I mean you were happening, you know. And that's the problem with like building something that's clearly meant for freight, but like slapping a passenger train to like try and honestly fail at calming the social turmoil that it was going to cost. That, well, if there was training,

I guess it went for the freight part because, yeah. Well, we'll get there. Yeah. So a lot of people were trying to figure out, okay, what happened here? I think a lot of people who listened to our earlier podcast immediately gravitated towards this, right? Yep. Which is the Am fleet car where the airbag was completely compressed so the suspension wasn't really working,

as well as, you know, all this equipment was painted when it really shouldn't have been. And, you know, there's a whole bunch of problems here. It's like we said, I think that it looked really good, but it was going to sort of like fling Amlo out of the door down a mountain side. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Not exactly what happened. Well, you may notice that the Amfleet car is back here and it's the one that's still on the track. Yeah. Yeah.

So they jumped all over the general mechanical that we pointed out, which was almost immediately fixed by the time the train was running regularly. They hacked off the generator. They did heavy mechanical on the truck frames, all the stuff that was. get the train out for AMLO was taken care of. And they were pulling in new wheel sets. The SPVs arrived, which are the general coaches. And they completely rebuilt the interiors, put new wheels on them, did quite a bit of airbreak work.

I only know this from the fact that you can watch all the videos and see new wheels, the generator's been cut off. Yeah, no flat spots, the airbags are inflated, all this stuff that like you can, you can visually see. Whether insider information or not, you can watch it happen in real time. Yep. Yeah, you can go and watch the Simply Railway video or something. Yep. You're trying to fix all this stuff.

You're trying to fix all this stuff when you actually have time to do it and you're like, this fuck-ass podcast is making fun of me. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, so this problem was fixed. Yeah. One thing people have jumped on on this is that, well, they didn't replace the airbags or the airbags weren't working properly. The airbags aren't the main suspension system.

Now, if you screw up the center of gravity on the car, all of a sudden they're the only suspension system. But that was fixed. They removed the generator and the Am fleet wasn't involved. The SPVs have the same system where they rely on the spring system. system first, and then the secondary air leveler, which is the airbags. So in theory, unless there was a horrific mechanical failure, that is not a factor to look at. And we'll get into analysis here in a little bit of why we can almost prove that. Yeah.

Here's some pictures of the derailment. So this is the curve where it turned. And Gareth, this is definitely where you can add to it. Yeah, this is the big. It's not supposed to look like this. Yeah. It's not supposed to like that. I mean, there's, I've got a section later where I'll get into the details of the,

of the specifics of what I think the mechanism of derailment was. But things that you, when I was seeing these pictures, Scooter did a really good thread pretty early on. I was looking through the pictures. And the first thing that struck me, thinking about what we talked about in the podcast was, this track looks pretty good, actually. Yeah.

There's fresh ballast. It's decent ballast. The track materials are fine. Lots of people moaning about timber sleepers. Shut the fuck. up, like timber sleepers, they're all brand new. They're all good.

It looks pretty good. There's specific complaints and conspiracy theories. But look at me. The pictures up show, right now, show decent track that has been super elevated, which means that someone has put some thought into the alignment, which means, so it has been aligned. There has been some engineering gone into this. It looks decent.

Like, the only thing that I'd say is not great is there's not a huge amount of lateral balance to keep the track in line. but there are no obvious, despite there being several very heavy trains walloping around on it, there are no obvious geometric defects in the track here. So, you know, we'll get later to my predictions, but my instinct here was, well, this does not look like a track issue. The track looks pretty solid through here. And what needs to be mentioned is that is not the lead locomotive on the right-hand side.

There was an F-59 PHA ahead of that that was pulling through, and then this was a little. was the second locomotive that rolled and then we'll get into it, but there was a car in the ravine and then cars over the side. This image is misleading because if you look on both images, there's a like a covering that almost looks like a rock fence covering. And so that early, early, early guesses, including my own was a boulder came down and hit this, especially with how bad that locomotive is. Yeah, I was also thinking big boulder at first, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

A rock fence would be kind of smart to have in this kind of territory, but once you look at other pictures zoomed out, that's more of like a grassy hill. Yeah, I mean, it's probably small and mature. It's probably a geotechnical, rather than big boulder fall. It's more of a, we're protecting this slope to keep it stable for significant. Again, worth commenting. Some engineering has happened to you. They've gone.

this slope requires some remediation, some where it has done. So it's indicative that since we were talking about, since we did the podcast, there has clearly been ongoing civil engineering to bring elements of this line, bits of it, what total percentage I don't know,

but sections of this line have clearly had attention to bring it up to a standard, which, you know, this is as good as a lot of GB rail. Looking at this, look at these pictures, like there's plenty of railway that looks worse than this in the UK right now, right? Yep.

So that's the, the front and the rear of the derailment. Can we go to the next slide? So this is the rear half of the train. Jesus wept. That was pulled up and over from the track. What a fucking coupler. Age couplers, tight lock couplers.

Saved so many lives in this accident. We talked about it in many previous episodes, but keeping couplers connected and therefore keeping the train in line is a major factor in how many lives are saved. in a crash like this. They took these cars, put them back on the rail, and brought them home today. They were in that kind of condition.

That coupler kept these things from becoming battering rams into each other. Yeah. Unbelievable how much engineering saved this train. And we were saying that there were what, like 240-something people on like... 241, I believe. Yeah. And again, I wanted to bring this picture into it because we were talking about... the equipment. You look at the car on the left, those are brand new wheels. That is full thickness,

brand new wheels saying there. Why the MT bag is up under the truck frame, I will never know. That's not a great place for that. No. I mean, these cars are, we're in immaculate condition from what we can tell from all the pictures we've gotten, the video that we've seen before. Yeah, new springs, new new, new break shoes on everything. Like they were doing their job to maintain this as far as we know. Yeah. So I wanted to show that and you can see the rock pilot went through. It's like really, really like thin limestone almost.

Maybe not limestone, but like it's where it shatters really easily. It's like scree or whatever. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. So like there was just no resistance when this thing hit that, which might. might have been for the best in this accident. I just want to point stuff like that out because it changed things for the better.

And also discredits the engineering theory, or not the engineering theory, but the Boulder theory, the landslide theory. Yeah, the cars were so substandard and that's a reason why it happened. No. And it's not, there's nothing showing that. Yeah. This is the standard. The standard hasn't changed in North America in, you know, 40 years, but this is what it is.

Yeah. Yeah. Anybody have anything else? Can we go to the next slide? Yeah, let's pop to the next one, which is slightly less pretty in a variety of ways. So this is. I have to use the restaurant. You picked a good one to leave on, buddy.

Fuck me. Yes, correct. This is the one that went down the ravine. broke the coupler on the car behind it and slid down all the way. And you can see, we'll get to it, but that front couplers twisted as if it rolled, it was forced to roll. This car stayed in one piece, but a lot of the internal equipment seating, mainly seating, but some of the luggage racks are detached themselves and brew themselves. from the G-4. It's one of the things that can say,

while Roz isn't here is, is that I hate him, no, is that... One of the things that say, while Ross isn't here is that is when, like, there's a balance of how you manage energy in a derailment.

And in some instances, you don't want the car to be designed to be completely rock-solid. You actually want it to disintegrate and crumple in certain ways. In others, you benefit from it absolutely staying intact and not folding over.

The Mark 3 that we looked at earlier is pretty good in collision energy management and also in roll over strength, relatively speaking. It's not built like a tank, but under its own mass, it can sustain from 125 miles an hour, it's beating crashes where it's done remarkably well. This is an example of kind of like a mixture of the two. And the fact that this stayed physically intact in the way that it has like a tank meant that that will have protected a lot of lives. It will have also meant that the energy within that vehicle

will have been very high and not well dissipated. So there will have been a lot of bodies being flung around and chairs and other loose fittings being flung around that you might not have had in a situation where energy was managed. However, it fell off a fucking cliff. Yes. So actually, it's staying in a physical, you know, it not deforming is probably erring on the side that you want in this situation

from an energy margin perspective. If this was a modern venture coach, it would have either done the exact same thing or disintegrated, depending on how it hit. Yeah, I was going to say, it would have pancakes quite possibly just pancake flat. With that, you'd have just as many chairs flung, just as many luggage racks ripped off.

But zero survival space. Yeah, it would be, I don't want to say it would be worse, but it would be worse. And that's the one takeaway from this is like, I've seen people in, it not luckily not in the news but in comments being like oh it fell apart on the inside

and it's like it probably experienced 50 plus Gs in there the interiors of these cars were built to airline standards they were using the same track that airlines used bolted into the frame the seats were built by an airline manufacturer like if a plane

and planes don't crash sideways normally neither do trains so like it's really hard to compare it to another crash other than ones we'll talk about towards the end. Yeah, like you do design for roll over strength, but it is not, you don't design for roll over strength going down a cliff. The level of G forces near the truck. Yeah, you know, you generally don't expect the train to be flung off a cliff, sort of

Looney Tune style. Yeah. Yeah. So. Not much you can do to design for that. There's a lot of pictures of this thing. I just wanted to bring this one up to show how it, it slid on one side, it never rolled. So like it wasn't a blender in there, thank God.

But it went down the hill in one piece. And it looks like it broke the trucks off at the very bottom. Which again, it's good because as soon as those break free, they become mis-they become projectiles. So it only broken free at the end of its journey is also- The center pin on these did its job. Gub, just like the couplers, and it saved a lot. I feel like I'm defending these, and I have a reason to, but like... Well, no, you're just undermining some of the bullshit that was getting thrown around,

suggesting that a problem was not... If this was an aluminum car, if this was some of the shit they could have gotten that went on the market afterwards, this was an aluminum car, this would be an aluminum can. It would be just crushed. shredded just like. The HST, which is steel bodied, would have not performed, would absolutely not have performed this well in this instance. But there are other issues with the, we'll get to if there was an HST involved in this,

what the other consequences could have been. Yeah, we'll get our five minutes, but just trying to show what the derailment was without showing the graphics of it, because good God, nobody has any chill with their pictures down there. It may be in 480P, but they were posting. posting pictures of bodies in high rails, bodies coming out of the cars. So I instantly don't know anyone who did that, but the number of people sending me pictures of, yeah, you know, victims, I'm going to put it that way.

I'm trying to think of a sensitive way because you have to, these are victims. Welcome to Mexican media. Yeah. We are just obsessed with gore. It's just, this was tame for our standards that are used to, like, narco-violence. it hasn't trained this in a good way to have respect

for victims. Yeah. Yeah, not good. Yeah. The next picture is a really good overview. I think the picture that we've opened with is the best overview, but this is a useful overview to kind of show you what ended up where. Yeah.

I think. Probably should have started with this, but I will. This is from an official government presentation by Claudia herself. The first locomotive made it through the curve. Second locomotive turned over. First car down the ravine. Second car, mostly down the ravine.

Third car, a little bit down the ravine. And then back here, we had the Amfleet. Stayed on the track. Yeah. Yeah. It's worth to say. So the fact that the couplers held intact is absolutely key here. Because if they hadn't, you'd have had the potential for

overriding, you'd have had the potential for the car behind actually barreling into the middle perhaps of one of the other coaches and crushing it. You can go to the Stonehaven derailment at Carmen. You can see what happens when Mark three coaches, by the way, do a similar thing to this, which is where the couplers, which are pathetic on an HST, relatively speaking, all just break with the slightest tickle. And so you get the car scattering and they roll over. over, they catch on trees and they ride over each other and make an awful mess.

Carmen is kind of a very, I haven't put any pictures of it here, but you can all Google it. Very similar, yeah, a very similar sort of arrangement with an embankment and with the energies involved. And you can see what that looks like, admittedly at much higher speeds, actually. But you can see what that looks like where those couplings break. So the coupling's holding together is a really key element of the lives being saved here. Like those couplers will have literally saved dozens, if not hundreds of lives. Yep.

And this picture is really good at showing the track where it derailed as well. Yes. Yeah. It's clean it is. I mean. Yeah, it's in pretty decent shape. I, there's nothing here that I would. It doesn't look like it was damaged in any way.

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So on the subject of couplers and what could be. Because I didn't want to dwell too much on counterfactuals, but we do have to do the counterfactual? What if an HST was involved in this accident as opposed to the the bud cars? So a couple of things here. Lower center of gravity means that it might well have got around the curve more successfully. So it's not necessarily a clean counterfactual. But let's assume that if it did go around the curve and come off in much the same way, the main thing that I think would be a difference is the, okay, the cab, the, the, the, the locomotive would have been completely destroyed because the HSTs are just.

A reminder, the front is just fiberglass upturned with a seat inside. It's just a bath. It's an upturned bath. But the couplers would likely have all broken under the forces. And so you'd have had the cars being scattered and therefore safety of those inside, the safety space inside, yeah, much less of that. And potentially, you're then chasing what, like two or three cars down a ravine rather than one. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. that more of them would have ended up than the ravine. They'd have scoured, they'd have potentially overridden and bumped into each other and bashed each other. HST, bogeys have a habit of just immediately becoming five-ton projectiles. It would not have been pretty. That's accepting that there's a higher likelihood this train would have got around the curve, given the...

In the event of an overspeed is the answer. But if... But say they'd been... Yeah, but assuming that the same thing had happened to it, that it comes off in much the same way, it would have been uglier, much ugly. There we go. We've done that counterfactual.

There we are. Actual. And I wasn't the one who said it. Right. For all the freaking people over the pond yelling at me, I didn't say any of that. To all the HST fans who are suggesting that things would have been better than HST or getting upset by HSTs, you can absolutely. You can absolutely. Yep.

Okay. So we did counterfactuals. Now let's do zero factuals. Some of the actual conspiracies, right? Fictionals, if you will. Yeah, that's, there is a word for that. Thank you, no. Yeah.

Counter-fictional. Yeah. So I, these are two particular ones. Neo-liberal lover. Fuck. Okay. What a fucking handle. Okay.

I believe this is a video of the train kicking up some dust from some of the ballast, which is normal. It's why everything on a railway is kind of brown and gray is because there's a lot of dirt and grime. Yeah, it's also dusty. It's a dusty, but the environment is dusty. It's dry, it's dusty. It's one to keep the dust. Yeah. I've played Doom 3.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is, you know, someone planning, you know, okay, you know, already evidenced the track had little ballast. This is, this is translated by, unfortunately, Brock from Spanish. The tracks did not have stability, quote, right? It was the state. It was shinebound. It was the, I don't know what the 4T is. I don't know, but I've had those, that number and letter sent on me a lot in the last.

40 means quarter transformation. Fourth transformation. It's supposed to be like the current stage of development that we are, thanks to the first one is the you know it's kind of like divide subdividing Mexican history in stages like the independence the revolution the oh it's like French yeah okay so publics yeah right and so and now every the Morena's brand is the word transformation right like they they paint in outside buildings they call everything transformation uh it's yeah it's supposed to be a break with neoliberalism hence the angry eye with global emojis.

Right, yeah. I, for one, would like more rakes with neoliberalism. Those are usually good. Yeah, yeah, I can recommend those. So the video on the left as well, that's the one where everybody has their gotcha because there's some old ties from the rebuild kicked over onto the embankment.

Oh, right, oh wait, over here. Yeah, so I was getting sent pictures of these old bearers that were chopped over. long, like, old bears. And I'm like, those are, there's no, I don't, like, I don't know what those are. There is nothing tying those to the incident. Excuse the pun.

Like this, like, I don't know what they are. They're probably from 1907. It's standard of US practice. We do it all the time. There's a pile out front of my house from the railway. Yeah, yeah. I mean, sometimes, you know, if it's railroad land, you just, hey, you just chuck it to the side, don't worry about it, you know?

Yeah, there is so much rail dumped like that on the GB network. Like, it's a problem. And sleepers generally were better with sleepers actually because they're kind of easier to handle. But yeah, like, that's just a thing you do, particularly with timbers because they're really light. You just flick them over the side and that's fine. Like, it's not a problem.

Like, that's not the fact they're dumped over the side and look crap. It's probably because they were crap, so they were dumped over the side. Yeah, they probably put good ones in, which was the whole fucking point. Yeah, you know, and, you know, these things, These are, you know, these are also, of course, biodegradable after about a thousand years because of the Greece. Oh, dear. Yeah, so then the other thing was, there were two factors or two or three factors in this other video that was getting sent around a lot. It's on the other side that was like a moving video showing the track, again, by the way, in pretty good Nick.

Like, there's some nice concretes. There are lots of people. So there are things that people were pointing to. They were pointing to ballast. They were saying, oh, ballast, ballast. I was like, okay, yes, I don't think there's enough ballast on the ends of the sleepers to keep it in position laterally. Also, for those tight curves, they should really be a third guard rail to sort of,

or a continuous check rail rather, to kind of support this. But anyway, fine. Those are nice to house, but it's jointed track, I will assume. And therefore, you don't need to have ballast shoulders. It's fine as long as it's maintained well. So there's one thing was the ballast. The next was like, well, they're changing from concrete to timber. It's like, yeah.

And so it's probably like 5,000 of those changes more even than those in GB. That's just, yes, there will always be a change from concrete to timber. That's just unless you have only one type everywhere, which is never going to be the case. So no, that's not a problem.

And the other was saying, look at the cracks, and you can see it in the picture there. Look at those cracks in the timber sleepers. They're dreadful. It's like, no, that's what hardwood sleepers look like. It doesn't look like that. Let me show you the Texas Transcon. Like BNSF's A mile per hour freight corridor, it's worse than this.

And they're running. I was also thinking like the Meridian Speedway or something like that is. Yeah, absolutely. So I mean, to summarize, this is all born of people not knowing what they're looking at. And therefore concluding that because it looks bad to them, that like, you have the guys who actually know about this stuff professionally, are lying to them because you have pronouns. Well, in the second we correct them, they're like, no, you're doing it.

It's like, you asked for our... A number of people said I was getting paid narco dollars. They're like, that would be nice. I would love some narco dollars. Consider this. You might have like gone to school for this and like worked on this and stuff, but I asked Grock, right? And it told me that it was perfectly acceptable to like,

uh, like, render a version of me with no shirts on. I have heard some complaints by people who live in Oaxaca about lack of maintenance and like substandard practices. But I mean, we all saw the past couple slides. That doesn't seem to be the main cause. Like we're all grasping at straws and what the hell happened here. And anything like that, it's like those stuff might be true, but it's circumstantial. There's nothing with the information we had. This is where we're getting constantly accused of walking back.

It's like, no, we're not walking anything back. It's just that without something that specifically ties those behaviors or those shortcomings to the accident, there is no way, sorry, to the derailment, I shouldn't call an accident, because it isn't one. There is no way of saying, no, that's it. It's all just, okay, sure, but I'm not going to say that's what the cause was, unless I've got evidence, we'll get to what my gut feeling was, which ends up looking like it was right on what the cause was.

that in a minute. But like lots of things, what's on the screen here and a bunch of other similar things that were, that people were claiming were smoking guns from both sides, by the way. Yeah. And they weren't, as you say, it was just clutching at things that look out of place according to their gut instinct. And it's not that I don't think people who don't know, I don't think that nobody who, unless other than experts, should speculate on stuff, right? I don't think that. What I do think is when people say that that that is, it that they know that's it. It's like saying, well, what about this or what about that?

But so few people were asking me, a few did. I had lots, I did have a genuinely, plenty of people going, what about this? What do you think about this? Those people, kudos to them, and I gave them as good an answer as I could. But there were so many more people going, no, this is the, this is the smoking gun. It's like, you don't know fucking shit, mate. And, and then. Oh, yes, the WTIP airing of grievances episode.

There was a small. We need to do one every so often, you know. there was a small grain of truth that I think got blown into this which is someone oh god I forgot I forgot where the article was um because it was in Spanish so obviously I forgot immediately someone did a big in-depth like real old-fashioned shoe leather reporting into disrepancies in the ballast accounts for the interoceanico like they paid too much for ballast so and so forth is there some is there some frauds here, right?

Specifically tied to possibly Amlo's sons. Yeah, yeah, we love a sons-based kickback. Right, and that's, listen, I will die on the hill that I think people who accuse both Claudia and Amla of corruption are just way of course. They are like, for all accounts and purposes, upstanding individuals. Yeah. I will not, I will not raise my reputation for Amla's sons. If you're looking into like, okay, why is this railroad substandard, I would say, where's the second track?

Where are the signals? Yeah, where are? And no one was raising that. It's like there are the crossing gates. What's the training? What's the training for the drivers like? Like how much training the drivers have? How many drivers are there?

What's their fatigue management like? These are questions. I'm just not seeing anyone asking. The thing that I saw most people on the ground that I trust, they were not speculating on causes and posting random Facebook videos. Instead, they were saying, where was the response? Like, we were supposed to get developments. There's not enough hospitals.

Like, people had to be rushed to Imzvin Estar, and some of the victims had to be rushed to another hospital further away because, like, we were promised that we were going to, we were going to trade the environment in our ancestral lands for development and well so far we got some couple decentish trains we don't have the goddamn development yeah yeah and that's all legitimate complaints it's legitimate problems to have is what where is the money gone what happened where's the development been and that's fine but using the derailment as a jumping off point for that not okay if that wasn't the cause.

Those articles should have been written months, years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The complaints by Wahak and indigenous communities have been constant throughout this past six years. The complaints by conservatives have not. And the lack of hospitals didn't cause this derailment. Yeah.

Yeah. Some of that probably should have been on this slide. Oh, yeah. It's fine. We can sort of skip through the actual slide, having done the content early. Yeah. One thing I did get out of the viral videos is like multiple Instagram,

I guess, or maybe TikTok videos were using what appeared to be AI-generated versions of lower resolution of me, which was kind of interesting. Yeah, I saw a Mexican gal. That's what you would look like if you were Mexican. Yeah, which was kind of nice. Oh, no, we might get merged, Gareth.

So if you see a purple herd you walking around in Mexico in AIVis, I'm extremely sorry. That does not sound like something to apologize for. That sounds absolutely ideal. What was also funny is like someone did do the grok thing on me, but rather than putting me in a bikini, which could have been fun, they were it's funny like someone came into one of my pictures and said get this guy holding some obscene banners like deport the illegals which is funny because I'm British and I would never say that even if I was a fascist but it like got me holding a sign saying deport the illegals and then it like from one account and then immediately like 30 seconds later came on into one of the Mexican railway crash chats posting that saying this you it's like no obviously it isn't because firstly it isn't me if you zoom in and secondly why would I use that phrase and why would I use that phrase and why would I

I say that. Especially in this context. But yeah, so it got kind of ugly. So that's some of my screaming and frustration is how ugly it got on social media. Like I did quite a lot of blocking and muting and escaping, but it was still pretty, my mentions were on fire for about a week of like. And I was trying to pick through it because I did want to engage with some of those good faith conversations.

People who are genuinely like, so what do you think about this? I was wanting to try and find those and engage with those. So yeah, it was scrappy. There was one account. You got, it was awful for you. And I'm sorry, you got hit so hard, but you also are the experts. So they all gravitated to you. There was this one account that just kept hitting me and hitting me and hitting me with,

well, they spent so much money on this and spent so much money on that. I'm like, that has nothing to do with what happened. We won't know. You won't know wait until the accident report comes out. The Ameliorangent Syndrome has everyone trying to relitigate every single thing, every single time there's something wrong. Yeah. Yeah.

I was been, I had to be the dickhead a couple of times. Be like, look, my friend, I have done nearly 15 years of career. And before that, I had five. Actually, it wasn't. It wasn't, it wasn't being the dick. Because it was like, why are you like, you're engaged? Like, what do you know? I was like, look, I've had, I did a five-year degree and I've had a 15-year career

after it nearly. Like, I've learned something from that. Some of it has gone in my head. And I'm not, I'm not here to just engage with the random trolls. Anyway, it was a strange experience. Being Mexicanified was one of the light. relevance of it. A bit force max.

So one of the complaints that Ussesoni did that we mentioned was we need better crossing times. Yeah. And they were the only ones. You need crossing signs in general. Here is how the actual people who leave there know what they need and not like the equivalent of Miami, Venezuela. but for Mexico. Yeah.

Bright line. Yeah, that's it. Brightline, Mexico. So on the slide, I do want to bring up, I really, really, really hope the accident investigators took plenty of pictures before they did this. Because I... This is another thing you are allowed to get mad at is,

to the best of my knowledge, Mexico does not have an independent, like, rail accident investigation authority. No. The first thing I'm wrong up was, this is a problem. there is no independent investigator like the RAIB, like the NTSB, like the BA. Like it's an incredibly important thing to have an independent investigator. One of the things is- Because they don't come in looking for blame.

They come in looking to understand what happened first and foremost. Like I think an independent investigator would not hurt Morena's standing that much. But ummmo hated independent stuff and independent investigators and pretty much try to get rid of any independent organism in almost every area. I'm not sure he, I don't think he got rid of a trained one, but he certainly was not going to implement it because he was systematically removing every single one of those

things in most other dependencies that he could get access to. Mind you, it was because a lot of them were even extremely corrupt, but he had a point, but like, yeah, it's something that like most. lips here get really mad about and point here for the lips because like yeah we could really use some actual independent information here it's like you start by abolishing the senate parliamentarian or the office for me getting bribed and then then you finish up and you're like wait a second why does nobody investigate the train crash yeah and it's and like i have to say this is one of the things which is like um shine bamb specifically in fact is is is implicated it is is what happened with the line 12

disaster in Mexico City. When actually, instead of an independent investigator, what they did was, well, an internal independent investigator, what they did was reach out to, I think, the Norwegian transport crash investigators. And that's been an almighty shit show. I'm not going to go into details necessarily of why and where blame lies for that. But that ended up being messy because that is one thing you can do is go to a trusted third party, not the end.

Actually, I have a lot of time for the NTSB, but let's just say it probably wouldn't be a good idea to go to the US in this situation. but you could go to, I don't know, you could probably go to the R-A-I-B because Britain's, yeah, who the fuck is Britain? Get them in. And like, I think that... That could have been a way to do it. You bring in an independent investigator and have a look,

but that ship has sailed at this point. I don't think the Mexican government is not really happy with external investigators to the chagrin of the 43 disappeared students and their families. That was never resolved. And part of that was that Amble kind of kicked out the independent investigators. Yeah.

One of the things that really prevented, like, the development of an independent, you know, regulator here is that every Mexican railroad was a private railroad, which also went into the United States, which meant they were regulated effectively by the United States Federal Railroad Administration. They didn't need a separate regulator in Mexico because, you know, hey, we did all the work. You know, you could see, you could see FaroMex locomotives.

Like, I've seen them like up here in Philly, you know? And that kind of explains why we have such a broken brain. Like we are, we, the, the Mexican media consumer immediately jumps to like conspiracies and Facebook videos because we're, we're trained at which we're just never going to get answers for anything.

Yeah. Yeah. I do want to bring up before we move on to the end. engineering, somebody has been riding my ass that this car split in half and that's why everyone died. Those are saw cuts. Somebody, they, when they got the big hooks out, which they brought in two derricks from, it looks like, Barrow Max, and drug this up the hill. With the hill they were dragging it up on, they almost guaranteed could not have been the whole car in one piece, although I, you could have tried. But they could, they could, the

car up into pieces to make it happen and fit it on flat cars. Those are gas saw cuts. If that was intentionally torn up, or not intentionally, oh my God, if that was torn apart in the crash, in the crash, that would just be shreds. It would not be a nice, clean little scissor cut like that. So many people are like, look, look, look, look, it's all bent up. And it's like, my guy, they had to pull it on up a ravine. They had no choice.

Now, I again, hope they got pictures before they did it, but it's all been cleaned up. They have pulled everything back into coats of cold coats. So we'll see. Yeah, it sucks that we don't get pictures. Like, if there's pictures, we're not going to see them. And the only pictures that, like, reach the public are gory messes. There's no appetite for, like, the actual technical details, because I guess Facebook video suffice.

There is one guy on Facebook that has been documenting every train that's come down the line, and that's been the wreck train with the locomotive, which they cut the locomotive all apart to get, but they ran it on its frame to get back, and then the wreck train with this right behind it with a couple of semis pulling it. And that was it. That has all the documentation I have seen since. Yeah. Like for this, as we'll get into, for this incident, the most important photographs you can take are in the cab of the leading locomotive and my fear

and what all the equipment positions were levers, speedometers I do believe there is a data recorder in this locomotive what that information says they have said that there was one in one of the locomotives

they have said that they have gotten the equipment to download it if they didn't have it beforehand and the problem is the lead locomotive immediately after the accident was pulled away for accident recovery. So it wasn't at the site when the investigation started. Yeah, yeah. So much as the most important critical bare minimum is to have an understanding of what the controls were set to in that vehicle. And I don't think we're going to get that.

And that is a frustration because that's kind of the key thing in this to understand what happens. Because the reality is most of the investigating that you need to do, as we'll get into, is actually not going to be at the crash site here. We kind of can see what happened. We'll get into it a minute. Train fell over, fell down an embankment and killed some people. The more important stuff is the investigation that's going to be organizational investigation, understanding the drivers, training, you know, procedures for fatigue management,

these sorts of things. And again, those are more difficult things to get under the hood of if you're not the investigator or indeed not the person who's finding out what information they need to make sure doesn't get out. Who knows? I suppose at this point, we do have to ask a question, though, Ros. Yes. Which is...

What happened? What happened? Yeah. Hey, what happened? What happened? So I'm very... Go get him, Gareth. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm spilling up. So I'm very, this is, this is a turbo. Yeah. So I'm very briefly going to tell all of you how trains fall over. And so even if there are lots of other ways that they can happen, but generally they will create one of these six situations I'm going to go through to happen. Also, I want to just briefly say, this is not like a bells and whistles. This is exactly how it all happened, how it went down.

I'm going to be describing what a likely mechanism for the derailment, based on the information. And this is exactly what I would have said before the official announcement that it was an overspeed, which has now happened, by the way. To what extent that's in the public domain? Scoor, is that a news article?

It was it a shine-bam statement? Lots of news articles are leaning into it. It has not been officially announced yet. Really? Okay. Well, I put my flag in the sand. In fact, I put a tweet later of my first flag in the sand. But as soon as I saw Scooter's thread, I was like, that looks like an overspeed.

Now, explain why. So how do trains fall over and next slide? please. Yes. Number one way, flange climb derailment. Don't laugh. That is where you have a train

that is for various reasons and being forced to ride up the rails and find its way off. And that can happen from like a poorly ground wheel or it can happen from a very worn railhead or it can happen from your... A tree is a fickle bitch. Yes, quite.

So generally it's to do with varying forms of light of reduced vertical loading or increased lateral loading. So that's flange climb. It's like one day you're in math class and you're like, when am I going to need to know this angle shit? And it turns out this angle shit being slightly wrong flings you down a mountain. That's why you should have studied the free body diagram. So number two is a critical thing that track has to do.

I don't know why I'm justiculating because none of you can see me doing it. Well, none of you're looking at you're right now. I know. I'm so sorry, Link, so I'm not at my best. Very handsome. I love you so much. So track has to do two things. It has to keep the rails up

and it has to keep them the right distance apart. And if either of those things are no longer happening, then you have a problem. And with the two rails falling apart, that's called gauge spread. That is a way that trains can derail. That's number two. Number three, I should have like the 1980s radio one music

on in the background. Number three, track twist. This is where you are not maintaining your tracks line and level properly and you, a train or a bogey is a very, a truck, should I say, is a very rigid thing, and it cannot twist. And so there is a rate at which the wheels can twist.

And if your track exceeds that, then you will unload the wheels and enable a derailment. That is track. That's why it's important to not have twisty track. At number four. In it, number four is the track buckle. This one is obvious. If this happens, it's...

Oh, dear. That's good for it, right? Yeah, no. That's like the sort of railway track equivalent of like my front teeth. That's no good. This is on me too. Yeah. So we're British and we're matching the stereotype.

I bet you're better than mine though, frankly. Anyway, right. So tracks can buckle for all sorts of reasons. We're not going to get into them now because they'll be able to do it. We'll do another episode on Buckley track. But if it happens, it's bad. Number five. If you want to see three, four and five in succession,

what did the earthquake sequence and the wind rises? Ooh, yeah. I'm now Googling. No, I'm not because I've got to describe this slide. So dynamic ballics is stuff that happens that isn't just a stationary track thing, but actually the track is responding to trains moving over it. So perhaps you have a defect in the railhead

that results in the wheel set of the train being excited, as we call it. We all know what that feels like. And the result of that is that you get a response in the track and the train that amplifies and results in the train falling off. There are lots of different ways this manifests, but this picture kind of a bit shows what that sort of looks like. So Comin Narrows bridging my train? Kind of, yeah, that kind of vibe.

And then in at number six, last but by no means least, is overspeed. Oh, Croydon Tramling. Troude. Used to be my commute and, yeah, did this. This is what happens. This is, I mean, funnily enough, the curvature of the. the track you're looking at now is only marginally tied to them the curve of the crash that we're talking about.

And this is what happens when a train goes too fast around a curve. It falls right over. So this isn't flange climb derailment. This is the center of gravity goes over and the train just falls over from going too fast. Next slide, please. I predicted this. As soon as I saw Scooter's picture here, it was obvious to me that this was, or let's say, not obvious. It seemed pretty unlikely that another cause would explain this behavior of the vehicle.

The way that the train has spread as it's gone around the curve, the way that the locomotive, in this case, the second locomotive you can see has tipped over. It all matches the behavior of an overspeed. Now, to explain what happens here very, very briefly, we're going to go into the science again like we did for the Morpeth episode. So next slide, please. And I'm going to be on it for seconds, mere seconds. When a train goes around a curve, it has an inwards acceleration and an outward acceleration. The outward acceleration is related to the speed of the train.

The inward acceleration is related to the amount that you've tipped the train over with Kant with super elevation or have indeed chosen not to. Next slide, please. That gives, I'm barely giving time for Ross to John Madden this shit. Anyway, that gives us the equation of Kant, which is E plus D equals 11.82

v squared over R for standard gauge track. And that gives us two things, which is how much cant super elevation we have applied, and then up to equilibrium cant where you cancel out the inwards and outwards accelerations, the difference between those two is cant deficiency. This is important. Can't deficiency is how much lateral force you choose not to balance. And there are lots of reasons to do that because actually you don't want to have perfectly balanced forces because not all your trains go at full speed. You have trains going at different speeds. And actually, you want a little bit of can't efficiency for improving

curving forces. There are reasons we do that. But if you're a lot of things, you know, If you are experiencing the symptoms of Kant deficiency, apply to your university philosophy department for a refund for your degree. There's a couple of stations on the northeast corridor where there's a noticeable bank, but also it's a station. Yeah, which isn't a good idea. You should have separate tracks for the trains. It's not a good idea to have lots of banking for your platforms.

It's not the end of the world, but also it's stupid, and we should build better railways. I'll tell you on track. Mostly, mostly you well inside safety. There's only one station on the underground that had a notable bank. Oh. Which is funny actually,

because those platforms are also notably banked. So it's meta. That's meta shit you're talking about. And those corridors are too fucking long. Yeah, I know you had to run in with bank station fairly recently, Ross. It's, yeah. By the way, I should say,

Ross now knows all of this because I sent him with a copy, with this copy, a fourth edition copy, I'm holding up for no one's benefit other than my friends who are. Exactly. I said, Ross, was my only other copy of British Railway Track fourth edition, which I think is the sexiest edition of.

It looks very nice. I read it on the plane on the way back. Oh, that's, I mean, riveting experience, I mean, for me,

yes, sure. I'm probably for you. Actually, Ross, I bet you're pigging shit. Anyway. Anyway.

get this wrong and mostly it's fine except where you get it really wrong next slide please oh yes yeah you can tell when I skip to the slide on my own slide deck slightly faster but yes that ooh is absolutely appropriate this is in Spain and you can see

and there's a reason I want to brief on these pictures you'll notice it's the thing that's the conspiracy This is where they learn to do it. This is a horrible and frightening series of images, but you can see the vehicle rolling over as it comes to the curve. You can see its behavior as it comes through the curve, but also as it hits that concrete wall on the outside,

you can see how the body is being damaged, as it's way around as it's striking things. So these are things that are pertinent. Your frame becomes possessed with the spirit of, I fucking love walls. If you look at the picture five, and compare it to the locomotive in the, in the upper pictures.

That looks suspiciously the same. Yeah, I mean, that's what happens when you have the higher, so you have a higher center of gravity in the locomotives because they've got lots of equipment in them that goes up to the top of the inside of the vehicle. Whereas you have a, but also you're balancing that with the fact that they are heavier and they are therefore have less for propensity to just fly outward.

So there's all these dynamic behaviors going on. I mean the different vehicles in a train format, It shouldn't do different things. So if you've got a series of multiple unit where everything weighs the same, the whole train will kind of do a similar thing, whereas if you have, in this case, a power car with coaches,

or in the case of the crash we're actually talking about, you have two heavy locomotives and a series of fairly substantially lighter passenger cars, then they will behave differently. But also the whole thing, as soon as it digs into hits things or digs into ballast, the whole thing decelerates as well. So the cars for the back train behave differently

to the ones at the first. front. Next slide, please. Here is, I believe, where the crash happened. Yeah, you had to do some like OSIN for this, didn't you? Yeah, I did. And I got it all wrong and then had to do it all again a minute before we recorded. This is, this could be wrong. We're really, really guessing here. We don't know exactly where this happened. This seems to be the good fit, but actually this one's useful for us because it's possibly of this whole stretch of track, which is extremely curvy, by the way. We'll get to why this is relevant in a sec. This whole stretch of track is extremely curvy.

This feels like this is the tightest radius curve that I could find, and it is so tight. Next slide, please. A reminder when I talk about the radius of a curve, a curve is a section of a circle and it has a radius. Don't laugh at my sketchy sketch. And in this case, the radius of this curve is 81 meters. That is insanely

tight. That's so tight. It's like sending it down a right angle. It's like Hornby desktop layout tight, genuinely. Like this is such a tight curve. That is tram level tight. Like the Sandilands curve was 15 meters, or 25 meters even. Like that's not that much less than this. It's just very, very tight.

So next slide, please. Oh, yeah, wait a minute. This slide has been inserted randomly. That's not a place. So curves. Go ahead. Screw her. Say something about curvy.

No, move on. that's a later problem. Yeah. Okay, that's a later problem, everyone. Next slide again. I did some calculations with that curve. So look, it's my tool that I made in Excel when I was a graduate. Is this what you were doing, like, pre-recording while I was talking about jerking off?

Everyone was talking about jerking off while I was simultaneously. I was making a thumbnail about no one. Yeah, fair call out. So I was doing some sums to just check, like, what are the behavioral parameters for a train going around here? It's worth saying that if a train derails around. I also learned here in the second to last word on the heading, a new slur for a trans woman who wears a lot of like different fashion. Yes.

Oh, as a track engineer, that's got Ross. To be clear, the heading it says, Cloathoid transitions. Clauthoid, clothoid transitions. So clothoid transitions. I have to say, as a track engineer, I do, I spend a lot of time doing transitions. transitions.

I have to be clear. I, yeah. Transition leg ratio? Every curve has two transitions. And I do like to get dysphoric about. Straight or curve. Well,

yeah, having lots of trans friends means that I, I've become increasingly confused about what my job is, whether it's legitimately resulted in me thinking different things. I take the damn pill. Right, so this tool allows me to go, how fast could that train go through the curve? And the cant deficiency is what lets me know the point of which the risk that the train falls over becomes more like one than zero. So very briefly, the rules for design of trains in the UK means that all trains are designed to cope with about 450 millimeters of camp deficiency,

which is about 18 degrees of tilting the wrong way, is, essentially. That doesn't mean that they will derail at that point, but it means that they are designed to basically go around a corner way too fast. And that's above two times the speed they should be going around a curve. Again, that's a rule of thumb, not a scientific fact, but about two times. And you'll find this because curve derailments generally is between two and three times the safe speeds that the train has gone before it derails. And so that allows me to give an idea of the minimum speed the trains were going at around this curve to derail.

And next slide, please. As you can see, I've represented this in an equally scientific-looking way of the scribbly notes that I made and then took a photo of on my phone and then put into the slide five minutes before we started recording. So assume this curve is, I've just said, I've just rounded it to 80 meters. For a range of cantz represented here by E, the letter E for elevation, that's not how you pronounce that. It gives you a series of design speed. So, yeah, why not? Fuck it. And that's, so for no can't 50 miles an hour,

we can see there is some banking through the curve. So it's more like the safe speed through here is 20 miles an hour. Possibly it's less. But you could get some. Oh, geez. Okay, so just like creep around there, you know. That's the speed. It's so tight.

That's the speed you're doing. But you could get a train around there. Probably you could get a train safely around that curve at 40 miles an hour. Can you put that in showers just for the Army? general is listening. So in kilometers an hour, that is, where's my design tool, that is 60 is-ish kilometers. So 60,

you could probably get around that curve at 65 kilometers an hour. Oh, you'd hate to be looking at the like sort of track speed signal that says 60 probably. What if this happened because of this, like, of miles per hour? What if this is a classic

miles and kilometers description? Jesus. Well, you'd hope not because if you're going to 60 miles hour, you're definitely fucking going over the edge. But the point here is that this train could be going anything up to 60 miles an hour and potentially have got around this safely. So what I'm saying is above 40 miles an hour, above 38 miles an hour, the likelihood of derailment goes from probably it'll be okay to this is getting pretty close to a

derailment. So the train could have been going 60, 65 miles an hour around that curve. Now, what fascinates me is this is not the first curve that the train went past. even if you go back a couple of slides to look at the aerial view, you can see that there are several curves it goes through. But actually, if anyone gets the Google Maps up and zooms right out, it went through probably, I mean, 20 or 30 curves by this point, including by this point a massive hilarious horseshoe curve.

So for the driver to get up to this speed, I don't, this is where the question comes in. But we know it's an overspeed, but how this happened, like how it got to this point, that's the open question. Next slide, please. And so how this will have worked is that the train will have, come round the curve, the first locomotive will have managed to pretty much get through because of its higher mass and therefore the behavior of the vehicles such that it didn't go over. The second locomotive did not manage to get through for whatever reason that has rolled over,

but the lighter vehicles behind have essentially not been as planted on the track and have gone over much further. Actually, what's likely to have happened is that the car that went over the back pulled the second locomotive over and that's why it struck. So if the two locomotives have gone through on their own at this speed, both of them might have got through fine. But what's happened is that as the lighter and therefore more sprightly passenger cars have rolled over as has gone around the curve, the first car has pulled the second locomotive over.

That second locomotive has struck the embankment here and smashed up, splitting the coupling with the first locomotive, which has rolled forwards with the brakes being applied. the passenger cars further behind have slowed down as all this stuff has happened, therefore they've not tipped over as far. They've also been slowed down longitudinally as they've dug into ballast and dug into things. So that means that that's why they haven't continued to spin off in the way that the first car has. So really it's the kind of the lighter first car that's rolled over has pulled the locomotive over

and pulled the others over. And that's kind of why you get this pretty classical-looking over-spreed vehicle spread. And this looks pretty similar to, for example, next slide, please. Hold on. There is. You're right there, Ros? Yes. I just had to change a bunch of stuff around on my end.

Oh, okay. So it looks very similar to Morpeth here, which we did that time. Remember everyone? Because you can see here, here is the locomotive planted on the track. Fine. And behind, Roz is going to circle up. There's a black thing up there, which is actually not the locomotive. It's the kind of the little wagon that it.

dragged around with it, if you remember that episode. But yeah, but in front of that is the locomotive in White, and it made its way around fine. And then behind it, you can see all the passenger cars that have just spread out and scattered, much like what we've just seen in the crash in Mexico. It just sort of drags everything around and like throes and out behind it. Down the clip.

White of cars spread and scatter. Also, much like next slide, please. Morpeth again, but going in the other direction, where you can see the locomotive come through, and the wagg so you can see the locomotive it actually fell on its side but didn't get very far whereas all the wagons all the passenger cars fly all over the place

and demolish that guy's bungalow if you remember that was a fun episode go watch it again if you haven't before and I'm talking to you Mexican Navy senior so and then also painfully like and there are some similar activities to and this comes into the fact that I don't think that this train would have been going at that full speed

the whole time I I can't imagine that the engineer, the driver the engineer would have gone through that many curves and not gone fuck me, this isn't right? I'm going to slow down. Which is where it comes into a did they, for whatever reason, accelerate the train at short notice or

inadvertently or misjudging which curve they were at potentially thinking they were reaching a straight or section track. I believe this entire section is uphill. Yeah, so did they? And there is a pretty strong uphill too. That's why they need all those loops. Yes, exactly. And there is after, like a curve after this, like a curve or two after where we reckon the crash happened. And I have to say in similar geography is a straighter section of track. It's not straight, but it's straighter. The curves aren't quite as aggressive. Yeah. So is this a root knowledge problem? This is where the open questions come because, okay, knowing that the train is going too fast around the curve, answers almost no questions.

Like that's the thing. Those are questions that you need to ask the engineer, the driver, along with other such questions. questions like how long have you had Spanish citizenship? Do you have pronouns? Are you a wife, Carlos Mantel? Yeah, exactly. So, Caledonian, are you best? Are you?

There's a couple of things to add from the news reports as passengers that were interviewed have said that they felt like they were getting thrown around in the curves beforehand. Which then does indicate that it'd been going faster for longer, but to what extent was that Was that the case? You know, was the driver just kind of balancing, well, I need to go fast to get up this hill versus, yeah. Well, with those two locomotives, too, is you have incredible acceleration. Both are high-geared passenger locomotives that can take off. I mean, they're the same type that's used literally the same that was on Go Transit in Canada for quick start, stop, station operation, transit operation.

Their design have like 12 like double-decker cars. I was going to say 12 very heavy cars and this had four. Sort of sort of the equivalent of like driving a car that's more powerful than you expect and it just sort of creeps up at you and like sort of understores and like throws the ass out except the ass is like a passenger car full of people. Yeah. Four cars with two locomotives. So, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a hell of a power to weight ratio. And again, it's like. My question, why run it that way? I can only assume that they were trans, that they are running one locomotive dead and one locomotive pulling as a backup because of how remote they get. So you've got... Is it possibly a breaking force thing, maybe?

No, okay. Head in power? Well, head end powers on a separate generator on these locomotives. So it's not like your... Yeah. It's a very good question, Nova. And yeah, I was thinking it's a long distance. They just need the redundancy.

That's what I think it is, because they almost always have two locomotives on here. We've seen an SD60 and an F-59, two F-59's, the P-H-I and this locomotive, as we've seen. So the only question is, do they run with both online? And if they run with both online, that easily could explain why this thing went to, okay, kind of trundly to, oh, my God, we're off the side of a hill. So you see through this, like, scoot, you might have more to add. And I know next slide, please, we'll also give, there's more for you to discuss as well. But like, overspeed, yes, that was a thing that it looked obvious. And I was like, that's my gut feeling is what's happened here.

But that only opens up lots of questions, which is why all of the conspiratorial bullshit was frustrating because it was mudding the waters of the discussions that should have been happening. Yeah, you could be having way more informed conspiracy theories. Exactly. Yeah, true. Yeah. Here has gone crazy and they're not asking those questions. They're accusing shame on enough, like, taking selfies with victims and saying that that's, like, parasitic. And they're, like, being really bloodthirsty about this.

No one's asking the right questions. The victims seem to be suing the government for lack of maintenance, which is interesting. I don't know. What are you guys? It's interesting, but it's not the right. It's not a lot avenue. I just don't think maintenance is relevant here. No, looking at the images and the slides, like, it seemed even better than I expected.

Like you all said, the wood seemed new, the metal seemed like in good condition. And like, I don't know, I don't know what to say. There might be maintenance problems elsewhere. In fact, I'm sure there are. There absolutely are. There might be some rolling stock where there are challenges, although I've not seen any. but certainly infrastructure-wise, I'm sure there are problems. But I don't think there is a...

Yeah, the H-ST, yeah, exactly. I don't think there is a problem. I don't think those are in any way contributing factors here. There is no track damage that is noticeable in any picture. And there's one included that is the rear of the train from the looking about 300 feet back, looking at the rear of the train derailed. None of that tracks injured at all.

And in every slide we posted, None of the tracks injured. So for it to be track maintenance, the only thing is that I could even think of is the super elevation. Even that looks okay in the pictures. I mean, it had to be. This is designed for oversized huge American top heavy rolling stocks. Yeah. You know, they couldn't do much super elevation.

Yeah. There are freight trains that went across this and those would absolutely roll. And I've done the calcs for minimum and maximum super elevation, and it doesn't make much difference to the speeds involved, to be honest. So they could, you know, and it doesn't look like a twist fault issue here. Again, there's no obvious geometry defects. It's really disappointing to read the news that they're suing for maintenance. Like, that's really fresh news.

Well, and it's from an attorney that seems predatory. Yeah. And that's just unfortunate. because they will have something to sue about, I'm sure. You know what the worst part about all of this was, for me? Like, personally, not like the 14 people died. That's part of it. But, like, I was in the middle of enjoying myself when the news came of this on another episode.

I was writing about how we almost nuked the United States. We've almost nuked ourselves multiple times. And literally the news came out, just closed the power. point. It was like, nope, that's, that's not happening for a while. Yeah. I was like listening to like a talk by the by the Sepatistas and they were going like

yeah, all these projects fucking suck and then this happened. It's like, damn. Oh shit. I'm scared that there's going to be a couple more of this. Because we're, again, for no fucking reason

rushing to do a bunch of more projects. They're trying to do a cable car before the Olympics in Mexico City. Oh God. Oh God. Like, it's not even a bad idea. Like, this is, these places of valley

surrounded by mountains. Like, cable cars could work. I don't know. But, I mean, we have one that's pretty relatively good. Okay, we did lose Nova, so we're just going to keep going per Nova. All right. Oh, really. Okay. Oh, that's a shame. All right. Well, the

Mexican Navy gained another angel. So, yeah, I mean, the thing here is, you know, we got to remember there's going to be an investigation. People are going to try and assign blame. And I think a cautionary tale here is M-Track 188 at Frankfurt. Oh, yes. Thanks for nothing, Josh Shapiro. Yeah. So the long story short here is Frankfurt Junction is a very tight curve in Philadelphia.

I think the speed limit is something late 60 coming southbound. you're coming off of, I think, 125 mile an hour segment coming northbound. I think it's only 80. So there were systems in place to stop you from going over speed around this curve from the north, excuse me, if you were coming southbound, but not if you were coming northbound. 50 mile an hour. 50 mile an hour. Damn.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And so there was one engineer who worked for M-Track. He somehow managed to get through. through the rail fan filter. Because he was, oh, no.

He was a, you know, very safety conscious, very much a, you know, someone who was like, I mean, he posted on,

I want to say it was trainorders.com. Say, oh boy. I go through this, this curve every day. If they don't put automatic train stop on the northbound side, someone's going to cause an accident here,

right? Right. Yep. So, anyway, there was one night where he was distracted because of reports of, I think, kids throwing rocks and trains, which is something we do in Philly, of course, if you've listened, if you've watched, it's always sunny in Philadelphia. And so he got distracted and he lost track to where he was. And he started accelerating for the straightaway after Frankfurt Junction. And overspeed, you know,

straight off the curve into the yard. Thank God this wasn't fully. of molten phenol as it usually is. The molten phenol was all back here. And yeah, so the train wrapped around a catenary pole. Most of the cars were intact. A lot of people died. I mean, we'll do an episode on this at some point. But, you know, the most safety conscious guy out there still made a brain fart and still derailed the train because there wasn't the safety system wasn't in place. Yep. They crucified him. Yes. I mean, M-Track did eventually install the safety system. But yeah, Governor Josh Shapiro, he wasn't governor at the time, he was like Attorney General. Yep. Brought charges against the guy because more than once, right? Multiple times. People were not

satisfied with the answer that the railroad had deficiencies. It was just like, let's try and bring criminal charges against this guy. And that's what... That's massively my worry is going to be here, is that justice will seem to be done if they crucify the poor driver of this train. Yeah. And that'll be the end of it. There'll be no inward looking.

There'll be no consideration of maybe we should have one or more signals. There'll be nothing like that. Yeah. The first thing I read other than it happened was they have the crew and they are interrogating, not investigating interrogate and i and i know i've heard a peep about it like there's no news about them i really hope that that was a translation error uh well well yeah like this was your example had was about like john shapiro and philadelphia and stuff like that this train is run by the navy and like yeah no yeah this is a much much worse scenario i think for

anyone who was involved, who was the crew. I don't think there's, there's going to be, like, I, I don't even know where to start there, you know? It's going to be another update. I'm just, I can feel it in my bones. We're going to be doing a third episode about this. Yeah. If they just say, well, we got the guy.

We put him in prison. It's a complete farce. Yep. That achieves nothing. It doesn't do anything. Well, and if they do the opposite, too, we interviewed. the crew, they said they were doing the right thing. Okay, it's over.

Or there's going to be like legal battles, legal battles about maintenance, and then they're going to check the maintenance, and you're going to say, well, this track seems okay, so case closed. There's like several avenues and to get to nowhere here. Yep. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of ways, you know,

at some point you have to acknowledge the fact that you built a brand new 1907 railroad. Maybe you should install some safety. systems. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was trying to think of something piffy to, but no, like, and it might be a good idea to have

an independent investigating team to at least highlight some of that. But like all the ergonomics, all the fatigue, all of that stuff, it's very difficult to see a world in which that gets highlighted and addressed and considered, you know, but just to reemphasize, it's not just the engineering stuff. There's a lot of human behavior stuff that's really important in these sorts of situations. Yeah. And that is, it's just not, I just, I have no confidence that. that stuff's going to get looked into in any detail whatsoever.

Absolutely. And not for like racist color grade reasons, but for there are specific political reasons right now that we in this podcast have highlighted why that's not going, there is not an obvious pathway for that information to be made public in any form whatsoever. Sure. We generally some racist things like a lot of conservatives don't care about,

instead of saying, oh, maybe we should consider like making trains that go through indigenous lands in the market. consensual way, they say Indians don't know how to ride trains. So, yeah. And those are like internally Mexican, like colorism or racism reasons that this might go nowhere. Yeah. I think it is.

There's also a broader North American problem about railroads is that, you know, the idea is, well, accidents just happened. It was probably human error. Just leave it like that. You know, it's, it's amazing when you sort of consider it compared to like how airlines operate, you know, where people are... Yeah, with a mass publicly funded system of safety infrastructure.

Yeah. Which, yeah, which everyone seems to think is somehow magically privately funded. No, no, the state just spends billions and billions on that shit. Yeah. Yeah. I would like to... I would like to say, like, clearly the train good.

Like, 200 plus people were on this train. It's like, apparently always sold out. Like, it would be a shame for them to not learn anything from this and also clip it. Yeah. And like it's already built like the environmental and like cultural damage, it's done. What people, in fact, the complaint about the people who got displaced or like have

some cultural position to this is that well, where's the promise development? Where's the hospitals? Where's the infrastructure? Where's the safety regulations and the cross signals and piping, I don't know. Well, I'll tell you what, if it was a 1907 railroad, the railroad would have built the hospital because they would have had to.

Yeah. For the railroad, yeah. Yeah, just for the railroad workers and everyone else. But like, my grandfather was treated at the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad Hospital in Clifton Forge. Oh. Yeah, well, one of several hospitals he was treated at.

Anyway. But like, yeah, like order new trains. If that makes you happy, order new trains. I, it just, it's just, would be such a loss to start to back away from doing more trains. And it's, from what I've seen, it doesn't look like they plan to. But like, yeah. No, and I honestly, like, don't tell you shemone, but I think her projects are better designed than this.

I think there's an upgrade in, like, like, shameen styles herself as like a more scientifically minded, and to a certain extent, it's propaganda, but, but it's, It also kind of is true. And the train lanes she's proposed were what we were complaining that they were not doing while they were doing the termite. Okay. Right. So, and there's still some problems about, you know, land rights and rushing and in position. But I have to say they seem to be at least more in demand than this.

And this seems to have, like you said, organic demand already. So I'm not a train hater. The worst thing that Emily did to me was make me a trained hater. And I need to be right about this. I think we all hate it to be right. We all hate it. I will say that the other thing about most of the most of Shinebound's proposed routes is that they are along existing,

you know, private railroads, which actually have a lot better safety systems than this thing. Yeah. Yeah. And they ordered new equipment for it. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, like Dr.

Seymond strikes again. Yeah. Can we go to slide 31 to close this out? Oh, yeah. By the way, I've read Shanebun's thesis. It's pretty good. People say that she didn't hear for her doctoral thesis. It's kind of nice, actually.

Anyways. She's like an actual scientist. So I threw this in here at last minute because one of the last thing, that we haven't talked about that has bothered this shit out of me and all this is you can't run trains on railroads like that. And you know, Gareth has said like, this is tram track. These are tram curves. You can.

This is Amtrak's Southwest chief on Rattan paths. Very similar railroad. Incredibly similar. Incredibly remote railroading. But it's signaled with ABS signals. It has automatic train stop. Yeah. Yeah.

They run with dynamic breaks, something we haven't talked about because that's just baseless speculation, but they have the systems in place to more prevent these types of accidents. But it's incredibly tight railroading. It's slow. It's remote. And it's doable. Yeah. I mean, Belgrade Barr and Mostar Sarajevo jumped to mind as railroads in Europe in the former Yugoslavia that are,

that have extremely tight curves because they have to go up and down a mountain, standard gauge railroads that are signaled. You know, they're fully signaled. They're like brand new railroads being built in China, like conventional railroads, which have, you know, horrible hairpins and all the loops and everything.

And, well, yeah, they also have signals, though. Yeah, I mean, you know. But there's like no point to blowing a tunnel through the mountain just because you want to make the railroad seem more infrastructure. I mean, you can do that. You can. And there might be justification for doing that. And again, I go to former Yugoslavia Croatia is doing quite a bit of that at the moment,

which is bypassing some of its old weavy stuff with some bypass straight lines. You can do that. But you have to, you know, there is a cost to doing that. And you have to justify it. And one train of a day might not be worth it. But you can still do it. I think if they want to compete with the Panama Canal, do the thing they think they're going to do, they do have to build that tunnel.

If you're running a social democracy, you've got to run a social democracy. You can't halfway, you can't do half and half. Half asset. Yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of like, okay, this has got to be like at least 80 mile an hour railroad the whole way through. We got to have like two, maybe three tracks. We got to build the biggest, most efficient port on each end in order to compete with

Panama Canal. That thing needs to be either fully automated or. run with slave labor. It's difficult to compete with the Panama can out. I'll tell you what you can do is you list off all the tight curve. What I'd be doing, if I was managing this, if I was engineer and manager this railway line, I'd have a list of the curves and I'd work my way from tightest upwards and create small, smooth, you know, easing projects for those where it's possible to do so.

Of course, the challenge on maintenance grades with diesel traction rather than electric traction is that those curves are there because you need that much length to get up the gradient. And every time you slack in a curve, you have a steeper gradient. So there are, this is why you end up

having to do the whole job lot in sort of mountainous terrain. Either you weave the contours or you cut straight through the hill. But yeah, like there are ways to do that. But again, I would say there are other priorities. And Shinebaum has a few of those listed off. I'd say attempting to do

huge amount to make amends for the mess that was, Tren Meyer, should be high on the agenda. Oh, they're not going to touch that. They're not going to mention it. They're too busy making a giant AI supercomputer. Yeah, Fintra O'Sciano was incompetent and inept. Maya was, you know, Tren Maya was absolutely malicious. Yeah. You know, but that's, also a former previous episode on that.

I wonder who was on top of that. Anyway, yeah, a scooter, yeah, thanks for that. A neat way to round off, I think. Train is good. Train good, but dot-da-do. Train should be good. Train should be good. That's a good way to put out.

We would want to have a good, good train. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just want my last statement to be, stay informed, don't let this die, and hope and pray that the right answers come through for those that were affected. Yeah. Yeah. Because the attorney general's office is investigating, right? Yes.

Yeah. Well, at least we, our attorney, we just switched from the most corrupt attorney general we've ever seen to, like, a one that's less corrupt, but way more friendly to shame. So I think it was an upgrade, but it might mean that we don't get that much info out of this. The bar is so low. It's, honestly, that attorney general was single, worse, in my opinion, the worst appointment Amlo made ever. Oh. Yeah.

His name was Hertzmanero. He was in charge of Operation Condor in Mexico. Like, he was like a straight-up CIA asset. I'm, Jesus Christ. one of the worst upon this is the official opinion of the podcast I mean he ran

Opetacion Condor that's that's that's Pinochet shit yeah crazy that he was the AG but now now we have

less respected AG by the conservatives but I it's an awkward so hell maybe maybe we get some

info out of this hopefully hopefully hopefully I'm sure we get some reforms out of this yeah

I'm sure we will hear about it yeah well I'm sure You guys are going to get out of it. That's what I know. What's the next episode on, Ross?

What is the next episode on? You could backfill the slide deck later. Yeah, right. It's a news brief, so I didn't even add the concluding side. The next episode is going to be on Chernobyl. Does anyone have any commercials before we go? Listen to Kill James Bond. Listen to No Gods, No Mares.

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