Well with Arielle Lorre - 13: LINDSEY ERIN - Founder of Owl Venice on Bone Broth & Balance

Episode Date: July 10, 2019

  In this episode Arielle talks to Lindsey Erin, founder of OWL Venice, about how she went from living a fast unhealthy lifestyle to becoming LA's bone broth queen. They discuss the benefits of bone broth and how Lindsey used it to heal her body, but they also chat about the importance of not stressing or being overly rigid with food choices, the B word (balance), different ways of eating, the importance of ritual and cooking, and so much more! For more about OWL Venice go here! For Arielle's cookbook:https://theblondefiles.com/the-blonde-files-cookbook/ Follow Arielle here on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ariellelorre/ And catch up with Arielle here on YouTubeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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without your reis-sondor or sunikars. You're listening to the Blondfiles podcast. I'm your host Ariel Lori. I hope everybody is having a great week so far. If you're listening to this on Wednesday, I am on my way to New York. I'm going to be there for about a week. I'm doing a bunch of podcasts when I'm there and some other work. And I'm also having an event on Sunday, which I'm really

excited about. It's kind of something that we threw together last minute, but I really wanted to just have an opportunity to meet a bunch of you in real life. life. And it's something that I want to do more of this year. So once we're done with this one, we're definitely going to plan one in L.A. because I have to. And then we're going to look at some other cities to kind of bop around too. So keep an eye out for an announcement. I will be keeping you guys up to speed on all of that on Instagram. So I have a great episode for you today. I have Lindsay Aaron. Lindsay is the founder of Owl Venice. Owl stands for one whole life, and Owl Venice is a bone broth company, and they have a skincare line now as well. So I will let Lindsay

tell her story, but the company came to fruition as a result of her personal journey to health. She was experiencing different health issues, and she began making her own bone broth. with locally sourced bones and an array of herbs and veggies and through months of testing and development she created a broth recipe which is their signature product now and if you live in California you've probably seen it in your local grocery store lots of influencers love it so it's all over Instagram myself included and I just love everything that she stands for they also have a zero waste policy, which is amazing. And they just opened their first store on Abbott Kinney in Venice. So it doesn't get much cooler than that. But she has a really interesting

story and she just has a really refreshing take on living a healthy lifestyle. And I love that we talk about like gut health and gut healing protocols. And she's, a proponent for like just eating your pizza like just eat a piece of pizza if you want pizza even if you're healing your gut um and it's really interesting because you don't really hear that perspective very often so you'll hear that later in the episode and i won't spoil it anymore so without further ado lindsay aaron okay so i have lindsay here from owl venice one whole life hi hi thank you so much for coming thanks for having me You have been so supportive of me on my journey and I just love your broth and your cleanse and

everything that you stand for. So I'm really excited to have you here today and talk about how your business came to be and your personal journey and all of that. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Of course. So I read a little bit about why you started and about your journey, but for the listeners who probably don't know, why don't you kind of give them a background. Okay, great. I always feel like my health journey started about 10 years ago when I moved to Chicago. My mom was diagnosed with breast cancer.

And until that time, I never really thought about the effects of my diet or lifestyle choices on my long-term health. So that was a big wake-up call for me. At that point in my life, I was pretty much living on cheez-its and diet coke. Nice. Going out late partying, I was working in the music industry. So my mom was always really healthy, dietitian, and I thought, oh, shit, if this can happen to her, then I'm definitely screwed. So that's when I really really started paying attention to what I was eating. I started doing a lot of research on food as medicine. I started cooking, trying out different diets. I tried veganism and plant-based diet, paleo, and that just kind of spurred me into always researching about superfoods or food

as medicine. And I started feeling really out of place in Chicago, I think, after I started that journey because it was such a drinking culture and everyone thought it was really weird what I was doing and they would ask me questions about it and you could tell that when you started talking about it people were interested but it just wasn't really it wasn't a thing in Chicago at that time yet like it is now in LA I'm sure you know like we have healthy food options everywhere everyone knows about plant-based diet and the effect of nutrition on our bodies and our ability to heal and all that. But it just wasn't part of the culture or part of what my friends were talking about or doing at that time. So after that, I moved to L.A. I wanted to get out of the music scene. It was a really

male-dominated industry. Didn't feel healthy. I wanted to be somewhere where I could go outside. A lot of my friends from college lived out in California. So I moved out about seven years ago to California, started working for a footwear company, doing marketing and graphic design, that sort of thing. And in L.A., I just was surrounded by healthy food options and people talking about health. And it was a way of connecting with people

and making friends and my interest in it only started growing. And after two years, I left my job at Blowfish, and I started working for myself doing mostly graphic and web design projects and photography as well. And I started cooking a lot more. I started a blog. I'd share a lot of healthy recipes and that sort of thing. and then a few years into that, I started getting really horrible acne. I went off birth control and I just couldn't figure out how to get rid of it.

I was trying all different kinds of products, spending so much money, changing my diet, all this stuff, nothing helped. And then I went home for the summer. My mom told me about how her friend's daughter had acne as well. and she recommended that I tried doing oil cleansing method. I'd never heard about it before. I was like, that doesn't make sense. My skin's oily and breaking out, how good putting oil on it work.

But I tried it. It cleared up my skin so much. And I started making my own products. I started blending different oils I was researching about and adding essential oils and created this line of skincare products. And I launched owl. Like it actually first started as a skincare company. And I was doing workshops around town at Whole Foods.

I was really passionate about it. And it never took off. Like my friends and family ordered it, like a couple people. But it just didn't take off. People didn't get it. And then I went through a breakup. And my health was really, even though I ate all organic and I thought I was healthy, I wasn't.

I was getting sinus infections all the time, constant. allergies. I didn't realize I had a lot of gut issues going on. And after the breakup, I just wanted to take care of myself. I started drinking bone broth. And then I started reading about low Fodmab diet, stopped eating garlic and onions. And I couldn't find any broth on the market that didn't have garlic or onions. So I started making my own, adding a bunch of herbs to mask the taste of it because I actually hated the taste of bone broth. And I kind of landed on what. now like Owls flagship product and all my friends were interested. I put up a post on Facebook and I've been like pretty much making broth ever since. Wow. That's amazing that it started out as a

skincare thing and then kind of turned into broth. But now you still have your skincare line. Yeah, we just reintroduced the skincare in the last six months. So it felt like the brand was established enough where we could really start branching out and trying out new products. Right. So, okay, there's a few things that I want to unpack, but how quickly after you kind of landed on your recipe for broth, which is different from other broths on the market and that it's more of like an elixir, right? Yeah. And so how quickly after you started incorporating that, did the health issues that you were experiencing start to clear up or like what benefits did you notice? I would say, so I always had a pot of broth going. was experimenting every week I would go to the market and put different herbs or vegetables in it.

And so every night, rather than having alcohol or ice cream or potato chips, I had my cup of broth. And so I was really consistent about it. It was kind of my evening ritual. And after a week or two, I started noticing in yoga class my joints were really lubricated. I was feeling really loose and good in my body. that was the first thing I noticed then a couple weeks after that I started noticing that my skin felt really moisturized and then it was about a month or I would say four to six weeks before I really started noticing the internal effects and my digestion really getting a lot better and improving and I will say

that on top of doing the broth I also cut out dairy gluten alcohol sugar so it was a combination of all of those lifestyle choices and the consistent effort. But it was definitely a month, four to six weeks into things before I really started noticing. I think that's important for people to hear because I think a lot of people myself included, like when I was having gut issues, it's hard to have the patience to like really make lifestyle changes. And like you said, to be consistent with something long enough, like you can't just drink bone broth for a couple days necessarily. And like all of a sudden, like your bloating is gone.

Right. And you're using it for more of the immune boosting effects, which I have heard and experienced bone broth helping more immediately with those types of symptoms. But yeah, if you're suffering from a gut issue, usually that's like years and hears of abuse. abuse, I guess, to your system. It takes some time to reverse those effects.

Yeah. And with your gut issues, I know that you said that your mom is a dietitian, right? Yeah. So your mom was really health conscious growing up. And before you started, Owl, you were kind of subsisting on some unhealthy things. But were you always like that? Or were you like, did your mom try to? Well, I will say my mom was a dietitian.

however, she also was in the health trend at that time with low fat. So I remember having margarine and wow chips in the house. So there were some things that were quote unquote healthy at the time that obviously we've learned are not. But my mom cooked dinner for the family every night. Every night we came together and we had dinner. So I was impacted by seeing her cooking and having that connection with food and community. and community and coming together with my family, I think that that feeling is what's inspired me

and that I've been coming back to. Yeah, and I feel like I kind of had a similar upbringing around food and that, like, my dad was actually the chef in the family and he would cook every night my mom would help too, but, like, having that prepared home-cooked, kind of prepared fresh food, I think helped me down the line because I also, you know, as a teenager, like, I would eat mac and cheese out of the box with, like, ranch dressing on it and, like, all this ramen noodles.

Oh, so much ramen. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. And as I got older, though, like, now, like, I genuinely have an affinity for healthy food. Like, that's what I crave. And I think it goes back to having that when I was younger because I know people that didn't and who just always ate, like, processed food. and they have a really hard time adopting healthier choices now when it comes to nutrition.

Yeah, I mean, I had both. I would go to school and eat ice cream for lunch and then I'd go home and have a home-cooked meal. So that definitely kept me grounded. Do you think that having those kind of foods, maybe the less healthy stuff in your diet when you were younger, caught up with you and was contributed to your gut issues or anything like that? To be honest, no. I think I ate enough whole foods and exercised enough and I was healthy and young enough to move those things along through my system. However, what did impact my gut issues directly, I think, was more so. When I was in Chicago, I started getting, oh, I went on to a wedding and I got a severe kidney infection. I was. in Anguilla for a wedding, I came back. I thought I had the flu. And I had a kidney infection. A week later, I started peeing like bright orange. And then when I went to the doctor, I found out I only had one working kidney. I went on all kinds of antibiotics. And then after that, it was like fear

that something would happen anytime I thought I might have a UTI or a kidney infection or anything I was taking antibiotics. So I want to say I took like four or five rounds of antibiotics in like a year period. And I think that really affected me and my gut stuff. Yeah, I can relate to that. I used to pop antibiotics like they were vitamins. And my dad's a doctor and he would always warn me about it, not so much about like the effect on the microbiome, but just developing resistance to antibiotics and now I know obviously that like I probably wiped out all the good bacteria along with the bad stuff and I think that really with my issues came back to kind of haunt me. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot people do that. Yeah. So how did you land on your recipe? Um, you know, the first time I tried to

make bone broth, I almost burned my house down. I left the lid open a little bit and so much air escape that I woke up in the morning and it was just a burnt mess on the bottom of the pot. I had to throw it away. And after that, I'm surprised I didn't give up. But I really just went to the farmer's market every week and played around with stuff and figuring out how long to simmer the bones versus the vegetables. Because if I noticed when I was doing the vegetables for as long as the bones, it would get bitter. And I was just kind of playing around and experimenting.

And I don't think we landed on a permanent recipe until maybe six months in. for a while, every week I'd have a new recipe. But we landed on something where we're able to get all of the ingredients year-round, fresh. All of the herbs that we put in are fresh from the local farmer's markets. So it was through the experimentation of finding what was available. We use ginger and turmeric in place of garlic and onions in our recipes. and then we use fennels with chard carrots and celery, which are all gut healing ingredients and then a wide range of herbs as well.

That's huge because so many people are sensitive to garlic and onion. And you're right, I don't think it's in pretty much every broth that I've ever come across has that. Most of them do. Yeah. There's a few now that are taking more of the medicinal. Right. Or approach to bone top.

Yeah, because it is kind of counterintuitive. Like this gut healing concoction then has like some common irritants. It's just kind of like. Yeah, it's interesting. I remember asking my friend who was a health coach at the time like, oh, I'm not supposed to have garlic and onions, but what about in broth? Is it the same thing if it's not the food itself? She was like, yeah, you can still be irritated by it.

I was like, oh, shit. So I started looking everywhere. I didn't want to make my own. Right. I was like, I want to buy it. How did you learn about herbs and like the power of herbs? I've always just loved herbs, the smells of them. And I did a lot of research on just different food is medicine.

So researching how to heal this or that. And I kept coming across herbs as remedies for all of these different. diseases or symptoms and so I just thought honestly what better way to mask the taste of this stuff because I couldn't it was disgusting to me thought of like bone broth and the really like jelly right I couldn't it wasn't my thing so I was like I want the benefits but I want it to taste good so it was kind of a happy accent I guess so how do you for people like me who have no idea. How do you even make bone broth? So there's a lot of different ways to do it, but we put bones in frozen with apple cider

vinegar and we simmer them for 24 to 36 hours and then we drop in the herbs and vegetables in the last three to six hours and then we strain it. But you can also make it really easily in an instant pot. I do that now still for the dogs because they can't have our broth. because of the ginger and turmeric. But you can just literally throw the scraps of a rotissory chicken or whatever bones meat you want into the instant pot, cover it with water, add a little apple cider vinegar, which helps to mineralize the bones and put on pressure cook

for like three or four hours and you get the same consistency as like a long simmer on the stove top and less smell, less clean up. Instant pot. What did we do before the instant pot? I don't know. I lost the little top valve to mine. And I haven't been able to use it in a while. Bone broth is kind of like, quote unquote, trendy right now.

But what people might not know is that it's been like around for centuries, right? Yeah. So who can benefit from bone broth in your opinion? In my opinion, everyone can benefit from bone broth. In one form or another, it's been around for centuries. You're right. And every culture has its own version because in the past, we were conscious about using all of the parts of the animal and being sustainable and getting the benefits from the marrow

in all parts of the animal. So what I love about bone broth is that it really meets everyone where you're at. So whether you're healthy or sick or young or old or whether you're using it to help fight a cold or repair from injury or recover from injury or just to get basic nutrition for somebody who's maybe going through chemo and doesn't have an appetite, it's a great way to just get nutrients. I've heard of a lot of people giving it to their kids as their first introduction food. Ours especially is great for that with the herbs because it helps to develop. their palate. It's also amazing for pre-postnatal postpartum recovery. Yeah, I've seen so many different people dealing with so many different issues, having such positive experiences with broth that, to me, it's undeniable that it's a healthy thing for us. So let's rewind a little bit. I'm kind of

jumping all over the place. But once you landed on your recipe, and you were incorporating it into your lifestyle, how did you then turn it into a business? I mean, when you started making it, did you have the intention of? No. I know that you were trying to have a skincare line. And so when you were- Oh, yeah, I had my skincare line. I had no intention of starting a bone broth company. But a couple months into it, my friends were like, oh, my God, what have you been doing?

I lost like 20 pounds. My skin was great. I was I you could Thriving. Yeah but really it was from the end it was started from the inside but yeah people noticed the outside effects and um they started asking me to make some for them and so I would and then my friend and mentor um called me one day and she said okay I have a friend he just

went to his colon doctor she prescribed him bone broth will you make him some he'll pay you And I was like, okay, sure. And I went and found the bones from Byronch Direct, which we still use at the farmer's market, and made a big pot. And I had like five jars left over after what I gave him. So I put up a post on a women's group on Facebook. And I swear, we got like 600 likes and 100 orders in a week on this post. Wow. I drove to surf us three and a half years.

years ago. Yeah, I drove to Surfas, bought a couple big pots and I was like, okay, let's do this. And I've been pretty much like just keeping up with it since then. Wow. Yeah. That's amazing. And you guys, you're sold only in LA right now? No, we have accounts from San Diego up to Fresno. Okay. Mostly in L.A. We have 30 or so locations and then we sell online as well. And you guys have an amazing Cleanse, which I did maybe in the beginning of this year or like this sometime in the winter. So the broth is amazing, but like the macha and the what was the other one? The golden. So good. So how did you come up with that? I was following this low FodMap elimination diet

and I was really inspired by the all-liquid cleanse, the juice cleanses, but I could never get through one myself. It was just too light in calories and left me feeling depleted, and then afterwards I just went back to old patterns. I never really saw any effects plus all of the sugar. I was like, how can I take that same idea where you're giving the body all liquid? so the digestive system has more energy to work on repairing itself, but do it in a way where I'm going to feel full and satisfied. And so I just started playing around. And honestly, like the original recipes for the shakes that I did

were pretty similar to what they still are. But I was like, okay, I'm going to do a morning with spirulina and something and a turmeric one that will be more of the nighttime. Originally, the golden ginger was the evening drink. I switched it around later on. And then I wanted something with another beautiful color. So that's why I went with beats. And it really is kind of like a green, yellow, red.

It's a rainbow. Yeah. A delicious rainbow. Yeah. So I did it for four days, I believe, right? three or four days it's hard to remember um and i was i was afraid because i am like i mean i think i'm like a snacker right and like i eat it's just kind of like a comfort thing half the time um and i had never done a cleanse before but you can incorporate some food like i think i had

avocado yeah squash it's really just focusing on foods that are easy to digest um the idea behind the cleanse was never to deprive yourself. So I've always left it optional for people to add in food. I didn't want to recommend that anyone didn't add in food and, you know, have somebody like passing out because they're not listening to their body. So when I did it, I did it 10 days without food and I was fine. But yeah, I think that it still has amazing benefits. Even if you incorporate food, I just recommend people stay away from raw foods, cruciferous vegetables. and just focus on gut nourishing foods that are easy to digest. Yeah, I think the issue, so the first couple days, the second day I was like euphoric.

And the third day too, but then I started getting that like kind of like compulsive bottomless pit feeling and feeling like I needed. And I was like, I think this is my hormones. Like I think I'm going to get my period. And it actually just so lined up that like it was, I started it right. before I got my period. So the last day, I was like, oh, my God, because you know when you're PMS. That's got to be the hardest time to do it.

Yeah. Because I want pizza and french fries before I get my period. It's just that like manic feeling like you just need to like put something. You just need to eat, no whether you're hungry or not. But other than that, it was amazing. And those drinks, I always tell people are like the best. Can you buy those anywhere? You can pre-order them on the website.

And then sometimes we have them available in the store. I'm like, I don't want to start making stuff and throwing it away at the end of the day. So as soon as we get consistent people coming and asking, we'll probably have them available at the shop. But for right now, it's all made to order. Yeah, so when did you open your shop? It's on Abbott County, right? Yeah. Look at you.

Yeah. I mean, that was a very serendipitous situation. We gifted the Adam from Acutonics next door to us an eight-day cleanse a long time ago. And when the space became available, the landlord got in touch with him to take over the space to do his herbs next door and build out more of like an impoticary for his acupuncture business. And he was like, I'm not ready for it. And he reached out to us and said, hey, do you want this spot? And yeah, we just went for it. It felt like the universe was like, do you want to grow or not?

It's your choice. So we signed the lease in March about two days after he presented us with the opportunity. And we did the build out for a couple months, had a mold situation, which held everything up. But yeah, now we're all set up there. We started opening for semi-regular hours three weeks ago about. We haven't done our soft opening yet. And there's still no sign on the door. I'm just like taking it day by day and trying not to let it stress me out.

It's so exciting though. But it, I mean, it's whatever you're doing is working, obviously. Yeah. Kind of like you're like an accidental entrepreneur. It's honestly like the, it directs me. The business tells me where it's going. It always kind of has. I feel like I'm just behind the wheel, but the car is driving itself or I don't know.

It's always felt like that. like very organic and we've been super lucky with people like you that support us and help us grow and get the word out very organically we've never had to pay for advertising or things like that so yeah i feel really fortunate that's amazing especially in this day and age yeah to not have to you know to and that's a testament to your product too yeah people are passionate about it and sharing it without you guys having to go out there and seek them yeah and pay them and pay them and all of that. And you know when things are just kind of flowing like that,

that you're like in alignment with the universe, right? Yeah. Yeah. It definitely feels like a responsibility. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So what is your lifestyle like outside of owl and the bone broth? And how did that evolve as you kind of transitioned from Chicago to

here and and along this journey. Yeah. In the beginning, there was no lifestyle outside of Owl. Yeah. More and more so I'm getting there and finding balance, but it was kind of an all-in thing. I didn't even know what I was getting into. It was like I was in over my head from the minute I started because I never worked out of a commercial kitchen space. I was hand-pouring every single jar. of broth through a tea strainer at my house. I had no idea how to scale the production to anything sizable at that time. But I've been blessed with people along the path who have really helped me out. About six months or so into it, I want to say I got rid of my house because I couldn't afford a kitchen and a house.

And was just pretty rogue and homeless for a year, just going from kitchen to kitchen. and really just going wherever was necessary. And at that point, there was no life outside of owl. It was all in labeling broth until 3 in the morning and basically living out of a Prius. About a year and a half, two years ago, moved into an apartment in Playa Delray or house. And now there's much more balance.

We're growing our team every day, which is taking a lot of delivery. load off of me and it's fun to see how the business takes form when there's more people more hands in it and more people contributing and we're really lucky to have like a family of people that have come together and it really feels like a family business so yeah life outside of owl there's not much it's getting there so how do you take care of yourself uh rituals are really important to me waking up and having lemon water, going for walks with the dogs. I used to be a yoga person, but I kind of converted into Pilates person a couple months ago,

and I've been doing that. It's so grounding, right? Yeah. I mean, I love yoga, but for me, it's more ethereal and less in my physical body. It's almost like a moving meditation for me, but Pilates is, a whole other way of connecting with my body that feels very physical and the results are more physical than the yoga for me but yeah and trying to make time to cook myself meals and sit down for a nice dinner those are the moments where I feel like I'm nourishing myself and grounding yeah so

I'm curious what your diet is like now because you mentioned that you were you tried out various diets and lifestyle, I guess I'll call them, like veganism and what is, yeah, what do you eat now? And are your gut, is your gut healed now? And where do you, where are you with all that? Yeah, I would say my gut is pretty solid. Of course, like, you know, I eat too much of the Buffalo cauliflower from Air One and I get gas like everybody else. But yeah, my diet's pretty flexible at this point. I have pizza. I have hamburgers, cheeseburgers. I don't eat a lot of dairy or a lot of gluten, but I'm not opposed to it either. I eat a pretty plant-based diet, depending on how life is going. You know, last week I ate a lot of pizza. This week I am back on the green train. But yeah, I kind of,

I don't put a lot of emphasis on really dieting or restriction. I like to focus on chronobiology, which is eating around the sun in your circadian rhythms, because it's really a way to focus on what you can have rather than what you shouldn't have or avoid. For me, I want a year drinking the bone broth and having a very restrictive diet, which really helped my gut issues. But at a certain point, it was no longer serving me. It was stressing my body out too much to always think about what I couldn't have. and I started feeling deprived.

And now I've welcomed pretty much everything back in in moderation. And I kind of just listened to my body. That's so important for people to hear myself included because it can be hard. We can kind of develop this fear. I know for me at least, like I was healing my gut really rigidly for like a little over a year. And it's hard to then like reintroduce things.

and you're, I know like I was really afraid of regression, regress, I can't even talk, regression. And, but it's so important. Like what we, what we needed last month even isn't necessarily what we need now. Yeah, I hear and I see that all of the time and it breaks my heart because I've been there and I feel it. But it is another form of disordered eating when we start to focus too much on what we can't have. that fear, you know, your gut's going to be fine if you have a slice of pizza, even if it's in the midst of a gut healing protocol. If that's filling you up, that's what you should eat. And I heard

something that was, it's not as important what you eat, but that it's made by someone who loves you. And I just love that. I'm like, cry. But just preparing food for yourself, pouring love into it, having home cooked meals community foods about community to me celebration family coming together and yeah it's important not not to go too far into being scared of food ultimately you're going to be fine and gas or a little blow it doesn't really matter it's just about being happy and balanced and that fear and the stress around what you're eating can totally manifest itself yeah on your skin and in so many ways. So so often it's best to just eat whatever the thing is that you're stressing. Well, if we're stressed out, our digestion literally shuts down. So it doesn't matter how

healthy you're eating. If you're stressed out, you're not digesting it anyways. Yeah. And you can do both. Like you can have the pizza and then you can have bone broth. Right? And like, yeah. Like add that in. It's not one or the other. And you're not bad if you have. the thing that's like not quote unquote healthy like you can no yeah the idea is to not go to these extremes and the idea with doing any of these gut healing protocols is not so that you're never going to eat dairy or gluten or any of these things ever again the goal in doing the diets is that you heal the gut and you can enjoy those things in life I think so many people forget that and it's just like that's put in the bad list like the never eat that list I think we get like a high on the discipline yeah and

we're like, oh, I did that, you know, it's almost like an accomplishment at that point. And I think that drives a lot of people to keep going. Yeah, and like orthorexia is such a thing now too. I had somebody else on the podcast a while ago, and we were talking about that. And that's like very disordered eating. It's just not like classified as like an eating disorder. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, we get that all the time. Like people nervous about the carrots and the broth because of the sugar and, like, like little things like that. And it's just, it's sad because, I mean, a lot of the messaging out there is putting people in a mindset where they're afraid of a lot of food. Yeah. And I feel like especially in L.A. where it's like everybody is so hyper.

Yes. Especially. Body and aesthetic conscious that it's just like an extreme. But so I'm interested in chrono, what is it? Chronobiology. Chronobiology. So what exactly is that? So it's based in Chinese medicine.

and it's the idea that food has the most electromagnetic energy and is most bioavailable to the body when the sun is hitting it because then it's open to receiving information from the sun. So in the morning, the simplest way to explain it is in the morning when the sun is rising, it's hitting the trees. So eating tree ripened fruits and nuts that grow on trees. And then the sun rises. from 12 to 3, our digestive fire is at its peak and the sun is shining directly down.

So land grazing animals, greens, squash, beans, foods that grow above the ground that are harder to digest or break down, most appropriate to eat when our digestive fire is at its peak. And then in the evening we're preparing for rest around the fire. We eat things that grow underneath the ground or in the ocean that require to be. cooked on the flame. So sweet potatoes, beets, fruit vegetables, fish, seaweed, watercress, things like that. What benefits have you noticed, if any, from eating that way? I don't know if I noticed benefits from eating that way, but, well, I will say, like, I never eat, like, salad at night. That kind of thing would disrupt my system, eating raw foods or things

like that at night. So yeah, I just think it gives me a kind of natural flow to the day and it helps me make choices easier. I can be really indecisive. So knowing, okay, it's morning time. I'm going to have something like light and cleansing like fruit or nuts and then the daytime. It's like, okay, I could have a sandwich or a salad or, you know, it just kind of makes sense. Yeah, it's kind of like a good guide. And of course, like it's not strict. It's 80, 20 rule for everything. You can have fruit later in the day if you feel like you need fruit later in the day. There's no like hard lines there. But yeah. How often do you drink your broth? I go in phases. So I've been drinking it a lot lately. Last summer, I don't think I had it at all for three months. It was really hot and I wasn't in the

mood. If I get sick, I always drink our broth. I don't drink a lot of other broth. Yeah, ours is pretty much the only one that I'm like, okay, if I'm going to drink broth. I'm going to have this one. Is it a flavor thing? Yeah. I'm just not into the meaty. Yeah. I'd rather eat meat. Yeah. Then drink it. No, I hear you. I love, I use your broth for, I drink it, but I also love cooking with it. Yeah. It adds a nice flavor profile because of the herbs. Yeah. Yeah, no, it really does. And it's different. It's not, it's not like that a lot of broths. are like kind of gamey and like super savory and it's just it's it's it's nice sometimes for like a richness but um yeah it's really unique some people love that the rich gelatinous broth and they

don't like our broth and that's okay we have a there's room for everyone yeah there's room for everyone we're all doing it differently and you know we're all responding differently so it's good that there's all these options available that's that's a great thing yeah So what is next for owl? Focusing on the shop and really building out our local community. For the last three years, we've been really online and in the kitchen. And that's been fun and awesome. And I think we're really looking forward to starting to meet people in the flesh

and really build like a nice community in Venice and do events and workshops and bringing awesome people like you to, you know, share knowledge. I see owl growing into more of a media platform. I'm not opposed nor especially inspired to grow the wholesale business and get it into grocery stores across the country. That's never really been my highest excitement. I would rather focus on growing things locally and connecting with the customers. And I always love hearing stories about how the products help people.

I'm looking forward to connecting with people more in that way. And what about the skincare line? Yeah, the skin care line's out. And it's amazing. So is that something that you're going to be kind of bringing more to the forefront? Or is that going to be at the shop too? Yeah, we'll start doing more education around that. I think the skin care is hard because a lot of people don't know about oil cleansing yet.

And they think that it'll make their skin oily, which is not the case that actually draws impurities. but it leaves natural oils that are good for the skin, so it helps to balance the pH. We have three different products, and we're introducing a fourth, a rose spray, a toner as well. We have a sun potion, which is like an all-over sun-protectant, mild daily moisturizer, and then we have a moon wash, which is a gentle evening cleanser and a moon glow, which is a nightly serum. So, yeah, we'll start doing more promoting those products.

That's exciting. I'm excited to come to Abbott Kinney. Yeah, we're excited. We have a little goodie bag for you. Aw, you're so it's a weird week this week, but maybe for New York next week. So we'll figure out a time before I go. Usually I do listener questions, but Instagram is down. I haven't been down for me.

It's been down for me all day, too. I was trying to post that I was coming here. It's bad timing. I wonder if it's fixed now. I know my shop employee called me. She was like, isn't it so interesting that after the eclipse, the internet's down? Oh, my God, you're so cute. Mercury and retrograde, right?

Okay, so what advice would you give someone who might be kind of where you were circa 2010 or when this whole thing started? Who might be experiencing things and they want to adopt a. healthier lifestyle, but it just seems too overwhelming. My advice would be to keep it simple. I think people overcomplicate things like this and think it's hard. It's not really that hard. It's like, let's just bring it back to the basics rather than looking for products or

supplements or whatever it is, just focus on eating whole foods and listening to your body, seeing how it responds. And also share your story and tell people about it and don't be embarrassed. about having a quote unquote gut issue or whatever it is because you're going to find people on your path that are going to lead you to the right resources to help you on on that path. As long as you're on that healing path, the right teachers or healers or friends or supporters are going to show up for you along that path. And as long as you're open and listening, keeping it simple.

I love that. And I can attest to that because, like, for me, my bloating and my gut issues were, like, the most shameful thing for me. And I was like, I'm never going to post about this on Instagram or, like, no, like, I don't want anybody to know. And when I did, it, like, totally changed the trajectory of everything I was doing. And I met so many amazing people like you guys. And, yeah, like, once you get it out there in the open, then you're, like, on your way to healing, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming.

Thanks for having me. I love chatting with you. Where can everybody find you? Owl Venice on Instagram or owlvenous.com. And on Abbott-Kinney. And on Abbott-Kinney, 16 and the country. Yes, we'll have a sign on the door soon so you'll be able to find us. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right. As always, I really appreciate you tuning in.

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