Well with Arielle Lorre - 179: 179: Listening to Your Body & Not Everyone Else with Jennifer Fisher

Episode Date: June 22, 2022

In this episode, I sit down with jewelry designer & entrepreneur Jennifer Fisher, about finding what works for you. We chat about listening to your body; unrestrictive eating, healthy restaurant habits, and her anti-inflammatory diet tips. We also talk about listening to your intuition in business, the power of positivity, and why aging is actually amazing. She also spills her skincare situation and we chat about the freedom of plastic surgery. It's a fun, candid convo that covers it all! Stitchfix.com/blonde for 20% off your first purchase Helloned.com code BLONDE for 15% off Ritual.com/BLONDE for 10% off Framebridge.com code BLONDE for 15% off your first purchase Wren.co/BLONDE to plant 10 extra trees in your name   Produced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Hey, welcome to the Blonde Files podcast. I'm your host, Ariel Lorry, and I'm here to talk all things, wellness. From how to achieve optimal health and well-being to the best beauty tips and everything in between, no topic is off limits, and I'm bringing it to you real and unfiltered. I know there is so much information out there, so I'm here to help you navigate it all. Thanks for listening. Let's get into it. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the show. I have a really fun episode for you today. I'm talking to

Jennifer Fisher. I've been following her for years because I've been buying her jewelry for years. And then I started following her Jennifer Fisher Kitchen account as well on Instagram because she shares so many good recipes, which we actually talk a lot about in this episode. And she sent me some of her salts, which you'll also hear in this episode. I probably have to be a lot. I probably have every single day, maybe twice a day. So definitely go check those out if you haven't already tried them. And she just has such an interesting story. I love her attitude and her approach to her business and entrepreneurship and how she has built what she has built. So we definitely get into all of that in the episode. But we also talk a lot about kind of her health journey and how that

has lent itself to other areas of her business and areas of her business that she's expanding. So we talk a lot about listening to your body, unrestrictive eating, healthy restaurant habits. We talk about her anti-inflammatory diet and her personal tips. As always, and we reiterate this in the episode, this is just her sharing what she does that has worked for her with every guest. on here. I really encourage people to take what works for them and leave the rest. And Jennifer is really clear about like, hey, this is what works for me after years of doing something different. And maybe something else will work for you. So she and I are similar in that way in that, you know, I always say,

like, what works for me now is not what worked for me six months ago and not what worked for me a year ago. So it's really about like finding what works for you and doing that. We talk about listening to your intuition and business. We talk about the power of positivity. We talk about aging and why aging is actually amazing. She also spills her skincare. She has amazing skin. We talk about plastic surgery and just so much more. It's a really fun, candid conversation. She's very energetic, very unapologetic. And I adored her. So enjoy the episode. All right. Welcome, Jennifer. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

I'm so long. Likewise. I feel like I've been following you for such a long time. Obviously, I first came across you because of your jewelry, which I am obsessed with. But then you really changed my life with your salts. I love to talk about all of that.

It makes my day. I'm so excited. I mean, I use them like every day. I use them in the morning, put them on my eggs. I use them at night, put it on my fish or whatever I'm making. Like,

they're just so versatile. And they make everything so much better. I love you for saying them. Thank you. What's your favorite one? I love the universal and then I love the spicy. So I'll do like universal in the morning and then spicy. I'll do like universal in the morning. I made universal with no garlic or onions. You can use it in the morning. Yeah. And I do not. I mean, I went through a phase where I was doing low fod map and I'm sure we'll talk about all of this. So I couldn't do garlic and onion. But I also just don't love it. I don't want to smell like garlic and onion all day. I don't want to like. That's exactly why I did it. Because I was like, I don't want to go and have like dragon breath all that day long. And there was nothing out there. Everything was like a seasoning or a rub or I would say this or like a poopery. Yeah. Everything but the bagel seasoning kind of thing, which is good. But again, like garlic and onion. I eat that and I'm like I feel disgusting like it stays in your mouth the entire day. I can't. Something kind of fun, it's sort of like that though. So don't say that. Just kidding. Okay. Well, let's rewind all the way back. So you have a really interesting story about how

you started your brand. So why don't you tell everybody like about what you were doing before and then how it came to be? Okay. So I grew up in Santa Barbara, California in Montecito. My grandfather was a silversmith polo player there. So I didn't realize that jewelry was sort of ingrained in who I am until later in life. I went to USC. I studied business marketing. I thought I wanted to be a magazine publisher. That's what I was like, that's what I'm going to do. And when I was interning, I'd watch the clothing racks go by and I was like, you know what? I'm on the wrong side of this magazine. You know, I was a girl who was always into fashion, and I like literally plastered my walls when I was younger with Vogue magazine. So I always loved fashion. I always love clothing, but it wasn't until then that I really

realized that I wanted to work in some form of fashion. And so I went from there after graduating, I ended up becoming a wardrobe stylist, which was so random, but I worked 10 years in commercials and TV as a stylist, wardrobed stylist, and it was amazing. And during that time, I met Kevin, who I'm now married to, and I also got diagnosed with something called a desmoid tumor, which is a soft tissue sarcoma that's on my left chest wall. And they think it's scar tissue from my breast implants that actually they went through my armpit to put them in. So that's another thing we can talk about later. I went through there before it in Los Angeles and New York. And we got married right after I finished chemo. And when I wanted to have a child, my oncologist was like, no way, you need to get a surrogate.

And at the time, it was illegal in the state of New York to have a surrogate carry a child for you. It was legal in New Jersey, Vermont, Florida, and California. And Kevin actually grew up in Brentwood. So we figured since we were both from California, it made sense to have a surrogate in California. So we went through two rounds of surrogacy, both unsuccessful. First time, 12 weeks miscarriage, second time, 16 weeks. You know, we know it was a boy. We had named him Luke. So sad.

And so after that, we were kind of like, what are we going to do? And she quit. So we ended up just taking the summer off and having a really good time and partying and having the best summer. And I got pregnant. And that was my son Shane. And so when he totally healthy pregnancy, my tumor did not grow, because he's types of tumors normally grow from estrogen.

And when he was born, people were giving me gifts to represent him. And I was just like, these do not look like me. Like I don't wear like a little whatever. So I ended up, I was like, I want something kind of badass and big and heavy and chunky. And I want to spell out his whole name because it was important. You know, I went through three years of trying to have a child. It was a rough road. And I wanted to really, you know, make sure that I was wearing something to really signify

what I went through. So I literally being resourceful, being a suburb stylist, I went up to 47th Street and knocked on doors and was like, who will make this thing for me? And I finally found someone to make it for me. And it was a very simple dog tag that said Shane. And I wore it on a heavy gold link chain. And I'd wear it on set when I was a stylist. And literally, everybody would come up to me. It was this instant conversation piece because it wasn't something dinky. It was something that was sort of heavy and cool. And so I started making them for the guys on set for their wives, you know, for all the grips and the gaffers. And I made one for Uma Thurman because I was

friends with her hairstylist, Ryan, and she got it delivered the day she was shooting a glamour magazine cover, and she wore it on the cover of glamour. And so that was very helpful. And then we sort of just started making, you know, kind of more, you know, celebrity mom duels. And we started getting known for that, which was nice. But then we also just started kind of really building the business. And I was still styling. And at one point, my husband walked into the bedroom. We had lived in Soho at the time. And he was, I had orders all over the bed. And I had taken over the bedroom. It was like my office. And he was like, Jen, this is a business. You need to start a website. So I started selling direct-to-consumer,

customized well-fine jewelry back in the day, like when it wasn't really a thing. And we just started growing the company and building and building and making more and more shapes and offering more and more chains and evolving and changing. And you want me to keep going? Well, I mean, yeah, I want you to keep going,

but it's just interesting because I feel like every successful brand owner, founder that I have talked to, there's this common thread. and it's that they started their business or brand or whatever it is because of a personal need. It wasn't like they went out there with a business plan and they're like, I'm going to make this thing and like this is how I'm going to do it and this is the money that I'm going to make. Like it comes from a really authentic place. And I think that probably attracts so many more people, like especially because you're wearing it.

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You know, we have this business plan. We're going to go out and do it. I just don't see those as being successful all the time. You know, I think when you really work hard and, you know, it takes years. That's another thing too in this world of Instagram and everyone wants to be a whatever. And, you know, five days, you know, people expect to throw something up on Instagram that they make it a company. So, you know, I think it's just time weeds out that kind of stuff.

And, you know, people can smell the bullshit. And I think people, you know, if they, if you make quality products, you have good customer service and you continue to evolve as a brand, you will be successful. Yeah, because how old is your son now? So you started when he was born. 17. 17. It's so crazy. I was looking at college this student. It's so crazy that I have a seven children. My daughter drew is 15. So you're going to have to drop your skin care and all of that later. We need to know. I will share everything. with you. So what were some of the biggest obstacles that you had when you were starting your business and just along the way? Like things that were big challenges that you overcame that you learned

from? You know, I think you have to, you know, I talk about this a lot now. And I think that when you're younger and you start a company, you are, you know, you have a tendency to compare yourselves to other people. And you look around too much at what's going on out there, you know, in other places. I think the minute that I stopped looking around and I really just started focusing on my brand and who I am, not what anyone else was doing her or other people were building. their brands, you know, whether it was a, you know, a business model or anything, you know, I really believe that that changed who we are and who we are now and where our brand is. I think that when people are young, they, you know, you make mistakes and you have to be able to learn from those

mistakes. You know, every day, you're, you know, something happens that isn't, isn't positive. And you have to move on from that and you have to learn from it and you have to evolve from it. And I think the minute people, you know, don't realize that business is in order to grow, you have to have failures and you have to learn from those failures. the only way they're going to be successful is to be positive and to move forward and to learn something from that. Yeah, I don't know if this has been your experience at all, but like, if I look back on my life and obviously my career and path and all that is different from yours, but the failures and the obstacles and like the hardships, all of those things were the things

that I grew from the most and that really like steered my course, I guess. And it's like you don't really learn. You don't really grow from things just like being like just costing all the time. We're still so resistant to like any kind of obstacle or challenge. Yeah, no, I think that, you know, you have to kind of want those things. You know, we're about to open our Soho store. Oh my God, in like a week. And, you know, there's so many things that have gone wrong during it. And it's just, and you know, it's sort of helping us build our roadmap for when we do open another store in another city.

And it's just, it's one of those things where you have to kind of just go with it and expect it. Because the many you don't expect it, you think everything's going to be perfect. You're going to be disappointed. You can't. It's just not how business works. There's problems every day. Yeah. Just get used to it.

You just get used to it. You're like, okay, and you have to be able to pivot. I was having a conversation with one of my friends last night, who is a successful beauty person here in New York City, and she had some issues with something she was building. And I said to our speaking, you have to be able to be nimble and to pivot. Because the moment you can't is the moment

you're going to have some serious issues growing your business. I read in an interview somewhere, I think, that you said, you were talking about, like, dealing with people who didn't believe in you along the way. and you said like for every, for every person that your business or whatever you're doing, putting out there doesn't resonate with, there's 10 people that it does resonate with. And I think that's also so important for people to hear. And I was talking to my husband about this the other day.

And he was like, the best advice I ever got was like before he was even in TV, like back when he wanted to be a musician when he was like in his 20s. And they were dealing with some like record label manager. And the guy said, if 50% of the people, people love you and 50% of the people hate you, you're a star. That's so true. Yeah. I was just thinking about that because I think so many people now, especially with like social

media, we're so accessible. And you can, you know, take people's opinions and feedback and criticism and all of that all day about whatever it is you're doing, whether it's about your business, whether it's about your content, whether it's about what you're eating. I mean, I'm sure you get that all the time. All the time. school now though you know i find you know wherever you get these negative comments and people that aren't happy and i try to i teach this to my kids and my daughter because i've got a girl in high school and you know

i always say you know when people are mean they're sad or they're you know they're unhappy and there's something going on with them it's not about you like don't fly to yourself it's really not you know so like don't ever you know people always think oh you know it's about me it's not about you it's whatever they've got going on that they're unhappy about that they're just you know vocalizing and verbalizing to you in some way. So like don't take it personally. Yeah. You can't. And I just find that stuff, you know, I, you just wish them well and it is what it is. And you get used to it. You definitely get used to it, which is kind of sad, but also like, yeah, I mean, it's it's so true. If you think of yourself, if you're happy and

fulfilled and productive, whatever, you're not going around to people's accounts leaving like snide, shitty comments. So it's definitely about them. But I like that you reframed it. Like, don't flatter yourself. That's funny. Like it's so like, like, you know, like you're so, you know, They really care so much. They're just leaving a negative comment. They've got some shit going on in their life. They need to deal with. Don't think it's so great.

It's like, you know, not everybody wants a cappuccino also. So like getting used to it. You know what I mean? Like not everyone likes their coffee the same way. Not everyone's going to like you. Most people are not like you.

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I think it was also, you know, how my parents raised me. I was raised to take bumps in the road and to move forward and to not take things too personally. And, you know, and I always say if I have $5 for every time someone told me no, too, you know, I'd be like a millionaire. You know, like I said, it's the same thing. I always say like the ordering and copy thing, like not everyone's going to believe in you and like what you're doing

and that's okay. But go find it somewhere else. Like don't take the negative. feedback as something that is going to really evolve your business. Like, just take it, move on, go somewhere else and you're going to find someone else that likes you. Yeah. Or what you're doing. Yeah. I'm curious if you have like best and worst advice you ever got. Well, the best advice is for my mother and mom that I did that this has to do with children. Now she said, she always says if they're quiet, leave them alone. Because that's what you always

want to poke the bear. You know, it's new moms. A lot of the times they want to like, if their kid is quiet and playing, they want to be like, make sure they're overstimulating their kids in some way or doing something. And my mother-in-law, always said to me, she said, Jennifer, if they're quiet, leave them alone. So that was like the best advice that I think I've ever gotten. And the worst advice, I don't know, I don't really take advice is like, you know, you know what though? Actually, I did get some bad advice. When I, back in the day, when I was, how do I say this? I want to say this the right way. Back in the day when I felt that my business needed to be accepted by certain places, I listened to those certain places and people and took their advice as something that I should be doing

to evolve my business. But what I wasn't thinking and what the most power, like the powerful thing about it is, these people are not in my business. These people are not doing what I'm doing. So why the hell would I be listening to them and what they think is right or wrong for my company? So I did make that mistake once early on.

And it was the powers that be. And I thought that I had to do what they told me that I needed to do for my company because it was the world of fashion. They were wrong. Right. They were wrong. So that was bad advice.

I, you know, I probably would say, a few years in my company evolving if I actually listened to myself and not outside advice. At what point did you realize, I know that your husband was like, this is a business. At what point, though, did you realize that this was growing into something so big? Was it when you started? I know that you've like really organically gotten celebrity clientele. I mean, everybody wears your jewelry.

Is it when you, I don't know, when did that happen for you? Well, that we're there to be totally honest. You know, every day, you know, we do more things and we start growing. you know, we're not even there. You know, we still, you know, I, I see, I've been saying this a lot lately because I've been talking to more people about where we are in our business. And I really wanted to make a conscious effort and decision to be home for my kids when my kids were younger, you know, so I could have, you know, stepped on the gas with the company a little bit earlier. But I waited until my kids were older and my kids aren't, my kids don't need me like they used to. So like,

now it's time to really like evolve and build the business into something huge. Like so now we're ready, we're going through a couple things right now, which are really exciting. And now I feel like it's time. And it's funny, you know, because people are like, oh, you've been around for 17 years. Yeah, well, I wanted to raise my kids. And I wanted to show that I was home. And yes, in the beginning when they were younger, I was going to a lot more parties. And then when we really need to be home, I feel like, you know, from, you know, whatever age all.

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sign up and they will plant 10 extra trees in your name. That's W-R-E-N-C-O-S-B-L-O-N-D-E. And you can start making a difference today. So we talked about the salts and we'll get into kind of like the wellness portion of that more because that is such a big part of your life and your story. But you did also do a collaboration with CB2. And I'm just curious like how these things came to be. If it just kind of like I was wondering if those were, I love those.

She's pointing to the lamps behind her for everyone who can't see. They're amazing. Yeah, so how did that come to be? Like, how have you kind of grown into different things? So I'm a big believer in making sure that you, you know, trust your instincts and trust your guts. And we've done a couple, you know, collaborations through the years. Like I did a collaboration with Virgil Ablo back in the day and we made an earring with him. We're off white. And I did a collaboration with Russell Westbrook for Barneys when we were Barneys because Russell was like a family friend that we had met. I mean, just, you know, those kind of things made sense. I just know with I'llest-deva because those are my boys from the Vogue CFDA Fashion Fun,

you know, that kind of stuff. And we've been asked for a lot of different collabs that we've said no to. But I like doing them with people that I like and then are friendly and that I get along with. And I was, they came to us. I was introduced to Ryan, who runs CB2 and we hit it off. We started talking about like basketball. And I mean, we just, it was one of those things where we had the best lunch at ABC. It was like hours and we're like, let's do this.

And that was kind of it. And I made, I designed like over 300 pieces. but we ended up making like 108 pieces in the end of home. And it was so fun. It was literally like the working outside of fashion in the interior space and people, they are from Chicago. They were the most amazing, lovely people to deal with. It was just one of those things.

And the funny thing is, is we launched it. We were started to do our press tour for it. In the end of February, and we were in Dallas and like people were starting to not, like right before COVID, people were starting to kind of not shake hands and carry on. Oh, God. And then we got to L.A. to do it. And then it was like, oh, God. what do we do?

Like, this is people don't want to go out. So we flew back to New York and it launched. And who knew that it was like the worst timing, but the best timing in the world? Because literally everyone was, as you know, locked at home and wanted to do their homes. So it exploded. Yeah, it's kind of crazy what happened there.

But I do think, you know, everything was pretty neutral, like, you know, gray's and whites and things that you can mix into your home. And it was like the most, the most affordable best price point too. So why would people not shop online and buy it? Yeah. And it was so successful in the beginning of COVID that we went on to do during COVID, a Christmas holiday collab, which was crazy, like on set, everyone a mess too. And then we did, given the success of cooking on Instagram during COVID, we did a kitchen one for like a,

it was always just do one. But we just, we love them so much. We kept, we love working together and it just kept working. So we just went for it and kept going. It was fun. Okay. So let's, talk about the cooking and the salts and the wellness portion. So you said that you had, I can't remember the name of the tumor. I'm getting my boobs done July 1st. So I'm a little nervous. Where are they going through? Underneath. Okay. They went through. So when I had to have mine redone, one of my first, I was like carrying this tray of turkey on Thanksgiving. This is a great story. I was carrying a turkey around it like helped serve on Thanksgiving. When I was at my office the next day and like one was gone. I had to like rush and have them redone. So they went around my nipple to do mine,

which I think you're better off going underneath because it messed up my nipples. Okay, I'm getting scared. I'll never see it. As I'll put a little bit underneath there. You're good. Wait, wait, but rewind. How did it pop from carrying a tray? I think they were just old. I'd gotten them in 1987 when I was like dating Matt LeBlanc like back in the day of life. Oh my God. You know, I would have never gotten them now. But back that and yes, so they were old. It was time. You know, and I'm going to replace them. I'm going to replace them. And then you just don't get around to doing it. And then you, you know, that happens.

And then you have to. Do you still have them now? Different ones? Okay. I did. Different ones. Okay. Because I was thinking about during fat, I was like, I don't know if I want to go

the implant route just because I've heard like horror stories like that and breast implant illness. And I tend to be like a very sensitive person physically. So I'm like, I don't know. But I had fat transfer in my face last year. And I loved the results. But it was such like a roller coaster and my weight kind of fluctuates not a lot. But it was like, and you don't return.

all of it. So I just felt like with my boobs, I'm like, I just want a consistent result. Yeah. I, you know, the fat thing I understand I wanting to do it to be more natural and to not have something in your body. I just don't, I don't know enough about it. And I don't think that it even really existed when I like started doing all of this as an option. Yeah. I've had no problems that I know of to date from my implants. Someone actually asked me about about that on Instagram yesterday when I did an AMA if they think that I have any health issues for my implants. I don't think so. I have Hashimoto's also. So I have, you know, I think any, What's funny is I think that any, you know,

it's a hair loss or whatever those things. I have those things kind of going on anyway, so it's really hard for me to tell if it's anything to do with my implants. Whenever I've done anything on Instagram, if I'm going through something health-wise and I talk about it, people are like, it's breast implant. And I'm like, I don't even have them. Like people are just so quick to like jump on whatever is like trending at the moment.

I know. I know that seems to be trending a lot right now too because I'm getting that a lot. People are talking about it. Yeah. I don't know. I feel fine for mine. I have no. And I love them.

I don't love the result for my seconds. Actually, I had to have them redone because he made them too big when he replaced them. Here in New York that loves to do that. So I complained and we made them smaller. But then he starred me. So, anyways. Okay.

Well, so how did that, so that affected, how did the tumor affect your health? And is that related to the Hashimoto's or completely different? The tumor has something to do with my Hashimoto's. The tumor is something that I, it's like one in 100,000 is one of these types of tumors. It is not cancer unless it metastasizes. The first doctor thought it was breast cancer and cut into it,

which he should never have because you couldn't get anything out of it with a needle biopsy. So we did a biopsy, which he shouldn't have done. But I was very lucky and it didn't metastasize. But what's also interesting is, you know, these types, so women get these types of tumors in their uterus, sometimes after giving birth, because it's like a keloid star in the inside of your body that turns into a tumor.

So mine is just, you know, when I found mine, first. That's another thing. Girls, if you find anything kind of strange going on with your body, like question your doctor because I went to my doctor. My OB had put me on a much higher estrogen pill and the tumor grew really rapidly. So I was working out a lot of the time, exercising heavily. And the doctor, I was wear racer back tops. And the doctor said to me, oh, I went to my implant doctor and he said, you're fine, just wear looser tops. It's just a little irritation. But that was the tumor. So he missed it. Oh, that's another thing. Like listen to your body. And, you know, if you think something is kind of going on, question it and ask somebody

out. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I always say, a lot of people say this. Like, you know your body best. And I feel like you, you, we, whatever, like we know when something is off. And it's super important to follow through on that. So how did your kind of wellness journey, like your approach to wellness change? Because I know in the last few years, you started approaching it differently. And you were working with Dr. Cole, right? Right. Right. I wasn't working with him originally. I, when I, he opened, during COVID, we opened our Beverly Hills store. We literally built it without even really seeing it.

And so towards the end of COVID, I started flying to L.A. And at that time, you had to quarantine for 10 days. And I, one of my followers said, you know, you kind of eat this way, but you eat dairy, you should check out this guy, Dr. Will Cole. He has this book called Ketotarian. So I literally just bought it on Amazon and threw it on my bag, in my bag for the airplane. And I started reading it. And it was one of those things that, I don't know if it was tight.

I don't know if it's my age. I don't know what it is, but I literally was like, why have I not been doing this my entire life? It was something that resonated with me so deeply. And it was so simple because I was already doing a lot of the things. I was already gluten-free. And I was sort of dairy-free on and off, and I didn't eat a ton of meat. But to drop the legumes and the night shades and to change, you know, to watch, you know, he doesn't really talk about gums a lot, but the inflammatory oils, but then also the gums that you should cut out. Like, there's gums in everything. You don't realize you're eating just inflammation all day long and not having oats and staying away from sparkling water.

Like these are all kind of things that I've sort of learned along the way that aren't all in his book that I've modified this for me because I've seen the results that work for my body. Wait a second. Rewind. Sparkling water. The other ones I can get down with. Sparkling water.

I don't know if I can give up. Why? What does it do? That's temporary. Oh. Just cut it for a few days and watch your belly. I'm telling you. I am like, I'll drink flat water until noon.

I'm very like weird with my routine. So like till noon, I'll drink a ton of flat water. And then afternoon, I'm like full blown, sparkling, pounding it all day long. Try it. Try to not do it for three days and see what happens. I was one of those two. I was like, I like obsessed with like every, every like lemon flavor, orange flavor, rich flavor, peach flavor. Like it was my thing.

And I stopped drinking it and it changed me. It did. It's one of those weird things. I just drink more water. I just put lemon and cucumber my water. I'm going to try that. let you know how that goes. I find that when we go to dinner, they're like sparkling or still. I'm like, still. I feel like that's like one of my joys in life. Coffee is one of the joys in life.

Like that's one of the things. Like I can't, I can't booze. I cannot give up alcohol. Like, you know, this is the thing, guys. And everyone's always like, you're so regimented, but you drink. Why I don't understand. I said, because I, I, this is my modification that works for me. Yeah. I like alcohol. I like coffee. I need to, in order for me to eat this clean, I have to live my life. Like I can't get everything out. Like so and it works. It works. But you have to like,

we're all different. We all have different things technically going on in our body. So like what works for me isn't going to work for you. I say that all the time and I'm not a nutritionist. And I don't know what I'm talking about. But I do know that I've been doing this a really long time and nothing worked until I changed these things for myself. And I saw a huge difference.

Yeah. And I think that's so important. But what works for you is not going to work for the next person. And you say that all the time. And I love that about you. And you're so like, direct. You're just like, this is what I'm doing, guys, like take it or leave it kind of thing. And that's the, this like, this like fucked up diet culture, everyone's like, well, how do you know

how many calories you're eating with that meal? I'm like, yeah, it's not about that. If you're eating the right foods and you're not eating shit out of packages, it's still preservatives and gums and junk and dairy. Like, if you're eating whole foods, you shouldn't have to like count. I just, I eat till I'm full. Right. And I eat so body and I eat as much color as I can. That's a good tip. Okay. So yeah, you are so. busy. How do you kind of maintain this lifestyle, this approach without getting super rigid about it? Or are you rigid about it sometimes? Like, how do you fit it into your life? You know, I'm so busy every day that so I, this is another thing. So I've been intermittent fasting. I'm not strict about it.

Like I'll stop meeting my dates at like 10 o'clock at night or whatever it is or my chocolate or whatever I'm having. And I like, I don't count. But in the mornings I've found and I always thought with my thyroid disease that I had to be eating breakfast, which is one of the reasons that I started making my salt and the universal salt without the garlic or onion. When I stopped eating breakfast and I started eating after 12 o'clock, my energy levels for the morning and throughout the day, you don't, it's crazy. I don't feel like I crash ever from energy. I feel more energized.

My brain fog is clearer, which is for me at my age too, because I'm old. It's like, it's really helpful. Your mental clarity throughout the day, if you're not consuming so much and you're letting your body rest a little bit, it's a game changer. And you said you still drink coffee, right? Fuck yeah, I drink coffee. How much caffeine do you have a day? I have, so I'll have, upon waking, I have coffee because I'm one of those ones like I can't but I'm with macho. Like I just can't. I'm sorry. I love a macho too. I love a matcha. But I'm, I'm a

two cup of coffee like within like I'll pound like one at like six something and then I'll have another run around seven or eight. And yes, I do put, I put almond milk in my coffee. I'm not, you know, I'm not worried about it breaking my fast. I'm just not one of the, those people like it and it works like I have a little bit of I have a little bit of almond milk in my coffee and it works I mean I think it works I don't know I'm not touching my my my you know my ketones or any of that kind of stuff well I think that that's how you make whatever lifestyle you choose sustainable right is like by not because if you're so rigid that there's like zero enjoyment and you're like having to stick to these things you're going to last however long

and then you're going to like rebound and go the complete opposite direction at least that's what I So I think it really is about like tailoring it to you and doing whatever it works for you and feels good for you. That's like the most important thing. Yeah, but what people need to also realize is if you're choosing the right products, it doesn't feel any different than how you're eating before. So this is a great example. Last night, I made tacos. It was Taco Night and it's my husband's favorite night of the week because he's this, he has this far memory of hard tacos from when he was a kid.

And so, but the products that I use, I mean, the tacos are freaking, they're amazing. Like you never know that you're eating something that's great. free, you know, gluten free, you know, everything is, you know, everything's soy free. Like, it's, we've, I figured out how to shop properly to keep the right things in my house. So I never feel restricted. Like if I want nachos, I make nachos. Yeah. You know, if I need something when I get home at night from drinking, I eat it. Because I have the right. I think you have to arm yourself and prepare yourself with the right

things to have in your house. So when you go to reach for something, it's the right thing. Totally. And that's why your recipes are so amazing. So if everyone, And if nobody's, oh my, sorry, this is my half asleep. If people aren't following Jennifer Fisher Kitchen yet, they should be because your recipes are so versatile and they're not like, they're not restrictive and they're not, they really are like amazing whole food sourced recipes for like the same things that you love to eat. But it's, I love that your husband eats it too because my husband, even if it tastes the exact

same, like, no, if he knows that if I just don't tell him anymore, I'll give him like gluten free dairy fruit, whatever, vegan, he'll be like, this is amazing. There was actually one time I gave him, I can't remember what kind of ice cream, something dairy free, all of that. And he was like, this is amazing. And I was like, yeah, it's vegan and sugar free. And he was like, yeah, I thought it tasted a little funny. And I'm like, dude, no, you did not. People are just like, it's some people just don't want to do it. And they just, they feel such a funny thing. And I get that too a lot from people on Instagram and people are just sort of like, I don't, I can't, my spouse won't do it. So it's really hard for me to do it. Well, so now, actually, that was a huge win last night that I talked about also. Like, I made cauliflower rice instead of regular like taco night rice that I normally make. And I made it cauliflower style. My whole family, I was like, this is such a huge win for me. Like, everyone's having cauliflower rice tonight. And there's no grain in our entire meal tonight. How do you do it? How do you do it? Like, again, you're traveling a lot. You're going out a lot. How do you fit that in? No, I like to eat out. I think I want to go out tonight too because I don't want to cook out. that I hope I'll be feeling better later.

I do a lot of raw bar when I go out because I feel like that's the safest. I order a lot of shrimp cocktail. I order a lot of oysters. Most of the time when I go out, it's either a giant salad that I make sure that I ask the server for olive oil and vinegar on the side. Because nine times out of 10, no matter what restaurant you go to, the dressing is made with some form of a canola oil olive oil blend. And no way of that. You think it's like the most yummy shallot vinaigrette. Well, they're cutting it with canola oil or safflower oil.

and olive oil because it's cost effective. So what I suggest is just making your own dressing. If you get a salad, I get Dijon, I get olive oil and vinegar and lemon, and I sort of make my own concoction, and that's my dressing. And I order, I'll order a piece of fish. I ask them to pan saute it a lot of the times because they, on the grills, it's normally cross-intamination with a lot of canola oil too because a high heat cooking. Interesting.

Yeah, you kind of just have to ask questions and be nice and just say, you know, what are my options here if, you know, for the chef? because it's hard. You know, the restaurant industry too is also hard and you don't want to like be, you know, a jerk at restaurants,

but you kind of also have to watch your back. Yeah. So that's why, you know, eating things that are not cooked and, you know, like I'll do a salad with avocado and, you know, a show cocktail if you can do it.

Like a lot of the time to just kind of figure out how to maneuver the menu and to order vegetable sides with a protein. It's easy. You just have to do it. The problem is people drink

and they want fries and they want a salad and fries. You know, I go out my girlfriends all the time and they're like, oh, we're going to be healthy. We're going to have a bottle of azay and like fries. So we did this thing.

This is actually really good advice. So we were out at Odeon and I was like, I'm going to order a hand salad because you guys are out eating your fries with your hands. So let's order a hand salad instead. So we bought like a mixed cream salad and you eat it in your hands. And all of them were like, this is the same feeling. It's just so I was like, you take it out of their hands. And everyone was like, we kept ordering them because everyone liked it so much. Hand salad.

People are probably walking by your table. Like, what is happening? I know, we're like animals. That's so funny. Yeah. That's like a psychological trick. It is. But it's sort of that weird same thing.

Like you want to have a little something you take out of a sip. I mean, it's messier, obviously, but it works. A hand salad. I love it. What else was I going to ask you? Okay. So I'm just curious, like, how you were feeling before compared to how you feel now. And what's like your, what's your exercise routine and all of that?

I mean, it's night and day compared to how I felt before because I, you know, I look at photos of myself too and I don't, my weight is not that different, but I was so inflamed. Like I look at photos and I was just swollen. Everything was so that's really what you lose by eating this way. It's not really, it's not a weight loss thing. It's really just an anti-inflammation program, which is great as you age. So my workouts are, have changed a lot too. So during COVID, I used to be like a massive soul cycle girl. I was like front row and center at Loyal Cole's Soul Circle class and Tribeca like every day and you're front. Actually, that's how I met a lot of my good girlfriends was from there.

But then those things kind of changed. And I started doing Pilates a little bit before COVID. And then COVID hit. And I had my, I have a Peloton tread and I have a Peloton bike. And I did a lot of Peloton bike, you know, Allie Love and Emma Love well during COVID. And then I, when COVID sort of came to an end, it was almost like I was so sick of working so hard. And then when I sort of changed my program of eating, I was working. I realized I didn't have to really work so hard. I realized, first of all, I think I hate working out.

I think I fucking hate exercise. I was like, this is why I think that. And then second of all, I met Amy Nolmes, who is flat iron Pilates and she changed my life. It's private one-on-one Pilates that we do. And it's sort of like she's taught me how to work out smarter, not harder. And I work out three times to meet with her. And we do it via, we do it via FaceTime. I don't even go to her studio. I don't even work out on a reformer. Really? Yeah, we use my body. Pilates? Amazing. She's modified it for me. I mean, she keeps saying, like,

come in command. I'm like, no, I'm too lazy. I need to get her name from you. I want to go when I'm in New York if she's taking you people. Absolutely amazing. She's not, but I'll get you in. I'll ask her. She's absolutely, like, incredible. She's major, like, two-meter. What are your wellness non-negotiables? Or, like, what are the pillars of wellness for you?

well, mental health is really important. You know, I think the power of positive thinking is really, really important. Because if you don't have that, you can't do any of those other things. You know, I think people that go through their day is just, you know, negative and, and kind of not wanting to try new things and not being nimble, like I said. So that kind of thing, I think is that's the most important thing. I think if you need to make sure that you're okay and that you, you know, you want to do these things for yourself. You know, I always before, I found. excuses to not do certain things, you know, with, you know, when I was younger, you know, in terms

of like, you know, the way I was eating. Because, you know, with Hashimoto's, you know, you really have to be gluten free. And I was always that one that was like, that's order of pizza at 10 o'clock at night, you know, I'll be fine. Just one day. So it's just one of those things that you have to kind of just make sure that you're kind of balanced and you kind of know who you are and know what makes you happy. And, you know, I think everything kind of falls into place after that. There's something about being my age. I'm 51. So there's something about turning 50. that was a huge mental shift for me of just making sure that like, you know, you really don't give a shit as much anymore.

It's this weird kind of thing where you feel this level of sort of like, I am who I am, take it or leave it, but I'm going to be happy and positive. And I'm going to do all these things for me. And you guys can judge or say whatever you want. But at the end of the day, nine times out of the 10, you're going to probably text me or DM me asking for that information in a month after you talk shit about me. Mike drop. I love it.

I'm curious if you, you seem like you are, like you feel amazing. Do you feel better now than you did like in your 30s, 40s, whatever? Because I find I'm in my 30s. I know I'm still young, but it's hard because, you know, things start changing. And you're like, oh shit, this is like actually happening. Like this train is moving. Like it's not like in your 20s, early 30s, I feel like it's just never going to happen to you.

And it's a privilege and all of that. But everyone who's older than me and even my husband who everyone knows quite, quite a lot older than me. They say they feel better, the older they get. And I think it's so hard to have that perspective when you're younger, but it's very encouraging also to hear. I think it's really true. You know, 30s, 30s were hard. 40s were okay. 30s were hard because 30s is sort of this weird time where, you know, a lot of people are sort of you're maybe getting married or maybe having kids in that time of your life. And it's, it's a fast-paced, you know, decade of like, you know, whatever you're doing in those 30s. That's like that year of like, you know, your stable job or whatever you're doing.

You figure out what you want to do with your life. You figure out maybe a life partner. And if you want to, you know, start a family and those kind of thing. So that's 30s, I feel like for a lot of people. And into 40s, too. Obviously sometimes. Yeah, it's like a lot of pressure. And I think it's, it's, it races by so quickly. And I think it's like less time to really kind of look inward to like take care of yourself. And I think 40s is similar to because 40s, you see the success of all of those things that you've done in your 30s if you've done them, you know, happily and you're happy with what you've, what you've achieved. But then it's sort of this weird like, okay, you're balancing everything every day. It's like this weird balance. And then 50s is like, 50s is like, I am. It's so fun.

It's the best. 50 is like honestly, it's, it's, I mean, it's literally the new 30 and it's so fucking great. I was going to say it's definitely the new 30. I mean, people like life expectancy is so much longer. Quality of life, so much better. So many technologies to keep you looking amazing, whatever you want to do. So that's the last thing I want to ask you. Yeah. Got to drop your beauty routine. What's this, what's going on, skincare, all of that? So skincare for me, my skin texture changed a lot. So do you know Kylie Kabako from Knockout Beauty? No. Oh, she's amazing. So Kylie Kabach has this amazing skincare company called Knockout Beauty. She's got one in Brentwood. She in New York, and then she's got one in the Hamptons that she opened the summer and she's got one in Locust Bell.

She, we became friends. We met in the Hamptons a few years ago through a mutual friend and we became friends. And she deals with a lot of people that have malasma and issues like that. I don't have that. But she put me on this regimen of skin care that completely changed my face with brands that you wouldn't normally know. Like Environ, MBR. Like, I don't know. You know, some people don't know what those are.

But, you know, the regimen that she's put me on is completely changed the texture on my skin. Wait, and go come forward again. Bananas. Like, it is crazy. I mean, I see other things too. I love injectables. I love surgery. I love everything.

Like, I've done everything. When I talk about it, like, I don't give shit. But like, you know, you have to do what you want to do to look the way you want for yourself. We've got one shot here in this body and this face and whatever it is and people can judge or have a hard time with it. I don't care. I'm here. I'm here only for a limited time and not much longer.

So I'm going to make sure that I make the most of what I have on this, this whole situation. I, you were like my spirit animal, kindred spirits. That's the same way that I am. And I like tell everybody whatever I get done like surgeries and all of that. And I definitely get judged for it. But I feel the same way. Like I'm doing it for me.

Like I want to, I want to look the way I feel on the inside. Like I want my outsides to match my insides. I feel really good. And when I got sober at 28, I looked like I was a haggard. I always say like 45, but nothing. I mean, that's just like putting a number on it, but I had been living so hard for a decade,

like drugs, alcohol, no sleep, pack of a cigarette, like sunbaking, whatever. And I looked like terrible. And so there was a lot of like, you know, maintenance after that. And I just remember looking in the mirror and I was like, that's not, doesn't represent who I, who I am, like how I feel on the inside. Yeah. So do what you need to do to feel who, you know, who you are. Like, it's sort of like, what's the big deal?

Yeah. I feel people just want to feel morally superior to other people. That's like the thing. I think it's that. I think it's also just a lot of like people that are just like not wanting or too scared to actually do some of those things too. I mean it, you know, so they judge you for it. You know, it's just, it's, everyone's got something to say.

So who cares? Okay. Well, I know that you're expanding more. So we talked about the jewelry. we talked about the salts. We talked about the CB2 and the other collaborations. But what do you have coming up if you can stay? Or like,

where do you see the brand going in the coming years? Well, we launched. Another thing we just recently launched was my scent. Yeah, the perfume. Yeah, that was really exciting. We worked on that during COVID, you know, because I was one of the, I always would get in an elevator and everyone always swam up,

say, like, who smells like the cookie? Like it's me. You know, so I always think this blend of like coconut and vanilla together to kind of smell like, you know, a musky vanilla cookie with some, you know, sunscreen beach. So I, and I wanted it to be, oh, I haven't here, I wanted it to be portable. So it's a little roll on. It's in this really chic little black roller that can just go run in your purse because we're on the go. And I don't want to carry a spray around. Like, it's like, no. So I like you to travel with too.

More evolved than like, you know, a perfume that you spray that you can just take along with you. So it's sold out in two hours. So that was exciting. So we've got another batch of it coming. It's launching on Neta Porte soon. And then we've got. our batch coming in in July. We've got 3,000 people on the wait list. So sign up for it now if you guys want it. And then so we also, we open our Soho store on the 23rd. I'll see you at the party on the 22nd. And then we are launching a soft home collab with a company called Kazatex. So if you, if this comes out before, don't buy sheets or towels until. I just bought sheets two days ago. Oh. Oh. They're so soft. They're so soft and yummy. And it's, you know, it's a lot of grays and whites.

and it's, I made this sick market toot, too. So I'm really excited about that. Amazing. It's black. So yeah, so that's going to be a fun thing that's happening. And then we are looking to open, we're expanding our wholesale into a large department store. It looks like that's happening soon. So that'll be good.

So we'll be in a lot, we'll be in 10 more cities, it looks like, eight to 10 more cities. And then we're also going to start working on more retail locations. So our next is probably Miami is what we keep saying. And then after that, Houston, Dallas. Incredible. well, I always ask my guests, one thing we should stop doing and one thing we should start doing to close it out. All right.

We should stop looking around at other people and we should start drinking more water. Cheers, not sparkling. Right. Cheers. Yeah, no. Stop with the sparkling girl. I'm going to email you in three days. And if I'm not green as fuck, you're like, oh my God, you are so full.

fucking right. Love it. Where can everybody find you? Everyone can find me at www.orgonifer fisher.com is our website that has all of my jewelry and all of my recipes on there for free that you guys can go and access and also buy my salts. And then on

Instagram, I am at Jennifer Fisher jewelry and at Jennifer Fisher Kitchen. Amazing. It was so fun talking to you and meeting you and I can't wait to meet you. IRL. I can't wait. Yeah, so excited. It's so fun. Thanks for having me. Of course.

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