Well with Arielle Lorre - 360: The Best Beauty Tips & Myth Busting Skincare Trends with Dr. Shereene Idriss

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

Shereene Idriss, M.D. is a board-certified dermatologist and an expert in facial rejuvenation and founder of the eponymous skincare line, Dr. Idriss. She has published several research papers including award-winning publications on the evolution of dermatology in the digital age, which have set the foundation of her #PillowtalkDerm series on YouTube and Instagram. She joins the show to discuss why we should stop chasing perfection, why natural is always best, and the effect social media has on our perception of ourselves. We also talk beauty and skincare myths that drive her nuts, unsexy products that actually work, the various aging peaks we have throughout our lives, trends she cannot get on board with, what lasers to use when, how to treat aging and crepey skin and so much more.Go to helixsleep.com/BLONDE for 25% off sitewide & 2 free dream pillows with any mattress purchase. Free bedding bundle with any luxe or elite mattress order.Go to ritual.com/BLONDE for 25% off your first month. Go to boncharge.com/BLONDE and use code ARIELLE for 20% off. Visit prolonlife.com/BLONDE for 15% off their 5-day nutrition program. Find gifts guaranteed to bring joy to every hard-to-shop-for person this season at saks.comGet 15% of ALL Lume products with code BLONDE at LumeDeoderant.comProduced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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live your best life and look good doing it. Think of well as your go-to resource for all of the latest in wellness and me as your internet bestie. Well, let's get into it. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the show. Welcome to one of my favorite episodes ever because I am talking to my queen, Dr. Shereen Idris, I'm sure. She needs no introduction among most of you, but she is a board certified dermatologist. She's an expert in facial rejuvenation as well as minimally invasive body contouring. And she is the founder of her skincare line, Dr. Edress. She is currently a clinical instructor in dermatology at Mount Sinai. And before that, She was a clinical assistant professor of dermatology at NYU.

She's a fellow of the American Academy of Dermatology, the American Society for Dermatologic surgery, the Dermatologic Society of Greater New York, and the women's Dermatologic Society. She's published several research papers, including award-winning publications on the evolution of dermatology in the digital age, which have set the foundation of her Pillow Talk Durham series on YouTube and Instagram, where she is wildly popular. She is my favorite derm on social media. I will say she has such a no BS approach and delivery to beauty and skincare and dermatology. And she just tells it like it is. We had so much fun recording this episode and listening back to it. I just remember thinking it was one of my favorite episodes of ever recorded.

So we are talking about so much today, including how to age naturally, how to do enhancements, also age naturally. We talk about how social media and our environments have shaped our perception. We talk chasing perfection. We talk a lot about myth-busting beauty and skincare trends that drive her nuts. We talk unsexy products that actually work. We talk about what lasers to do for what concerns, which is great as we are in laser season right now. We talk about things like creepy skin and what to do for that, whether we should be getting salmon sperm facials, skincare basis. and so much more. You guys are going to love this episode and love Dr. Idris. So please enjoy. Welcome.

Thank you for having me. I am so excited to talk to you. You've been on my list of like my most wanted guests for so long. I'm honored. And it's been so cool to watch your journey, for lack of a better word, even over the last few years. I mean, you've absolutely like blown up and you have your product and it's just amazing. I love seeing that happen to people that I really admire. So congratulations. Thank you. Thank you so much. It's very sweet of you. So for the listeners, we're falling apart right now. The wheels are falling off. So you're going to get. We have snot coming out of our noses. We both have

headaches. We just want to like put that out there before we start. You're going to be getting kind of an unhinged episode, I'm sure. But I can't wait to talk to you about all the things. So there's so much that I want to talk to you about, but I think the best place to start is like what is your beauty philosophy and what is your aging philosophy? Just jump right in. Yeah. Honestly, it's going to sound cliche. But when it comes to beauty and aging, it's really all about being the best that you can be

at the stage of life that you're at. And I think when you're fighting the aging process and really trying to turn back time and really trying to fight gravity and fight what's happening, we can all end up looking distorted and all end up looking how we do not want to end up looking. And so for me, it really truly is, and I say this a lot, and I feel like it sounds cliche, but I guess it doesn't sound cliche to them, but subtle is dramatic and subtle can be dramatic. And it's about finding that perfect subtlety for your face while still allowing for certain things that are not perfect to be present. So you can just age into your face and age in a way that is seamless, if that makes sense.

So that's truly how I think of like the beauty and the aging process. And it's not about trying to get lips that don't fit your face or get a jawline or get cheeks or get, it's about really embracing who you are and your best assets and really focusing on those things. I feel like there are definitely different aesthetics in like New York versus LA and even Miami and other major cities and different countries. But I did notice that. When I, we were just talking about how I had to stop getting Botox, my listeners are like, we know.

I've been talking about it nonstop. But I went to see my friend, Dr. Ben Talley. I don't know if you know him. I don't know. I've heard of him, but I don't know. And I was like, I don't know. I'm just like, I have these lines and I don't know what to do. And he said, you actually look younger because it's when people try to completely freeze their face.

They look crazy. They look uncanny and they look older because younger people have expression. They have lines. Their skin just bounces back. They're dynamic lines. They're not static. So like a telltale sign of aging is like completely freezing your face. It's kind of counterintuitive. But that is so many people's approach. Although I feel like the pendulum is swinging a little bit. I don't know if you've noticed that. Oh no, I have noticed it. And I think it has to do with social and I think it has to do with people going balls to walls like crazy. But back too quickly about location. I used to always joke. maybe it should be Miami versus New York versus L.A.

But New York is like Armani and L.A. and Miami are Versace. Yeah. And it's like two completely separate worlds that people are living in. And I remember I was in L.A. in 2017 before I had my daughter. And I show up and I was like, oh, my God, these people's lips are insane. But by day seven, I looked at my husband. I was like, do you think I should inject my lips? She was like, are you insane? We've got to leave.

So you can see how your perception of reality. shifts depending on your own environment. And that's the very scary thing. But absolutely, it's the imperfections that make something look good. And when you chase every line, and I think there's a subset of people who think they have to get every line as it forms. And there's a little bit of an OCD tendency in those personalities that they think they'll look really good as they age. But if you chase every single line as it forms, to Dr. Talley's point, you're going to look weird. And so it's about having some movement, having some things that are off, some imperfections so that you can maintain your own charm and your own natural ethos, right? But the pendulum I do think is swinging, and I think

it's because people took it too far. And I think LA is one place where people took it too far, and they started at a very young age. And there's this whole, you know, discussion of filler migration. And I'm like, is it filler migration or is it filler diffusion? And is it because you're starting at such a young age where you're not actively aging as fast? And people are just getting it, paint by number fillers injected in their face, that they're not thinking of the person's face and how that face is aging over time, that that filler is just sitting and sticking. And over time, they start looking swollen and global and cushion going in a sense, and it looks off. And so I think people started seeing it more and more. And because of social and having a track

record of how your face is evolving, it became much more evident. And so now the pendulum is swinging. But it can't swing in the opposite direction either to like nothingness. And people are going to roll their eyes and say, of course, she's going to say that. She's a cosmetic dermatologist. But I really do focus on the mental well-being of the patient. And as you age and you face the aging process, my grandmother who passed away this year said it best. It's like, do you want to wear an iron shirt or do you want to wear a wrinkled shirt every day? And how do you feel in each?

And if you feel better in a certain shirt, you probably feel better with your face being a certain way. but it should be approached in a very moderate way and like a body positive way and not in either end of the extreme. Yeah, I agree with so much that you said there and I love what your grandmother said as well. That's such a great analogy. And also what you were saying about like social media, I remember when Instagram stories came out, that was the first time I had seen my face in action. I was like before I was on video on the podcast and I was like, interesting. And I got a brow lift, like not long after that came out because I had really low brows, hooded eyelids, which I always liked until it got to a certain point.

I was like 35, maybe at the time, 34. And I was like, I look so tired. Like, why do I look tired and sad all the time? But had I not had that reflection of myself, I maybe would not have noticed it when I did. So, like, all of these things are really influencing our perceptions of ourselves. I know that you've talked about aging peaks. So when do we have these aging peaks throughout our lives? Yeah.

So I've always said this to patients and I feel like I got like, what's that word I'm looking for? This year I feel like I got validated, you know? But if dermatologists are good for anything, it's observing trends, right? Like we see patterns, we see trends. And when you see like over 100 cosmetic patients a week, every single week for the past like almost decade, right? you start to realize things faster.

And I've noticed anecdotally in my practice four peaks of aging. All right. And I'll tell you how I got validated this year. But the first peak, I think, happens in your late 20s, early 30s, where there is a shift over the course of six months and your face doesn't quite look like it used to look. And you start to notice like a slight flattening on the lateral edges of your face. And you start feeling like you're dropping. a tiny bit. And then you notice a second peak in your late 30s to early 40s where over the course

of a month, you're like, what the hell happened? Why don't have jowls? Why is my neck doing this soft thing that it never used to do? And I've heard women and men come in, more so women, coming to my practice, really terrified by that one month period. Then there's a third peak, which happens in your mid-40s, 44, 45, where they come in and they say overnight, I wake up and I don't recognize myself. And they go into panic mode. And then there's a fourth peak, but people don't really talk about it because at that point you've kind of accepted your aging process. It's in like your late 50s, where you feel like something is completely shifting again. But that's usually accepted, right? And this past year, there was a study that came out where they have shown scientifically that

there's two times in your life, so two out of the four peaks. Eventually, science will catch up to my theory. I think. You're ahead of the curve. I think so. That at 44, and at 60, you have massive increases in the aging process. Like your body kind of deteriorates at 44 and then at 60. So that has been scientifically proven and that came out this year. But I do think there's two peaks prior. And I do think that in the past, prior to social, we didn't really notice that first peak because we're young. I mean, 28, 29, 30, 32, even 38 is young, right?

But you're younger and it's not normal to be staring at yourself that often. So you have to be very strong mentally to be able to accept it. and not have it take a mental toll. And it happens to the best of us where it takes a mental toll. But because people are looking at themselves more, they're noticing it more. And so they're much more attuned to the shifts that are happening in their faces. And that first peak does happen in your late 20s, early 30s. But it's a slower progression.

And then it happens faster and faster and faster as you get wiser. Dun, dun, done. But it's like, this is, like, I'll tell you, like I did a TikTok once on that. And the amount of like Gen Z hate comments. Oh my God. Gen Z thinks they're never going to age, first of all. Gen Z has beef with themselves about having beef with us. My point is never to fearmonger.

I'm not here to tell you, oh my God, you have to come and do all. No, no, no, no, no. I think if you are aware of what is going to happen, it makes it much more realistic in terms of you approaching the aging process. And it makes you more open to figuring out how you want to age. because I think the biggest issue that happens, especially in younger people, is that they are aging in the now and they are preventing the aging in the now without looking at their face and how they're aging with a long-term view. It's like a pen. There's a beginning and an end. It's a road of the beginning and there's going to be an end for all of us. But if you look at this road, just as a never-ending road, you're not having that forward-thinking thought process of how am I going to age into my face. And that is when you end up looking weird. and unlike yourself down the road. So if you want to hold on to who you are, you should be

thinking of that road as a beginning and an end so that you can time things for yourselves as you're aging. And it's kind of a morbid way to look at it, but it's the most realistic way to look at it without you getting lost in the forest. I love that. Yeah. And I was thinking as you were talking, that it is very realistic. But I think that the problem that a lot of people encounter with this is that we want instant gratification and we're only thinking about the now, especially when people are younger. You know, they want the lips now. They want to prevent the wrinkles now.

Like, I know so many girls in their 20, early 20s, getting full-faced Botox every few months. And I'm like, what? I know. I mean, I get the preventative aspect of it at a certain point. I did it for 10 years, 28 to 38. And it did prevent me from having static lines. and I loved your video about like, I look like I have Botox, even though I don't, because I have, because I do Botox.

Like, we don't have to be doing it at the cadence that we're doing it. You don't have to do it at the case that you're doing it. And that's, that's like the other thing. It's, again, because you're looking at that aging process as a beginning and an end, I'm not taking it as, oh my God, my movement's back. I need my Botox. I let my movement fully come back. I usually don't Botox myself more than twice a year.

So by month three, movements already kind of back. By month five, I'm like a full on, like, what's that dog sharp paper? whatever, so you know what I mean? Like, I'm like fully moving and mobile, like too much. But I let it come back because you want your muscle memory to come back. You don't want to lose sense of your face. And if you keep yourself flat, starting at 22, what's going to happen when you're 40? Your eyebrows are going to be hitting your eyelashes. You're going to have zero muscle mass. It's going to just thin out everything. And so it's not the sexy answer that people want to hear because they want to hear that there's like a miracle potion, lotion cure. But it's,

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But as you get older, you realize why was I in such a rush? Why was I in such a rush to prevent this aging process, which is a privilege? But also, it's not like it was going to prevent every single line from ever forming. So I feel like people have to take a step back. For sure. Yeah. And when I saw you talking about that, it really resonated with me because I was in that cycle of, okay, I see some movement, going to go, like, get rid of that, you know?

And I was, I think even more nitpicky about my face when I was doing all of that stuff to it, Botox, I stopped doing filler a while ago because I did fat instead, which I loved. But especially with the Botox, like if I saw any line or movement, I was like, oh God. And when that became not an option for me anymore, at first it was really hard. And then I just kind of like accepted it. And now like I don't think about it that much. I mean, I am a little bit like, what could I do for like, you know, this area? but for the most part, like, it's alleviated a lot of that thinking that I had around that,

which was kind of an interesting outcome. But I'm curious if there are any other, not that this is a myth, but any other, like, skincare or beauty practices or approaches that drive you nuts. This is a lot. I know. That's why I wanted to ask you. I'm like, where do we start? I can assume your content.

I know. There's a lot. And I feel like if I go against the grain, I get pooed. on by like, you know, whether it's colleagues or, you know, Gen Z, which I love, I'm kidding, I'm just picking on Gen Z. But I think people have to take a step back, whether it is cosmetic procedures or skincare. And they have to look at the forest and not so much be stuck inside the trees because it's very easy to get lost in the shuffle and get lost in the noise and get overwhelmed, right? And when you're talking about skin care specifically, I think the first biggest misconception is

that you need to have a daily skincare routine. Yes, you should have a daily routine, but you need to look at your skincare routine over the course of a week. And you have to look at the more long-term view of your skincare routine because you can't exfoliate every day. You can't include the retinol and exfoliate every day. You can't, oh my God. You can't, you will bust your face out in the process and you will start getting inflamed. And inflammation is probably the worst thing that you could do for your skin long term, right? So you have to look at your skin over like the course of a week and try to incorporate things periodically. It's not sexy, but it's the reality. Feeling so called out right now. I'm sorry. It's true, right? Like, it's true. I think the second thing is,

everyone wants this notion of like glass skin and we want to look perfectly porous and we want to look completely flawless. And that doesn't exist. You know, it just doesn't exist. And I think the beauty industry has fed into this concept of like, you've got to moisturize your skin, hydration, moisture, moisture, moisture for glass skin, doing this pump, you know, like splashing out of an ocean. All of that stuff. Dolphin skin, all that stuff. And it doesn't work that way. Like, if you're over-hydrating your skin, you're also going to get, I call it like micromaceration

where your skin can kind of break down on a small microscopic level and you're going to get red and inflamed and the whole thing happens all over again. And you'll probably break out as oil gets trapped underneath. So that doesn't work either. And so I think all of these extreme trends bother me, which leads to my third thing, like trends. like your face is not a trend your skin care is not a trend like we shouldn't be like chasing trends and I'm very proud to say even in my own cosmetic practice like everything was once new but not everything new is great and so I'm not the first to jump on the bandwagon when a new

injectable comes on the market and everyone's like oh and then five months later everyone's like you know so it's I feel like I'll watch the trends and kind of see what happens but I don't jump on trends and I don't think you should jump on trends when it comes to your skincare or your cosmetic approach because you have your own unique features that fit you and your dimensions, right? So I feel like those are other things that kind of get under my skin as well. I mean, there's so much. There's a therapy session. But I feel like, I don't know. I feel like people take advantage of other people's insecurities. I can see it from the beauty industry side. I have a skincare brand. I can see it from the practitioner side. I'm obviously

a cosmetic dermatologist. And I just, it like, it breaks me when I see somebody coming in who's tried a patient coming in who's tried a million different. procedures and you look at them and they're just so sad. And it's because they're chasing this like never-ending cycle of unrealistic expectations that nobody's willing to break that cycle because they're all either pocketing or it takes too much time to get in that person's head. And so hopefully, you know, that can start shifting because it can be healthy to take care of yourself and being vain shouldn't be perceived as a negative thing. It's like those who aren't vain at all are usually really depressed. Yeah. Right. And so. And they're the loudest ones on social

loudest ones. And it's true. And they're projecting their own insecurities. And you see that. But it's hard to fully grasp that. And so there is a healthy medium when it comes to vanity. And that's okay. And I think that's why my grandmother lived until she was 97 because she cared, you know, about how she presented herself. But I think you have to find the companies and the beauty industry has to find that moral compass of like not taking advantage and feeding into those insecurities. Unfortunately, I feel like the best way to get engagement, the best way to make money is to not just play into people's insecurities, that's often that outcome, but to get someone to feel a certain way, right?

Like, it's like a psychology game. And I feel like they do exploit that. But I also feel like, you know, we can't really win. I don't know if you experience this. I don't know if you get a lot of pushback from your community. But like, even for me, when I was doing Botox, if I was doing Botox, if I was. I did a skincare video. Everyone's like, oh, it's just the Botox, blah, blah, blah.

And then I stopped doing Botox, do my skincare videos. And they're like, well, it's because you had Botox. And I'm like, and now I've been doing face taping. Actually, don't judge. It's fucking amazing. Okay. Yeah. Amazing.

Just for like I wake. I'm a side sleeper. And like I do kind of express. You don't feel like claustrophobic, though? I got this Japanese face tape. It's so thin. I just do three strips down. my forehead and then one here, one here. And it's so light and I can put it over my skin care and it

I'm not one to judge and I'm honestly open to seeing anything. Yeah. I will try it. Okay. I'll send you some. Although I tried to mouth tape and my husband freaked out and he was like, get that shit off your mouth. My girlfriend is all about the mouth. She gave me some and I'm like, I don't think so. Yeah. I think I'm good with the other. I lasted like four minutes and he ripped it off. He's like, we're not sleeping with the show. Oh my God. I know. The things that we do now. But I didn't do it last night and I noticed when I woke up. I think I had my eyebrows raised the whole night because I had like static lines in my forehead. And it just keeps that from happening. And things are like very smooth. I totally believe it. I mean, look when people first get Botox right. Within that first two week period as it's kicking in, they come in feeling either that

their eyelids are poofy or they're heavy. But it's lymphatic fluid. Yeah. That's not moving. Yeah. Especially it's worse in the morning. I was so puffy when I was getting Botox all the time. Because you're not moving your eyebrows overnight and people move their face while they're sleeping. And so I believe that having the tape might almost be like some sort of like feedback mechanism where like you can't move as much. So there's probably some truth to it. Yeah. But I think it's a miracle. Probably not. But it probably helps on the margin. Yeah. It definitely helps. And but if I post a video about that, then people yell at me about that, about being so vain. Oh my God, you're taping. And I'm like, what do you want? What is winning? Like, what do people want? I think that's why you have to do it for yourself. Yeah. And honestly,

like the more I grow on social and the more you get exposed and the more you get exposed to both like, you know, people who support you and people who just want to break you down, the more you have to come to terms with you are living for yourself. And as long as you can show up honestly for yourself every day, that's all that matters. Like I'm not living. I'm not a paid actor, right? I'm not, and honestly, I don't really get paid for my social at all. I hardly take the sponsorships. So for me, it's about like just speaking very truthfully as I would in private, a patient I would do in front of my screen on the phone. And when it comes to those people who want like, well, it's a Botox or it's the filler or it's a, I obviously have a skincare brand. I'm obviously

a cosmetic dermatologist. But you guys see my face every day on stories. Like you would know if I'm lasering it every day. And people are going to want to believe what they want to believe because they want to think that there's this secret that you're not sharing. But the reality is it is not a sexy answer. And it's about being consistent. And I tell patients all the time, like, I will refuse to laser them unless they're on a very militant skincare routine. Because there's no point for me to laser them, especially their discoloration, if they're not taking care of their skin in the aftermath, because they're going to end up at point zero again for what. So it's really about just educating and showing up very consistently. And at the end of the day, those who are going to want to

understand you and have an open mind will start believing you. And those who don't want to understand you and want to stay closed and want to project are never going to believe you. So there's no point in trying to water that garden. Yeah. I think it's more just kind of interesting for me to see, like, people's behavior are interesting and a little bit disheartening. But, you know, you just have to go into it with no expectations of how people are going to view you. It's like one patient came in because I was really sad about the world events. And she was like, your problem is you love humanity, but you hate people.

And I was like, no, I don't, like, maybe like the anonymous person who constantly attacks, like, you know. User 8.59-27. Yeah, but I just thought it was such a funny, like, I was like, that's very interesting. You know. That's great. Yeah. So funny. I do want to ask you about lasers, but just some trends that I wanted to get your take on, salmon sperm, polynucleotides.

This is, like, really big right now. I know that it's been in Korea for, like, over a decade, I think. not FDA approved here yet, but it's like the latest, greatest thing in L.A. I did a whole YouTube on it. Yeah. I think there's merit to it. I think it has a viral name because it's called salmon sperm, you know? Yeah. It's not really the salmon sperm that's being put on your face or injecting. It's the DNA. Yeah. I think there can definitely be merit to it. And I've seen patients who've had it, especially overseas, and they look great. In the U.S. though, as a medical provider, a doctor who's gone through 12 years of schooling and how much hundreds of thousands of debt,

The last thing I'd want to do is put my medical license at risk. So anybody who's willing to inject it under your skin, when it is not FDA approved, I question their overall ethics and how much they value their own. When you have more to lose, you're less likely to give that up, right? And so the ones who are injecting it makes me wonder, like, do they have nothing to lose? Because yes, you could be buying the salmon's firm from the company, right, potentially. But it's not. But it's not. FDA approved, that means it hasn't passed the checks and balances in this country in terms of manufacturing. So the person who's buying it doesn't necessarily know if they're buying it from the legit place or doesn't necessarily know if they're getting it through like the manufacturing plant that was following the sterilization process or like you don't know. So don't take that risk. If you're applying it topically, that's different. With like microneedling. It's different. The risk is less, right? But if you're injecting it, how are you going to turn that around if God forbid, you have a complication, a really bad allergic reaction.

Especially like people are doing around their eyes. Look, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. So I'm, again, everything great was once new, but not everything new is great. I'm sure it is great when you inject it. But as a provider in the U.S., I won't inject it until it's approved because, again, I want to make sure that what I am purchasing is purchased from the source. If there's a complication, I can go back to the source and we could deal with it together

versus you're like a, you know, a lone ranger. Yeah. Like a guinea pig. A guinea pig. But you're like a guinea pig. And I don't think people fully get that. And the more you have to lose, the more conservative you're going to be, which is for your safety. A lot of people ask me, like, how do you vet a good provider?

And that's a good way to kind of gauge, like, okay, where is this person? Are they willing to do things that somebody else told me no or something? Like, that might be a red flag or a sign or if they're doing these treatments that aren't approved. you know, they maybe don't have as much to lose and you might not want to go down that road. Yeah. I mean, go get it in Korea. A thousand percent. Go do it.

If you're going to do it, go do it. Whatever it's approved. I think there's merit to it. And I did a video on that too. And people were shouting at me in the comments like, oh, the FDA is the holy grill. I'm like, no. And I actually wrote in the caption. The MDA is not the holy grail.

I literally wrote it in the caption, but no one reads the caption. My point was the provider doesn't know exactly what they're getting. And you as a patient then are not going to. know exactly what you're getting. It's going to be no repercussion on anyone except for potentially the provider losing their medical license. So yeah. Interesting. For years, we have heard about the benefits of the Mediterranean diet for cardiometabolic health. But did you know that prolon by Al-Nutra's fasting mimicking diet has now been clinically shown to provide similar results and in some cases actually surpass the Mediterranean diet? This is groundbreaking. According to a

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that I sent you. Let's see. What other trends do I want to ask you about? What about the viral collagen masks? Have you seen those? Like the biodance? Oh, the ones that you sleep with overnight? Yeah. Okay. I did another video once where I was like, collagen is useless. And then I got shat at. And my point with that is that I would tell you probably eight out of 10 patients who come in telling me that they're using a collagen cream. Like I'm thinking of like the L'Oreal, very basic generic one or even like a basic collagen mask, thinks that they're using collagen in order to replenish their collagen, right? But like pure collagen is not going to replenish your collagen.

It's a great humectin. It's going to hydrate your skin, but it's just a good hydrator. Unless you have collagen peptides that are helping your skin, a product that's just labeled pure collagen does not appeal to me. And that's like misleading in terms of marketing. And that was my point of that other video where I said collagen was useless because I was coming from the perspective of patients come in thinking they're using it. Well, I'm using this collagen cream and I feel like I'm losing, I don't have any bounce in my skin and my skin's like getting crepey. And a subset of people really believe that collagen cream is going to replenish collagen.

But you have to look for collagen peptides and look beyond just the big collagen ridden in bold. Topical collagen peptides or ingestible? No. Okay. I mean, definitely topical I'm talking about. ingestable was really like a huge question mark for a long time. There's a couple of studies where it's like maybe it tricks your body into thinking that it's broken down so you need to recreate it.

But your body doesn't know if it needs to go to your skin, your joints, your hair. It doesn't know your eyes, whatever, your ligaments. So is it going to go necessarily to your skin and give you better looking skin? It's kind of a question mark. I think if you're like on a major budget and you're trying to figure out your life, I wouldn't necessarily invest in that because it's expensive and it adds up. And I think there's other more secure ways. ways to look better if you're on a budget. But if you have like, you know, disposable income and you're

ready to go spend your money, sure, why not? Throw it in your coffee every day. It's not going to kill you. But it's not necessarily going to be something that I would hold on to if I didn't have that much money to spend. What are some of the ways that we can look our best on a budget? Okay. So like let's like break it down to simplicity, right? Number one, washing your face. I think washing your face at night is key. I actually watched us with water in the morning, but you have to wipe the day off your face and get all that crud off. Because it builds up and after a certain age, I don't know if you've noticed this. If I sleep with a little bit of makeup on like a little bit of mascara, I look like crap the next day.

Like really like crap. And it's weird. Like when I was 20, it wasn't the case. When I was in my 20s, I would be up for two days in the same makeup. Totally fine. Skin was amazing. Amazing. Amazing.

But something switches, right? And you have to wipe it off because that causes that breakdown of your skin over time. antioxidant buildup, et cetera. Okay. Number two, getting into the habit of exfoliating is important. I think in 2020, people went crazy and discovered like HAs, BHAs and decided exploding. I use all of them every night. Every night. My skin is raw. Really bad. But like exfoliating like two or three times a week, looking for exfoliating acids to have anti-aging benefits like glycolic acid. That's why it's my favorite one because it does hydrate. It is a humectin, but it also helps promote collagen production. Number three, understanding the retinol game. It does.

Does it mean that you have to blow your face up in the process and have like the highest percent retinoid prescription, et cetera? But even having something throughout the course of the week can help long term, right? Number four, peptides. There are different types of peptides for different issues. Some peptides help with muscle movement, other ones help with collagen production, other ones help with evening out your skin tone. So understanding that not all peptides are created equal and what you're using if you want to incorporate in your routine. and then moisturizing, moisturizing for your skin type and your environment.

Like if you're in Utah and it's dry, you need a thick-ass moisturizer on top of a hydrating serum on top of a very lightweight essence. So you need to layer it. But if you're oily in Florida, you probably don't need as much, right? I love that Florida humidity. I look like a baby.

Yeah, it's different. It's very different. Everything just like slides off your face. And then last sunscreen. And I think people have complicated I need it sunscreen so much. Is it chemical? Is it mineral? Is it tinted? Is it not? Find the sunscreen you'd like and just stick to something that you know you're going to be using. Because there's no point in doing all of this if you're not protecting your best asset, right? So I know that you are a proponent of even skin tone being one of the things that will make you look more youthful for longer. Absolutely. Take a step back, right? Look at the makeup industry.

Where is there such a large focus? Foundations, color correcting. And people don't realize that you can achieve an even skin tone through your skincare. And so when I thought of my own skincare line and I thought of my practice and I focus on cosmetics, the biggest bang for your buck that you can have is an even skin tone. And I say the biggest bang because it's the one that's most achievable through skincare. You're never going to replenish volume through skin care. You're never going to completely re-texturize your skin just through skincare.

So skin tone, however, is different. And you can really make a difference when it comes to brown discoloration, hyperpigmentation, sunspots, even melasma. And so for me, it was always about having a skincare routine for my patients and myself, because I also have melasma. And when it crept up on my face after my son was born, it really had a bad emotional, like psychological impact. I couldn't look at myself. I didn't want to take pictures of my child. I was like, I felt horrible about how I looked and how I, you know, like what happened to my face. And so I feel like that's one thing that can really empower people to make a difference for themselves. And so using the right skin care is very important. It's not just about hydrating and getting a nice serum and moisturizer, but actually using products that make a difference for your skin over time and that can help even out your skin tone. So you're looking for ingredients like not just vitamin C and not just retinol, glycolic acid, lack. Lachia. Lacholic acid, lack. Acetic acid, caucic acid Arbutin, certain extracts like licorice root, papaya enzyme, certain peptides like I mentioned can also help. So you want to incorporate all of these actives at levels that are not going to just blow up your face, but effective levels while they work together on a weekly

basis so that your skin can stay maintained. And most of my patients who are on a budget, I will start with their skin tone. Because when you take a step back, it's not like that line or wrinkle that's aging them. It really isn't. It's, do they have like a big blotch? here? Do they look ruddy? Do they look messy? And so understanding your skin tone and variations of your skin tone overall, whether it's like hyperpigmentation, are you really red, or is the hyperpigmentation masking the redness? Or is the redness masking the hyperpigmentation? That's what can make the biggest difference, I think. And then if they want to like ramp it up and they have the skincare down, what lasers do you like? Oh yeah. So we start with skincare. We boost with prescription.

All right. So like I'm talking like melasma, for example, skincare, boost obviously. They need. the hydroquinone and the Tret. And then at that point, once I know that they're more or less under-controlled, we talk about lasers. I will not necessarily laser and melasma patient, but if you have like a lot of sunspots, I love the Alex laser because it can be very specific. FRAXL obviously is a great one, but you have to be careful if you're prone to melasma. I think IPL or any sort of BBL is like washing a wall before you paint it. You know, it's like just a good pretreatment, but it's not necessarily the means to the end. I like IPL. Like I had a lot of sun damage on my chest, like dark I did IPL and then I fraxil.

Yeah. It was like the magic erase on top of. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And so you have to understand how those lasers all come into play. There's obviously clear and brilliance and Prima, which is the lighter version. But I never stop. I'd rather go wrong and strong once you're going into the laser domain. So those are all the ones that I kind of play with for discoloration. And then for redness, the pulse dye laser is my favorite. It's my workhorse. I think people don't understand redness and they underestimate how much redness they have until they treat it. Then they can never unsee it. It's really interesting. What is pulsed eye laser? What's, which one is that? The pulse eye laser. It's, no, it's called V-Beam. Oh, V-Beam. Oh, V-B. Oh, I love V-Beam. Me too. I love it. People don't

understand V-beam until they see the difference. And you get like a little glow from it. You get a glow. I think it helps suppress that superficial inflammation that you have on your face. So your pores look firmer, your skin looks more even. It's really just helping with the redness, but it helps so much also with the texture indirectly. So, yeah, V-Beam is one of my favorite treatment. Another thing that people always ask about are sagging, jowling, and creepy skin. I know those are all kind of different things. Sagging, the jowling, and creepy skin. How do you approach that?

And when is it time for like a surgical intervention? That's a very, very good question about the surgical intervention. We'll get to that in a second. But how do I approach sagging versus creepy skin? Those are two separate issues. So in my mind, like sagging, I think of sagging versus sinking. Are you somebody who's losing volume completely and you're like sinking in and caving in? You know?

Or are you somebody who has the volume but you're just dropping? I'm going to be more of a stagger, right? I have a weaker jawline. I don't have the greatest bony projection. And I have volume, so I'm going to drop. But you know those sinkers who have no volume in their face and they start to cave in on their cheeks and their temples. So you look at those two subset of patients and you try to approach them, you know, differently. I don't use fillers to lift, all right?

It got overblown this whole lifting. Like a filler cannot lift. I use fillers to fake optical illusions, to fake proportions in a face. No one is symmetric. Everyone has one side that's wider and one side that's narrower and one side that's higher and one side that's lower. So I use fillers to even out the height of your face on both sides

so that you look more cohesive. And when you are a sagger, it's easier to do because you have volume there that you can play with. When you are a sinker, it's harder to do because you need to replenish that volume, unfortunately. And so the filler is doing a little bit double-duty work. Or you have to look for things that are like stimulants, like sculpture, to help give an underpadding to a person's face before you could play with that proportion. And so you have to look at the person in front of you and how they're aging

and follow their aging process because some sinkers end up holding to filler better than others. So if that person is okay, you can slow it down on them. but there are some who just eat it up like it's water. And so you have to kind of change your way of working with them. So that's how I approach the volume aspect. But crepey skin is more of a textural thing. And it is somewhat related to volume as well. If you don't have any under padding, yes, you can get crepeier or faster.

So if you're a sinker, you can look crapeier or faster. But creaky skin generally is usually just a textual thing. And so how do you then work on the superficial texture of the skin? A combination of different ways from using your own blood, PRP, PRF. I think that works great when you're introducing it with trauma. So micrneedaling and adding that to the micrneedaling, it makes a bigger difference than just doing it on its own. Retextorizing lasers, I think FRAXL can also be helpful. I am not as big a fan of like ablative lasers like CO2 lasers where you blow your face off literally

because people are doing it in their 20s and they do not need to be doing it that young because they can start looking waxy fast as they get older. And it's like a weird waxy look to the skin that happens. It's like, I mean, you're literally creating these superficial burns, right? So over time, if you do it way too much, it's not going to look right. So I kind of like to keep that for a later stage in life, but not at a younger stage in life. And then even certain fillers, when you dilute them or you'll have the skin boosters in Europe, like Profilo or Skin V, which is like the American sort of version, which is not as good as

prophylo, but certain skin boosters can really make a difference to kind of create that superficial tautness to the skin. But it's a multi-dimensional approach. So it's not just a one-size-fits-all. You have to look at the person's face, their structure and everything when you're approaching that. But getting back to the surgical question, I ask every patient who comes in is plastic surgery in your future? And not because I'm judging, but because I want to know, again, like, what is their journey and how am I supposed to pace myself for that person? And so I ask every patient that comes in. And, and if they're like completely against it, I'm like just put a note, don't talk about plastic surgery with this patient. Or if they're like open to it, like put a note reminder when I should

tell this patient to go start for consultations. Because I tell every patient, a facelift is a great thing if that's something that you want to do, but you're going to have to maintain your face afterwards. And it's not because I do what I do. It's because you're aging the second you walk out of the OR. And so if you're getting a facelift, usually around like nine months after, you start doing lighter maintenance and you start holding onto your face. And so you can, you can, hold on again to the essence of who you are and hopefully not let it go sideways, right? But I think with plastic surgery, the eyes, you want to do before you really need it because you don't want to go from looking extremely tired to all of a sudden looking open

and looking like a different human. So you want to kind of hit the eyes slightly before you need it. So it's still your eye shape, your expression, your face. So that's the only one that I really think you should do ahead of time. And then usually when it comes to a facelift, I think doing it in your 30s is wild. I don't know. Like, again, I look at it as a long-term road and I'm like, what are we trying to chase here? Unless somebody has a real issue, of course, you know, there are exceptions to the rule.

But I usually think like facelifts, lowered face 47 to 53 is like that like zone where you want to get it in. And I think usually if they go after 60 for their face lifts, like it's going to be okay, but it's harder to achieve that result you're looking for. because once you get the jowls, it's hard. And if you're going to do a facelift and you're going to pull, your mouth is going to look like this, it's not right. So after a certain point, once you lose that elasticity in your skin, you have to be okay with a facelift that's not perfect if you want to look good.

So that's why you have to kind of time it correctly with your face as you're aging. I like small tweaks over time. And I feel like that's the most undetectable way because as you age, your appearance does change anyway. Yeah. So if you're doing these little tweaks, it's not like such a drastic thing to your point where all of a sudden you're 60. And you're like going from this to this.

Yeah. And that's how people get that like wind swept or like the lion face. You know, it's so dramatic. The wheels have fallen off. It's like trying to put them back on. A thousand percent. But like the raw material is like not maybe as good as it is when you're 47. Honestly, a thousand percent.

And when you see like these like plastic surgery before and after is of like a woman who's like clearly in her 1960s. And then the after it looks like the person had a head transplant. Yeah. I don't go, wow. Like, okay, amazing work. Yeah. Credit to the physician.

Absolutely. But from like a mental perspective, I'm like, holy mother. Like this person, for me, that's not what I would want for myself. And so I would want to like keep holding onto my face in a slower way. So again, eyes before you fully need it. Light work if you feel like this is dropping. But I wouldn't go from like zero to a thousand at like 60, hoping. hoping to get everything done once I'm past the stage.

I have a friend who's a plastic surgeon and he says like there's the conveyor belt of time. You can't get off the conveyor belt, but you can do these things that can like set you back a little bit on that conveyor belt of time. Like a facelift, like a eye procedure, whatever it is. And you're not trying to stop it. You know, you're just like trying to move a few steps back. Okay, real quick, I wanted to ask you, I know that you've done this on your social media, but I really liked it. unsexy products to glow up. And then I'm going to combine it just for the sake of time with some of your beauty and skincare rider dyes. And if any of those unsexy products fall into that

category. Okay. So you just want me to list some? Go for it. So obviously butt paste, like triple paste, butt cream, diaper rash cream. I explain that one too. I have two kids. And I have two kids. These I get really bad diaper rashes. And I've gone through every single diaper rash cream on the market. And then there was this one particular diaper rash cream that would always just like seal the deal and keep their butts perfectly clean and they wouldn't get rashy. And I thought to myself, wow, that's interesting because in winter, my face is always kind of inflamed, wind burns, cold, et cetera. I'm always running. My nose is always running. And so I was like, huh, I'm going to use this on my face at night.

And it makes sense. There's like zinc oxide. It's an anti-inflammatory. It's still thick. It's an inclusive. So I started applying it to my face and using it calling it face basting. And I use it in very dry climate. when the weather is harsh to help restore my skin.

And that has been a game changer for me. It's very heavy if you're prone to malaria. If you're acne prone, if you live in a humid, don't do it. So it really depends on your skin and your climate, et cetera. But that's a ride or die. I think another great one is, I mean, not sexy at all, benzoporoxide, but I use it on my body. I use it in my underarms.

I use it like on my butt after working out just to make sure like I don't develop butt acne. It helps with body odor. It helps to minimize all that stuff. benzoproxides and unsexy one. It will bleach your towels. So just if you are into colorful towels, maybe switch to white. But that is one. Antifungal shampoo. I love. Niseral is a great one that's available over the counter. For what? I'll tell you. This is what pisses me off about regulations in this country. Because it is an antifungal shampoo, Niseral, which is also known

as ketoconazol, the prescription, the drug, its claim is that it helps with suborraine dermatitis. they will never label it or allow you to use it as a face wash in terms of like marketing. But it is one of the best face washes out there if you have feboreg dermatitis, which is some people call fungal acne. Some people also have like as like dandruff of the face. Rosacea patients, a lot of them have that flaking around their nose right here or right here along their eyebrows. And it works really well as a face wash. But you'll never get that marketed as that because of the regulations around it so it's always going to be an anti-dandruff shampoo that you're going to find it as. That is a very interesting and unsexy one. What else? What else have we? What else do we have in the unsexy category

domain? I don't know. Or just beauty, whatever. We can just do your rider dies. Is your skin care? Your rider dies? They have to be, right? Listen, I have melasma. I have not done any sort of fractal Alex IPL in over two years because I'm terrified of it flaring up. And the only reason it stayed under control is because I've been so consistent with the major fade line. So I launched this purple line called Major Fade in 2022. And it is an exfoliating mask, this like powerhouse serum that I'm obsessed with. I would like I can't live without it. And then a vitamin C moisturizer with other peptides as well inside of it, anti-pigmentation peptides. And I use it every day. I use it every day. I've been very consistent with it. I sometimes boost it with hydroquinone if I go to the beach or if I'm coming back

from summer really hot and it starts to flare. So I'll boost that with hydroquinone, but I don't use it for more than like two or three weeks at a time ever. And it's kept my skin really, really, really, really calm and at bay. So that's really what I stick to. And I'm testing out a bunch of products currently that we're working on. So it's funny. Like people are like, your skin looks different. I'm like, I know. Something I'm like, there's stuff I'm working on. That's exciting. It's just annoying. You have to wait. When is it going to come out? In the next year and a half. Okay. Wow. It takes so. long. It takes so long. Formulation, reformulating. It takes so long. Yeah. And I want to do clinical studies. And so

I'm self-funded. And so everything is a little bit slower, but it's fine. But we would do clinical studies on all the products. And we send it to an independent place to study them and to review them. So, yeah. It's exciting. But it takes while. Yeah. Yeah. I would imagine. Well, I adore you. Thank you so much for coming on. This was so fun. Yeah. And your skin, like, I mean, it looks bananas. Really? So yeah. I slept four hours. And I told you. I was like allergy, like rubbing my face this morning. No, you look amazing and you crushed it. Thank you. Thank you so much. Tell everybody where they can find you and where they can get your skincare too. So they can find me on Instagram and TikTok and YouTube at Shereen Idris. And they can also find me at Dr. Idris.com. And they can also find me at Sephora on the next best best thing wall.

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