Well with Arielle Lorre - 401: Eat to Glow: The Surprising Link Between Diet, Wrinkles, and Grey Hair with Maria Marlowe

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

Maria Marlowe is a holistic nutritionist known as The Acne Nutritionist for her integrative approach to heal acne, gut issues and inflammation. She joins the show to discuss skincare lies we have been led to believe, how to actually achieve glass skin, reduce wrinkles through diet, how to reverse grey hair and how to glow from within. We also talk best and worst skincare trends including red light therapy, face tape and castor oil.Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Save 15% off my favorite red light face mask at boncharge.com and use code BLONDE.Go to ritual.com/BLONDE for 25% off your first month. Try LMNT and get a free sample pack when you to to DrinkLMNT.com/WELLVisit ProlonLife.com/BLONDE for 15% discount and your free bonus giftGo to ro.co/BLONDE to see if your insurance covers GLP-1s for free.Visit fatty15.com/WELL and use code WELL at checkout for 15% off their 90-day subscription Starter Kit.Produced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Well, a podcast about wellness in all its forms. I'm Ariel Laurie, and each week I'm sharing unfiltered conversations with people shaping how we feel, live, and look. Come for the substance, stay for the honesty, and leave with the tools to be well, inside and out. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the show.

I have such a great, fun, informative episode for you today. I am talking to Maria Marlowe. So I first came across Maria when I started seeing a lot of viral clips of her on other podcasts talking about things like naturally reversing gray hair and why she doesn't do Botox and how she helps to manage things like wrinkles and fine lines through diet and lifestyle. And I was very intrigued. So a little bit about Maria, she is a certified holistic nutritionist. She's best known. as the acne nutritionist. So since 2013, she has helped thousands of women improve their skin and their overall health by helping to upgrade their eating habits and their self-care. She has dedicated her time and research to acne and developed a proven science-backed doctor-approved

protocol for reversing acne naturally through diet and lifestyle changes without the need for medications. She regularly attends continuing education for integrative dermatology and nutrition. So she's on top of the latest research. And I have to tell you, and I think I say it in the episode, I was sitting about two feet away from her in front of her at the table when we were podcasting. And I don't know that I've ever seen somebody have such a glow from within. And I don't just mean her skin. And she doesn't do Botox or anything like that. We talk about what happened to her with Botox years ago in the episode. But her eyes, like she has those sparkling, glowing eyes. and she just radiates health and vitality.

So I was, as the kids say, sat for this conversation. I was like, I will do anything you say because of the fact that you can tell that she walks the walk. She doesn't just talk the talk. So we talk about everything in this episode from how to get glowing skin from within. We talk about specific skincare products that she loves. We talk about skincare lies that we have been led to believe. We do touch on Botox.

And look, neither of us are anti-Bitone. Botox. So if you are doing your Botox and you also want to do the more natural holistic things, we're all for that. You do you. We talk about acne, of course. We talk how to eliminate things like fine lines through diet. We talk inflammation, how to reduce it, how to reduce gray hair. We talk how to detox heavy metals, how to really truly get glass skin. Of course, we cover skincare trends like red light, face tape, castor oil, and so much more. This one is just such a fun listen. I know you guys are going to love it, and there's so many takeaways.

So please enjoy Maria Marlowe. Welcome. Thank you for having me. You have incredible glowing skin. Thank you. We're sitting like two feet across from each other. So I get a great view here, and it's amazing. I would love for you to start by just telling everybody what you do for your routine.

Yeah. Your routine. My skin routine is more of an internal skin routine. I'm actually very minimal on the topical stuff. So I really believe that the healthiest skin starts with the healthiest gut and the healthiest diet, the healthiest lifestyle. So for me, skin care is eating a nutritious diet, lots of anti-inflammatory foods, low glycemic foods, collagen-rich foods, probiotics are super important for the gut.

And in terms of other things that I do for my skin, keeping my stress low as possible, I think that really makes a difference. And interestingly, there's actually signs to show that when we're stressed, it disrupts our gut, creates inflammation, and it shows up on our skin as breakouts and even premature aging. So I would say healthy diet, trying to keep my stress low as possible, although it's not always easy. And then topically, yeah, I mean, I just use literally cleanser, maybe a serum here or there, and a moisturizer, and that's it. Do you have any ride or die non-negotiables, or is it just whatever you have on that day? So I love Hobo Oil. I just use that to take my makeup off at the end of the day.

Then for a cleanser, I really like, I kind of switch between, like, whatever I'm in the mood for. But I like Eminence. They have a probiotic cleanser, actually, which is amazing. I know that one. Yeah. Yeah. And then I also like Covo. I don't know if you know this around Covo Essentials.

They have a turmeric cleanser, which is really nice. And then, oh, there's one other brand. Actually, there's an esthetician based here in L.A., Brigitte Tulson. She has something called Daily Detox, which is a, face wash and it's amazing. So I kind of cycle between those. Yeah, I need to try that. Yeah, it's really good. I want to talk a little bit about some of the biggest skincare lies that we are fed. I saw that you did a post on this and I thought that it was a good entry point for this conversation because a lot of them are things that, you know, so many of us internalize and we are

led to believe like preventative Botox and we're not going to go off on Botox this entire episode, but I did want to get your take on it and just other things that we are led to believe that aren't necessarily the best thing for our skin. Yeah. Well, I guess we could start with the preventative Botox. Let's do it. Yeah. So I know you had some issues with Botox. I did as well. So I never did it in my face, but I'm talking like almost 20 years ago. I did it under my arms to stop sweating. And it just was the worst thing that I ever did. And it's actually a big reason why I'm so into wellness because it created a lot of problems for me where my lymph nodes were swelling. And I'm talking for like days, weeks, months, years, kind of coming and going. And that's what really got

me into like sauna and, you know, exercise and all these other things that we need to do to support our health. So preventative Botox is a scam. I think that we, you know, telling 20 and 30 something, so we don't have lines yet that they need to do it is not really the best thing for them. Because what we know now is when you freeze these muscles, they can atrophy over time. And then you just end up needing more of it and kind of paradoxically, sometimes looking older when that's not, you know, you were trying to get the opposite effect. Another myth, I think the biggest myth around acne is that it's caused by bacteria. It's not. It's actually caused by inflammation. So about, I think it was like early 2010s, acne was actually reclassified from a bacterial infection to a chronic inflammatory

skin disorder. So that should have really changed the way that we treat acne, but it hasn't. So we're kind of treating the same antibiotics to the most commonly prescribed medication for it. And even topically, we use a lot of antibiotics or antimicrobial washes and serums and things. But really, we need to target inflammation. And inflammation starts in your gut, starts with your diet, starts with the stress. And that's really where we need to be targeting first to reduce that inflammation. And then once we do that, that can reduce the inflammation in the skin and reduce our breakouts. I love how you peeled back the layers, essentially, where it's like people are kind of

looking at the most upstream thing, right? And you're looking at the downstream, which I love. Yeah, because I think we really need to go to the root, you know? That's the only way that we're going to get to the heart of the problem is to really look at the root. Yeah. I would love to rewind to the Botox thing a little bit. When I look back on my face, after having had so much Botox, there are things that I really loved about it. But I noticed that certain things like my massators, my masters were gone. So I had a lot of like laxity, I would say, and jowling. in the jaw area and I just had no structure to my lower face. And I also noticed that my eyes were kind of downturned. So I think that that was from, you know, really trying to hit the area for the

crow's feet. And that was in my 30s. So I can't imagine what's happening when you're going in every three, four months, starting at the age of 20, like you're saying. Yeah, it's a lot. And Botox, it's a toxin, right? It's really one of the most toxic substances known to man. So I think there are numerous reasons why we should be more cautious. And there's nothing wrong. You know, everyone needs to decide for themselves like the pros and the cons, right? But I think that I would like to see a world where we're not pushing this on young people, especially, because it's just an added stress and something that we don't need, and they don't need, you know? Can I ask what were your symptoms after you had it? Because I know that adverse events usually happen after therapeutic Botox, which is

something like for under your arms, for dystonia, for migraines, you know, where they have to use a lot higher doses. Yeah. Although they do happen after cosmetic as well. Yeah. But what did you notice? Yeah. I've never met somebody in the flesh who's had it, just people online.

So my lymph nodes were swelling. Like they, like it was literally like a golf ball under my arm, which is really scary. Yeah. And that would just, that literally went on for years. It started, you know, a lot and then kind of gradually would come and go, but over the course of years. I also developed an autoimmune condition called Morphia, which is actually, you can still see it here. Like, you see my skin's discolored. So this, this arm was actually the worst arm that had like the biggest lymph node. So this skin became like a whole sheet of scar tissue. It literally looked like

just a big piece of scar tissue. So it looks, you kind of almost can't tell. It's a bit red now. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's just kind of red, but it used to be just a flat, shiny scar tissue, which I've done micronealing on, which kind of got rid of, you know, some of it. But you know, but you know what I mean. So, yeah, so that was, like, the biggest thing that happens. Wow. And again, this is, like, almost 20 years later. Yeah. Which is crazy.

And you've never done it in your face. Never done it in my face. No, because I was so, like, terrified after that. So what are you doing for your face? How old are you, if I can ask? I'm 38. Okay, so we're the same age. Yeah.

So I do face taping, thanks to you. Oh, yeah. So I think it really works. Face taping is amazing. Yeah, your forehead is like a, it's like an ice skating rink, which is helping you love. Oh, thank you. So I actually, you know, I don't really have. lines on my forehead and I think it's really the diet honestly I think it's having a lot of

anti-inflammatory foods I think it's eating enough protein and having enough collagen in the diet and keeping the blood sugar stable because we do know that a high glycemic diet can create inflammation and that basically degrades our collagen and can lead to premature aging so I do think that's what's helping my forehead but for me like it's more the crow's feet over here and it I'm telling you it's like really works yeah and it works quickly too yeah which is amazing yeah yeah so I do that What else do I do? I think bone broth is helpful. Again, just having collagen-rich foods. And, yeah, I would say those are some other things. Yeah, I mean, because you think about younger people and you even look at kids and teenagers and they have full movement, but then the skin bounces back. So it's not about inhibiting movement.

And I remember after I had to stop getting Botox and then we'll move on from that. I went to a friend of mine who's a plastic surgeon and he was like, you actually look younger because a telltale sign of age, especially here in L.A. where people just take everything to the nth degree. Yeah. Is a completely frozen face because that just shows that you're trying to. you know, get rid of all of your movement. So people who are older tend to have that. So a little bit of movement is good. And I love seeing it too. Yeah, I think it's beautiful. You know, a couple of years ago, I went to Norway for a hiking trip. And one thing that really struck me is that while I was there,

all of the women, like, they were just aging naturally and they were just so strong and so healthy and so, like, vibrant. And they looked great, you know, they looked great. And you can tell that they lived a good life, you know, and I think that's a beautiful thing. Okay. So let's go to the gut, since that's the root of everything. What are like some of the best and worst things that we do for our guts? Yeah. So, okay, we can start with the worst things, the bad stuff first. So definitely too much sugar, refined carbohydrates and processed foods is not great for our gut. That can wipe out some of our good bacteria. Too many vegetable oils also are not great for the gut. But basically what the research shows is that gut dysbiosis is responsible for

a number of chronic inflammatory skin issues, including acne, psoriasis, rosacea even. There seems to be a gut root. So for acne, a lack of the good lactobacillus and bifidobacteria strains has been linked to acne. And we've also found that acne patients tend to have more leaky gut than people without, and they also tend to lack enough strains so they don't have like good gut diversity. We know for psoriasis, there is a big association with increased intestinal permeability or leaky gut. Rosacea, there is a link with SIBO, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. So more and more research is really showing that the gut and skin are very intricately connected. And so we really need to make sure that we're replenishing that good bacteria in our gut

because modern life seems like it's made to deplete those good bacteria, right? Stress depletes it. Process foods, modern foods, taking antibiotics or certain medications can deplete it, tap water, all these things can take an effect on our gut. So it's really important that we're actively adding them back in through fermented foods, through taking probiotics and really making sure that we're getting our gut back to a good place. Do you recommend that people get a, like, stool test to see where things stand? Okay. Yeah. Before they just start taking probiotics? I think doing a gut test is really great. If you have any sort of chronic skin condition, it's a really good place to start, especially if you've been doing all the things and the topical things or even other things and it's not working. We need to get to the root. And a lot of times skin issues are starting in the gut.

So yes, doing a comprehensive stool panel can be a really great place to start to see if there's dysbiosis, if there's leaky gut, and if there are certain strains that would be most beneficial for that person. Yeah, I think when people hear gut health, gut issues, they tend to think digestion and issues with that as the first symptom that they might experience that something is amiss or if there is dysbiosis there. But is it possible for somebody to have like perfect digestion and be having skin issues or other inflammatory issues and have an imbalance there? So definitely it's unlikely for someone to have skin issues and not have gut issues, to have chronic skin. issues, I should say, because inflammation really starts in the guts. So the way that it starts is actually with a leaky gut. And what happens is when our gut is more leaky, bacteria, toxins, on digested food particles, these can leak out into the bloodstream. And then the immune system

comes in contact with them and tries to fight them, right? Tries to take care of them. And in doing so, it creates inflammation. That inflammation is now in your bloodstream. And so that can go anywhere. And it often, you know, for some people, it goes to the skin and creates an inflammatory skin issue. So I would say it is possible to not really know that you have digestive issues. Like you don't necessarily need to have chronic bloating or pain or anything like that. But it is likely that, you know, constipation, diarrhea, bloating. So there's probably some digestive issues going on there. Talk about some of the vital signs of the body, especially if it, when it comes to, like,

your gut and going to the bathroom, things like that that people should be looking for, because I know that that then affects things like hormones and your liver, right? All of these things are tied to that. So what should it look like for people? Yeah. So we should be going number two every single day, maybe even twice a day. And if you're going once a day, you could actually still be constipated if you're not eliminating completely.

So it is really important that you get your bowels moving. That is really like number one key to clear. your skin is making sure that you're regular because it does aid in hormone balance, like you said. So the way that the body gets rid of excess hormones is the liver would break them down and then send them to the stool to be excreted. And so what happens if we're constipated is that those hormones can actually get reabsorbed back into the bloodstream contributing to imbalances. So for anyone who has hormonal acne or like period acne, definitely make sure that you're

going regularly and completely. So things that can help with that are things like fiber. water, movement, and probiotics, strains like L. Ramnosis, SP1, L. Acidophilus, the bifidobacteri, these are all going to be really beneficial for that. Yeah, and even things like histamine, I mean, I've been talking about that a lot because that's something that I've been dealing with. My long-term thing from the Botox incident has been histamine intolerance and mouth cell issues. And I know that that's so important, too, for clearing the histamine out of your body. And I think that so many people are dealing with those kinds of issues, unknowingly as well.

Yeah, and that's why it's really good to go to a practitioner, especially if you've been trying to do everything yourself and you can't find the solution, it's not working, because it's different. So every single person who has acne is not going to have the same exact root cause. There'll be similarities, but for each of us, it's going to be a little bit different, and so the best treatment plan is going to also be a little bit different.

So that's why it's really important to figure out what your unique root causes are. Let's talk food and the gut and skin and the connection between all of that and hormones come into play as well there. And I was talking to the founders of Clearstem recently and we were talking about that and how a lot of people are told, oh, it's hormonal acne. And it's like, well, yes, it's hormonal acne. But the solution isn't necessarily to treat the hormonal issue because something is causing the hormones to become imbalanced. So it's like exactly what we're talking about. It's peeling those layers back and getting deeper to the root.

So what are the best ways that we can support our bodies and support our hormones and all of that through the food that we're eating? And I know that you also like to talk about the order in which we're eating things. Yeah. So definitely when it comes to hormonal acne, and I will say that to some extent all acne is hormonal because it's hormones that control the sebaceous glands. So there is a hormonal component, you know, across the board. But in terms of getting our hormones into balance, I would say eating enough fiber is really

important because, again, that's going to help with regularity. Cruciferous vegetables are really important. Those support our liver's own natural detoxification processes and helps the liver to better process toxins and hormones. We also want to keep our stress low, make sure we're sleeping because stress can negatively impact our hormones. And very importantly, we also want to eat a low glycemic load diet. So we want to keep our blood sugar stable. This is also important for keeping the wrinkles at bay, you know, preventing premature aging because a high sugar diet is also going to degrade our collagen and cause the lines to show up sooner than they would have otherwise. So those are some of the really big things that I think we need to focus on. Talk about that process

a little bit. Yeah. So, okay, so with keeping your blood sugar stable, there's a few things you can do. This doesn't mean that you never can eat sweet things ever again. It just means that we want to choose wisely and be very intentional with what we're eating. So, for First off, whenever we can, we want to choose whole carbohydrates instead of refined carbohydrates. So refined carbohydrates, things like cakes, cookies, candy, bread, all that kind of stuff. Anything that's made with a flour is a refined carbohydrate. Your whole carbohydrates are things like brown rice, sweet potatoes, you know, wild rice, quinoa, all that kind of stuff.

So when we can, we choose whole. The fiber and the protein that is present in the whole grain is going to keep your blood sugar more stable than anything that's refined. Secondly, the order in which we eat foods is really important because if we have our high carbohydrate food first, that our blood sugar is going to be affected more negatively than if we ate a meal first and we had the sweet as dessert. So try to have your sweets as desserts, not as snacks. So don't have like a 3 p.m. cookie. If you want the cookie, have it after your lunch or after your dinner. Also, the order in which you eat your foods, ideally you're having the fiber first. So your vegetables, and then you're having some protein, whatever that is you want, and then

you're having the carbohydrate. And even if you eat the same exact meal, like let's say on two different days, the same amount of food, everything is the same, except the order is different. The meal where you eat in that order, you'll actually keep your blood sugar more stable than if you were to eat the same meal, but eat the carbohydrates first. Why is it fiber first and not protein first? So the fiber actually creates like a protective sort of physical. or mesh that was going to prevent

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with hormonal acne or is currently eating a diet that's more higher glycemic, adding apple cider vinegar to some water before meals is really good to help keep your blood sugar balance and to aid in digestion. So you could just put a couple of teaspoons or even up to a tablespoon in a glass, you know, small glass of water and you just take that before your meal. That can help there. And I would say eating dessert last. instead of having, you know, snacks, like sweet snacks during the day. Yeah. It's funny because I feel like I used to have such a crazy sweet tooth, and it kind of comes and goes.

But I would try to hack that by actually eating my dessert earlier in the day because I felt like, okay, well, then if I'm craving something, I'm just going to have it. And then I'm not going to have it at night. And I feel like it's more detrimental to me at night, like if I'm eating before I go to bed, a bunch of sugar versus during the day, like, I'm still going to be active. I'm moving around. So, you know, I have more time to metabolize that. I guess. Well, it's always good to prepare it. Whenever you have it, whatever time of day, it's always good to pair it with a source of protein and fat. That is also going to help keep your blood sugar more stable. Are you like very, very pro-protein? I'm not like crazy.

It sounds like you're more like vegetable fiber. I'm balanced. I'm all about the balance because I think, you know, I've been in this industry for a long time now and I've seen the trends come and go and, you know, one year it's vegan, then it's paleo, then it's keto. now it's, you know, carnivore and protein is the star of the show. And I think what ends up happening is we focus on one thing and we forget everything else. And so that's not the way that we're supposed to eat. We're supposed to eat a balanced diet because each different type of food is going to give us different benefits and different things that we need. So yes, we need to eat enough protein, but we also need to eat enough vegetables and fruit and healthy fats. So it is really

important that we're balanced. Yeah. And I feel like people tend to hyper-focused on protein, especially when it comes to skin and collagen and elastin and all of that, whereas I like how you are mentioning that stress is such a huge part of that, and blood sugar is such a huge part of that, and maintaining those things and keeping that balanced can do so much for you, more so than like maybe eating a steak every day. Yes. And one thing I've noticed, I was actually just saying this the other day. So nutrition is so, so powerful. It is literally the building blocks for our cells and for our organs, for our blood, for everything in our body. So nutrition is super duper important. But our body is connected. So our mental thoughts are not disconnected from our

physical body. They're connected. And so they can really affect us. And if you're eating healthy, but you're so stressed out about it, you're doing yourself a disservice, you know? And whereas someone who is maybe not eating so healthy but is really calm and chill, they're probably going to be healthier than the person who's eating healthy and stressed. So again, it's all about balance and making sure that we're not hyper-focusing in one area and neglecting the others. Yeah. Well, I feel like that even in my own life where when I'm here in L.A. and my schedule is really crazy and I'm stressed all the time and I'm eating really clean. I'm preparing a lot of my own meals and everything, but I'm just like not always feeling that great. Whereas then I go on

vacation, I'm eating out all the time. I'm eating kind of whatever. and I feel amazing. And my body feels amazing and my skin looks amazing. And it's like, I have to look at, well, what is the common denominator here? It's like, it's not the food. It's, I mean, sometimes it's the food if you're getting like way better quality. But, you know, stress really is. Takes a toll. Yeah, it really, really does. You know, there's actually an interesting study that was looking at the impact of stress on premature graying of hair. And what they found is that you can actually reverse your gray hair. by not stressing out. And they looked, there was actually a clinical trial where they looked, you know, they followed people for a length of time and found that, you know, when they're on vacation or when there's periods in their life where their stress is a lot lower, the hair actually reverses back to the color. And then, of course, when you're under stress, it turns gray.

Yeah. So stress is really not something we want to let build up. It's something that we do. Like, it's impossible to avoid stress, I think, in this day in life. but we need to find ways to better manage it and how we react to that stress and not let it really eat us up. Could you imagine if we all just lived like on an island and no stress? We would all look like babies with like amazing hair. But yeah, it's interesting. I feel like people push back on that because everybody says, oh, well, you know, graying hair. That's genetic. But genetics essentially like load the gun. Sorry for that analogy. But the environment is going to pull the trigger.

So it's like, and you can see in a family, one person can have really gray hair and the other person might not and the lifestyle could be completely different. Yeah, I mean, there's a whole field of epigenetics, which is looking at exactly that. It's how our diet and lifestyle influence our genes. And even with gray hair, so because I've been kind of experimenting with myself and reversing my own gray hairs. Yeah, you don't have any. Well, there's a few hidden under there. But I've actually found there's a couple of other things besides stress that are helpful. So one, increasing circulation to the scalp.

So doing head massage, like oil, hair oiling is really helpful. You could even do acupuncture to the scalp to help bring circulation there. Great for your face too. Yeah, great for your face. So that's one thing. And then another thing that can cause premature graying is high heavy metals. So if you're eating a lot of sushi or fish, you know, you could have high, heavy metals. We want to get those down and also make sure we're having enough minerals.

So high heavy metals and low minerals can also cause. premature graying. So we want to correct that. And that can also help to reverse. If you have high heavy metals, do you have to quote unquote detox that or is there a way to just kind of bring your body back in balance? I mean, can they get out themselves or do you need to force them out? You need to force them out. Okay. How do you do that? It really depends. So it depends like what your levels are, like what you're dealing with. And it's always best to work with someone to help you with that because they can give you a very specific protocol tailored to you. But, yeah, basically you would want to include things into your diet that are going to help detox

the heavy metals. You want to also increase your minerals as well, making sure you're having a lot of minerals. You know, things like sweating can be helpful. If you do have very high levels, then a practitioner can help you with chelation. It might be necessary. So it really depends on what your levels are and what you need. Are there any other things that people can look for in labs that might be contributing to premature aging or skin issues. I mean, we're talking about acne as well. I'm sure that

there are markers there. For sure. So for acne, it's really helpful to get your blood sugar, like your blood glucose levels and your insulin levels. That's really helpful. And sometimes you can hear something like, oh, a high glycemic diet is not great for your skin. But it's another thing to actually see your lab work and be like, oh, okay, maybe I do have a high glycemic diet. So I think, yeah, looking at your blood sugar and insulin can be really helpful. Certain nutrient deficiencies are associated with acne. So vitamin A, omega-3, and zinc are some of the biggest. And oftentimes, the worst of the deficiency, the worst of the severity of the acne. So doing that kind of testing, these tests can be a bit expensive. So again, working with a nutritionist who can kind of look at

your diet and say, you're probably not getting enough of this or this. So why don't we test and just make sure or you seem to be eating a lot of the stuff. So maybe it's not that you're, you know, if your levels are low, maybe you're not actually absorbing it. So maybe the issue is in the gut. So it is good to work with someone to kind of help guide you there. Okay. So with all of the things that we've been talking about, how do you get quote-unquote glass skin? I saw you did a post on this. And I'm sure that it incorporates pretty much everything that we're talking about here. But, you know, you see so many things online about how to really achieve glass skin. So what do you think are like the core fundamental things?

So number one, I would say actually don't do too much to your skin. Don't use too many topicals because if you have a 30-step skincare, you're probably disrupting your skin barrier and you might actually make it more sensitive and prone to redness and inflammation. This is where I tap out. I know. I know nobody likes to hear this, but that is my belief. Every time I talk about my skincare routine with anybody in the industry,

they're like, how do you have skin? Well, maybe you're making it more resilient. Yeah. But, you know, Candace put me on it and I trust her wholeheartedly. And it changed my skin from like cystic acne and so, so sensitive. Yeah. So, but you know what? It's always good to have a personalized routine, I think, because, again, everyone's different.

Yeah. So I say that's really important. I think getting your gut in order is really, really important. Like, I truly believe I think probiotics are the future of skin care. they can really change your skin from the inside out, so much so that I actually formulate a probiotic called Glowbiome that has six clinically back strains that support that gut skin connection, and it really can transform your skin from the inside out. Another thing that I think is important, again, is going to be keeping your blood sugar stable.

I know I keep harping on this, but it's really everything, even for, again, like the forehead, you know, we're preventing the lines and things like that. It's really, really important to keep your blood sugar stable. eating anti-inflammatory foods, fruit. So actually there is a study on women who consumed vitamin C versus those who didn't, and the women who consumed more vitamin C-rich foods actually had less wrinkles and lines on their skin versus age-matched people who were not having vitamin C. So I do think that eating a nutrient-dense diet is also key.

And then I would say incorporating things into your life that are going to help you with a stress. For some people, it's meditation. For some people, meditation is not for them. It's stressful for them. for them, you know, go into nature when you can, go for a walk, find a hobby, do exercise. Whatever it is for you that's going to reduce stress, I think that's really important to include into your daily routine for your skin. I know it sounds crazy, but really our diet and lifestyle are skin care. Yeah, I love that because I think that people focus on the external things, you know, what can I

buy, what gimmick can I get, what procedure can I do, what skincare can I use, and all of those things can help, but you really have to have the foundational things down. Almost like you can't outtrain a bad diet. Like you can't, I don't know, I don't know how you would change that. You can't out skincare. Yeah, out skin care like a bad lifestyle. I don't know. Like you can't. Exactly. I mean, you could probably. And when you're 20, yes, you absolutely can. But yes, which is why I think it's so funny when I see like these younger girls. And I mean, good for them. They're into skin care. taking care of themselves. I was not at that age. Like it was not a thing. We were in tanning beds, smoking cigarettes all day, like baby oil on our face at the beach. You know, we were just not.

It was a different time. But I also feel like at that age, you can enjoy sleeping in your makeup and getting four hours of sleep and you wake up the next day and you look amazing. But I feel like in our 30s, I don't know about you, but I noticed around like 36 is when things started changing. For sure. I feel the same as you, you know. Yeah. In the 20s, you can really get away with anything. Yeah. And then in your 30s, you're like, no, I need to pay attention here. I need to do something. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah. And I feel like there are different aging peaks. I can't remember where they are. But I think there is one maybe in like the mid-30s for women or late 30s. I don't know. It was hard to tell when I just had Botox in my face all the time because nothing was moving and it looked great. But I did notice like skin quality. things. Yeah, it changes. You know what? And we're living creatures, so it has to change. So I think we just need to accept it more. And it's hard because most of society doesn't, right? And with the filters and all things, that doesn't help, right? Because we're expecting to look like perfect porcelain dolls or something. But it's not the reality. But also we're damned if we do,

damned if we don't. Exactly. So, I mean, it's like if we get things done, then we're vain. And if God forbid somebody has a bad outcome, then people get dragged. And I had, I may have talked about this in a different podcast, but I had pop apologists on my show. And they were talking about like the Lindsay Lohan, Demi Moore, the glowups, the Anne Hathaway. Now it's another one. And people are worshipping these women who get good surgery. And then women who don't have good outcomes who are in the public eye get dragged as though that's what they wanted. Nobody wants to go in and get plastic surgery and come out and not look good. Yeah. So it's like the surgeon's skill is, I think they said, either like their virtue or their flaw, you know, which is not fair for women. But especially like being

public facing, which you are and I am, you know, it's tricky because you see yourself and you want to look and feel your best, but then if you do, it's just like there's no winning. Yeah, you're right. And that's why I think everyone just needs to do what feels best for them and kind of like close out the noise. People are always going to have an opinion, especially if you put yourself out in the public. Like you can, whatever you do, someone's going to fault you for it, you know, good or bad. So I think that we just need to kind of, it's easier said than done, but like put the blinders on or the ear plugs in and kind of tune those people out. People do have opinions, but they don't have to. Like, did you really need to share this today? Yeah. Okay, I want to go over some trends. How do you

feel about castor oil? I love castor oil. You do. How do you use it? So actually, yeah, putting it on my face. I don't put it on the whole face, although I have before, but I just kind of like put it on this area, I feel like it's helpful. She's pointing around her eyes. Yes, pointing around my eyes. But also, so I had a baby recently, and I got a postpartum hernia, which is like a little, you know, basically your intestines pop out of your belly button, which is really lovely. But I was using castor oil, and that actually helped, putting it in my belly button, actually helped to reduce information and to reduce it, like, quite significantly. Wow. Yeah. So the castor oil and the belly button, you think is legit. I think it's legit. Okay. I haven't, I haven't gotten there quite yet.

You got to try it. I have the castor oil for my brows and my lashes. Oh, yes. I do use it for that also. It helps. Yeah, you have great brows. Thank you. What do you do? I'm Italian, so I was born that way. I love it. They used to be like twice the size and then I just like, you know, threaded them. So now they're here. I love one like, give genetics credit where it's due. Yeah. I feel like not enough people do. Since we are talking about skin and how to really get that glow without doing office treatments, I want to take a second to talk about. one of my favorite at-home treatments that has been so incredibly effective for me when it comes to evening my skin tone, helping to eliminate some fine lines and wrinkles, and just get that plump, glowy skin that we all want. And of course, that is red light. So I am super consistent and dedicated to my at-home red light therapy. I've been using the bond charge face and chest mask for a long time now. And I just want to talk a little bit about how it works. So red light therapy has been reviewed in over 4,000 peer-reviewed studies with over 400 being double-blind placebo

trials. And these studies show amazing health benefits and really no negative side effects. So I love the bond charge mask because not only is it so comfortable, and trust me, I've tried pretty much every mask out there on the market. I also love how it's very customizable. So a lot of masks you turn on and it has a set amount of time and a set intensity and that is it. Bond charge, you can adjust the time, you can adjust the intensity and you can also switch between near infrared and red light or use both simultaneously. Here's why I like that because near infrared helps to get those deeper layers of skin so it helps with things like collagen and elastin production where the red light really targets the surface layer to help with

things like pigmentation, fine lines, things like that. So I love using both, but sometimes I will just go for the near infrared. Sometimes I'll just go for the red. So I absolutely love that. It's super lightweight on the face. It does not get hot. They also removed circadian and sleep disrupting blue and green light, which is huge. It has zero EMF radiation, zero flicker, also huge, and a one-year warranty. So go to bondcharge.com and use the coupon code blonde to save 15% and you can get on your way to getting your best skin ever. That's B-O-N-C-H-A-R-G-E.com and the code is blonde for 15% off. We are talking a lot about how to glow from within in this episode. So I would be remiss if I did not talk about one of my favorite little hacks to get my best skin and it is not

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This is huge, especially in such an unregulated market. So that is first and foremost. So like I said, Hyacera is a once-daily skin supplement. It's clinically proven to reduce fine lines and increase skin smoothness in 90 days. So they did a clinical study on this, and Hyacera led to a 2.9x increase in skin smoothness within 90 days as compared to placebo. This is huge. And then Hyacera subjects also reported an improvement in skin elasticity, glow, and radiance in 90 days. So I have had a lot of listeners message me and say that they've noticed a big improvement in their foreheadlines and their crow.

feet since taking Hyacera. I have to say I think that I have too. Obviously I do a lot of things for my skin, both topically and internally. But when I started using this, I noticed that my skin was retaining a lot more moisture. And that, of course, then helps to retain that plumpness and decrease visibility of those lines. So start Hyacera to support your glow without compromising on clean science. You can get 25% off your first month for a limited time at ritual.com slash blonde. Start ritual or add high as Sarah to your subscription today. That's ritual.com slash blonde for 25% off. I don't know about you, but when I am not properly hydrated, the first place that I see it is in my face. I can always tell because my skin gets kind of sallow. I feel like

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well. Okay, face tape. We talked about that a little bit. Are you doing the natural face bible? No. Oh, which one are you doing? I don't know. I mean, I just kind of throw it on there, to be honest. But where do you buy it from? Where did I get it from? I couldn't even tell you. I know I have a pink one and I have a brown one. Okay. It's a Japanese tape. That's all I know. I don't know what the name of it is. It's one like harder and one is softer. They're both pretty soft. Okay. Yeah. And I'm on the beginner one. Okay. Maybe from Catherine Romaine. Yes. That's, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, yes, exactly. Yeah. Okay. And you said that you do your forehead and your eyes? I basically just do my eyes. Okay. And are you doing, how's, what's your application? So I put one here, like this, try to get this. I basically smile. And then I put it like over where, and then I put

one here as well. So she's doing like one under the eye and one kind of over the brow area. Yeah. For that. Yeah. Yeah. It kind of opens up that. Yeah. But Catherine Romaine is great. And she has like all these. So I did get her course and she has like applications for like lymph drainage and all stuff. But I don't know. It was just too much. I know. I couldn't. You can get really, really in depth with it. Did you know Donna Omari? Noyes skincare. She was like a skincare angel. She passed away like maybe a year ago. But she came on my podcast years ago, maybe 20, 21 or 22. And that was when I was like doing Botox fillers, whatever. And she sent me a reflexology tool and a washa and face tape after that. And I was like, thanks, but I don't need to tape my face. And now I go back and I look at her videos. And I'm like, God, she really knew. She had this quote that was like, there's no tool that can, now I don't remember exactly what it was. But like, nothing can surpass like the power of your hands. Yeah. So I think I've heard that. I've heard that quote. So I do think also face massage is amazing. And you can see the difference. It's crazy. It's crazy. I remember this is during COVID times. I committed.

to doing 30 days of like face massage for, I think it was like maybe 20 minutes a day, which is a lot. But I thought I looked good before, but when I saw the after, I was like, wow, like, this is crazy. But it's so hard to do. So honestly, now I just pay someone like once a week to do it. Same. I can't. Cautious spa here in L.A. That's my face massage place. Yeah, it's hard to commit to that time. It's like you would rather just get in, get out, go there for an hour, right? Yeah, exactly. Be lifted for the week. But I see all of these videos going around. I don't know if you We've seen them on Instagram and TikTok of dermatologists and surgeons, and they're rating beauty trends from a zero to 10, right? And so, of course, they're like face tape, you know, one, face massage, negative two.

And it's like, and then sculptor a 10, Botox 10, filler 10. And it's like, okay, I just wonder, you know, it's like these things really do work. There are alternative modalities to lifting and brightening and smoothing the face. And no, it's not going to be the exact same as either a surgery or a neuromodulator or a filler. But don't discount them, you know, because there are so many people who don't want to or can't do those other things for whatever reason. And I just think that it's very dismissive of the whole group of people, whether they're pregnant, they can't afford to, they have autoimmune, whatever their reasons, you know. Yeah. And so it's nice to hear just anecdotally that, like, it does work.

And it does. And it makes sense. like, I don't know, I wake up so fucking puffy, like all these antitamines that I'm on, or if I eat something or if I sleep funny, and it's like you can drain that out of your face. You can, like, shift things. Maybe you can't shift your bones and everything, but you can get a lot of improvements. Same if you got lymphatic drainage or massage every day on your body. Like, it does look different. Exactly. And a lot of surgeons after you do surgery will suggest the lymphatic drainage. But I think, you know. The irony. Right. And they tape. They tape for swelling.

But I think the issue is that they're not taught about these things in school. So they don't really know. And they maybe are not inclined to do it for themselves. And so they don't know. And I think the best thing that we can all do for ourselves is just experiment. You know, experiment for yourself and see for yourself if it works because there's not always a double-blind placebo-controlled study for every single modality or thing on the planet. And if it's cheap, like face massage is free. You just need some time.

where a face tape is a couple bucks, you know. Yeah. You can try it and see for yourself. Yeah. I always say big tape isn't out here supporting the double blinds lepebo trials. Okay, let's see. Guasha. I like it, but I just don't use it to be honest.

That's so funny. I go through phases where I'm so consistent and I'm like, wow, this is amazing. And then life happens. It's hard. I think we're all doing our best, right? Cupping. Do you ever do facial cupping? Or does your massage place to do it?

Yeah, they do. It's a massage place, does it, yeah. What about red light therapy? Yeah, so I don't, like, I haven't gotten into it. I actually got a mask. Actually, I wanted to ask you, because I know you have, I think, would you have the bond charge mask? Yeah. I have quite a few. Okay. So I put it on, I bought one, and I put it on, and I thought I was going to go blind from the red light in my eye. It's like so bright. Yeah, you need to put on the shields. But even I put on the goggle things, and I could still see the red light through these blackout goggles. So I was like, hmm, this is probably not great for my eyes. My eyes are sensitive. I don't know. You also have light eyes. So I don't know. What are your thoughts on that? I have not had that experience. I mean, you can lower the intensity also. I don't know if you tried that. So doing a lower intensity with the shields in. Yeah. That's usually fine for me. I also like to use the loombox. Okay. So Loombox is from Plateful Health on Instagram. Okay. She's amazing. Dr. Vivian Chen. Okay. So, she's an MD doctor and now she's like very into holistic modalities and she actually wrote her thesis years and years ago on botulenum toxin, which was really interesting. But she partnered or she created,

I'm not sure, her affiliation with loombox. So it's red light and near infred light, but it's a box. And it's super powerful. Like I think one of the most powerful in the market. And it's great because you can set it up like, I don't know, a few feet away from you and it can hit like face, neck, chest. Like you can put your hands. It's also great for injury. I've used it on my boyfriend's back when he like pulled his back out. And that comes with goggles and you can do just near infrared so there's no red light. Okay. For those deeper layers or you can do the red light. That one doesn't bother my eyes ever. Okay. I'll have to try that. So that's a really good one. And it's good if you want to use it for other things. Like I know people use it on their head. They'll use it on their neck for neck pain. Like use it on

your, you know, wherever. It's kind of easier than a mask because it's just a box. Right. I'll have try that. The science behind red light is, you know, pretty convincing. Yeah. So definitely. But it's another thing that you have to be consistent with. I had Dr. Dennis Gross on the podcast and he was like, it's an ingredient, you know, it's, think of it as an ingredient. It's like your skin will need that ingredient multiple times a week for X amount of time. So it's another thing to add to the do list. Yeah, I mean, I feel like I've gotten it down where like when I do all of these things, I can do it in like 20 minutes. It's like I can do a five-minute guasha, a couple minutes cupping, a couple-minute massage, skin care, you know, or red light skin care. But it's hard.

It's like the most effective thing is going to be the thing that you can do consistently, I think, when it comes to any of these. What do you think about overnight collagen masks? You know, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. I mean, I see people posting them on Instagram and their skin looks great, but I don't know. I haven't tried it personally and I haven't, you know, necessarily like, look. into the research behind it, so I'm not sure. Is that something you use? I tried one of the viral ones, and I didn't, it wasn't like, not what it was cracked up to be. And now all of these brands are stealing my content to sell their collagen masks. I'm like, if you have to be doing that,

then you can't be that good. Oh my God. So, yeah, but people love them. I mean, I know even like aestheticians and people in skincare who love them. So, but I don't know. I was gravitate towards internal things. Like I think bone broth and collagen-rich foods, like, you know, whenever you have fish, eat the skin, that's where marine collagen is coming from. I think that is really helpful to get it from the inside. Also, vitamin C-rich foods, help your body. Any other, like, weird things, not that fish skin is weird, but that people wouldn't think of, like sardines. I know sardines are really good for you. Sardines are great. So also meat stock is something that I've got into. Like, everybody knows about bone broth, but meat stock is.

similar, but instead of using just bones, you're using bones that have meat attached to them, and it actually makes a ton of collagen, and it's very, very healing for the gut. So if you have any leaky gut, it's amazing for that. It's amazing for your skin. And you can't really buy it anywhere. You do have to make it. But it's actually very easy. Like you literally just put the bones in the pot, add some water. You can add some herbs or spices and you boil it, you know, so it's not hard. But it's again, it's a long, you know, it's another thing to put on your to-do list. Yeah. Well, all of these things are self-care, right? So it's like you can decide how far you want to go and what you want to incorporate. Are there any, like, what would be the three non-negotiables that you would say, just to close it out, if you can only pick three things. Yes. Okay. A nutrient-dense, low-glycemic, anti-inflammatory diet, number one. I love it. You're cramming a lot into that one.

Your well-balanced diet. Okay. Number two, I would say daily probiotic. And number three would be some modality that you can use to reduce your stress, whatever that is for you. Amazing. Well, tell everybody where they can find more information on you and follow you and all the things. So my website is Mariamarlo.com and Marlo is spelled M-A-R-L-O-W-E. I'm also on Instagram with that. TikTok and YouTube is Glow by Marlowe. Amazing.

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