Well with Arielle Lorre - 413: Unfiltered Beauty Talk with Byrdie’s Hallie Gould: Skincare, Surgery & Industry Secrets

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

Hallie Gould is GM and editor-in-chief of the online beauty publication Byrdie. She joins the show for a fun and candid deep dive into the beauty and wellness world from both sides of the industry. We get into skincare routines and Hallie’s specific go-to products, how aging, hormones, and breakouts change the way we approach maintenance, and the instant-gratification treatments she actually thinks are worth it. Hallie pulls back the curtain on what really happens behind the scenes at media outlets—how editors vet products they recommend, what celebrity disclosures about surgery mean for readers, and which trends are here to stay. We also talk hair hacks, the crossover of beauty and wellness, and embracing our 40s with confidence—complete with Eva Longoria and Salma Hayek aging-goals inspo. Plus, Hallie shares her experience with treatments like Softwave and PRF, and walks us through her makeup routine for that effortless dewy glow.This episode is brought to you by YNAB, Open Phone, Field of Greens, Our Place, Ritual, Jolie, and Momentous.Visit www.ynab.com/well to claim an exclusive three-month free trial, with no credit card required.Visit quo.com/BLONDE for 20% off 6 months. Get 20% off when you use promo code WELL at fieldofgreens.com. Go to fromourplace.com/BLONDE and use code BLONDE for 10% off sitewide.Visit ritual.com/BLONDE for 25% off your first month. Go to jolieskinco.com/WELL for free shipping.Use promo code blonde for 35% off your first subscription order at livemomentous.com. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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to your girlfriends talk about all of the things that we talk about behind closed doors. And today's episode is that. It's kind of the ultimate. I have to say. So I'm talking to Hallie Gould. She has worked in beauty editorial for 13 years. She is currently the editor-in-chief and GM at Bertie. And she has written hundreds of stories on skincare, wellness, including things like mental health, body image, makeup, hair. She's also a regular on set. So she's really dialed into the makeup and hair worlds, as well as interviewing celebrities, models, and other notable people in the beauty space, which we talk about today before Bertie. She was at Marie Claire and she is just the ultimate girl's girl. We had never

met before we did this episode and we had instant rapport. I kind of feel like she is my beauty soulmate a little bit. Hallie, if you're listening. I feel like you're my beauty soulmate. We cover so much ground in this episode from our own skincare routines and specific favorite products we both struggled with acne and overcame that in our mid to later 30s. So we talk a lot about that and the kind of interconnectedness with things like hormones and aging and our skin changing. We talk about celebrity disclosures around surgery. We talk beauty trends. We talk our favorite makeup and hair hacks. She has some celebrity stories. We talk about things like softwave. I also was really interested in hearing how they vet the products that they talk about at Bertie. I think there's a

misconception that just everything is pay for play. And she dispelled that myth in this episode. So really fascinating. I also share some personal information that I was going to cut from this episode, but I decided to keep it in. So I'm excited about that. And I know you guys are going to love this conversation. So please enjoy Hallie Gould. Also, go follow Bertie. They have a have the best beauty articles, tips, tricks, hacks, honest conversations. It's a really amazing, inclusive community. So make sure you are checking that out and following them as well. Enjoy the episode. I want to delve into this a little bit later into the podcast, but I have to ask you because you're sitting like four feet away from me and your skin is amazing.

Oh my God. I have to know everybody's skincare routine. Totally. I'm the same way and also your skin is amazing. It was the first thing I thought. My skin, honestly has been such a journey. Like, I always had completely, like, non-reactive, easy to deal with skin. And I would get compliments on it. And it honestly was just, like, undeserved because I really did not much to get it that way. And then I think it's with age or something. Like, over the past year, my skin completely changed. Like, it got very sensitive, very, very, reactive, very prone to inflammation, and I started getting a ton of breakout. So my skincare had to completely change. And even now, like, I don't know if you can see on the camera because I'm

wearing makeup, but like I had like three massive like underground cystic sort of like hormonal breakouts that I was dealing with up until literally like today. So I really appreciate you saying that. So my go to now that I am more breakout prone is I use a lot of Sophie. have it face. She has really, really helped me through this transitional period of like figuring out what to do now. So she has a really great gel cleanser. She has a really great mandelic acid serum that I love. It's really, really not, it's not harsh. She calls it like low and slow, which I really like. You can use it every day. And it just exfoliates in a really nice way to keep your skin clean and clear, but it also has hydrating ingredients too because my skin can be so sensitive.

I'll use a Dr. Loretta serum. I think it's called like intense replenishing. It's really, really beautiful formula. Hydrating has like a really, really nice dewy texture. So I like to put it on before makeup too. And then every once in a while I'll do like a mask either glycolic or salicylic acid or if things are like really bad, I'll do benzoyal peroxide. But that's something that like my skin will be so red afterwards. So I have to really, really do that only when things are pretty.

dire and then like a really thick sort of like cushiony comfortable moisturizer. It's a hard balance because it's like all of a sudden I am sort of like dealing with breakouts but also my skin is sensitive so that when I use a lot of products that are targeted towards those with oily or acne prone skin they make me very inflamed or red or I had like pari-oral oral dermatitis because I tried using retinol too much. Like it was really like crazy. But yeah, now I feel like I'm in a better place and it's really just changing things up to work for my skin now. I really do honestly probably have to like get some things figured out. It does feel hormonal.

It does feel age related. Like it was such a quick shift. So I still kind of have to figure out like what's really the cause of the change. But I think now I've finally gotten to a place where I have a skincare routine that works for me. And I really owe that a lot to Sophie. have it. I like SK2. They have really nice sheet masks that I'll use when I want my skin to look good. But yeah, that's sort of like the gist of the everyday stuff. That same thing happened to me a few years ago, which is what got me very obsessed with skincare. Because I always kind of had like

good skin. Like I didn't really struggle with breakouts or anything. And I don't even remember what products I used like some zoe, like obagi skinciticals, you know, like the regular like medical grade skincare. And then 2022. So I was 37. It was when I turned 36 at this happen. I don't want to. I feel rude asking people how old they are, but I was like wondering. I'm 36 now. Okay. So maybe it was like in the middle of my 35th year or something. Yeah. And it was such an unbelievable change. Like I was like, all of a sudden I don't know what's going on. It's exactly what happened to me. And I had horrible cystic acne all over. like my lower face, my neck, behind my ears, everything that I did and I was doing everything

right, you know? And every day I was like, okay, I did everything perfectly yesterday. I did this and that and whatever products at night. I'm going to have no pimples when I wake up. And then you wake up and you touch your face and I'm like, fuck, you know, I just could not. And I was like, is it the gut health? Is it the hormones? And I didn't change anything in my diet. Like it was just and finally I was like, fuck it. I'm going on spiroinolactone. I was wondering if I should do that too. Yeah. You did it. I did it. Okay. And I did it. And at the same time, I went to my facelist, Candice Marino, LA facelist. Love her. And my skin was, it was weird. It was clogged, but it was dry and it was sensitive. And so I was getting like backed into a corner where I was scared to use like anything. Oh my God. It literally feels like you're saying my exact story. Yeah. I know. As you were speaking, I was like, I can relate. I've been there.

So I was scared to use a bunch of actives and everything that she gave me. But she put me on a routine and I started the Spiro at the same time. So people are like, well, how long did it take to work like with the medication? I'm like, I don't know. They both worked in conjunction, I think. And within like three weeks, my skin was improving a lot. I would say around like six weeks. It was completely clear.

Wow. And the Spiro, I went off maybe like a year later. Okay. So I was scared to go off. And it didn't feel like things kind of. like erupted again after you no no okay because that's also what I was wondering like I was like do stay on forever like what do you do and you didn't find that there was anything else sort of like internal going on I mean I think around the time that it happened I was going through separation

so I had a lot of stress on top of like regular life stress yeah I had gotten COVID a couple times I had some like gut stuff go on after that so like there were things I think kind of brewing where it felt like things just changed a lot. But it wasn't something where I had to like go in and do like a GI map and like test my gut and do like a total talks panel and test my hormones and do a Dutch test. Like I didn't do any of that. Okay. I'm really relieved to hear that because I've been putting off being like, should I be dealing with this in some other way? Yeah. So funny that at least for me, it's like the thing that really makes me like deal with something is I'm like, okay, now it's affecting how I look. Like excuse me. Same way. I mean, it's like my body can be

screaming at me and I'll just like ignore it. And then it's like if it shows up on my face, like I totally relate to that. Yeah. Maybe now I'm going to go in school. I've been thinking about it. Yeah. Because it's definitely much more in check for me now. But I'm still getting breakouts way more than I ever did. And even like I'm the type of person where it's like I'll not touch, I'll not touch, I'll not touch. And then like catch me in the wrong moment. And I'm like in the bathroom for an hour like making my face. So it's really like I need it. away. Or like you get to the hotel room with the magnifying mirror and it's like, forget it. It's like, what are those things actually for? Yeah, I know. It's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I have so many people on my

podcast, obviously, who are from all different camps. So there are the very holistic people who are like, you know, Spiro, any of those medications are band-aids. And, you know, if you blame it on hormones, like what's affecting the hormones? It goes back to diet. And it's just like, I understand that. And I think there's a time and a place for everything, including the Band-Aid, if that's what it is. Yeah. And I feel like for me, it kind of put out whatever fire was happening that was causing the skin to erupt that way to begin with. And it's like, yeah, I went on the right skincare. My personal life, you know, got better and then it got worse.

But like circumstances changed. So it's like very hard to know what was the cause and what was the cure. But it did set me down this path, you know, of like skincare. Yeah. I mean, it truly is like my most obsessive category of life. What are the products that you're using now that you love? So I did Jan Marini for a long time and I'm very compliant. Like if somebody tells me to do something and how to do it, I'm going to do it. Yeah. I don't want to think about it. And I get sent everything as I'm sure you get tenfold. And I would experiment here and there, but I would always come back to those products. The problem was, and I still love them. I travel nonstop. I'm I'm like, I'm not packing an 11-step routine. And I actually, after my whole experience with Botox, having to stop that two years ago,

like that also kind of changed my trajectory. And I'll probably bleep this out. But I actually started working on my own product. Wait, that's so exciting. Yeah. I have a, and then I have a formulator who's the expert. I'm like, I'm not the expert. I just have, like, access to people.

Really exciting. And a filter, because I've tried so much. I've had all the experts on my show for the last over six years. know I've been like very immersed in the world and I was just like I just wanted to make something that I wanted to use and that I would reach for over anything and that was like simple and more accessible. I mean dermatologists have like done my skincare routine and added everything up and tallied it and they're like one thousand dollar nighttime routine and like not everyone can do that yeah and everyone messages me like day and day out and they're like what is like the one or two products

that you would pick and I'm like that's like choosing one or two ingredients out of a cake recipe like you can't so I'm like there's got to be a better way so my god congratulations that's so great and honestly I think like because you've dealt with skin issues it only makes you like a more compelling founder yeah because I think a lot of times what makes people be like eye-rolly about things is when they're like yes you have perfect skin and yes I want to replicate your skin but like you've never not had perfect skin so like why do I believe you yeah so I feel like that's really exciting yeah I mean it's an interesting time obviously in beauty. It's so heavily saturated. I think there's a lot of product for the sake of

product. Yeah. So I really thought long and hard about it, like years and years. And we've been working on this and like iterations and finally like 85% there, I think. But yeah, I'm excited about it. So that's what I'm doing. So I do Janmarini glycolic cleanser and then I do vitamin C and then I do my product and then I do trans-retinol benzoporoxide at night. And then during the day, I just do moisturiser and sunscreen. So it's like simplified everything. That sounds perfect. That's so nice. Well, your skin looks beautiful. Thank you. I saw an article of yours from a while ago where you were basically revealing everything that you had had done. And I love this conversation because I think that we're in this era now where people are being more open. We've seen some celebrities, excuse me, self-disclosed.

And I wonder if that's like just a trend of the moment or if that's the direction that we're headed in. What is your opinion on that? I think it is the direction we're headed in. I mean, I think that it's important. And I think I listened to the episode that you did with Amanda Hirsch. And I really, really liked the conversation that you guys had about it because I do think it's like, yes, it is not a celebrity's responsibility to tell us everything they've had done. But I do think there's a. responsibility when you're a public person to not lie to people. So I think my judgment on that

is sort of neither here nor there. But I do think for the people that want to be open and want to sort of like let you in on their secrets, I do think that that is something that is so widely like applauded. And I don't even, I do think there's an element of like, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. Because people will be like, what do you mean you had all this done? Or they'll be like, why are you not telling us everything you've had done? But I also think that it's only helpful to let people in on the things that you're loving or the things that you're doing. If you are somebody who is talking a lot about beauty or skincare or aesthetics, stigma-wise, I think that's important. But also because I like knowing things that work and I like talking to like-minded

people about the things that they're doing and should I try the conversation we just had. You know, I think like there's so much community in shared experiences. And I think with how much people are connected through social media and the internet and communities in person, but also sort of like communities worldwide, there is this really beautiful element of being able to connect with someone either about the way they were feeling and insecurity or the way that they were able to help that. issue or that concern. And I think that there, yeah, I think it's, it's difficult to say like, should you or should you not say like, whatever. But I think it's obvious when you're not.

I also really, really liked the conversation that you brought up about Lindsay Lohan and how amazing her work looks. But had it gone in a different direction, she would be like. It would be a completely different conversation and narrative around her. Yeah. And And so I think it's really difficult because people love to build you up and they love to break you down on the internet if you are a public person. But I think me in particular, I like to talk about it. I like to say what I've had done. I like to hear about what other people have had done. I think it offers like a really more accessible view on things that used to feel very confusing and secretive.

and it really sort of like breaks open this more difficult to understand part of the industry. Because not everyone is having publicists or plastic surgeons or dermatologists email them every day, telling them about the newest stuff. It is really up to the people who get those emails to talk about it, whether they do it or not. But for us at Bertie, we have always been a non-gatekeeping experience. If we do it, we'll talk about it. Mostly because when something is good, it's exciting to talk about, you know? Yeah.

So, yeah, I think there are people that feel differently, and I think it will continue to be something that people argue about. But I've found, at least for the Bertie reader, the ones that are sort of like in our comments, they really, really love to know. And it does help you sort of like curate what's worth doing, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

When I read that article of yours, I was like, do I need some? softwave. I feel like it was the first, like, honest review that I had read about it because I'll see people, I'll see videos about it and either people say they had an amazing experience or they had a horrible experience. So I appreciated reading about yours and just like everything like, I mean, you detailed, okay, I do Botox every three to four months. I do, you did softwave. You did. I can't remember the other things. Yeah, there's. Breast reduction. I mean, you're very honest. And I love that. Like, I'm a total girl's girl and I agree with you. Like, I'm the. I'm the. same. I like to open up the conversation. I think it's fun. It's like a way to connect with other

women and to be a resource. And I agree, like there will always be the pushback as well because there's people who just like to be the, you know, like morality police or virtue police or whatever. Totally. Online. Totally. Because I think, yeah, there's people who are still going to be like, you're lying. Or there are even on the opposite side, people that are going to be like, we shouldn't be normalizing this. But I think. for as long as people are getting cosmetic treatments and as long as people want to look and feel their best, then the best way to work with that is to talk about it. You know, we're not going to

change the world, but I think feeling comfortable in your confidence as well as your insecurities is important. Yeah. I feel like you just have to learn how to tune out the negativity, which is easier said than done. Totally. But I feel like you've really built Bertie kind of around that, like, inclusive vibe, you know. And in today's beauty and wellness space and just publicity space, like I feel like you have to stand out in that way, especially if you're going to retain your audience. So what's your strategy now in the ever-changing landscape of media? Yeah, media.

Yeah. That's the word I'm looking for. Yeah. Because it is so different now than it used to be. And it's also going to continue to change. I think the way I like to think about it is that, like, people will want answers to their questions and they'll want to engage with community and they'll want to experiment or find joy or confidence or, you know, which skincare product to use, whatever.

Just the way that they're consuming it is different. So it's just really about finding where our audience is and sort of servicing them there. So not everyone is going to come to the website every single day, but they are going to be scrolling in their feed. So, okay, if you're finding us on social, like, how are we changing our content to feel more native to scrolling or flipping or whatever? I think what is important to us is engaging with our community as real people. I think one of the biggest things that's so different about the media landscape now is that it really used to be like so top down. Like it was like faceless brands and faceless editors would decide what the important

trends were or the things that were happening or the things to know about. and everyone would just say, this is what's in, and that was sort of it. And now access has been so democratized in this really beautiful way, and that there are so many more niche communities. There's so much more space for people to be talking to people. It's why creators have become so relevant and important in this business is because you're not just following a brand because they give you skincare advice or they tell you what fall trends to buy.

It's like you're following a person and everything about them. So it's like their visual aesthetic and identity, the concerts they go to, the food they eat, the way their home looks, like, and also their skincare and their hair and all of that stuff. So I think for us, it's really important to put the faces of our content front and center because you're really following the people if you're following our brand. Like, you can take advice from this person because they have the same hair texture as you, or you can take advice from this person because they're struggling with the same skin stuff. And we really try to be a kind of like, everyone's going to go through their for you page

and be served all of this stuff. And we want to be the place where you go when you're like, I just want to see the stuff I like. I don't want to be flipping through things that are confusing to me or that I'm not interested in. I just want to go somewhere where I know that they're going to give me the things that I care about, the vibes that I like, and the people that I think are cool. And that's really sort of the direction that we're making sure that Bertie feels is that like, we're in the comments, like we're in the group chat. Like we're real people that have access to a lot of this information and can distill it down in a way.

that feels understandable. Yeah, because I feel like now everybody is kind of their own mini magazine. Exactly. Even more so, like I remember in the early days of Instagram, right? It was like a mini magazine because it was photos only and it was kind of curating everything. Like that was part of your life. But now everybody is like their own little media outlet. But that's why I think something like Bertie is so amazing because you guys really do vet

and curate what makes the cut there. so that, you know, the users have the best experience and the best access. But how do you ultimately vet what makes it into your world? We have such, honestly, like such a cutthroat testing experience when it comes to what we'll recommend for products. We do at-home testing. We do testing in the office. We test across different people with different needs, different hair textures or skin textures, tones, whatever, to make sure that we're really only recommending things that not only are effective, but also work like across the board for many people. And that being said, like, not everything is going to work for everyone. We really want to account for the fact that, like, if you have

oily skin, this product is good for you. If you have dry skin, it's not or, you know, vice versa. But it's really important to us to be honest and like to be real about our experience. with products or like various, you know, treatments or whatever. Because otherwise, what else are we doing? You know, I think a lot of why the younger generation sometimes are wary of sort of like legacy media brands is because they do worry that it's all advertisers or that it's all sponsored or fake or that people aren't really trying them. And so we really, really try and go the extra.

extra mile to make sure that everything that we talk about has been tested by more than one person on our team. And we take a lot of very specific pictures and videos and really, really try to sort of like demonstrate how much were. And even like over time, like I think especially with skincare, it's like you can't try something once and be like, this doesn't work. So like really testing things for the amount of time that the product says for weeks or months or whatever. because there are things that I've tried. And I was like, I'm very like, I like instant gratification. I like texture.

So it's like if the experience of putting it on doesn't feel good and I don't sort of like immediately see something. I'm like, I don't like this. But really, there are things that I've come back to after many people have been like, you should really use this. Like it's really good. And then been like, oh, okay. It was like the first experience.

I just didn't really give it a chance. And then over time it becomes one of your favorite products. So I think the time aspect is really important too. But yeah, it's like testing for us is so huge because I just feel like we really want to make sure that everything is effective. Anything that we're recommending has an aspect of accessibility. So even if it's expensive, does it have enough shades for our entire team? Does it offer benefits for various hair textures or skin types? Is there anyone who shouldn't use it?

We want to make sure to say that too because I think that's also important. is like, again, not everything is for everyone. And it's helpful to be like, this is amazing for me. But these are the people that it wouldn't work on or people, you know, that it's not right for. I think that's also people respect kind of like that information too. So it's a lengthy process. Yeah, is what I'm getting. But you touched on something with skincare that has been like so top of mind for me because I feel like I'm an instant gratification person as well. So in this. this process that I've been going through, I'm like, I am the same way. I will use a skincare product once. And if I don't like the immediate experience and the immediate effect, like I'm not going to

use it again. Whereas with something like a self-tanner or a makeup or a million other products that you could do, like there is instant gratification. So that's good to know that that's something that. I have come back to something. Yeah. What's an example if you can think of one? I know that's such a good question. Oh, literally, Sophie Pavett's men. Andelic acid serum that I use every day, twice a day and, like, can't live without it and, like, have actual anxiety when I don't have it with me. The first time I tried it, I was like, oh, I don't really like watery serum. Like, I'm such a texture person. And then I stopped using it. And then now it's become, like, the most important thing to me. Yeah. And it really is sometimes just about,

like giving it a chance. But I think it's hard. And like you said, like the industry is so saturated that sometimes it's like, well, I don't have time to give this a chance. I have 27 other things I could use. I can't even imagine your beauty closet. Oh my God. I really try. How big is it? Like, so give us dimensions. In the office, we have a shared closet with a couple other brand. I think it's in style and then maybe one other brand I'm forgetting. I honestly never go to it. But it's huge. It's like a real, it's like the size of this room. Oh, wow. Just like lined and lined with products. For myself personally, I really pair it back. Like I've become so unsentimental about just like getting rid of things because I just can't.

Like it's too much, you know? And I just think if I'm not using it, I need it gone. Yeah. I'm the same way. I've taken myself off every PR list. I'm like stop sending things here. Like also it's such a waste. I mean, I hate to say it. I'm like, come on.

It's honestly why skincare, like it's why it's nice to have a closet because then it's like other people can take it. Yeah. Other people can try it. It's why it's nice that we have a big team because someone will want it. But yeah, it's tough. And especially when your skin is acting up or all of a sudden becoming problematic, then you're like, well, I'm scared to use anything. And I don't want to incorporate anything that could make it go haywire.

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And that will eventually fall off. Something that I think has like real legs, I think we're just seeing the beginning of it. Obviously, it's not new. But I think nostalgia will continue to be so huge. I think it makes people feel good. It makes people feel excited. For those who weren't around the first time, it feels brand new. For those who were, it feels very sort of warm and fuzzy. But I think 90s thin eyebrows, a little bit of like those matte supermodel textures. I think like sort of the mix of matte and glossy is something that will continue to see for forever, like a matte eye, a really glossy lip, or vice versa. I think like, you know, Gabriette, thin brows, Jenna Ortega, like bleached brows. Like I think a moodier,

kind of more like party girl makeup experience, night out. Yeah, like 90s supermodel party girl vibe, I think is a trend that I'm really, really excited about and I think really has legs. Similarly with nostalgia, like I think like boho being back, like 70s laid back, like less party girl, sort of more natural. Like I think that really has a place too. And then honestly, I really think the crossover of beauty and wellness is just getting started. This like really, really, really, like science driven stuff like NAD and PDRN and XOZ and exosomes and all of this stuff that's like really, I keep wanting to say precise, but like

things that will make a big difference in like a very specific way, people like, like we were talking about before, like kind of like internal stuff affecting your outer stuff. Like I think we're only just at the precipice of this really, really starting to affect our lives in a big way. And I think all of this stuff right now is so new and kind of confusing to some people or hard to access, but I think over time will continue to be like even like in the homes of like more and more people and kind of just part of like our daily like supplement routine or whatever. I do have to say I work with them. So full disclosure, but the ritual, have you tried the highest era? I love ritual. I do too. I love cat and everything that they stand for and their highest

Sarah, the skin supplement. Wait, I don't even know if I know about this. I just take like the multivitamin. Oh, no. So they have highest sarah. It. has what are the two ingredients so one is like a hyluronic acid ingestible another is i want to say like a fatty acid but you know they always do clinical studies they did double blind randomized controlled like gold standard and it was something like 90% of their people in the study saw a reduction in fine lines and wrinkles wow and i've been using it and i feel like my skin retains moisture like i'm 40 now shit's drying up. Like it's not, it's so, your skin is amazing.

Thank you. But I feel like it's really helped with that. And it's a once a day thing. And I was skeptical. Like I am a skeptic, especially when it comes to supplements. I think supplements are really hard. It's really hard.

Yeah. I think it's really hard because it's like when you talk to the founder or you look at the studies or whatever, it's like everyone always says this is such a great thing. Yeah. But it's really hard to be able to tell. And then I feel like it's like, oh, this is the best thing. And then a year later, they're like, no, that was terrible.

Yeah. And so it's just like, it's really hard for me to know. But ritual actually has been a supplement that I have taken consistently for years and years and years. And that it started with, yeah, I just had a friend who worked there. And I've only had such great experiences taking that. Again, it's hard to tell. It's like, is it how I know? Yeah.

Yeah. But I really like it. And yeah, Omi is also a really good supplement for hair. I'm very, very into. I, again, it's. kind of like with age and whatever. It's like my hair's changing texture a little bit. There's some more grays, especially if I like, this is the worst thing I could do is wear my hair like this. It looks so good though. Thank you. Well, because now, like you're giving me Carolyn.

Thank you. Oh my God. That's so nice. But yeah, I feel like it's like now I actually like will take the lift that wearing it like this gives my face. So I've started to take Omi because I just have like thinning and weirdness and breakage. And I've seen a real. difference. So like those are the two that I've really stuck with. But the rest, yeah, it confuses me. You know who has a great serum? Plated. Their hair serum. Plated. Plated is exosomes. Okay. Plated skincare. So they have a lot of facial products, obviously. But Candice, again, I'm just like, I'll do anything he said. I really love her. I got a facial from her before. Oh, yeah. She's great. She gave me their hair serum. So I have like the Environ Gold at home Micron

needler. So I'm just like microneedling around my hairline. And then I do the serum. And then I leave it for like an hour and then shower. And I feel like I have like baby hairs coming in for sure. Oh my God. That's so crazy. Yeah. But I have to try Omi. Because I have that Environ. I love that thing. Yeah. Environment's another really amazing brand that I think has so many. I just feel like if so many of my favorite estheticians have it, then I'm like, this is good. Yeah. I know. I got. got a lot of pushback when I posted that and people were like, you should never use a roller. And I'm like, it was invented by the guy who invented literal microneedling. Like the micro, it was all people who do microneedling.

Make sure you clean it. Yeah. And you're not like pulling your skin and dragging it down. Like you just, you have to be careful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But yeah. So longevity, I think is like, oh yeah. That's is the thing. Petitize. I just think it's going to become so much more accessible and all of us are just going to be able to like. so specifically pick and choose like the things we need. And it's like scary, but I actually think this feels like kind of like an exciting beginning of a lot of aging and longevity issues like really being figured out in a lot of ways.

I always say like the younger generation, they're not going to, I know, they're so lucky. They're not in tanning beds every day. Oh my. The way I had an unlimited month. tanning. Where are you from? Rhode Island. Okay. Where are you from? From Long Island. Okay. So it was like, tanning was like our religion.

Same. Yeah. We would go sometimes twice a day. Miles heard me talking about this yesterday. We would go back to back. So like two sessions in a row and then go to the beach. I feel like that's like illegal. Yeah. I think probably was not allowed, but we would do it. And like nothing on the face. No, like that creepy lotion. The burning skin lotion. Oh my God.

You would come out like purple. Oh my God. It was really scary. Did you ever, you did the tingle, right? Yes. It would like burn your. It's terrifying. I actually would love to look back and like figure out what that was.

Yeah. Like it was just that it was irritating you so it made you look darker? I don't know. It was bizarre. I don't know. But I was all about it. I would come out like streaky. Like it would be like the red streaks.

And actually two years ago I had this random rash called pittiriasis rosia. nobody knows what that is but it like it happens only on your waist up to your neck usually so like on your torso essentially and there's like nothing you can do for it so i went on reddit because i was miserable so itchy i was taking like head and shoulders baths like trying to dry it out awful and people were like the only thing that works is a tanning bed and i was like not doing it same with psoriasis too some people say yeah so i was like fuck it after like two or three months i was like this is miserable. Yeah. And I finally went. Yeah, I went. I was like fully covered except I couldn't believe that people, there were still people there. I'm like, what are you doing?

I would go for like two minutes. So it wasn't like I was in there with the lotion for 12 minutes or whatever. They're still really around. Crazy. It's wild. Yeah. But yeah, the younger generation, as we were saying, like they have everything at their disposal and they're not going to age, really. I know. Like they're going to look 30 when they're 60. I know. Like what's going to happen? But two, it's like, there is part of me that's like, okay, I think I was lucky to not have like a phone and social media until I was older. It's a good tradeoff. That feels a little nutty. Like so much about like or even just like dealing with the pandemic as a kid, I feel like was really limiting and sad. So yeah, it's a tradeoff. But for sure they're going to be living forever. Yeah. But you look like you're in your 20s. So I feel like if you're like in. your 30s, even 40s, and you have all of the stuff at your disposal, pick and choose, whatever you feel comfortable doing. Like, it's completely different.

It's like that cliche golden girls thing, you know, where they're like golden girls were like 45. Yeah. It's actually shocked. I know. It's crazy. And now it's like J-Lo's 55 or whatever she is. I feel like I've been sold a lie because it just, they used to act like 40 was old.

Yeah. And now it's like, okay, every single person I know that's in their 40s look. the same as they did 10 years ago. Yeah. And also still has like the same life too. It's not like you're like in a retirement home. Yeah. Like it's crazy.

I know. I know. And it's like everyone has different circumstances. I've been like very vocal about my 40th birthday. When is your? Oh wait. I turned 40 like two weeks ago. Okay.

Happy birthday. Thank you. But I was like this is the best time in my life. Yeah, I've been through some shit, you know. But at 40, it's like, I feel like I'm in my 20s, but with money and purpose and autonomy and like wisdom and just like a better grasp on life. Totally. And like health. So that's always a good thing.

Like it's a privilege. Yeah. My 20s were not the best years of my life. Like it's like, God no. I look back on them fondly, of course. And I'm like glad I did that. Yeah. But like, yeah, life is better now.

Like you said, like it was just like, I was so broke. I didn't know what was going on. You like couldn't relax because you're like, I have to make my life happen right now. Yeah. And it was crazy. And now you can be like, okay, I'm like a person that I recognize and I like know what I want and like. And I can like have that be part of my life. Yeah. I think 30s are like the absolute best, but everyone says 40s are. I've heard 40s are better. Or even we didn't interview with Eva Longoria. She was on the cover of one of our issues. Speaking of, she had just turned 50 when we shot her. She is the hottest woman alive. Really? It was unbelievable. She looked exactly like how she looked in Desperate Housewives, maybe better. Oh, my God. She's gorgeous.

Like, age doesn't exist. Yeah. It's bizarre. But she was saying, like, 40s are a lot like your 30s, but you have a little bit more time to, like, be present and, like, revel in the happiness that you've set up for yourself. Like 30s she was saying was really the time when you were like hustling career-wise and you couldn't relax as much even though you were like, I feel like I know myself and I feel like I'm becoming the person I want to be. And 40s there was still like career stuff and all that stuff. But she said you were able or she was able at least to be like a little more present in the winds and like relax a little bit more knowing that she had like set herself up to be in this space. And I thought that was like a really nice way to put it.

Yeah. That is like you're still hustling and you're still like working and and making strides in your career. But you're just like able to think about it more in real time. And you have like more of a foundation beneath you. Yeah. I love that. I recently saw Salma Hayek on a flight. And I had to, I did like a triple take. Like I was like there's surely there's no way that this is her. And she was like beyond. I mean, I think there's so many women. there used to not really be women. There were so many men in their 50s and even like 60s where we're like they're so hot, you know, but like women after 40 and this is a whole different conversation. But there weren't really any like examples.

And now it's like so many of the women that I admire for like their beauty and their careers and everything. They're like in their 40s, 50s, like even early 60s, you know, like I feel like we have more people to look to. I'm like, what to say. I mean, yeah, it's like, yes. it's amazing to like look at a beautiful 20 year old. Yeah. But also like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. What did you do to get that? I know. I know. I hate to be that person. But like when I see the skincare routines and like anti-aging routines and it's like 25, even like 30, I'm like, no. No. Talk to me when you're like at least 40. That was another thing that I know. And I feel like ever since I noticed this, I've been getting served all these things that like 36 to 44 like the big. years to like set yourself up from like a skin and health perspective. And I swear the second I

turned 36, besides everything we talked about before with my skin being weird, like laxicity. Oh yeah. And like every I've just all of a sudden been like like the feeling of my skin is different. Yeah. And that's why I was just on the way over here thinking I should have to go back to get softwave. Yeah. Like I need the tightening. I'm nervous because I have like fined skin to begin with. So I'm nervous about laxity. You didn't experience that, obviously. No, it was, honestly, I felt like it was not, I, first of all, I went in not having done my homework enough about it, because I didn't know it was going to be kind of like a wear numbing cream for 45 minutes type of thing. And so I started getting scared. Yeah, it's painful, right? I was like, what is this going to be?

Yeah. And it was totally fine. I'm genuinely a baby. And there were like certain point, like, If they're like here or like on a boat or whatever, it hurts. You're like, oh. But like it's over by the time you register that it hurts. You know what I mean? And they have like one of those things that's like blowing the cold air. Oh, I love those. So it genuinely was totally fine.

I think the issue is that you're supposed to do it like more regularly, which I like have a hard time. Yeah. Yeah. With everything. Same. I like aspire to people who get like monthly facials. And I'm like, I cannot, I haven't gotten a facial in like a year because I can't find the time.

And then all these fun things like lasers and like softwave and whatever. I don't have time for the downtime. Yeah. Because I'm like on camera. Yeah. Always. And I tell my people that work with me, I'm like, keep a week open. Like, please give me 10 days.

Like I want to do something and they'll keep it open. And then it gets filled up somehow. And I'm like, fuck. Yeah. I'm scared of downtime stuff too. I'm just such a whim. Like I'm such a baby. that I always have to make sure whatever I'm doing is like not scary.

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Thank you. So I feel like people don't talk about makeup forever foundation enough. I think they're very like pro-e. Like I think a lot of makeup artists use them. But I don't know that like consumers, I mean, they're well known. But it's like I don't feel like I read about them enough. They have a four. I should look up what it's actually called.

But it's a makeup forever foundation that is like dewy. So it has like a really nice. machine to it. I literally just use one pump, like you don't need a lot. And then I use makeup by Mario concealer. It's my absolute favorite. I've tried literally every other concealer. Even the ones that I feel like people are constantly talking about, that one is my absolute favorite. I have a lot of like under eye darkness and bags and my just all this sort of like fluid under eye stuff constantly. So that really works.

I use my like blush mix, but I feel like I can never stray from is I use a road blush that now I'm like, oh my God, what's the name of it? It's kind of like a peachy color. So I'll look up what that's actually called. And then a makeup by Mario sort of like poppy pink over it. And then I've never been a powder person until, say, long. launched a pressed powder that is like amazing. Really?

Oh, I need that. It is so gorgeous because like I don't like Matt. I don't like anything that feels like cakey or powdery or whatever. This you just use like a big fluffy brush and you just kind of like tap it and then like tap it on your face. And it just is sort of like blurring. Ooh. But it doesn't make anything like gross.

Okay. I'm getting that after. No, it's really. Because you look dewy but not like the oily dewy. Thank you. I've been really obsessed with it. Oh, one other thing that I think is amazing and underrated is Pat McGrath has an under eye blurring powder that's like a pink color, like a light pink. And so you can use it like after foundation to set it or concealer to set it. And it just brightens the under eye a little bit. Like it's sort of this translucent, but like pink tinge. And it's really, really nice for kind of like my eyes just genetically. Like if you look at my whole family, we. all look like we have like sunken in eyes. I would never know. Like literally I would never know. This is news to me. Literally like my nephews have like it's like crazy. I'm like have you gotten any sleep? No, your under eyes look flawless. Thank you. This is crazy. So much. I've also

speaking of things that we want to get done. I'm gearing myself up to try and get PRF. Uh huh. Because I would I don't want to fuck with filler. Yeah. At least not now. But PRF is supposed to be really good for under eyes. Yeah, I think I did it. Did you? I think I did it. Did it hurt? No, it didn't hurt, but I just don't remember if it was like that effective. Yeah. That's the, that's the thing is they're like, we can't promise results. Yeah. Because it is technically like what your body does with it. Yeah. So they're like, you could do this and then have no results. Yeah. Or you could do it and love it. So like, who knows? Yeah. But when it works, supposedly it is sort of like the most natural nice experience. Yeah, I know some people who love it.

My girlfriend did it and she got really nice results. So I think it just depends on the person. It's like with anything. Yeah. Which is hard because you never know. And it's hard to recommend things. Yeah. I know.

Again, I'm such a baby where it's like I've watched so many YouTube videos of people getting it done because I'm like, what is it like? How long is it happening? Yeah. Because like Botox is so easy. It's so shallow. It's over in three seconds that I can like forget happened. But like with PRF or with filler or whatever, they're in.

your face for a longer time. Yeah, because they use a cannula. Yeah, it's too scary. Oh my gosh. Well, I could obviously talk to you about all of this for hours. Maybe we'll have to do a part two. But tell everybody where they can find you. And we're going to link all of the products mentioned so that everybody can find it easily. Okay. Amazing. You can find me at Bertie or birdie.com. And my own personal handle is at Goldhally. It's just my last name than my first name. But yeah, Find us on Instagram at Birdie or TikTok or Pinterest or Bertie.com, all the things. But thank you so much. Thank you.

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