Well with Arielle Lorre - 449: Celebrity Makeup Secrets, Drugstore Finds & the Perfect 5-Minute Face with Kelli Anne Sewell

Episode Date: April 1, 2026

Kelli Anne Sewell is a celebrity makeup artist known for creating effortless, camera-ready glam that enhances your natural features.She joins me to break down how to actually do your makeup so it looks good in real life and on camera. We get into underpainting, the 5-minute face, and how to achieve that dewy, “filtered” skin without looking cakey or overdone.Kelli shares her go-to techniques, drugstore favorites, best under-$30 products, and the biggest mistakes most of us are making—from lip lining to powder to eye makeup. We also talk about the trends she’s over, what’s actually worth it, and how to think about makeup as “you, but hotter.”Plus, we get into celebrity looks (Margot Robbie vs J.Lo), face taping, Botox, lymphatic drainage, and how to make your makeup last all day.We cover:The 5-minute faceUnderpainting + dewy skinDrugstore favorites + best under $30Makeup mistakes that age youLip lining, powder, and eye makeup tipsCelebrity makeup breakdownsHow to make your makeup lastFollow @well.pod for all of the products mentioned in this episode!Visit https://apps.apple.com/us/app/makeup-by-kelli-anne/id6447703340 and use code WELL20 for 20% off your first three months of a membership  This episode is brought to you by:Use code WELL and save 20% on your first order at https://justthrivehealth.com/WELL. Head to paleovalley.com/well or use code well at checkout for 15% off your first purchase. Head to opositiv.com/BLONDE or enter code BLONDE at checkout for 25% off your first purchase.Go to butcherbox.com/well for $20 off plus free shipping.Try LMNT and get a free sample pack when you go to DrinkLMNT.com/WELL.Pick up a bottle of R.W. Knudson at your local grocery store today. This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Well, a podcast about wellness in all its forms. I'm Ariel Laurie, and each week I'm sharing unfiltered conversations with people shaping how we feel, live, and look. Come for the substance, stay for the honesty, and leave with the tools to be well, inside and out. I have such a treat for you today. In fact, when I shared a photo of my guest today and I together when we recorded this,

I don't think I've ever gotten so many DMs from people who were so excited for this crossover. And honestly, this is one that I've been wanting to do for a long time and it delivered. So it is such a fun one. I am sitting down with a celebrity makeup artist Kelly Ann Sewell. She also has the makeup by Kellyanne app, which is amazing. It's how I've actually kind of sort of learned to finally do my own makeup in a different way than I've been doing it since high school. And this is really one of those conversations where you actually walk away feeling like you know exactly what to do differently next time you do your own makeup. But I highly recommend following her on Instagram or TikTok where I originally found her and following her app and downloading her app and all of the things because she is such an amazing educator and just a fun girl's girl. You are going to absolutely love her. And today we get into everything from underpainting, which I feel like everyone is talking about right now. But nobody is really explaining. properly to how to actually do a five-minute face that looks polished and elevated. She shares so many

specific product recommendations too, including drugstore favorites and the best makeup investments under $30, which I always appreciate because not everything needs to be expensive to be good. And I will be sharing those products over on the Well Instagram. It's at well.pod. So make sure you check that out in case you are looking for the recommendations that she made in the episode and did not take notes. So we also talk about the trends she's secretly over, what we are getting wrong with lip lining. This was very eye-opening and how to think about your makeup in a way that just makes you look like you, but hotter, which I feel like is the goal. Then we go on to break down how to decide on a look depending on the occasion. She talks a lot about what it's like doing makeup on

celebrities behind the scenes and how she decides what the look is going to be. We get into some myth-busting too, as usual, like whether makeup actually age. is you, the biggest mistakes most of us are making, eye makeup errors, the products that are kind of BS, and also the things that are worth it. And so much more at the end, we get into things like facetaping, Botox, lymphatic drainage, how to actually make your makeup last. It's really packed with so many practical tips, but it's still just such a fun and easy listen. And you are going to walk away from this episode knowing how to do your makeup in a way that you look like yourself, but hotter. So please enjoy Kelly and see well. Welcome. Thank you. I'm so excited.

Me too. I feel like we've been already podcasting for the last 20 minutes. Big yaffers. Can already tell. I'm like, this is going to be easy. I am so excited to have you here. I've been like such a fan girl on TikTok. I think I may have found you actually initially when you were talking about Sephora discontinuing Sinkersuade, which was, oh yes, I remember. You commented. And I was like, excuse me, what's happening? And then I think I made a video because I was dreading that day. No, same. For the longest time. Why do brands do this?

It was the best. I know. The formula. The color. It was the best. And then I got your app and I was like, oh, this girl, like you have such a knack for not only obviously doing makeup, but teaching makeup. Thank you.

And I am like fucking clueless when I got. No, you're not. One look. Yeah, but like I am. I'm like, where do I contour? What's the shadow and what's the highlight? and where do I do? Like, where does the blush go?

And I just don't know. But you have, like, the best content. And I just love your personality. Like, you're such a girl's girl. Thank you. That's so nice. So excited to have you here. But I like to start my episodes just kind of like setting the tone.

So I want to do like a quick this or that. Yes. And then a lightning round. Okay. Okay. Drugstore makeup or high end makeup? Both. Always.

Okay. We're going to get into that one later. Bold lip or smoky eye. I kind of hate a bold lip. Really? But I also kind of hate a smoky eye. Okay. No, I like both in certain settings, but I just don't like when your bold lip runs.

Very stressful. I did a dark, red, bold lip to the golden globes one year. Okay. Gorgeous? Gorgeous for about five minutes. Maintenance. And then the maintenance by the end of the night, because it was on me. Like, I didn't bring a makeup artist with me.

So I was reapplying all night. And it was everywhere. Yeah. It's a commitment when you're doing it for like a red carpet award show kind of thing, party, whatever it is. Very bold. Yeah. Natural glam or full glam.

I'm going to say natural glam. Stick to your roots. Yeah. I mean, you have the best natural glam right now. We're going to go over this look step by step. It's my staple. I need to do it. Mascar or eyeliner.

Maskera. Okay. Well, can I change that? Sorry. Eyeliner. I feel like eyeliner is a little more multi. purpose. Okay. And I don't even, I like no mascara look. So I do too. Scratch that. I never wear mascara. Yeah. I usually tint my lashes like once a month, but I just don't like, I feel like when I have

mascara on, maybe it's the way I'm doing the application. I look too done. I agree with you 100%. I've always said, especially for blondes and if you're fair. Yes. It's because we always have been, like we always thought we needed black mascara. And then you put on black mascara and it looks like I'm wearing makeup. That's what I did today because I didn't bring my brown. Yes. Brown though is the best for. anyone who's fair. And it also is just way more natural, way more soft. Yeah. But I'm a big curlier lashes, walk out the door, no mascara too. Okay. I love that. Yeah. See, the problem is when I do that and then I come record, it's like, it's like no makeup. Like no makeup. Like no, like, what do people say? Like when they look like a, like a rabbit or a mouse or something.

A naked moorat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I think you're looking for naked ball rat. Yeah. That's exact. Thank you. No. But it is just in person. It's beautiful. Yeah. It may not be on camera good. Yeah. It's fresh. Yeah. On camera is a totally different. Totally different. which we'll get to as well. Yep. Okay. Powder foundation or liquid foundation. Liquid.

Cream glow. Skin care first or makeup first skip skincare. Never. Your makeup is only as good as your skin prep. Okay. We're going to get into that as well. We're going to get into all of these. Blush on the apples of the cheeks or blush higher up.

Blush everywhere on your chest, nose, lips, tits. Love it. everywhere. A woman after my own heart. Okay. Contor or highlight? This is rude. Probably highlight. More fresh. Okay. Yeah. Do you have contour right now? On? Yeah. Yeah. Can you tell? No. No. That's what I'm like. Can you tell you tell anything. Yeah. But I underpainted, which I really think is a beautiful technique for like when you want to appear soft, but you still want to feel sculpted. Yeah. Obviously, so many artists in the past have done it. I've learned so much from Scott Barnes, Mary Phillips, all of the grades. but I think it's like a technique that every single person can learn how to do and it changes the way your base looks. Yeah, I have the Mary Phillips underpainting palette. Yeah. I tried doing it this morning.

Me too. We should have FaceTimed. We should have. Because I was like, this is not the right. And I've watched all the videos. Like, I just, I can't figure out on my face because I don't have a lot of contour. Like one side is more contoured than the other. No, I was about to say, I almost feel like you don't need contour because you have a very angular. face. You have like a very like, I don't know if hearts the right word. I honestly don't even understand face shapes. People are like, what face shape am I? I'm like, I don't know. Circle. Yeah, face. I don't know. But I feel like you have angular features. And for someone like you, it's like you don't have to work with contour really to create bone structure because you have so much bone structure. But the only place that I would contour if you were sitting down in my chair is like this area. That's what it is for me. Yeah, just to kind of lift everything with your

jawline. Your jawline is so sharp. It's like to mirror that up here. to kind of balance. That's what I can't figure out. This is because I feel like there's not a lot of delineation between like my cheek and my lower face. This side I have more. What is delination? Like there's no it just kind of like blends into it. Whereas like you have like sculpted cheekbones. You know what I mean. Like there's a difference. You have like a like a narrower. I know what you mean. I feel like you I feel like you just have really like I think it's a lot of collagen in your skin but like in your cheeks. But I see what you mean. Yeah. So I can never like. find where to do the.

Yeah. So we got to do makeup so I can. Yeah. Yeah. After. Yeah. On set celebrity glam or everyday glam. You know, I love doing everyday glam and I obviously love educating everyday glam,

but there's something about having creative freedom on set and like making a moment. Sorry, I know these are rapid fire. No, no. I have all of these like more in depth. Okay. And the conversation that I plan to get to anyway. Trendy or classic? Trendy.

Okay. Yeah. Love it. Okay, now we'll do some rapid fire. Oh. Like more like actually not this for that. Tighten it up. Okay. Best makeup investment under $30. I would say in beauty, extreme cream eye, the eye cream. Because you can use it on your lips. You can use it all over your face. I don't know if it's under 30, but I think it is. Okay. It's clean. It's affordable. Amazing. Okay. I still have to try that one. I've been hearing about it for years. I learned about it on Breaking Beauty podcast. years ago when I was on it and I have yet to do it. Okay. A trend you're secretly over. I mean, I love a full lip, but I think we overdo it. I think coming back to your natural lip shape and just enhancing it, I think we went a little too far. So like lip lining. And I'm guilty. Look my lips right now. No, they look so good. No, but it's like a brownish liner. Yeah. Which one? Which one? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Lip stain. Summer Friday. Almond. Charlotte Tilbury iconic nude. Interesting. An OG. I know. I don't really use that. Yeah. No, it looks

really good. And they don't look overdone. Thank you. Yeah. Celebrity whose makeup moment lives rent-free in your head. Celebrity whose makeup. I think Kim K. Matt Gala, makeup by Mario, droplets of water. Do you know what look I'm talking about? A couple years ago? No, like maybe even a decade ago. Oh. Maybe not. Maybe 2018. Okay. She was in a, I don't know if it was like new glare. I should know these details, but makeup by Mario did it. And she just looked wet. Like her hair was wet. That part I remember. Yeah. Like she had wet droplets basically coming from. The dress. And I just remember like as someone who, sorry, I won't talk, but it just changed my life. We can get into it later. No, it's rapid fire until bad. Okay. Okay. Okay. What is one thing every woman should do before

she leaves the house makeup was? A little bit of lymphatic drainage. Yeah. Tighten it up. I know you're all about that. Yeah. But I think just I'm a puffy person and it makes a world's difference. I am the puffiest of people. Same.

And like if you drain your face in two minutes, I'm like, you don't even need makeup. Yeah. I need to do it more. Yeah. It's what I skip. Yeah. Because it's like a time thing. I'm like, I just can't.

If you don't have the time, you should just take an ice cube to the face. Yeah. That's my favorite hack. Okay. Every morning. It just paints everything up. What do you want women to feel when they look in the mirror after doing their makeup? themselves but hotter. Love it. Always. I want to talk about just how you got to where you are now.

How did you go from loving makeup to having an app, having this business? You've been doing some of the biggest people in the industry. Like I feel like your trajectory and I don't know enough of your backstory, but I feel like it's just like really like picked up steam in the last couple years or so. Yeah. So how did that happen? Well, thank you for the nice words. And I feel like my life has been in a blender, but it's because I really haven't been doing this for that long. I, you know, went to school, did advertising. I danced my whole life, which dance, I think, is a huge creative expression. If you are a creative person, it was something I loved. And it's something that I stopped in college. And I say this because I graduated college. I started in tech sales. I worked at Oracle. And I stopped dancing. And I feel like I just needed a creative outlet. I'd had something. for 20 years. I'd always loved makeup because I was doing stage makeup, obviously, for dancing and competitions. But I was like, I need to do something with my hands. I can't sit at a desk job and just truly crank out sales all day. Like, it kind of was just testing me of who I am as a person. And so I

think naturally, I just picked up makeup. I'd always been the girls swatching in Ulta, Sephora, Nordstrom. I would go and make friends with the girls at the counter. Like, I'll never forget it, Bobby Brown. They let me come and like fake work for a day because I was just obsessed with makeup. So I think I, my love for makeup was always there. And I really in 2020, kind of a gap, not a gap, but like, I was freed up time to actually explore taking social media more seriously because I'd been doing it for maybe two to three years just for fun, like when I'd get off from work or I'd work weddings on the weekend. But I didn't really have pressure of I want to do this full time. And this was 2018. So I feel like influencing was really kind of coming up at this point. And I followed a bunch of artists that

I loved. Like I adored Melissa Herkman still do. So many artists. And I was like, if I want to get hired for these jobs, I need to create this type of work. So I would just do makeup on my friends, weddings, blah, blah, blah. Fash forward to 2020, I am obviously home because of COVID and just starting to do more tutorials and go live. Like, it was my therapy. And I really just realized that I think I had a natural knack for teaching. Like, I don't want to say that in a weird. way, I just love teaching. I love talking. And I feel like I found that people were really receptive to education. I think, too, with consumer culture, it's like we're buying so many products. And then I think people are sitting in front of their makeup bag going, but how do I use this now? And I felt like I was getting

a lot of the same consistent DMs. And so I actually hosted a live Zoom class because I just thought, let's all do this in one area. And I called it back to basics. And I remember, I always say this. I thought maybe 100 people would sign up. And like 1,200 people emailed. me in one day. And I was sitting there working completely alone. I'm like, oh, shit. Like, I don't know how to do this. I was charging like 20 bucks to enter. Then Moes were coming. And I'm like, this is not right. So I think I just fell into teaching. It was really successful. I had so much fun. And my favorite thing about that live live, was the community. It was like, people were in the chat being like, I live here. I live here. Oh, like, people were making friends.

And at the same time, the makeup opportunities were really picking up. I was seeing that like, this was something I felt so confident doing. I was so excited. about it. I just, like, it blew what I was doing at Oracle completely out of the way. And I'm thankful for Oracle because I learned a lot of business practices that I feel like have taken me to where I am now about running a business, professionalism, all of those things. But I was so on fire for makeup. And at the same time, I was like, I want to be a celebrity makeup artist. Like, I love influencing and like that side of things, but I want to be a makeup artist. And 2021, I moved to New York. I quit my corporate job. I was like, I'm doing this.

But I think it's honestly crazy for me to look back on what's happened between 2021 and now because I've honestly achieved so many goals that I never in a million years thought. Like I always get emotional talking about it because I feel like I'm living my dream. And I feel like I get to do all of it. I get to educate. I now have my app, which obviously we were doing these live Zoom classes, but I was like, I have a vision for something so much bigger and better. So it's a subscription service, one new video a week.

high quality content, long format videos. I get to build community with that. We have so many community events in different cities and states. We do masterclasses. I get to work with my favorite brand. And then my clients, it's like my favorite part of my job. Jobs. So sorry. That was a very, it's hard for me to talk about my career though because I feel like I have three different buckets. Yeah. And it's all happening at the same time. And I'm just like, I'm just happy to be here. No, it's amazing. And I think it's so inspiring to hear your story because something that I hear from my audience a lot is that they're struggling to find their purpose. And I don't have great advice for it because I kind of fell into what I'm doing or like I came into it sideways. And it sounds like you did as well.

Yeah. And I had a guest on Mark Manson. He wrote the subtle art of not giving a fuck. Yes. He was on a few weeks ago and he was talking about like purpose isn't necessarily what people think it is. It's not like you find a purpose. just like out of nowhere. He's like, you develop a purpose and you do that by looking at your life and like, what are the things that I truly love? Yeah. And you can be working at a job that you don't love and that doesn't have to be your purpose, but you can have this other thing on the side that you love and make that more of a habit and create something. Like you never know what's going to happen. So I think that you're such a testament to that because you were like, wait, no, this is like what I love and you found a way to do it. Yeah. No, thank you. I. I don't. Thank you. I. I,

also get that question a lot of, I'm searching for something deeper. And I'm, I always just try to simplify it. I'm like, all we do during the day is make decisions. And I think you just need to see, did this feel good? Or did this not feel good? Yeah. And if it didn't pivot. And if it does, keep doing it. And I think, like you're saying, you can develop then this passion. Like, things are going to feel good or not. Yeah. I think if you just lean in that direction heavy, like, you'll eventually get there of just doing things that really bring you true fulfillment. Yeah. I'm a big proponent of like. pen to paper, like actual pen to paper. Same. Olden days. No. Not notes up. Because something about

writing, like you're less inhibited than you are like if you're typing on your phone. I find. And it's so simple. You to do like just a quick audit of your life. And it's like what are my current habits or what does my life look like now? What do I want it to look like? Yeah. And then in the middle, like what is the step that can get me there? You know, like I think it just simplifies it because we have it all in our head. But once you get it on paper and you see it, you can be like, whoa. It's funny because I feel like manifestation has become super overused and overdone and all of these things. But that was a huge part of my stories. Like I always had a little black book. And to your point of putting pen to paper throughout this entire process, I always was writing down, who are my dream clients?

Who are my dream brand? And that's why I feel like I have so much gratitude towards where I'm at right now because it's one thing to be like, I think I wanted those things, but I go back and read my journals. And it is like, I want to work with Fenty. I want to do Alex Cooper's makeup. Like, it's like things that I literally wrote out. And I'm like, oh, it really is a beautiful way to put your intentions out there. Yeah. And then you kind of consciously or subconsciously work towards that when you're here on your intentions. By the way, Alex Cooper on one of the morning shows. I don't remember which one it was last year. Yeah. the most beautiful, soft, natural, her, but hotter.

Yeah. Makeup. I was like, I was already following you at that time, but I was like, who did this makeup? This is amazing. Because I'd never seen her like that before. Yeah. It was like really. Was she in the brown dress?

I don't remember. The brown dress was Jimmy Kimmel. Or something. Oh, that was so good too. I think it's the Today Show. Those were the same day. Yeah. You just built on the Today Show look.

She was in the little bun and black tan. Yeah. And I think I was here at that time because she was staying at my hotel. And I kept seeing her. And yeah. She was like on a run for the, there was some kind of Forbes thing or something like that. Anyway. But so many of those that I've seen you do where I'm like, was there one moment or one client where you were like, holy shit. This is actually happening. I think every person at the respective time has meant so much. If that makes sense. So like I feel like I keep having these moments of. oh my God, I can't believe this is happening. Something that recently happened was I did the Grammys with Madison Beer. And that was just crazy. Like, I've always dreamt of doing an award show. She looked amazing. And thank you.

But we had really just met. And so I couldn't have really like manifested that or envisioned that. And I think it was just such an exciting like, wow, this is really happening moment. So that was cool. Yeah. I was like, I'm going to pat myself on the back for that one for two seconds. Do you ever have a client celebrity? or not where they want something and you're like absolutely not and you have to like steer them in a

different direction. Yay and nay. I do think a huge part about being a makeup artist is being you're guiding, but you're also reflecting and mirroring and allowing them to be themselves. Like it's so much more than just showing up and being like, well, I thought you'd look good in a smoky eye today. It's like it's such a reflection of how they're feeling in their own skin and like you really just want them to feel their best. But there are times where you're like, okay, so I feel like we've done this a lot. Let me push you in a little bit of a different direction, but that takes trust. So I mostly just lean with like, I trust the client's vision. They typically know themselves so well. I've learned so much from my clients who are like, I actually like to shape my eye this way or I like to overline

this way. I think, you know, like they teach me things where I'm like, you're right. You know your face better than I do. I just met you. So I don't know. There hasn't really ever been a look that I'm not proud of per se. There are times where I'm like, we did the same shit again. But they feel good. Then I get hired back. So I'm okay with that. And when you're working with a celebrity, is it usually the stylist? Because I know like when I used to do award shows and stuff, like the stylist would get with the makeup artist, would get with the hair person who would like kind of formulate like what is the look. In a vision. Yeah. Yeah. Is that what it is when you're doing? I think it's a lot of that. I do feel lucky. Like, I feel like a lot of the people that I've gotten in front of because a lot of

my business is word of mouth. Like, I don't have an agency. I have a manager who does my bookings, but every single person I've ever done is from my relationships or word of mouth. And so I feel like I am thankful that I show up a lot and people are like, I just love what you do. I would love to see what you want to do on me versus if I had a career where I was more consistently going on set or certain things where it's kind of like I'm doing someone else's vision. Yeah. I feel like they allow me and give me trust a lot of the time. So I feel thankful for that.

I can't remember the question. And I don't know why I said that. No, hey, we're here. Yeah, you have autonomy. Like, that's amazing. But it is a big vision.

And I think with hair and with styling, it's always like, I want to respect all the other parties. We can touch those. And sometimes, too, it's like, it's a hair moment. You know, it's not about the glam. So I think I love this energy as a team. And I think whenever you align, it's just like, yes. Yeah.

It's got to be so grass. Just to get the whole. And when you see them on the carpet or on TV, you're like, yes. It is. The highlight of my job. If you have accepted bloat cravings and that postmill crash after eating is just your new normal, I am challenging you to feel better. And I'm basically giving you the cheat code, which is the Just Thrive Gut Essentials bundle. What this does is it pairs two clinically proven gut superstars, Just Thrive probiotic and my personal favorite, the digestive bitters.

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But unfortunately, like we can't control lighting settings 24-7. Some podcasts that I go on, I get the video back. And I'm like, you did me so dirty. No, it's, I can only imagine. I actually have a friend who is a podcaster and she was telling me, like, she was like, I'm struggling with like texture on camera. I feel like you can layer more powders than you think. Yeah, I always look greasy.

see. Well, same because I love glowing makeup. But I think it's hard because camera also highlights like the lighting highlights texture, but also it's blowing you out. So it's just a balance of like looking like you have fresh skin, but also allowing yourself to layer a little bit more. Anytime I'm doing anything camera forward, I'm like, I'm just going to put a little bit more on. Yeah. And I'm not afraid of powder. I think powder got a bad rep. Yeah. Powder's amazing. So, and I think it just makes your makeup last longer. It sets in place what you're doing. It mattifies. It smooth. It blurs. Like, you're struggling with texture on your skin. It's like, put a little powder on that bitch. For texture. Yeah. Really. Okay. So I feel like I want to do a little bit of myth busting.

Yeah. And I feel like that might be a big myth where people are averse to powder because they think it's going to emphasize whatever texture they have. Yes. I know like for wrinkles, people are like, no, it's going to make my wrinkles worse. Like for acne, it's going to get cakey. So is this a myth? So stressful. Okay. Yes. Yes. This is. is a myth. Like, I think with anything, you can have a heavy hand with any product. So there's definitely a layer and, like, you have to learn how to strategically apply things that work for you. For instance, in my smile lines, like, I'm avoiding my smile lines with all makeup because it is a crevice in your skin. Where are those? Smile. What are they? Or where are there?

Where? Here. Like these ones, you know? Okay, got it. Like nasal leap. Like, I just know that if I put any makeup in that area, it's going to settle into the lines. Think about, like, sand. like it's going to find where to sink into a hole. So I think people like overload their face with too much of everything and then they blame the product when in reality I think you just used way too much product. So for powder too, I just like to think of it like you know how highlight is reflective. So if you put highlight over a breakout or over texture, it's going to reflect the texture and like scream that focus to someone who's looking at you or watching you on camera. if you blur over it with a matifying powder or even just like a matte formula to the naked eye,

it just smooths over. It doesn't draw attention. So it totally just blurs and kind of softens the area the finish of a powder versus highlight dewy, oily, wet looking stuff will like emphasize all of your texture. But go in with a light hand. It's all about like layers. So how would somebody use like a setting powder if they want to look really dewy? you look dewy now. So do you have a little highlight over? I have a little, I'm a huge fan of layering

creams, powders, powders, creams. I have no rules. If you're using, like, I don't even want to say the right tools, but if you're just going in with a light hand, it shouldn't disturb the base underneath. But I think it's all about picking the right powder for you. There's powders are a spectrum. There's things like finty and visomat, which are like no powder powders. So if you're someone who is really intense, dry skin, or you feel like you crease under your eyes, going with a powder that is so fine that it basically feels like nothing on your skin. Versus if you have oily skin, you're going to go in with a powder that, like, sucks and absorbs out all the oil. So I think it's like being a smart consumer when it comes to what's going to work for your skin type. And then just

using way less. Like if I know I crease under my eyes, I don't take all concealer and all powder right under here with this area with fine lines. I kind of keep it right underneath. I always leave a centimeter of space. You want to feather it up. You want the lightest amount of product in the areas that we have fine lines. Because we just don't want it to settle into there. Did I answer your question? Totally. And I'm thinking about another myth, which I think is that makeup ages people. But it sounds like it's the same kind of thing. I kind of agree with that. Oh, okay. Tell me more. I find that, and I say this just based off of what my mom has told me, my mom is in her 60s and it's been really cool to watch. Like, I feel like in the last decade of her life,

she's become so confident in her skin and just very like, I don't need as much makeup. And I do agree that like when she does wear more makeup, I think it just, you can see it more on the skin. I think that's just the reality of like having more fine lines. It just settles into more. So I think that, you know, it is fresher. It's more fresh to look fresh. Like some of my favorite looks too of glamour people that like it's skin forward. They're letting their skin breathe. Like I do think that there's a time in place for camera makeup and for layering a ton of powders, etc. But I think it can age you, if not done right and light. Yeah. I have a lot of things in my head right now. I have a lot of thoughts too. I'm like, which ones of these should I say out loud? Well, recently, this was not your

look, but Margot Robbie, I feel like she did this really well. What's her name? Patty. Yes. Patty Dubrov. Amazing. Yes. Like her press tour was very skin forward. Oh, yeah. Very, very minimal makeup on the eyes. Natural. Blushing cheeks. Yes. Just gorgeous. Conversely.

Yeah. I've seen some celebrities in real life. Yeah. Again, like red carpet things. So I understand. You're on camera. The camera is going to wash it out. You've got to go a little heavy sometimes if you want a certain look.

Yeah. But like I saw J-Lo. Yeah. Oh, she's in a full. Allegedly. Allegedly. I just, I don't know. I don't want to get in trouble.

there was a lot and I was just like she has gorgeous skin. Yeah. And I was like, this is, I think, having the opposite effect. Yeah. I mean, I think it's just different, like doing makeup for different scenarios. Yeah. There is times that your makeup maybe doesn't look. It doesn't translate to the naked eye as it translates in a music video.

Yeah. But I also think it's preference. Like, J-Lo's been doing this for so long. She's been working with Scott Barnes for so long. And he is like, I guess. iconic and I feel like they, they are doing their look. Do you know what it means? It's just like an ode to their moment. And I think to be fair, she was presenting. It was Golden Globes. So it's like, when she's standing up there with the blaring lights and she's on camera. Totally. And on your TV,

like, it looks good. She looks snatched, whatever. But like in person, it's just a little. Yeah. It's like stage makeup. Yeah. Yeah. I'm also like, like, I'm scared to say something. We love you. It's called Barnes, you Chan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These, These opinions are my own, not yours. Different strokes for different books. Not everything has to work for everyone. Yeah. And that's a blanket statement.

Yeah, totally. Are there any other myths that you can think of that you just want to like debunk once and for all? I think like people are very confused about primers. And I blame the beauty industry for two myths that bronzer and contour are the same. Yeah. Because I also don't think brands understand that. Yeah.

And as someone who's trying to educate, I'm like, get your shit together. Yeah. And that you need primer. Like I think primer was just something that a marketing team came up with to sell a new product category at stores. Because basically, priming your skin is the idea to prep your skin before makeup. You can be using your serum. You can be using your moisturizer.

You can be using your ice cube. Like, it really doesn't matter. It's just to like make sure your skin is okay for makeup. So then they introduce primers, which just feels like this like extra step. So then people are doing their normal skin care and their skin is super hydrated. And they're like, but do I need a primer? I'm like, I don't know. Does your skin feel hydrated?

Like, do you feel okay? Yeah. Like, it really is simple. It's just like support your skin barrier. The only thing that I think primers are good for is for like spot treating problem areas. Like if you do feel like you have enlarged pores or you know you're going to get super oily using something to absorb the shine. Like I think they're nice for that.

But I think people are just very confused on the skin. skin prep market. And then for the contour and bronzer thing, the amount of undertones that are just wrong, like, it's infuriating. You'll watch brands that are like, this is five warm and it has a cool undertone. And then so it's just like, how is our consumer supposed to even understand this? Because we don't have a consistent pool of information here. How does somebody figure out if they are warm or cool? Trial and air. The worst answer in the book. But it's true. Yeah. Like you swatch something on your skin. If it looks yellow, then it's too warm. You know, like, I think you just have to see how things look on your skin. You have to research the product. Oh, this is an olive undertone. I'm not olive,

you know. Like, I found my undertone from just putting on, remember the point in time where yellow concealer was everything. Yellow powder. It was like, when I put on yellow concealer, it looked like I was smearing like banana shit on my face. And I was like, so I don't have warm undertones. I'm not yellow. Like, that's how I learned. Okay. But I don't think people like that. When it comes to foundation. Do you find that most people actually need to be mixing multiple colors, or do you think that there's like a true color for everybody? I think that if you want to get the best shade, you're going to mix colors, but who has time for that? But I think it's just because we're not all just one undertone. We all have the same components and colors in our skin. We just have different

ratios of them. So I mean, I also think brands, like I think the tech, aka like shade range, shade capability like formulations these days, I think are so good. Yeah. You see brands like Armani who have like 64 shades or something crazier. So I think, you know, we're pushing in that direction where I think people feel more represented, thank God. Yeah. And I think people can find their shades a little easier.

I don't think you have to mix and match like you did like in the early 2000s where there was five shades from. Yeah. That was like, I was big into like the Mac Foundation. Face and Body. Is it. Oh my God. Yeah. It was a little, now I think I feel like it was a little heavy. No, whatever. Mac is here to stay. Yeah. I love Mac. Oh, I do too. I love their lip liners still. Never stopped using. Yeah. I think they are exceptional and I think that they are going to stand the test of time. For sure. It's art. Like, I feel like it's so artist-based too at the end of the day and those will always prevail. Yeah. For sure. If you were to follow a woman through her makeup routine. Yeah. Where do you think you would catch the first mistake?

I mean, this is cruel. I think it is always, and I've done this with my friends. Like, I've actually done this a lot so I can speak from experience. It's always like too much product too heavy of pressure. I watch people pile drive their face like this. Like that's such an inappropriate gesture. I like punch my face with my beauty blender. I'm like, no. It's just, it's so aggressive. Okay. And I think people use way too much product. There's always like the first step, like foundation or something. It's like they're going, they're pumping on their skin like we see on. TikTok. It's like that's for visual like, that's what I do. That is no. No, but also I'm not trying to be critical. I really think that in a world full of too many, you do this wrong, you do whatever.

I really don't think it matters. I think it's just learning what works for you. And if you like a heavier foundation, pop off. What am I going to say? Too much foundation. It's like, but I can like help with like. We all love your aesthetic. And so you can tell us where to course correct to achieve that. And I love like on my app, I feel like that's the whole goal. I'm like, I never want people to feel like they don't have the right product. It's always about technique. It's like, oh, I'm going in and I'm picking a mat formula versus a Dewey and I'm educating on why. This has better staying benefits. Like, I really want people to just understand if they can change the way they're holding their brush or the way that they're stamping into their skin versus blending. Like, these things will transform the way that your makeup can look. And it's just little technique tweaks. And you can try them and then you can not try them.

You know, like I don't want to make people feel like you're doing things wrong. Yeah. Obviously you have this like all over your content and your app, but what is your favorite technique for applying everything? Like foundation. Do you like a brush? Do you like a sponge? Do you like? So I was really big beauty sponge girl. Like love. I have not used a beauty sponge of probably a year and a half. Really? I don't use them ever. And I don't use them on clients anymore, which is crazy to me because I really used to think it was the best blend. But I think I've moved into such a technique that's like such light layers with brushes that like it looks very smoothing. But I will say though is like for an everyday girl, if you're trying to beat your face in 10 minutes. And if you make

mistakes, if you put too much makeup on your face, a sponge is going to absorb it. That's why a sponge typically makes everyone's makeup looks good, look good or better because it's removing makeup. So you can go in. Yeah, it's a sponge. It's going to. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like I feel like we we forget that. But that's why it makes your makeup look a little better because it kind of absorbs excess product. So I'm not against it. I like brushes more and you guys will understand why later. But I think they're just, I think they're really helpful.

So brushes for everything. Brushes for blush, brushes for eyes, foundation, contour. And use one brush for your full face. Like who cares? Or have a full collection and like have your little moment with each. Yeah. Okay. I think one of the biggest gaps when people are trying to eat

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just removes that friction of having to plan, shop, or wonder if what you're buying is actually high quality. And I think that that is the real shift. When your staples are dialed in, everything feels easier. You're more consistent. You feel better. You have more energy. Also, you always have things on hand. I like to get Butcher Box and then I batch make a lot of protein and I freeze it. And then I can just take it out and reheat it whenever I feel hungry and it leads to better choices overall. Butcher Box delivers straight to your door and you can fully customize your box based on what you actually eat, which I love. And as an exclusive offer, my listeners can get their choice of chicken breast or top sirloin for a year or ground beef for life plus $20 off when you go to butcherbox.com

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Like I have it down to a routine. But mistakes with their eyes, I don't know. I think that like we talked about like brown mascara is a huge unlock. If you feel like black mascara is just too aggressive, obviously opt for a brown. But we all know that these days. I think just, well, this is what I'll say. I think people forget that your eyes and the rest of your face, like it should all be cohesive. So like, that's why I love blowing out blush onto the eyes.

And that's why I contour the eyes up into my face. Like everything should be one cohesive tone and one cohesive shape. So I feel like people forget to like contour their eyes if they're contouring their face or put your bronzer, put your blush on your eyes. Like all of these things just make your makeup to the everyday person look more natural and less like you're wearing an eye look. How are we contouring eyes? Are we doing?

I like a Mary, like Mary Phillips, I feel like it lives in my brain rent free. Yeah. She loves from the outer portion of the eye. to lift like over the brow into here. Okay. And that's something I have always focused really on this like inner corner and kind of contouring out the eye shape. Love that. But I really like have changed that shape from watching Mary.

Like I just think it really lifts the face. It like opens everything. Yes. Yeah. But I love like rounding out the eye and deepening the hollows. Obviously if you have deep set eyes, you don't need to do that. But I just think for my face shape and my eyes like I love the full snatch up. What's your favorite eye like?

Well, the most waterproof one is the Pat McGrath one, I personally think. I did the shoot where for a client, the makeup had to be completely waterproof. Like she was basically going to get waterboarded for 12 hours. And I was like, great. I will figure this out. I will practice at home. So I tested the most waterproof makeup I could find for a month. And I was doing a full face of makeup, going to a heated Pilates class coming back waterboarding myself in a shower, patting it off. looking at it, waterboarding myself again, like I tested everything. And I feel like, oh, she's taking of things. I know. I hate when other people do this. No, I love. Do I keep talking? I'm so stressed. Okay. Anyways, that was the most waterproof. It did not budge. It's the perma gel, Pat McGrath, just the classic eyeliner. Like, I think it's incredible. But for an eyeliner that's going to work with you and give you so much dimension, it's super creamy, the Victoria Beckham. Have you used that one? I have yet. to try any Victoria Beckham. I'm like so behind in life. Victoria Beckham, I love you.

Victoria Beckham Beauty, I would love to work together. Like the stylist, the contour stylist, the best product to exist. The foundation drops I have them on today, they are, you would eat them up. With Augustina's. Yep. Okay. They're like $150 worth every penny. I hate that. That's the only thing that you have in your skin for foundation? Well, a little bit of high, low, because I mix that with my L'OLEUMEY glotion. Okay. Love a drugstore moment. But those two together. The Augustina Spotter, Victoria Beckham collab, is like glassy. Like you would eat it up. Oh my God.

Yeah. I don't know why I don't have that yet. And her could draw aligners, though, back to your point, the eyeliners are some of the most gorgeous colors. Like, I use them a lot in my professional kit. And then what about mascara? I'm a drugstore girl. Okay. I don't think you got to spend a lot.

I like Mabeline. Okay. Like a good sky high. Their new body mascara is really good. I do like a tubing mascara occasionally. I see the benefits. What's the benefits? The benefits is that, like, since it's going to be removed in tubes, basically, like,

there is no flaking, no transferring. Like, it's literally incapable of transferring. So if you're ever doing something super long, I mean, it does apply a little different, but it's just really nice when you need that extra insurance of, like, I need it to stay put. Okay. I never understood the tubing concept. No, I do. Have you tried a tubing mascara?

Yeah. But when you remove it, do you know what I'm talking about? No. It, like, comes off in, like, trubinging. True tubes. Okay. Which is gnarly to see. I've never paid attention.

Yeah. Because I think you'd be GVs, but it works. Like it'll never flake. Yeah. I like the Thrive one. That's the one I use if I can tube it out. I don't really know how to apply mascara in a way where it doesn't look.

I don't know. It just looks like weird on me, I feel like. What it does? It does. It does. It does. It does. What do you feel like is wrong with yours?

Plumpy. No. Like, I don't know. I slept on this side of my face. So these are like. jacked up and then needs are different. I used to be a slige sleeper now. I'm like it's like not, like you are. I'm a back sleeper now. Do you have a special pillow? I do. But like the baby pillow? No, none of that show. No. Sorry, can I cuss? Yeah. Of course. Okay. No, I just have this pillow that

I sleep like this. But now my biggest insecurity is my back part. Oh. You can't win. No. You know, it used to be the left side of my face sagged. Do you have a bonnet? Yeah, I have a bonnet. Okay. Of course I have a hot peat bonnet. My boyfriend is like, I am not marrying you. Mine is pink with like cherries on it. It's like an Amazon thing. I'm like, yeah. It really makes a big difference. Yep. It really makes a huge difference. Yeah. I mean, between the face tape and the bonnet. Oh, all of it. The mouth tape. Yep. And the, I mean. I'm locked in. I noticed that you face tape and you don't do Botox anymore, right? I did a little bit after like two and a half years. I was like, we got to like. Were you just detoxing your life? I had a really, really horrible reaction to it where it like, ruined.

my health. Like I could not function for like six months. Like it was what were the side effects? Just like a few hours after I got the injections. I got really bad vertigo like everything was spinning. The floor was moving. My vision went black. That was like what happened like immediately. Oh. And then I had for six months like that vertigo every day. This debilitating like feeling of panic like not mental anxiety, but like my body was like in fight or flight. I had muscle spasms. I had toosis in both my eyes. So like both my eyes were drooping.

They were completely dried out. I had brain fog. I would like look at something and I would know what it said, but it would take like 15 seconds to like process in my brain. And you knew this all was because of Botox. There was no other life. I was perfectly healthy before. And then I got the injections. And then I got them in like the evening.

And then the next morning like it started happening. And I was like something weird. Yeah. It was really crazy. So everyone's like, why would you ever go? back to it, psycho. And I'm like, because it's hard being a woman. It's hard being a woman. Yeah. No, but that's, I would like have done the same thing. Yeah. I mean, I, I like went through a lot of health stuff in that time, those two years and figured out some other things that were maybe like

underlying that could have caused me to have that reaction, whether that was like a toxin spread reaction or an immune reaction. And I was just like, you know what? I'm never going to know. Yeah. Unless I try again. So like, I did. The minimal minimal units, just because my eyes, that's the only thing that bothers me. It's like, because I'm, everyone expresses differently, right? Yeah. I'm like very squinty, smiley. Yeah. And yeah, so I tried again.

But I still, no, I was okay. Good. But it's like, it was a mind fuck because I was like, oh, my finger hurts. Oh, wait. Am I dizzy? Like, what, you know, like after going through that, I feel like it's just took the fun out of it. Like, I don't know that it can really do it regularly and like not be freaking out that it's going to happen again. But with the face tape, I wake up like this.

Like, I am a forehead razor in my sleep. Oh, interesting. Yeah. It's, people say you don't move your face at night. I move my face. So you're dreaming and you're over here. I can't raise. I just got injected.

I'm like, sorry. I know, I have a little residual. I can't really do it either. But some people are like really like furrows. I'm more like, I think because I'm like, I run anxious. Yeah. So I would notice like I would wake up with deep lines. in my forehead. And so the tape just prevented that, not because it was like freezing everything in

place, but I think the feedback of just having something there, like, just kind of like stops you from doing it. And around the eyes, like it can help with lymph flow, like if you're doing it correctly, because it kind of lifts the top layer. Like the same way that KT tape works for athletes. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like people who are like religious about it, I understand. Also, like, I sleep on my side. So like that, so if I just do like the gentle tape right there, it kind of helps prevent that like scrunching whatever you're doing I want thank you I think aging is a privilege all of the things but I'm also like I love the idea of aging gracefully yeah and like whatever whatever makes you feel that way I know pop off I mean I know people who don't do Botox at all who are

so committed to the facial massage yeah the tape the guasha the everything and I'm like they look fucking amazing yeah and like I've always said tape is not the same as Botox it doesn't go into your muscle and paralyze it. So don't get it twisted. It's not going to work the exact same way. You're going to still have movement. But it prevents, for me, at least, like, deep set lines. And I would have girls that followed me, message me, like, every single day who got Botox. And they were like, oh, I had this little, like, line between my brows, like, and I would do all the Botox there and nothing got rid of it. And I tape and it's gone. So you can do both. You know, like, it's just. And a little bit of lymphatic drainage to release all the tension. Like, that has been game changing. I think I can

find, do you have a face massage place here that you like? I actually don't. I used to go. There was an amazing, she passed away. Do you know Dana? Yes. That. I still use her guasha. Yes. That's where I learned about lymphatic drainage for the face. I used to go to her spa. I thought it was the most incredible. She was so educational. Like, just terrible what happened. But her, like, I think she really helped educate a lot of people on the practice of draining. your face of fluids. And like, I learned a lot. I take it with me now. It's what inspired me to do all these lymphatic practices. So I try to channel her, honestly. And she was taping. Yeah. Before anyone. I remember. She came on my podcast like maybe in 2021. And it's 21 or 22.

Yeah. I was like at that time shooting my face up with Botox. Yeah. Every three months, 100 units. Like maybe not 100 all the time. I'm like, oh my God. Maybe like 60. I was doing Disport. I don't know. I was frozen. I was not interested in any natural modalities. Yeah. But she sent me face tape and she sent me like the reflexology tools and the guasha. Yes. And she was like very non-judgmental, you know. And she was like getting really into the taping. Yeah. I still have her she buckthorn oil. It's the best. She was ahead of her time. I'm like, I just want to hold on to it. I know. I thought I lost the guasha and I was like and then I found it. I bring it with me everywhere. It's so good. Yeah.

Okay. What is a mistake that women make when they're trying to look younger and it actually does the opposite? it. I think too much filler. No. Sorry. Like, I know that might ruffle some feathers, but I just think, I just don't think it looks natural. Yeah. I've never gotten filler. So I, I feel like people always accuse me of getting filler and I'm like, I don't have filler. I have nothing against filler. I think if you don't know someone has filler, it's great filler. Yeah. I think it's when you can tell that someone has filler. I'm just like, like the really big lips, the really big, like, so I guess, yeah, my answer is not about filler in general. It's just too much filler. I think it people, we just all start looking the same. It's weird to me. Like I think people's natural bone structure and like your

lip shape, like all of these things are unique identifiers that make you you. I'm so down to enhance them. Obviously, I do Botoc all the things. But I just think it goes a little too far. And we all, everyone's looking a little too. Yeah. I think we're course correcting a little bit. I think that like natural is back in. And now, especially with like this JFK love story, everyone wants to be Carolyn Bethette. I'm like, everyone is embracing like the no makeup, totally. The 90s, minimalism. And like people were, people were individual and unique. Yes. And that's what, not to say that people weren't doing things back then because they were. Like, let's not. I think it's just having individualism. Individual style. Like I just posted on my stories. I was like, not everyone has to dress like

Carolyn Bassett. I'm so sorry. I know that's mean. But people are like, oh, you know, like getting all their ruffled feathers. But I just think it's just think it's. It's like she had aura and she is an icon because of her unique style. Do I think we all, like life is made up of pulling inspiration from other people. That's the way the fashion. And she works. The beauty industry works. Like if I'm wearing long sleek hair, I'm going to say, oh, I'm channeling share.

Like it's like, you channel people. But I was just like, enough with these trends. Like we go crazy. Like I love that she is obviously getting her flowers. It's not about that. She's an icon. But I'm like, we don't all have to put on a headband. The headband.

The headband. Like the amount, and this was for guys, too. I'm seeing guys in the West Village with a freaking, what are they called, the little berets on? Like, take it off. You look in a sweater vest. I'm like, don't even. I saw a video of C.O. Bigelow on 6th Avenue. Yeah.

My ex and I used to have an apartment right across the street, like Waverly and 6th. And I would go there all the time, like if I needed hair clips and things like that. And now it's like you can't even walk in her because everyone is in there trying to get the headband. I think the thing about her that was so cool is. you know, yes, she had amazing innate style. Yeah. That was the style in the 90s. So like everyone was kind of dressing like that. She had access to, you know, amazing pieces and Calvin Klein and all of these things. But she would like repeat them all the time. Yeah. And wear them over and over. She knew who she was. That's what makes her so magnetic, I think. And that's something that you can't

emulate by wearing the headband and the oval sunglasses and the... Totally. And I'm not digging someone who wants to try a trend. No, no, no. Yeah. Like I try trends all the time. I see what works with me. Yeah. But to your point, too, I've thought about this a lot. Like, I feel like at this point in my life, I am so enamored and love spending time with people that are so confidently themselves. Yes. That is a trait that I have found is like the most attractive thing. And I feel like there's so many people in my life that I leave just being, I'm like, I love spending time with them because they know who they are. And they're just so unapologetic. And it's like, whether it's through their fashion or. through their decisions or just their opinions. Like I actually really am addicted to hanging out with people who like know themselves. I think like self possession is one of the most attractive qualities, you know, self-assurance, self-possession. And it's not like narcissism. No. It's just confidence. Yeah. And like feeling empowered to act on your own opinions. And I think it's very, very unique in this world right now. Yeah. And magnetic. I totally agree. Okay.

we have a few minutes. We'll try to do some quicker. Okay. I want to know the five minute face. Yeah. Like if someone has five minutes, how are they doing this? You need a good brow gel. You need... What's your favorite bra gel? I like Maybeline. Okay. I'm blinking on that super say, super love. I can you use it in your videos, I think. Yeah. I have it on right now. Or Anastacio Brow for you show. So good. Shut up. You need a good, obviously put on your SPF. I was getting yelled up to that. You need a good, like, tinted, moisture. Streis or something glowing. I always use Laurel Looney Glotion, a natural concealer. I love Tower 28. I love Westman. Natasha is a little more full glam. A good cream blush. I'm always doing perfect pink for Mario. I'll throw in some other ones, but that one is just tried and true. Do you layer powder and and cream blush? Not for five minute face. I'm just creams. And then I'll hit maybe my T-Zone with

a little finty and Vizmat or a powder if I'm going longer than a two-hour span. For all my lashes, little faux freckles, lip stain, lip liner, lip gloss. Of course. I'm a little boss girl. Eyeshadow? No. You don't have shadow on right now? Oh, but this isn't five minutes. Oh. How long is this? This is like a 10 minute. Like, I have a 10 minute series on my app right now.

That's what we're doing this month. And it's like 10 minute event glam, 10 minute going to dinner glam. Like you can do this in 10 minutes. Okay. I also have lazy girl glam on my app. That's what this is. Okay. This is. This is lazy girl? Lazy girl mixed with a little bit of event glam. Okay. But they're all like 20 minutes. What shadow do you have on? I did the makeup by Mario chestnut.

I love a shadow sticker, a cream pigment. And then what on the lips? What on the lips? Are you said Charlotte Tilbury? Yeah, iconic nude, summer Friday's almond stain. I'm really trying to power through this. I go, go, go, go. I did a little bit of road ribbon.

And then Mac lip glass. I'm a big. I love that one. Oh my God. But it lasts all night. Yeah. It is the, that is like one of the OGs. Yeah.

I feel like that was like, yeah. It's very sticky. It's there for a reason. Good. Yeah. I did road today. Yeah. Which one? I love, I love road. But I feel like it, when I talk, it like, disappears. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of that balmy texture. It's like reapply. Yeah. Okay. Okay. What is something in a woman's makeup bag that they should probably throw away and what should replace it? Well, mascara, first of all. It's probably expired. Yeah. Mascar. It'll smell. Okay. Oh, really? And your sponge. How long? You guys sponges are gross. I know. My sponge is disgusting. Just throw it out. Get the Pawpaw sponges. They're so affordable. I'm doing brushes. I'm done with sponges. I always have done like the damp sponge. Yeah. Love. But then I feel like I have to reapply my makeup. Like usually I'll do my makeup in the morning.

Yeah. And I'm like very, very light. I don't like a lot of makeup. I'll do like a little foundation, damp sponge, blend it around. Yeah. A little bit of like bronzer. I'm like still a bronzer. Love bronzer. Blush. Laura Merciergey eye shadow stick. Because I don't know how to do eye shadow. A little bit of eyeliner. Usually no mascara. And then my lip. And I'm like, this is great.

An hour later, no makeup. Are you setting spray? No. Are you powdering? No. Okay, but we have two problems here. We need to address. A little powder, a little setting spray.

Okay. Layer. Okay. But for any makeup that you want to last long, you have to layer. Yeah. So if you want like 12 hour makeup. Yeah. I do the pancake method.

That's what I. I haven't heard this. Enlightening me. So like it's especially good at night because I may have two layers of makeup on from the day. And then if I have like a dinner or something and I have to get ready, I'm like, I'm just going to pancake on top of this. Yeah. So then I just do more foundation on top. And then by then like I have so many layers that it looks amazing. Yes. That's my pancake method. Okay.

The the tutorial that like launched me into teaching was my bride like bridesmaids. And it was basically 12 hour makeup. And the whole idea of it is like you set every cream step with its powder. Jason and you just keep layering. Like, if you do that, your makeup will literally last until like 2 or 3 a.m. Really? So I think the pancake method is on to something. Okay. You can steal that if you want to. You trademark that. Um, is there a technique that you use on celebrities that everybody should do at home? Like something that makes a big difference, but nobody's really talking about. That sounds like it's kind of one of them, maybe. Yeah, that I used, I do a lot of underpainting. I think honestly people would be very shocked at how little of makeup.

I use, I think, less makeup sometimes on celebrities than I do on myself. And maybe that's because a lot of the times, like, actually, that's not true. I think, I just think less is more. It sometimes makes looks more fresh. So yeah, maybe that. Are there any other, like, beauty and wellness hacks that you like? You're sleeping in a bonnet. You're doing the ice or the massage.

Red light. Yeah, I have a Jew's panel. Amazing. Yeah. I invested in that a while ago and I'm very thankful. I have CBO. I've had it for a really long time. And obviously the chronic inflammation is something that I'm constantly fighting. And I find that red light therapy, like it really helps reduce inflammation. It just makes me feel way better. And for my skin too, I'm super acne prone. So I find that it helps keep the acne a bay. Because every time you get a good facial, they're going to, if you are struggling with a breakout, they put you under a red light. So I'm like, if I can do that every day, like again. really hit it. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. I could keep talking to you for an hour. Same. Go on. This was so good. Where can everyone find you? Where are all the things? Instagram. I'm at makeup XCA. Someone's like, you should change that. And now I like, well, when I first started there, like, you should change that. I'm like, no, people are going to know my name. But now I'm like, I should change that. But anyways, it's makeup XK. My business is makeup by Kellyan. And we're on all socials. And you can download the app in the app store.

is a subscription $12 a month or you can do annual. And I think it's the best investment that you can make for yourself. It really is. It's so helpful. I need to like do because I watch them, but like I watch when I'm not actually doing my makeup. I need to do my makeup and follow along. Yeah. That's my goal. I want people to like prop it up every time they do their makeup. Yeah. I want to be a part of the daily routine. Yeah. Amazing. Thank you for having me. This is so fun. It's so fun. I hope you enjoyed that episode. If you liked the episode and if you like the show in general, please take a second to rate, review, and subscribe. It goes such a long way in supporting the show. Follow the show over on Instagram at well.com. You can also follow my personal

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