Well with Arielle Lorre - 453: Miranda Kerr’s Secrets for Glowing Skin, Inner Peace, and What Goes Into Victoria's Secret Prep

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

Miranda Kerr is a supermodel, founder of KORA Organics, and a longtime advocate for holistic wellness. In this episode, she shares what actually works for glowing skin, real wellness, and lasting beauty—without extremes.We get into the habits she never skips, the mindset behind her longevity, and why inner peace plays a bigger role than any product. She breaks down her approach to aging, her go-to retinol alternative, and what she’s learned from years in the modeling industry about what truly makes a difference.We also talk about the reality behind model beauty standards, how she prepped for the Victoria’s Secret runway, and the skin and body rituals she relies on for that effortless glow.We cover:Her non-negotiable habitsThe retinol alternative she usesMeditation + inner peaceModel beauty extremes (what’s real)Career longevity + self-careVictoria’s Secret prep + glow hacksA grounded, no-BS approach to beauty that actually lasts.You can find Miranda at @mirandakerr on Instagram, and KORA Organics @koraorganics on Instagram and koraorganics.com. Use code ARIELLE20 for 20% off koraorganics.com.This episode is brought to you by:Go to armra.com/WELL or enter WELL to get 30% off your first subscription order.Head to paleovalley.com/well, or use code well at checkout for 15% off your first purchase.Visit livemomentous.com and use promo code well for up to 35% off your first order.Visit Ritual.com/WELL for 25% off your first month.Head to opositiv.com/BLONDE or enter code BLONDE at checkout for 25% off your first purchase.Try LMNT and get a free sample pack when you go to DrinkLMNT.com/WELL. This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear Media See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Well, a podcast about wellness in all its forms. I'm Ariel Laurie, and each week I'm sharing unfiltered conversations with people shaping how we feel, live, and look. Come for the substance, stay for the honesty, and leave with the tools to be well, inside and out. Before we kick off today's episode, I wanted to preface it by saying that there is so much more to Miranda Kerr than meets the eye.

Of course, she's known as a supermodel. She is the founder of Cora Organics. She's somebody who's really been at the center of beauty and wellness for decades. But I have to say being with her in person, I noticed two things. One is she has such a profound presence. And I've really only experienced this with people who are meditators, who have a deep inner spiritual life and mindfulness practice. I've been around several people like this in my life who have this Geneseecoat, who when you're in the room with them, you feel it.

And Miranda definitely had that. And that's a testament to the work that she's been doing, which we do get into in this episode. And also, she's very playful and cheeky. So she kind of has this juxtaposition of very calm,

very grounded, very present, and also kind of light and funny and, like I said, cheeky. It's a very magnetic combination. And I guess that would be the third thing that I noticed about her is just her magnetism. So this is such a great episode.

We talk about her true 360 approach to health that prioritizes consistency, inner balance, and taking care of yourself from the inside out. We talk daily rituals from dry brushing to red light therapy to the lima laser to laser mats. She knows all the tips and tricks. We talk about how simple habits have had the biggest impact on her skin, energy, and longevity. We also delve deep into the mindset piece, meditation, inner peace, learning to trust your intuition, and how that's shaped not just her wellness routine, but her entire life and career. And of course, we cover the fun beauty side too.

So I had to ask her about Victoria's Secret Show, prep, body care, glow rituals, the products and treatments that she actually stands by today. It is equal parts, practical, it's aspirational, it's really aligned with where wellness is heading. And I just know you're going to love this one. so please enjoy Miranda Kerr. Welcome. Thank you.

Thanks for having me. Really, really excited to have you. I feel like you have been at the top of my list for many, many years. So I can't wait to talk to you about beauty and wellness and all of the things. But to start, I like to ask my guests, what makes you well? I would say, I really feel like health is so important. And I've felt that way since I was a teenager. And so taking care of your health from a 360 approach, like taking care of your mind, for me, that's through meditation and prayer, taking care of your body through what, obviously, what foods we eat, eating fresh, local organic produce.

And then, you know, taking care of your spirit, what lights you up, what brings you joy? And for me, that's being in nature, being with my family, dancing, how to be it? Having fun. And so when those areas are, you know, fulfilled, then I feel well. And good sleep. Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Always. I want to bookmark that because I want to come back to the meditation piece specifically. But I like to also do a quick round of this or that just to get to know you. Yeah. So dry brushing or a lymphatic massage? Dry brushing. Every day. Every day. In the morning or when are you doing it? Okay. Before shower. Yes. Okay. It's one of those things where I feel like a lot of people are confused, like they want to do it, but they don't know how, when, and which direction and like. Always up towards the heart. Okay. And then I just dry body brush, dry body brush all over. And recently I've been then applying my Nanyglow body oil all over before I have a shower because an Aravadic, like a friend of mine told me that that's like part of an Aravatic way to do it, to have the oil on before you shower.

and then do some after as well. So it just kind of like... That's a good tip. Seeps in when you're in the shower. And it's not, you know, it's kind of going in a little deeper. That makes a lot of sense. And I'm going to start doing that tonight. Yeah.

Especially in the winter. Yeah. Red light or cold plunge? Red light. I used to think cold plunge was like healthy. And then my acupuncherist advised against it. So now I really run into the red light. Yeah.

I think some people love it. but I think as women, we need to be a little more cognizant about what we're doing to like our cortisol levels. And I even heard somebody saying not just for women, but for men as well. Like if you're doing a cold plunge, especially after a workout, you don't want to get rid of that inflammation. You want the inflammation from the workout to build the new muscle. Yeah. I could be totally wrong. Like I know I'm going to get comments.

Yes, someone will say something. Yeah. That's okay. We're all learning. Yeah, yeah. But I do like cold plunge if I'm in like a panic. anxiety kind of feeling. That's one thing that like can snap it out. Maybe just for the face. Yes. Divers reflex. Yeah, just for the face. When you dunk your face in. Yeah, I do like that.

That's one way to do it without like, yeah, kind of the other side effects maybe as a woman. Coffee or macha? Coffee. Every day? Every day. Just one. But I know you start your morning with what. Lama mortar. Okay. It was Lama mortar and then I went and I just switched it up though. It was was lemon water and then it was and then it was celery juice and it was my coffee and then it was alo and then noni but now famous for this noni juice we need to talk about what it is only the noni i love my noni it's a superfood super fruit and i still do that and my coffee and the lemon water i've kind of simplified okay but you've done that since you were like a teenager right 13 okay now i'm 43 And what do you attribute to that?

Well, energy, vitality, antioxidants. It's rich in antioxidants, Noni. So it's very, you know, it's full of them. Vitamins, minerals. And I just feel like it's helped. Like when I was younger, my grandmother used to give me like a 30-mill every day. And so now I also give it to my kids. The six and seven ones, they don't really have it.

The baby likes it. Really? He has a little bit of noni every day. He's like, no knee, no knee? He just turned two. That's so cute. Yeah. They're going to have great skin. Yeah. Minimal makeup or full glam. Minimal. Pilates or strength training. Pilates. Morning, sunlight or evening walks? Morning sun. Night in or date night.

Oh. Well, can't date night be in? Yeah. Yeah. Good. Morning or nighttime routine? I love them both. I have more time of a night time after the kids are in bed. Although my husband's always like, what's taking you so long? Like this is the only time I get to myself. What is in your nighttime routine? Double cleansing. And I like to like dim the lights, put a candle on. My friend Holly Star makes candles. It's from this brand called Matter and Home and then like non-toxic. So I put that candle on. And so if I have a lot of time, I'll love to have a bath, but that doesn't happen that often. And so if I have a bath, then I have a different routine. But if I'm just having a shower, I get to, you know, double cleanse and then do my skincare routine in a way that's not so rushed like it is in the morning. And that involves our retinal alternative serum, which is amazing and people are obsessed with the results.

Even die-hard retinal fans, 80% of them said they got better results from using my retinal alternative. And what does it have, Bucciol? It's Bucciol, alfalfa extract, and assaye plant stem cells. Amazing. Yeah. So it really, like if you see the before and afters, the wrinkles are quite a dramatic. And also on the neck.

Because as we age, in 43, the neck is something that we need to really be aware of. Yeah. And contrast, I feel like the wheels start to fall off. Yeah. And so I really love that nighttime routine with the retinal alternative. And in the past, before I developed this product, my skin would get dry from using retinal. So I would just be like, I don't like it, but it doesn't get dry from using this. And you get like visible results.

So love that. And then I use my, so the moisturizer, I also use the minty mist, which I'm obsessed with. and then the face oil, and then the eye oil, sometimes the eye cream as well, but I'm obsessed with the eye oil. And then on top of that, right before I go to sleep, I put on my milky mushroom mask, it just locks everything in. It's like a sleepy mask, but you can also use it as a quick flash hydration treatment. And I lay on these two mats before I go to sleep. One is called health optimizing, and it's a cell regulation mat. And the other one is a Webber laser mat. So, So it has red light and laser.

And so I lay, like, I have both mats. What kind of laser? Just like really good for inflammation. And I have the same Webber, like that same brand, Weber Laser Watch, Webber Laser Hat and a Weber Laser Red Light mat for the whole body. Amazing. Yeah. So I really, I really do like the red light.

Yeah. I was just talking before you came to Maria Menunos. She was on before you. Oh, amazing. And she was talking about one of her favorite things is her red light. channel and she said that she stopped doing it for, what was it, like a year? That's her? And she noticed such a massive difference in like aging. And does she use it? Oh. Yeah. Does she use it on her face? Yeah. Because I'm not currently using. I only use the limer laser on my face. I do. I do.

It just, you know. Tiring, right? Yeah. You just have to hold it. Hold it. So many people ask me about that and I haven't personally tried it. But what I've heard is that it's like, yeah, it's effective. But you have to like go over the slow and you have to hold it and you have to be really consistent. Yeah. Yeah. So I actually had bought one like a while back and I was obsessed with it. And then I ended up doing a podcast with the founder and she sent me another one. So now I could save time.

Oh, amazing. Yeah. I wanted to do it like on my knees. Oh, great idea. You want to do that. You do the things that like women have to worry about. Yeah. As we age, get into our glory.

I know. Spray tan or natural tan. I must say I like a little, you know, a little bit of sun. Yeah, me too. A little vitamin D. Fasted or fed workout. Oh, fasted or fed? You know what?

I do both, but I normally have eaten a little something. Yeah. Okay. It's probably, you can probably go either way, but yeah. Yeah. Personally, I like to eat a little something. We'll probably come back to some of those because I want to get a little more detail. But I want to rewind and you've had such an amazing life and career. And I feel like beauty and wellness,

you know, they've always been your pillars, right? Like your life is rooted in those things. But when you think back to like your early days of modeling, what did beauty mean to you and what did wellness mean to you then? I was young. We'll talk about what it, like how it's evolved. Yeah. I was 14 when I won the modeling contest. and obviously school was the priority. So I made sure that I finished, you know, my education up until grade 12. And then after then, I moved to Japan. And I lived in Japan for a little bit.

And yeah, I was really happy to have had the kind of wellness as part of like my upbringing. My grandmother was the one who introduced me to Noni Juice. And I've been drinking that since I was 13. And I lived in Australia and a little bit of my life. little country town and she had a vegetable patch and we'd get the vegetables and she taught me how to cook and all of that. And then when I was also a teenager, my mom was sick and she got tumors in her spleen. And so that as a family really led all of us to dive deeper into everything that we were consuming daily. Obviously the foods we were eating, reading on the back of packaging, and then reading

all the labels on skin care, hair care, because our skin is the largest organ and what you put on sinks in, it's really important to be educated about those ingredients. And so we had this little book called The Chemical Maze and we would refer to it and just be horrified that, you know, there were so many potentially carcinogenic ingredients that were leading, you know, contributing to my mum's illness. So we decided to really go as clean as possible and clean wasn't even a thing back then. That was, you know, a long time ago. But this is what sparked my interest to make skincare because I wanted to make it for myself and my family when I actually made it and we got incredible results. I was like, okay, now I need to kind of make this for the world. But at the

time, my career was going so strong because this was back in 2006 was the concept that I wanted to create Cora. We launched in Australia in 2009. So it's been it's been a fun ride. I know. I heard you say that on another podcast and I was shocked because I think a lot of people attribute kind of the first celebrity led brand maybe to like Jessica Alba. You know, that was such a famous one with Honest. But I mean, you've had Cora from idea to inception and all that for 20 years, right?

Yeah. I mean, that's wild. And obviously we didn't launch in America until 2017. So because it was, you know, I was very focused on modeling and this was my passion project. My skincare line was really something that I, like I personally invested all of my money that I made from modeling. And, you know, I put all my eggs into one basket. And I knew that it was worth it because at the end of the day, when you can get transformational results without compromising your health, I knew that's what, people deserved, especially after our experience with my mom being sick. And like clean beauty wasn't

even a thing back then. No, it wasn't. It was definitely not a thing. And so we were searching for certified organic skin care. And I mean, people eat certified organic for a reason, right? There are more antioxidants. There are studies have shown there are up to 60% more antioxidants in a certified organic ingredient. And that's why, in addition to not having the synthetic pesticide sprayed on actual crops, then you're also in the final formulation, you're not having unnecessary filler ingredients that are potentially carcinogenic in there. And you're just getting pure, you know, certified organic skincare. So from day one, we've been certified by Ecoserk Cosmos, which is one of the world's leading organizations for, you know, and they're, you know, the strictest when it

comes to rules and regulations. And I wanted that because that's what I was looking for, products that was certified by them. And so I wanted to provide that for other people. And so people need to understand that this is not something that I just had an idea for and, you know, put my name on or did a licensing deal. This is actually my baby that I've grown and built and self-funded and, you know, helped create every single product with, of course, some of the best chemists in the world that I'm so excited that we get to work with because we just go back and forth and then I'm like, well, what about this? And how would this feel? And how would this feel on the skin? And let's try this. And what are the results? You know, for this, you know,

I love using ingredients that are superfoods. So many different superfoods that are in all of Kora's products. We have different products for different skin types as such and different issues. But they're all a powerhouse of antioxidants. And obviously, Noni is in every single product. It's like the foundation. And then all the products are filtered through rose quartz crystals to give that vibration of love. I love that you do that. So that's kind of like something I don't necessarily always talk about because first and foremost, you know, I want products that are super effective, give me the results I need and that are good for me and obviously good for the planet. We're a climate neutral brand as well. That's so interesting to hear you talk about that because

I would imagine that it's kind of the polar opposite of maybe the beauty tax. and rituals in the modeling world. What were some of the extremes that you saw when you were in that world? Because I just can't imagine, like, not only the pressure that you're under, the scrutiny that you're under, but also like the lengths that people go to to stay at the top or get to the top. Yeah. I mean, I lived in New York and have been part of the industry, as I said, from such a young

age and have lived with many different models from all over the world and worked with so many different models and supermodels. And I just feel like everyone has their own thing that they do. And I, you know, was very much always into health and wellness and taking care of, you know, yourself. And I feel like I probably wouldn't have been able to travel to the extent that I did and have the career that I had if I didn't take care of myself as well. like as I do and did. Yeah, I was always the one that was like, okay, you know, I'm going to go to bed now. I need to get up early in the morning. But actually, even my husband has gotten me into bed much earlier now, which is so much better for me. Yeah. I'm going to be saying that. Yeah. He, like I used to be a night owl,

but not even like night owl wanting to like go out and party, but just potter around the house because everything was so quiet. But now there's not much pottering going on. It's just, sleeping. Yeah. She's actually nice too. It's funny. You realize how influenced you are by the partner that you choose. It's such an important decision. It really is. In so many ways. But like even in those small ways, you know, like what they're eating and what their habits are and when they wake up and when they go to bed. The wake up and going to bed thing is like definitely something that we're aligned on. Like this morning I was up before I am because he had to be up because, you know, he was actually getting up at 5 a.m. But I woke up early at 4 a.m. and then I

I looked at the time and I was like, oh, he's going to be getting up soon. And then I was like, okay. So I just like snuggled in for another cuddle and next thing you know is time to wake up. And then I did my meditation and I did some yoga stretching and then my skincare routine. And then by that stage, the boys were up and yeah. And then I opened the windows and actually the light was quite beautiful. Even though it's been raining on and off, the light was still peeking through the clouds, so I got to enjoy that, which I think is really good for the circadian rhythm and for the kids to have, you know, that light touch their face in the morning. Yeah. It really is important. Yeah. We live in an environment that our biology was never designed for from EMFs to

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I think about what did we do when we woke up? Like when we were teenagers, and kids. I have these sweet nostalgic memories of being a kid and being a teenager and waking up and you can smell the fresh cut grass and the birds are chirping and the sun is peeking through your window. And like it's so, it's such a stark difference to now. And I think the whole thing was like, we weren't just getting up and like thinking about our email and our phones and everything. And I saw this study the other day that came out and it said that people's perception of time is changing because everyone's on their phone all day. So it's normal that as people age, they feel like time is going more quickly because a year when

you're 40 is different than a year when you're 10. Yeah. But when you're spending, I don't know, conservatively four to six hours on your phone every day, like that's time that you're not even present. Yeah. So you're experiencing the days like in such a compressed way. Yeah. So I love, I love that you are able to.

have that morning and have that for your boys as well, you know, because it's probably hard, especially with a teenager, to, like, not have screens involved yet. Yeah, well, I have, so his phone's connected to my phone. So I have screen time on his phone. So it goes off, so he's 15. And so he goes off at night. It was 9.30, but I just switched it to 10 because he's been having some homework that he likes to finish. And then it doesn't get turned back on until 7.15. And so 7. 7.15 in the morning. And that is only because he needs it for school. Yeah. Because they're using computers in school. Otherwise, it wouldn't be on. Yeah. I'd be like limiting it for an hour a day. Yeah. Yeah, it is something different to the way we grew up. I remember

growing up and I'd always have like sleepover with my friend and she would always want to wake up early. She was an early bird. My name's Lauren. And I would always be like, Lauren, just let me sleep in. We're teenagers. She's like, there's so much to get out and enjoy and do. Come on. Oh, God. I wasn't like that as a teenager either. No, I was like, just let me sleep.

And my teenager is like that on the weekend. Although he wakes up early on the weekdays. This year, he wanted to start meditating every morning at 6 a.m. And so he's being pretty consistent except for not on late days when he has a late day of school. Yeah, I've heard you talk about Vedic meditation. Yes. Is that the same as TM? Very, yeah, it's like you have a mantra.

Okay. It is given to you. You have a ceremony to get the mantra. Okay. Yeah, I started doing TM in 2018. And it was like so transformational to my life. And since I've incorporated different kinds of meditation as well, so I feel like I have different tools. But I loved hearing you talk about it.

And even when you're talking about business, you know, you've said that you have ideas that come to you intuitively. You can trust that intuition because you're so used to tuning into yourself. And I think that it's such a lost art today because we are so distracted. And sometimes, like I always say when I bring up meditation or I talk to guests about meditation, people just check out. I think so. Yeah. It's so important, though. It's just like for me, so like grounding and nourishing and something that I feel like I just.

don't ever want to be without. It's like a way to really connect with that deeper part of yourself. And so even my six and seven year old have their own mantra that they were given. And they, not as consistently, but they, you know, will often be like, okay, let's meditate. And the six-year-old does six minutes and the seven-year-old does seven minutes. Technically, the 15-year-old is only required, no, you know, to do 15 minutes. but he will sit and do 20. And his girlfriend now meditates too.

No way. Yeah, she just learned. That's amazing. So it's nice to be able to give children these tools so then they can have that solid foundation of knowing that whenever there's, you know, challenges in their life, they can really go back to their center and feel in themselves like what the right path is to, you know, to take or, you know,

I just feel like it's a way of connecting to your deepest self and also something bigger than yourself. So mine's like a way that I also connect to God, you know, through meditation and prayer. Yeah, I can't agree with that more. I feel like the prayer is kind of like the speaking to and the meditation is the listening. And I don't know where I would be without that because the rest of the day I'm distracted. I'm not always in my body. I'm in my analytical mind. And like, it's so hard to trust my decisions if I'm not also making that time to get really

quiet and listen. And everybody has that. So I'm curious, like, how that's guided you throughout your career. I know that it's guided you throughout your career with Cora. Was that something that you were doing when you were modeling as well? And if so, like, how did that help you in that time also? So I learned meditation when I was like, I guess I was 18. and that's when I started doing yoga as well.

But it wasn't TM. I wasn't Vedic meditation. It wasn't until, I think, Flam was two, that I learned Vedic meditation. So I've been doing it since then. But prior to that, I was just doing more of like guided meditations or, you know, Kundalini meditations with breathwork and stretching. And a lot of kind of visualization, a lot of prayer. you know, I have such great faith thanks to my grandmother who would just read the Bible to me

and I would ask the questions. And I think that was, I guess it was probably more prayer and faith-based more so when I was younger and then it's gotten, you know, a bit of both now, which is, which I feel is like really important to have both. Do you feel like all of that helped you or hindered you in your career prior, like when you were modeling because I feel like I could be totally wrong but from the outside I feel like you just have to be in this like grind mode all the time and be like a certain kind of personality almost to be able to push through I was working six days a week and averaging like two different

countries a week and I would only really take off Christmas because I told myself like this is a short-lived job so you've got to make hey well the sun shines that's what I was doing and really to embrace every opportunity because obviously compared to other jobs it is more of a short-lived profession. So I was doing my best and enjoying myself and but I really honestly, I was working out that I was enjoying it. I was never really, I didn't have any moments of feeling like I was pushing myself too much. I just was missing out. The thing that hurt me the most is that I was me seen out on like friends' weddings and special events like that. That was the compromise that I made to make sure that I was maintaining my career. Yeah. And it's amazing how you set yourself up to

have another career as well. I mean, you have a lot of different roles. You're a wife, you're a mother, you're a friend, you know, you're all of these things. You're also a business owner. I also designed teacups. You do. Did you know that? No, that wasn't in the... I wasn't in the brief. Yeah. And I've written two books. Okay. Yeah. So you have, you have so many different trades essentially. I love like to be able to express myself creatively. And I think through modeling, I was expressing myself creatively. That was a creative way to express myself like through the use of like, you know, like wearing, if you were doing fashion shoots and whatever, you take upon that like character. And that I remember working with Stephen Mazzal and just like, being,

in his presence was so incredible because he's a true artist. So working with creative people, like a new being and a part of that creative expression to create that final, you know, image, it just felt like it was like, that was really fun to be a part of the creative process with these people like through them, with the makeup artist and the stylist and when everyone's like involved in creating something, you know, magical. Being that modeling can be such a short career, I am sure that that would lend itself to like a fear of aging. But since you set yourself up in so many different ways and you have so many other passions and creative outlets, have you felt any of that? Like I know for me, for me going

from 20 to 30 was harder than going from 30s to 40s. Like 40, it was like nothing to me. I was excited. Yeah. But at the same time, like, we're women, we're scrutinized. where women living in L.A., you're very public-facing, you know, like former model, like all of these different things. What is your perspective on age right now? Well, I really feel like if you're feeling good in yourself, that's how I want to age, like feeling vibrant and healthy. And like I have the energy to run around with my kids and grandkids, hopefully one day. For me, It is a lot about how you feel energetically. And that's why I'm really into health is because I really love that 360 approach of like

feeling your best and having that kind of vibrancy as long as you can because I would be so sad to not have that while I'm living. I want to be feeling my best. And I remember even when I was pregnant with Flynn at the height of my career as a Victoria's Secret model. I obviously had to surrender what I was looking like and my body was growing in all different ways. And I remember feeling at peace with that and feeling like, you know what, if it doesn't come back, this is all being worth it because it's such a joy.

And yeah, and I obviously was, you know, using the Nanyglow body oil and all the areas, hoping that the stretch marks wouldn't like stay. I have to know. So like you do your best. But at the end of the day, I think my grandmother taught me so much about aging because she had quite a vibrant spirit. And as in Australia we say like she was like, she was quite like cheeky. I don't know if you say that here. She's quite like playful.

Playful, playful is the right word. And I feel like I'm hoping to be that, you know. And obviously I've said it before, but I really want to be a grandma with great skin because, you know, it doesn't, you know, I feel like there's so much we can't control, right? Like inevitably we're all going to age. But I feel like if I'm like consistent with my routines, at least it'll be, I'll be aging with good skin, with that good texture. Yeah, I feel like there's a misconception sometimes around women our age where people just assume

that if we're doing things, it's because we want to look younger. Yeah, exactly. And I've always said like... I want to have the vibrancy. Yeah, and I've been really open about things that I've done, like procedures and in-office treatments and whatnot. And I'm like, I'm not trying to look young. I think that's where people get into trouble, is if they're 40 trying to look 20. Yes.

It's like, I want to look the best that I can at my age now and in the future. And it's like skin is not just a vanity thing. It's an organ. It's an organ. Yeah, it's our largest organ. Yeah. And so I think that that gets overlooked. a lot. Yeah. So I love that you want to be the grandmother with good skin. Yeah. I'm going to

maybe be the old aunt with good skin because I don't think kids are in the carts for me. Oh, you never know. You never know. Yeah. And I just feel like when you're comfortable in your own skin, that does radiate. Yeah. And that to me is more alluring than anything that you see on the outside, you know. But you have a presence. Oh, thanks. I'm sure people tell you that all the time. But that's something that, like, you can only get through the inner work. Yes. You know, it's like, of course you're beautiful. But sitting here with you, like, you have a very grounding calm presence.

Oh, thank you. My husband says that too. Yeah, because you do. You really do. And that's like a testament to somebody having done a lot of work and exactly like you're saying, like being comfortable in your skin, knowing who you are, having that center. Yes. you can go to. Yes. And having like the spirituality. Like there are so many things I think we're so quick now in the beauty and the wellness world to look for the tangible things that we can take

or inject or drink or eat or whatever. Like whatever is the easy. There's a lot of noise. Yeah. And it's like if I always say like if there was a supplement that had like the effects that you could get from meditation mindfulness practice or something like people would be lined up, you know, someone would be like a trillionaire at this point. Yeah. But that's the work that like there's just no shortcut. There's no shortcut. It's literally for me that like the one thing, it's really the morning practice.

Obviously having four kids in a business, I don't get the pleasure of being able to do the afternoon practice. Yeah. Like I would if my situation was different. But I really, really honor that time in the morning so that then I feel like I have, I'm giving from a full cup, you know. And even my teacher said to me, like I said to her, you know, some days I don't get to that. I don't feel like I get to that deep space within myself where it's like blissful, right? But I have been there before. And she said, look, it's just like when you are going swimming, you might, sometimes you might go to the deep end and sometimes you're just in the shallow end.

And that's okay because your feet are still wet. And so I've now, you know, talked about that with my children and Flynn because Flynn has actually had the both experiences where sometimes he goes really deep and it's really blissful and other times, you know, his mind is thinking of all the things, which is natural as a human being. So I feel like if people are trying to meditate and they're feeling these thoughts and then they're like, well, I don't like it. But actually, those thoughts needed to come out. And so that's just a way of like de-stressing your body and you'll feel better after you've had those thoughts. But it's sticking with it and it's riding that wave that's so important. Yeah. Yeah, I remember when I did my course for TM, they were teaching us about

the internal and external. I don't remember what they called them like strokes or something of stress. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because sometimes you're fidgety. Sometimes it's your body that needs to kind of move around a little bit and sometimes it's your monkey mind. That's just going, going, going, going. And it's like the whole thing is to be non-judgmental, right? Non-judgmental. That is the one thing about meditation that I love so much. Yeah. because we're not the people. We're not here to judge. I'm not here to judge. I mean neither. I love that it just widens your perspective and it just makes you like curious. And also you be curious about people, not judgmental. Yeah. And you realize on a bigger level that.

we're all interconnected. Yes. So that really just means like we're all in this together. So we should be kind to, first of all, we have to be kind and gentle with ourselves and then kind and gentle with others. Yeah. Yeah. That's something that gets lost today, I think. Yeah.

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that I am not so consistent with. So it's not something I'm going to like, you know. Not non-negotiable. It's not a non-negotiable for me, but pure, clean water and I've had the water tested to make sure it's really good. Yeah, fruits like with veggies and produce and obviously skin care, certified organic skincare because what you put on your skin soaks in. and sunshine and obviously time with my loved ones.

Yeah, probably movement. So important as well. Like sometimes that's just a walk with the baby, you know, which is really fun, taking him in the pram or with a friend. And sometimes it's stretching, it's yoga. That's definitely something that I find so important, non-negotiable. So, yeah, movement. Ooh, sleep.

What time do you go to bed? It depends, but I really try to get in bed by nine. So if I can sleep seven hours, then I'm, I average about seven. Eight is like, wow. That's like I've had a sleep in. Or I got to bed really early. Yeah. Yeah, between seven and a half and eight is ideal for me.

And I'm an A blood type. I don't know if you know about blood type. I do, but I don't know what mine is. Oh, I've been down all the rabbit holes. Okay. What does that mean? What do you do differently? Apparently A blood types need more sleep. Oh. Yeah. Okay. So I'm going with it. I'm probably one of those. I'm like not functional. If I get less than some nights I get like six and a six six and a half like just it just happens. But then I need to like majorly make up for it. Do you find I find if I don't get enough sleep and then I do my meditation, I feel much better. Yes. I find the meditation to.

be very restoring. Yeah. Very restorative, energizing and cleansing. I get my main thing if I don't get enough sleep, if I get tired, I don't feel tired. I feel anxious. So it's almost like a wired, agitated kind of feeling. Yeah.

And usually the last thing I want to do in that state is meditate because it feels harder because my mind is really all over the place and my body is kind of all over the place. But, you know, the hardest thing about meditation is the discipline to actually sit down and do it. That's the hard part. Yeah. And then I just say, I'm like, okay, just putting the timer on. Okay. Sit. And I'm like, okay, good. Because otherwise, you can distract yourself for 20 minutes or you can sit and do your meditation. I can literally sit on my phone and 20 minutes will pass in like one minute. And I've gone down some weird rabbit hole. And you think that it's like, oh, well, I'm learning something because it's about

health and wellness. You know, because your algorithm is about health and wellness or kids. And you're like, actually, what did I actually? What did I actually? learn. Yeah. Now my algorithm is all figure skating right now. Oh, that is really all figure skating. Amazing. They know. My boyfriend texts me. He's like, the girl from the US won gold. I was like, oh my God. I got obsessed this season. I don't know why. It's also so beautiful and. Oh, my God. Elegant. I think I might start taking lessons. I'm like, it's 40 too old. You know, we would know, it's never too old. We just took up ice skating over the Christmas break and we really enjoyed it as a family. My husband's actually really good at it. Really? How are you?

I was a little more cautious. I think as a mother of four, I just don't want anything to get me off my feet. Yeah. And I saw a couple of people have some really, you know, bad falls. Yeah. And so I was like, I'm going to be a little more cautious. Whereas if I was younger, I feel like I wouldn't have felt that way. Yeah. Because I'm much more adventurous. And I was. just a little more cautious, but I was fine. I know. Well, I think when you're young and you learn, your center of gravity is so low. Yes.

You're really not, you don't have a lot of ground to cover when you fall, whereas when your age, it's like, well, I would think that you would have really good balance. I was a gymnast. Oh, and all the years of modeling. Oh, yes. And gymnastics. I mean. I do have really good balance.

Okay. That's one thing that was going for me with ice skating. Yeah. But I'm not going to be an Olympic medalist. Yeah. Not to disappoint you. That was not for me. I know everybody is going to want me to ask.

You've probably been asked this a million times. But how did you prep for like a Victoria's Secret show? Because I think it's so unimaginable to people getting up there. Yes. And doing that in front of the entire world. Yeah. Well, I was obviously a lot younger. Yeah.

So, you know, I was working out, I guess I was working out like six days a week. Mm-hmm. But I was enjoying it. But I was doing, I kind of was doing, was working out with a trainer named Justin Galbant and he like got me really ready. And I just kind of followed his lead. Sometimes we'd be doing skipping. Sometimes we'd be doing these little discs and things. Sometimes we're doing boxing.

Sometimes we were doing running up and down the west side highway, which was not one of my favorite things. And he knew that. I was not, for more like slow and steady. Yeah. And then you guys were doing the nony oil. Oh, the nony body oil all over our bodies to give that, like, beautiful glowing skin. What other tricks did they have? Everyone got a spray tan before the show.

And you can actually do a spray tan where they give you, like, abs. Contour, yeah. Contour, the abs. There was a saying when we were young, if you can't tone it, tan it. Exactly. So that's kind of like one of the things that a lot of us would do. Just get a little shady there. A little etching.

A little etching in the abs, especially after I have. had Flynn because I was wearing the fantasy bra. Yeah. And I'd just like not long had Flynn, I guess like six months after. Oh my God. So, and I was still breastfeeding. So yeah, that was fun. That's crazy.

Yeah. You must just get used to it though. Which part of breastfeeding? Like exposure therapy, just being up in front of so many people and people looking at you. Yeah. I mean, I just knew it was kind of like. surreal for me because I would never have imagined myself, if you said as a little kid that I'd be up there doing that, I would never have imagined that to be true, to be happening or in my future,

especially coming from the little town I came from. But I just was like, wow, okay, I'm just going to embrace it and have fun with it. And I like to, you know, I have quite a lightheartedness about me. So I like to be more lighthearted than serious about it. So I'm like, okay. So like one time my shoe came flying off and I was like, okay. And they like kept it in on the Victoria's Secret thing. And I'm just like walking with one shoe. And then one time in Milan, the shoe came flying off and actually went into the audience. That wasn't great. But hopefully everyone was okay. You do kind of have that cheeky playfulness. I can tell that your grandmother had. No, I mean, life is about like having fun. Yeah. You can't take it too seriously.

because I feel like having a sense of humor is so important. Yeah. Do you feel more confident now than you did then? Oh, yeah. In your peak modeling years? As a woman, as an individual, you know, and I feel like, obviously, going through childbirth was quite empowering as well. I can't imagine. I ended up on childbirth TikTok for a minute there.

Oh, yeah. I don't know why. And I was like, oh, my, the ring of fire? I'm like, what is this? Did you have that? Yes, with Flynn, when they told me about the ring of fire, I was like, this is like the fucking hula hoop of fire. Did you get an epidural?

No. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah, no, don't even talk to me. How do you even survive? I feel like. Your breath, breath, meditation, breath and prayer. Oh, my God.

Did you have a long labor? Yes. Flynn was 27 hours. Oh, my God. Yes. That is crazy. Women are amazing. Yeah, that was wild.

And then do you get amnesia after where, like, You must have some degree of to want to do it again. No, you didn't, I didn't forget. I just, I was like, no, no. I don't know what people are talking about. They forget. Ooh, the babies have forget. No, I remember.

I still tell him to this day. Oh, Flinny, you really. Oh, my God. Hula hoop of fire. Yeah, you're my little hula hoop over there. Oh, my God, I'm dead. Lucky he also has a good sense of humor. Yeah.

He's like, Mom, I don't want to hear it. That's so funny. Let's see. Where do I want to land the plane? Where do you want to land the plane? Yeah, I don't know. So many questions. You know my husband?

It's a pilot. Is he? Talking about landing the plane. No, I didn't know that. Yeah, he's a helicopter pilot and he's also an airplane pilot. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's so cool.

And he has like his instrument rating and. Uh-huh. Yeah. My boyfriend today was like, oh, my friend introduced them. I'm like, really? Ben? Ben? Yeah.

He didn't really introduce us. But Ben's a friend of ours. Okay, go. Yeah. Okay, let's see. Because we met at a work dinner. Oh, you done? Mm-hmm.

I was there for Louis Vuitton, and he was sat next to me in New York. That was 12 years ago this year. That's such a good meet cute. Yeah, it was very cute. I definitely was not looking. Really? No. That's always when it happened.

I was out of a relationship for a year with Orlando, and I was just, like, totally happy to just be chilling. Yeah. And then he was sat next to me. and his last name is Spiegel. And there was literal fire going like between us. No way. Like the candles were catching on fire with the, well, that passion, you know, you couldn't hide it. It was lighting the flowers on fire.

No way. Yeah, we had to put it out multiple times. And then how soon after did you get engaged? How long were you guys dating for? That's a good question. I guess we were dating. So after that, that was like a slow burn for us to even start dating. We just started talking on the phone and stuff like that.

And then I guess I was engaged for how long, two years? Or no, maybe with him two years, and then engaged for one more year. So like after three years together, then we got married. And now this is year 12. What's the secret? Still going strong. I would say it's important to obviously communicate your feelings as a woman, but in a way that's not like blaming or criticizing.

Just like if he says something that upsets me, I'll just be like, ouch, that kind of hurt. Can we try a different way? Or it would feel better if you said it this way. Like I hear what you're trying to say, but it would feel better for me if you said it this way. So there's no like blaming or criticizing him.

It's more saying this is how what's resonating for me and it would feel better if. And by the way, we could do a whole other podcast on dating advice because it's one of my favorite subjects. Like, wait a second. How much time do you have? That's good to know. Well, maybe when my studio is done.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I have so many more things that I want to ask you. But I guess I just love your perspective and your approach to life and beauty and wellness so much. if you could tell the women in the audience one thing that you would love for them to start doing today, what would it be? I feel like education is so important. So just like reading the back of like the products that they're using and just educating themselves on, you know, on how unnecessary some of those chemicals are. I think that education is so key to learning and growing. And I feel like

I'm learning and growing every day and I'm still there, you know, looking at the supermarket on the back of the packaging and things like that. And I really truly believe that health is wealth. So if we take care of ourselves and honor our body and do the right things, then we will feel better and be more energized. So just like, yeah, try to educate yourself and make decisions that feel in alignment for you. And I'd probably say, yeah, probably important. to find something that works for you where you can have like, it might not be meditation. It might be something that gives you that similar kind of Zen space for 20 minutes. Like I spoke to someone the other day and they didn't necessarily meditate, but they sat in a quiet

room for 20 minutes, but they weren't doing a mentor on meditating. So they gave themselves that time or another friend I know will like sit in a church, but they're not meditating, but they're just kind of being. So find something where you can like be with yourself to kind of get in touch with that inner voice. I love that. Well, tell everybody where they can find you and find Cora, of course. Yes, so Coraorganics. And obviously Instagram on Cora, Cora Organics. And where else? That's it? Or Miranda. You can follow me and Miranda Kerr as well. We'll link everything and shown us. Yeah. Thank you so much. I hope you enjoyed that episode. If you liked the episode, and if you like the show in general,

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