Well with Arielle Lorre - 457: How to Build Great Style & The Secrets Behind Hollywood's Best Dressed Women with Celebrity Stylist Erin Walsh

Episode Date: May 13, 2026

Erin Walsh is a celebrity stylist known for working with some of Hollywood’s biggest stars, including Anne Hathaway, Selena Gomez, Sarah Jessica Parker, and Mindy Kaling, and the author of The Art of Intentional Dressing.She joins the show to talk about the psychology of personal style, what really goes into creating iconic celebrity looks, and why fashion is far more impactful than people give it credit for. Erin shares how she approaches styling A-list clients, the differences between dressing someone for a press tour versus a single red carpet, what preparing for the Met Gala actually looks like behind the scenes, and the fashion “rules” she thinks are outdated.We also dive into her CREATE method and how to build a wardrobe that reflects how you want to feel, where to start if you feel overwhelmed by your closet, how to curate chic travel outfits, the importance of great undergarments, and the trends she’s loving — and avoiding — right now. This episode is full of practical advice for anyone wanting to feel more confident, intentional, and elevated in the way they get dressed.Want more Erin? Visit her at erinwalsh.com, where you can also pick up her book, The Art of Intentional Dressing, available on her website and through all major retailers. For even more style inspiration, follow her on Instagram at @erinwalshstyle.This episode is brought to you by:Visit ProlonLife.com/BLONDE to get 15% off their 5-day nutrition program.Save 15% off my favorite Red Light Mask from BON CHARGE by using code BLONDE at www.boncharge.com.Go to fatty15.com/WELL and use code WELL at checkout for an additional 15% off their Starter Kit.Head to paleovalley.com/well, or use code well at checkout for 15% off your first purchase.Go to vuori.com/well for 20% off your first purchase. Try LMNT and get a free sample pack when you go to drinklmnt.com/well. Visit timeline.com/WELL20 to get up to 39% off your Mitopure Gummies. This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Well, a podcast about wellness in all its forms. I'm Ariel Laurie and each week I'm sharing unfiltered conversations with people shaping how we feel, live, and look. Come for the substance, stay for the honesty, and leave with the tools to be well, inside and out. I have to say I was so beyond honored and kind of geeking out over my guest today. I have followed her for so long and I've been such a big,

of her work when it comes to styling. So it was kind of surreal to be able to sit down with her and talk about her new book, The Art of Intentional Dressing, which completely changed how I get dressed in the morning and how I feel about myself throughout the day. But we will get into all of that in the episode. But also to hear about what it's like styling celebrities and what goes into something like a press tour. She just did all of Anne Hathaway's looks for the Devil Wears Prada too. Or. what goes into the Metball and how she works with some of the biggest names in Hollywood. From, like I said, Anne Hathaway, to Selena Gomez, to Sarah Jessica Parker, so many more in her repertoire over the years.

She's become known for creating looks that feel incredibly chic, modern, and personal rather than just trend-driven. And in this episode, we get into what actually goes into building iconic red carpet and press tour looks, the psychology behind personal style. She's really into psychology, which is so fascinating to hear how she marries the two, and why fashion is so much more than something superficial. So we talk about how she approaches styling A-list clients by focusing first on how they want to feel. The differences between styling a one-off red carpet like the Oscars versus an entire press tour, what prep for something like the Met Gallo really looks like behind the scenes and the fashion rules that she thinks are outdated. we also dive into her create method, which is such an approachable framework for building personal style in a way that feels authentic and empowering. Whether you have an overflowing closet or you feel like you have nothing to wear, there are so many tangible takeaways in this conversation

from closet edits and chic travel outfits to the underrated importance of great undergarments. I loved this conversation so much. She had such a presence and I cannot recommend her book enough. I'm going to link it in show notes so that you guys can go out and get that. Please enjoy Erin Walsh. I was like, okay, but how do I want to feel? Yeah. Not horrible. Right, but that's not good enough.

You got to take it. No, no. I was like, I want to feel comfortable, aligned, and like empowered. Okay. And how do you feel now? All of those things. Yeah. Yeah.

I find sometimes like you choose them and then in the day, like, because of what's still going on, it's not like you choose that. You're like on autopilot for the rest of the day. You keep reconnecting with those words. Yeah. Like that's how I am. That's who I am. That's how I want to feel. Yeah. And especially like for me, my schedule's been so chaotic lately that like I keep reconnecting to those, those words. And it's like this magic portal. Yeah. What were your three words today? Yeah, literally just know been. So today when I woke up, I actually got a great night's sleep for the first time in a really long time. So I was very excited about that. I woke up feeling rested, which is shocking, grateful because my book came out in the world and that feels very wild. And I felt peaceful. This was a good morning. And I felt excited because I had a couple interviews coming to you that I was excited to do. So I felt excited. That was four. But it was good morning. But I knew right now, like, I'm really keen to put. a calm inspiring message out in the world so those those were a part of my words i wanted to feel

inspiring i wanted to feel calm and i wanted to feel elegant and i maybe had a fourth word today which was a little effortless but but like my my compass was rooted around this calm and this inspiring energy of like clarity that i want to put out there so you're definitely doing that you have a presence and i'm not just saying that i feel like i'm very attuned to like energy i'm very sensitive to it and And sometimes I come across people and you just can feel their groundedness. Yeah. I feel like you have that. Yeah.

For sure. I think it becomes easier to read energy when you listen. When what? When you listen? Instead of just like jumping into who you think they are. This goes into what you wear. Like instead of dressing for how you want people to see you, thinking about how you want to feel. And in an exchange with somebody taking a moment and listening to them, what are they actually saying?

like how might they be feeling when? Not to say that you can guess your way into someone's psyche, but like just a presence and being present is a huge gift to any interaction. Yeah, I agree. And it's such a paradigm shift to go into something instead of thinking like, how am I going to dress for this occasion? To your point about kind of guessing like, okay, how am I going to feel? And then deciding like, who do I want to be?

Well, do you know where people get so confused? And another reason when people go crazy about shopping is for special events. Because it's all of a sudden, like, when they have a special event, whether it's a wedding or a trip or a gala or whatever it is, they feel like they need to be somebody else or like be at the level of everybody else. And they totally lose track of themselves and how they want to feel. And that's when people buy the weird dress that they feel very strange and on the party or they pack for a trip like a character and a movie they saw and it doesn't resonate with how they want to feel. It's that disconnection. And that's where people get lost and confused.

So that's why your compass always has to go back to how do you want to feel. I do that all the time. I panic by all the time when I have something last minute. And it's always a splurge. You know, I can never find something reasonable. And then I buy something that like I think is going to be right. And then I never wear it again. And yeah, it's so.

It is. But there's a way out. And you can sell those things or donate them. Well, yeah. If you have the luxury to do that, I donate those all the time. Yeah. Yeah. If it's not working for you, give it offer it.

It's like a nice little offering to somebody else in their lives and what might serve them. And you say that we should potentially go through our closets, what, like four times a year? I think that's a good baseline. I probably, given what I do, I probably do it even more than that. And I even find it to be therapeutic on a Saturday or Sunday taking an hour to just like pull out this or that. I genuinely find it to be calming. I know a lot of people won't feel that way. But the idea of every day, you know, asking yourself this question.

and then in terms of clean out, doing that quarterly, and maybe like the once a month check-in, just to see where you are, it doesn't have to be this cumbersome all-day activity. The idea of doing this and consciously committing to it is a sign to yourself that you matter and that you're committing to yourself and your growth and your connection with your best self. So, yeah, the quarterly, I don't want people to get scared by that because a lot of people, even the idea of like going and looking in their closet in general seems really scary and they don't like it in there and it makes them feel bad. So like the more you do it, the easier it is. It's like a muscle that you're engaging that you're comfortable with yourself. And when you're not,

you have to ask yourself, why am I feeling uncomfortable? Why is this not resonating with me? How is this not in alignment with who I want to be and what I want to put out there? And it becomes this continual excavation on the path to clarity where you get vulnerable with yourself about what works for you and what doesn't and why. I have found in the making of this book and in the making of this method, that the metaphor of like the closet in our clothes, it's so deeply aligned with like how we look at ourselves and how we choose to walk in this world. And when you look at it from that perspective, it just not only does what you wear become more intentional, but how you move and operate in the world every day becomes more intentional and more in integrity with the very

best version of you that you want to put out there. Yeah, I just think it's so beautiful how you marry all of those things because I think that, you know, some people tend to look at, you know, fashion or clothes as vanity, right? Or superficial. It's a story we've been told forever. Yeah. I was inspired by a lot of fabulous ladies growing up from my grandmother to my mom, but I think the general, you know, story out there is that fashion is a luxury. Fashion's not for me. Like, I don't get fashion. Fashion makes me feel bad about myself. Or, you know, even like trends. Like, I don't understand it. They make it sound scary and like something. If you're a person who is of substance, you don't care about fashion because that's not for you.

You care about what matters. But what matters the most, how you operate and how you are in this world? And all the tools that will help you do that every single day, of course matter. They're essential. So fashion's not a luxury. It's something we all get dressed every day. It's not a choice. It's something that we do.

So, of course, getting intentional about it makes your life better, makes you feel better. It's like, what was that line in the first Devil Wears Prada with the Surruly? with the cerulean when she goes up on that whole tangent, right? Girl, you mean in terms of like there was a which, which one are you? I know. I'm trying to remember. I should have looked it up before this, but it was when it was a scene where somebody was talking about how fashion is kind of frivolous. Somebody made like an off comment about the blue or something. And then she launches into this whole thing about all of the ways that were influenced by fashion. Well, what's interesting, there's that

monologue, which of course is extraordinary. Marrill Street is, is, oh. I love her. But there's also the monologue from Nigel where he talks about fashion is art and like the idea that what you wear represents who you are to the world every day. Like it or not. So getting intentional about it just makes, of course it makes your life better and it makes you feel more alignment. It's already happening. I want to ask you how you landed on this philosophy because you've had quite the trajectory from where you started to where you are now. And I know that, you know, you're always interested in psychology, right? And it's, And it's incredible how you've been able to weave that into your career.

But was this always your philosophy and your method from the beginning? Or is it something that you honed throughout your years of working in fashion? I think it's a chicken and the egg thing. And when I knew I wanted to make a book, it wasn't like I knew exactly what was going to be in the book. The book came from this quest to unpack the question and solve it, why all these famous women I was working with and these women that I would meet or know would have this relationship with getting dressed that it made them feel bad about themselves. And I knew that didn't have to be the case. And I was like, how do I solve this? I didn't know I was making a method. What I learned in

making the book and making the method was that I had been doing and working this way for a very long time. And that came from this deep, rooted desire inside of me that I wanted to delineate the substance behind the style. I knew there was something deeper there. I wanted to unpack it. And it also very much came from a place of all these years working, you know, red carpets and with celebrities and everybody thinks that's fun and silly and, you know, fabulous. But I knew there was something bigger happening. And I wanted to really, number one, I want to live a life of substance and integrity and purpose and passion and all the things that are big and beautiful. I've always wanted to live a big and impactful life. And so in the uncovering and unpacking of that, everything started laying out before.

for me in Technicolor. I was like, oh, this is what I've been doing and this is why it works. And this is why that person feels great and this is why it resonates. And even in the making of the method of the book and the essence, which is, of course, how do I want to feel? How do I want to feel today and tomorrow? But the method being the create method, which I made, that was, it was something, yes, I have been wanting to do this, but really laying it out that happened in Technicolor during COVID when I had time to be more still. I had time to think about my life from what was working and how I could better live and work in alignment. And the second I started doing that and operating both at work and at home from this place

of integrity and intention, everything expanded and got better. Can we talk about the create method a little bit? It's in your book. So obviously, everybody go out and buy the book, but just kind of a truncated version. So create, I came up with, I knew that I wanted the book to be, just like people listening to this podcast or watching, I wanted the book to have. just be so full of takeaways that were so easy to understand and so accessible. And so for everybody.

This book isn't, again, talking about fashion as luxury, this book is for everybody. And it is made that way. The Create Method, I knew I wanted to make an acronym because I like that, you know, you can just take it with you and it feels so digestible. And I loved the word create. It was funny. It was bigger than me. I sat down.

It was my friend's birthday. I was waiting for her at a cafe downtown. And I just wrote in a vertical line, the letters. of create. And the first things that I wrote out became like what I was. And it wasn't like I just made them up because all these things, the steps of create, the first letter C is for clarity, getting clear on who you want to be and how you want to feel. We know that.

Ritual is what are the means to do so. That's the second step. And that is before you go to your closet, you find the means, whether that's movement, mantra, meditation, sent, the steps to reconnect yourself with your body because you can't put clothes on your body until you feel like you're in alignment with it. the E, the editing part of create, is editing. So you go in your closet and you touch and you feel and you get to know every single piece and you give it three words.

How does that piece make you feel? Anything that doesn't resonate with you, it's got to go. Like it doesn't have a purpose in there. Alignment is like a little bit more advanced. It's learning your body systems, your nervous system, your chakras, like everything from feng shui and texture and color and how they make you feel. So literally on a visceral level, you start to understand how your choices in your clothes affect how your body feels, which is smart. The T and the create method is truth. We tell the story of

who we are every day. It's the world, like it or not. So getting intentional about that will help you do so. And the final word is expansion. And I love expansion because it's the idea that we keep growing and that we are here to grow and change and evolve. And so by choosing to expand, that's your commitment to yourself every day to do this practice and to decide when you look in the mirror that you matter and that you're not the same as yesterday or tomorrow. You've got to keep expanding and growing and asking yourself the hard questions and the fun soft ones too they go together because with the first step clarity that's all about vulnerability and getting real with that person in the mirror and it's like a lot of people when they go in their closet they don't know all the

people that are in there anymore they don't know how those then that's why it's it just feels bad and maybe a lot of those pieces don't fit and they don't like that they gained weight or their body doesn't feel the same and that feels uncomfortable and scary or your life is changing all the time but vulnerability comes with this question it's step one and it will like get you super clear on how you want to feel. Have you received feedback either from clients or people who have read the book and implemented this method with just like crazy things happening in their life? Because I feel like it's so aligned with manifestation too, right? And you're getting clear on yourself. And when you are even just thinking of the three words in the morning, when you have that intention,

you kind of consciously and subconsciously are working and moving in that direction. They're setting the parts in motion. That was the other thing with this book. It was during COVID. that I became obsessed with manifestation, not because I, for so many reasons, I just became obsessed with the idea that life can be magical and I wanted to find ways to tap into my magic and to offer that. So manifestation and alignment choices became so tied to that quest. And I'll be sitting at the dinner with my husband. I'm like just looking over the responses and really even on Instagram and social media, like the responses from women sending me videos with their three words and like, this has changed my life because of this.

Or my daughter saw that I was doing this. And I was so, like, the ripple effects of it. And that's always been the point is like, you change this and then this and this and this becomes better and it changes. No, the response has been so humbling and joyful and wonderful. And I can't wait to see more because it's so much bigger than me. And I wanted to make this book as a movement. So when I see that, I can see it moving.

And I can see people's lives changing. and that was always the point. I think that people might initially hear like fashion, and if they're not a quote-unquote fashion person or they're not interested in style, they might just think, oh, that's not for me. But like it really is so universally relatable and practical for everybody to do.

It's practical, it's universal. And I know I was really conscious of this being a stylist who works with many very famous people that people might even look at me and be like, well, she only dresses the famous people. What does that have to do with my life? So it's very conscious the accessibility and the idea that I'm talking to everybody. Like it's not just about the red carpet.

It's like that intentionality with every kind of woman because like it's not just about the women who are in New York City with us or L.A. or wherever. It's all over our country. It's all over the world. And every woman and man is well for that matter, but my expertise is mostly with women. So I tend to speak to women. And we all deserve to like be connected to our purpose and our power and our potential. And this being a means to do so, like, amen.

Like that's what I want. It's so much bigger than me. And it should and has to speak to everybody. It shouldn't feel alien or weird or even too fashion. Like for a mom who has a new baby that is barely making it out of the house in the morning, how can these choices help her so she doesn't feel slovenly or disconnected from our body? Or, you know, not enough for herself or her family when she looks in the, mirror. Those things matter. That's where we reconnect with our purpose when we feel smaller,

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That's paleovalley.com slash well and use the code well at checkout. If somebody is starting at that point where they feel like they don't have anything in their closet that represents who they want to be or how they want to feel. I've been getting a lot of those. I'm sure. That feedback from people. Where do they start? Because I know that you don't prescribe a certain wardrobe for every single person. For one person it might be like I'm jeans, t-shirt.

Like it's so many of these turtlenecks. Like very simple. And then I love like statement coats. Like boots. Those are the things that make me feel like my powerful self and who I want to be. And for you, I'm sure it's different. You mentioned like chunky shoes. No, a lot of women I know they can't wear a heel to work.

They feel disconnected from the ground. So it's your relationship. The reason why when I made a book that had to do with style or style was a big part of it, I didn't want to make a book that was like, these are the 10 pieces you need to buy. Because to be honest, I think there's so much information out there, like being thrown at us all the time in terms of trends, in terms of this is working for this person, should it work for me? And that's also a way that we start to feel disconnected and untethered. I think like what you need to do is to start with three pieces in your closet that you feel great about.

And what's funny is whether I ask people that question or the question, what are three things about your body you feel great about? Not everybody's ready to answer it right away, which is also telling. I don't want anybody listening to this to all of a sudden get the feeling like that they have nothing, like that they have to start from zero. You're not starting from zero. And in your closet, even at a baseline, if three pieces, are okay with you and you feel fine.

Unpack why? How does this make you feel? And if that's your okay baseline, you'll know how to start exploring from there. But if you look at it from the lens of how you want to feel, then you'll understand if your favorite go-to is that turtleneck. Like why does that resonate with you? I'm curious.

It's comfortable. I like how it looks on camera. Yeah. I'm on camera a lot. It provides contrast because I'm a low-contrast person, something I've learned from social media. Thank you. I don't even know what that is.

I'm seeing myself. Well, okay, so you're blonde. I don't know if you find this, but I find that sometimes in certain sets and certain lighting, I can have like newscaster makeup on. And like if I'm wearing white or something light, it completely gets lost. And I just look like I. So interesting. I'm going to have to research this after. Low contrast. Like low contrast features. So like blonde with fair skin, light eyebrows or eyelashes and light eyes. You have an angel face. Thank you. So do you. Yeah. And like that aura. But I just know, like, I'm aware of how it looks on camera. So I have to be cognizant of that.

So I'm like, okay, black provides contrast. It's so comfortable for me. I feel like it goes with, I don't know, any kind of bottom. I don't know. I'm like Steve Jobs, like with the turtle does all the time. No, but that's smart. That's a choice that you know how you feel when you do it. And so, like, for you to be that person every time, that's a conscious choice.

And that's why that works. Or T-shirts. I also know that I love like tailored. structured, but also kind of like sexy with an edge, but simple. Yeah, there's an element of clarity and empowerment to what you're describing too. I think anybody, start with the three pieces. Use that as your baseline and start with those questions. And then it will become clear the feelings that you want to feel. You can start investing around that. But I would not be surprised if anybody listen, even if they think they have

nothing in their closet, there's going to be some things in there that you forgot about that maybe do serve you and the person you want to be. And they didn't serve the person you were. Like, it goes both ways. That's why I keep everything. You would be appalled. Don't do that. I was just telling Casey before, I'm like, I keep certain things I give away. I donate jeans, t-shirts, things that I know I'm not wearing anymore. But like designer, I'm just like, I hold on to it and I go back and I actually do wear things again from like eight years ago. Do you know, there are women who have like archives of stuff. And that's how I guess that's, I am. I have like rolling racks in storage. But if you feel like you are not clear in your closet,

you might have to reassess your relationship with holding on. Yeah. No, I have like my primary closet, which is things that I know that I'm wearing all the time. And then there's, of course, sentimental things. And I know that, you know, you advocate for holding onto those things, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're not here forever. So if there is something that transports you to your relationship with a person and that's helpful to you, yeah, I'm not going to judge that. When you are working with somebody for the first time, what is that process like? How does that start? I always start with that. Well, I start with that. Like, how do you want to feel? With people I work with, especially for red carpet stuff, there's a lot of other factors of play. Like, what are you trying to

achieve with this project? How do you want to be seen? Like, what are we trying to line up for you in terms of other opportunities that also serve this person you want to be, whether that's like brand opportunities, which you want to be in alignment too. So centered around that question. I also get deep into like, what don't you feel great about? What body parts don't you feel great about? Like I think designers is always a relevant question, but that's helpful for me to understand because I know the feelings that certain designers offer in terms of vibes and stuff and like and how that how that can work. But number one, we always start with how do you want to feel and what don't you feel so great about? And that's a vulnerable question, but it's super important. And then are you involved with like hair, makeup? I mean,

yeah, building the entire look. Like you just did the press tour for Devil Wears Prada too. I can't even imagine. You have to, like, how long does that take to prepare for that? It takes a long time. And it's kind of like this thing we have with our closet. It's not like, we do like a fitting or two. And it's locked in forever. Things are always changing.

We don't like, and by the way, women, our bodies change all the time. So you might think something's going to be great on Tuesday. And you wake up feeling like, ugh, that strappy dress, I'm not the mood for that. So you have to, I always try to provide a certain amount of flexibility and compassion and room to grow with with clients. with these sort of things too because with the people I work with they're the ones having their picture taken and having these moments like be set in time as touchstones right so it's not up to me to just be like you should wear that designer today because I think you should that's not the point it's like what makes you feel great and like you're your best effing self and like you want to

look back in 10 years and remember this moment that way that's the point so I there's got to be a certain amount of flexibility and agility there for sure do you find that some people just have more of an innate sense of themselves and fashion and all that and other people. Totally. And, you know, I've worked with everybody from preteen girls to women in their, I guess, in their 60s. And, you know, so like in terms of someone's baseline and their, even their relationship with themselves, everybody's starting from a different point. And some people don't even really get to know themselves in their body and how they understand it until much, much later. So I think some people have more of a confidence or like more of a ability to

commit to something and some don't. And it's not good or bad. It's just like trying to meet someone where they're at and what they need, you know, because that's why I always say that I'm a fashion therapist. I'm like trying to deeply see someone and how they feel and how they want to feel and how can I be of service to that and guided and supported along the journey. I feel like it's such a different approach than most stylists. And that's not another stylist. Do you know what? There's so many talented stylists out there who all operated this from different ways. I do see whatever someone's means of doing it. There's like there's so many stylists I admire.

I could give you a very long list. But I think it's about what works for you. At a heart of it though, I would, I think pretty much anybody dressing somebody for these occasions has to look at that question though. How do they want to feel? Because it's deeply relevant whatever your means to execute that. is. Yeah, and I would imagine that that would be different across different occasions too. Like Ann Hathaway, for example, on the press tour versus at the Met Gala, right? Different assignment. Yeah, totally different assignment. What is that process like if you can share

it at all? The Meta, like how long in advance are you planning for that? The Met's always planned very long in advance because, and the Met say as opposed to a film premiere or the Oscars, it's very much a designer's night. It's a fashion night. So you really have to honor the vision of the designer and how they want to tell that story. So that's where you start there. Whereas for the Oscars, it's about the actors. So like how can the designers work to tell their story? That's a different assignment. She's been looking incredible lately. I know everyone's calling it her Renaissance. I'm like, but she was always. I know. That's what I say. Always amazing. But it's a more grown up, more like embodied version of herself.

That's kind of what she's putting out there. I was shocked because I'm staying at, the Greenwich and that was like the Chanel house I found out yes I know I know gotta love that good for you well because I got there Sunday I saw some celebrities I saw Asap Rocky and I saw oh Jenny and then I saw I met too oh matthew yeah I saw him and that was like my starstruck moment I love what he's putting but it was crazy to see like the days leading up to it yeah just the place was teeming with stylists and hairstylists and photographers and makeup people and assistants. And even my boyfriend was like, God, these people work so hard, like around the clock for this one moment, you know, like, and obviously it's huge and the whole world is seeing it.

I love that you just said that, though. That's very true. That's very true about the creatives in our industry. But that's what I'm asking people to ask of themselves. Why wouldn't you work very hard to care about yourself? Not to say that it should be hard, but when you bring the intention into it, like, it's going to work better. It's going to be better. It's going to feel better. You're going to feel better. What is your take on trends? I am totally aware of them. I think, like, that's part of my job. I would be like a little bit not qualified if I didn't pay any attention to them. I do think it's totally great to look at new things and what's emerging and to try it on. You can even do that in the safety of your own closet. But don't just.

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Are there any trends or things that you see on social media? I feel like you're very open to everything. So I kind of can anticipate the answer. But is there anything that you see that you're just not a fan of? Okay, this is weird. I just, I can't. Maybe a couple red eye exceptions, but I can't wear like sweats on a plane. I like to dress off the plane.

Okay, what are you wearing on a plane? Are you jeans? I will wear jeans or some kind of pants, always pants. You won't fit me any dress on a plane. But yeah, I'll wear some kind of pants with a tea and a blazer and a sweater to put on, like pretty much always. Even on a long haul. Yeah, and I don't change. You don't change. No, no. I also don't like changing in those bathrooms. It feels more like a chore than a luxury. Yeah, it's kind of gross. I pack my sweatpants and I change on the plane. I've done it. I keep trying to like do it. I'm like, no, I'm not going to go.

there. I like that though, because I feel like that just speaks exactly to your philosophy. And it's like you don't want to be the sweatpants person. Totally. I keep finding, like I've had so much travel lately and I'm more tired than ever. And I kept finding that every day using this method, I could be dragged out of my head. I'm woken up at two in the morning. And I would go back to these questions, Erin, who do you need to be today? How do you want to feel? And it would recalibrate me. It was shocking. And not to say that like I wouldn't still be tired. that day like duh there's not enough coffee in the universe for some days and that's okay but i was shocked like i would walk into a room and people would be like wow you look so together i'm like i had to i had to get

through this day like we got to do this like we're here for this to rise to the occasion and the occasion being that every day you matter like get intentional every single day i love that and i think that's not just for the oscars yeah i mean i know a lot of people especially after covid kind of work from home or work hybrid and I know for myself because I do as well or I work in my office alone, you know, and everything is done like on Zoom drives me crazy unless I'm in the studio, which I love. I do find that if I am like wearing my workout clothes all day, which I kind of do too often, I just don't feel like I'm creating. It's like you didn't start the day.

My output is not as good. But I will say there are some excellent loungeware options that I love, but I like to be in touch. So when I get home, end of the day, I change immediately because I like to demarcate the day and like acknowledge to myself that that part of the day is over. I'm present with my family in this way. But I think people forget you have, you don't have to, but it's more fun. It's more enjoyable to be intentional about what you wear to work out, intentional about what you wear when you go home.

Intentional about your PJs. I interviewed an intuitive floor day for the book. And she told me she wears only pressed pajamas every night. And I was floored. And then we talked about like getting intentional about underwear and all of it. And it was just like if every single thing is intentional and matters to you, like how much more magnetic is your life and your embodiment of yourself in it? But yeah, she wears pressed. So she's PJs, which I kind of started doing. And I'm very amazing. And that totally tracks. Like I can see that. Her understanding of the body and energetically what resonates and why I found to be fascinating and just exhilarating. I love that idea, though, of delineating the day. Yeah. And like having a boundary there. Because again, if you're working at home or even just we're also connected now. So we can just be on our phones. We can be in our email.

We can be working nonstop. And to have some kind of boundary where it's like that that part is over. Totally. And it's not to say that like there won't be an evening where you know, you have to look at your phone and answer an email or whatever. Or like, you know what? Like compassion is a big part of this because it's not like I'm getting home and putting on a ball gown. It's like, no, just that color top.

and that texture of that flores that makes me feel calm and I still feel like maybe a little bit elegant but also soft and safe. Like I got rid of any oversized baggy T-shirts out of my, like that kind of thing. Just didn't resonate with energetically how I want to feel. You can do this over time too.

Like I know a lot of people get overwhelmed by the idea of like looking at their closet and going nuts. Like start little by little. And if you're loving it, go at it. But the whole point isn't to make you. anybody feel bad about themselves or what's in their closet. It's like starting this journey. And how do you do that every day? Do you have any other little hacks or tips like that?

I do think one thing that I've discovered in this is like when you find the three pieces that work, you need to take a selfie. I advise people to take a selfie of their outfit every day and to start keeping a catalog, not because they need to post it on Instagram or whatever, but just so they start remembering how things resonate with them and what feels good and what didn't. Because it might be that in the morning, you picked out a red, you know, sweater or whatever it is. And you thought that would make you feel joyful and, you know, strong or something. And then later during lunch, after you had a meeting that, like, you had to get through, you're like, that didn't work at all. I didn't feel like my joyful self. I felt silly. So just so you start tracking what's working

and what isn't, because then you're shorthand with yourself and your closet and what works, it's going to become, like, it's that muscle that you're training. So like having a captured photo library is going to really help. I feel like that helps for packing as well. Totally. You're like, oh, that one. Or this trip. I want to feel this great. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Okay. Making life easier. Yeah. Yeah. It's uncomplicating things. Thank, thank goodness. Yeah. Okay. I want to ask you some rapid fire and some this or that. Okay. Let's do this or that first. Vintage or brand new? Probably brand new. Sorry. I love it. Quiet luxury. or maximalism.

Probably quite a luxury these days. I do love a maximalist moment, though. I'm here for that sometimes. New York or L.A. style? New York. L.A. has no style. I love New York. It's always surprising us.

It keeps us on our toes. Yeah. People get dressed here. They get dressed. In L.A., they don't. They don't. They don't. Yeah.

I come here and I shop, and I'm like, I shop for the New York version of me. And then I go back to L.A. And I'm like, I don't have anywhere to wear any of us. Black Blazer. or white button down. Probably white button down. Is that one of your...

I love a black blazer, though. Yeah. I like both, but white button on is go-to. Yeah. What are your three core? White button down, great jeans and chunky. Chunky shoes. Carrie Broadshaw or CBK?

Oh, I would like marry them. I like both. Both are imbued on my soul in very deep, different ways. So both. One incredible statement piece, or perfect basics? Probably perfect basics, but I have three little kids

and like a very busy job. So I feel like I need more mileage out of my thing. If a look is controversial but memorable, is it a success or a failure? I'm not afraid of controversy. There's been some looks that people have loved that we loved that like, you know, got ragged on by page six or whatever.

Like that's okay. It should matter how it makes you feel. There's going to be millions of people with a lot of opinions sometimes, and you can't listen to them all. Especially now. Everyone's a fashion critic on TikTok. A lot of people have a lot they want to be bad about, and I can't partake in that energetically. You can be aware of it, though. Like, you wouldn't want to only get in the business of just thinking you're a genius all the time and like you can do no wrong.

You can be aware of it, but just use what works. If you took in all the criticism all the time, I don't, like some people wouldn't be able to get out of the door. So use what works. Yeah, I get that. you have to just have blinders sometimes. A little bit. When you need to. Yeah.

Boundaries are good. Is it harder to style or build a press tour or do like a one-off red carpet? I really like a press tour because you're telling more of a story. A one-off red carpet is, it's certainly fun, but it's almost like you feel like you got stopped at the gate. I like exploring all the different ways you can tell a story. That's very fun. Okay. Now a couple of rapid fire.

what instantly makes somebody look elegant? Confidence. One item every woman should invest in. Well, I would say great undergarments. You've got to start with how you feel underneath. That is so true. And that's something that people don't talk about. Yeah.

Yeah. I heard you and Mel talking about that, actually. Yeah. It was important. Yeah. And like, people need to get real about this. It matters. Are we talking like?

I only recently got intentional about this, by the way. and I was like embarrassed. I found it to not be an uncommon thing with people who do what I do that we forget about ourselves because we're always dressing other people. No, but that's like game changer. Yes, get intentional. Are you talking like comfort or beautiful lingerie or depends on the occasion? Both.

And like what supports you and holds you and doesn't grab at you and feels like you don't have to think about it too much. It's your inner armor. Yeah. It matters. I love that. What is one item people overspend on? Oh, gosh, everything.

There's so many things people overspend. I know. It's probably different for everybody, too. I feel like handbags have gotten very expensive. Very. Like, unreasonably so. So I'm not saying I don't love a beautiful handbag, but I wish they would keep the prices down. Like, can we shout out to all the big, let's not go up 30% again next year.

It's not okay. It's not necessary. Yeah. It can still be a luxury piece without it being 30% more expensive. I agree. Okay. What is a fashion rule that you hate? Oh, well, no whites after flavor day. I wear whites. I love winter whites. Yeah. I'm a big white. That's so elegant too. Yeah, always. What is a secret to looking timeless?

I think proportion, like, it would be one, like intentional proportion, meaning like not letting your clothes wear you. I think, I don't want to bring it. I mean, it is about confidence, I think. But I would say with timeless, if you get to and to, exaggerated proportions, you might look more like of a specific time. If you have more of like a structure and I don't know, something that's that like highlights your frame versus overwhelms it, that might feel more timeless. But it goes to if you want to choose a timeless outfit, like you'll be timeless when you feel great. So like that's timeless. Elegance is timeless because when you feel elegant, you feel like your most elevated self. And that is very timeless. Yeah. You exude something different when you feel confident. That's what style is to me.

I think you clock what somebody's feeling. Yeah, for sure. You want a bit of that for yourself. Well, thank you so much for coming on. This is so much fun. Thank you. Tell everybody where they can find you and your book. So you can go to my website, aramwalsh.com.

My book is the art of intentional dressing, and it is available at aramwalsh.com are all your major retailers, Amazon Barnes & Noble, everybody, your local bookstore to. My Instagram is Aaron Walsh style. And be a part of the journey. I want everybody after they listen to this to start either you can tag me or DM me and just show me your three words and how you're wearing them because seeing that is just so the point. And it's so nice to see how everybody responds and resonates to this movement.

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