Well with Arielle Lorre - 464: How to Have Great Skin for Life: Celebrity Facialist Mimi Luzon on Barrier Repair, Sun Damage, Melasma & Skincare For Each Decade

Episode Date: June 22, 2026

Mimi Luzon is a world-renowned celebrity facialist and skincare expert who has spent more than four decades treating some of the most recognizable faces in the world, from Victoria’s Secret models to Hollywood actors, royalty, and global celebrities.In this episode, Mimi shares the foundational principles she believes matter most for achieving healthy, beautiful skin at every age. We discuss the most underrated habits for long-term skin health, how to properly protect and repair your skin barrier, the signs your barrier may already be compromised, and how often you should actually exfoliate.We also dive into acne, sun damage, neck and eye care, in-flight skincare, facial lymphatic drainage, and the biggest skincare myths she sees spreading on social media. Mimi explains how she prepares clients for major events and photoshoots, what treatments she avoids before important appearances, and the skincare mistakes she sees people making over and over again.We also discuss how skincare needs evolve through your 20s, 30s, and 40s, her perspective after working with thousands of clients over the course of her career, and why learning to make peace with your skin may be just as important as any product or treatment.We discuss:The most underrated habit for great skinHow to protect and repair your skin barrierSigns of a damaged skin barrierThe ideal skincare routineHow often to exfoliateIn-flight skincare tipsAcne treatment strategiesTanning and sun damageNeck and eye careThe importance of facial lymphatic drainageThe worst skincare advice on social mediaHow celebrities and models prepare for major eventsSkincare in your 20s, 30s, and 40sLessons from treating clients for over 40 yearsHow to make peace with your skinYou can find Mimi @mimiluzon on Instagram, and don’t forget to check out her products on her site mimi-luzon.com. This episode is brought to you by:Try obé Fitness for free 30 days at obefitness.com with code WELL.Go to dailybasislife.com/WELL to get 30% off your first month. Head to absorbmore.com and use code WELL at checkout for 35% off your first order. Use code WELL at puori.com/WELL to get 32% off your first Puori Grass-fed Whey Protein order when you start a subscription.Go to vuori.com/well for 20% off your first purchase. Visit resortpass.com/well to get $20 off your first booking of $100 or more.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear Media See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Well, a podcast about wellness in all its forms. I'm Ariel Lori, and each week I'm sharing unfiltered conversations with the people shaping how we feel, live, and look. Come for the substance, stay for the honesty, and leave with the tools to be well, inside and out. I had so much fun talking to my guest today, and I was so honored that she literally got off a long-haul flight and came straight to the podcast.

I could never do that. And I have to say, she looked incredible. Skin was skinning and she looked totally chic. You can check it out on YouTube. She is somebody who has spent more than four decades helping some of the most photographed women in the world get their skin looking their absolute best. So I'm talking to Mimi Luzon. She is a globally renowned facialist and skincare expert whose clients have included everybody from Victoria's Secret Models and Hollywood celebrities to royalty and industry insiders. She's one of those if you know you know people. And what I loved about this conversation is that, well, Mimi has access to every treatment imaginable. She really comes back again and again to the fundamentals. So we talked about the most underrated habits for great

skin, how to actually protect and repair your skin barrier. The signs that your barrier may already be compromised. How often you need to exfoliate. We did some debunking. We get into acne, sun damage, malasm. We talk about facial lymphatics, caring for the neck in the eye area, the biggest skincare myths that she sees all over social media. Plus, Mimi shares how she prepares clients for major events and photo shoots what she avoids before a big event and how her philosophy around beauty and aging has evolved after treating literally thousands of faces over the course of her career. So whether you're trying to simplify your routine, heal your skin, age as well as possible, or maybe you have a big wedding or a trip or event coming up.

There is so much practical advice in this episode. And something that I loved was that she kept coming back to making peace with and respecting your skin, which I loved. So without further ado, please enjoy my conversation with Mimi Luzon. Mimi Luzon, are you well? Yes. Yes. Despite getting off a very long flight, right?

Yes, yes. after a long flight, but I'm really excited and happy. Yeah, so happy to have you here. Well, let's start with a little bit of a rapid fire lightning round, and we can come back to some of these and answer them more in depth. But what is one skincare step that you will never skip, no matter how tired you are? Take off the makeup and, you know, to end nitroutine.

It's something that even when I'm dead, I'm using the right product. Yes. I'm not skipping, not morning routine, not night routine. Never, never. Are you a morning cleanser? Yes. Okay. Yes, of course. Double cleanser. Yeah, morning and the evening. Okay. We'll come back to that one. What is the most underrated beauty habit for great skin long term? To understand that it's a long-term relationship with the skin, so we need to use product consistently and to use it all the time and there is no magic so you have to understand that this is you know something that you have to do all the time all your life to have a great skin consistency what is a product category that you think people over complicate i think the

the biggest problem with the acid and retinoid that they are really good and powerful tools for the skin, but you need to know how to use it. You need to use it in the right way. You need to get the right prescription for yourself, to get a guidance, somebody that guide you how to use it. And then you get amazing result. If no, you cannot make big damage to the skin. What is a treatment that you think is worth the hype and one that you think is not worth the hype? I have to say that I know that There is a lot of discussion about the salmon sperm, but I love it. And I think it was the hype. Injections or topical?

Injection. Okay. Injection. It really improve the quality of the skin. You can see the change, but you need to understand that it's not filler and it's not decreasing the wrinkle, but it really improved the skin quality. and something that not can I say

I really think that in any treatment you have you know benefits so I cannot say that it doesn't worse it there are some of them that it's less you know the vampire I don't see anything amazing with this

but for sure there is something that it makes the skin yeah since you just did a long haul flight are you doing skincare on your flight when you travel or now oh my god you can see me

I didn't have one in this flight. So it was like, okay, cleaning the skin, using a serum, a cream, and then a sleeping on mask, and then another cream. And then I went off again. And it was amazing because every time I clean my skin on the flight, I saw that my skin is still dirty. So I did it, I think, five times. But usually I'm doing treatment during the flight, even if it's short flight, not to grease, but, you know, short flight. Well, your skin looks amazing. Thank you. It's working. You see, because I know I'm going to meet you. you and said after such a long flight I need to do something so I did five sessions amazing so tell us about

how you first got into skincare to begin with I got into skincare because I really love all the things of beauty aesthetics first I wanted to study design and then when I get deeper to the beauty industry I understood that skincare is not just you know putting a cream on your skin it's much more than that. It's lifestyle, how you feel with yourself. You can change people life when you're talking about self-confidence. And I grow in the house that my mother always, I'm talking about 50 years ago, she always was about skincare and she did treatment. Even she doesn't have a lot of money. She always goes to do facial. So it was always surrounding me. And I really wanted to do something different with the beauty to combine it with lifestyle and when I started it was really

innovative but now it's it's all about to understand that it's not just a cream that you use on your skin it's much more than that if you want to get beautiful skin yeah let's dive into that a little bit so tell everybody kind of what your philosophy and your approach is to beauty I think first of all the idea behind beauty and skincare is you know longevity the long-term relationship with cream and with treatment. You need to understand exactly what you use for your skin. And it's something that you need to understand that it's not just, you know, as I said before, the cream or the treatment that you do.

It's much more than that. How you live, how you sleep, what you eat, the gym that you do, everything together will give you the most amazing skin. Yeah, I think that there's a lot of misconceptions. obviously around skin care and what it takes to have good skin. And I see at least on my little corner of the internet that people conflate a lot of things. So they think that you go get one treatment and that's going to give you good skin forever or you go and you get a surgery even and that's going to give you good skin or you get Botox and that's your skin care. And it really

is so holistic. And I really like you, I think view it as as more of a lifestyle thing and a self-care thing. And I even noticed, like, last night I went out. I had pasta. I was up late. I didn't sleep well. I had Pilates this morning. It killed me.

I'm dying. And my skin is like, I see it in my face. Yes, exactly. Because it's really from inside to outside. There's nothing else. And there is no magic. There is no magic. You have to go to run with your skin until you go, you know, 100 years.

Did you ever make any major skin mistakes growing up? Obviously you had the influence of your mother, but I know for me my mom was very into skin care and she really tried to ingrain in me to stay out of the sun. And I did not. I was so tan. I was in the tanning beds. I was tanning in the real sun. I mean, as dark as could possibly be. And where you live, there are a lot of people. I have different skin tone and different genetics and all that and that comes into play. But I always say that's my one regret in life. Did you have anything like that or were you First of all, my first mistake, before I become a statistician, I went to one of the class after I was visiting South of Israel and I was a really tonne. And the teacher looked at me and she said, okay, for you, the course is finished.

I said, what? I'm the best student here. And she said, no, if you don't understand how much damage you make to your skin because of the sun. And then since then, I was 21 until now, I always skip the sun. So this is an old mistake. But then when I become a statistician, you know, many years ago, I was much more aggressive with my skin with the treatment. I started using many deep peeling. And now I really, you know, more gentle, I understand.

I respect my skin. Yeah, I was going to ask you how your approach has evolved if it has over the years that you've been doing this. Is that the main thing? I really skip a very aggressive treatment. I respect my skin. I'm using. I'm nourishing. I take care about the barrier. I think it's really important to take care about the barrier, to protect, to renew the skin and not to do something very aggressive. I really believe that

skin like life, you need to respect it and give you back. Let's get into the skin barrier because that is very trendy. It's kind of a buzzword right now and I think a lot of people don't even really. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I really thanks for that. Yeah. But a lot of people don't really even know what it is and how it functions and why it's so important. So why don't you explain that to the audience? I can say that, you know, a coat that cover you, the barrier cover the skin. It really protects the skin. So we cannot take off and exfoliate all the time.

We really need that. So we call it like the pH of the skin and it's cover the skin and it's all together that protect the skin from the environment. And we need to protect, to nourish and not just to take off and to do exfoliate and everything. In one end, we have to take off, and the other end we need to build. So the barrier is the cover, is the tappet of our skin, and we need to take care about that. What are the biggest things that impede on the health of that barrier? Is it over-exfoliation?

Is it things like chemical peals and lasers and things like that? No. Because chemical peel and laser, if you do it in the right way, is okay. But over-exfoliated, too much cleansing the skin, and this is what can destroy the barrier. What are the signs so that the listeners know that their barrier could be compromised? The skin become really, really sensitive. Sometimes you see people that use retinoid or something like that, retinol or stuff like that, but the skin becomes super glowy, but it's not in a normal way.

And the skin peel off. And everything is itching and can cause some sensitivity to the skin. So it's really something that you better avoid. It's okay. You need to do, to exfoliate. You need to clean the skin, to help the skin. to help the skin to renew in a better way, but not exaggerate. Always think that you need to rebuild after.

Yeah, I started to go viral for my skin routines a couple years ago, and I was doing the Jan Marini system, which I still love. But it was glycolic cleanser, followed by vitamin C, followed by a triple acid serum, followed by, because I had some melasma at the time, it was a product that had a little bit of retinal in it, followed by in the morning just moisturizer and SPF. But then at night, all of that and a product that was a retinal and a benzoporoxy, a transretinol and a benzoporoxid together.

I mean, it was so much exfoliation. And anytime I had any expert in skincare on my podcast, they're like, how do you have skin on your face? At the end, I'll leave skin. Yeah. And it was very dewy and glowy. And I think that it's formulated in a way where even though they're all of those active, they're pretty gentle and they're synergistic and they're working together.

Candice Marino, I don't know if you know her, put me on it. And I had cystic acne at the time. It cleared it. It was amazing for me. Again, it's dependent on the skin type. Yeah. Sometimes if the skin is sick, it's okay. But people getting from all these things in social.

media. Yes. And the skin is very dedicated and sensitive from the beginning and then they start to exfoliate and this is a problem.

Yeah. Can people exfoliate daily? Yes. How should they do that? In a light way. I use very, like I use

glycolic acid combined with other different acid together but in very specific concentration but just use it during the night

and then in the morning put sunscreen. Mm-hmm. I never recommended to use any kind of acid in the morning because of the sun. It depends where you live, but most of the countries that we have some sun in the morning and light and also this light. So it's better not to use any acid in the morning just in the night and then in the morning sunscreen. I talk a lot about how consistency is really what drives results when it comes to fitness, but we all know that it can be really hard to stay consistent when you're traveling, you're busy,

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Okay, so my idea, again, it's depend on the skin type, but first of all, I'm using kind of very light. I'm going from the light to the heavy one. So it's very light serum that make the skin tone even. And then I'm using my skin for it. That's my favorite serum, that is kind of serum with oil together, that it's nourishing, protecting, rebuild, renew the cells. And then I'm using a cream that called Wozzi, that it's also give the skin moisturizer and

nourishing the skin, but it's with different kind of roses that help to renew the cells, rebuild the collagen fiber, and then glass skin that give the skin this dewy effect and the flawless effect. And then, of course, sunscreen in the morning. And then we go to the night. And then I'm using this cocktail of acid that we call get even water that help to renew the cells in a better way. I'm using it every day and I don't need to wash it. This is a very good one. And then a serum. with stem cells and then a cream stem cells and they goate no retinal no no no eye cream neck of course i forgot how should people care for their neck differently than their face this is something people ask all the time yes you know why because now when when not now like three few years ago when

it started with a zoom the neck become an issue because people that treat the face the skin in the face and then treat the body and this is neglected area so they need to use a cream, specific cream, that's really good for the neck, that it's firm, this area, the skin is very delicate, and they use it with efflurage movement from the chin to the heart in this movement. Very easy, not like this, not like this, very easy movement. And it's amazing. It's really well. Morning and the evening.

That's debunking a skincare myth, I think, because everybody says to do it, you need to be applying an upward strokes because then it's going to be. pull your face down. I'm like, but when you have lotions and there's slip there, like you're not pulling anything. Anyway, my hand cannot pull anything up or down. Yeah. It's just intuitive to do it like this. From here you go to the heart, from the leg you go to the heart.

So it's okay. I believe, I told you, I respect my skin. I work with it very in a gentle way because I really want to take care about the skin and to do the things in the right way. and anything is too much and aggressive. Yeah. You work with a lot of high-profile people. You have models and celebrities and people that everybody would be familiar with listening.

I won't make you name names, but are there common issues that you see people come in that they're doing with their skin that you then have to correct? Like some of these beliefs of, for example, exfoliating all the time or slugging. You know, there's so many trends. Yes, but most of them, I really taking care about the skin and they understand that, you know, this is one of the tools that they are working with. So do the right treatment. They also have some problem, you know, even you see a girl that is one of the most beautiful. And she also have some issues.

So it's not that they are skipping these things. But all of all the girls that I met really take care about skin. They understand that this is a tool that they need to keep. So they have long-term relationship with the skin. They're doing all the treatment easy, especially before shows. You don't do anything that it's too strong. You don't use product.

You don't do any experiment on the skin before shows or event. You use just product that you trust and you know them already. And the same with the treatment. Of course, no downtime, nothing that irritate. So I never met. One of the issues that they are struggling with is puffiness after flight and many, many shows. Yeah.

So we are more about drainage and stuff like that that really take off all the water from the skin. And you do that with lymphatic. Yes. Yeah. Just gentle lymphatic. Yes. I love lymphatic massage for the face. Yes.

Me too. I've only actually, well, I guess when I get facials, they do massage. Yes. And I have a place here in L.A. that I love just for massage only. Mm-hmm. But I have done lymphatic massage after I did facial, like, cosmetic procedures. and it was crazy the difference. Yes, it's amazing.

With like the most gentle, I mean, people think that sometimes you need to be like really in there. And it's different with the lymphatic system. You just spoke about the massage movement. Also, the lymphatic massage, when you do it, you go back and forward, back and forward. You don't do anything that it's too deep because it's very clever. I really love this massage. I heard somebody make the analogy that the lymphatic system or like when you're draining it, it's like straws. And so if you're pressing too hard, you're blocking it. Yes, exactly.

And I think that that's something that also gets kind of lost in translation online. You see people doing a lot of massage and then you just feel like the instinct is to get in there to sculpt, right? Yes, yes. This is one of the biggest issues, people taking everything from the social. Some things are good, but a lot of things are, wow. Is there anything that drives you crazy that you see? Yes, you know, two space on. pimples, people doing massage, like too aggressive. Yeah. Using product, I met so many clients that when they came, I can say, I can say in a minute which influencer influence and what they vote from her. And I said, okay, but you are not

the same. You know, if you don't struggle with any problem, it's okay that you try many things. But if you have a problem, go to an expert and ask what you need to use. Yeah. I really believe that skincare is kind of prescription that you need to have for your skin, not just take everything from your mother, from your friend. Hopefully nobody has come in with the 11-step Jan Marini system. Sorry. No, no, it's okay, but sometimes it's good, you know. I want to rewind a little bit to what you were saying about if somebody has a show, right?

You've worked with Victoria's Secret models and everybody wants to know. What are they doing to prep? You mentioned not doing any kind of different treatments, not anything with downtime, not using different products. But how far out does somebody need to be thinking about their skin if they have a red carpet, if they have, you know, if someone's getting married, if someone's walking a runway, whatever the case is. Very good questions. It will not be night before.

Yeah. It's supposed to be weeks, sometimes months, but you need to plan. Sometimes with mothers, some girls that I know for years, they have all. program for one one year because you know the the time that they can do really deep treatment is very very short but they always have something so they need to plan and to make a program before you know a word season before a big shows so you need to plan so you need to have a program for all year long 12 months a year so it's should be like that also for a wedding yeah I always say when you order the dress order the treatment really exactly

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Every other week, weekly, monthly. What does that look like? Again, it depends on the skin situation. But let's say like kind of normal, regular, although I think normal skin just three years old and then it's changing. Yeah. But yes, but we need to create a program. The first to repair, to renew the cells, to work on the skin condition.

And then as much as we go closer to the wedding or to the event, we do work about rebuilding the collagen, tightening the skin snatched. And the day, even before the wedding or the event, we do like a glow treatment. And like we're working with radical frequency, laser, always combined devices in my treatment. Ian Face, it's really amazing day before the event. It's we snatched everything up. Really? Yes.

I've always wondered about that. Oh, it's crazy. Really? Okay. It's really one of my favorite treatment. Uh-huh. But, you know, three months ago, months ago, we can do, like, micro-needling that are really, with biosome. That is really work amazing on the skin texture.

And then, again, it's a bad. on the skin situation. If you have melasma, you need to work maybe nine months before. Yeah. How do you like to treat melasma? With active ingredients in the treatment, I'm using also IPL. I think it's really good for melasma. And I combine it with product that I give to the client to use at home with cozyc acid, with the alpha-abutin, and everything to make the skin more even. and then in the morning something that protects from the melanin production. It's really important.

How do you feel about things like red light? I have many... In one side, I really like it, but in the other end I read many research that it's not so good for melasma. It really increased the melasma. Someone even wrote that it's okay for the hair grows, so if you have a mask, put it on your hair.

But for the skin, for melasma, I'm not sure about it. it. I don't use it for melasma. Yeah. I've heard both sides. I was recording with somebody. Do you know Amy Chang? You should go on her podcast. She's good. Okay. She's good. Okay. She has melasma and she uses the current body and she said it actually helped her melasma. I think that one doesn't get warm. The mask, the red light mask? Yeah, the mask. But then I know other people who use them who it's really exacerbated it. I think melasma is very, very personally. Each one of my cloud, it's a different treatment. This is what I say.

You need to create the right program from each situation because you don't know from where is the pigmentation, how it happens. So it's really depend. And the most important thing is, again, not to make any trauma to the skin. Just do it gently. Respect your skin.

And then it will be because it's more intuitive when you have melasma, to do everything you can, to put all the creams, many acid, many things that brighten in the skin and make the skin. And I think it's something that you need to understand, okay, I have a problem. It's like Catholic wedding, somebody that has pigmentation. It's something that there, and you need to take care from the sun to put sunscreen, to use the right product. Then you have a result.

But go slowly. Slowly and sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like a lot of skincare is practicing restraint. Yes. Because the instinct is to do everything. Like I had cystic acne, like I mentioned in 2022.

It just kind of came out of no. And it was like horrible all over my cheeks, my jaw, my neck, behind my ears, like everywhere. And nothing had changed in my lifestyle. And, you know, I eat very clean and I meditate. And I, yeah, I mean, I was going through kind of a stressful event. So that could have been it. But, you know, I felt like I was doing everything right. And at the same time, my skin where I didn't have the acne, it was clogged, but it was dry, but it was

sensitive and I was trying everything. You want to just try everything to get rid of it when really I feel like the things that are most effective effective is like scaling back and being more restrained when it comes to treating it. Yes, but this is the things. This is what I'm trying to educate and to explain to the client. For you, it could work, but for somebody else to do so many things, I can understand it because I know that if you have something and it's not something that you used to live with, you need to, you want to finish with it. It cannot be there. Yeah.

But sometimes you need to understand that it's a process. It's not the magic. And when I see that someone cannot stand and cannot be in this process, sometimes I send it to medication because there is no other way. Yeah. If you don't have the patient and you need to understand that there is steps for that. And so maybe. there is other way to get red from acne, cystic acne or something.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I went on spiroinolactone at the time, and that helped a lot, and then I was able to go off of it. Because you struggle with it because you get stress and it's more acne. And then, again, and stress and more acne. So meditation, calm down. But then you say, okay, go to the mirror and you see that. It's okay.

You know, when you explain to people, or you go to the process and you go step by step, or you go to medication. and you finish with it. And sometimes it's better. Can you say, I mean, everybody is different, but is there something that seems to work best for people with acne? Like, is there a formula that you go to with different products when you have clients that are struggling with it?

Cleaning the skin and don't use a lot of products, specific with acne. It's something that I found out during the year. I'm working in 40 years in the beauty industry, that when you have a cystic acne, a big issue with acne, you have to clean your skin, use a light moisturizer, sunscreen, and a good mask that can solve it, help you. But never try to dry your skin too much. Just work on the balance.

We're always talking about balancing, balancing, balancing. But with acne, it's really important because when you dry your skin, you get more acne. I remember back in the day, like in high school when we were getting breakouts, we would put toothpaste on. I just thought about it. Talk about it. You did? No, no, this is crazy. Yeah. We would go in the tanning bed with our face because we were trying to dry it out. Good solution. Tanning bed is the best. My God, this is something. No, this is somebody, just take it out from everywhere. It's crazy. They're still around, which is shocking to me. I've talked about this before. I had a rash. This is like such a tangent aside, but I had a rash called peteriasis, Rosia.

Do you know it? Yes. And it's not eczema, but I don't know. It doesn't respond to anything. And I went into like a deep hole because it was from my waist to my neck. It was so itchy, so uncomfortable and so relentless. Like nothing worked. I was like bathing in selson blue.

I mean, all these different kinds of things. And somebody said the only thing that makes it go away is a tanning bed. And I was so desperate at the time that I was like, okay, I never thought I would do this again, but and I went. I found a tanning bed. I covered myself in sunscreen. I wore clothes and everything,

except for the exposed area. And I went in for like two minutes every other day for like a week or something, like bare minimum and it went away. It was crazy. But my dermatologist said, we have UV boxes. That's what I wanted to say.

Exactly. Just took the word from my mouth. Yes. There is UV boxes for that. Yes, that can help with things like eczema, right? Or psoriasis. The things with a tanning bed that it's much more worse than the sun.

Yeah. Because it goes directly to your skin. Yes. Yeah. I know. I'm surprised that they probably don't even have them in Israel, do they? No, there is in Israel. Oh, there is?

Going. Really? Yes. Yes. Unfortunately, people like to be done. And then they don't understand. They understand. Like, I have so many clients that say, okay, I understand the problem.

But I want to be done. Okay. And then they come in the winter. and they do the treatment for the pigmentation. And then in the summer, they went back to the bed, some bed or the sun or whatever. But I have to say that people are more educated about the damage of sun,

light and all this. Yeah. Yeah, when I was doing it, it was like over 20 years ago. And I think when you're young, like I was a teenager, you just don't really ever think that it's going to, that there are going to be consequences.

Yes. And the old, I think, maybe it's better now, but people just think it's the same way. That, okay, I want to be beautiful. If I look skinnier, I look like that. And yes, I'm going to do it. I don't care about what's going to be when I will be 40. And then you become 40.

Yeah. And then you see the damage. Yeah. And then they can't solve this problem. All my decolte is looking like, I don't know. Yeah. And then they pay a lot of money and suffering for treatment. That's really painful.

Yes. So all the people that hear us that are young. Don't do it. I was telling the instructor at Forma today because she was like, oh, I just love a natural tan. And I said, listen, I understand. But I'm for, I turned 40 this year. Oh my God, you look so good. Thank you. I was able to laser like any areas that I had pigmentation from back when I was tanning. But now it's the skin quality. I'm noticing where it's getting thin. And there's not a lot that you can do for that unless you have some kind of hacks like on your body where you start to see creakiness, you know, like in the folds. We have some decalate. No, you can do like combination of IPL and to do like lasers, but it's really, you know, treatment that you cannot go out. Yeah. But I can tell you that I really say that I'm proud myself that I really educate so many clans

and I show them the result of going to the sun and what happened to the skin. Yeah. Especially with acne, with all this area of the decoultate, the wrinkle in this area. Yes. You want to go, you know, almost naked. and then everything looks so old. I know. I know.

We were in Sanctuary this summer and there were the, yeah, you see the women in their 60s and 70s who were in the sun their whole lives. And it's like, and it's interesting because now online, again, like social media, there's a whole camp of people who are anti-s sunscreen. And I understand part of the argument. Vitamin D is good for you, sure. But that's completely different from what we're talking about, right? Yes.

When it comes to sun protection. No, no, no, it's like totally different. Yeah. You can walk in the same. Like, I do jogging like every morning, you know, but 6 a.m. So there is light. Yeah. But not strong.

Yeah. And you can put head, sunscreen, cover yourself. And, you know, there's many ways to enjoy vitamin D. And also you can take supplement. Yeah. And it's also another way. Yeah. Exactly.

Should people be taking care of their skin differently throughout the decades? or does it just vary person by person? I mean, I have a lot of listeners in their 20s, and they're seeing everything on social media, and they're starting to do the Botox and fillers and lasers and I'm like, that's crazy to me. When I was in my 20, I'm like, enjoy being able to be beautiful and have, like, amazing skin and, you know,

not have to do all of the things. So I think in the 20, you need to more protect your skin and get some new habit out to take care about. skin to, you know, to get really on the skincare issues. I can say that I understand girls that want to do Botox because they see all this influenza that are doing Botox and, but feelings, it's too much for me, personally, for, you don't lose anything. So why you need to feel more on your skin?

But when you get 30, you need to be more awareness about, you know, how to take care about the skin, to repair, to protect, and to do some more. more treatment that target scheme problem. And in 40, again, we go up to the barrier. We need to nourish, to renew the cells, to work on the rebuilding of the collagen fiber. Then we go up and up with the treatment. Yeah, late 30s, early 40s, obviously hormones are changing and everything too. At 30, 40, it's like the hormone changed around the latest 40, mid 40.

Yeah. And then we need to change also the product and the skincare and the beauty routine. Everything. Everything. Right. Our skin doesn't retain moisture as well. Sometimes, yeah, sometimes we get even acne, you know, the late acne. Sometimes the premonopause with acne, that it's, yes, people are really, I'm not

teenager. Why? I'm struggling with this problem. There is issues with the skin according to the age. Yeah. But it's like, you know, you need to live. with peace with your skin. It's like...

True. Yeah. My ex used to say it's not fair to get wrinkles and pimples at the same time. You think you're done with... You're right. You know, people saw that when they have oily skin, they never get wrinkled. And it's so... Like, this is a myth.

It's a myth. Yes. Yeah. Because first of all, the skin that is really thick, you get deeper wrinkled. Yeah. And with the skin is really thin, you get more wrinkled. Oh, interesting. So it's like...

Yes. I'm the latter. I have been skin. But you take care about the skin, so you never get sprinkled. Yeah, yeah, well, hopefully. Is there anything that you have personally learned about skin after working with so many people and so many different kinds of skin and all of that? Like, has your perspective changed on anything? Yes.

First of all I understood, nobody perfect. Even the most beautiful women, she has some issues. So it's okay to have some issues. and they just mentioned before to live in a good way and in peace with your skin and to understand that the skin is like reflecting everything that we have inside. I saw so many faces and it's like so many people that they have things inside that reflect the skin and people that understand that they cannot live in a

they're always struggling with skin issues and when you educate them I have to live in a good way with the skin and that everything we can solve with treatment and product everything we can solve it can take time it can be easy sometimes more difficult but at the end we can solve it and then you know it's it's not it's not a problem skin it cannot be a problem it's kind of getting to the process and taking care about your skin all your life and and that you said before it's not one one shot it's next never will be one shot. But the thing that you know that everyone gets some imperfection in the skin and it's there, it's there, even for the most beautiful woman. For me, it's like, okay,

we can live with it. Yeah. Well, we're always the most self-conscious when it comes to ourselves, and then we don't see flaws in other people. Yes. You know, it's like the things that I'm insecure about, you probably wouldn't even notice and vice versa. Yes. And the skin is really something that you're it's really reflect your life. Yeah. And so many emotion in the skin issues. When you're young, with acne, and then you go up, and the skin is, you know, many other issues with the skin.

It's always there. Yeah. But we need to live in it. Acceptance. Acceptance. Accept it. Acceptance is the beginning, right? Well, thank you so much for coming.

That was so fun. And we didn't even get to, I know, want to do a part too. Yes. When I come there. No problem. We can do the part two in Israel. Yes, that would be so fun. You have an amazing line, which we didn't get to speak to, but we'll link everything

in show notes so that people can find it. It's like all the products. They like my kids. I love all of them. And they develop each one of them take almost one in like a pregnancy. Amazing. Tell everybody where they can find you and find your products. They can find me online.

Also in Forward. Oh, amazing. What we love forward. Yes. Me too. Thank you. It's such a pleasure to be here. Likewise.

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