Well with Arielle Lorre - 472: Dr. Shereene Idriss’ Honest Takes on Botox, Korean Skincare, Lasers & What is Actually Aging You

Episode Date: July 29, 2026

Dr. Shereene Idriss is a board-certified dermatologist, founder of Idriss Dermatology in New York City, and one of the internet’s most trusted voices on evidence-based skincare. Known for cutting through beauty marketing and viral misinformation with humor and honesty, she’s built a loyal following by making complex skin science accessible.In this episode, we dive into what actually ages our skin—and why it isn’t what most people think. Dr. Idriss shares the biggest mistakes people make with Botox, her honest opinions on today’s newest lasers and injectable peptides, and the treatments she believes are genuinely worth your money. We also discuss Korean skincare, the ingredients every routine should include, how to treat melasma, pigmentation and age spots, whether pores can really be “shrunk,” the truth about red light therapy, and the one treatment she thinks many people can skip. Plus, she shares her own maintenance routine, the unrealistic beauty standards shaping our expectations, and why consistency will always beat intensity when it comes to healthy skin.Whether you’re navigating preventative skincare in your 30s or trying to make smarter anti-aging decisions in your 40s and beyond, this conversation is packed with practical, no-nonsense advice you’ll actually use.Thanks to my sponsors:Head to Nutrafol.com and use code BLONDE for $10 off your first subscription and free shipping.Visit www.Sarahcrealbeauty.com/well to get 15% off your first order.Visit quo.com/blonde for 20% off 6 monthsVisit KINSYN.com/well and use promo code well at checkout for 20% offUse code WELL at puori.com/WELL to get 32% off your first Puori Grass-fed Whey Protein order when you start a subscription.Go to Quince.com/blonde for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order.Visit resortpass.com/well to get $20 off your first booking of $100 or more.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Well, a podcast about wellness in all its forms. I'm Ariel Laurie, and each week I'm sharing unfiltered conversations with people shaping how we feel, live, and look. Come for the substance, stay for the honesty, and leave with the tools to be well, inside and out. I am so excited about today's guest. She is finally returning after a couple years for her second appearance on the show,

and she is one of my favorite. dermatologists on the internet and in real life because she somehow makes skin science genuinely entertaining and I just adore her personality. She and I have such great rapport in my opinion. And we are back with another incredible episode. I am talking about Dr. Shereen Idris. She is a board certified dermatologist. She's the founder of Edris Dermatology in New York City. And she is the founder of Dr. Edress, which is an incredible skincare line. And she is somebody, who's built an enormous following by telling the truth about skincare with zero fluff, a great sense of humor, and plenty of hot takes, which we get into in this episode.

This conversation is packed. We get into what actually ages your face, the biggest Botox mistakes that people make, the truth about lasers, injectable peptides, Korean skincare, red light therapy, molasma pores. We are going there. We also talk about the treatments that are actually worth your money versus the ones you can absolutely skip. And of course, we play a really fun round of this or that, where she gives her rapid fire opinions on all the beauty debates that we obsess over. So if you love skincare beauty and getting real answers from someone who isn't trying to sell you hype, you are going to have so much fun with this one. So please enjoy Dr. Shereen Idris. Welcome. Hi. Hi. I'm very excited to be here. So excited to have you back. I can't believe it's

been two years. Yeah. And I know that I was saying this before, but I'm actually serious. I feel like you have aged in reverse. Oh, love that for me. Last time we saw each other, it was like 8.30 in the morning. And your eyes that has gotten worse. Both haggard. No, but there's like, you're very, very glowy. Things are like very lifted.

I mean, you always look amazing. Thank you. What are you doing? I mean, everything I've shared online, which is basically nothing out of the ordinary. There hasn't been any new. Although I do want to do this year potentially a fat stem cell transfer because we're doing that in the office. But no, I do.

What do I do? Twice a year, max. very light Botox with maybe a little bit of filler, nothing crazy. And then a tightening treatment once every year and a half. The last one I had was last May, so it was a year ago. What tightening? I do all therapy. And then what else do I do? I do PRP maybe once or twice a year. I haven't done it in the past six months though. So it's been a minute since I have had that. And then microneedling, every probably season, every three months, I'll do a light micrneedling, no heat. Are you doing like PRF, PRP, Xatoms, anything? I don't. I don't.

do it with PRF or PRP because I didn't draw my blood because I didn't have time after clinic. And usually if I draw the blood, I'm going to inject it under my eyes. So no, I did not do it with that. I do do it sometimes with Reddran just topically. I will not inject it because it's not FDA clear to inject in the U.S. And I will not inject exosomes either in the U.S. So no, I don't do it with exosomes. Do you feel the same way about topical exosomes? I mean, topical exosomes, you can apply it topically, but there are so many people going off script for things that are not approved. Not that everything approved is great. But at least it keeps certain like checks and balances, you know, where you're getting something, you know, is it safely manufactured under sterile conditions? Is it coming

from a crystal meth lab or is it coming from, you know, a place that is really regulated? Just little details, you know, that kind of keep things in check. And I think that is a huge piece of the puzzle that's completely overlooked. And that scares me. That's the part that scares me. What's your take on peptides? Injectable? Same issue. Yeah. I think. people are so skeptical of scientific bodies or institutions that they're willing now to put their own bodies at risk and become human guinea pigs. That is scary. And it's funny because with injectable peptides, I think like maybe three weeks ago, I pulled my community online and 75% of people were interested. I was like, okay, cool. So then I asked the follow-up question,

how many of you guys would go on Ozempic? 20%. And 80% was hard no. But, OZMPIC is technically a peptide with a proven track record. And so my thing is multi-layered with peptides one, production, because all of these injectable peptides are not standardized, so you don't know where you're getting them from. And that could be contaminated, you can become septic, you can get really sick in the now. Number two is, if it worked for you, that's cool, but vibes are not clinical trials. And I need to know long-term data. And we're just now getting information from Ozempic, which has been around now for years because it's been being used at such a larger scale that imagine what kind of data we're going to get in a couple of years from all of these

different injectables that people are putting in their bodies at a much larger scale now. So I don't want to be the guinea pig. Everything great was once new, but not everything new is great. So let's kind of like wait it out, I think. Is that your same approach to things like new lasers? Always. Yeah. Always.

Because new lasers, new treatments, what's going to happen? Companies are going to want to recuperate their costs and everything that they spent on it. So they're going to go hard with marketing, trying to get it in everybody's hands. And the very beginning, everybody and their grandmother will have it because it's the latest and greatest and it's the new shiny object and toy. But then within a few months, you start hearing about all the complications that come out. And I don't want to be the one who causes that on patients. So I'd rather sit by the sidelines, see what develops, see how it evolves, and then incorporate it into my practice. Yeah.

But we've seen this with like Morpheus, now Zurf is the big thing. I wrote a substack about this because I was like Morphys had a billboard in Times Square and everyone was so excited than every single provider under the sun with two arms, two eyes, two legs, maybe two boobs, who would be offering this service. And then you'd have patients come in with burn after burn complication after issue because they were not being trained correctly and they were not really thinking appropriately. Now I have a Morphus in my office. It's a great device when done correctly, but it's not it's not a miracle either. And I think now ZERF is being positioned as that. Yeah. Everybody is asking about ZRF.

Like any time that I have a dermatologist or any kind of doctor, skincare expert, whatever on the podcast, everyone wants to know about Zerk. And I'm like, this came out of nowhere. I mean, it was in Korea, right? Marketing money. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy.

Yeah. I want to ask you, I want to rewind to the Botox piece because I remember seeing you make videos about this. You don't often hear providers say to fully let your Botox wear off, But that's your approach, right? Thousand percent. Okay. Can you explain that?

Like with anything, right? The goal of these procedures that we're doing in office from a cosmetic standpoint, in my view, which is obviously very subjective, is not to change who you are. But it's really to slow the overall aging process a little bit down. So instead of aging like this, you may be aging more like that. With that, Botox, I think people have lost the plot. where they just want to be frozen in time, you know, embalmed. It's not an embalmation process.

And with Botox, the goal of it is to slow your muscle movement down for a period of time to give your forehead, let's say, a moment of pause so that it's not so active all the time so that over time your lines don't develop as deep. That's the goal. I think when you start too young, like I hate the idea of preventative Botox, When you start when you have no anything formed on your forehead, like not even the finest little speck of a line formed on your forehead. And you go hard and strong like every three months because now you do not want to have any movement because you're trying to avoid any lines from forming. Over time, your muscle will get thinner. It will atrophy. You will look flaccid and flat. And over time, you're going to lose the essence of what makes you you. And so that's not something that I like, aesthetically speaking, and it's not something that I would want to promote or push. And I don't want to give any of my patients, especially not younger patients, any un-earned

insecurity. Yeah. Like, take that money and fly to Paris, you know? Yeah. Like, what are you doing over here? Like, you know, like, just go get life experiences and develop real lines because your heart has been broken or something and then come back. And then we will take care of you over time.

Yeah. It's like you have plenty of time to be worrying about this stuff. I look back to when I was in my early 20s. We may have talked about this last time. And it was like smoking cigarettes in the sun, partying all night, drinking. I mean, not that everyone should be doing that either. But that's like the other extreme. But like, then you wake up and I still looked amazing until maybe late 20s.

Then it started showing up. But it's with everything. Like you bounce back fast. But also like, I know people get upset when I talk about sunspots and age spots. I like, I like my freckles. I'm like, yes, cute, but DNA damage. And you rebound faster when you're young. Yeah.

When you're older, you don't rebound faster. When you get a tan, that tan lingers longer. Oh, my God. Because your DNA is damaged. Yeah. That's why you get tan so fast and that's why your tan stays on your body longer. That's why your freckles appear fast. faster, you know? Same kind of thing. You don't rebound as fast. And so I do not recommend.

Yeah. Yeah. I know. I'm just thinking that's like the one I always say, and I probably said this last time, that's my one regret, was like the tanning when I was younger. And I actually thought that people were over it by now. Like, even when we're around the same age, when I was in my teens, when I was like really heavily tanning and in the tanning beds and everything, my mom tried telling me. But when you're that age, you can't really see beyond where you are, you know, and you don't think that anything is ever going to happened to you or there will be consequences or anything. But I always say, like, this younger generation is so lucky because they have like spray tans and self-tan and, you know, they know about sun protection. And I was saying this to someone the other day on the podcast. And they were like,

oh, no, no, no. Tannings, yeah. But so is smoking. Taming smoking. I know. Yeah. I saw that like, like, like, I know, article that was published about, should we just all smoke again? And I'm like, no, no, no, you turn abort. Like, what are we doing? I think everyone has the buckets at this point. I don't know what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. You guys know that I am very into taking a thoughtful, long-term approach when it comes to beauty. I am never looking for quick fixes. I just want to support things at the source. And hair is really no different, which is why Nutrafall has been part of my routine for so many years.

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So I want to do some this or that, even though we're kind of already into everything. Botox or biostimulators? It's like oranges and potatoes. Yeah. I know. I like trying to like meat people. I like the sweet and sour. I don't know. If you had to.

Gun to your head. Okay. I would pick Botox because biostimilators are not for everyone. Some people have a lot of volume. They don't need it. But everyone has muscle movement. So I would probably pick Botox over a biostimulator. But you look so pissed.

I'm really pissed. I don't know. I don't want to pick it. Grudgingly answer that one. We're going to circle back on that one. Retinal or vitamin C. I'd probably pick a retinol. More tried and true.

Yeah. Lasers or injectables. This is really against my nature. Okay, I'm putting injectables. Okay. Okay. We can expand. I need to like get into these because it's like it's almost like asking me like, do you like blue or do you like pants?

Yeah. You know, it's pull. It doesn't make any sense. Okay. This will be easier. Glass skin or matte skin? I think glass skin is an unrealistic. ideal that just does not exist. So I will vote Matt because it's easier to achieve. It's easier to

achieve. Yeah. Prevention or correction? Prevention always. That's a good one. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. One out of ten. French pharmacy or K-beauty? I think both have a lot of merits. I think one is being over-marketed currently as we speak. But, you know, I... Infiltrating the U.S. In-air. Yeah, they're over-marketed and really being taken advantage of. And I think it's going to just, it's going to fizzle what it stands for. So I'm worried about saying K Beauty because I'm scared that it's getting overly exposed. Yeah, it's like diluting. Yeah, it's diluting and it's being really taken advantage of in a way that I don't think even people in Korea stand for. Interesting. So you think that it's just becoming more of like a marketing term? Oh yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah, a thousand percent.

Like Korean sunscreens in the U.S. It's an American sunscreen. Yeah. Made by a Korean brand. Yeah. And it's a U.S. filter. They have to change the filters. Yeah. It's not a Korean in sunscreen. So that's like, that's when I roll my eyes when patients come in saying, but I'm using a Korean sunscreen. I'm like, great, where do you buy it from Sephora? You know. And even with, so all of Young is coming into Sephora, right? You're in Singapore. It's still a US. It's still the US. Yes, because it has to abide by US laws and regulations. And these brands cannot be selling sunscreens that have filters that are considered over the counter drugs, right? Sunscreens are that are not abiding by FDA regulations.

Good to know. Okay. So we can circle back on the Botox versus biosimilators. said some people have a lot of volume. It's not appropriate for everybody who is sculptor appropriate for. Because I feel like that's another one where everybody, everybody under the sun is like, do I need sculptor? Do you have sculptor? Should I get sculptor? But that's like a recent thing. Go back three years, everyone was anti-sculptor. Yeah. Which is like, you know, like everything, the pendulum always swings, right? So I want to take it even a step further just quickly before we jump into it. But the reason your questions were very hard for me to answer was because when you think of aging, it's not a single-faceted issue. It's not just lines that are going to age you. So for me to pick between

Botox or biosimilitaries like two separate things. It's not just a volume issue. It's not just a color issue. It's not just a laxity issue. And it's also a bone issue where your bone structure comes into play. So when you're looking at someone's face, when I'm evaluating a patient, I really look at these five different things of their aspects of their face that's going on. And then I try to prioritize obviously subjectively, because it's at my point of view, what is the biggest issue that I see? Is it a volume loss issue or are they sagging? Do they have a lot of volume that's dropping? Because their bone structure is too small or narrow or is it narrowing faster than their volume can hold. And that kind of helps me differentiate it. When someone has a really strong bone structure or not necessarily, but their volume is shrinking, then they start to sink in, right? That's more of like, and this is obviously black and white, and there's shades of gray in this, that's more the type of patient that I would go for a biostimulatory like sculpture.

But if someone, for example, like me, has volume, but it's slightly dropping, I would use very light filler, not to fill, but to play with the overall proportionality of their face so that you can look at their face and not tell, you know, is this slightly higher, is this slightly lower, you know, are we dropping? It looks more in line in proportion with their bone structure.

And so you have to look at a face as a whole. And that's why when someone says, I just want filler from my under eyes, I will never do it because it's not your under eyes that are aging. It's the whole face that's shifting around it that's making your under eyes look either more hollow or more recessed. And you have to really look at the face as a whole. From your vantage point, what issues are you seeing people come in and complain about a lot now? Because I feel like, you know, we're made more aware of things like the year of the bluff. Suddenly everybody was like doing their eyes and people tend to hyperfixate. You mentioned like

your lower eyes and, you know, different areas of our face. And yes, as we age, like we lose volume in different areas first. And I feel like your eyes are the first thing that you see, typically, maybe jowls, I don't know. But this year, compared to a couple of years ago, is there anything that you're like, God, everybody is coming in and complaining about this? So there's like two worlds in my head. One is like my practice world. Yeah. You know, as a dermatologist who practices within cosmetics and the other is like my skincare online situation ship. So as and brand founder. But I think from a practice, you know, viewpoint, it's definitely, do I need to get surgery, and they're younger and younger and younger.

And they're being influenced by social media. They're being influenced by, and it kind of overlaps with the skincare world where these unrealistic ideals are being set on women, especially, with filters, with these celebrities who are not saying what they've done, but they clearly look different at younger and younger, and they're feeling like they need to live up to that expectation, and they're not able to. And it's not necessarily a new trend, but I think the blef is the trend. of the moment that people are going towards. And my concern is, like with every other trend, I was very adamantly against buckle fat pad removals. Right? You need, it's your face for your

ass as you get older and you got to save your face. Number two, I was also very against lip lifts. Yeah. And we started seeing people with crazy scars, especially on the lower part of their noses, that now are permanent and it's not spending thousands of dollars trying to reverse it. And I think this eye trend is going to be with blephroplastys is going to be one of the, unfortunately, the most consequential ones because your eyes are the gateway to your soul. And once you change that, you're never going to get it back. I can maybe try to resurface a lip-lift scar. I can maybe put some kind of biostimulatory or inject fat for buckle fat pad, but I can never change the essence of your eyes. And once you do that, there's no going back. Yeah. So I think that is scary.

And then in the skincare world, I think filters have really messed with people's expectations. of reality, glass skin being one of them and trying to achieve this like ideal that doesn't exist. And it's really sad because you see people who are so frustrated and they're doing everything right and they look genuinely beautiful, but they don't believe you because they're so like taken by these filters that they see themselves through that they're not seeing who they are. I feel like with so much AI content now and it's only going to become more prevalent and like this AI slop. I don't know if you see this. I see AI info. I see AI info. I see AI. influencers like left and right and people don't know that they're AI, which is crazy. I think I might be a

victim of that too. I don't even know if I know they're AI. Yeah. If you're like in patient care, maybe I've seen it and I haven't noticed it too. Well, I saw one the other day and this one actually kind of tricked me and it was like a 60 year old Korean woman and she had amazing skin and she was talking about things that she did for her skin. And I was like, wow. I mean, she looks amazing. She had wrinkles and stuff. But then I was like, wait a second. Yeah. I like went on her page. And I started, like, I started looking the way her mouth was moving wasn't really like perfectly, like, lining up. It was just, but it was very hard to detect. That said, I do wonder if the pendulum will swing back a little bit because now the only way to tell if somebody is real is through imperfections.

And I feel like people might start embracing that more to differentiate themselves from AI. I think so. I think so. I think it's going to be like you're going to. this new age of realism that's going to come into play. I think it's definitely going to be on the rise, but the hope is that AI doesn't catch on and start creating imperfect. I mean, well, it's going to. It's going to.

The other thing that I see, not to like totally hijack this, but I saw an AI makeup artist on TikTok, and she had like carousels of, this is how I do a smoky eye, this is how I do this eye, this eye. And she has peach fuzz and she has hyperpigmentation. She has wrinkles and pores and everything. And like, you would never know if you came across the post. And then I click on her profile.

And I'm like, something about this isn't. Maybe that's for lives. They're going to become the biggest thing. Yeah. Right. Yeah. True. Like, you can't. I know.

I know. I know. Another thing. I don't know. That level just went off. I know. We both look at each other like, oh. We're like, wait.

Did we just realize? Oh, no. Oh, my God. Maybe though. Maybe. I don't know. Okay. Is there a condition that you feel like is being.

totally mismanaged by people at home, whether that's something like glass skin where they're just flooding themselves with all these products or over-exfoliating or, you know, I know that last time we talked a lot about hyperpigmentation. You said something that changed the way I look at myself and aging and skin and everything. We were talking about, I think, Botox and freezing everything. And I think I had said that Dr. Talley said to me once, like, if you see someone who's completely frozen, that's usually a sign of age because when people get older, they try to completely freeze all of their movement. He's like, I see that as somebody older. And I think we were talking about that. And then you said it's not, and you kind of alluded to this earlier, it's not the lack of movement or the lack of lines.

It's even skin. Yeah. And I was like, wait what? I never really thought about that. And you were talking about like reflecting light. And I was like, wow, wait a second. And do you subscribe? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I subscribe. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, but it's true. That's, I think, one of the biggest misconceptions that I still, not that I've been, like, I'm not like a hundred years old, but like that I still deal with every single day on social. And it's so funny because I think it's so ingrained in us, right, that orange juice, vitamin C. We all think we need to drink orange juice still if you're a child of the 80s, but now we know better. People still really believe that it's your lines and your wrinkles, at least in this part of the world, that's aging you fastest.

And it's funny, I actually did a video yesterday on Bad Bunny at the MetGala because he aged himself. And I really put a picture of him at 32 versus what he was at the Matt Gala. And one thing the makeup artist did very, very specifically, was put on all of these different sunspots, age spots, dark spots all over his face. And then I put the Paris filter on him to try to see like, how does he look if you didn't have them? And he looks like a 30-ish-year-old with a white wig. Wow. Do you know what I mean? I need to go watch them.

Yeah, it's on my Dr. Idris handle. But it's so funny. And I was like, I hope this hits home where people are getting, yes, of course, he has the lines and the wrinkles and he has the laxity from the prosthetics. But he looks so much better without the sunspots versus when he had the sunspots painted on by the makeup artist. And it really does drive that message home. And I say this out of experience from my practice. And I've been practiced for over 10 years. If someone comes in on a budget financially and they're like, I can only do one thing, which I hate picking clearly, this or that did not work. I usually focus on what can I do in office. for their skin tone if and only if they are militant with a skincare routine because the laser is not going to cure you. It's just going to kind of clear some of that noise superficially, but the damage is inside your cells. So it will wake up and try to come back. So you got to keep the results suppressed and consistent by using the right actives for the long run. So that's probably what I will usually turn to if someone is on a budget and only wants one thing but it's trying to get the biggest bang for their buck. That's usually what I'll go with. I think

that's so important for people to hear because there seems to be a misconception that you can go in and you can do a laser or you can go and you can do a procedure surgery whatever Botox filler and your skin's going to magically be better. People conflate them all the time. All the time. Which is understandable. And like for lasers at least in my experience, they can help, but they really, it's not a panacea. It's not a panacea. It's not. And it's frustrating because sometimes it comes back so quickly to your point. Like the damage is there. But it's like you go get lipo. You're not going to run to McDonald's. I need a big mac. and expect your six-pack to stay, right? You've got to do the work for that to stay.

That's just one example. Or you don't go to the dentist for a dental cleaning and not brush your teeth. The dental cleaning is not going to last forever. Same thing with the lasers. Your skin is a living, breathing organ. And it's going to continuously evolve with the damage that it has. And your heart beating and and and and. So if you're not doing the work as well to maintain the results

or to make sure that the results are to the best of their outcome, forget it, you're wasting money. That's something that I'm very clear with patients because I would rather set expectations really low so patients are happy in the long run, then promise them miracles and not be able to deliver. Yeah. What is your favorite way to manage something like pigmentation? I mean, you have a great product in your line, but for people to do at home if they're not going to

make a major fade line. No, that's, so I didn't start, the product line came after the fact and it was not because I have a product line that I'm saying this. And I want to be very clear about that. I used to put patients on like a 10-step skincare routine, impossible to adhere to. And so success rates were much lower. But that's why I created the Dr. Idris major fade trio. And the most important are really the serum, the hyper serum, and the active seal.

Because within these two products, you have like 13 plus brightening actives. Now people get scared. Oh, actives. But not everything has to be at their highest level of percentage. And it's really about marrying a sweet spot of percentages in order to get results. But you need all of them because they work at. different pathways at different parts of the pathway of how you make pigment to try to suppress how you make pigment. And when people get scared, I'm like, it's like sugar. You can have a really

sweet cake or you can have a very lightly sweet cake. It's the same ingredient. It just depends how much of it you're using, you know, so don't be scared of sugar. Maybe that's not the right ingredients pick on this podcast, but you know what I'm saying. But that's sort of what I'm trying to like draw the analogy of is like it's just, you know, the dose makes the poison. Yeah. What other ingredients do you think everybody should have in their routine. For pigmentation? Just in general. I mean, I think from a product standpoint, right, you need to find foundations being foundational, the cleanser that your skin really likes that's not going to make you feel squeaky, clean, or tight, or overstripped. That's number one. And ideally, and this is sometimes, I just say, wash your face at night with

a cleanser and use water in the morning. Try to reset your skin in terms of its oil production. Number one. Even if you're using like a trinan or a retinoid, it's okay. If you're going to wash your face in the water, if you're going to wash your face in the morning with water, you're going to be more or less okay. Yeah, because the action's already done. It's not like it's active, like nine hours later, hopefully, you know, hopefully you had nine hours of sleep. Probably a lot on your pillow. Yeah, but that's where I have a tip. Like, when you come home from work, most people are home by six and they're not really social butterflies. I don't know, maybe they are. Maybe I'm just not. But you come home from work and you're not really going out. Do your skincare once you come home. So A, you have more face time with it. B, you're not just slapping it on to put it onto your pillowcase. It's really not a sexy tip, but it's one of those tips that I think really does ring, you know, true for a lot of people and it hits home and they start seeing results more. But cleanser, I think for sure. I think understanding, your skin type in the environment that you're in. So you know what type of moisturizer you're looking for. Not all moisturizers are created equal if you need more hydration or not. I think those are like quick, simple fixes to get your foundation right so you're not so inflamed. And then three, what is your skin's biggest issue today? I don't want to just jump and say, use a red

and all for anti-aging. Is it pigmentation? Is it redness? Is it lines? And then focus on one of your biggest issues and incorporate a product that has that active at an effective level. And then last, of course, sunscreen. You know, find the sunscreen that you will actually want to use every day. They're not all created equal. You know, you have to kiss many frogs before you decide. And so find the sunscreen that you're going to want to, you know, slap on your face in the morning every day because that's the best habit that you can have. Is there a product category or an ingredient that you think people are kind of obsessed with that's unnecessary? I don't know if they're unnecessary. I definitely overhyped. I think like, there's a lot. There's a lot, right? From like,

1980s like collagen. Okay. Okay. Overhyped. Not unnecessary. It's a beautiful hydrating product. Yeah. Is it going to replenish your collagen? If it has pure collagen, absolutely not. You know, it's way too big. What about like biomimetic collagen? I mean, if it has like peptides, like, you know, precursors, sure. That can be helpful. Yeah. It's all build it. But it's like when you see like pure collagen, it's not going to, you know, help restore volume like that. I think PDRN is one that is not unnecessary, but definitely over. hyper-hyped at the moment, you know, riding a wave. But good over-micronedling. Much better over-micronedling because it needs assistance in order to be delivered into the deeper

tissues. You know, like it's not just sitting on the surface of your skin. It's a beautiful hydrator. But it's when it works deeper that it has the effects both on the inflammatory pathway and the repair of your skin. Just on the surface level, I don't think, I think the jury is still out, you know. So I think a lot of people are spending a lot of money, not fully understanding it and not really, you know, if they're getting the placebo effect, and I say this genuinely great,

you know, but not everybody's going to get that. What about like milky toners? Or toners, essences, like that I feel like that's a big thing right now. It's a big question mark. Because who knows what's in them? Are we talking about a toner that's exfoliating or are we talking about a toner that's hydrating? And I don't think the mass public knows to differentiate and they just think I need a toner. Yeah. But a lot of the toners have exfoliating acids that I wouldn't recommend necessarily using in the morning, especially if you're not wearing a sunscreen and your skin's going to be more sensitive to the sun. So milky toner is more of like a qualifier for the type of category that it is and it's nice that it's milky and it sounds luxurious, et cetera. But I think you've got to

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I mean, it's a bluffs. I think for sure. Genuinely, I've seen some bad, I'm like, so I think the blefs. You can't grow eyelids. You can't grow eyelids skin back. You can't re-change your look. The eye surgery is like one that I know most people will eventually even, I would go and say need,

especially if it blocks their peripheral vision as they get older. But it's the scariest one because it can really change how you look and you really want to try to find the right person for you who respects your anatomy and your look and not try to overcorrect either. But yeah, voice of the bluffs. You talk a lot about inflammation as well. Do you feel like people are overdoing it in general with their routines? Oh, like they're causing their skin to get inflamed.

Yeah, I do. I think the morning shed. Oh, that's another one. Like what I think are those old, are those jokes? Like, you've not seen those where someone wakes up like at 3 a.m. Okay. And they have like an LED mask on top of like a shower. That can be real. I think it's like comedy. I don't know. I think it's comedy. I mean,

but I'm like, how many of these can people do over and over again? Yeah. I mean, I would say, I'm trying to think like the biggest shed that I would have done in the past. Like when I was taping, and there are still nights that I'll tape because it definitely helps me like, because I'm like this in my sleep. So sometimes I wake up with like. You're not talking about mouth taping. Mm-mm. Okay. Like forehead taping. Okay. That and maybe like a silk bonnet. I mean, God bless you, if you're able to wake up with that stuff still on you.

Like, everything is off by the morning, so I don't know. Yeah. Usually I take the thing off. Yeah, like even if I tried to sleep with like a silk eye mask, that shirt is off my eyes in 10 minutes. I know. Why do we do that? I don't know who can sleep with it. Sometimes I can. But for the most part, like I wake up and I'm like, when and why did I take that off in the middle of the night? Because you want to relax. Silk pillow cases are better. Yeah, just get a slip pillow case. Yeah. But yeah, now I know. I've seen the ones where they have like the heatless curler.

things and they have the yes all that stuff yes a million things okay so that's backfiring I think it's I mean on their like mental health yeah yeah and their partners and their partners I don't think it's real I just don't think there's any way that anybody can you have to find

someone and interview them yes I know like one person I can think of one person who I've seen do a lot of that content what are some steps in somebody's skincare routine that might be kind of backfiring like we're talking about is it things like over-exploitation stripping the barrier with, you know, too much cleansing or the wrong cleanser? I think it's, I definitely think it's going wrong and strong. So like, over-exploiting is definitely

one of them, right? I think 2020 happened. People were at home. They were bored. They really went down that path of over-exploading. And then they stopped completely and now it's kind of starting again. So I do think it's sort of that pendulum swing. The second, I think, is, you know, really trying to go more stronger is better, like trying to level up, stack their skincare, higher percentages, max it out, whatever, the face maxing, skincare maxing, maxing, maxing, maxing, maxing, maxing, maxing, fibromaxing, everything. I have no idea. Everyone's maxing everything.

Like, I don't want to find that for them. Yeah. Trying to go really high on the percentage. And I say this, like, especially with like retinols, right? It's not about going to the highest percentage all the time at the cost of your skin being inflamed, flaky red. If your skin is in plain, flaky red, not worth it. You're doing more harm than good. The goal is to use a lesser percentage and even quote unquote weaker option, like a reddenol versus a prescription. But doing it four or five nights a week versus one or two nights every month and not being able to tolerate it. So it's really about my favorite sentence of all time, consistency over intensity when it comes to skin care and cosmetic procedures and a lot of everything else in life. But that's probably the biggest thing that's causing people more harm. them good. Is there a piece of advice that you find yourself repeating, like over and over?

Intensity. Every day. Every day. Every day. Every day. Every day. Every day. Every day. Every day. And then age spots are your number one sign of aging. Okay. So what else are we doing for age spots? If we're doing the at home, lightning, brightening, what lasers do you like for that? At home over the counter. Then you have to understand how to incorporate prescriptions like hydroquinone. That it's not going to be something you're going to have long term in your skincare routine, but it's something that gives you like an initial boost, especially let's say you're getting married, you have a red carpet event, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you have in-office procedures before the lasers that you can help yourself with, whether it's injecting, let's say you have melasma, transonic acid into your patches to help to minimize them.

And you can incorporate that with my crnealing without heat. I don't like heat for melasma. I think it rebounds worse. And so I usually try to treat without anything that's heat-based other than the laser for redness, which you can talk about in a second. And a V-beam? Like a V-beam. V-beam can help indirect.

with melasma as well, especially if somebody flushes a lot and that superficial heat triggers your patches to wake up. And I like it because it doesn't break your skin barrier, so it's not going to make you more sensitive. And then if you don't have melasma, then there are options from lights to lasers, right? So either IPL or BBLs, that can also help. They're not as strong as lasers, but I kind of liken it to washing a wall before you paint it. And then you have lasers like a light, a clear and brilliant, permia version, to a fractionated laser, like a 1927 to things that are a little bit stronger, obviously, with more downtime. But when you're younger, I definitely try to avoid going down the aggressive route because your

skin is beautiful for the most part, most people, that I don't want to cause more harm. So I try to work mostly with the skincare routine first. And I consider the lasers really as the cherry on top of ice cream. What do you think about red light? Therapy? Yeah. It's interesting. Listen, I have my last mom.

I don't use it. Near infrared red light, I have noticed that when I sit under a very strong divest, I walk out after 20 minutes. I look like the cryptkeeper and I'm like, this is not for me. Then I need three weeks to reverse the damage. I'm like stress. Yeah. I do have a lot of patients who use it, who don't have a lasma, who swear by it. I think when we're looking at devices for home buying, like at home use, you're not comparing apples to apples because you don't have all the data there and it's very hard as a consumer to know what to buy. And even as somebody who's within the beauty industry, I can't tell you this is necessarily better than that.

Yeah. So I tell patients like look for either companies that. that are telling you that they're checking every single light bulb, that it's really a little LED light and that, you know, they're really quality checking each light bulb. Or it has the most number of light bulbs because ultimately it's usually very low in terms of what you're getting and you're overpaying for it. That being said, when patients use it and they love it and they think they're seeing results, if they're living in a happy dream, why am I going to bust their bubble?

Do you know what I mean? If they're happy about it and it's bringing them joy and it's bringing them peace of mind and it's part of their wellness routine. Even if it's placebo, let's just argue and say, great, it's not hurting them. But if it is like somebody like me where I saw the negative impact pretty fast on my skin, of course, avoid it and don't do it. You know, you saw you don't need to buy and move on. Do I think if you don't do it, are you doomed for life?

No, I don't. I think there are so many other things that you could be doing for your skin that are going to give you more proven long-term benefits in terms of the aging process then a red light mask that is still questionably iffy in terms of how strong it is for at-home use for the long run. Is there anything very simple that works really well, but it's not sexy? With regards to anti-aging or regards to...

Aging, skin, whatever. Honestly, when you get home, wash your hands before you do your skincare, but do your skincare immediately. It's so dumb. It's not sexy. And if you're not going to eat dinner, if you ate dinner, brush your teeth before you do your skin care. It makes a huge difference.

Yeah. Because it's all about concerns. I think that's one. I coined the term face-baseding by putting diaper rash cream on my face. That's having a moment right now. Oh, is it? Yes. Really? Yeah. That was like two, three years ago. Really? I know. I see it all over my TikTok at the moment. Well, they probably don't even know that I've like think outside. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's huge. You know how much backlash I got when I started that? Oh. Yeah. Now like everyone's doing it and all the other the TikTok terms are coming on and they're saying, oh yes, this is actually diaper rash cream. Yes. They're Educating. Yours truly.

Giving you your flowers. But it happened, thanks. No, but it happened because it was the dead of winter and I had inflamed skin and I had little kids. I have an eight-year-old and a six-year-old now. So this was a couple of years ago. Not that I took their tub because I had the little fall once. I would not put my hand and put that on my face. But my face was so inflamed from like the wind burns.

And I was like, if this is good enough for their butt, let me do it on my face. And it was so much better the next morning that it really helps. And I was like, wait, this is great for when you're using a retinol or this is great when you're using this. And I had so many people try to tell me how crazy I was. And I was like, don't knock it until you try it. Okay. Again, if it's not hurting you, why do we have to be so angry? Yeah.

But it really does help. And I use it for patients in my office post-procedurally, like if I'm doing like a fraxil or if I'm doing something that's going to cause more inflammation, just to calm their skin a little bit, I will put a zinc oxide diaper rash cream on their face and send them off. Okay. I'm doing croxel next week. The most chic women of New York City walk out with diaper rash cream on their face. Just like a white cast.

Yeah. And I'm like, just own it. home. It's so crazy. Yeah, I've been seeing it so much. And I'm like, what is that? And there are girls saying, you know, they wake up and their acne is gone. And I mean, again, exaggeration for effect. I don't think it's like a miracle in that sense. But if you have blemishes that are due to an inflamed skin barrier and you're helping your barrier over time, it's probably going to help a little bit. Friend Sutter. What is your most controversial beauty take? I don't know how controversial it is. I mean, okay, like simple ones, like you don't need a dedicated

hyalronic acid serum. You don't, okay, to have like this glass skin that doesn't exist. It's in every single product. It's not even the best humectin and it's overmarketed because you know what it is. So companies are going to put it in there because it's easier to have you convinced that it's good. That's why it has such a big marketing budget, okay? And I think as time has shown in the past four, five, six, seven years, brands are leaning towards other humectins. Glistrin is being talked about much more. What's it called? Urea is being talked about much more. There are other humectins that are being talked about as well. So I think that was one, you know, that I was vocal about, especially at a time when it was being pushed so heavily, where even larger companies like

stopped wanting to work with me because I was just like, you don't need a dedicated serum was my point. I'm not saying it's the devil. It's just don't need a dedicated serum. I think the second is like you don't need to wash your face in the morning with a cleanser. That doesn't mean don't wash your face with water. Water is still a light wash, but you don't need to cleanse your face in the morning, especially if your skin is not so problematic or acne-prone. or if you're on the drier side and then beef tallow, but I'm just going to end there. Oh my God. At first second, I thought you were going to say that you changed your opinion that it's good.

I was like, wait a second. Beef tallow and I'm just, yeah, we're ending there. You got it. Yeah. I was like, I don't know if you saw my eyes get wild. I was like, wow, is there going to be like a hot take right now? No, there's no hot take. Okay.

Okay. I want to end with some rapid fire. I don't know if this might be hard to do rapid fire on, but let me see. What is one treatment that people can skip? So hard. I love all my children. Yeah. I love all of them.

I know. And it's very like a final individual. Okay, you want to know one treatment. I don't think people should skip if you have the ability and this is something that you want in your life. I do think the idea of fat stem cells, starting in your late 30s, once every, I'm not saying year, five years even. Just to keep that regenerative process from the inside out going on is something that will, I think it's going to be picked up more and more. I think the fact that you can, I mean,

germs have been doing lipos, not under general anesthesia since the 80s, and I've been trained in liposuction. But I don't know, it's only until more recent years, or I'm like, we need to start doing this more in office because people are just doing this when they're getting facelifts. And it's almost like it's too late

because now they're past 55, 60. And so how much are you regenerating? So if you're able to regenerate before, it's been biologically proven that you age faster, like at 44, to keep that process, It's just going much more naturally. I think that's one thing that is going to become much more of a staple if this is how you want to age, doing procedures for your long-term plan. And it's really just purely from the inside out.

Are you extracting it? Yeah. And then saving it? Never. Okay. That's why I also like how I do it. Yeah. Because when you save it, there comes with so much more risk.

Contamination. Yeah. Same thing with the peptides, right? Can bacteria grow in it? Yeah. God forbid, do they swap it? Hopefully not if it's in a respectable place. But all of those are risks.

So when you're doing it on the spot, but also when you're doing it on the spot, like I suck it out, you get dressed, I process your fat in the moment, I come back, I inject it. Boom, bum, done, right? It's simple. It's easy. And there's less risk of other things potentially developing. Okay. I'm going to bookmark that. If you could only pick one, the most underrated skincare ingredient.

The most, I think glycerin. It's such a cheap humectin. Yeah. And like I feel like I did kind of make it sexy because I was so anti-hlytheronic acid like syrims. But I think it's been around for so long and it's a great humectin. Your favorite cheap but effective skincare category or product? Cheap but effective. Diperash cream is not cheap that I could tell you. I think like a really good cleanser, you know, you find the cleanser that you like that doesn't burn your eyes that you can use every day without overstripping your face.

It's going to set the tone of how your skin reacts down the road. What is one thing you would never do to your own face? I would never take my buckle fat out, even though I am prone to getting jowls. I will just hold on to it until they want to reposition it one day when I get a lift. Oh my God. Yeah. Same. Someone asked me, every now and then you get like an angle and someone's like, did you take your buckle fat?

And I'm like, never. I already have taken fat and put it back in my face. We're not fucking fat out. No. No. Does anything actually, quote unquote, enlarge pores? Pores can't shrink, right? No, pores can't shrink.

And when people come and say, I want to shrink my pores, I'm like, oh, my God. your magnifying mirror out. Yeah. But I will say this is something that people are confused and mismanaging themselves as well at home that does lead to the look of bigger pores. But when you have chronic superficial inflammation, like imagine this is your poor, right? And your skin is inflamed. It's going to look bigger.

If your skin is not inflamed, your pore looks smaller. Yeah. And so that superficial swell does make your pores look bigger because they're dilated because the skin is expanded. So treating that superficial redness, whether it is by switching your skincare routine, minimizing the inflammation, or if you do have rosacea, doing a V-beam is also one of the most under, I think, appreciated procedures that we have within the cosmetic world. Because once you treat that redness and the patient sees that difference, it's like a light bulb goes off as well. Like their skin looks clear. It looks more effortless. They look less grainy and textural as well.

And it really does change the whole quality of your skin. Your desert island skincare product. Dr. Idris made her fade. Because there is a sunscreen in that category. Something that people are doing that's inadvertently making them age faster or that they're unaware of. I mean, the sun, you know. Well, thank you so much for coming. No, thank you for having me.

That was so fun. And tell everyone where they can find you and find Dr. Idris and all of the good things. Like, where's Waldo? I'm in New York City at my practice. practice at Idris Dermatology, but you can find me online on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, at Shereen Idris. You can also find me at doctor.eddardis, which is my skincare brand, and at Idris Dermatology, which is my practice. You're everywhere.

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