Well with Arielle Lorre - 484: Celebrity Makeup Artist Nikki DeRoest on Looking Fresh, Expensive Makeup & Her Best Beauty Hacks

Episode Date: September 30, 2026

Celebrity makeup artist and founder of Ciele Cosmetics Nikki DeRoest joins me for a very fun, very practical beauty episode all about the makeup techniques that actually make a difference. Nikki has spent years working with some of the most recognizable faces in Hollywood, so we get into what celebrity skin really looks like, how she preps skin before makeup, and the tricks that make makeup look polished, expensive and actually last.We talk about the makeup practices that can unintentionally age you, how to keep concealer from settling into under-eye lines, what most people struggle with when doing their own makeup, and where you should—and absolutely should not—spend your money. Nikki also shares her favorite products, her signature skin and makeup prep, tips for undoing years of tanning-bed damage, and the small techniques that can completely change the way your makeup looks.You can find Nikki @nikkideroest on InstagramThanks to my sponsors:Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you visit Nutrafol.com and enter promo code BLONDEHead to PaulasChoice.com and use code WELL25 for 25% off your order of $100 or more.Visit WACOAL.com and use code WELL at checkout for 10% off your first purchase.Go to TM.org/well to find a certified teacher near you and learn more about getting started.Be slick with the göt2b Wax Stick! Visit got2b.us for more information.Head to ladder.fit/WELL and take a quiz to find your perfect ladder plan. Use my link and get a free 7-day trial with NO credit card, and $10 off your first month if you join.Visit Wildgrain.com/WELL to get $30 off your first box, plus free croissants for life. This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Produced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Well, a podcast about wellness in all its forms. I'm Ariel Laurie, and each week I'm sharing unfiltered conversations with the people shaping how we feel, live, and look. Come for the substance, stay for the honesty, and leave with the tools to be well, inside and out. Today's guest is one of my new favorite people, and I don't say that lately because I feel like my roster lately has been top top tier, like genuinely lots of A plus guests and I love them all,

but I have to say that I just absolutely loved Nikki DeRoust. So she is a celebrity makeup artist. She's the founder of Seal Cosmetics, which is a clean, vegan, acne safe, fragrance-free, mineral-based SPF makeup line that I am totally obsessed with. I swear by their skin tin and they have so many other amazing products. This is not sponsored. I am just a total fan girl. And she has been in the beauty industry for over 20 years. She's worked with some of the most beautiful and influential women in the world, including Rosie Huntington Whiteley, Haley, Haley, Haley, Beber, Anna De Aramis, and so many more. And she is also just the ultimate girl's girl. She is so warm. She's so fun. She's so generous with her knowledge. And I love this conversation because we really got into the beauty stuff that

you actually want to know. So we talk makeup mistakes that can age you, how to make your makeup look more expensive and polished, what actually makes a difference when you're doing your own makeup. We talk skin prep, concealer, where to spend your money versus where you absolutely don't need to. And all of Nikki's favorite products and tricks from years of working with faces professionally, she is incredibly candid. She gives such good specific advice. I honestly could have talked to her for another three hours and I know you're going to love her as much as I did. So please enjoy Nikki de Roost. Welcome. Thank you. I am so excited to talk to you. As you know, I'm a huge fan of your brand. Huge. And actually I ran out of the tint today and I was looking in the mirror and I'm like,

I'd like to support. I brought you one of our new launches. But I when I was coming over here, I was like, should I bring her anything? No. Yeah. I'm, I always like. like supporting brands that I love. But I was looking in the mirror in there before you got here. And I'm like, why does my skin look so dull? And I'm like, it's because I'm using like regular foundation. Right, right, right. So I can't wait to talk to you about all things beauty. But to start, I want to do a round of finish the sentence. Okay. Okay. The makeup mistake that ages people the most is wearing mat on their face. I feel seen. I'm like wearing mat.

Yeah. I know. You're like, I see you. Do you know Caroline Hurons, Hirons? Yes. Yeah. I don't know her personally, but I know her. I always reference her because she has a book that I read a couple years ago and she was like, I'll be Matt when I'm dead.

And I was like, exactly. Thank you. The product most women are using way too much of is anything super active that is drying out the skin and making it. sad and annoyed. We're going to get into all of this to circle back on that. The makeup product people spend too much money on is probably lipliner. Oh, say more. I just feel like there's certain things that you splurge on that are more lux, but most pencils all come from the same factory. I mean, there's nuances. It could be, you know, if an artist made it and you love the shade or things like that, but there's a lot of great drugstore lip liners out there.

That's true. Yeah. That is really true. The one category where expensive makeup really is better is complexion. Okay. The beauty trend I'm ready to never see again is. The blocky eyebrow trend of 2016. Yes.

That I fear like sometimes is coming back, but hopefully it won't. Yeah. I'm trying to undo my brow mistakes of the past because I did. It wasn't really blocky, but I feel like 2018-ish was like the time of microblading. Yeah. Microblading. Yeah. Did you ever do that now?

I didn't do it. That was the one thing. I did lip blushing, but I never went into the brow. It's horrible. Mine now is like gray and I have a lot of brow hair, but they do look blocky sometimes. I don't think they're blocky, but I understand. Yeah. I'm scared to like go through because I've seen.

people who try to remove it. And sometimes it's successful, but other times, like, either they lose the hair, it turns at a really weird color. Like, it's just a little risky. I wonder if there's any topical something that could help, like, get it to go? I don't know. I mean, glycolic on your eyebrows all this time. Well, if anybody has experimented with that, I would say it would be me because I've done so many, like, active on my face. I mean, my Jan Marini routine that I used to do, 11 products, like nine of them were acids. Yeah, yeah. So maybe that did fade them a little bit.

I tried to do Jan Marini and I still want to do Jan Marini, but I did it at a time that I had a lot of public facing appearances and things. And my skin was so dry from the retinol because I hadn't like caught up to it yet. Yeah. So I need to start again when I can like really commit. But I love Candice who's an esthetician and she loves Jan Marini. And so that was, I'm inspired by her transformation. Candice is the one who put me on it in 2022.

Yes. And I suddenly out of the blue got cystic acne. And I know that that's something that you've dealt with as well. And it was so frustrating because I was so healthy. And, you know, I was doing all the blood work, all the GI tests, like all the hormonal tests, everything. And I just could not find the root cause for it. Yeah. And I tried everything.

And like you wake up in the morning. praying that you're not going to have something on your face. Feel your face. And I would feel like a new giant thing in my neck. And I'm like, fuck, you know, it's just so frustrating. I have to say the skincare management system and I don't work with them. Yeah. It was like life changing for my skin.

Yeah. Yeah. So big proponent. Love us. A good aesthetician that knows what they're doing. Yes. Yes. For sure.

Okay. The most underrated makeup product is. Underrated? like something that people don't really. I mean, I don't know. I guess like a great mascara. Hmm. Okay.

I'm going to circle back on that one too. Yeah. If your makeup always looks better in the bathroom than it does outside, you're probably... I would say you got to look at your makeup in different lighting and really kind of see what's going on in there versus what's happening outside or like check your environments when you're doing it. The thing that instantly makes someone look more polished is a good. manicure, a nice, like, white button up and clean makeup. So true. Those were really good.

The secret to expensive-looking makeup is? I think similarly, it's not always about more is more. It's just sometimes I think restraint, but having it all feel like very cohesive or it's like you look good, but you can't really pull out like what the thing is that's making it look good. Your makeup looks expensive. It really does. I'm like, in awe, I need the whole routine. Okay. So what do you have on your face right now? I have on our primer that I've added some glow into. So the shade is called mother, like mother of pearl. And I never, this is like a hot take, but as a professional makeup artist, like I never use primers. So it was like very odd for me to make a primer. But I think it was just me not finding. the right one that made sense. So this isn't like one that's like that really siliconey, like feels like it's like filling in

your pores. It's just a great, almost like a light hydrator that's going to help grip the makeup and then just kind of smooth everything with added SPF. So I have that. I have our tinted serum on. I think our tinted serum is like game changer. And it's hard to explain until you try it. And you see the difference when you look at yourself in the mirror.

Like there's just something about. the radiance and the balance of like it not being too wet looking, but just it gives you this really beautiful radiant appearance and it has enough coverage that you can actually get your skin to look even. I love blush. Blush is the first product that I started the brand with. All of it came from a very selfish personal need of someone in their mid to late 30s that had gone through acne, acne scarring, redness. All the sun spots are starting. starting to come out from all of my tanning bed years and all the... Reach.

Yes. Like, it's real. If you're young, wear some protection because how much work do you do to keep everything at bay? I mean, the limit doesn't exist. Yeah. It's like the amount of lasers that I've done, particularly on my body. Because I, too, was in the tanning beds. Yeah.

Sometimes two a days. Yeah. We were doing two days. Where did you grow up? In Washington. Okay. So we had no son. Rhode Island.

Yeah. Yeah. And I was like from, I mean, we're very close in age. So like tanning beds were early 2000s. And I was like so good at it that I would lay in like weird positions in the bed. So that it wouldn't get the white spot. Yeah. I didn't want armpit lines. I would like flip around and I had a tanning pass. I would go literally every day. Same. Yeah. Yeah. Like the smell of the burning flesh mixed with the lotion and just like the music. It reminds, it's such a specific. It's so, memory. Yes. And it was always, the ones that I would go to would be like in the back of like someone selling clothes in the front of the story. And then they had beds in the back. And then you'd want to go to the one that's like really hot that kind of burns you a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah. The highest voltage. Yes. Yeah, I remember the one that I did. I can't remember. It had the most extreme name, extreme branding. 12 minutes.

And then all the lotions that you could buy to put, to make it go. The tingle lotions, like, just to bring all the blood to your skin. It was crazy. I always say that younger generations are so lucky because they have been educated now. And now there's spray tans and self-tanner and everything. Like, we only had Juergens, natural sun. And there was like one, maybe it was Neutrigina. I can smell it. I don't remember what it was. But we didn't have that many options. And like tanning beds were par for the course. That's what everybody was doing. But now I feel like tanning is back. The younger kids were tanning. They are tanning. I'm like, what do you do? It all comes back around, but you can fake a tan. Like,

there's so many good products now to fake a tan, but like anyone young, don't tan because there, it's so much maintenance to try to undo all of that. And malasmusma and sunspots, they don't go away. You just like maintain the depth of how deep they are. Yeah. So yeah, that was my long tangent to say that blush was the first thing that I made with SPF 50 because that was always my problem area was my cheeks. And I was like, if I can get more sun protection in this area and that's what I'm topping up every day, like, that is a win to me. Because I would choose a blush with sunscreen every day. Yeah. The whole point of CL is more as more as more because no one's going to put on half a teaspoon and like do the layers just through their skin care. So I want to provide extra protection. Yeah. No, you've like hit it out of the park. It's so good. There's a

world of striking a balance. Like, I live down by the beach now and I put sunscreen on every day. Do I wear a hat every second that I'm outside of the house? No. But like, I just know that I'm going to have to deal with the repercussions after. So it's like, yeah. But I also think people should live life and like enjoy and vitamin D is also good for you. So it's just finding the balance. Maybe they'll find a peptide to erase it. I know. They have peptides to make you tan. Literally every doctor that comes on show. I'm like, can I just ask you a personal question? Like, when can we actually reverse the age of your skin? Literally, I know. We can do everything else. And for me, it's not even really the pigment. It's the creepiness. And that you really can't do anything about it. So, like, kids. Have you started

noticing your hands yet? I haven't noticed, but TikTok has noticed. Oh, lovely. Yeah. That's one place now where, like, I look at them and I'm like, when I have them like this and I'm like, oh, like, but I'm not good at, I need to be putting treatments and doing all the things. I just. Maybe your next product or something will be like. Yeah, exactly. If you feel like your hair just is not what it used to be, maybe it feels thinner, you're seeing more shedding, or you just want it to look fuller and healthier.

Nutrival takes a really comprehensive approach to hair growth. So Nutrival is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand. And what I like about their approach is that they're not just looking at hair and isolation, their formulas really target key root causes that can impact hair growth, including stress, hormones, lifestyle, nutrition with clinically tested ingredients. And hair growth is obviously not an overnight thing. Consistency really matters. In fact, in a clinical study, 84% of women saw stronger hair and less breakage after six months. And 90% saw overall improvement in their hair. They also have different formulas designed for different stages of life. So you can

find one that actually makes sense for you. And for anybody who cannot take biotin, they also have a formula now that does not contain it. So if Fuller, stronger, healthier looking hair is one of your goals. Give Nutraful a try. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering my listeners, $10 off your first month subscription, plus free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code well. That's N-U-T-R-A-F-O-L.com and the code is well for $10 off your first month's subscription plus free shipping. If your skin is feeling dry, stressed, or just not quite as plump as you want it to look, this is where a really good moisturizer can make such a huge difference and I'm very into formulas that do more than just sit on top of your skin and make it feel moisturized for five minutes. So Paula's choice peptide intensive moisturizer is powered by a three times pro-collegin peptide complex to visibly plump and support firmer-looking skin.

It has this really rich, gorgeous, cushiony texture that feels so amazing when your skin needs a little more hydration. It also delivers up to 120 hours of hydration. That's right. So you're getting that immediate moisture, but you're also getting hydration that actually lasts beyond application. And that is huge because I know I don't have to tell you. I'm sure you've all experienced putting a moisturizer on. Your skin feels really gorgeous and silky for a few minutes and then it's dry again. So it's clinically proven to plump skin.

And 93% of users agreed that their skin felt immediately protected from dryness. I also love that Paula's choice has always taken such a science-backed approach to skincare. It's about proven ingredients and visible results, which is exactly what I want from my products. and I have to say I put this to the test after travel when my skin is just so chronically dehydrated and it worked beautifully. So discover science-backed peptide-powered hydration with Paula's Choice peptide intensive moisturizer at paulishchoice.com.

Right now you can use the code well 25 for 25% off your order of $100 or more. Again, Paula's choice.com and the code is well 25. I am very particular when it comes to bras because I want them to actually do something for me. I want them to lift. I want them to shape. I want them to support. But I also don't want to spend my entire day thinking about the fact that I am wearing one. And that balance is exactly what Wachol does so well. Wackle has been making bras for decades. So they really understand fit and construction. And they have options for basically every body, every outfit and every level of support. Their bras are designed to give you that really flattering shape under clothes without

sacrificing comfort, whether you want something super seamless for every day, if you want a little more lift, or if you want more support. And I really truly think that we underestimate how much the right bra changes in outfit. I recently was recording a podcast and I was wearing a v-neck cardigan. And when I first put it on, it just didn't really look right. And then when I put a walkhole bra on that really supported and sculpted, it completely changed the look of my total. outfit. So if something isn't sitting quite right, sometimes it's not the top. It's actually what is underneath it. And the right bra can completely change the way your clothes fit and, of course, how you feel in them. So if your bra drawer could use an upgrade, visit wakle.com and use the code well

at checkout for 10% off your first purchase. That's W-A-C-O-A-L.com. And the code is well for 10% off your first purchase. Offer valid for new customers only. Limit one code per customer. back in 2018, I learned Transcendental Meditation and of all the wellness things that I've tried over the years, it is something I continue to come back to again and again. I always say, if there were a supplement that could make me feel the way that meditation does, everybody would take it, but there isn't. So I've told this story many times, but at the time I was with my ex-husband and I was noticing that a lot of people that we were socializing with and interacting with, including my wedding planner at the time, who just had that genusaco, that calmness and that groundedness and that

presence about them, they were all doing transcendental meditation. And what I love about TM is that it's incredibly simple. You don't have to clear your mind. You don't have to concentrate or even be good at meditating. You learn the technique one-on-one from a certified TM teacher, and then it is yours for life. It's 20 minutes, twice a day. And for me, it creates this reset that is very hard to replicate with anything else. I feel more grounded. I feel more creative, I feel more flexible, and just more like myself when I am practicing consistently. And there is this interesting paradox. I think a lot of people feel like they don't have time to meditate or meditating for 20 minutes twice a day is just too disruptive to their schedules. But what really happens is it creates so much more mental space and clarity so that you can be more effective with everything else that you're doing during the day.

And this is not just anecdotal. TM has been studied extensively with more than 480 peer reviewed studies looking at benefits. including stress, sleep, and anxiety. So go to TM.org slash well. That's TM.org slash W-E-L to find a teacher near you and learn more about getting started. Okay. Well, you've been in the game for so long. I mean, you started literally at the beauty counters, right? And you've been doing makeup professionally for over 20 years. Like, you basically have a PhD in beauty. Yeah. I'm calling it. You're like a doctor. I love it. How has your approach changed?

And what would you say your beauty philosophy is now? I think it's actually very similar to where I started. And what I love about starting at the counters is that I started with real women. So being a celebrity makeup artist, now my job's very easy. I mean, most talent that I'm getting, they're flawless, they're, you know, like, they're on camera. There's a reason why they're an actress. And so having the start with. women that have crepey eyes or that have saggy skin or, you know, teenagers with acne,

it gives you a different approach to how and a realistic approach to, you know, what you can do with makeup. So I would say my philosophy is, I like to call it like lived in glamour. So I do, I love makeup. Like I want my skin to look flawless. I want it to have glow to it. I'm not like a no makeup person, but I want it to also feel. like it's lived in a bit. So I'm okay with eyeshadows that get creasy. Like I think that looks cooler and it looks more real or not obsessing over everything being like perfectly symmetrical. No one's face is symmetrical. So like the obsession over that, I just, I don't buy into that. So it's like that push and pull of like let's start with a flawless complexion and then we can kind of play in the other

areas. What is your recipe for a flawless complexion? It really, you know, it starts with skin prep. I think that's important. And I can really tell, especially when I do makeup on younger girls, I can tell like it was interesting. Like this was a long time ago, but I was doing makeup. I had to have been for like a bunch of high school girls. Like 20 years ago, I probably was doing this. And I could tell the girls that their moms started them on a skincare routine when they're like 12 or 13. versus the ones that didn't. And it can be as simple as a moisturizer. It doesn't have to be this like 30 step. I know now the younger generation knows a lot about skincare, but it can be as simple as hydration. And all the girls that had acne had problem skin

were not using a moisturizer. So I think sometimes there's like simplicity and how you do it, but it comes with like a really nourished, like happy, barrier and then the makeup goes on so much better on the top of it. And then obviously great formulas, which I feel like I kind of nailed it with that. For sure. You totally did. And I think the internet would agree. I hope so. And consumers, but obviously like I just, anytime that I've posted about like the skin tin or anything, people are like, like, it's the best. And I, maybe because I talk about it, my algorithm is this, but like on TikTok, especially people do all

their videos of like best skin tins, best coverage products. Like it's always like number one. It's such a trip. Yeah. I don't go on TikTok a lot because it scares me. And obviously because I care so much about my brand and what I've made that I know not every person is going to love it, right? But it still like hurts my heart when I see someone that doesn't like it, you know?

And so, but I've been lucky enough, like, especially in like the TikTok videos where they're doing like, oh, top 10 and I all like slowly like wait. And then when we get to number one, I'm like, oh my gosh, that's so cool. Like they love it, you know. And so. I can tell you I've never seen any negative things. Yeah. About your products or your brand. So it's a tall order. I'm reporting to you from the other side. Thank you. Thank you. What have you noticed as far as like kind of the inverse, the people in your chair? Like what has changed over the years and what are people asking for more? and what are they more like averse to? I think people are more savvy when it comes to products on the skin, what we're using cleanliness, just overall. Like I think the looks, the looks are more, I don't know,

it used to be, we were very clean girl for a while. I feel like we're getting more into looks again, which is fun. But I think in general, in my chair, what people ask for is like great complexion. That's like the number one ask all around. I saw a video on TikTok where I get all my information. I think it was Katie Jane Hughes. And she was saying like before red carpets oftentimes if she wants makeup to stay put, there's no skincare underneath. And I was like, what?

You're like, excuse me? Yeah. I know everyone has their own technique. Sure. But what have you found? I kind of come from a different camp. Like I'm not doing as much of the like I'm not, we usually don't have time to do like a face mask that they leave on for X amount of time. I like to give a really good massage. I think even

just that five, ten minutes of, you know, starting at the limbs, doing a nice, like, lymphatic massage really helps. But I think I shock people a lot that I prep everyone with a face oil. Not straight up, but my favorite moisturizer for carpet is Bobby Brown's vitamin-rich face base. They've been around forever. I've actually worked with them for almost 10 years. But that's like a real staple tried and true. You can't get that wrong. But I still like to drop in like two to three drops of oil and especially when I'm doing the massage. And I think that used to really shock people, but it's because that also helps to give you that underglow that comes out in the makeup. So I'm less about a lot of like topical highlighters and things. It's more about what's underneath

that's going to come out and then just powdering in areas that you need it. I feel like your looks, both on yourself and on your clients, there is a difference because you're right. They look like they're radiant from within and not from some kind of sheen or highlighter or something like that. Yeah. I feel like you were kind of like you're kind of the queen of like glass skin. I don't know if you like that term or not, but like the dewy, glassy, not greasy, but just like that beautiful, radiant, glowing skin. Yeah. Like you're so good at that. Yeah. And it's. It's. I guess for better for worse. Like I forget to powder a lot. Like today I should have probably powdered. I didn't powder. Like, and I have to remind myself for like carpet clients.

I'm like, you have to put powder on them just because it's not innately like something that I really feel passionate about where I'm like, you know, doing layers of powder and then setting it and then doing that. Like I am pretty, I guess minimal when it comes to how many layers of this and that are on the face. I honestly don't use, I use setting sprays for show, but like I'm not really someone that feels like

my client can't leave the chair if they don't have setting spray. I think it surprises a lot of people, but I'm like, no, just trust. Like, you're going to be fine. And so I think that's the other thing where it's almost kind of been, I wouldn't say now, but early on, maybe even 10 years ago, kind of an insecurity of mine, because I'd be like, oh, I'm not doing all the things that, like other artists do, like, am I a good artist? Or, you know, but as you get older and you kind of get in your rhythm, I think that that's what makes you unique. And also restraint is, you know, that's a big part of artistry because it really shows that you're like comfortable with your formulas, you're comfortable with your application that you know, like, you're going to be good. Yeah. So how do you

get makeup to stay? Like, what is the technical part of that if you're not using a setting spray, if you're not using a powder because I think so many people either have the experience or have the belief exactly what you're saying. Like, if I don't do something to keep this in place, it's going to melt or like fall apart. Yeah, I think it's all about light layers. So it's not about like, like I told you, I like a full face of makeup. So it's not that I'm not doing these things, but it's really about like working it into your brush, working it into your face. Like I'm not doing like a light dusting. Like, I'm really like, if it's with a client and I'm using a brush, I'm almost like stippling

the product into their face. If it's me on myself at home, I'm using my fingers and I'm like really working it in like it were a skincare product. So I think that if I have an event and I remember, I will use powder. But I use powder just in the areas that I know make sense. So like around the nose, middle of the forehead. maybe a little on the chin. Sometimes I like the chin to still have some glow.

But I think just that mid area, I don't really use a lot of powder under the eye. Again, like, I would rather have reflection there than something super matte because I think that's the given take of what makes skin look real and radiant as opposed to just kind of like this AI filter. What powder do you like? I like, if I'm doing a carpet, there's two that I have in my kit. One is the HD. It's not makeup forever, but it's by Terry.

Okay. By Terry. They have one that's like really, it's a loose powder. It has hyluronic acid in it, but it's like super, super, super finely milled. Like, that works really well because it's so lightweight, but it's dry. So you can really, and I would always work that into a brush. and then apply it. And then for just like classic, I've got some Hoda Beauty, her banana bread, I think is the yellow that I have in my kit. Are there any other little tricks that you might use on a celebrity, whether it's for like a carpet or editorial that nobody would ever suspect? I don't know if it's like I have anything that hasn't completely not been done before because I think now we share so much more. I'm trying to think. Like, I definitely use tissue instead of powder a lot. So even like under the eye, if you want to still make sure there's not any extra products just using a thin layer of tissue and kind of blotting, I make people do like really weird faces when like for under eye concealer. I always suggest like scrunching your face when you're applying it because essentially you're kind of covering up your fine lines. Because. Because. any under eye concealer is going to crease if you use too much product, but also we all move our faces.

So we're going to get, if there's too much product build up, it's going to build up in your fine lines. So if you really protect the area, you're not putting product in those fine lines. So I think that's kind of a good tip. That's so smart. Yeah. So like scrunch and then only put it in the places where it doesn't. I would just use a fluffy brush. So prime your product on your hand with a fluffy brush, scrunch your face, and then just swipe it back and forth under the eye.

and then obviously you can relax your face, but the most of the concentration of the product will go in the areas that don't have the wrinkles. Amazing. That's a great tip. Yeah. What is the difference between makeup that looks good in person versus what photographs well or looks good on camera? So my approach to that is really actually just making someone look really good in person. Okay. Because I think that the cameras are so good these days too. it. Like, if there's texture and the skin, it's going to show up no matter what, you know. So sometimes

we try so hard to like overdo it that I think that picks up more than just someone looking really good. And, you know, the carpet photo is like one minute of their entire night. And I think most of my clients want to feel confident throughout the night, not just like, hey, I look good from here. Like, I look good for a picture. Because if it's someone that doesn't wear a lot of makeup, day to day too. It's uncomfortable when you feel like you've got like a lot on. So that's usually my approach. And I find these days like the Getty photos aren't really it anymore anyways. I feel like that's like a strong statement. But we're like for hair and makeup now, we're more or less required, not required, but it's expected that we get the glam shot before they even leave the house.

Which is crazy, right? I had a hairstylist on last week. I don't know if you know him, Clayton Hawkins. And he was like, that used to be forbidden. You don't show the process. They're not tagging their glam. And now that's such a moment. Getting ready, the final glam shot before the carpet. And to your point, yeah, who's really looking at Getty? I know.

I mean, Gettie to me is like my ultimate. Like, I love it because. That's your moment. That's me testing. Like, am I still good at my job? Like, it's so weird. And any artists can agree to this. You feel good.

They leave the house. you're instantly insecure for about the hour that you're waiting for the photo and you're like, did I do that? Did I remember to do? Like, oh my God, what's going to happen? And then you see the photo and you're like, okay, right. I still got it. I still got it. But so I love that buildup and anticipation. But I mean, I love Getty. That's really. Shout out Getty. Yeah. That's really like the test to make sure you're good at your job. But, you know, everything else is like icing. I love videos. So it's, I like seeing glit. I like seeing glen. kind of video before they go to the carpet because it's just, I don't know, we're in a video world

now. Totally. You know? Yeah. But it is crazy. Like we have to show up with like lights and cameras and all the things. And so you can't just be good at just doing makeup. Like now you have to kind of have the full package. Yeah. You have to be a video editor. Yes. You have to be a creative director. Yeah. Like so many different hats that you have to wear. Yeah. If you're like me, then you are probably a fan of the occasional slick back bun or sleek ponytail. It is my go-to-do, especially on day three or four post-shower, but oftentimes somehow five minutes after doing my hair, I have these little flyways framing my face, but there is such an easy fix for this. So the got-to-be wax stick is basically made for getting that super polished, slick look without making your hair feel crunchy or

greasy because nothing is worse than doing a look like that and then wanting to wear your hair in a different style the next day and having that crunch to it. That is not good. So the wax stick gives you a long lasting, flexible hold. It tames frizz and flyaways and actually helps lock out humidity, which after the amount of humidity I've dealt with this summer, I truly appreciate. It's also sweat resistant and flake resistant. So it's great for slicking your hair back for a workout. And then If you want to touch it up afterward, you can do so without having to completely redo your hair. And also, the packaging is genius. It's a little twist-up stick, so there's no mess, and you can throw it in your bag or travel with it.

And the formula also has coconut oil, caster oil, and shay butter, and it washes out super easily. So be slick with the got-to-be wax stick. Visit got-to-be.us for more information. That's G-O-T, the number two, e. us for more information. I think it's safe to say that one of the biggest mistakes people make with working out is confusing consistency with progression. You can work out five days a week and still basically be doing the same thing over and over, which is why I like having an actual program with ladder. So ladder gives you structured strength training with a coach, a plan, and progression built in. So you're not opening an app every morning and randomly choosing whatever workout looks good.

You're actually building on what you did the week before. And I have found a training style on ladder that really works for me because I like that sweet spot between Pilates and traditional strength training. I want to build muscle and feel strong, but I also want workouts that feel good in my body that are low impact and that I can realistically stay consistent with, especially when I'm traveling, which is huge. And the progression piece is what really sold me. I can see myself getting stronger week over week and I can feel it. And there is no better motivation than that feeling. And because it's all in the app, I can actually keep following my program. Like I said, when I'm traveling instead of completely falling out of my routine. So if you have an iPhone head to ladder.com slash well and take a quick quiz to find your perfect ladder plan. Use my link and get a free seven day trial with no credit card and $10 off your first month if you join. Head to ladder.fit slash well and take a quick quiz to find your perfect

ladder plan and $10 off your first month if you join. All is the time of year when I suddenly want my house to smell like something is baking at all times, warm bread, pastries, cinnamon, anything that makes staying home feel a little more cozy and wild grain makes that incredibly easy because you get bakery quality breads, pastries and pastas delivered straight to your freezer. So everything arrives ready to bake so you can pull out a loaf of sourdough or croissants, put them in the oven, and a few minutes later, your kitchen smells like an actual bakery with essentially none of the work. I also love having the pastas on hand for an easy dinner when you want something warm and comforting, but don't want to cook from scratch. The boxes are customizable.

There are new items added regularly, and everything stays in your freezer until you're ready for it, which makes it such a good thing to have stocked going into fall. I recently got an order and I got so much good stuff. I got a loaf of sourdough. I got a loaf of sourdough that has cranberry in it, which is my absolute favorite thing. I got croissants. I got pastas. I got some ready to bake chocolate cookies that I'm going to make for my boyfriend. So there is so much variety that you can order from. So if you want to enter your cozy baking era without actually learning how to bake, Wildgrain has you covered. Go to wild grain.com. well and use the code well a checkout to get $30 off your first box plus free croissants in every box. What else goes into a final red carpet look that people might not expect? Because I mean, I would imagine like just having been kind of on the periphery of it with my ex-husband. I just went as the date, you know, to some of these red carpet things. It's so chaotic. There's so much that goes into a look between the stylist, the makeup artist, the hair stylist, the nail artist,

yeah, the nail artist, yeah, tag your spray tanner. Nobody tags their spray tanner. Like are they, do they, how do they know how to pose? Like there's so many things that go into that final moment, right? Usually the, we like to obviously stay around until they get their full look on and they'll like practice poses. Some people just, I mean, if you're Kyah Gerber, you have no problem. No problem. But, you know, like, I, a lot of my roster are amazing British actresses, which, you know, are going to hate a red carpet. But so practicing beforehand in the mirror, like, what works, you know, and then just sticking to that pose because it could be very specific to the outfit or the hair look or whatever it is. And then it's almost just like, do that thing

and call it good, you know, but I'm sure you notice. like most girls do the like, it's like they're holding something in their hands, but we don't know what it is. Yeah. It's like the newscaster hand. Yeah. Like they're just kind of like you're doing this. But I think even if you're just going out with your friends and you have a look on or you know there's going to be photos for a party, like always practice something before you go so that you're not thinking about it when you've left the house and you can just be in the moment. Yeah. Yeah, it's, I would imagine, such a high pressure moment. And those carpets are like so chaotic. Yeah. And just, I don't envy.

No. People. I know. I have yet to meet any, anyone that's excited for a carpet. Yeah. It's part of the job and, you know, they appreciate it. But I don't, it's scary. Even if you've done them a million times, it's still really scary. And it's work. Yeah. It was only, it was probably fun. It's probably only fun for the spouses or the dates of because like it is not about you at all whatsoever. But even then, like, I was so young and naive. I was in my early 30s, but like I didn't know myself well enough or I wasn't assertive enough to like dictate things when it came to the style and the hair and the makeup. And you said something before about like the carpet is only one hour tops of your time. That

picture is one picture. And then you have an entire night. And there were times when I had my makeup done and it was like so not who I was. And so like the whole night I'm uncomfortable, you know, and then like I see the picture and I'm like, who is that? That's not me. Yeah. Yeah. So I love that philosophy of like looking at the big picture versus. Yeah. And it's really just about enhancing. And this could be coming with age because I feel like the younger me. I mean, me in my 20s, like it was I was so punk rock. I had like the black hair. The black hair. the blonde hair, eyeliner,

the whole bit. And as I've gotten older, I found that less makeup, I feel prettier or more confident, especially on the eyes. Like, I don't know. When I film something,

like if I'm filming a makeup video and I do a smoky eye, it looks good in the video or the picture, but me in real life, I don't identify with it. And so I'll wash it off immediately because I'm like,

ah, like I don't feel like myself. And so I think it's kind of, coming to that understanding too of what your look is and what actually makes you feel confident, whether that is a full beat or if it's, you know, next to nothing and kind of sticking with that because then the other part of you comes out and you're not self-conscious thinking about if someone's thinking about you, which they're not. But, you know, we all think they are. Yeah, totally. Yeah. What do you have on your eyes right now, by the way? I have on a lab sample. So I'm working on, I'm always working on something.

Yeah. But, well, whatever it is, working. Yeah. What do you find women fight with the most when it comes to features and makeup? Are they, you mentioned, like, the eye area and like heavily concealing that and fine lines and stuff. Are there things that you find people feel are most problematic that they're trying to compensate for with makeup? I think even you mentioning the eye and under eye area is a, big one. I think it's just something that we've been trained to do. And, you know, even for me, and this is the part of is genetics, but I don't wear under eye concealer. I wear my tinted serum,

and I feel like I get a medium coverage. So there's a bit that goes there, but I don't on a day to day because I feel like if I'm adding more to it, it actually is like adding more texture or adding more to the problem. So unless you are someone that genetically is, there are people that have darker under eyes, but then I would go more towards a corrector and not even put a concealer over the top of it. So I think sometimes we're trained like, you got to correct, then you've got to conceal and then you've got to powder and you've got to do all these things and you don't really have to. Even just a couple taps in with a corrector is going to give you that brightness. Because if you try to work it too much, that's when all of a sudden it just looks

like you're trying to hide something and you're wearing makeup. So I think that area is a big one. And then I think just it is just about people. I really encourage people to take the time to find their personal look. And that's your day to day. That's your routine. And, you know, anything experimental, maybe save that for or maybe not save it for something. You know, like just be okay with, you know, finding out what makes you feel like your best self. Because even someone that loves makeup, like, I don't have time for the fuss. And, you know, I just want to feel good every day. I just want to get up, like, know my look, feel good. And, you know, experiment maybe with, like, a shirt or, you know, a new pair of shoes or a new handbag. Yeah. There you go. But I like to

keep the makeup more as a uniform. Yeah. Well, I feel like we're in this time where we've never been inundated with so much information. And we've also like never been so confused. Yeah. And I think there's so many trends. And to your point earlier, like there's the clean girl and then there's the this girl and then there's that girl. And it's like, you know. And so I think that is such good advice as to like find what works for you. Right. And stick to it. Yeah. And I'm similar. Like I do not look good in eye makeup. I feel like I look so done, especially being blonde. I'm like, you can either be blonde or you can do like the heavy eye makeup stuff. Like I don't feel like I can do both at least or I look a little like pageanty. But it's so nice to know what works for you. Totally. Because it's just it like lends itself to

confidence too. Totally. And there's, you know, some women that inspire me that literally rock like a really sick eyeliner or like a lipstick or whatever it is. But you know that that is them being true to who they are and that is their look. And I think that that's what really shines through is when someone really just is like, this is me, you know? And so it's just taking the time to do that discovery. And at the very least, I think that having a really nice canvas to start with and a great complexion kind of bodes to the confidence of like, okay, this and a little blush and a little lipliner and I'm good.

Or you can keep going. But having that base point is like really everything. And I think I've found that confidence in your complexion, goes so far. I mean, even through pregnancy and postpartum, I would get ready every single day. And that made me feel good. You know, like having my skin look even and having it look, you know, radiant. Because underneath, there's a lot of melasma and there's a lot of discoloration. He would never know. It's there. But like putting it on, then I'm just like, okay, I'm good. And I think that got me through just like those times where I was feeling tired or feeling kind of, you know, just figuring myself out as a new

mom. But I would look, I'd see a glimpse of myself in the mirror and I was like, still got it. That's so important. And I think that was something I always grappled with with makeup. It's like, what's my purpose? Why am I doing this? This is, is this vain? Is this what? And it's like, no, it is confidence. And you can say what you want, but having, feeling good in your skin, And it goes far because then you're not thinking about that. You're solving all the other things that you're trying to do. And it does make you feel good. Yeah.

So I think it's just so natural that you went on to create what you did. Because at least the products that I've used, I don't really feel like I'm wearing makeup when I'm wearing them. It's kind of like a hybrid skincare makeup, sunscreen. Like there's a lot of benefit to it. Yeah. And it doesn't feel like I can feel right now. You know, I'm like, I feel like I'm wearing makeup right now. And like I just don't like how it looks versus when I'm using the skin tan, I'm just like,

I just feel like my glowy best himself. But then you still get the coverage too. So you're. The best coverage. Yeah. So you are. Without it being like. You don't have to layer up a bunch to get it.

Never. And I never have to reapply. Whereas this is probably a me problem. But if I'm using other makeup, I feel like I put it on in the morning. I have a couple meetings and then I have to come to the studio and I'm like, where's the makeup? Or I see myself on camera and I'm like, what the fuck? I feel like I had so much makeup on and then it like disappears. It's probably partially a technique thing.

But with that, and I'm not just saying that's like for you and for listeners to like glaze or whatever they call it. Genuinely, I don't have to reapply or anything. No, I agree with you because I same for me. I am a I do my makeup in the morning and then I move on. with my life. Like, I'm lucky if I remember to touch up my lip, but everything else, it just is what it is. And I'll get through a whole day and I'm like, still, it's. And so I think sometimes too, when people are like, well, how, I use CL for all carpet stuff too. So I'm confident in the longevity of knowing that it's going to stay and it's not going to move. And I think that was part of the balance of what I was achieving with the finish of the product where it's radiant. It's not too greasy. You. can still, if you're a skincare lover, you can layer that underneath. If you're more oily, like, there's still hydration coming from the tent. So it's a lot of things, but I'm like a psycho.

I love being in the lab. I love working with the chemists. Like, I have them all on text. So it's a very close process for me because I'm not going to put something out unless it's fantastic. Yeah. Because there's so many good products on the market. So it really has to stand out and be something that someone loves. So I obsess over formula. How long did it take you for the first formulas? I started working on it in 2020, and we launched in 2023. Some formulas take longer than others because of the SPF factor in what I do.

It's a drug. Yeah, it's a drug. You have to go through testing. So that adds on a layer. But I think it just depends on the actual formula. Some can take three years. Some can take, you know, six or eight months. So I like to stick with the same three or four chemists that I work with in different labs

because once they know you and they know your nuances, I feel like you can get a better product a lot sooner because they know. They know what I'm after. They know the textures are kind of my standards. So that's why I think it's really important to have such a close relationship. And it's nothing I do is like a turnkey that I find at a conference and then just say yes to it. And then I think additionally from the SPF part, I also am really crazy about acne. And so what am I not putting in my formulas that clog pores? Because that was the big aha moment for me

because I was getting acne early 30s. And that's when I started getting PR. And so I was getting all this free product. It was my job. It was my job to try everything. and to blog about it and do all the things. And I was seeing my esthetician every two or three weeks. And she was so gentle and so patient with me. She's like, okay, honey, you just let me know when you're ready. And I'd be like, no, I have to do this. I have to try this.

But I was breaking out all the time. Yeah. And then finally, years later, I surrendered and she put me on a program. The program I went on is called Face Reality. and then she removed any makeup products that I had with poor cloggers in it, and immediately my skin cleared up. Like within a month. Yeah. It was shocking.

And I was like, I believe in this. This is something. And I think so much people think about it more with skincare. They don't think about it with makeup. And so that was when, and especially at the time doing red carpet and, you know, having clients that were my age or younger that were going through breakouts. I don't want to be the person that's making them get a breakout after I do their makeup. So I was really careful about what I would use. And then I was like everything that I'm going to make will be acne safe.

Yeah, I always see also your products on TikTok videos, girls that have acne or have acne-prone skin. And they swear by it too. It's such a thing. And I wish more people knew it because it hurts me when I see younger girls with acne. and they're using products that I know have poor cloggers in it. And I'm like, oh, if you just didn't use that blush or that highlighter, like, but you know, like, you have to live through it a little bit and learn. So I'm really proud to be able to offer that to people because all of my mistakes, I'm just making it better for the next generation. I love it. You're like truly like a beauty, big

sister. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That PR will get you, by the way. I mean, in my esthetician who I'm going to today, Vanessa Hernandez. She's amazing. But I saw her before I went on vacation maybe like two months ago. And I was doing so much testing content. And I would be like, oh, well, I have like this skin tint and that skin tint. So I'm going to buy these other eight. And then I'm going to test them.

And I'm going to do the video. I was so heavily in that time of like doing content. And of course I get sent everything as well. And I saw her for facial. And usually we have like a couple extractions. we had like maybe 100. She's like, I have never seen your skin. I know and they know. They're like, what have you been using? And then you're like, I hate that question. I'm like, I was shocked even when like, she'd be like, what lip liner are you using? Like you're, you're, you have clogged pores on your

lips, which those ones hurt by the way. Yeah. I was like, oh yeah, I did start using a new lip liner. Like they can spot anything. I know. I know. I'm excited to go today because I'm like, I think I'm good. Yeah, right? Other issues. Now I have all the sun damage from the vacation that I was on and like dryness and flying and all of that. What are some of your other favorite beauty things? I know you're pregnant right now. So we're probably put off the gas when it comes to those. I mean, my doctor is she actually is okay with me using retina. Have you said you're pregnant? Yeah. Okay. I mean, I want to yeah. It's fine. It's like wait a second. No, I think it's I think it's an interesting topic because I do notice. I don't get more breakouts when I'm pregnant, but I see where my managed sunspots, melasma, start getting darker, and that's just part of it. So I don't really get like a mask, but the things on my cheeks, like, start to come out more. So it's like, I can only do so much. I can use like azellic acid, tranexamic acid, vitamin C, sunscreen. I'm like a huge allies of skin girl. Yes. Shout out,

Nicholas. Nicholas is my hero. Funny story about him. I was sent his product in 2020, in the heart of the pandemic. And, you know, like had been sent so much product for so long that nothing really moved. Not to be mean, but like, yeah, I have a lot of nice stuff. You have a lot of nice stuff. So it takes a lot to like really move you. And I remember calling my agent. And I was like, who is the founder of this brand? I was like, I need to get him on the phone immediately. Amazing. So we did a FaceTime. and I just fell in love with how he formulates and how thoughtful he is. And he's always like five years ahead of everyone else as far as ingredients that he's using.

And so I've been a very diligent allies of Skin Girl for six years. I don't even know how to use other skincare. Like I'll use stuff here and there if my friends come out with a new product. And, you know, I have a lot of great skincare friends that make amazing stuff. generally all of my treatments and my serums and everything are all allies. What are your favorites? Tranexamic acid, I love his new vitamin C. I can only use 20% because I get rashy if I go higher than that. But his is the first vitamin C I've ever been able to use. Is that the oil one? It's not the oil one. It's more of like the serumy one. Okay. Oh, the orange bottle? It's like a lighter.

It's not the bright orange. It's like more of a like gold bottle. Oh. He has a new one that has diamond dust in it. Okay. And it's amazing. So if there's a listener that's sensitive to vitamin C, that's a really good one. Okay. I love his night oil. I can't remember what it's.

His only oil is incredible. So I'm like, I'm an allies girl for life. Yeah. And he's so cute. I messaged him the other day. And he's like, I will send you your pregnancy routine. And even my husband, that's not, he's not a. He's like a little more manly.

He loves allies of skin and he's hooked to it too. So we're both like. I feel like he's really smart. I never really thought about that. But even in how it's like marketed and packaged and everything, it's a little bit androgynous. It's not like so. So I could see it working for both.

Yep. And the formulations. But like just first impression is going to be the bottle. Yeah. And the writing like everything, the branding. Yeah. And I feel like, yeah, he kept it very neutral. Yeah.

And I like that he kind of. brought some ease to the anxiety of stacking your serums. Yeah. Because I'd be like, what goes? And with him, I just cocktail him in my hand. I'll use like three serums and just kind of cocktail and put him on. And that seems to work really well. So, and then I like to that his retinal you can actually use consistently. And it works, but you don't have to have that like two to four weeks where you're getting used to it. Yeah. So that. That's, I love all of his products. Shout out.

Shout out, Nick. I work with them long term, too. Yeah, they're great. They have a new product. Actually, they have two new products. I'm sure you'll get them. I'll probably have them in my box when I get home. Yeah.

Yeah. Have you tried the peptint? Not yet. Not yet. No. So good. I think that he's doing a launch, like, towards the end of the month. I think it's the peptin.

And then I think next month they have ampules coming out. Oh, cool. And he, like, knows everything. He'll be like, get this treatment. Don't get that treatment. like do all the things. Yeah, he's like, we should do a trip to Thailand to go to his stem cell doctor. Yeah.

Yeah. He came on my podcast like last year and I was like, what are we doing? Because at the time I was not getting Botox and I still am like very, very, very sparingly, like only when I can't take it anymore because I had a bad experience a few years ago. But I was like, what are we doing like here? And he was like, oh, da, da, da, we're doing like stem cells and this and that. And he's like, just come to Thailand. My doctor. And I'm like, okay.

You're like, great. Say love. Yeah. He's amazing. Okay. I want to finish with a rapid fire. I already know the answer to this. I don't even need to ask it. You're like, I already, we covered all of this. Everybody listening could answer this, but I'll ask anyway, Matt or Dewey. Do we? Well, I'll say radiant is my term. Love it. Cream or powder. Cream. Bronzer or blush. Blush. Concealer or foundation. Foundation. Brown or black mascara. Depends on the person. I like, I love that you don't wear mascara. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. I need a tint. No, no, but it's great. Like, obviously, if you did, I would say brown. If I wear mascara, I only wear brown because black, it just, again, like, it's that pageanty kind of look. But yeah, I usually tint once a month and then I'll just curl them and I'm good. I go Saturday. Yeah. Lipstick or lip liner? Lip liner. What's your favorite? I'm trying to think what I have. I'm like, what do I? have rolling around in my bag. I always go back to the makeup forever lip pencils. I just think I love the texture of them. So I'd probably say that. Okay. Fingers or brushes? Depends. Actually, I would say brushes. I have a personal question. Yeah. Brushes or sponges.

Brushes. I have been incorporating in certain sponges that I've been working. I have some manufacturers in China and they're like so light years ahead of what textures in in sponges are amazing. So I have some one that we made for the fall that's it's triangular and it's spongy, but you don't, it's not like where you add water or anything. And it really is just a great blender because I like to put my tint on with my fingers, but I still feel like I need something to kind of perfect it. So I love that. But it's weird. Like brushes on other people, fingers on my. but then still brushes on certain. It depends.

I'm not going to put my blush on with my hands. Okay. Like I need to be, because it's a layering process, I'm covering up discoloration, so I can't rub it off. Okay. Got it.

If I had perfect skin, yeah. I'd use fingers on everything. Yeah. Okay. Oh, bottom mascara, yes or no? Depends on the person, really. I mean, I find if you're not a huge eye makeup person,

I would say skip it, because it is going to give you more drama. But if you have a lot going on on the upper, definitely put something on the lower. Okay. Fake lashes, chic or dated? The lashes now are so good that if depending on the look, you could pop a couple individuals in and it could be amazing, but I would say generally dated. Okay. Laminated brows. Over it or into it? I'm not a fan. I think just because I think there's so many great formula of brow gels out there that you can get the look. What's your favorite?

I've been using actually the half magic clear brow gel. I like something that's a little more waxy, palmyty that will hold. But I like a fluffy brow, but I don't like a laminated brow. Yeah, I get it. There's a difference for sure. Yeah. One product every woman should own. My tinted serum.

I'm going to have to agree. with you on that one. Luxury category worth splurging on. I think it's worth splurging on shoes and handbags. I'm like a very, you know, you can wear cool vintage or, you know, no brand, whatever, if it has a good fabric. But I love a good shoe or a handbag. Same.

I'm like, and watch. Yeah. And I mean, I love all the things. I say that to my boyfriend all the time. I'm like, mostly I just like really good bags, shoes, coat. boats and watches and jewelry. And he's like, yeah. There's nothing left. So everything. You're like, and cars. Yeah. And homes. And flights. Yeah. And hotels. Exactly. That's me, two a tea. Why do we work hard? Exactly. Thank you. Okay. If we, this is kind of like a hard question. But if you can answer it universally,

if we could only change one thing about our makeup to look better, what would it be? In general. I would say wear less. I think most people look their most beautiful with less makeup on. Yeah. I like that you're like that, but you're also like a makeup girl and you like to wear makeup even at home. Like you can do both. I feel like we're kind of made to feel like, I don't know. Everyone's like, oh, until like they're bare skin and everything. And I'm like, no, you can do both though. Like you can have that look and still use little makeup. Totally. And feel confident. Yeah. Like I'm never going to be a bare skin person. Yeah. Never. Yeah. It's like even if I'm doing going to go get coffee with my son, like there's still something going on. And people are like, but you work so hard on your skin, like not just me, just in general. And I'm like, yeah. And it looks better with a skin tin on. Yeah. Well, tell everybody where they can find you and find your amazing products and all of that.

So you can find me at Nikki D. Roost on Instagram, CL, CL Cosmetics. We sell exclusively at Sephora. So we're in every door. Some doors we have a bigger footprint than others. Sephora.com and CL Cosmetics.com. Thank you. Thank you. I hope you enjoyed that episode.

If you liked the episode and if you like the show in general, please take a second to rate, review, and subscribe. It goes such a long way in supporting the show. Follow the show over on Instagram at well. pod. You can also follow my personal Instagram at Ariel Lori. I'm always sharing great clips from the episodes. And we also have full episodes on YouTube as well if you want to watch in entirety. Thanks for listening. Welcome to Who's in My Glam chair, where the glam is good and the conversations are even better. I'm Alexis Oakley, a celebrity makeup artist. And after 10 years in the glam chair,

I've learned that getting ready is when you talk about everything. Beauty, business, dating, confidence, careers, and probably the things you shouldn't be saying out loud. Nothing is off limits. New episodes drop every Wednesday. So grab your makeup bag, your coffee, and get ready with us. This is Who's in My Glamter. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.