wellRED podcast - #11- Scotty ATL

Episode Date: April 19, 2017

This week, the boys sit down in Trae's Burbank guest house to discuss, among other things, misinterpreted racial slurs, their favorite childhood rappers, WORLD WAR 3 (holy shit!), Meemaws, and how they think Corey will die. After the brief catch up on where we are today as a nation (and where the boys are, diet wise), Trae and Corey sit down with critically acclaimed Atlanta Based Rapper Scotty ATL. Before the interview you will hear one of Scotty's latest hits Life of The Party from his Album Smokin on My Own Strain, Vol 1 (Which is available on iTunes and comes highly recommended with the wellRED stamp of approval) We discuss the similarities between poor black people and poor white people's upbringing in the south (even though they are often taught to believe they are different), how Scotty ATL got his start in rap, his side projects, and much more... check out his website ScottyATL.com for more info such as tour dates and other cool stuff! Give er a listen, tell your friends to subscribe, leave us a review, and as always go to wellREDcomedy.com for tickets to our shows, sweet merch, and a copy of our book The Liberal Redneck Manifesto: Draggin Dixie Outta The Dark

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Here we are. Welcome back to the Well-Red podcast. It's your boy, Trey. and this time the gang's back together the boys are back in town all three of us are here say hello fellas

hey Trey Hey Corey and Trey yeah what you're saying hi to me Corey I know we sound a little we probably sound a little unenthused

that's because today has been as I found since I moved to L.A. many many days are this way very tedious because we have one meeting to go to and it was in Santa Monica I live in Burbank and we left, went to the meeting,

came back to my house, and that took five hours, right? At 10.30, got back at like 3.30 or something like that. Right. That's insane. That's your whole damn day. It was a long-ish meeting, but there was a lot of traveling. It was, but I mean, that's one meeting,

five, dude, I used to not ever work five hours in a goddamn day. This has been pretty rough for me. And I know if you're out there and you don't live in L.A. And you're probably like, okay, we're talking about traffic. Because I heard people talking about being in LA traffic, and I'm like, I don't, why would you ever comment on traffic? Like, what a, and then I got out here, there's literally nothing like it. It's unreal.

It never lets up. There's no place you can go. You can't take a scenic route and be like, well, it'll take the same amount of time, but I won't be in traffic during it. There is nothing to do to avoid it. No, I've had people. Suicide. That's the only option. People have been like, well, you know, I've lived in Atlanta for a while.

It's not even remote. Dude, Atlanta's not, just from the past couple months of coming back out here. I wish we had some Atlanta fans in China who was just like motherfucker y'all don't know shit I just wish we had fans in China don't India also have issues with traffic

in China? Oh India also yeah yeah I didn't necessarily want to just get into a whole thing about traffic I just felt like we were we were like hey because but and I was explaining that

although I mean I sound like that all the time so it's fine that you should have it's fine anyway well what do y'all want to talk about shit the Easter When is Easter? It's Sunday. This Sunday? Yeah.

Is Kendrick's album coming out? Wait, tomorrow's Good Friday? Yeah. Isn't that when Kendrick's album was supposed to come out? Good Friday? It is. Oh, shit. I mean, I could be wrong.

So when this podcast comes out, we will have already experienced Easter and more importantly, Kendrick Lamar's new album? I believe that is correct. That's for me. I sing all that single, didn't I? I forget what it's called. Humble? Yeah.

I haven't listened to it on the way to the meeting earlier. I love that fucking song. Dude, it's awesome. I let my, what did you say? Peak elephants. I let my soul. Burma burrito. Bullholes.

I'm good. Always works. Really? Yeah. What's that from? A color in a now? I don't know. Just get confused with your brain.

I think it's in the Bible. No, it's like, I thought you were supposed to say it, though. I just start screaming stuff at people. And I think they're like, a lot of times, if it's not somebody who's used to you being a ridiculous person, they're like, what, what the, you know, that snatched you out. distracted away from their sneeze. Yeah. I think that's what just happening.

What else could it be? It sneeze sort of, not a disease, but like, you know, symptom of disease. I wonder if you could do that with other diseases. Shit, I open it as symptom of disease. I'm a sneezing this motherfucker. You've never seen. You got allergies. I mean, I probably have a litany of diseases.

But I'm just wondering if there would, wouldn't it be cool if there was another, like you could just distract your way away from other disease issues? Yeah, that would be sweet. Like you get fucking, I don't know, like, what, polio and your legs are about to be all fucked up and someone just screams at you and you're like no they work i mean this ain't the same thing that's a terrible example i um like when i was i just got a sinus infection so it was as bad as it was gonna be when you were four and we were ever since yes and but we were in vermont right and i mean i felt i was sick as fuck i felt terrible and but being on stage i mean i still i wasn't 100% don't

get me wrong, but I'm saying, adrenaline or whatever it is, it, you know, it kind of goes away for a little bit, like you, like, push through it.

Well, yeah, I think that is a thing to an extent. I could be deadly sick. Fucking. Yeah. If I was having sex does that, your guts are all fucked up or something else.

In the moment, yeah, you're fine. That's like chemicals, though, right? One time, adrenaline is,

too. One time, I had a fever of like a hundred and two. And I was downstairs with my high school girlfriend. And she wanted to, to fool around and we did and I felt like way better during and then immediately thereafter and then I tried to walk up the steps to like walk her out and literally fainted on the stairs yeah yeah I mean I'm saying it during it you know what they had to carry Jordan off after the flu game but he's

still fucking smashed I see he was still fucking the shit out of whatever team that's playing yeah and after that's all he had 110 but have I already talked about on here I said I may go I probably got a litany of diseases that reminded me of I went to the doctor recently and had a battery of test run and did a sleep study and all this to figure out why I feel so shitty all the time. And I got a clean bill of health back. And my honest to God initial reaction was like, oh, God, damn it. Yeah, because it was just like, you wanted to know the reason. Yeah.

Yeah. When they told me that, it's like, no, you're good. Everything came back good. You're in perfect health. And I was like, well, first of all, perfect. Ain't no way. But my initial thought was like, wait, so this is just how people feel? Yeah.

Like, this is just being alive. Yeah. I don't hit. It really sucks. I got a clean bill of health two and a half, three years ago. I hadn't been to the doctor since. Or go.

I've been riding that out because at the time I couldn't believe it either. I was like, I don't remember that. Yeah, I was like, shit, I'm fine. Our buddy Rick called you a liar. Yeah, but it was true. Did everything was good. Like I had to go through the whole fucking physical thing.

Everything was good. And I was like, all right. Except for three years, I've just been like, well, you know. But I've done a lot of shit since then and just gotten older. and yeah. Well, I eat better than y'all. I just assume I'm drunk. I eat better than y'all most of the time, not all the time, especially lately.

And I don't know how much you exercise, Trey. I feel like other than when you ran, which you did that for a while, I exercise more than you. For sure. I mean, I play. And I'm the least healthy person by far. Yeah, I used to play. We used to talk about how weird that was and unfair, but also hilarious. Yeah.

You were like the most health conscious, but also just the most ill. In every sense of that word. You must made me health conscious. Right. Like, y'all have known me for, you've known me for a little bit longer than him. I mean, I used to eat and drink, do what I wanted. And then my body fell apart and almost died twice within two years. And I think I'm getting there.

Because I've just always done whatever fuck I wanted. It's been fine. I've told you forever I stand by this. There's only three ways you're going out. Pull of your own vomit early. Hepatitis, A, B, and C early. Or just like 90 years. old.

I was getting shot by woman. No, no. He will, McNaird. No, he will survive that. The shoot to be part of his head is just shoot. I was going to say, I don't know, there ain't no way she's going to miss. If she's aiming for his head, I mean, that's a fucking, that's easy money right there.

That's fucking hilarious. We were, me and, uh, I've been thinking a while about, like, because I, uh, I've had a gun in the house at one point currently, don't. And I was like, you know, I need. to, I do need to get a gun for home protection that way because, you know, if I'm on the road or something and, you know, if I have kids or whatever. But then I thought, the odds of us having a burglar versus the odds of me saying the wrong thing one night and her knowing where that is, that's going to happen more.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I'll risk it. I'm going to hedge that one. I mean, that was the NRA's slogan for a while. Yeah. If only I had one. Right. I'm sure Amber feels that way frequently.

All the time. Yeah, she gets, but she can cool down. That was their actual slogan for a while? It was about like those scenarios. No, I get it where you're in danger. But I just realized that was a foxworthy joke

where he took that slogan and turned it into like, you know, yeah, I've been in that situation before. Yeah. Well, we talked before this about I wanted to bring something up and you told me it's a bad idea,

Drew, but I'm going to bring it up anyway. And that's how racist I am. I'm kidding everybody. I'm obviously not racist on purpose ever, but that's what the whole thing is. I've had multiple instances over the years where I have said things that turns out were racist,

but like where I grew up, it's just like a saying. A saying. And actually this one isn't from where I grew up. Well, I mean, it is. My granddaddy used to say, if you got to be a bear, be a grizzly. right and actually that that will back up my ultimate point here i don't think this was racist at all okay

well i have a i had a conversation with a black buddy of mine and whatever it's not it's just unfortunate i got into rap when i was older red man is my shit and in the song i'll beat that red man says a version of that phrase which is if you got to be a monkey be a gorilla and that always hit way harder for me than the bear version so i adopted it and it's one of my favorite phrases i'm always just like i'm just quoting red man you know and i never ever even thought about it. And then, and this wasn't long ago. It's like four years ago.

I mean, I was a grown man, a father. And I was in, I was in Nashville, my buddies with the salina boys, we were just hanging out. And we went to eat some spicy chicken, which is my shit. And we were at Hattie Bees, which is like the, it's, honestly, it's the tourist trap, like the one that everybody, it's not the best, but it's, it's still good. And it's a spicy chicken. I'm going to piss some people off way more than any racism aspect of this.

People are going to be mad at the best, though. I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying you know that people get upset by this. Right. Well, again, it's still fire, right? But that's where we were at was Hattie B's, and everybody working at that time, and a lot of the patrons who were in there at the same time as it was packed

were black people. And we're standing there this group of rednecks from Salina and the guy in the front of the line, Chris, he ordered a full bird. So you can get, you know, two-piece half-bird or a full bird. He ordered a full bird. Shut the cluck up. up, which is the hottest spice they have, which is, if you fuck with spicy chicken,

Nashville hot chicken, it's fucking unreal. That's an insane level of heat. And so he got up there, and he's like, full bird shut the clock up. And I said, without even thinking, I went, God damn, son, if you got to be a monkey, be a gorilla. That's what I'm talking about. And, dude, the way those people in there, because I yelled it as I'm yelling now. I yell a lot. So, I mean, everybody heard it.

And the way that the staff and other people in there, looked at me and my accent don't help. I would say your accent was a solid 83% of it. Right. Well, and that was the first time it had ever occurred to me. I was like, oh, shit. I see how that could be interpreted as, you know, we're in a, we're in a chicken place. Right, right, right. I mean, the phrase obviously means if you have to be something, be the best at it or be the, you know, be the biggest and baddest.

So recently, yeah, I get it. Recently, we're in Mama Joe's Country Kitchen. also the proprietors of that place are it's a black family and they make fire ass soul food in Mississippi we were just there Corey was off carbs ostensibly but then he gets up there and he gets the catfish and so he goes which is bred he goes well yeah breaded catfish he was like only way to do it he was like well hell I mean if I'm won't get catfish anyway I might as well say to hell with it I'm probably I think I'm going to get mac and cheese and probably them yams and I said by God son it.

You got to be a month. Nope. Nope. And y'all both cracked up because you knew what I was going to say. I knew the story. I say it all the time. But anyway, you had said the phrase obviously means, and of course this is all it ever meant to me to is like,

look, if you have to do something, then fucking do the best you goddamn can, right? Which is something anybody could get by the land, except for my sister. I'm just kidding, I love you. Anyway, that's how I always interpreted it. I was talking to my buddy, a different friend of mine named Chris, who's a black dude that I worked with for years at the OE, he's a logger.

I was telling him that story. And, I mean, he died. He lost it. He thought it was hilarious. And I told him that. I was like, but man, I mean, it ain't even, I mean, that's the thing, right? Like, it's not even a racial thing. And he was like, well, I mean, you know, the way I always interpreted it as a black man and a rap fan is, like,

You know, if you have to be, you know, not if you have to be something, but specifically if you have to be black, like if two of these people, if two these people you're going to be a monkey, well, at least be a fucking gorilla. Oh, shit. It's the way he said he had always interpreted it. And I was like, well, fuck. Yeah. Right.

Obviously, it could easily go either way. But I'm saying. Maybe stick with the bears. Well, I guess I'm always finally right on racism for once. Yeah. But the thing is to a gay man. Ah. Yeah.

I can't say nothing anymore, boys. It's hard being a white man. It is so hard. That's sarcasm, y'all. That ain't the only time I've done that. When I worked at the DOE, one time I was in a meeting with all these, you know, 40-something professionals, white-collar people, and they asked me how my kids were doing. And I was like, oh, you know, they're, because I have two young sons.

I was like, you know, you're crazy as hell. I swear to God, them yard aides drum to be ragged. And again, like two or three people there were just like, oh. And I was like, what? And a girl who's a close friend of mine was like, you just said yard apes, that's a racial slur. And turns out, in this instance, that's pretty undeniable. Right, yeah. Well, you first told me.

The history of that phrase is racial, but you didn't know that. Where I'm from, everybody, you know, I tell a bit about Granny Minnie, my old redneck babysitter. real person, her, both my grandmas lay out when we were little, me and Paige and the rest of my cousins and shit, they all called us yard apes all the time. And in my head, it made sense. It's like, well, kids are like wild-ass little monkeys

and they're in the yard all the time. It just means children. Right, right. Just kids are yard apes, but they're not, apparently. It's a racial slur, and I had no fucking idea. Damn. I'm glad you didn't get fired that day. I had a situation similar to that one.

I was an intern, actually, and I was talking to a lawyer, and he was talking about this judge and how the judge made him feel like he was just going through the motions. And we were having a conversation. At some point I said, yeah, he's just like dance, monkey dance. And then it got like super quiet in the room. And he was like, why the fuck would you say that? You know, and I was like, what?

Wait, did you say this was in your law school? I was in law school. I was an intern. Was your accent still? thicker and that was still a thing? I don't, yeah, I probably. You think that has something to do with it? Uh, I do think that has something to do with it.

I think that, uh, this particular guy was, you know, being a lawyer, like, he was in the National Lawyers Guild and stuff. Like, he was just very, you know, into educating people. He was like, that's a fucked up thing or whatever. And I apologize. He was going to learn today. Right. Well, and he was like, that's fucked up.

That's racist or whatever. And I apologized. But I went and looked it up. because I'd heard that before. I'd heard dance, monkey dance. Like somewhere, it is a phrase.

Yeah, all the time. It's, people are like, oh, tell us a joke, you know. It comes from,

um, it's, it's a circus reference. And it comes from, I want to say a comedian or some other performer, I don't know if it was on a movie. I don't remember exactly. I looked it up,

but it was saying like, you treat me like I'm a circus monkey, you know, dance, monkey dance. It wasn't, you know, racial at all.

It's not a racist phrase. I didn't go tell him that because I don't, You know, it's like, what would that conversation have gone like, by the way, I was right about not being a racist. So you just got white mansplained. Here's another one for you. And I want you to give me your interpretation of it. Because I've had these run-ins with accidental racism before, now I'm like aware of it. And so another thing that I've said a lot that I heard a whole lot growing up was you're talking about somebody like getting in your ass about something, like, you know, reading you the right.

act and you say yeah man old lady god damn she called me everything but a white man I always in my mind that because I'm white it was she called me every fucking thing on planet earth other than the one thing I am

you know like she left nothing out not what it means though well I googled it and apparently there's a little bit of a debate about that one but some people say that the implication is being a white man is good.

So it's, you know, they call me everything but a but a good thing, but a compliment. I could see that. I mean, I can't have now, but it's one of those I just never, again, I never thought twice about.

And I just, I bet there's a lot more of those like where we're from, well, you had one, but it's not, it's pretty clearly racist. Which one was that?

When we were talking about it yesterday, I can't remember. That's mighty one. Oh, yeah, yeah. And my thing was, but the people say it all the time. Yeah, and my thing was,

My thing was it like, that's very clear. You know, when people say, hey, man, appreciate you here. That's good of you. A lot of times they'll go, that's mighty wild of you, buddy. But it's gotten to be such a phrase that, and again, where I'm from, there's not a huge. I'm so stupid. What? I thought that phrase was meant to be ironic.

Like how white people are told you. No, that's a good point. Like how white people are always trying to pretend they're doing the right thing. Yeah. I thought we ain't ever trying to do that. I said the same. I know that people use it the way he's talking about. primarily, but I said, I actually think that one's okay.

Yeah, if you use it in the context of it's something shitty that the person did. You know what I mean? Like you fuck them over in a business till. Mighty white of you, buddy. But like somebody, and again, I've heard it said to me when there's no, but then sometimes people from where I'm from, I've heard a person didn't know them, mixed company, there's black people all around. I'll appreciate you, man, mighty white of you.

And just, and I know that. I know that person, well, I mean, again, it's very clear what the fuck that means, but it's just such a goddamn phrase. Nobody even thinks twice about it. Jewing people down. Yes, that's another extremely common one. Yeah. I jukeed him down to 500 by God, you know, whatever.

That was obvious, though. Well, that's obvious that one to me. That's my point is like where we're from, there ain't. It's casual. It's casual because. And a big reason is because they don't normally have to worry about running in to Jews where we're from black people same with gypsies right black people's a different thing that's you know they're they're in our culture get me off right holy shit i've never even

know that never even thought of that means gypsy well shit now i've been i've been yeah i've said i've said that recently probably i got jipped on that one fuck i don't even know that was yeah it's uh because they're all you know the racial stereotypes they were all hucksters who were out to trick you or whatever well you've educated i'm glad we went into this before i thought everything i did racist was on purpose it turns out I was wrong. No, I didn't know that one either. That's wild.

It is wild. That's the only ones I can think of. That's why I'm sitting here trying to think of other. And I'm certain there are. Well, I can think of some phrases that were, some more phrases that I can remember hearing when I was little that were obvious. Right. People just didn't give a fuck and said them all the time anyway.

I had an uncle who would say sweating like an N-word on election day. Uh-huh. And the N-word? No, but what... Well, the phrase itself is, you know, a fair assessment of how politics made black people feel themselves. Well, that's kind of what I was thinking. I was like, the only way I can interpret that is like... I know, but I'm saying, that's an odd redneck saying to me.

Yeah. Because to me, what they're admitting is, yeah, they're admitting like, you know, election day really sucks for black people. Yeah, because our system is broken. Back then. And that's an odd point for rednecks to make, but it makes sense that they do it with the N-word. Nuisance, baby. Right.

And, well, this is not racist, but that phrase, you guys had sweating like a whore in church, too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. That's what I heard most of the time, but I had one uncle who would say the other one. I never actually heard that one, and that's surprising because Chickamauga is pretty far as now. I never heard. I heard sweating like a whore in church. I'm saying I hadn't heard the other one. Yeah, I hadn't heard.

My favorite of those, it ain't sweating and it's not at all racist either. But did y'all ever hear shaking like a dog shit in a peep seed? I've heard a variation of that. I don't know if it was peach seat. My buddy Michael is here. He's shaking his head, yes. He's from the mountains of Colorado. They got some good mountains there.

My granny, if you're real cold or something, shaking like a dog shit in the peach seat. My granny used to say this one all the time. I've called her to witches, titty. I've googled it before. But that's racist to witches. I've never heard anyone say it.

I've tried to Google it to, like, surely this will be somewhere. My granny, if, like, you were about to do something that would make someone mad, she'd be like, ooh, if you do that, he'll shit a glass-eyed squealy worm. That don't make no goddamn sense. I don't know that. A glass-eyed squealty-worm.

His asshole will pluck her up so tight that the shit will become glass and squiggly. I guess. He'll shit a glass-eyed squealty one. Is this after your granny makes you rest in a piece of guy, Alzheimer's? No. She said this to mom because she'd say to me as a kid and my mom would be like, she's been saying that my whole goddamn life. Now, given Granny was, hell, 48 when she adopted my mom, but still, you know,

not an old Alzheimer's-redden woman. But yeah, I heard one of those that's like that's just like so utterly ridiculous that I can remember is quicker than. And I feel like I'm messing it up a little bit, but it was something to the effect of quicker than a grease string out of cats assholes. Yeah, I've heard that one. You've heard that. Yeah, I love that. Okay. Yeah.

Quicker than a gray string. My granny also used to. It shit out of grease string real quick, right? Yeah. No argument here. You know, it's a shame so many of these phrases, I mean, of course, it's a shame. So many of these phrases have bad histories or whatever. And I've seen, like, people who do books on them, you know, like books of Appalachian sayings or Southern Sayans or whatever.

Someone should do one and differentiate the ones here. Here's the ones you can still use. The keepers. Right. The name of it, the keepers. Yeah, my granny used to always say to my mom when she was a little girl, if some girl would make, some kid would make fun of her or whatever. She'd come home. You know, Sally made fun of me or whatever.

Granny would always say, well, you tell her. your mama said that your butt would make her a Sunday face. I thought that was cool. I like that. Your butt, somebody, somebody's making, if somebody's making fun of my mom,

my grain would say, well, you tell her, your mama said that your butt would make her a Sunday face. Your Sunday face is all made up to go to church. My mom's butt looked better than that girl's Sunday face. Okay. She's so ugly.

Did she, not know how nice butts is? She, no, because I think Granny only had sex that wants to have my papal area. That was something. She knows nothing about butts or nothing. That's sweet that you say that.

She got railed, baby. So many times. Well, I won't get into my theory. Wait, is this the gay papal? I think my papal's gay. I think my papal's gay. How old were they when they got married? He was 37 and she was 20.

And he was a very, very handsome, very handsome man. All the women wanted, but he didn't get married to 37. and he was born in 1917. That shit was rare. You know what I mean? I mean, especially in the South. Mom, everybody in the family always telling their, nobody's going to hear this,

so it's fine, but everybody used to talk about they weren't, they were never affectionate. Papal, not only, it wasn't like a sleeping on the couch thing. He had a separate bedroom with his bed in it. Not like a Lucy and Ricky thing where they were in the same thing. They never, they only had the one kid, and then we found some pictures not too long ago. This is getting good.

Yeah, not. of anything sexual, but there was a picture of him, and it's a portrait. Like, they went to the studio to get this man, it's him and another dude, and he's got his arms around the dude, and they're holding hands. And Graham was just like, yeah, they did that back then. I'm like, no. I don't think so.

Queer than a $3 bill. Right. Which again, is fine. One of those sayings. Yeah, which is... But that saying is not fine. That's the ones we got to retire. A French horn, too, is one I heard. I never heard that. French horn. Three dollar bill, I also... We can keep the French horn one. but again, nothing wrong with that.

I don't care, but like it's, it's always been a thing and my family's, it's always been kind of a theory and my family, there's no way. I'm like,

I don't know what he might be. Who knows? One of my favorite catch-all phrases because it can be literally as blank as, and it's as the day as long. It oftentimes was queer. Like queer's a day as long.

Right, right. But it could be, you know, tight, mean, whatever you'll make it. Fat. With tight, like with money. Yeah. Yeah, they just went straight up to Jew.

Right. There was no. We got one word and that works for the whole thing. Yeah, but that goes back to the obvious racism. It's just, it is interesting to think about the times when somebody was saying something. And then years later, you're like, man, that's fucked up. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, right. I mean, most of these, yeah, my point is not like, oh, it's so subtly racist. A lot of them are extremely overt, but my point is how casually they were thrown around and used. And when you're a kid, you don't really interpret shit that way. And then you get older and think about it. And you're like, God, damn. I was just thinking, guys, you're listening to the well-read podcast. One of our missions here at the Well-Red brand is to show the other side of the South, as we usually do in defend it.

So you guys don't think, oh, wait, let's do a whole episode on how casually racist everyone was. But here's the thing, though, that's not that. None of that. I mean, clearly it's not a secret. it, but I'm saying that's in keeping with our argument, which is just like, as Rory Scoble put it, it's like, look, everywhere is racist. We're just louder about it. Sure, yeah.

We're just more like in your face and up front about it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Go to a bar in Queens and sit there for two hours and listen to these old single dudes talk for a minute. Did I tell you about the conversation that I heard at Donovan's between them two women the other day? No. Donovan's is a bar in Queens.

It's my bar and my favorite bar. It's for me too. It's where Corey. It's an Irish pub. Would always meet me when I got off work when he was living up there. I'm going to find this note real quick. Won't you pause it? All right.

Go ahead. You pick up where you left off. So I was at Donovan's and I was sitting there with my buddy and it got kind of quiet. It was during the middle of the day. We were just having a drink and there were two ladies down at the end just talking as, you know, people do it. Donovan's feeling free. Feeling like they could be themselves. And they were talking about Trumps.

I started listening to him. him and one lady hated him and the other lady loved him and was mad that you know the press was giving him down the road and they hadn't given him enough time and all this other stuff were they friends like were they were they were friends like they were they were buddies from the neighborhood i mean they had the thick queen's accents you know what i mean right and so they was talking they're talking about that they fought a little bit the one lady who was pro trump was dominating the conversation the other one you could tell was just like whatever i don't care you know we're getting drunk at two on a wednesday who gives the shit and then it just got quiet like

Like the Trump supporter, you could tell, she's just like, I'm not going to get what I want, which is an argument. And the other lady was like, fine, whatever. And it's just got silent. And then the Trump supporter goes, actually, it might have been the other lady. Yeah, whatever. Well, you remember Landa? I saw her daughter the other day. Landa, she's down in Florida.

She moved down Florida. You remember her? Her husband killed himself? Well, her son, he's a faggot. And, uh... Jesus. In the middle of the bar, that, like that free and that opening laugh. they kicked him out the other day

not because he's a faggot but because he's an asshole he was just being kind of shitty well anyway her daughter lives up here Sylvia her daughter Sylvia and she's got two kids in the oldest one he's slow I mean he's retarded as hell and he ain't doing right

and the other kid is so shitty they had to kick him out too so in like this month span she kicked out her 30 year old son who's a faggot but not because he's gay and then she kicked out the other one not the retarded one but the other one because he's shitty.

So, you know, it's just been rough. I don't know why I went southern all of a sudden. Dude, I was, this whole time I was waiting for you to get finished just so I could be like, dude, even you adopt an exaggerated southern accent when you're being, like, ignorant. You know what, though? It's not the prejudice that did that. It was the old lady with, like, fake teeth and the skins wrinkly, chain smoking at a bar. No, I get it.

You know what I mean? That was, like, five of my aunts. It's not the prejudice. It's not the prejudice. like, you know, Landa, her son, he's a, right, he's a faggot, you know, and the kid, he's retarded. Well, anyway, and it's just, the other lady's response was, real shitty, you know. Well, everyone has troubles. Mm-hmm.

And that was the end of it. They said, her talking about something else. And then I swear to God, five minutes later, Landa comes back up, and the lady says, again, Landa down in Florida, you remember her, her husband killed himself. Mm-hmm. She said Landa down in Florida. to her husband killed himself four more times in the next two hours, I guess because they had drunk.

And for me, that was the funniest part. Yeah. Every single time Landa came up, they had to talk about how her first husband had killed himself because the other lady may have forgotten that fact. That reminds me as some shit that, like, my ma-ma would do.

It's one of those, like, details of, like... That's why I went southern. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like they keep repeating that detail. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, anyway... That's from so many... Anyway, it wasn't because he was gay. It's because he was... an asshole. That was also my favorite line. The other day, my meme was telling me about some old boy that killed himself in Salina, and she was like, and I'm going to change the name, but she's like,

you know, that Smith boy, that Smith boy, Jared, you know, he, well, anyway, he killed himself, and it's just, you know, it's just awful, and I was like, what, no, you know, I didn't place the name, and I was like, what, is he my age

or what? And she's like, no, he's probably about, I'd say he's 64. Yeah. And I was just, I was just like, what the fuck? You were talking like I would know that guy, you know? She does that with everybody, though.

My grannies did that. And my mom made fun of him. And my mama's starting to do it. Yeah. Like, she'll just be talking. She'll just be talking. Me and Andy would be sitting her having dinner or whatever. And mom will just be talking.

And she'll be like, you know, Julie down at the store. And her son, Bill, was the come by the other day. You know, I haven't seen him in a while. When's the last time you're saying? I'm like, I don't know who you're talking about. Yes, you do, Drew. The last time I saw it was never. Julie used to be married that Bobby's Bobby's boy.

And eventually I cheated on her. Of course, he's running around with that little pickcock girl. And you know how that goes. And eventually I just go, Julie. Yeah. She'll be like, I guess, Ma. Hell. She'll do it to Andy too.

Yeah. Mey Ma'am, does that shit to Katie. No-N-K's not even from there. Yeah, it's wild. My granny used to would see some kid that from the church or something that used to go to the church when they were younger. and then 30 years would have transpired and we would run out into these people in the world and it would blow Granny's mind

that this person could have aged considering she didn't see them grow up well he was just a little he was just a little boy the last time and so everybody was always oh you know that he's probably about your age and my mom be like he's 65 fucking years old well he was his age last time I saw him

but all right that was 78 god damn yeah May Miles is wild they are wild I want to talk about, I want to talk about, we are going to talk about our guest and thus about rap music a little bit, but we haven't really talked political shit at all. Well, we were kind of laughing when we took that break so I could look up that story, which was riveting. I don't know why I looked that up. We chose to talk about racism and racist sayings, the dime that we have, Scotty A.T.L. A. A.L. A. Black Atlanta rapper. That was an accident. Yeah. We didn't even think. And I found. I felt dumb as soon as we brought it up.

But, uh, why don't, do I want to talk about the fucking, the bomb Trump job? Yeah, the mother of all bombs. But he's taking credit for, the Moab. Mm-hmm. I mean, my whole thing with that, guys, and I think I said this to the only car earlier, is the war has been going on.

I mean, we've stopped. We stay dropping bombs. Right. We've been bombing shit in the Middle East for years, over the decade now. This is, is either like, oh, a step up of that. and then like, what does that mean? Or, this is what I think it is. It's like, the news don't pay attention to bombs anymore because it's been going on for a decade here and there.

For Trump to get something he has done in the news, it's got to be something that ain't been done before. And I think that was all this was, was him trying to get them ratings back. Right. Because he sent them bombs on Russia. And he got that fucking undeniable drug of approval and validation. Right. And that's that whole, you know, the movie wagged the dog and the whole like, you know, know, ever since the rackstack and World War II and shit, like, nothing is better for a sitting president or any politician, really, if it, you know, than a fucking war.

Because of patriotism and nationalism and people rally around the fucking flag. And so. But the war in has been going on so long that it doesn't serve that purpose unless you can make a splash. Right. And me and him talked about this last one last week's episode when you weren't there. But it, I, I'm not a conspiracy theorist for the most part, but this whole thing, this whole escalating conflict, I swear a big part of me thinks that it's, it, that it's all just totally contrived. Like it will be, it will escalate a little more. And then ultimately Trump and Putin will strike some kind of deal or some shit eventually and, and, uh, where everybody wins.

You know what I mean? Russia gets the sanctions lifted on them and Trump has gotten what he wants, which is to. what we're talking about now sort of rally the troops a little bit, you know, literally and figuratively, you know what I mean? And just they both come out looking good. And the only people that have to die are brown people in the Middle East. So, hey. Well, and our soldiers, which is a lot of brown people and a show little poor folk.

Right. So, yeah. And again, we talked about that last week, but I just, can you, you know, fathom how, because it's already bad. It's already very bad. But country music on the radio, it can get more shitty with this. Like they've got their dude in and now he's dropping bombs. And we're about to get the next boot up your ass, wouldn't you think?

I mean maybe, but I really think it takes something like a 9-11 to get them to pander that. I mean, they stay pandered. Right, right, right. But I'm saying in that way, like I can't see somebody making a beer-drinking anthem about us dropping the mother of all bombs on Afghanistan. Yeah, I guess you right. Speaking of Russia, I read today that they invented a bomb bigger than the Moab, and they call it the father of all bombs. Yeah. Russia is, like, we made Russians the enemy on all these movies, these war movies, but like they did it to themselves in a lot of ways.

That's so ridiculous. Simulation, dude. Well, dude, I mean. We call it the father of all bombs. Well, we, I don't think, and I don't have a concrete example that's the exact same thing, but that was our whole deal with Russia for decades, was. that one-up and shit like this. We did that shit too, for sure. You know what I mean?

We put a motherfucker on the moon. You got damn right. We did. Fuck them. Dude, they don't hit. No. We hit. Don't get me wrong.

You know how I know Russia's don't hit? Name a Russian car. Russian car? Yeah. I mean, they have to have their own cars made in Russia, but I got no idea. But dude, that's there again. And I know there's shitloads of foreign cars we know about, but like, that's pretty consistent for Americans.

We don't fuck with nobody else. Japanese. You can name five of those, I bet. You can name Korea. You can't name any China because we won't trade with them. And maybe that's what it is Russia. Maybe I'm ignorant as hell. No, all I mean is...

Not I'd have heard about it. All I mean is, like, Americans not being able to name a Russian car doesn't in and of itself mean a whole lot because, like, we don't even know what kind of... I don't know what Belgium's money is. Yeah, but people can name Russian guns. People do it all the time. Right. Well, but I mean, that means they hit in that regard.

That's what I'm saying. They don't make hitting cars, so they ain't shit. I mean, there again, yeah, fuck them. They don't live. The only Russian I've ever known from Russia is my boy Val Valerie, who went to Tennessee Tech, and let me tell you what, he lived up to it. That motherfucker was the drunkest, son of a bitch. I said they got.

Yeah, vodka, man. He was awesome, though. I mean, he was a great dude. But I'm saying, he stayed drunk on vodka. They're wild as hell. Well, anyway, but fuck them. I mean, the Russian people's fine. Putin don't hit.

Right. And just them. Same thing for us. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They're almost every country. Yeah, them as an institution because, like, you know. I saw a thing when he bombed a side, when Trump bombed aside, that there were 18. You said when he bombed the sun.

I was like, oh, shit. That wouldn't surprise the pandemic. Really? We're doing that now. You need to keep the sun in check. It was in my eyes. I don't want to get glasses. It's blinding me.

Bomb it. There were 18 opeds in. in major newspapers across the U.S., none of them did anything but praise the move. And I'm terrified of that. Well, that's what, that was your original point. Right.

I'm adding to that, I guess, by saying, you coupled Moab with Assad. I think he's making a smart play for approval ratings, but that scares me because now we're back to, because at first it was like, Trump's doing whatever banning wants. Oh, fuck.

And they said that's why he got, That's maybe a big reason why he got rid of Bannon. Biddon's an isolationist man. Right, right. You know? Like, he's saying don't let immigrants in, but to his credit, I can't believe I'm saying that. Bannon is like, and don't bomb them either.

Leave him the fuck alone, you know? But that's what I'm saying. We were afraid of this Bannon led shadow government, white supremacist, nationalism. And now I'm like, oh yeah, but if it's not that, then Trump is just fucking the leader of the front. free world. He's out there bombing people and police in the world and he's also

incapable of that. Yeah, right. I mean, no, that's terrifying. But anyway, rap music. It hits. Yeah. Nile Russian rapper, God damn it. Vladimir Vizfos. There you go. I bet you they got them too.

Guaritan rappers and shit. I know the Russian rappers. I just have rappers. Yeah. What? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. That's absolutely a thing. I saw it. Is it fire? why it's all in it's all in the- you sure it ain't like anti-american rappers that ISIS listens to or you mean they in ISIS?

Well, I don't know that they're in ISIS, but there are guys over there. It's absolutely anti-American rap, but I'm saying like anti-American to the point of like they rapping about, you know how like gangster rappers rap about drive-bys, they rap about suicide bombing and shit. Yeah, but I mean, one time. Let's circle back to booting your ass. Right. The lyrics to that song literally.

glorify killing people in that country. All I mean is, you said Russian rappers and I was just like, I guarantee, you know, there's rappers everywhere now is all I meant. Like, everybody has fucking rappers now. Which is good because rap hits. I mean, ISIS rap. When we colonize Mars,

the first Martian ghetto will produce a fire rapper. Yeah. It's awesome. I ain't a bad idea for a sci-fi movie, like just humans in a slum, but it's all. Mars.

Don't say it in a podcast. Somebody will steal it. Yeah, God damn it. Anyway, edit that. our guest this week. Yeah, our guests this week. So we've talked a lot before, and it's in the book about how we all three of us growing up, you know, not knowing each other at all, we're super into rap music. And so were many of our friends.

And we all three grew up very redneck and very redneck places. And that's another one of those things that's like surprising to people. Who was your favorite rapper growing up? Son, you kid me? Yeah, but I want you to tell the people I know who it is. The dog. DMX, baby. I thought.

what you really want. I've got to tell this story real quick. So as you are both aware, and I mean this, for a good period of my life when I was like a teenager, I was such a DMX fan. I genuinely thought DMX was a better artist, songwriter, musician than John Lennon. Right? That's how I explained my... Well, I thought you used to say Bob Dylan.

No. I said John Linden, but here's why it's funny, I swear to God, Corey's buddy or Robbie. Really happened. I never met Robbie before. Corey had talked about him a lot. And the three of us each have our childhood best friend is Robbie, Thompson, and Brian. And we've talked a lot about how, like, similar they are. So Corey's talked Robbie up.

And I was like, yeah, I'm sure, you know, I'm sure we'd be boys too. But I'd never met him. And the first time I met him, we were getting drunk at Corey's house. DMX came on. And Robbie goes, I had sent a word to him. And Robbie's like, dude, DMX is the fucking best. Like, I swear to God, man. As far as I'm concerned, DMX, better than John.

I'm going to swear to God. I went up and grabbed him and hugged him and I was like, oh, I knew it. I knew it. And then Trey lit the room up. Imagine that shit. Dude, I mean, I'll be honest with you. You know, that sounded stupid to me when you first said it, but in hindsight, man. Neither Robbie said it.

He on board. No, no, no. I mean, not even at the time. Like, just, I don't know. I don't think it's as stupid. DMX is a goddamn hell of an artist. It's 50-50 at least. Yeah, it's not as ridiculous.

ridiculous is what on the surface. If you really think about it's not as ridiculous. My favorite rapper was Tupac until about the end of my freshman year. I mean, it was about Tupac too. And then it was Andre 3000. Right. To me, those are hands down better than John Lennon.

Without a doubt. Without a doubt. I think about it. Sometimes I picture myself like, you know, as y'all are well aware, I was a very fat, dorky kid. And the only thing never now is I'm not a kid anymore. But I was like, even, wait, I'm fatter now than I've been as an adult. adult ever, but I was fatter then at that age and I am now. I was like, what I tell, wait by I explain to people is if you've seen the show Modern

Family, Manny, the little Hispanic kid Manny, I was a white, white trash redneck manny from that show. Piggy Smalls. Yes, Piggy Smalls. And I think about myself in my room, like in my mama's trailer in Salina. Looking like Manny. Looking like Manny, big ass glasses on just in the mirror. Like, I got blood on my hands in her.

no remorse. I got blood on my dick because I fucked a corpse. That is hilarious. And I did that all the time. Just going in. What year in school was that? I mean, I first started getting into DMX at...

I can tell you this. I was in junior high when Flesh and My Flesh, blood of my blood. His second album came out. And I tried to get our guidance counselor to buy it for me. We took a field trip and we went to an outlet mall. The field trip was to some, you know, stupid gay museum or whatever. But we stopped at an outlet mall. And I tried to get my guidance counselor who's ultra Christian, right?

I was like, hey, my daddy says cool, which, I mean, he was cool with it, by the way. Because my dad hit. I was like, my daddy says cool. And I just, but I can't buy it because I ain't old enough. I was wondering if you could buy me this CD. And if y'all remember Flesh and my flesh, blood of my blood, the front of that album. White background. down there just covered in blood.

Yeah. And the back of it is his back also covered in blood. And the track list is like there's keep your shit the hardest. Fuck you. As one of them on like, you know, and they're the terror in her eyes when I asked her to buy that. But so actually that wasn't, that was like, I was probably 12 when that happened. And that was his second album. So I'd say fifth grade probably.

See. Is when I got into DMX. So I'm older than you only by a couple of years. years was now don't mean shit, but back then, that's like a big difference in culture or whatever. When I was about that age, it was when Master P, like, owned the game. For sure. And I was really into them, but that wasn't going to stick. You know what I mean?

And my brother was in the Tupac, and I got introduced to Tupac prior around the same time you were in a DMX. And, I mean, that's the thing, man. When you're like six, seventh grade and all those hormones are kicking through, your first like a wear of shit. And, you know, dude, fucking rappers are cool. Rappers were the coolest people back then. and they still kind of have that mantle probably, don't they?

Yeah. I don't know who's cooler. They took it from rock and roll in the 90s and they ain't giving it back. Yeah, no. No, they are the coolest. As far as musically, without a doubt. Well, dude, who, I mean, who's cooler? Nobody.

Nobody. In terms of, like, professions, astronauts? Uh, no. I can name two astronauts. Right. One of them's dead. So anyway, that was why I was in the two-puck. Who was your favorite?

When I was in... And then I moved to Andre 3,000. I stand by that school. When I was in... was in elementary school. It was bone thugs. Hell yeah. Love bone thugs.

Yeah, maybe. But, again, we're talking about the age gap. Did they do this song? I got five on it, too. That's love news. Yeah. They were kind of a one-hit wonder. I had that album, though.

They were some other hitting songs. I listened to them on, like, around the time I was in the bone thugs. Also, Snoop and Dre, very big for me. But, and this is an age thing. When I was in fifth grade, guess who came on the game? Ludicris? My man Slim Shady. Yeah.

I know. See, that's interesting. Eminem. No, dude. I'm saying, but we're talking about age-wise. Like, but Eminem made me mad.

No. Because when I came on, I went, that's a thing? No, you could be a white rapper and be that cool? I was punk.

I should have been rapping a whole time. You asked me in my favorite was, and it's DMX, but like Eminem, I mean, that was my dude. You remember when he was on MTV and he did White America?

Uh-huh. And he came out as a convict. He was in the judges. Fucking awesome. Oh, my God. White America. I could be one of your kids. That was TRL.

That was when TRL was the thing. Oh, yeah. And, yeah. It was, it was a TRL generation. You're a real millennial. It was,

but it was like, yeah. I'm like a fake one. I was like, but first off, his first song was, A, here's a white rapper and B,

it was very different rap. Yeah. He wasn't a white guy. You know what I'm saying? This wasn't a white guy just doing. This was like, the, that's fucking weird,

but I love it. And then, from then on, dude, it was just him for a while. real slim shady please stand up right that was the first one no my name is my name is my name is and that shit and again I was a huge Dr. Dre fan and in this thing he's like Dr. Dr. Gray's in it and he's talking about Dr. Dre's dad he's locked in my basement you know and I'm

what he Dre signed off on this fucking part right that was a big thing too for me because I was like oh the beastie nope this is something else yeah well that signed off on him that song guilty conscience I was off the first album with him and Dr. Dre when I was a kid now all that shit fell landing on his dick. Go in a gaff of the money and hide at one of your aunts cribs. I'm wearing a damn dress

and one of her blonde wigs. Yeah, man. He'd be safe for days. If you shave your leg with Renee's razor blades. Yeah. But so that is that the same album

where he has the one where he goes, he busts into the room and the ladies watching gay porn. Some of the stuff that smell like Liz Claybourne. I see her sprout across the bed naked watching gay porn.

I don't know. Damn. He got so many bars. Yeah. But, you know, that was that was supreme. we fucking, you know, and a lot of his shit, I'm just now,

when I hear it now, I don't think of myself being manning because I'm a fucking cool kid, but I think of, but I think of just how naive I was. I was just little fucking skinny punk playing basketball rapping guilty conscious, not knowing nothing about what the fuck I was saying. And by looking back, I'm like,

God damn, I'll probably order it up and listening to that shit. Yeah, Eminem tries to talk the dude into raping a girl in that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we was all rapping that and we were Dude, white America, no, not white America. It's criminal. It ends with...

Well, I mean, if it ain't a rapper that I make it as, I'm gonna be a fucking rapist in a Jason mask. Hold up. If I may. In that song, in that song, because the narrative of it, it wasn't Eminem trying to convince somebody to rape it. It was this dude's devil side of his conscience. And Dr. Zayv talked him out of it.

So I'm just saying for clarification. In the song, he was playing your shitty part of your fucking brain. Okay. Well, that kind of... So I actually, like... I fucked with Eminem hard during those years. And then when I got older and, you know, like, I mean, he kind of went away too for a while. And then when I was like in my mid-20s and I revisited Eminem,

I appreciated, I liked it even more because I could appreciate the whole like, you know, slim shady is just like distilled ed. You know what I mean? He's just like angry white man's fucking id. And the difference between that and Marshall Mather's slash him and them or whatever, and that whole thing that he was doing. Mark Matters, L.P. was my favorite one. It's the fucking, it's the shit, man.

But anyway, I mean, yeah, so we fucks for rap, love rap, still do to this day. We listen to rap all day to day on the way there and way back, and then we switched it to a Wynonna. But, uh, we got to keep it real. But, um, we discovered him on the bitter souther playlist, a great online magazine.

Yes, it was, they named it one of the best southern albums of 2014, 2015, and it's his album, The Cooligan. And so that's why we looked it up. But his name's Scotty A-TL. He's a rapper from Atlanta. And we didn't know much about him other than that we liked his shit. And I had tweeted at him. And he was like, yeah, man, hit me up.

What's up? And so we started an email dialogue. And that's how we ended up getting him on the podcast. And Drew was dead during this time. We were all hung over in Athens, Georgia. I was trying to do work on something. I ended up not doing it. But I was planning to.

And so anyway, it's just me and Corey. We met Scottie at one of his producers' places in the suburbs of Atlanta. And, uh, A, he couldn't have been a cooler, like nicer dude. But B, he, he's one of those people that's like, to me at least, he's immediately impressive. Yeah. Like you talk to him for three minutes and you're like, this dude has his fucking shit together. Yeah, more than I ever will. And not just has his shit together, but that, like, like, you talk to him for three minutes.

this dude is fucking, you know, he knows what he's doing. And he's like, I don't know, he's just an impressive guy. And honestly, he's an impressive human being. And we, we discussed that a lot with him. We don't even have to go into it here.

Right. Because a lot of that is, uh, he really guided the conversation a lot because he knew what the fuck he wanted to talk about. And he's, right. He basically represents himself.

He promotes himself. So, you know, you're, you're about to hear a guy who, uh, if there's any artists out there listening, comedian, singers, rappers, this is the guy to model yourself after because he gets that shit done and he does it himself and he's getting his self-fucking paid.

But, I mean, so that's like he's, he's all over the business side of it and he's got his other side things he does that he's successful with also. But I mean, you know, for the record, as a rapper, he's awesome. And he's very prolific too. He had just put out an album like three months before we were there talking to him and he was like, y'all checked out the new show. shit and like he had literally just put out another mixtape that day or some shit so i mean he like he stays working all the time musically and i mean he's fucking great yeah he is really good and i

would recommend uh i mean what's it's it's scotty a till live at um the place in at the smiths bar live at smiths old bar and it's unplugged yeah scotty a t l unplugged at smiths o bar in Atlanta and I mean dude it's awesome. If you like hip-hop, you will like that shit and hopefully you will like this conversation between me and Corey and our new buddy Scotty

ATL. So check it out and we'll see you next week and I don't know what we're going to do yet but it's going to be something that'll hit. Thank y'all for listening. We'll see you next time. I got me in the motherfuckin'clock you're like Scottie one. You might came

and by yourself but you can leave with me. God you need this. She just won't win. She just want to party. Came in a bit by herself, nobody. Trying to clear mind. Trying to hit story. Focus on the future.

She's like fucking history. And I just want to tear. Talk about money. You can play. I mean her I can count hundred. She just won't win. She just want to party. Came in a bit by herself, nobody.

Watch getting good. Piker full of money. Later made me smile. Go grill on the sun. I'd be on the ground. Deep and slick booze. Dancing like your horn. Want to do a wrong.

Let it feel the price that she's far with me long That's what's the curfew She's a bong grown Yeah, man, you should come stay Feel like we came out of mud, hit the lot of Baby we can five for a minute Then we're gone It don't take long

When you buy this strong You can lose momentum when you had to poke home Let me take your home Get your all in your zone Yeah man, you do You got a lot going on, right? You run your own grill company You make grills for other rappers and stuff

Yeah And you have You got your landlord, a landlord, you have rental properties and stuff like that. Did that stuff, I have an assumption for the answer to this question, but did that stuff come before or after the rapping, like which one led to the other? Or has it all been kind of concurrent? Yeah.

Well, like, I started rapping like, right, a long time ago. How old were you? I was probably like seventh grade. Yeah, right. You know what I mean? So, but then I stopped rapping for a while. Yeah. You know what I mean?

And kind of just got like calling the streets and then got my life right. And somebody was like, yo, you need to get back to rapping. And I started back. But during that time period, I got the rental property or whatever. Yeah. The Gold Grills was something that happened when I started back rapping. Yeah. I just had this dude kept asking me about helping him with his grill company.

Right. But I didn't really know nothing about going. grills, you know what I, and so I was like, but I like to do marketing too, though. Yeah. And so I read marketing books and I'm just all on, you know, on the marketing tip of things. And so I met a friend who used to work at a dental office. And so he was like, man, I'm trying to start a grill company. And I was like, man, this dude been asking me to do it.

So I was like, if you're serious, we can go over there now. And so we did. You know what I mean? And I introduced them. I was pretty much like the business person. and they were, you know, the guys that was actually doing more of the stuff. And then that didn't work out, so we ended up having to do it on our own, which we have now at a time grills. And do you think, you mentioned like being into marketing and just like reading books about it, stuff like that?

So you're into the business side of stuff like that, interest you personally? I just watched it. Yeah, man, I thought that stuff. And what's funny is like I went to college for business, but I did. did it like just so I could like get a job because I didn't want to be waiting tables trying to be a comedian or whatever. That's really all it was. And like I have an interest in it, but man, I'm just, I do not have like, I don't feel like I have a natural aptitude for it. You know what I mean?

Like the business side of like show business. Right. That shit is not the part that hits for me. You know what I mean? I like the show part. The show part is fun. The business part, not so much. But like, but you, I mean, how much do you, how much do you attribute your success as a rapper to,

to all that shit. Like the business, like, do you think... All of it. Yeah, right, I figured. Because, like, you know, my route has been different for a lot of other artist's routes in Atlanta.

In what way? How was it different? Well, like, the goal for majority of people is to get a record and make a hit. Right. And that's your ticket.

Right. You know what I mean? Like, do you get a record deal or your hope and dream is that you can, do more off of this one record. Yes. Most of the time, they do the one record and then you

never hear from, right? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, like, for me, it just didn't work out that way. I had dope songs that went on the radio, that went on BET jams, that never really just took off but my projects and what I put out, like a whole

collection of a CD or mixtape, those would be in magazines and get recognition. So I ended up going on tours and having other sponsorships like I did a deal with cyan Toyota for one of my mixtapes. Oh, hell yeah. And I, you know, and I made money off of that.

And so I ended up having to learn the business. Right. Like, okay. No choice. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I don't learn these things, I'm not going to eat. You know what I mean?

I'm not going to be able to do the music. Did you, were you worried? Was part of it being worried about people taking advantage of you as you were getting into it? Like you're making more money? Because that's nothing. And I'm not saying, I don't feel like that's really happened to us yet, but you realize as you start to move upwards. I mean, I assume it's that way in music,

because, you know, I've seen straight out of Compton. I know about Jerry Heller and all that. But it's like, but it happens in comedy, too. It happens all, and for all entertainers, like, as you start to go up, you really, everybody wants their pound of flesh. You know what I mean? Like, all these people showing up that, like, want something out of you, and you start to wonder, like, you know, how can I, can I,

who can I trust and who can I not trust? Am I going to get taken for a ride or whatever? So was that part of without a doubt So is that part of what you were You know your thought process when you were like I need to learn how this shit works So that that does not happen to me You know what I mean?

Well like you know I started talking to people And I started realizing that certain things I could be getting paid for Right Then The other artists just didn't know Right

You know like You're publishing and registering your shows And your songs You know And just different stuff like that And I started putting some of that stuff in the practice. And I started to realize, okay, I'm doing the same thing they're going to do. You know what I mean?

Like, well, if I could set on my own tour, why can I just do that and just make it work? And what actually ended up happening was I started gaining momentum and getting fans to the point where it was like by the time people was coming, I could have took some, you know, terrible deal. but I was like man I've done all this work now I might as well keep going until I really get my just dude yeah what is that there's that one song

and I thought of this one because you were saying something similar to it a minute ago you've got one song where you talk about either before or after about how you see a lot of people have a hit and like pop real big and like blow up

and then they can't sustain it or whatever whereas you've built like a foundation like a slow burn building a foundation of fans and stuff or whatever. Right.

Yeah. And that, we were actually, yeah, you're right. That is that song. That is an awesome song. That was actually my introduction to you, period,

was that song. I saw it in, have you ever heard of the bitter Southerner? It's like an online magazine based in Atlanta. They featured you on the best southern albums of 2014. When to Kuligan come out, 2015? It's 2015 because I went then and made a playlist on Spotify of every album that was on there,

and you were on there, right by Jason Isbel, is our favorite singer-songwriter of all time. I was like, okay, Scotty A.T.L.'s right. Who is this guy? And then I heard Busted Open. I was like, I fucking love this. Yeah. That's the jam, man. I put this on my love making disc.

Okay. Like a shoe. That was like, oh, my God. That's crazy. My girlfriend loves that song. That's crazy. But that, but that, though, that whole concept, me and him were actually talking about that

as far as comedy just the other day because like you see that kind of stuff happened there too with like people that are super funny or whatever come out of nowhere and people notice them and they've got and they you know catch people's eye and then they sort of blow up or have it like a

meteoric rise but then like turns out they've only got you know 10 15 minutes of material or whatever and it's like and then they get into trouble with that and I'd like to think that's not me because dude I for the record you know you're talking about you want to have a record and make a hit and then go out. That's sort of what I did in comedy. Like I kind of just popped out of

nowhere. I had these like videos that went viral, which is sort of the equivalent of having a hit song or whatever. And so I'm kind of one of those dudes, but like I've been doing comedy for going on seven years. So, you know, I'd like to think that I have the foundation needed or whatever. But like I totally know what you mean with that kind of thing. Like I think that's important because you can get into a place that you're not ready to be yet. You know what I I mean, and it's better to like delay gratification or whatever, you know, until you are actually ready to do it. You mentioned earlier, you said you started rapping and you were like, how old are you in seventh grade? 12, 11, 12, and then you stop for a while.

Can you talk about why? Did you get like disillusioned with it or did you, or you were just like, I got to make money and I'm not making money doing this, so to hell with it? Or like, how did you fall out of it? Well, I ended up going to college in Savannah. You played basketball, didn't you? That's right, yeah. For Savannah State. What college was Savannah State?

Savannah State. And we wasn't good. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We was like, oh and like 20-something. That is not good. Savannah's cool, though. Savannah's cool.

But I came from a system where we went to like, almost like the championship. Oh, right. You know what I'm saying? So it was like a huge difference. Oh, yeah. So I just had to make a decision like, okay, I can't do both of these and go hard. It's either going to be music or it's going to be rap. And so I ended up getting a record deal.

I stopped playing ball. I let it go. I came back to Atlanta and then just got just involving the street life. You know what I'm saying? Like traveling or whatever, you know, I could just. Because of money. You could make money doing that. Yeah, right.

But then at the same time, you know, I just. had like a bunch of stuff that you know um i just were just angry you know what i mean about where i was in life you know what i mean yeah and uh i just gave up on the rapping you know what i mean i ended up on working with this dude named mixo and we had a single and um things was going good but my life wasn't right good and i would go to my homeboy house named micha he would have like a bible study at his house and I never forget I went to his house

and I had some weed on me and he was talking about like what's the one thing you need to give up that you feel like you know God's telling you need to give up so you can go to the next level and I was like man

I need to give up this life you know the style that I'm living and I did you know what I'm saying so I kind of gave up that but I knew I had to disconnect myself from the word from the rap world you know what I'm saying

like in order for me to fully make make, you know, the change I needed to make. You said that because, like, rap and that lifestyle kind of, they can go handy. Was there a lot of the people you... That's what I was about to, right. It's a lot of the people that are part of both that you were hanging around because of the... Okay.

So, you know, going around them and, you know, a lot of times, they might not understand what you're trying to do when you make a change in your life. You know what I'm saying? They don't care sometimes. They don't care or they want to peer pressure you or whatever. It was just too much for me to be able to be into it, you know? And I knew I had to, like, kind of just get myself. out of certain situations. And I just gave it up.

You know what I'm saying? I was just like, man, it ain't going to happen. I'm done, you know, whatever. And that took years, though. Like, I stopped rapping for like a little minute. And then it was one of my partners came to me and was just like preaching to me about how I needed to start back rapping. Did you keep doing it like just for fun or for yourself?

You quit it completely. Like you totally stopped, rotten rhymes or even, okay. Yeah, I just stopped, you know what I mean? And, I mean, it's, it's, you know, it's, It was just like one of them things where I was just like, maybe this is not something I need to do. You know what I mean? And then they had like maybe a friends and family event at the church gathering one day. And everybody was like, you know, trying to rap and stuff for the event.

So I was just trying to really just kind of just have fun. And I was like, man, I'm going to make a song and I'm going to join this. Nobody knew I could rap. And I did it and it just blow people away. And it was like, yo, like, you need to get back. into doing this. Yeah. And I started back, you know what I mean, since then.

How long ago was that when you started back? 2000 and like nine or ten. Right. You know, and then just gradually, you know, before I did no any mixtapes, I was just, I'm going to just make a song, you know what I mean? And then I started going to different places like performing at the halve time of the ABA basketball games, you know, traveling. you know doing stuff like that.

Did you, that was a question I had or something I've wondered before about the live element of rap it when you're like coming up as a rapper. Is that always like fundamentally a part of it or do you like, you know, is it feasible to make your own songs just like in your room or with your boys or whatever making songs and they're good and then like and then eventually you're like, oh shit, we should start doing this in front of people or. Is it like, No, that's how we did it.

That's how, you can see, like, again, in stand-up, there is no state, you have to go up, you know, on a stage and do it, you know what I mean? Or it's even fine out of this. Right. That's the only way, funny. Like, that's the only way it exists. You know what I mean, is to do it in front of people. And so that's wild to me to think about, but I was thinking about that on the way up here.

Like, as a rapper, you can do your thing, making songs or whatever else. Right. Without the element of a live audience. I mean, theoretically. Hell, you could do it forever that way. But, like, so were you always performing, though? Was that always part of it for you? Or did you, like, did that come a little later or whatever?

And how do you feel about the live performance part of it? I love the live performance part. I feel like that's a big part of it for me. Right. It's the adrenaline rush, right? I mean, obviously, we're not rapping, but it's wild. I mean, for me, nothing compares to, like, being on stage in front of people and killing, like doing well, you know what I mean?

Nothing compares to that. Yeah, I mean, I think that the live part of it for me is big because it allows me to make a, like, a lot connection with the fan. I personally feel like when you see somebody live and you like them, then that's either you're going to become a fan for life or you may not listen to that music no more. Right. You know, like, that's how it is for me. Yeah. I remember going to certain concerts, and when I saw it live, it meant everything to hear the song with me, you know? Yeah.

But, yeah, you could do it starting out and not have any kind of stage performing. Right. Which is actually kind of crazy that it's like that. But it's just the world that we live in now, you know, before. I don't think you could do it like that. Yeah. It's hard for me to believe that you. ever could.

Right. But yeah, like you said, that's the world we live in. Yeah, it just seems like so fundamentally a part of entertainment to me. But I mean,

but I guess, you know, again, theoretically you don't necessarily have to. But yeah, like I, and I'm going to, you know,

sort of a shame to admit this, but this is true. I mean, I'm a huge rat fan and have been most of my life. And that leads to another question I want to ask you in a minute. But like,

I was never, I always like respected Jay-Z or whatever. I wasn't a huge Jay-Z fan, but then I saw JZ live in like 2009 or 2010 or something and it's one of the top three concerts I've ever been to in my entire life like performance wise it was amazing and I've been a that that elevated my fandom of him or for him you know like tenfold you know

what I mean so like you're 100% right I think and we feel the same way as comedians like because man people come out to my shows it's like seen these like viral videos and they'll tell me it's like I didn't know how funny you'd be in person you know what I mean? But when they come and I am funny, then now, hey, they're sold, you know, and you keep them, and that's very important. But so the question, I said, I've been a rap fan my whole life. I wanted to get your perspective on, because sometimes people are very surprised to find out that I am a rap fan because like, because I'm a country boy, redneck, hillbilly, whatever, from the middle of nowhere, Tennessee, like trailer park, childhood, you know what I

mean, like that whole thing. And now I'm out all around the country. When I meet people from outside the South, they're surprised about a lot of things about me, but one of those things is when they find out that I love rap music. That's one of the things that is surprising to them. Right. And I just wondered, like, are you, how aware are you of that of, meaning like, you know, poor white, trash, redneck people being super into rap, like, specifically in the South, and, like... I'm, I'm definitely on that, you know what I'm saying? I've been on tour. I've been on three national tours. Yeah. about to go on my fourth.

So I went on to her first with Jaron Benton. We did about 19 dates, and his fan base was all, like, crazy. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Majority of it was, like, white people that was crazy. You know what I'm saying? Fans were, like, one or two me mad after the show and, like, give me a hug. Yeah.

I was like, yo, this is crazy. Like, but, like, Jaron Benton comes from the world of, like, like Hobson. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, I know. So that's the type of fans in the crowd that was at that show. And then I went on tour with Big Crete in the Jackson, Chicago. Big Crit.

We are totally different. Losso fans. Yeah, it's totally different fan base, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, urban crowd, majority of them, and black dudes coming with their girlfriends. You know what I'm saying? Like, and then I went on tour with B-O-B. Uh-huh.

It's a mixed crowd. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I've seen every, I've seen it all. You know what I mean? I see old dudes come, you know what I mean, to the show and be like crazy about rap music. I'd be like, dang, like, dude, like one dude was like seven feet tall almost. And his white dude looked like he was just from the country.

Uh-huh. But he loved it. Yeah, I grew up in the, I mean, the country, man, like the backwoods or whatever. And almost everybody I grew up with all my best friends. Some of these dudes, man, are like as like. most stereotypically redneck as you can imagine, like driving jacked up trucks and just like, you know, that whole thing. Dip a snuff in their lip and that whole type of shit. And like, dude, we all, we didn't just listen to rap, but we listened to a shitload of rap growing up.

And, like, that's still very common there, like, to this day. And that's, that's a thing that, like, a lot of people don't realize in other places. You know what I mean? When I was growing up, I mean, similarly themed, all white kids, all country kids, but everybody's favorite. act was outcast. Like, oh, hell yeah.

Everybody, it didn't know that. Dude, without a doubt. No one ever thought, like, oh, this is a white versus black,

yada, yada, yada. It's just, you know, outcast. It was good. It was good. Right.

And, you know, poor white kids, poor black kids, everybody has the same experience. Well, you know, similar,

a very similar experience. And, you know, again, outcast, just fucking great. See, that was a,

that rap music and then also, certain comedians, like for example, D.L. Hugley where how I sort of realize the similarities and experience that I think people have, regardless of race, when it comes to, like, poverty.

You know what I mean? Like, growing up poor, it's like, it's the same. A lot of that stuff is, like, universal. You know what I mean? That, like, a lot of rap music I would listen to where they would talk about, like, the struggle and shit like that. I would, like, relate to all that

because of my background. And D.L. Hughley, his comedy, was sort of the same deal when he would joke about growing up poor like he did. Every punch I only had, I was like, that's my grandma or that's my neighborhood or whatever. You know what I mean? And that's when I sort of realized that similarity of experience.

And I think that's where a lot of that comes from with people, you know, if you make stuff that's good, like the crawled, right, they identify with it. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's what I'm shooting for when I'm making my music light. Right. It's for whoever can relate to it. Well, buddy, my redneck buddies love your shit. I turn them, I turn them all on to it, man. All the time.

Yeah, that's sweet with those. Real life. Because I mean, I always have access to know. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. And what the music is reaching. You know what I'm saying?

So even just to hear y'all telling me this, you know, it made me feel good. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, man, absolutely. Well, like I said, I won't be respectful of your time. And then we're reaching up on the time we had a lot of it. So, but this has been great, man. We really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. And, you know, man, keep doing it.

Keep doing it. Yes. You did you get a chance to the new CD? Yes. Yes. That's on Spotify, right? Is that the one that's got a, that Life of the Party is off of? Or was that just a single that came out?

You're talking about smoking on my own story? That's what I'm talking about. You've got another one out? You've got a new one that? No, I didn't even know that. I was thinking of that one. I did a whole CD with Drummond Boy. Drummond Boy has done a lot of big production.

And we did a whole CD together. You know what I'm saying? Well, it's just his tracks and I'm going in on the tracks or whatever. Okay. But it's 10 new songs, one bonus track. You got to check it out. Some people have said it's one of their favorite CDs than I have put out ever. Dude, you just, you're prolific as hell.

I had no idea. You put out another. We literally thought we had listened to your newest stuff. Yeah. I did put one out. Okay. So what was, what's that one called again? The new shot Cupid.

Okay. All right. Dude, I'm definitely going to check that out. and I'll tell all my hillbilly buddies about it too. Everybody listen to this podcast. You also check that out too. I would doubt. Yeah.

No doubt. And the marijuana strain. Y'all familiar with it? I'm familiar with the... Do you actually have your own? Yeah, I got two strings. I thought, Jesus Christ. See, I thought that was just the song.

Yeah. Just like the name was... Yeah. Okay. You want to promote that? Yeah, one is called Cloud 9. Yeah. And the other one's called Curious George.

Okay. So I linked up with a company and then I'm going there next week, actually. But it's called the DAB Company. Yeah. And it's a dispensary out in Denver, Colorado. Uh-huh. But they got a grow house, too.

Uh-huh. And so they helped me, you know, to have my own custom, you know, weed that I have. That is cool as hell. Yeah. This is my favorite thing currently about you. Dude. It is earlier in the conversation, he was talking about going to church with weed in his pocket. And he was like, I realized what I had to give up to make it.

Flash forward. I have two weeds. Now, two weeds. Damn, dude. I get paid, you know. Hell, yeah. It's dope, man. It's legal trafficking, you know what I'm saying?

I'm, yeah. Color made jealous. That's awesome. It's how we need to get in that weed game. Yeah, we don't pull up, man. Cloud 9 and Curious George, might have fed. Let me see if I got, I got pitching in my farm. I could show you out.

Hell yeah. That's the time. Next time we go to Denver, I'm going to holler at that. Yeah. Y'all got Cloud 9? Yeah, most definitely. So you can see that's curious George right there. Shoo-wee.

Lord. There's an orange fuzzle shit. Both of them are Sativa hybris. Okay. But Curious George is more like a banana citrus-type flavor. And this is Cloud 9. Okay. This one has more purple hairs.

And this is one of the early stages. This is one like this is all these are mine. That's Cloud 9 again. That is so awesome. When I was a kid, I thought it'd be cool. You know when people get stars named after them or something. What about, what about, like, you got tour dates coming up or whatever? Did anything?

Okay, this episode will actually air in probably like six weeks or something like that. Okay. So if you want to factor that in. Okay. You just got various days. Go to your website. Where should people go if they want to find your tour? Okay.

Okay. It's ScottyATL.com. Okay, cool. It's C-O-T-Y-A-T-L dot com. All right. It's time, man. Yeah. It is.

I'm excited, man, so. I got to come to check out a lot too. We're going to be playing in Atlanta. It shouldn't be long. We'll definitely be back. Man, let me know. Dude, please come. Yeah.

Yeah. We'll put you on the list. You come hang out. We'd love for you to do that, man. You have a good time. Yeah. We'll go come check out one of your shows, too, without a doubt. Okay.

That'd be awesome. Okay, man, Scotty. Thank you very much. Thank you, man. Appreciate it, man. Absolutely. It's a pleasure. I don't hunt it, yeah.

The guy man, the motherfucker feel like Scott and wonder. You might have been here by yourself, but you can leave with me, you feel me. I'm the type of guy you need to be. She's just won't win. She's in a bit by herself, nobody. Trying to clear mind. Time of his story. Focus on the future.

She's like fucking his story. And I just want to tell you. Talk about money. You can play. You can count honey. She just won't win. She just want to party. Came in a bit by herself, no spotty.

Warting getting good. Pocker full of money. Later made me smile. Go grill on the sun. I'd be on the grind. Sonny to sign. She'd be slick boojie, said she had fun.

She would know it real soon. Trying to fake to fit. Dancing like she's horny. Want to do her wrong. Let her feel the price that she fought with me long. That's what's the curfew. She said, bonged grown. Oh.

She come stay. Feel like we came out of mud, hit the loto. Baby, we can't take. long and vibe this strong you can loom momentum when you had to poke home let me take it home get you all in your zone