wellRED podcast - #129 - Whales Fuck in 3's & The Great American Gun Tragedy

Episode Date: August 7, 2019

This week the boys discuss ghost towns, slot machine related moral conundrums, how whales bone, and unfortunately the most recent mass shooting wellredcomedy.com for tickets to shows sponsor this we...ek: TakeCareOf.com (Prom code RED for 25% off!)

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Starting point is 00:00:41 Do you even know? Do you know how much you spend on takeout or delivery? Getting a paid chauffeur for your chicken low main? Because that's a thing that we do in this society. Do you know how much you spend on that? It's probably more than you think. But now there's an app designed to help you manage your money better. and it's called Rocket Money.
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Starting point is 00:05:29 Corey's on his porch doing whatever. What are you doing? What do you do when we have podcasts, Corey? Well, right now I'm up in my office. Me and Amber. You know, we've been on a nice little break, so me and Amber actually got the whole house cleaned up and kind of organized the way. We've been wanting to do it for a while, but I haven't been home to help her. So I actually have my office completely set up, and I'm sitting in a child's, like, elementary school desk with my podcast equipment sitting on it.
Starting point is 00:05:57 And I'm staring at a bunch of Star Wars pictures that I hung up. I'm a fucking neck beard, I guess, is really what it pulls down to. Why do you have a child's desk? I got it at a flea market so there was there was two of them and they was only $10 a piece and like I had this like sentimental vision of like my niece my two nieces LJ and Sadie like you know when they got older they would come over like we'd be watching them and they'd come over the house and do their homework and stuff so I got these two desks because we have this well we have this your nieces or nephews will come to your house to do homework and that is
Starting point is 00:06:33 a compliment for the record that's I mean that's true but we i have like this there's this side room upstairs next to my office that's kind of like perfect to put a little twin bed in there for like them napping and put all their play toys and stuff so i bought these desks i was like oh you know maybe if they you know they come over here after school yeah that's probably more along yeah that's more along the lines of what they'll be doing but surprisingly my fat ass fits in it and it's uh i don't know it's neat i've been writing at it i've been like putting my computer on and writing it because it fit you know as you know i have i have like shut the fuck up i have like fantasies of going to school because i didn't
Starting point is 00:07:06 really do that whole thing. So like, like this whole, these past two weeks that we've been on break, you can ask Amber, I've been getting up earlier than, I've been getting up at like 7 o'clock in the morning, going on a walk and like trying to get some right and done, which I mean, you know, nothing do and you can't force creativity. But I've been trying and I've been sitting at a goddamn school desk drinking my coffee, just like, I did something. Man, that's, go ahead.
Starting point is 00:07:29 I just, I remember once, I think I've told this on here maybe, so I ain't got to go the full detail version. of it, but I remember one time, like back in the day, pre-hit and all that, we were all together on like a group text or something, and Corey mentioned how he had a, like, a promise to himself or something that one day, one day he was going to graduate from the University of Georgia or something. I'm going to do that. And I started laughing. Like, we're in a group. text or just like L.O.L. Ha, ha, ha,
Starting point is 00:08:08 or whatever else. But he, like, kept talking about it. And I was like, I was like, oh, shit, wait, you're like not kidding. Yeah, he wants to go back to the University of Georgia and get a degree. I was like, you're being serious right now. And I was like, oh, damn, man, now I feel bad. Like, I kind of feel like,
Starting point is 00:08:22 uh, and I still plan on doing that. Yeah, right. I feel like a sank of coffee and, uh, cool running. Yeah. He laughed at Yule Brenner for thinking he was going to live in Buckingham Palace one day or whatever. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:41 Dory, you thinking you can get a degree is as dumb? Is that Jamaican dude? Thinking he could live? Thinking he was going to live in Buckingham Palace. First off, I'm not...
Starting point is 00:08:53 You tiny desk, dumb ass. I like how you said you felt bad. And then by the end of the story, he was way worse. No, I said that at the time. Oh, I said that to him then. Okay, okay. So that was part of the story I'm retelling.
Starting point is 00:09:09 Yeah. For the record, I'm not convinced I won't live in fucking Buckingham Palace, neither. Y'all don't, dude, things are changing over there. You know what I mean? Like, it's different than it used to be. So that's like an okay segue. Things are changing over there. Into something that I want to, I got a message from a fan, Corey.
Starting point is 00:09:31 I don't, he said something. I said something back. He was funny. and then he said my favorite thing on the podcast is when you guys do exactly what they, they being,
Starting point is 00:09:43 I guess like the right wing or our uncles, think you'd be doing? Uh-huh. And I was like, huh, and then the next message was, you know,
Starting point is 00:09:52 like when you literally smell your own farts. Oh, yeah. Like a South Park episode, and you're just sitting there drinking coffee in a child's desk with your Star Wars posters discussing the politics of England and how you're going to move into Buckingham Palace one day. I didn't say I was.
Starting point is 00:10:14 I just said it's not. Go ahead. I didn't, first off, I will graduate from the University of Georgia. I may live in Buckingham Palace. Right, right, right, right. I'm very aware that that one's still probably a hot drink. That our uncles would be proud of, blowing shit up. up, you know, snakes.
Starting point is 00:10:37 But his point, and we keep proving it over and over again, is that, I mean, you're sitting here fantasizing about getting a college degree. Yeah, no, I know. We literally smell our own farts. We frequently tell stories about staying up late at night to consume art together while in the nude feeding each other. Yeah. I mean, that could go either way.
Starting point is 00:11:01 Not the art part, but you're right. It depends on what you're watching, yeah. If it was smoking and the bandit, nobody was fucking Nogas for that. You know what I mean? Like smoking the bandit and bull peanut, shit. I think it's actually a law where I'm from just in my county that if you watch smoking the bandit, you have to have your shirt off. Yeah, I mean, it don't really have to be, but sure.
Starting point is 00:11:26 I don't, yeah, I can't think of any other examples of that, other than to say I feel like we do that thing all the time. Which thing? Beak like cartoon versions of ourselves. Right, but yeah, we've really jumped a shark. What's that? I said there are times I feel that me as a person and a caricature of myself, like I've jumped the shark.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Like the show has, I don't really know who I am anymore. Right. I am, I'm attuned. Like I'm frequently, I fart and smell it in front of other people and think it'll be funny. And like, oftentimes I'm not in the right crowd. You know what I mean? Right. I'm attuned.
Starting point is 00:12:05 to that in terms of you being the show. I'm attuned to that in terms of how ridiculous we are. But you said that. We start a story and we're like mad that somebody act, you know, like, we're like, man, this woman got mad at me in public the other day. And by the end of the story, I'm like, yeah, I guess I was on mushrooms and screaming at a bush. I'm attuned to that part of it.
Starting point is 00:12:25 What I'm not, I wasn't attuned to this man pointed it out is just how, you know, goddamn queer we are. You know what I mean? I know, but I'm saying that's part of our. like thing yeah that's part of our thing so us being like that is still a version of us being like cartoon versions of ourselves i'm right but that version of it is not one i've realized or thought about before okay that it's weird to me like how sometimes like our like because that's the whole thing is like you know we've said before it shows like when we's in
Starting point is 00:12:56 palm beach and that motherfucker hollered at us and drew was like hey buddy i think you're spending too much time on the liberal part of our moniker you got to forget about the you forget about the red neck part, you know, we'll come down there and whoop your ass. It goes the other way, too, whereas, like, I'm constantly, uh, because, you know, I'm a narcissist. I'll be posting pictures of food, of my food and shit. And I'm always, uh, per my Facebook, uh, fans on the verge of losing my redneck card because of so, like, you know, the way that I'd be making eggs or something like that. And it always, I'm like, yeah, but this is the liberal part of me. You know what I mean? Like that's, that's that, that's that whole, that's the kind of the whole goddamn thing.
Starting point is 00:13:34 Yeah, I know. remember early on me and you used to catch a lot of shit specifically for drinking red wine i remember and it yeah and it was always like that it was like you know we're drinking red wine out of a box over ice like how much more liberal redneck you know does it yeah you want us to be like to me that's like we're right in the wheel house you know exactly with that the wheel trailer yeah I mean, I obviously agree with you guys. I guess it just the metaphor that wasn't a metaphor because it really happened of us literally smelling our own farts. That tickled me.
Starting point is 00:14:14 Yeah. To no end. I wanted to, this is like not related to anything. It's just a thing I decided the other day I wanted to do this week on the podcast. Okay. It's sort of a thought experiment, except according to, So I saw this on Reddit, right? According to this, where the source of it, this is a real, like, story or real life example, like with real people.
Starting point is 00:14:42 But for our purposes, it's just a thought experiment that I want both of y'all's perspective on. Because everybody was sort of torn, like, right down the middle on this. But both sides of it very much felt like the other side was fucking out of their mind. And I did, too. Like, I fell down on one side of it. And I was like, I don't even know how you could possibly feel the other way about this. So it's kind of a metaphor for American politics in some ways, but it's just a totally random story. Is it abortion?
Starting point is 00:15:14 No. That's what I'm saying. It's like one of those types of things, but it's just like a specific story. Well, I said abortion because that's one where I get it. I get why both sides think the other one's insane. Right. Go ahead. Okay.
Starting point is 00:15:28 So let's say, uh, Okay, a person has a, owns a, Corey's still there. Fuck. Really? I, I had a feeling that, I don't know. No, I'm here. I'm here.
Starting point is 00:15:46 Oh, okay. Some bitch was in detention. I'm sorry, I had it on mute, and then I put my phone in my pocket to take my dog out of the room because he was scratching and his collar was making noise. I'm here, though. Okay. So person one owns a antique,
Starting point is 00:16:04 slot machine from like the 40s or 50s that they got from their grandma, step-grandma, who had had it before. And it's a real operational slot machine from back in the day, meaning like pull arm, fully mechanical, not electronic, whatever, you know, however they used to work. So it's like a novelty item. They've got it set up in their house. this person, this same person hosts, has people over, has a get-togethers,
Starting point is 00:16:34 host parties, whatever. And over the years that they've had this, this is like a law school question. Okay. Over the years that they've had this antique slot machine,
Starting point is 00:16:46 people come over, hang out, and, you know, people will go and put, because it's an old one, it's quarters only. It takes only quarters. People put some quarters in,
Starting point is 00:16:57 play it. Every now and then over the years, somebody's won, you know, five-ish dollars or whatever out of it. And, you know, and they keep that or they, you know, play the quarters, don't win nothing and just leave it all in there. The person has never cleaned out the slot machine, like the money that's in it. It holds the money in it, you know, unless it distributes it. Until it gets full or something. But it hasn't gotten full yet.
Starting point is 00:17:23 Where it pays out the winnings or whatever, but they've never taken the money out. The grandma said that she never. had either. They had it, they used it basically the same way. I'm sure they've had fewer parties. But anyway, going back years and years, this slot machine hasn't been cleaned out and it's been treated basically the same way. And then one day, like recently, the person's having a party and someone brings a rando to the party with them. So this guy shows up who's like a friend of a friend. They don't know the homeowner or anything. Never met them. They're there with a mutual friend of theirs. Like, oh shit, you got an antique sloppish machine. It's pretty cool. It's like, yeah, it works.
Starting point is 00:18:06 If you want to, you know, give it a shot, it works perfectly fine. He's like, oh, wow, really. Okay, guy takes a quarter out, puts it in, hits the jackpot and the whole thing empties out completely. And it's like, 700, according to them, like $700 in quarters. Oh, man, that was disappointing. Why? I was hoping it's going to be 10 gram, but go ahead. I mean, that would be... Katie the other night did a lot of the math on this, because that's how her brain works,
Starting point is 00:18:34 and apparently that... 10 grand in quarters would have been a just obscene amount of fucking quarters. $700 in quarters is like 40 pounds of quarters or something like that. So anyway, $700 in quarters, and the guy starts, like, bagging it all up in like a backpack or whatever, and the homeowner is like... you know, oh, I mean, you can't.
Starting point is 00:19:00 That's ours. Yeah, like, I'm not going to, I'm going to need you to not take literally all the quarters out of that. And the guy, and the guy was like, what do you mean? I hit the jackpot. He's like, I know, but it's not, it's like a novelty item that's here just to, you know, for people to play with us when they come over. It's not, this is not a casino.
Starting point is 00:19:18 And the guy, the guy got, like, really pissed off and ended up leaving without the money, because the homeowner didn't let them take it. So he left without the money but was like, I'm going to get a logger, I'm going to take you to Small Claims Court, because that's my money because I want it fair and square, and you're a fucking asshole and all this, and left and sort of just brought the whole party down,
Starting point is 00:19:38 and that's where it ended. So my question to y'all is, like, who's the asshole here? Or, you know, what side of this debate do you come down on? I guess here's my two-part answer. first off, I, as the home, this is just me, Corey, this is not everybody, this is just my personality. I would have let the motherfucker have the money just because I'd been like, oh shit, you know, you want it, whatever. This is a neat thing.
Starting point is 00:20:07 I would have absolutely let him have the money, but also my personality, if I was the one that won it, there's zero percent chance. I would have taken the money, if that makes sense. Me too. Would you have started to take the money? I said exactly the same thing the other night when I was talking to Katie about it. I wouldn't have even remotely started to take the money. I would have started to put it back in the fucking shit. No.
Starting point is 00:20:26 I would have, it would have never entered my mind. If I was the guy, not the homeowner, but the guy in that, and that happened to me, it would never have even entered my mind that I would possibly take the money with me. Because you were a rando? No, because it's not a casino. It's like just a little. But they let people keep to $5. What if you had seen that before?
Starting point is 00:20:50 Well, I had. Now, I just don't think. There's no way I would take it. There's no way I would just be like, this is $700 mine and I'm furious. But I would probably like, if I, I don't know if I was a rando. I have to think about that. If I'd seen them give $5, I might be like, let's split it. But if they said no, I'd be like, okay.
Starting point is 00:21:14 So like, I said exactly what Corey said. I was like, if I was the dude, I would have no expectation to begin with of actually keeping the money. But if I own the slot machine, just because I, you know, what am I going to do? Like a bitch who cares about $700? No. Like if some do come over and won that, even if they tried to give it back, I'll be like, no, take that shit. You know, that's all years now, baby. I don't need that.
Starting point is 00:21:36 I'll restock it. I'll restock it right now. Anybody who, like, didn't need groceries. Yeah. Should be that way. Right. But neither one of these individuals felt either way about their situation. Do you think the homeowner had any sort of historical, what's the word I'm looking for?
Starting point is 00:22:01 Precedent. No, no, no, just like caring about this shit. Sentimentality. Sentimental, like some of those quarters. My bad ball put in there. Me and Katie also talked about that. And according to the story they told, that would have been the case. There should have been at least some quarters in there from, like, way back in the day.
Starting point is 00:22:17 And so, like, I can see that being part of, like, the story of the slot machine. People come over. It's like, yeah, that's from 1914. And some of the, some of the, it's never been emptied out. And some of those quarters are still in there and all that shit. And like, they didn't bring none of that up, though. But like, the, I mean, it sounds like that dude's a douchebag. And, I mean, they kind of are too.
Starting point is 00:22:37 Like, they should have just gave everybody $10 at the party. Well, so the, so the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the people in the, the people in the. Fuck both of them. The people in the thread about. about it. This is what I'm saying. It was wild. Like, it was split pretty much 50-50. And one side was like, well, fuck that guy. What the hell's his, what does he think is going on here? You're not, you're not running a casino. Like, this is, that's, that's, that's ridiculous that he would even think that, which that's how I felt. I was very much fuck that dude. But then the other half was like,
Starting point is 00:23:15 no, you are an asshole because you were totally happy to let people come over and put all their money into your machine and just keep it for, you know what I mean? Whoever first says, that's my money is an asshole. Right. Like, whoever's the first one, do you know what I mean? Like, I was answering the question about my first thoughts earlier. But whoever first said, no, that's my, like, when he started bagging it up, that's a weird move.
Starting point is 00:23:41 I agree. Maybe he's excited. So, Drew, but, but though, but legally it's the homeowner wins every time, right? And I never think about that. Because like, because people were saying, like, you can't let them take the money. Because if you do, now it is an illegal gambling operation. But you are. But you are allowed to, like, have coconut at your house with money on the table if the house doesn't get a take.
Starting point is 00:24:07 In other words, you can play friendly games. And as long as it's not organized with the house getting a take with low stakes, that's not illegal in most states. Now, I'm not saying whatever exceptions are carved out in this hypothetical. state. See, this is why the law sucks. There's an exception carved out so you don't get your little buddy poker game crashed by the cops.
Starting point is 00:24:30 And that's good. I think we all agree. I mean, I think everyone on this podcast probably thinks gambling should be legal. But even in the world where people think gambling should be illegal, most people, most reasonable people are like, but we should carve out exceptions for your friendly poker game. If you bet your buddy 50 bucks
Starting point is 00:24:46 that the balls are going to whip George's ass and then it happens in a restaurant in Bakersfield, No one is for you getting arrested for that. Right. Does that exception apply here? I mean, what if the cop came in and they found out you were letting somebody keep $5? We'd all go, come on, dude. It's a stupid, this isn't a gambling operation.
Starting point is 00:25:08 Right. I don't know. I think since it's not an operation, man, I don't fucking know what the court would do. I think they'd let the homeowner keep it. because it was there and to... I don't know shit about... I don't know shit about fuck, especially the law, but it just seems like there's no goddamn legal precedent
Starting point is 00:25:30 to where that man is entitled to that goddamn money. Well, I'll say it this way. Back to your little friendly poker game, which is legal. In most states, they've carved out an exception for just little... You couldn't sue somebody for cheating you there, I don't think. Sure. Right.
Starting point is 00:25:48 Like, I don't know what... It's like, yeah, we carved out. You could have a duel in the street outside and shoot him dead. Only in the south. And in Florida, you're required to. I'm pretty sure like New Mexico and Arizona, that still applies to, right? Oh, they don't even, it's not even legal to gamble there, so we're not even in the scenario. I'm just basing off, you know, westerns.
Starting point is 00:26:09 New Mexico should have it to where you are gambling legally at a casino, which you can do there. And then if you get in a fight with somebody, you have to duel at the casino, and then we can bet on that. I'd go to that. Yeah, that would hit. Speaking of New Mexico and Arizona and old West type shit, here's another thing. Me and Katie had a lot of random conversations before falling asleep last night for some reason.
Starting point is 00:26:33 Ghost towns? We all know what ghost towns are. Used to go to one regularly as a child. Oh, that's right. There's one close-ish to you. Ghost town in the sky. Oh, not the one Andy filmed her movie at. We didn't even know about that one.
Starting point is 00:26:45 Okay. On that note, that one's completely made up, the one Andy made her film at. The one I went to was both. Okay. I don't know what that means. You can elaborate on it in a minute, but like ghost towns, this got brought up last act. We were talking about things to do with the boys out here in California.
Starting point is 00:27:02 And she was like, what about like a ghost town? Like, I bet there's a lot of ghost towns in California, right? And I was like, I mean like full on like what you think of when you think of a ghost town, ghost town. I was like, probably not that many. And she was like, what do you mean? I bet there's all. I bet there's all kinds. And I was like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:27:24 I feel like I know about those because, like, it just seems, in this day and age, with people going to Chernobyl and taking fucking Instagram pictures and shit, that, like, even in the remotest parts of America, that there just wouldn't be all these fucking full-fledged, old, like, old-timey towns that are still standing but are completely abandoned. Right. that you could just show up to and be the only people there, right? And she was like saying, I think there's more than you think. And so we Googled, just Googled number of ghost towns in the United States.
Starting point is 00:28:02 And I have more to elaborate on this beyond just the number. But what do I think the number was, according to Google? I think it's high. I think it's high because. Right, but what does high mean? Two thousand. I mean, like, oh, no, okay. Shit, man.
Starting point is 00:28:19 Hi, man. I'm going to... Now, I think 1,800 of them are in eight states. Okay. I have more facts on this. No, Corey... I'm just saying if you just Google number of ghost towns in the U.S.
Starting point is 00:28:36 And there's like, it's sourced. There's resources for it or whatever. But what do you think the number says? I'm going to go 475, which I still think is very high. You think that's very high, right? I've said less than 100. According to Google, it's 3,800, right?
Starting point is 00:28:54 Jesus. Oh, shit, I thought you said 1,000 for a second. 3,800. But I looked further into it. And, like, so I went, I looked up ghost towns in Tennessee, right? Because I'm from Tennessee. And it said most of them are in East Tennessee. It's mining, kids.
Starting point is 00:29:10 And the mountain, right, that type of thing. But then I looked into the specifics of them with the pictures and shit. And I don't remember all of them, and you wouldn't have a frame of reference anyway. But my point is, just using one example, one of, like, numbers, they had them ranked, and, like, number two on the list was wheat, Tennessee. Do you know what that is off top of your head? Uh-uh. You know, on Oak Ridge, out toward Oak Ridge National Laboratory, right before you get there.
Starting point is 00:29:35 The African burial ground? Not that. That's a different thing that's in Oak Ridge. But on the way of the lab, on the right, there's an old church, like, in a graveyard. that's like been preserved. Yeah, the wheat community graveyard. Yeah, that's wheat. Okay.
Starting point is 00:29:51 That, it's literally now, it's just a church and a graveyard that like the people, that the lab and stuff will hold little events at and shit because it's like this commemorates the community that used to be here before we did all, but like. Before we've killed them. But all, but all that there is is this little church that's only still standing because the government has kept it that way. Yeah. That counts as a ghost town.
Starting point is 00:30:17 And some of the other ones in there were like all that's left of it, if you went there, is like a fucking chimney from the church building that used to be. I know, that's what I'm saying. That shit don't count. Like when I think ghost town, I think, like I said, you show up and it looks like the fucking set of deadwood. It looks like the set of deadwood and no one is there and hasn't been.
Starting point is 00:30:41 That's what a ghost town is. and I still want to know how many of those are actually out there, and I bet it's not fucking many. I feel like, no. But, like, how do you draw that line? I understand what you're saying about the chimney being bullshit. But, like, if there's a full-on mining camp, there's this old-ass wood building falling down
Starting point is 00:31:03 that absolutely used to be a school. It's not going to look like what you're talking about, the set of dead wood, but it was a town. And there's remnants behind of it. You know what I'm saying? I think it's more, more than 200. I'm back to what you said, though. Like, how the fuck in this day and age does that even happen?
Starting point is 00:31:26 Right. Somebody would be exploiting. If it was cool at all, someone would be exploiting it. Right. Right. It's not cool. It's just these old dilapidated buildings. But like in a mining community, not only is it old dilapidated buildings.
Starting point is 00:31:40 I mean, a lot of times you can't fucking hardly live there. They've stripped it to death. There's arsenic in the fucking groundwater. And it's remote as shit. I mean, there's a lot of remote land in the West, like a lot. And that was my sort of working theory. I mean, they could blow up atomic bombs in areas and not, you know, affect people for the most part. That's how remote areas of the American West are.
Starting point is 00:32:08 So you said, make it cool. The one I used to go to, it wasn't the one that any shot or movie had. And that's not a ghost town. is a completely fabricated old west type town in east tennessee like it was built at like it's a film location or what i don't know why she could tell you what it's called possum trot possum trot and it's a fake old west style town that was just built ground up in east tennessee and like to say there's a lot of horseback riding through there i thought maybe i i i don't do this anymore but i think maybe once upon a time one theory i have is it was just a camp for people who
Starting point is 00:32:43 ride horses and they wanted people who ride horses are into that. You know what I mean? They want to go to old saloon or whatever. Ghost Town in the sky is, I think, a now defunct amusement park, close to Cherokee, North Carolina where? There was a legitimate
Starting point is 00:33:01 mining ghost town. Someone bought it. It was up on a mountain. We're talking like the 60s. There's one road up there and the government never fixed that road. So when the mining shuts down and people leave, nothing replaces it. And they answer your question as to how and why,
Starting point is 00:33:17 even though it's close to civilization, because it had a shitty road to the top, and no one fixed that shitty road, and there was nothing else up there. Someone does buy it, refurbishes the building, puts a gondola lift up to it, you pay, you get on, you get up there,
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Starting point is 00:37:21 Right, yeah, I also had heard of, and it's similar to what you just said, and again, like, it originated as an actual ghost town, but it's been kept that way, and, like, they make money off of it by things you just said, so it's like, but how long can that go?
Starting point is 00:37:35 Is that a ghost? You know what I mean? Have you ever seen that Abandon amusement Park thing? No. Very few of them are in America. Yeah, no. There's like a list.
Starting point is 00:37:44 Yeah, yeah. There's like pictures of ten. There's a very famous one. There's a famous one in like Russia. It's Russia, I think. I think it's close to Chernobyl. And it's fucking creepy. But like, there's a couple of those in America.
Starting point is 00:37:54 And I think to answer your question is like, well, how many, they only last a couple decades unless they're so remote or you know someone does something different with them right and i guess and this is like go ahead cori no i was just that goddamn amusement part that y'all are talking about it looks like uh the the fucking yellow king's place in the last episode of god damn true detective it's creepy as shit it does um i've also been to uh what's north of fort oglethorpe cori kore chattanooga man Chattanooga in between them. Ringgold? Ringgold looks like a fucking ghost town.
Starting point is 00:38:37 The downtown area, yeah, I can see the part of it that you're talking about. At night I could see looking like, yeah, for sure. That's where Dolly Parton got married there one time. One time? Did she get married more than once? Maybe. That's what I heard. She got married. That's what everybody always says. Of course, I never fact-checked it.
Starting point is 00:38:58 I mean, I believe you. I just, you said one time. and then I was wondering out loud if she's been married multiple times. Actually, well, now that I've said that, I didn't think that she had either. I'm starting to think that's bullshit. Yeah, I think she's had one man her whole life, and I'm not entirely sure they're married. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely, yeah. There's like all rumors that they've had an open relationship. Right.
Starting point is 00:39:16 And with like all sexes, right? Yeah. In all directions. Right. Yeah. Yeah. She wild. She is wild.
Starting point is 00:39:27 Remember when, well, this is nothing like that. mind made the wrong ban incest and now we're accusing dolly partner of polyamory um no man she got she got married to carl dean 46 years ago in ringgold nice so it was the one time in ringgold hits yeah yeah it does hit well we've been hey joe did you know that wales fucking threes go on you mean like the trinity killer or shit like they fuck one person they fuck two other people or like they always have threesomes. They always have threesomes, but it's not like the hittinkind kind you'd imagine,
Starting point is 00:40:07 like, there's... Two chicks. It takes two. I just meant like all three parties are actively involved in the fucking part, meaning like it takes two whales to fuck, but it takes a third whale to keep them from sinking and drowning while they're fucking.
Starting point is 00:40:26 So imagine... What? You just get underneath them behind them? Imagine being that whale. You're the bad? It's like the neck beard of whales. You know what I mean? Always the bad, never the, you know.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Quick shameful story. I've seen that happen at a Percocet party before. Okay, quick shameful story. I was hanging out with Tate, SIG-Up at UT Martin when he was in college. I rode to U.T. Martin with some SIG-ups at Tennessee Tech. went down to Tennessee Tech and partied that night with them and then we were going to leave the next day. We left the next day, went to the Siggett party,
Starting point is 00:41:05 I was getting to know those guys. I did not know them that well at all. One of the dude's name was Stro, which what that rhymes with might lead you to believe what's bad, although he was a sway for sure. Anyway, end of the night, the next night, he's dancing with some girl. I woke up and like, hey, whoever said we were,
Starting point is 00:41:23 you know, whoever the driver was was ready to go, we got to go. And this girl was hanging on him. And he was like, here, dance with her. I started dancing with her. I was like, all right, cool. And, I mean, I'm hammered drunk. Long story short, I end up taking that girl back with us.
Starting point is 00:41:37 It happened in the next 10 minutes. And I was pretty impressed with myself. Like, damn, how'd I do that? Until I got to the car and discovered that Stroh had also gotten a girl to go home with him, he just had decided, after making out with one girl in the dance for all night, that he wanted to go home with a different girl. So he did. Went back to the hotel.
Starting point is 00:41:54 There's like six dudes in his hotel. And like this chick's trying to make out. me and I'm not super comfortable with that or whatever. I mean, yeah, she might have blew me, but that's not the point at all. That's really very much a side story and I felt guilty about leaving that part out. The point is, at some point I wake up in the middle of the night to noise and I look over and Stro is fucking this girl in the dark. I can't really like see that well, but he definitely has his leg up on his fat as hell
Starting point is 00:42:19 friend's belly as leverage as his fat as hell passed out friend is snoring like a motherfucker. Yeah. We wake up. Is that a cow? We wake up the next day. We wake up the next day. You know, he tells her by or whatever.
Starting point is 00:42:37 She leaves. He's got glitter all over him because she had body glitter on. He goes and gets in the shower to get the body glitter off of him. He comes out of the shower in a towel, you know, chest exposed. And he's like, man, I still get this fucking glitter all over me. And the fat guy goes, yeah, but. Why do I got it on my belly? And I lost my fucking mind laughing.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Wellsby supporting people when they fuck. Yeah. I go back to my previous question. Is that a crime? Because that feels like it could be. No. You know, okay. I mean, I know that nobody was going to court over it.
Starting point is 00:43:17 You mean, you mean did they assault the fat guy? Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying like, if it was a fat girl. At what point are you in it? If he was a fat girl, wouldn't that be a crime? It wouldn't be sexual assault if that's what you're asking, in my opinion. But if you're in the middle of fucking... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:34 That's an assist. And you push the fucking... You just push off. You pushed the fucking on, too. You didn't... No. An unconscious... They weren't... They weren't...
Starting point is 00:43:42 No. Pause. They weren't fucking on his belly. But... Stroh was an assist. Parts of the... Stroh... Parts of the fuck...
Starting point is 00:43:53 Uh-huh. ...were hoisted upon. on him while he was unconscious. Well, if he was a fat girl... I disagree that parts of the fuck was hoisted upon him. Don't you think it would feel different? The fuck was very much happening beside him. And the last thing I'll say is he was definitely awake when they started.
Starting point is 00:44:14 Like, it wasn't like Stroh brought this girl into a bed where his buddy was passed out. They all got in bed and fat boy just went to sleep. Yeah, that's what fat boys do at fuck party. No amount of fucking will keep you up. No. Just wake up. Now that I think about it, like a goddamn donut. Not that I think about it.
Starting point is 00:44:39 This is the exact opposite of whales. Because they, like, are helping their boy out, giving an assist. They're very awake. They're doing most of the work. Right. Now, is it reciprocated? Like, immediately? Or is it just like a, is that their social contract?
Starting point is 00:44:52 Somebody. No. Whales? Yeah. That's all I'm saying. right yeah put that on your
Starting point is 00:45:00 yeah exactly yeah yeah I've been I've been I've had my knee in your belly for about five minutes just working this 24 year old back into this old girl so you know if you'll have it
Starting point is 00:45:14 here you go that's a that's a gypsy speedboat song somebody jerk out fat boy off I just think it's super beautiful that the whales are helping each other. Yeah, but no, you said it reciprocated. You meant by the whales, right? My understanding is no. Not immediately.
Starting point is 00:45:36 That's not how it works. But like at some point. It's like if somebody let you in when traffic, what? It's just super funny to me that we heard Trey tell this story. You're like, oh, that reminds me of that time this old fat boy got fucked on. I mean, I see that. Whales getting fucking. I do too.
Starting point is 00:45:55 I do too. Two whales always fuck on top of a third whale. His fat boy got fucked on. His name was third whale. Third whale. How about that? Yeah. That's good.
Starting point is 00:46:08 I'm in. Third whale. I'm fucking in. That's so great. Do you know how we let each other, if we're nice, you know, you're merging? We go every other one. I think that's how whales fuck. It's like, it ain't my turn today, but it will be one way.
Starting point is 00:46:22 Yeah, I don't know the specifics. But in like any given one session, there's no reciprocal. They don't like switch out roles. There's the two that are fucking and then the bed whale. And the bed whale is just the bed whale. Always a bed well, never to fuck well. Exactly. Oh, God damn it.
Starting point is 00:46:46 Sarah, please cross stitch us three, three, whales fucking on one of them goddamn what's them things? Mammal pictures. So in circles. What I've always called. Sowing circles. There you go.
Starting point is 00:47:01 Man, I hate to do it. You're going to transition from that into, all right. Yeah, well, I was going to do it when we were There's really no way around it on our show,
Starting point is 00:47:10 honestly. I was going to do it when we was talking about shootouts in ghost towns. Yeah. And that felt like, yeah, fuck, man. And then you were about to do it.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Then I was like, Hey, Joe, do you know Wales fucking three? Well, this is going to be a harder segue, but I'll find it. My first sex party, I didn't even know that's what I was going to, and neither did the guy asleep. Yeah, man. First of all, obviously, fucking sad and terrible, and we're not trying to be flippant about it. My question, though, is, do you think, I'll preface it by saying I do. I think tides, and I can't believe I'm saying this, are starting to turn.
Starting point is 00:47:53 And maybe I've just echo chambered myself on social media and in my life and moving to California to where I believe that. But it's not that I don't think. We're talking about guns. Yes, we're talking about guns. I've seen Republican congressmen say this shit in the past couple days, so it's not an echo chamber thing. Right. From, in my opinion. There's, this is obviously anecdotal for sure, but I still think that it's indicative.
Starting point is 00:48:18 Also, I feel like, I don't know which thing I want to say Thursday. First, I feel like the actual feelings of most people have been widely misrepresented for a long time in this debate anyway. Yes. But I mean ties are changing in Congress. So, like, when I was in Tennessee for two weeks at the beginning of the summer, when we were in Wayne County, where Katie's from, one day we're at Katie's house on the porch and her uncle comes over. And it's her most red-ass uncle. and he's drinking tequila and he's just being a 60 year old red-ass uncle, you know, as hell. Mad about being a fuckwell.
Starting point is 00:48:55 Talking about all kinds of shit. And but then like guns get brought up and immediately in my head I'm like, oh, fuck. Because, you know, they all know I'm a liberal queer, right? Obviously. So like, I'm immediately like, oh, here we go. But then he says, you know, he brings him up and he's like, I mean, you know, Tray. He's like I hunt. I've hunted my whole life.
Starting point is 00:49:17 I got guns. Yeah, I've always had guns. And I, you know, ain't nobody going to take my guns, all this shit. And he's like, but I don't need a goddamn assault rifle. And I don't know why anybody ever would. There ain't no reason for that shit. And then he further said, he was like, the only thing, the only thing wrong with buying a gun in this country is it's too goddamn easy to do it. and I was like, you know, I weren't expecting, I weren't expecting that out of this particular old boy.
Starting point is 00:49:51 But like, I know like my friends in Salina, again, I'm the liberal queer, they'll bring it up to be like, I just don't know why you think I shouldn't be able to own like a, you know, my hunting rifles or whatever. And I'll be like, I don't think that. Kobe, like most people don't. Like I, I just think that there are plenty of people in this country. you not among them who ought not be able to get a goddamn gun so easily and then find out they agree with you on that
Starting point is 00:50:20 they're like oh well yeah well them sure and it's like well that's all that's all anybody's actually saying it's just been again misrepresented to both sides I think by like the politicians and NRA mostly
Starting point is 00:50:35 and the lobbyists who make the politicians misrepresented as such but I think 90% of people in this country are really not that far apart on what they think gun laws should actually be. Why? No, I agree. And like a lot of those people still try to say, well, yeah, well, like, you know, you get an assault rifle in the hands of somebody like that. It's obviously dangerous.
Starting point is 00:50:56 But like, me, I'm responsible with mine. And then it's that, it's that Jim Jeffries bit. He's like, that's the thing about crazy people. They don't know they're crazy. You know what I'm saying? Like, everybody thinks, oh, no, I'm, I'll be okay with my gun. And then, you know, somebody comes and takes your fucking. coil from you and you get pissed off and then there you go.
Starting point is 00:51:15 Can't be having that. No. Why what? Why? If it is changing. Why would it change now and not when literal babies got killed in the school? Well, when that happened and nothing changed at that time, I was like, well, nothing literally ever fucking will change then.
Starting point is 00:51:39 I said that too. So that's why I'm asking. Well, dude, I think it's just like straws on a camel's back situation. I mean, I mean, it just keeps fucking happening more and more all the goddamn time. And at a certain point, you can't fucking deny it or ignore it anymore. This is, I don't know if I believe this, but a theory. One thing I thought was that picture of the guns spelling out Trump. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:07 I think some of those Republican senators felt that more. you know of like i gotta be on the opposite side of this and then when the next day and you know i would be an asshole not to acknowledge that the next day shooter apparently was super leftist was like angry about climate change and how nobody's stopping it was you know spoke hashtag wise on twitter about like anti-fascist stuff and how you know the only good nazi's a dead Nazi I'm not sure I haven't seen anything yet that says that that's what he felt he was doing that day,
Starting point is 00:52:45 was killing Nazis, but maybe he did, which leads me to another question I'd like to get into in a minute. But what I'm getting at now is maybe some of those senators see this as an opportunity. And this is disgusting, by the way. Like, little babies ain't enough, but now if I can position myself to be anti-gunned but still win votes or whatever, you know, maybe now I see a way to do that. And that is disgusting, but if that's what it fucking, takes, I don't give a shit. I mean, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:53:16 Well, you're saying whatever gets them to the other side. You're not saying, just in case anyone's listening, misrepresents what you're saying. You're not saying, if people dying is what it takes, that's not what you need at all. No, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. No, no, no, absolutely not.
Starting point is 00:53:29 I'm saying is that if we are fine, like, I hope that we're getting to a place in this country where it seems advantageous to put yourself on the side of anti-mass murders as a politician. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I'm, if, if, if the politician truly in his heart doesn't really believe that it's about the guns and mental illness and what the fuck ever and he's actually only going to entertain, uh, common sense, gun control to get votes, I don't give a fuck. Like, that's fine.
Starting point is 00:54:00 Like, if he's doing it for self-motivation, as long as it gets done, I don't give a shit. Like, I agree with you. That's a disgusting stance to take. But if that's truly what they're doing, fuck it. Let it go in our goddamn favor once. I mean, yeah, I agree with it. that but what's the the other part of it
Starting point is 00:54:17 I guess from about we haven't discussed this I guess that well like this as far as I know that's the first as far as I know well as far as I know this is the first one we've had well do you count I feel like
Starting point is 00:54:31 if you're like just drawing the second there was that guy in Dallas who shut up a police station killed a bunch of cops the Black Lives Matter guy yeah I mean that has to be if you're drawing the line down the middle of right and left you like you like you had to put that one on the left and there was the guy in virginia who shot up the republican softball game yeah well what i was going to say this country's so
Starting point is 00:54:53 fucked up it's like it's crazy um but that's the thing though it's like obviously and we were talking about this on the text of the anybody who would do who would actually go through with anything like this is like totally fucked in the head yeah regardless yes but i think that we got to be careful when we talk about that because as so many people have pointed out, every country has mental illness problems and they don't have this problem. It's not just, you know, it's... That's not what I meant. I meant when you're talking about
Starting point is 00:55:22 dividing them among like political lines or whatever. It's like, anyone who would take that, take that step and actually follow through with it is demonstrably a fucking lunatic. Right. My dad's a Republican and he wouldn't even slap somebody that disagreed with him, so like I'm going to go that
Starting point is 00:55:38 far. But, I mean, I do feel like their their rhetoric for the most part is more inclined to radicalize a fanatic of any violently violently specifically it's more inclined to make somebody land on I'm going to kill a bunch of people and that's what I need to do that's my question you are correct or you have been historically and not just historically in the last two decades is that changing what, like the left is radicalizing people now? Is the left becoming more apt than it had been in the past to do that? If so, why?
Starting point is 00:56:20 And what do we do about it, if anything? Because, I don't know. Because, yeah, you mean because, like, they've been calling us pussies for 100 years or whatever? Well, because of Antifa, for example, because of Black Lives Matter, for example, because of groups of people who, by the way, I happen to agree with when I read what they write down they say they believe in. because of them you know taking more extreme measures to defend themselves as black people
Starting point is 00:56:47 to fight fascists or whatever let me give you my Antifa thing I heard so many people that I like on both sides of the political aisle talk about Antifa like they're crazy these kids are playing dress up these anonymous people come and they shut shit down and there's violence that follows them everywhere they go
Starting point is 00:57:05 and I read that and I look up videos and all this because I had to I mean I had an argument with my 13 year old nephew about this, where he was like, Antifa did all the violence in Charlottesville. I had to show him videos of the Tiki Torch people beating the fuck out of
Starting point is 00:57:22 a Black Lives Matter activist who was also Antifa with a stick. And it was disgusting to watch. And I hated showing that to a 13 year old, but I was terrified of my 13 year old who's super pro guns, who's always on the internet, whose favorite word to call me is LibTard,
Starting point is 00:57:37 getting fucking radicalized. Yeah, right. No, yeah. But I didn't want it, but I don't want him going the other way. I guess I am having my own existential, not meltdown, but question to you guys. My experience with Antifa was I wanted to see State Senator Eddie, what is he his last? Fuck. He was running in Knoxville against the co-sponsor of the Don't Say Gay Bill, not Stacey Campfield, but the other guy. He had no shot and he lost badly.
Starting point is 00:58:07 But he had had two events shut down by Nazis because he wrote as part of his campaign plan a very pro immigration policy for his area. Basically he was like, we'll make this place a haven. And then Nazis shut down his next two events. They came there, they bullied him, they wouldn't let him speak, they wouldn't let him walk to the podium. So the third time, he was supposed to speak in downtown Knoxville, these Antifa kids showed up. And my experience was, these are just young people. they didn't even I talked to them outside
Starting point is 00:58:39 I sit there and smoke cigarettes with some of them some of them didn't even like Eddie's policies Drew just was one of them like Drew showed I got to know him I was talking to him Drew down there like
Starting point is 00:58:50 leading the fucking charge there was no charge what they did was they set up a perimeter there were Nazis in the area like they were like yeah they're over there and basically was like you're not coming this way
Starting point is 00:59:01 you're not shutting him down the day and also for the most part They looked like a fucking anemic sex club. Like they had stringy hair. They weighed 100 pounds. They were probably fucking vegan. And I'm looking at this. And I'm going,
Starting point is 00:59:16 these are the people that some people are telling me are crazy that are causing more division in this country. Like on that day, I felt like they were fucking heroes, preventing literal Nazis from shutting down a guy who wanted to talk to people. When the cops wouldn't. I mean, Eddie told me,
Starting point is 00:59:34 I tried to get the cops. Yeah, they want to know part of this. That, when they do that, when that's their primary purpose is to prevent, you know, the Nazis from stopping a lefty guy from talking and that type of thing, then fine. But they also have numerous times across the country, like, shown up to a thing where a all right person is speaking publicly. And they want to shut that. And they show up to that. and want to shut that down and that and which is fine protesting or whatever but i'm saying they oftentimes show up and are doing it like they're they cross a line with it like i give me an example
Starting point is 01:00:16 and then let me ask you a question that dude in uh that Asian guy in Oregon who got the fuck beat out of him by a bunch of antifa people he didn't get the fuck beat out of him he got he looked like he got the fuck beat out of him I saw the pictures of him he looked pretty fucking rough it was his eye right he got hitting the eye i mean he looked like he had been had the shit beat out of it right you should look into that guy but that aside I hear what you're saying I'm just saying I feel like
Starting point is 01:00:40 Martin Luther King proved that doing that nonviolence and all of that is ultimately the most effective way to like see the change
Starting point is 01:00:54 you'd want to see I'm not losing any sleep over Nazis getting punched in the face I don't give a fuck about that that's fine when that happens I'm saying I don't think that should be the aim of any arm of the left or anything,
Starting point is 01:01:08 because I don't think that it's ultimately as effective. I'm not arguing. As going about it, you know, the right way. I'm not arguing any of those points. It's just so easy for them to, I mean, you know, when we get out of control like that, and even though they're not always right, it's just easy for them to go see, y'all are fucking as violent as these other motherfuckers are, so what's the goddamn difference, which I know the difference,
Starting point is 01:01:31 but they can spin it that way. But these questions, they're not binary. This isn't a yes or no thing. I don't disagree with anything you said, Trey, except maybe that last part about change, because I don't think it's fair to just lay the civil rights moving at the ground of Dr. King. I mean, Malcolm X had a lot to do with that, and he was very much the opposite way.
Starting point is 01:01:55 But that aside, sure. I can put that aside, whatever. You're right when you said, if you show up to shut down an alt-right speaker and then that turns violent, that's probably not effective to win the hearts and minds of, you know, Iowans who are going to vote or people or young kids who are about to become the new leaders of this country. But let's go back to what we were just talking about, about what you said, and I'm not trying to like law you and turn it on you. I agreed with you. I feel this way, too. This is my existential issue.
Starting point is 01:02:28 We just talked about how the right is radicalizing people. What does that? the fuck are we going to do about it? What are you saying? Radicalize our own people to fight their radicalized people? Because I ain't with that. I don't, what I said was, what I said was anyone who would take the full step of shooting a bunch of people to prove some kind of point they have in their mind is clearly a fucking lunatic. And I think lunatics are more susceptible to the rhetoric of the right specifically. what I don't think we should do is like
Starting point is 01:03:02 try to balance those scales. I don't understand what you're mean. We shouldn't be trying to to like target. Like we should figure out how to radicalize lunatics. No, I'm not saying that at all. Okay, well, I don't follow them.
Starting point is 01:03:17 I'm saying that you're talking about an example of them like, you know, that dude got into a skirmish. But like the violence that already started that day. But again, fuck that example. I'm not arguing that you show up and you beat people up. I guess I'm asking, do you not go protest, Milo Yacinopoulos, where the fuck his name is? Do you just, I mean, I'm sincerely asking, do you just say, fuck it, let them have their meeting and we won't go and we'll hope for the best? Or do you go there and protest?
Starting point is 01:03:45 I'm asking, genuine. Because if you go there and protest, even not to start something, something will get started. There's part of me that definitely feels like I should never say, no, don't protest, because that's one of the great things about this country that we're all. allowed to do and it works sometimes a lot of the time but at the same time there are certain people like maybe milo for instance that he gets way more coverage when there is the opposition there you know what i'm saying like there's part of me that's like all right let's just try it for a little bit if we ignore a lot of these motherfuckers when they don't have what you know like everybody needs a hill when they don't have their people there to poke at and and the the people on the internet don't have
Starting point is 01:04:29 other videos of Antify people there throwing shit at them so they can doctor the photos to say, see, they fucking started it. If we just ignore them, then like, yeah, I don't think they're going to get the press coverage that they want. It's the tension that gets them the most press coverage. So I do think there's something there. I agree with that. It's hard to say that completely. I mean, I think that spectacle is a lot of, explains a lot of Donald Trump being elected. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. So I agree with that completely. Like, I don't hardly, like, man, I feel bad about it because it's like my own echo chamber. Every now and then, like, I'll just, like, mute Donald Trump's name on Twitter for, like, 15 days just to, like, cleanse myself.
Starting point is 01:05:08 And I also don't tweet about him as much as I used to. And part of it is that, like, sometimes when he does something supremely stupid or dumb or what, like, it's mostly gets coverage because people like me are fucking tweeting about it. And there's some of it that I'm like, let's just ignore this dumb motherfucker because he wants me. and the right wants me to get all fucking bent out of shape of it so they can screenshot my shit and put it on some goddamn Breitbart blog and say look he owned the libs so like I go back and forth because it's like it is my responsibility to, you know, it's everybody's responsibility to speak truth to power
Starting point is 01:05:40 but when it's so goddamn ridiculous it's like look y'all are just wanting a fucking response that's all your goddamn doing so fuck you and fuck this and I'm going to ignore it and that's kind of how I feel about the anti-fah shit half the time well that's certainly how I feel about Trump I guess the last thing I'll say about the antifoy shit, if you look at the experience I have, which is completely anecdotal, I'm like,
Starting point is 01:06:01 dude, yeah, this is Knoxville, Tennessee. The cops wouldn't do anything. You know, this is the same place where that sheriff was talking about how gay people should die. Yeah. Right. And that's a cop. And you go to the cops and they won't help you.
Starting point is 01:06:15 And then these kids show up and they're like, we'll keep them from coming to your event. And I'm like, that's beautiful. But that's anecdotal. And the reason I said none of these questions are binary earlier It's like That to me is who Antify was for a little bit in my mind Until I saw some of the stuff you were describing, Trey
Starting point is 01:06:32 Not that particular example One of the examples I saw was them just crowding This old fucking redneck dude in Oregon And I don't know what happened before that But they were just antagonizing this guy You know, they were just begging him to like swing at him Or whatever anyway I think that's different
Starting point is 01:06:47 It feels different What I'm getting at though, Corey. Like we are the people and we have to stand up to that particular shit. Like he has authority. Right. Right. I don't have no goddamn authority.
Starting point is 01:06:58 But what I'm getting that, Corey, is if you've got this group of people who ride around on their bicycles, their fixed gear bikes, and allow a politician to give his speeches, and I'm with it, I think those people are heroic and that's America and that's great. And they went to the cops and the cops wouldn't help them so they did it on their own. And there was no violence that day for the record. but the story of that and the cult of that, because that's what it will become, is going to attract crazies, like you said, Trey. Right. I just don't think that, like, violence should be included as part of the...
Starting point is 01:07:34 I never argued for that. The goal. I never argued for that at all. I was bringing up that violence is going to happen no matter what. Right. When you're dealing with... Right, and I feel like sometimes... And that's going to attract our own crazies.
Starting point is 01:07:47 And I feel like sometimes... You don't want daddy say, don't start a fight, but fuck. and finish it. I mean, if you're out there trying to be peaceful, but then somebody throws it. Okay, and let's say right, let's say that's literally becomes Antifa and the left's motto. Like, they literally put that in their bylaws. It's still going to attract
Starting point is 01:08:03 people who show up hoping to just show up just to wish that a motherfucker would. Right. Yeah, absolutely. And I don't think there's a way around me. I agree with you. Yeah, I agree with that. That's an existential... I don't think we should just
Starting point is 01:08:18 take their shit, but I don't But I think I have, I just feel like sometimes some anti-fah groups or the equivalent are showing up, like, hoping that some shit pops off. Like, to the extent of like even just basically starting the shit themselves. First of all, that almost, that almost has to be true. But second of all, fuck groups, individuals. Like, there could be a group where certain percentage of them feel one way and the other percentage. My point is simply, or the question I guess, is, what do you do about that? Sincerely.
Starting point is 01:08:53 Yeah. Because it's like, oh, well, then you shouldn't be organizing. No, take it back to the story I told. If they hadn't organized that day, in America, quote-unquote, land of the free, a guy who was legitimately running for office wouldn't have been able to give a speech. And the police weren't going to do anything about it. Right. At least that's what I've been told. Maybe that part was why.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Yeah, I mean, we shouldn't outlaw them or nothing. I'm just saying I philosophically disagree with them some. time just depending not like at an elementary level or a fundamental level anyway i'm saying i think it just gets like a i don't know if it used is the right word either way we like we like literally have to stop now okay because we only have the studio until right now so we got to shut it down we can continue this next week if you don't i don't know if i do okay well either way well unfortunately i'm sure it'll still be god damn relevant next week without a doubt well thank y'all for listening you next week so you love you bye skew
Starting point is 01:09:50 thank you all for listening to the well-read show we'd love to stick around longer but we got to go tune in next week if you got nothing to do thank you god bless you good night and skew

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