wellRED podcast - #141 - Quittin' Baccer, History Museums, and Racist Mascots!

Episode Date: October 30, 2019

On this podcast we start off talking about how hard it is to give up Tobacco which naturally leads into a discussion of how Museums handle disenfranchised groups. Also we talk about sports teams who should give up their racist mascots! Youtube video will be up a bit later than usual. CHO is currently sick (see:not hittin) and we apologize for the inconvenience (how much he don't hit)  wellredcomedy.com for tickets to shows!  

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They're the. Oh. Oh. Hello. Everybody. It's your boy the show. This is why I sound like when I'm sick. I'm sorry.

I do not hit. Yeah. feeling a little under the weather. We had a really good weekend in Charlotte and Charleston. I thank you for everybody that's coming out. I think everybody, it's just this time of year where everybody's fucking sick. I was, uh, and sorry, I'm also out of breath. I was like this last year around this time, which is when I used it as an excuse to quit smoking cigarettes.

And up until this moment, it hasn't been a full year yet. It's been about 11 months and 10 days or something. I've been without cigarettes and I'm using this sickness as an excuse to quit the goddamn, the jewel the thing I used to get me off cigarettes. So, wish me luck. And since I can't breathe, without further ado, here's the podcast. Go to well-read comedy.com and grab tickets for the last couple shows of the year. We're going to be in Denver.

We're going to be in Nashville, our special Christmas homecoming shows. Can't wait to see you guys. Please do not make my how I sound right here determine how you feel about how this podcast is going to be because we were not fucking sick when we were in Charlotte. And we talked about dipping and forgiving conservatives. and loving yourself and a whole bunch and I'm sure some farts. So anyways, great podcast, way better than how I sound right now. Love you guys.

Skew. Hey, I'm stupid. I should also mention that if you've been awesome enough to be watching us on YouTube, that video is probably going to get up a little bit later. It's taking a minute for the video to upload and I'm sick and I don't hit and I want to go back to sleep. So I'm very sorry. The audio will be coming to you. It's 6 o'clock in the morning like always, but I'm not sure on the video.

but please uh i love you and please don't hate me and skew and i love you so much all night long skew do you donkey butt butt butt butt where we go we're off this yeah we're going we're off this weekend it's the only positive thing yeah in my weekend really aside from the fact that these shows have been very fun and good thank you charlotte yeah charlotte has been a good what's the negative i don't feel good it's just that no it's just that time i mean this is exactly how i felt almost a year ago to this date when we did that run with DJ and Asheville. And I, like you, I lost my goddamn voice. And the only positive that came out of that is I successfully quit smoking real cigarettes.

Yeah. And that has lasted almost a year. And I've got, I think, like, 24 days till it's a year. And then I'm quitting these goddamn jewels, too, which is going to be very difficult. Now, just to be clear, I'm not trying to put you on front street, but I just want to know if it's changed any. last we talked about this, you said in another month you're quitting these jewels too, but

you're then going to Snus. Yeah, yeah, I do. I love nicotine. Right, yeah. Like, I'm not, I'm going to go to snus and I get like, to me, the true Russian dollhouse of it would be like going to straight dip and then snus would be

like the last thing because that's the Now you don't even count like lozenges and gum and packs and stuff like that'll definitely be the last thing. Like it'll probably go, because I just don't, I never liked actual dip. Like, it was just too fucking messy. And I'm too. I've still at this day, never done it.

I've done snus, but I've never, never dipped in my life. The reason I had the thing was spit. It's the spit thing for me too, because, like, I'm just kind of all over the place. And, like, with snus, I don't want to swallow it. But if you do, it's not the biggest deal in the world. And sometimes I'll accidentally swallow it. No, you're allowed to, it's made to be smiling. Right, right.

Well, okay, well, there you go, even better. I don't try to, though. Like, I don't activate. try to swallow it and sometimes I will, if that was regular dip I'd fucking vomit everywhere. And I'd do it every time. A Russian dollhouse.

I didn't mean Russian dollhouse. It's Russian... Well, they or make them. It just all the way down to a trailer. What do I mean? A Russian doll. Russian doll. Russian doll.

A little nesting doll. Where they live. Russian... They live in a Russian dollhouse. They live in a Russian trailer that is inside a house that is inside a Russian McMansion. So, but yeah, like it's

the grainy shit. Like, it takes forever to get out and, like, I'll end up swallowing that shit. Well, you swallow way more tobacco, too, with regular dip. Like, inevitably. No matter what you're trying to do, one way or the other, you're going to inevitably swallow more tobacco. Sure. You have to get used to that, period.

Like, and it takes a lot of time. Yeah, and I don't want to do that. Snus, I want to use snus just for my cravings. And then when I decide I want to get off those, I'm going to go to the fucking Nicorette patch, and then hopefully it'll be nothing. But, like, I'm just, I've tried to do this so many times that I'm not even going I'm not stupid enough to be like, no, I just fuck it.

Like, it don't work. Cold turkey. It may for some people, and you may be out there, and you may be just a better person than me. But, like, I tried cold turkey once. I made it four months, and then I went back to smoking even more than I smoked before. Cold turkey is totally fine for me if I am also not drinking.

Right. I can go, I can go days weeks without a cigarette or a juice, any nicotine of any kind, if I'm also completely sober that whole time. But the second. Yeah. I drink a beer. Yeah, right.

The minute it crosses my lips, I get just a fucking insatiable craving for nicotine. And that's always been my number one problem. My dad started chewing at 10. He started drinking heavily at about 13 or 14. Was he chew? He chewed Red Man. Yeah. We had a bunch of Red Man tens.

I don't know what Mom did with them. I bet they were probably worth $3. But anyway. I don't know. Some of them at antique stores. He, you might be right. He quit drinking. old turkey.

Hey, do they still make Red Man? Yeah. Oh, hell yeah. It's one of them companies just like, say something.

Oh, we dare you to ask us to change our name. No. It ain't happened. I didn't even consider that. We are Red Man. Yeah, for sure.

You know what I mean? Like, there ain't no way that company gives a fuck. Dude, you know what, man? I haven't even considered that that's what it was in a very long time.

The fucking pouches used to be. I don't know if they still are. No, it was a fucking Indian right on. Indian looking all Indian. Well, I haven't seen the pouch in a

very long time, but like red man just, it just is what... Like red ass? Yeah, like it just is in my head and I forgot that it was... No, no, no. It's the red man. The only person I know that that still chews pretty heavy is Robbie's dad Big Rob and he's a Levi-Garrett man, so I haven't seen the Big Red in a while.

Right. Liva Garrett's racist too. The person. Right. Of course. Yeah. Anyway, he quit drinking cold turkey and he said it was hard. He quit chewing cold turkey about three years later. and was physically ill, like shitting himself and stuff like that for seven days.

You know, it's... Well, you know, I'm like... And I know different people have different experiences, but you just made me think of the fact that... The only two drugs that you can actually kill yourself by quitting cold turkey are booze and... Bar-Bettles. Benzos, right? Yeah. The thing that Zanix...

The thing that's not heroin. Bino die as a pound. Uh-uh. Mm-hmm. It won't kill... The withdrawals won't kill you. The only two that can kill you is alcohol. Yeah.

You will want to kill your fucking self, like 100%. But like, no, like literal. Like with Xanax, it could just be as much as it triggers a seizure and you fucking die. Like, it's pretty nuts. But with alcohol, like when you are a certain type of alcoholic, you almost, like, what do they? Yeah, it looks like Red Man's still around. But this Red Man trucker hat's $35. We had 30 of those.

Does that have the trucker have have the Indian on it? Yeah. and a fish. I only say that because you can get Dukes of Hazard stuff without the General E without the Rebel flag on the General Lee and I obviously think they did that for like We'd still like to sell some of this shit

And we know that some of y'all won't buy it for that Because I'd rock a Red Man hat that didn't have the fucking Redface Indian on it Well if I like found out, you know That Indians owned a company They very don't then you know That'd be different too But look Red Man Goldblin

Papal RL chewed at sometimes He probably did it because of race Ain't that always been the whole deal with Florida State's playing on TV right now. They've always been excused, right? Because the Seminole Tribe says it's okay. Officially like endorses it or whatever. We got a black friend, I guess.

And they give a, Florida State gives out scholarships to Seminole Nation kids every year or something like that. Like, so they find. They have a relationship with them. Well, also I think, but there's like a lot of differences. The Seminole is based upon an average. actual model, I think, like, sat for that, or it's based on a real person's picture. His face at least isn't red. I'll say that.

Well, that's what I'm saying. It, like, it looks more realistic. It's not fucking, you know what I'm saying? Obviously, also, I mean, red skin is a straight up literal slur. But it's not just the redskins. It's also the Indians, the Indians. Chief Wahoo looks weird. They're caricatures, so that was a problem.

So the Atlanta Braves have kind of been going through it a little bit this year. Now, I feel like they would be fine if not for a few minor things. They are. And that's the thing. So that's the deal. That's the deal. Everybody's like, look, the fucking Braves, and they don't have like an Indian red face,

and it's just a Tomahawk. All that's fine. But it's the Tomahawk chop. When they score a home runner, whatever, oh, so the Braves, and this is really. It is rad, though. It does sound super rad. It's like the rebel flag.

It's like, God damn, look at it. It's awesome. But like, so what they, what they've been doing is, and this was really funny to me, this year, they said at the beginning, beginning of the year. We're going to try to cut, if all the fans would help us and participate,

we're going to try to start cutting down on the Tomahawk chant. Not, don't do it. It's kind of like Nicorette patches. Can't go cold turkey? No, you can't. They're like, look. Can't call turkey quit racism?

Just like just doing. Yeah, just during hummer. Well, as fans do, they've done it more. Yeah, that checks out. Because they told them not to. Now they're just like, ooh, and it's one of those whole things. That'll fade, though. will fade and I think that there's

probably I don't know man like I want to say like there's more good people that go to baseball games than there are assholes but like I don't really know like I was thinking about that's an old person's game in the right it is like in the like let's say big three like baseball basketball well there's Cleveland Indians right what them where all those fans were standing outside telling those actual

Indians to go fuck themselves and making fun of them and shit outside of the stadium white people were walking past literal Native Americans like fuck you I'm one 16th chair key, suck my dick, goddamn Indian. Like, I'm literally quoting, I think, word for words. And that was the Cleveland Indians. That was the Cleveland Indians. That was the Cleveland accent.

I used to try to do a joke about this as far as museums. It never worked out because it's so many people sad. But what's weird about it, the whole thing is you got Spartans, you got, you know, and I know that I'm not treading new ground here. This has been said before. But like, well, like, take a museum. If you can go visit yourself as a museum. display, there art not be a museum display.

What do you mean? We murdered most of them. Hold on, right. But some of them are still alive and it weren't that long ago. Okay, but... True. I don't know. That feels like you're saying...

Well, actually... We did do that. That very don't hit. That's terrible. But like, it should be commemorated in some way. Yeah, but it ain't like a Native American museum that... I mean, there are Native American museums that commemorate what has. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about a display. I mean, you don't think it'd be weird for, like, if you, to take your eight, seven, your kid, if, like, your people had been eradicated and then you took them to a museum and not a Native American museum, just a museum. And a piece of it was, oh, and here's pictures of our ancestors. And they're talking about them in an anthropological way, as if they're dead when they're not.

Well, if they are saying, if they are saying, like, there's none of these left, that would be weird. But that's part of, that's part of. Like slavery museums. Like that's... I feel like what you're arguing for is like a racing history. No. No, come on. That's like that argument about getting rid of the statues. No, because that's celebrating that shit.

But that's what I'm saying. If you have a museum and you've got all these cultures that are no longer here, it feels like celebration. You're dunking on people. Like, it's like, look, it's a fucking trophy case. I just... I think it would be worse not to bring... it up at all.

Like if you just were like, we're not going to talk about the trail of tears. But they're not, like, there's sometimes in those displays, there is like a plaque about the trail of tears. Right. Like,

and I agree, we should talk about that. But like, then have a Native American history museum. Like, do they not? Yeah, but if you go to an American history museum,

and there's no Indian shit in there anyway, that feels weird and wrong to me. Because that is American history. That don't make no sense. Yeah, okay, but I'm saying that part of colonialismization is making people in the museum piece.

Right. Right. That ain't a thing they do. Right. Well, at the very least we or ask them, like, you're saying don't erase it from history. I hear you, but like it's our history. We're the ones making that museum. Yeah.

I mean, and that part's starting to change. They are starting to like have a Native American person come in and like help with a display. Yeah. If you go back like to the 90s, the person making it was an anthropologist who was a white dude who studied at Harvard. And I'm not saying erase the history. Like, you're right. You don't want to just pretend it didn't happen.

That's terrible. But it's just a part of colonialism. It's like, look, here's the Africans we conquered. Look, here's the Hispanic people we conquered. And here's the Indian we conquered. No, that's true. But that shit all already happened, and it wasn't ever cool on the part of the fucking colonizers. Yeah, it's definitely about the phrasing in that situation.

But it did all happen. And if you have a history museum, you need to cover all of that shit. But I guess what I'm saying is a big part of the quote, quote, history museum apparatus is colonial. Like it's a huge, it's what we do. We go into a place, we take all their shit, then we put it behind a trophy case and go, look what we did.

And I realize as that's evolved over time, that nerds who genuinely love history and or genuinely love Native American history have changed that, but it has to at least be a part of the conversation, I think, and that's not just me to be trying to be woke, it's weird. Like, if I was standing in a museum looking at that shit and I just turned to my right,

and there was clearly a Native American person there, it'd be like, in my head I'd at least be like, man, I really hope that whoever made this display did it right. You know what I'm saying? 100% for sure. But I also feel like if I was in an American History Museum with a Native American and we walked through the whole thing and there wasn't no goddamn mention of Native Americans at all,

I'd probably feel weirder. Although in that moment looking at all that, it would be like, and I mean, I fuck with museums, you know, a fairer, And I feel like museums... What do I just started screaming? They do commemorate all that... This bloody history.

I mean, you're right. And they are, in a way, they are fucking trophy cases. But, like... You see what a joke didn't work? In my experience, the people in the museums and the way they operate the museums are all pretty, like, you know, respectful and, like, reverential and stuff.

And I guess what I'm saying is it's really hard to be... Like, represent a culture accurately. as opposed to, it's not like the fucking Cleveland Indians logo, welcomes you to the museum, hands you a foam tomahawk. Right. And I guess, you know, welcome to the Indian wing. Free corn after the left turn. Right, yeah.

Yeah, like, that would be real fucked up. Yeah, right. The thing I just said. I'm making a joke. I guess what I'm saying is being respectful and reverential is a lot easier with Spartans, I think. Yeah. That's ancient. We're not connected to them.

Then it is when the very existence of the museum and your place at it is completely dependent upon murdering those people and taking their land. And no museum says that, hey, we murdered these people and took their land. It'd be funny if you were just at a museum and you were looking at like some ancient Roman shit

and you looked beside you and there was just a Spartan saying there crying. I was just sitting there crying. I'm just sitting there like, I guess I'm wrong. But like you just said no museum says, hey, we murdered these people and took their land. And like, I mean, that is literally true, but it's not, at least in my recollection, in my experience, it's not like the civil war was if you grew up in the South. Like, I knew about the Trail of Tears.

I knew about Andrews. Like, I knew about us coming and forcing them off of their land and the fucking smallpox blankets and all that fucked up. I mean, I learned about all that shit. Right. You know. Which is another weird thing, how we learned, I mean, I'm learned way more about the pain of the Native Americans than I did the slaves. And I think it's because they weren't many of them around. I literally think it was like, it's easier for us to talk about that because there's none of them in the classroom.

No, that's 100% man. Like when our. Well, also just the whole, in the South, especially the like the whole thing of having their own different narrative about the whole. civil war and slavery in the first place. Right. So, just to be clear, I think you're completely right, as I'm thinking about it. Like, you don't want to go, it would be so much weirder if you went into a museum of American history

and that weren't there. Right. But it's always felt like a trophy case to me. Yeah. And I mean, it kind of and it kind of. It's right. It is. Fucking rab. Put it behind glass. I mean, it is. Yeah, I don't disagree with that at all. I just, I guess that's better than not. When I was trying

when I was trying to do the joke, I was like, and this is a first place trophy and this the first place trophy and here's a first place now this is a second place trophy France came in first on that one nice yeah so people that hated it but you're right you can't erase it right but

there are like in New York there is a Native American history museum and it's pretty fucking rad do y'all think that the Redskins or change their name? Yeah absolutely. Do you think they ever will? No well yes ever yeah absolutely yes I think when he sells the team whoever does a big campaign buy it that'll be part of their campaign to be allowed to buy it yeah but you know that dude is

like 43 or something right yeah it might be in 40 years he bought that he bought them he was a dot com boom guy who got out at the right time and he bought the redskins when he was like fucking 31 or 32 years old so he's like not even 50 yet so like unless unless unless unless unless unless he does some don't startling shit which he might because that motherfucker dan snider is a maniac yeah he's crazy horrible maybe like a mistress of murder but unless well dude but here's the thing y'all y'all y'all even remember It wasn't that long ago. The fucking cheerleader thing that he did?

No. No. He made their cheerleaders go on this, like, retreat to some Caribbean island, and there were all these, like, billionaire buddies of his who were down there, essentially, like. Like, trying to escort them out or something? Pretty much. They didn't, they didn't literally have to, like, prostitute themselves to these billionaires.

But it was the implication. But he, like, provided the Washington Redskins cheerleaders at this party for all his billionaire buddies in the Caribbean. And people found out about it. And this was, like, not that long ago, like I said, like right around the time of Me Too, all that shit, and like,

it just kind of went away, which blew my mind. But like, I'm saying he's going to have to do some real fucked up shit for the NFL to ever actually take that team from him. And if they don't take that team from him, he's probably going to own it for like another half a century. 40 more years,

like a long time. Do you think, I know this probably ain't how these people operate, but like eventually he'll just get sick of having to deal with it? No. And on the other hand, if he changes it, then he has to deal with a whole other type of thing, which is the shitty people. Oh, he's been a colossal asshole about the whole thing so far. He don't even seem close to considering changing it.

It's wild to think, and I think about shit like this a lot in terms of like sexism, racism, homophobia, just like the hierarchy and the way those things move. It's wild to think that Donald Sterling said, I don't want you hanging out with black people. Actually, he didn't even say that. He said rappers. No, he said, it's fine if you hang out with them. Right. Don't bring them to my games. Right.

And don't be putting them on Instagram and stuff. Right, right, right. Don't flaunt it. It's like, if you want to be out there doing all that, that's fine. He said that. That was the thing he said and it got recorded. That was the, I'm fine with gay people just don't do it around me. Whereas Daniel Snyder made a group of women go to an island where they were clearly in fucking danger.

I know. Because, dude. That's what I'm saying. It's, it's, it's It's, it's a specific type of sexism. Those were, you know, their thoughts, they're bimbos. Those are pretty women. And, like, they're just not better hate.

Even the fucking feminist movement is looking at those broads. I promise you, this is what's happening. A big section of the feminist movement is inside, like subconsciously going, women like that deserve it. Well, right, they're cheerleaders. Right. They don't represent us anyways. They never wanted to be part of the feminist movement.

That's what Carmen was saying on the fucking podcast. That's what Dolly, that's what fucking Dolly Park was saying. I mean, that whole, like, you know, like, I don't consider myself a modern feminist in the way that you say, because those type of people, in my experience, looked at me as a bleached blonde, big-titted bimbo piece of trash and never wanted to help me. It was always... But see, but that's putting it all on now. Like, I just want to be clear. I don't necessarily agree with all of that.

Well, whether it's true. That's her experience. Whether it's true or not, I'm, like, I'm not blaming what happened with those cheerleaders and the fact that no one cared on the feminist movement. Because when did the NFL give a fuck about that? the feminist movement. Of course not. I was saying that... Mike got swept under. It was allowed to get swept under because no one was raw-on because of that, but it got swept

number in the first place because the NFL doesn't give a fuck. No, the NFL is horrific. But on the other end of that spectrum, though, is that the NBA is very, very black, you know, that's true. Like appropriately so in a good way, but like black culture is very intrinsically interwoven into what they... Yeah, they were going to lose money. And what the NBA is and the specific thing that he did.

in the specific league that he did it was just like you can have that shit. And as you said in the NFL, shit on women. Women in the NFL, they don't give a fuck about women. They'll let you punch them. And keep playing. You can beat the fuck out of them and keep playing. So like honestly, going to an island, that seems like the best case scenario for a woman in the fucking NFL. Well, she could probably fight a billionaire or two.

She can't fight a goddamn linebacker. Sure. If Harry Connick Jr. had done it, you know, it'd be like, oh, he's got a lot of women fans. Man, he is like Frank Sinatra. the dolly thing though you're all talking about from that radio lab series which i haven't listened to yet but i did i listened to it i heard the quote you're talking about and it sounds like where you saw it they did not include the fact that later in the episode so it was wild he asked her do you consider yourself a feminist and you could like hear her physically recoil at it like the word disgusted her

kind of and then she went into that whole explanation y'all just laid out later on in the episode though and I can't remember now and I don't want to butcher it, but the interviewer like reframed the question to be like, would you say it's fair to say then that you, you know, have always tried to represent the plights of women and whatever. Like he put it in a different terms without saying the word feminist. Yeah. And she was like, yeah, well, if you put it that way,

then I mean, yes, I would agree with that. And I do, you know, I do consider myself, you know, active in that way or whatever. She kind of sort of, she didn't like backpedal on it, but what I'm saying is, if you just take the first quote completely out of context, it sounds like she's just like hardcore adamantly, like against the whole notion of it. And that's not really exactly how the whole conversation played out. I hear you, because there's probably, not that long ago, honestly, if you'd ask me like, do you, hey, Corey, do you consider yourself a Democrat? I would have been like, well, no, hell no. I don't consider myself aligned to any particular party.

think the two-party system at whole is bullshit and it's what's holding us back in this country. And I could see myself blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But then if they reframed it and said, all right, let me go down the line here. You believe in this, this, this, this, this and this. I'd be like, yeah, and they're like, we're a fucking Democrat. And I go, yeah, you're right. Actually, I am a Democrat. It's just that the word sort of used to make me recoil because I didn't want to consider myself fucking anything because there were shitty Democrats who, you know, probably looked at Dolly Parton the way that she said feminists did.

But, like, when did that change? because you know that it changed because like feminists nowadays they all adore her like everybody on earth adores her but like i believe that that was her experience i know that she's telling the truth probably the gay movement but like at what point did that flip for them so due to modern technology and since we are in this space let's hear from a woman uh we have a fan and a certain and someone i'm a fan of i told her we were going to read this thread on the podcast and then you forgot and but now you're doing it all right rachel who is a professor, I don't know if we should say her last name, maybe we should. I'm always, I always feel weird about that. She said this is fine. All right, she's a teacher at the University of Tennessee, and she went viral. I think Sheriff Smarsh retweeted it. Anyway, here's the thread. Listening to the end of Dolly Parton's America, let me tell you, I'm not shocked or angry. Dolly vehemently rejects feminism. Here's why. My great-grandmother would run a man over with her thunderbird for looking at her the wrong way.

She wore her long hair of faux paul for old ladies in the South and wore red lipstick and dresses to church. She kept marbles in socks inside her purse and kept she needed a whoop and ass that day. She kept baseball bats behind every door in her house and she hated men. Men wrong, my great grandmother, her entire life. Her husband and dad were alcoholic. She got pregnant at 15th and gave birth in a field when she didn't even know how babies were born. She didn't have the patience for men. She divorced her husband in the 40s, red a big-ass deal in the 1940s south,

and married an Italian-looking guy. named Cotton just to piss her husband off. Hell yeah. When he straightened up and dried out... When he straightened up and dried out, she remarried him. My great-grandmother didn't finish middle school. She worked hard. I don't even know what job she had because they were probably considered too meaningless

for my family's collective memory. Feminism in the 1970s did not care about my grandmother. Detested her, actually. She was poor. She had big boobs and big hair. She didn't go to college and she didn't want a corporate job. If you ask my great-grandmother what she thought about feminism, she'd probably think about the horn-rimmed glass college girls in Florence

that looked at her like she was trash. And she'd tell those women to go fuck themselves. They never worked like her. They theorized. Dolly Parton has no patience for feminism because of how feminist treated her. She was a makeup wearing bimbo that objectified her own body. She doesn't know, and I can't say this word, it's French, Sizu.

She has no serious contributions, quote-unquote, serious contributions to feminist discourse or corporate takeovers. Classism is rampant in third-wave feminism. It was worse in second wave when Dolly faced ridicule for coming from the holler and looking like a beautiful decorated Christmas tree. Feminism has come a long way. But Dolly's generation of poor women who have superficial, in quotes, interests, were deeply hurt by their exclusion and ridicule from the movement. I ain't mad she said she's not a feminist. I just wish she would point out that the problem is wealthy white women.

women who work, who didn't go to college, who have kids to feed and a bitch and husband. So do not give a fine shit about your subaltern communities of transnational power usurpation. And I don't blame those women. A feminism that doesn't include poor women is a joke. And Dolly knows that. This is the last tweet. Dolly knows that even if she says she ain't a feminist because feminism means hating men. When women say that, they're often pointing out,

pointing, excuse me, when women say that, they're often pointing to the fact that feminism neglects class struggles which men and laborers go through to. So, Sarah Smarsh rightly pointed out, the part of us that gets mad when clearly feminist women say they aren't feminist is the part of us that got to go to college, the part that is privileged enough to theorize. I asked her if she would come on the podcast and talk about that, and she said no, because when I'm recorded, I sound like a fan. female boomhauer. That makes me even more upset. I know. It would have hit so hard to hear that red as a female boomhauer, but that was great. That was great.

If we could, though, I'd like to go back to speaking for women, if that's all right. No, it just made me think that, like, one thing that Katie gets upset about a lot. Kirby does too. I know what you're about to say. Is that, like, Katie feels like feminist today, like the current iterations of feminists, you know, look down on her because she actually raises her children. children or whatever, which I do think is fucking bullshit and a shitty attitude to have. Because, like, somebody, like, having kids, it's better for the kids. Any kind of study or anything will tell you.

It's better for the kids to have at least like one parent to not be in some kind of caretaker situation for fucking 11 hours a day. And some people can't do that shit. Do you know anyone who would argue with that, though? Most people can't do that. Most people can't because they're not, because the way America works now, you got to fucking work two jobs. both parents have to work. They've got to work multiple jobs. And that fucking sucks.

I'm not judging the people that do that. I'm saying like, we're lucky to be able to not do that. And the fact that Katie is able to do that, but still feels like she gets looked down upon by feminists or whatever for that is fucked up. Kirby feels the same way my sister. I've talked to her before. And it was kind of similar to like the Dolly thing where we were talking one day.

And I was just like, I mean, do you not consider yourself a feminist? And she gave a pretty similar answer. which was like, you know, I chose to stay home and take care of my daughter. And I want to, she's like, I genuinely want to be a homemaker and stay at home. And like, I take pride in that. Like, I love cooking for my husband. I love doing the laundry.

And she don't, she can't love none of this too much because she's not fucking great at it. I love you, Kirby. But all I'm saying is, is that she's like, I want to do those things. Like, I'm not doing it because, like, my husband's like, by God, the woman stays at home. Like, he doesn't feel that way at all. but she wants to do it. And she's like, to me, I should be, like, feminism should be like,

fuck yeah, I can do whatever I want, and I don't feel that that's the narrative. That's how she feels. I'm sure they don't all feel that way, obviously. Of course not. That's generalized. I mean, I think the modern iteration of it is cognizant of that and has worked pretty hard to change that narrative.

But A, that narrative was earned in the time period of Dali and later. And then B, that narrative was used, frankly, by, you know, the first wave of anti-feminism to paint, feminism into a corner. That feminist had earned, I think. Sure, sure, sure. At that time. What I just said is the argument that people

use against, like, all they want to do is they actually bash women more than fucking I hear you. Yeah. Right, which again, I'm just repeating a thing that my wife has said to me about it. No, I'm certain literal human beings have made both of those women feel that way. There's a reason Kirby feel that way. I'm

only stating that I think it's been recognized, generally speaking and I think people are working on it but that also goes back to something we've talked about in terms of the South, something we talk about in terms of racism something we talk about in right versus left, we all keep getting

known for our assholes and social media is making it so much worse I mean I know that everyone's complaining about how social media is driving us apart but I do feel like one reason that is the case for that and not a lot of people are talking about it is if you're an asshole about how you

feel you get pushed to the floor front. Or if you're loud, I should say. Not even an asshole, just loud. I have conservative buddies who think Ben Shapiro's the biggest fucking, don't work on earth. And he's like, he don't speak for me. The reasonable opinions and takes are not interesting. Of course not. So like, that don't make headlines. Right. People don't parrot, though. And also, like, dude, I kind of think, I agree with you completely, but I know for a fact that I'm guilty of it. I think it's like human nature, kind of,

because, like, I mean, we do that same exact thing with like. We're the loudest. No, I'm talking about us. as a group in the opposite direction. Sure, sure. We do the same exact thing with rich people or people from California or whatever. I'm just saying, like, they're not like, dude, being completely honest, I talk about the people in California that I run into that I can tell, think that, you know, think my accent is fucking silly or fake or whatever. That does happen. It's a boring story.

That does happen a lot, but most of the people I run into like it, like, like it. Yeah, yeah, sure. I mean, I found that in New York. I find that it's either. cute or interests or different or whatever and not in a bad way but i only talk about the shitty ones because those are funny or whatever else but like i just think that everybody kind of does that in all directions and it is shitty to defend you when i came home from people when i came home from new york the first time everybody wanted to know about the pricks in new york and like how shitty they were to me

and i was like man i'll be honest with you i'm sure that exists but in my experience and granted i hang out mostly in queens but everyone's been really awesome to me and they take my accent is something that's cool and they want to know more about me instead of just laughing at me. And as soon as I'd say that, they would just be like, oh. Because I didn't what they wanted to hear. They wanted to hear the fucking gnarly shit. They were there for the goddamn drama. That's how we are as fucking people. That's my soap operas

worked so well. Yeah, but I think the way you fight that is to not overreact to the assholes. Right. And to, I mean, dude, a conversation I got into on Twitter with Christopher Moore where, as the conversation

progressed, he and I were both proven right by different people. And it was super weird. I guess some people who are really into Bernie Sanders have been super shitty to him. And I just... Christopher? Yeah. Christopher Moore, a friend of the podcast, four or five episodes back, by all his books. And I just reached, I had retweeted something someone said.

And then he was essentially arguing with that tweet, but to me. And I was like, yeah, I totally believe you. I believe someone was shitty to you. I don't think that's a reason to vote. The person that you retweeted was one of the paper? No, no, no, no, no. Okay. The tweet that I retweeted was something along the lines of, it was like a sarcastic tweet.

It was like, I believed in single-payer health care, and until someone claiming to be a Bernie Sanders fan was mean to me online, and now I don't believe in it anymore. Oh, okay. And I retweeted it. It was sarcasm because I was like, yes, I feel that. I believe people in the name of Bernie Sanders are being shitty online. That don't mean he's shitty. I mean, that's happened to me before. Right.

I brought that up in the conversation. with him and then some people were shitty to him one in particular who when I said okay you're being a fucking douche right now said you know what you're right my bad but then other people were arguing with him just like well not arguing with him they were like all right so do you like his policies or not like you know aside from that and I'm not trying to put Chris on front street he expressed himself very well in that and you know he has his feelings and his political beliefs and he's entitled to him my only point with this is that happened the other day that's why I brought it up I am working on

not letting assholes speak on behalf of an entire group anymore. And, like, it's easy for me when my aunt is, like, kind of conservative, but I know she's a sweetheart. Right. And I go, oh, I can do it there. It's harder on the Internet, but I'm going to try to not do that anymore. Exactly. So not everyone who's a dickhead Bernie Sanders supporter, you know, that doesn't mean that's how all Bernie supporters are. Not everyone who supports, I don't know, well, fuck it.

Donald Trump is a horrible fucking person. although at this point we've got to be dwindling them down. Donald Trump in particular, but I do know, I do have some... Well, then it's his policies. It's the things he's doing.

His policies are bad. And if you like what he's doing... Right. His policies weren't just so aboard, but he just was still the same way, I'd be like, okay, whatever. But that's not the case. Take politics out of it.

You know, dude... All right, let me think of an example. Fuck it. I can't believe we're getting into this again. Well, what you're saying... Taylor Swift fans are some of the fucking biggest responders like one of the funniest ones they did

Chris Rock, Chris Rock, Kid Rock, shit on Taylor Swift. Complete opposite. And or actually I can't believe, wait, this might have been Beyonce fans. Was it the Rock? No, it was Kid Rock. But I can't remember it was Taylor Swift fans or Beyonce fans.

Either way, this is funny, but this is how intense these people are. He, he, shit on them. And now every day, they comment on his Instagram post. They did this for like a year. They would flood his Instagram with Beyonce memes and shit like that.

Beyonce's got the Beehive. And that's a real fucking thing. There's a few of those fan bases that do shit. I know believers do that shit. Lady Gaga's fans did a whole online smear campaign against Venom, the movie. Right. A Star is Born came out the same time Venom did. Right.

And that's... Like that type of shit. That's insane. That's crazy. It's crazy. It's completely crazy. That's religion. That's literally religion.

Cult of personality. But that has so little to do with reality. Do you know what I mean? And that's where social media... And that's the thing that you need to... And it's fucking difficult to look at a conservative on social media and go like, all right, let me treat this person as if I knew them instead of just.

Because like, I've got buddies who are conservative. And like when I'm online, I look at the Donald Trump thing. I go, God damn it, man. At this point, all conservatives are just fucking huge pieces of shit.

Then when I go home, I'm hanging out with someone. I'm like, they're fucking not. Like, not even at all pieces of shit. And I like them and they're super redeemable. But if I see somebody who just kind of think some of the same things they do online,

I, yeah, I have to like remove myself from a computer before I get banned from Twitter for half the shit I'm about to say. Another thing I'll say about conservatives in general. They don't hit. Wait, sorry. The TV just distracting me.

Y'all got to watch this fucking play. I don't even know what I just saw. That was rad. It was a great interception. What about conservatives? Conservatives are very good at using what we're talking about against us, though. Like respectability politics. Yeah, right.

And, you know, shaming, you know, it's like waiting, being passive-aggressive, douchebats. and then as soon as we call them out on it, then they're like, see, you can't even talk to these people. Yeah, right. And I hate that, and I'm sensitive to it, because I watch them use that against black people, trans people. Like, you know what I mean? They pick their battles, and it makes me fucking sick.

And so it's like, the other side of this coin is, I'm going, I'm trying to be this way online. I'm trying to go, you know what? I'm not going to judge every group by the worst versions of that group. I've got to stop doing that. I'm guilty of it. The other thing that I'm trying to do is, just always fucking tell the truth and stand behind it and don't ever apologize for it when you do

fuck them you know what i mean if they're going to try to use it against me i don't give a fuck dude your opinion don't matter to me anymore i just told the truth you were being a dickhead i'm not saying every trump fan's a dickhead you're a fucking dickhead you're a fucking be mad at be mad at racism itself don't just go well this guy's a conservative and he's a racist therefore the problem is conservatives no the problem is fucking racism and that's what i should be mad at and when i say he's racist and he's a conservative there you go there's the connecting point. Now I'm not even solving anything because every conservative that's not

a racist goes, well, goddamn, I can't even I don't even want to talk to you because you're just going to think I'm a fucking racist for no goddamn reason. And it's truly magic when someone can navigate that exact thing online or in politics in general. AOC's great at it. What's that name, Andrew?

He ran for Governor of Florida and he just barely lost. Young black guy. He was phenomenal at it. You know, that guy would, his opponent would try to bait him, Andrew Gillibner. And he lost. Andrew Gilliland. Gillibrand. Gillibrand.

No, I feel like Kristen Gillibrand is who I'm thinking of. Anyway, he was so good at it during that campaign where the dude would try to bait him into either apologizing or being a huge dick and he would do neither. He would just repeat his truth, you know? Yeah, and he lost. Barely. Right. That was good. Yeah, I mean, yeah.

And who knows? It's Florida. He probably got cheated out of it. For sure. And, I mean, that was his first go at it. He's young, right? Yeah. Yeah, I want him to run for president.

For sure. I really did. Let me ask you guys this. Yeah. When are y'all going to just like completely unplug and just live in the woods? There's a, there's a dollar amount. I'm not going to say what it is. But like there's a dollar amount where like I'll still come into town and vote for what I think is right, but I ain't getting on the goddamn internet.

No, man, I like, I like Netflix and Uber eats too much. Okay. When he says the woods, bring some chicken to my house. I interpret that. to my house turn on Netflix. I interpret that as his version of the woods is his version of just unplugging freedom, fuck everything.

He literally means the woods. I know he means the woods, but what I'm saying is like my version of running into the woods would just be like having my house be just a compound where like my family, I've got a bunch of money, my family just hangs out there. I create my own little bubble.

I'm still fucking living in Georgia. I don't get on fucking Twitter and see what all bad things are happening. That's fucking dangerous. And that is what happens to people when they get a lot of goddamn money. That's clearly what. what the fuck happened to Kanye.

He truly don't believe that there's a lot of fucking problems in his community anymore because to him, his community has gotten this fucking big. And he's like, what? Nobody's racist to me. Donald Trump let me in his goddamn house. So like, but like I said, I'm going to do that shit. But I'll still go vote. And I'll still be like, all right, who said that gays are cool?

I'll go vote for that shit. But like, yeah, I can see myself getting to a point where I'm like, you know what? I've only got this one goddamn life. And if I can just be happy, then I'm going to do it. On that note, talking about Kanye and the lack of perspective. perspective and all this. It's something I wanted to bring up. Kanye's mentally ill, though.

Yes. Like, he's like mentally ill. For sure. But anyway, you're talking about his lack of perspective because of the world he's lived in for so long. That reminded me of something I wanted to bring up. We don't have to go fully into it. But we recently cursed LeBron James.

Oh, God, we did. We had a whole conversation about how. He's never done anything wrong. Amazing he was because he's never had any, like, genuine, like, scandals. Like, the decision was a thing, but that was just, that was totally sports-based. It wasn't a thing about his, him as a person or anything. Like, he's allowed. to go to Miami.

Who gives a shit? Married his high school, sweetheart, by all accounts, good dad, all this stuff. It's like, it's crazy

that an athlete on that level could have, you know, done that for this long without anything happening. And then at this point, it's just never going to happen.

And then less than a month, less than a couple weeks, after we said that, he had this whole China thing where he basically, you know, sided with China versus Hong Kong because of money.

I mean, pretty much. That's the only reason. oversimplified version of it, but I mean, it is the truth. He, you know, he wants that China money for Space Jam, too, and the NBA makes a lot of money in general in China. So, like, but that's still, like, my thing with it is, like, he didn't have to say anything.

He's still going to get money. Like, even if you do feel that way, okay. Nobody has leverage over LeBron James. No. But he, you know, instead, he did. And the one thing I has it about it is, much the internet has like like roasted his ass since then like uh making memes like of lebrun as miles a dong like with that like you know bald horseshoe haircut and like the chinese

uh uniform owner whatever and then uh that's all one where they photoshoped so the current president in china the joke on the internet is that he looks like winnie the poo so they photoshop and he kind of does makes him furious too that's why people get that's why people keep going with it because he can't stand it. But anyway, so somebody photoshopped a picture of LeBron on all fours on a basketball court like this and they photoshopped Winnie the Pooh and a sickle

and what's it called the hook and sickle? The communism sign, yeah, the hammer and a hammer and sickle. With a hammer and sickle on the, on Winnie the Pooh's shirt, butt fucking LeBron James been over on the court of it. Like that type of shit. So I mean, you know, the internet, as always.

Coming through. Coming through. But, yeah, it was just, you know, pretty disappointing. And I feel, for me personally, I don't really feel like there's any way to spend it other than, I mean, he just keeps being LeBron and keeps hitting on the court and all that. It'll be fine in the long run, but it was a pretty massive fuck-up in my opinion. I'm pretty heartbroken, honestly, because I, like, I wasn't as bothered by the

decision as you. I mean, it was a massive fuck-up and it was a dushy thing, but he also gave a ton of money to kids that day. He was also way younger back then. Right, right. He was real young when that happened. And to be clear, when I say it was a fuck-up, I just mean the way he announced the way he handled it.

Yeah. But, I mean, I hated it at the time, looking back on it. Yeah, whatever. It don't even make a blip on the radar of shit that happened. It was not a big deal. As a sports fan at the time, I did not like it. I defended it at the time saying, this don't hit, but come on. You know, like, if this is the worst thing he ever does, he's basically Jesus.

Because he's had so much privilege and ability to do whatever he wants. Not as a younger man, but as he got into being a man, pretty early in his life, he could do whatever he wanted to do. Yeah. And by virtue of that, him not being a shithead was so impressive to me. And I loved watching him play basketball. I mean, real basketball heads, no, he's a great fucking player. The only people who don't buy into it are Kobe Bryant stands. Yes, idiots.

Exactly. We said the same thing. No, I know. We did. And for the record, I love Kobe. He's one of the 15 or so best players ever. But, um, ooh. But.

I love Kobe Bryant. I think that he's been corrupted by a desire. Or. for money and power. Okay. What you said was he's been able to, from a very young age, do whatever he wants. It is starting to seem like what he wanted the whole time and wants is to not only be the greatest basketball player had ever lived. Obviously he wants that and he's done a great job on that front, but also be like a mogul and an empire or, you know, have an empire.

But it seemed like part of the reason he wanted that. Be a billionaire. Yes. Yes. But part of the reason it seemed like, and he stated, frankly, that part of the reason he wanted. wanted that was to show, you know, black kids in America that you can do it, A, and B, to give back to his community. I mean, he's built so many schools, et cetera, et cetera. And I'm not saying that I was naive enough to believe that there weren't, there wasn't some greed or some power

hunger and stuff in there. It felt like, and clearly I am naive to have thought this in retrospect, it felt like he not only wanted to do it, he wanted to do it on his own terms and that his terms were terms that I could generally get behind. And you can say well okay Drew he did that his whole career and now he makes one mistake. To me it's pretty fucking egregious. It is egregious. Because if you're showing those kids that a black man

in America can do that but you can only do that by selling out to fucking human rights abusers or whatever. Like then that's still not a good message to say right. Yeah exactly. Like if you got to sell your soul to be able to accomplish that whether you're black or white or whatever

the only argument. And to accomplish what to become an extra fucking millionaire? Like, it's not like, oh, if I don't do this shit, it's all going to start crumbling down in fucking front of me. Like, it's literally just great.

The only argument that's, I guess, not swayed me, but that I'm like, all right, that's something I hadn't thought of and it's a fair point. And this is not in any way to defend him. It's sort of to make the stance I'm taking look silly

is this. Okay, so the dude who sells sneakers made by kids in China, you're suddenly, shocked that he won't stand against him. Like, his whole career he's been selling out for a human rights of abuse situation because

that's Nike's whole business model is to have labor so cheap made in places where the working conditions are born. And I realize how easy it is for me to say this, talking onto a microphone that was probably made with technology mind. You know what I'm saying? At the very least, the fucking phone got iPhones.

It was made in Germany. Yes. They ain't never done anything bad. But at the very least, yeah, right. That's all right. At the very least a fucking phone in my hand. But, you know, the counter to that is, what choice did he have? Genuinely, as a young 18, 19-year-old entering the NBA, he lives in a capitalistic society that he has no power to change. And also, like we were saying, he could have just not said anything.

Like, to me, everything you just said, that's ultimately way, way, way more on Nike than it is on any of the athletes who are with Nike. But, like, this thing, though, he could have just not said anything, and it would have been, because nothing would have changed about everything you just said that still all would have remained true, but like the fact that he came out like and just laid it all out there like that.

This is one of those situations where, like, you should have just shut up and dribbled. Right. Honestly. Yeah, that's the irony of the whole thing. As shitty as that sounds like, in this one situation, it's like, ugh. Like, right, like you said,

like it wouldn't have heard him to say nothing. I have to disagree. And the reason I have to disagree is... You're saying there was just so much pressure that they were like, you got to say something, man. No, what I was going to say. is you can't say you should shut up and dribble

to every time an athlete says something you don't like. I know. And then be, so like, what he should have done was stood with the people of Hong Kong. Yes, right. Yeah, actually, yes, you're right. You're right. And he didn't.

In this situation, saying nothing would have been better than not. Okay, but another thing about, yeah, you're right. Well, for him. For him. Another thing I'll say about that, I don't want people to shut up and dribble. And this is like that Pat and Oswald joke about how, like, we get rid of the N-word.

We don't know who the racists are. anymore. Right. I love it's Roy Wood Jr. That's Roy talking about Rebel flags and gas stations. Patton was talking about how you get mad at some guy who's,

it was actually the word, the F word. But anyway, what was I saying? I don't fucking know. I'm like kind of glad to know that. I'm kind of glad to know that I know this about LeBron.

There's a part of me that's like, okay, I know that about it now. I could have been left in the dark and it'd been okay, I think. I hear what you're saying. Like I want to,

you know, like at least now we know we know where everybody stands. One thing that is wild about the whole deal was like just as far as LeBron the persona or the brand

or whatever like I can't think what we're I was saying this the other day to y'all off mic I can't think of any other like major athletic superstar that's gone through like multiple face and heel turns it's crazy this that's not normally how it goes it's normally like either people hate them or they love them

and maybe they'll have one shift in opinion in the course of their career. And that's normally, that's about it. LeBron has been beloved, reviled, beloved, and now reviled again. And I'm sure he'll get back to beloved again too. And that's pretty wild.

Dennis Rodman has been straight down the fairway pretty much the whole time. That people have hated him for different reasons. Right. But it's always been he was kind of a fucking hill. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, you're right. And yeah, it's fucking, it is.

I can't think of anybody else that's been like that. I know you disagree with me, but I still stand by him on Broadway, Joe, is the closest thing. He shipped it a few times. I just feel like he was a version of what Corey is saying, I mean, like he was always polarizing.

Like, the people that hated that he did, they hated him the whole time. And then other people were like, I don't think that's entirely true. I think that the New York Jets were super into him, and then some people who remained into him, but some people jumped shit when he started dressing like a woman and shit like that.

then he became that guy. I just thought he came out the gate like that. I mean, he kind of did, but, I mean, that wasn't year one because he was a nobody until he won that Super Bowl. When he called that shit, which is awesome. Joe Namath was considered a mediocre quarterback for his first few years in the league. New Yorkers liked him because he was tough and he was brash and he's guaranteeing victories. He wins.

Now he's launching a superstardom. He's got this huge fan base. Then he starts dressing like a woman, a woman. Some of them turn on him. But then, as that kind of thing gets more accepted and he becomes an announcer, he's got this later part of his career where he's beloved again and then he tries to molest Susie Culber.

But I agree with you that he was a polarizing guy and he just said I would like to kiss you. That's a little bit different than... Yeah, he didn't literally try. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I meant to say harass. Yeah, he said I'd like to kiss you. And I mean, don't him wrong, he ought not said that, but like... Yeah, he didn't grab her fucking face or nothing.

He just was wrong, he said a thing he felt. Joe, I was something I want to... Did he do it on TV? Yeah, on camera? Literally, she was interviewing him and he was hammered. You know, I have seen it. I'm saying like, that's a little different than just he said a thing he felt. No, no, I know.

But she was trying to ask, she asked him some question. He was so visibly fucking. Hammered, John. He didn't hear the question. He just goes, I'd like to kiss you right now. Right. I'm saying that in the context of you're doing an interview, that's a little different than just saying how you feel at a bar. I agree.

I'm just saying like, when that happened, it was kind of a big deal. Because she was, she had to, you know what I mean? Like, in a bar, she can be like, yes, no, get the fuck away from me. But on TV, she had to be like, Yeah, no, I'm just saying that even in the context of that, it wasn't that bad. Like the Musburger thing I didn't think was too fucking rough for what it was. What did he do? He was, uh, yeah, he, he just said that.

He was the quarterback. It was John, it was Alabama's quarterback. AJ McCarran. Was it AJ McCarran? It was his girlfriend? It was his girlfriend? We'll say it was it don't fucking matter. She was like Miss Alabama or whatever.

Right. And they were in a game and they just panned over to her. her and he goes, oh, I'll tell you what, that AJ McCarron's a lucky man. Any boys at home, go outside and start practicing football, because that's what can happen for you. He called a woman pretty. I mean, you know, he was old and it sounded old and creepy, but, like, again, with some of the shit that you hear, it's like, all right.

We didn't get in that bad of trouble for that, did he? Man, I mean, he's still, he still works. He still works. He's the Oakland Raiders radio guy. Oh, he got fired? It just, he was already, look, he was already old, and it was like his time was coming up. Did he get fired that year?

He didn't get fired that year. He didn't get fired immediately. But when that happened, it just kind of was like, they started reevalued me. Like, do we really need brunasper? You know what I mean? Wash now. I'm just saying. But that's like you made a mistake as an announcer.

Your job is an announcer. Yeah. I don't know. If you got fired the next day, I would be like, that's a total overreaction. Yeah, I agree. It sounds like people are like, oh, he's old. Yeah. Right, he is.

And old people do be giving fire for being old. And I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but it'll be happening. I mean, they get fired for doing an old thing, not just their age. And everybody. everybody's like, oh, that's ageism. It's like, no, it's just that sometimes when you get old, you be doing stupid shit. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, I mean, you're done.

You're supposed to die. You're supposed to. We live too long now. We got pills that, like, used to, right before you started saying stupid shit. You died. Actually, back in those days, you just stayed saying stupid shit. But, like, you'd fucking check out and it'd be okay. Yeah.

But now you take a couple pills, and now we're finding out what 80 looks like to hear. I don't want to be 80 in this computer, whatever fucking world we're going to have. I don't want to do that. I do just because the thing is is that, like, for the 80-year-olds, it's just like, all right, whatever. Yeah, because they also don't get a fight. They don't give a fuck. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like, it kind of be fun. Like, that's the one moment you get to sit down and just be like, all right, that's true retirement. Like, I've worked my ass off. I've been a good person. And you know what?

Cracks knuckles. Let it rip, bitch. And you're not being a bad person because it's not you're saying things you don't believe in. It's just that the things you believe in don't hit for people anymore. Right. You're trying yourself. It's either Daniel Toss or... Damn it, you've changed my whole life.

Now I have to live. It's either Daniel Toss or Nick Swordson won. I had a pretty famous bit about that, like, back in the, like, when they were on the come up, about, like, when you get to be old and you can just do whatever the fuck you want. It was Swartz and I think. Who's about farting and shit? I was just like stealing candy bars at the gas station. I was like, hey, you just steal that.

It's like, I'm old. Oh, you're right. I'm sorry. My bad. Talk about, like, how cool it would be if you, you know, you had to tell somebody your grandfather died. He's like, oh, what happens? Is it? cancer or whatever.

He was like, no, I flipped his vet. Yeah. It was a whole long bit that was funny. I just those are the only parts of it I can remember. We're about to be finishing up here. There's one thing I have to ask Cho before we go this week because I saw this the other day and I was like, I wonder if he knows that. Like, you're the one person in my life who I think even might know this. But if you don't, I won't be surprised and it don't reflect poorly on you either.

I'm sure it does somehow. Do you know the Pillsbury Doe Boys real name? I'm certain I've heard it at one point in my life, but no, actually, I don't know. Popping fresh. That's stupid. Popping Fresh. That's just where everybody calls him the Pillsbury Doe Boy. Right.

No, I didn't know that at all. Popping Fresh. It sounds like he's going to have like a mixed type. I was his original name? Yeah. Because that sounds like a very like, okay. Fellow kids thing. They're going to rebrand him.

Like, hey, fellow kids. Yeah. You know who's real hip? Popping fresh. Yeah. Pillsbury. boy we've done that we need to sell cookies and millennials no that ain't pillsbury doughboy that's poppin. That's popping fresh like that's his rebrand. No I didn't know that shit at all. He does hit

for me very hard. And I have one of my favorite shirts that I have is a Pillsbury doughboy shirt and would you like to know the sad irony of that being my favorite shirt? It's too small for you now I fatted myself out of it. And what's funny is like when I wear it now because I wear it around the house sometimes it's one of those shirts that like it is too small for me but it's still kind of comfortable, you know, but my belly hangs out the bottom. And like, there's no better shirt for your belly to hang out the bottom of than a goddamn purple Pillsbury doughboy shirt. Boy, ain't that the truth.

Yeah. So, I mean, it still hits to wear around the house, but I don't hit. I've lost a couple pounds the past couple weeks. I might, I might be able to. I know you and at least, I was about to say, no, not that one. No, that's new. He's talking about a different one. Like, he owns multiple Pillsbury doughboy.

That's the Pillsbury Throw. Yeah. Which I bought out of respect from my mask when he passed away. Jared Lorenzen, former quarterback who could. Kentucky Super Bowl winner at the New York Giants. Rest in peace. Hefty left. The Pillsbury throw boy.

The abominable throw man. He ruled a lot. He was a big fat quarterback and he was awesome. During what I could, like, that was my favorite era of college football. Like it was just such, I was still playing football. You know what I'm saying? So like Fridays you played and then Saturday you woke up and watched your game on the local thing and then it was time for college football.

Couldn't have been a better time for me. He's coughed on my leg. Jared Lorenzen was a huge part of that. Today was the first day in a very long time that I missed playing football. Really? Yeah. Because God, I haven't missed playing since the last down of the last fucking game, I don't think.

Yeah, and I think that's me too. I have no idea. I was watching football while working out. I was running, so it wasn't like I was pumping weights. But I was running and I was watching. And I've been watching all day, which I don't do much anymore. I usually just watch for an hour and then go away. If George is off, I rarely watch hardly watch hardly anything.

And I don't know, man. It's also kind of cool here in Charlotte. There's no fall in L.A. It's kind of cool here in Charlotte. It's a little fall e. I don't know. I just was watching it, and I was like, God damn, I miss football.

Then I was like, what? I don't ever miss football. I fucking hated football by the end. Do you feel like you're in, like, you're starting to get in pretty good shape because you have been working out a good bit lately? I mean, I got outrun Tom Cruise, if that's what you're getting at.

But, no, I can't play football. Do you know how hard it is to play football? I don't mean, like, actual competitive impasse. football. I'm talking about like, you know, rec league, like flag. Which, yes, by the way, still is very goddamn hard. I've played flag. Actually, maybe I was supposed to when you're

and I didn't. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'll play flag. Hold on, no. Air. I'm not going to do that. The Pillsbury Doe Boy was created by Rudy Purrs, a copywriter for Pillsbury's long time advertising agency. Perz was sitting in his kitchen in the spring of 1965 under pressure to create an ad campaign for Pillsbury's refrigerated dough product line. His copywriter, Carol Williams,

imagined a living dough boy popping out of a Pillsbury Crescent Rolls Can and wrote the campaign quote, say hello to popping fresh dough. So like, and I'm going to read more and I was about to say, but what's funny is it sounds to me like she did it. She created it.

How was this not an episode of Madman? It's kind of a shit load of Madman was this. Well, he paid her to do it. That was Don's that was always his argument. The Pillsbury Doe Boy was created by Rudy Purrs, right? That's the first line. Period. Period.

And then they go on to talk about, he didn't do shit. But anyway, originally named Jonathan Pillsbury. Johnny Pills. I knew a couple of them. The doughboy was given a scarf, a chef's hat, and two big blue eyes to distinguish him from the rolls, as well as a blush and a soft, warm chuckle when poked in the stomach. Let's see here. Perz originally conceived

that Doe Boy is an animated figure but changed his mind after seeing a stop motion titling sequence and opening credits of the Dinah Shore show the first Popping Fresh commercials aired in November

1965. Since then, Pillsbury has used Popping Fresh and more than 600 commercials for more than 50 of its products. But like what's weird is in everything I just read they had that slogan in there

it says say hello to Popping Fresh Doe. It says say hello to Popping Fresh Doe but then it just says originally named Jonathan Pillsbury and other than that they just call him the Doughboy or the Pillsbury Doughboy. Where did you read that? If you look it up Pilbary D'Bow boy, it says Poppins

Fresh, more widely known as the Pillsbury Doe Boy. So clearly that is his name. That was like his working title. That didn't really clear that up for me very much. Right. Johnny Pills. I'm calling him Johnny Pills. They said say hello to

Popp and Fresh Doe was the slogan that went along with him when they created him. But they didn't say that that became his name though. Maybe when they said say hello to Popping Fresh. Since that was a new concept, everyone just thought that was his fucking name and started calling him Popping Fresh. I like that little Popping Fresh, that fat one. I bet women loved him because he looked like a little boy.

Well, yeah, right. Yeah, I was going to say, that's his whole, like, have you always been a big fan of the Pillsbury Doe Boy? Like, from day one. Let me tell you something. So every year, my birthday, my birthday. dinner is the exact same. It's never changed. We added an item, but it's never changed.

Otherwise, it's chicken casserole, okay. It's cremaged spinach, mashed potatoes. Okay. And crescent rolls. And then a coconut cake. Is that what you added? No, no, I think we added, we now have

macaroni and cheese. We ended up adding macaroni and cheese because Kirby always wanted it. How that started was for my Kirby for his ass eating macaroni. No, no, no, I like Macaroni. But the reason it became a tradition, I didn't ask for it the first time. What happened was when I was eight years old, my dad took me to Hooters.

Yeah, took me to Hooters for my birthday. Made my mom furious. And she was like, next year we're eating at the house. I didn't ask. See, your mom is a feminist. Yeah. So she just made, that's the dinner that she made. And then I'm a dude who likes tradition.

So I was like, next year I want the same thing. Macaroni just wasn't on it. I probably ate macaroni later that day. Then Kirby wouldn't eat shit except macaroni. So that was it. but it to this day has to be she tried one time to be like oh i forgot to go get the crescent rolls i'll just make cornbread and i was like you're gonna get your ass back to the store and get crescent rolls it has to be the pillsberry doughboy crescent rolls they hit so goddamn hard they're unbelievable

since my man's was eight tray what's your birthday meal uh oh yeah you have to have a mom yeah yeah exactly no no because my i didn't figure out my dad when did you find out that you had a birthday this is pretty this is pretty raving and that you're right and that you're allowed to eat a whole meal. This is pre-raven because this was very fancy, like, you know, by our standards. Yeah. My dad always, my birthday every year, my dad took me to Red Lobster. Hell yeah.

That's the, uh, that's the, uh, probably, you know, until I was teenage. Do you have a tradition now? No, no, dude, I don't even really celebrate my birthday at all. I don't get to ever, it's rare that I get to do it on my actual birthday. There was from 21 to like 28. I wasn't even home for it, but we would always just celebrate it like the, you know, Friday before, whatever the fuck. I mean, dude, my mom.

that meal and it's my favorite thing about my birthday is that I could nothing else if we just have that meal and no don't even talk about my birthday other than that that's all I fucking want. My mom's obviously a sweetheart but yeah I can like come home a month after my birthday and she can be like oh we're having your birthday dinner it's it's a barbecue chicken uh on the grill that my dad makes and then she makes potato salad and then we have a salad and then we'll either have mac and cheese or uh some other cheese based situation. A little bit of dessert. Cheesecake.

Hell yeah. My birthday. My birthday is not December 11th. The canned strawberry. Not fresh strawberry. My birthday isn't December 11th. My birthday is whatever day we can have that meal on. That's the day.

That is my birthday. Well, that was a sweet way to end the podcast. End of the Ibisket's coming out. Sorry, tonight. Yeah. What, five days? This is coming out Wednesday? What day is Wednesday?

I don't know. By the time you hear this, End of the Abisket's coming out tomorrow. Wednesday is the 30. So by the time you hear this podcast, End of the Abisket, the first episode would be coming out the next day. Yeah, and I'll probably drop part of it in the well-red feed. Yeah, yeah, we'll put

a teaser up. And, uh, yeah. All right, well, we love you all and come see us on the road. Wellredadcom. W-E-L-R-E-D comedy.com for tickets. I only got a handful of dates left, and then it's on to 2020, where the world's going to catch on fire, and we're all going to explode and die. Yep.

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