wellRED podcast - #184 - Talkin Bout Gods w/ Guest Co-Host Tushar Singh!

Episode Date: September 2, 2020

This week, good buddy galore and fellow comedian Tushar Singh fills in for the CHO to talk about Gods, cultural appropriation, and moving back to Huntsville, AL during the pandemic.

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It's actually... That's high. It's funny here with Tuchar instead of me. He's just better. He's funnier. It's nice to be able to listen to a podcast and not have to, like, hear my own goddamn voice. So this is a really good one.

And enjoy it, and I will see you guys next week. Watch my barbecue show. They're the... They care. Way, next that makes some people upset. They got three big old dicks that you can suck. Well, here we are. are fellers.

Got a different feller with us, though. At present, the show is not with us. I mean, I assume he's still alive. He's just laid up at a cabin somewhere doing his white man thing, I guess. I don't know, really. You're celebrating my birthday. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I don't know what he's actually doing because he's being cagey about it, I feel like.

I mean, he told us he wasn't going to be able to do the podcast, which is fine. We, you know, that happens with all three of us sometimes. But I asked him like, you know, what should I tell everybody

what you're doing? And he said, tell him I'm sequestered in the West Wing. He wouldn't, uh, no, he does it a lot.

He likes it when you provide an air of mystery to the fans. And he now has learned that the only way to get you to do that is to not tell you. Because in the past,

he would tell you what he was doing or me, but then try to say, say this, say I'm this, that. And we didn't. We just told him

what he was doing. Of course not. I'm not. that shit? Right. So now he went up a level. Yeah. He doesn't tell you what he's going to tell me now.

I'm pretty sure him and Robbie and their lady's just got a cabin for the weekend. Yeah. He's reading by a creek. So anyway, but not and fret not, because we've got a massive improvement in the third co-host arena is here tonight with us for this edition is Tooshar Singh, friend of the podcast and friend of us in person. Two-Shar's been on a couple times. before.

The original Indian outlaw. The original Indian outlaw. Yeah. Two sure is the first ever break a law. Can you drop that Indian outlaw?

If I had been in post, yeah, we'll tell Corey to do it in post as the intro. He'll not, but that would be, it would hit if he did. Yeah, if y'all have ever seen us,

Tushar does shows with us on the road a lot. And what we, before one of the, of the first ones, I don't even remember how it got brought up, but one or all three of us were like, it would be funny if you went up to, if your walk-up music was the seminal 90s country smash hit, Indian outlaw by Tim McGraw, which we've talked about here on the podcast for, it's hilarious how racist it is, but it's racist towards Native American Indians, but it's just absurd and was a smash hit in the 90s.

There's no, like, there might be one or two racist lyrics, but you can't point to a lyric and say, that is a racist statement. But what you can do is look at the song in a hole and go, so a white man claims to be all of these things that are impossible to be. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you can be half Cherokee and Choctaw,

but if you are, then you probably wouldn't be in a teepee, which I'm pretty sure is not something either of those two groups. Well, he also, like, talks about the squalls lining up for him and like fucking, you know, shit about web walms and tepees and stuff. That's what I'm saying. He just mixes all these, you know. He just uses a bunch of Indian words.

Yeah, I think it was either a stand-up live or Zanis. One of the things I was guessing. I think it was Oxford. Weren't you with us in Oxford? Yeah. It was Oxford, Mississippi at the lyric was. It was the first one. And I think, Tushar, I was hammered.

And me and you were back there talking. and I think you didn't say I should come up to Indian Outlaw. You said something about an Indian Outlaw, and me or Corey was like you should come up to that. No, I think, no, it was, I remember, I don't know where it was, but the sound person or person running the sound was like, what's your cue music? And you guys went all through your music.

And then they asked me, and I was like, I don't know. And then I think it was, I think it was Drew, who was like, you should do Indian Outlaw. And it was like a unanimous, like, yeah. I remember that too. I don't, and thank you for the credit, but I'm 99% sure that it was on my mind because you had talked about it, but I could be wrong. I didn't know the music. I was about to say, as I recall, when this first came up, Tuchard didn't even really know what that song was, if he knew what it was at all.

All right. And now that is my, he didn't push me to take credit for a racist joke. Now that is my go-to opening music, no matter if I'm opening for you guys or any. anywhere else. Well, and it's really great. It's wonderful, but here's what is also funny. But see, like, he loves it. It's funny. He's into it. He was in no way coerced, but every single show, every single show. Every single show does with us. He goes up to Indian Outlaw, and the first thing he says is that we won't allow him to do stand up on our show unless he walks out to Indian Outlaw. which is also hilarious, but he never clarifies to the audience that that is a joke.

It is not true. By the way, have we told this exact story on this podcast? Probably. I think so. When I was a guest and Trey, you couldn't make it. That's how that was in. Oh, Trey wasn't there that time. That's why you-

Oh, okay. Well, in your defense, I didn't stop you till now. I was like, wait a minute. Well, you know, it hits every time. It's great because it plays and then I let it play out for a second. I don't just start talking. I just kind of dancing a little bit. Yeah.

It's just, it's really good, especially for southern audiences. I can't wait until next time you're like, they also make me dance. That dance I did, they told me how to do that. You're like fucking doing some really offensive, you know, slap in your mouth. Where are you at? They make me make it rain later after the show. Where are you at right now, Tojar? I'm in my childhood home.

In my childhood room in Huntsville. Alabama running out the COVID life with my mom. Did you, but did you, I mean, you know, for whatever reason there's, if you don't want to get into the specifics, that's fine. But you know, most you had recently, you live in New York. Yeah. Did you like want to get the fuck out of New York because of this situation or was it because of your mama and Alabama or what, like, well, when this, when this shit show hit, uh,

In March, I basically immediately left from, I lived in Manhattan. I had a one bedroom in the Lower East Side, and I immediately went to Princeton, where my sister lives. I was there for like four months. And yeah, I was just like, I can't live in the city. It's just strange. And then about a month ago, I moved out because it just doesn't make sense to live in a city where I don't have to go into my daytime job. And most of the shit is kind of closed or just in the process of. trying to reopen.

Yeah, man, me and Andy talked recently, and we are about to head to Tennessee. We're going to drive, but like, I don't know. We love our apartment. We love it. And I am coming back to L.A. But like, I don't know why I stayed here all here. But I got really money and anything else, you know. Like, I've seen Trey and our buddy Mark four times.

I'm driven up and down the coast a couple of times for fun, but I could have went on road trips from Tennessee. to camping and shit like that. I don't know why. You did the right move. Yeah. I did lose four months of rent, which is crazy. But New York did open up and basically all the restaurants are now on the street. And that is really cool. Like it's just a cool vibe to walk around the city.

They're all like the parking lots and the spaces in front of the restaurants are open. And it's just like it feels like a European situation. Yeah. That's a German like thing. They, that's how they're doing it out here too. But kind of right after that started, there was like a multiple week, massive heat wave. So it's like was fucking 100 degrees during the day. So I feel like a lot of people weren't fucking with all that. But they, the restaurants out here have the shit set up outside too.

I also like, I, um, very, very like casual when the ship first went down, And it was just like a three sentence exchange with me and Katie where I was like, do you think we should get the fuck out of here? You know, and we've decided like, no, because, you know, I don't know, it seems naive. It was naive, but like, looking back on it now, but at the time, I very much thought I really did. I was like, oh, it'll, you know, a couple of months. Yeah, yeah, a couple three months, whatever, it'll blow over. No reason to uproot ourselves or whatever now.

And also we got the kids and they're in school and everything. So it definitely would have had to have been a conversation. But it has definitely, and now school has started back, we're kind of pot committed at this point. But it has definitely occurred to me before. Like, if I had known or if I had really understood and marched the extent to which this would all play out like this, you know, like I might have considered moving back home too. Just because like there's no reason, there's really no reason to be here or to be in New York or whatever. and it's so fucking expensive and everything. Are your kids distance learning or are they?

Yeah, they are. Yeah. Well, that's another thing too. Like, again, I didn't know any of this at the time. But if I did move back home, they probably wouldn't be. Like,

those schools would be like opened back up because they, you know, that's how they are. And I don't want to just. Home school them? No. No.

Couldn't you have kept them at Walt Disney Elementary? No, I don't think they, I don't think they roll with that. I mean, I could a lot, you mean like lied? Like not tell them. Not even lie. Just don't tell them. Were you planning on moving back in your mind in the scenario?

No, I'm saying I never actually got to the point of thinking all this through. I'm just saying like in retrospect, I might have seriously considered it. And if I, if we would have done it, I definitely would have just pulled them out of school and put them in. I wouldn't even had to pull them out of school. School effectively ended, you know, and then it was the summer. And they would just now be going to school and Putnam County probably is where we would have gone, I guess. Or I don't know. But anyway, it doesn't matter because we did.

I mean, yeah, kids, that's the whole, I don't have any of that. I just didn't want to do it. Well, again, I really like my house. But I'm on, I'm essentially on a month to month now. So there was no reason for me not to do it. Right. And I didn't do it. So wait, are you saying right now that you are about to?

to move, y'all are about to move back. That's what you're doing? No, but I've thought about it. And I'm thinking, because now my thinking is January, February, it'll be fine. If I'm going to come back in January, February, it's worth it to me to keep this apartment. Well, it's a house. This house that I love that's cheap, you know, that's worth it to me. But if it lasts another fucking six months or whatever, and then I'm going to be in the same boat.

Well, what, Tushar, what are you, are you just, you're just going to ride it? it out there with your mama in Huntsville until it is over and then decide at that point what to do or what I mean my mental game plan is I'm going to wait till the election and see the real repercussions of like what it what moving to a city like New York actually feels like and then I think I mean I've been watching at apartments a lot um and there's a there's a lot of inventory meaning like every day there's updated with my settings like a bunch of new apartments show up which means a shitload of people are moving yeah which means at some point it's going to be like is it worth to come back when December's a good time to move anyways I I don't know

it's just like a big big question mark but luckily my sister's up in Princeton so I have a like a base up there if I if I want to well but they just got a dog so I want to go back there I'll even more you just got a dog My sister just got a baby golden retriever. Well, how about that? What's its name? Sunny. Sunny Singh.

Sunny Singh. I like it. That sounds like a 17-year-old YouTube star who pretends to be 11 for three years and makes millions of dollars. But for now, Tushar, you are in Alabama. Now, you're in Huntsville, Alabama, but I would love to know. So my in-laws are just over that part of the Alabama border in Tennessee in a little tiny town called Waynesboro, and it's a fucking nightmare there.

I just mean in general, like before COVID, it's a nightmare there. But it's especially a nightmare there now. But, you know, you're in a city. But her sister and all her kids and stuff, her sister's kids, my niece's nephews and whatnot, they live in Florence, Alabama, which is up there in the North Park, that general, region. So I get kind of reports from them, but that whole area is like more rural. And it sounds pretty shitty. But like how is how's Huntsville? Do you ever get out or do you try to

just stay in as much as possible? Well, things. I try to get out as much I can. But like my, the city has basically closes at 11. So like no late night hangs and things are only up until 1.30 anyway. So that takes about a couple hours off the party vibe at night. Otherwise, like, you know, stand-up live is open, but socially distance, capped at 150, so half the capacity. And but if you drive around during the day, like, it looks like nothing is closed. Like, things are packed. It's just business as usual. I'd say when I first got here, there was like 10% of people didn't have masks on.

And now it's like way more. Now it's like people are just like, fuck it. Like I could feel the vibe. But a lot of stores are official. like you have to enter with a mask and all those things. But I went into a BP the other day or some gas station and like I was the only one with a mask on. There's like nine people, two employees, no one had a mask.

And I look like, I don't know if they're a racist or I just didn't have a mask on or both. It's both. Yeah. It felt real weird to be like, do you guys, none of you care? There's a kid there too. It's like, yeah. Yeah. My buddy's back where I'm from.

which again much more rural but like they've been a couple of them have had people like start shit with them at a gas station because they had a mask on like they were the only ones there with a mask on and people like you know well my mask was a hijab right yeah the full turban of a job i don't know it was weird well what about what about let's talk about stand up live for a minute or just any club because like so We were supposed to, again, we postponed a lot of shows at the very beginning of pandemic, and a few of them got postponed for late July and early August. And again, in March, all three of us and our agent, we were all very much like,

oh, end of July, like, it'll be fine by then. Like, that won't be a problem. But then it got closer. And like our fan base, everything being what it is, i.e., you know, pretty liberal. A lot of them, you know, of an age that is, you know, dangerous. for COVID or whatever, we just didn't feel right doing it. So we had to cancel them again, which was fine with the clubs understood and all that stuff. But we're in a position where, like, I don't know, unless something significant changes,

I can't imagine us going back, like, on the road or whatnot. So I forget, or I don't think about the fact that, like, a lot of clubs are open. I was texting a buddy mine who was just a comedy off Broadway and, Lexington this past weekend, which one of my favorite clubs. And it was just weird. In my head, I was like, shit, I don't, like, in my mind, they're all still closed, but they're not. So, like, what's it like in there? You know, like, you said it's socially distant, like, I don't know.

Just tell me about it, because I'm very curious. Well, down in the south, so Huntsville, and, you know, the, they've done, you know, the staff has masks on the whole time. the tables, there's no tables in between tables. So now there's like a lot of just space between tables. They could still pack a lot. I mean, these are big, relatively big rooms. But yeah, I mean, as far as the comedy, how you feel on stage, like, it's, you don't get that, you still can get big laughs and all that stuff, but just the density of the laughs aren't there as much just naturally. Yeah. But once you, a few minutes in and you get over in your head, like,

it doesn't feel that much different. It just seems like a kind of a light room compared to what it could be. But having said, yeah. And the silences are pretty rough. But then New York Comedy Club, for example, has adapted, and New York has adapted to do rooftop shows and outdoor. There's not much of that going on, at least in Huntsville. It's all more socially distanced, it hasn't, like, adapted to outdoor.

but I know a lot of clubs and venues and shows have kind of gone to parks and parking lots and driving kind of setups. I haven't done any of those shows because it seems pretty painful, nor has no one asked me yet. But yeah, it's just a strange film. And I felt rough. Outdoor seems rough to me. Yeah, well, I feel like any comedian knows that, like, generally speaking, you don't want to be outside doing stand-up. And any time that I've done it in the past, and you've done it with me years ago.

Like, it's never been good in my experience. I agree with you, but I do hold out, like, I guess, hope or whatever the right word is. So internet comedy is not something I ever wanted to do, but our internet show not only was good for the fans, we had fun. And I think a part of that is we're all in a different headspace now. So part of me wonders or hopes, if these outdoor shows, at least some of them go well because it's like,

you know, like this is a fucking hot crowd, man. Yeah, like the laughter ain't popping as much, but like they're desperate for any form of fucking entertainment. So because most of my issues with outdoor shows is no one's paying attention, people are walking off, maybe some of that stuff is fixed, but I don't know. I just realized we were talking too sure that I love. Go ahead.

Sorry, what's that? No, go ahead. got a delay. Go ahead, buddy. I was just saying, like, do you think comedy is going to adapt to what, like, the MBA is doing? Like, some version of, like, there's a live component, and then there's a shitload of screens up, and it simulates the idea of the show. I think it was going to anyway, yeah. I don't know.

I've definitely thought about that because there's, I mean, that's happening. When we did our online show, first of all, I realized after I said something a ago, I should give a disclaimer, we did a major outdoor show at the Tell You Ride Bluegrass Festival, and that was, a shitload of fun. But generally speaking, other than that, and obviously that's a very different situation. That's a big-ass festival. But anyway, you know, there are people, when we

did our online show, we briefly not too seriously considered, you've seen that setup where, I can't remember what it's called, but like a comedian goes into a studio and they're, it's like the situation at the NBA games, except much smaller.

They're on like a round stage with a microphone and it's a stage in a sound studio and they're surrounded by a video bank of all these screens and it's like same thing yeah have you seen that i haven't seen that is it is a thing and it's out here they may have one in new york too they may have multiple ones but they're the made the main one that i was aware of is out here it's in the valley it's not far from me at all and it seems like that would be fun and i'm sure that is fun but i don't know if as far as like a paradigm shift into that sort of thing in the future, I don't know, I'm skeptical.

Like, I don't know, I don't think, because it's not the same. Like, to me, from the perspective of the audience, I don't know how it could seem that much different than it seemed to them watching the version we did, which was just like a Zoom show. And if it doesn't, then I don't think they're going to, people are down with that right now because of the situation.

I think when this finally does go back to normal, I don't think people will want to, fuck with that kind of thing anymore. But I mean, I think some people will prefer it. I think a lot of people won't want to fuck with it. And live comedy will be reborn to a certain extent or whatever. But I think in general, we're going that way, period, with or without COVID. I don't know how long it would take.

To me, everything you're saying, Trey, I agree with you. But like, people said it about film. And I realize that's different. But like, it'll take some time. But, like, it is definitely going there. People want to be entertaining in their homes. For sure. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't know. We'll see. What about the, what about like the vibe, Tushar or the material? Like, how much are people, how much are comics talking about COVID and the state of the world? And how much does it seem like audience want to hear that or would rather not hear that or what? I don't, I think it depends on, I haven't seen that much live comedy. Like, the three or four shows that I have done, I'm generally in the green room.

and just kind of listening to see are there laughs or not. I'm not listening to like the material. I think everyone just naturally goes up. Everyone kind of naturally goes up and mentions it, but I don't think they want to hear about it unless you have some kind of great bit. And I don't, I think the idea of working out material has kind of subsided

because the amount of rooms to work stuff out in has kind of gone by-bye, I think. Like there's, like open mics and stuff like, I don't know, but it feels like there's a certain amount of distension in the room. Like if you don't get them, there's a lot of shit going in the audiences and the comics head and trying to work out what is happening. And I've done three shows.

One was great. It was like I did featured. I did half an hour and it was amazing. It's like I was comfortable. People were kind of laughing. And then I did another show. And it's and I, and I lost him within a first minute,

and I just misjudged him, but not because it was COVID, but I just misjudged the audience of what material to do. Jesus, Jared. Yeah, I did, Jesus. I was told to be squeaky clean. And that was rough for me.

Yeah. But yeah, I know, it's, I think people are amped up and ready to go. You know, Brian Regan's coming. Eddie Griffin's coming here. Like, I'm going to go just watch those whole sets. I just want to see what that even looks like and what they're bringing up. But I think the masters are still masters and they'll figure out how to make this situation

and kind of ignore what's going on and move on into their material. What about dating? Are you getting it in in the time of COVID? Am I getting it in? No, not it's been. I mean, I've either lived in Princeton with my nephews and my family or Huntsville with my mom. But I'm just a bit like. But like without getting in your personal life, like are people swiping? I'm sure they are.

People got to fuck. People are people, people, people be swiping. People be swiping. They're out there. It's, I did have an interesting, I started talking to this one girl, um, right when COVID started, like, at the very beginning. And we talked and we chatted. We started texting and evolved a thing. And then we, at the time when we were supposed to probably go on a first date and have a drink and hang out.

we just did a FaceTime like grab a wine and have a FaceTime and the date the date was like 25 minutes long we both hung up we never text each other back again it's just this understood like okay we it's not it's not there it's just not there it's fine but do you think it may be impossible to answer this but do you think that that would have been the case of you were $65 trade that's for sure right okay right so that implies that yeah you think it was a thing between you and her personally, or are you saying it was the situation? Like if you had been at a restaurant or a bar or whatever, wouldn't have been any better.

Yeah, that's what you think? Or do you think this made it worse? I think, I think chemistry, I mean, it's just hard to get something going remotely over a long period of time. Yeah, man. Yeah. When there's more like window to be like, it's just rough.

I'm going to mail you my dick and you do what you want with it. Like, what? No. just work like that. What about your... Nah, well, no, fuck all that. We ain't got to get into it. We got to get into all that.

Well, I was going to take it back to what we kind of got into before we started recording because I do... Oh, yeah, right. Yes. Yes. I've been going to talk about this on the podcast since I learned about it. Drew got a Nazi haircut that it gave himself. All right.

I gave myself a haircut. It's the Richard Spencer. I realized after, I gave myself the cut, that it was the Richard Spencer. I hadn't thought about him in a long time, which is a good thing. This cut is also picky blunders in reference. Did you think about him?

What's that? He did make the news recently. He was in the news. He endorsed and shit. No, well, he just recently endorsed Joe Biden and Joe Biden. Yeah, but that was just the main fucking headway. Yeah, I know it was, but I'm saying, I'm just saying he came up again recently because of that.

But, yeah, that was the only reason he did it. Fuck Richard Spencer to death. the reason I thought about him in the past two shows he got punched and I liked thinking about that. But the haircut that I have, I went too high up on my fate or whatever, but I was also, I've been watching shows about Vikings

and I wanted to go shorter than I usually do on the site because they look rat as fuck. So I was like, no, this ain't Richard Spencer. This is Vikings. And then it hit me that he was doing that too because, and this is something I only learned about 10 days ago in detail, I didn't know, maybe you guys know, maybe you didn't, that the alt-right and modern Nazis have, like, adopted Vikings as their thing.

I think it's because it's a white culture that goes very far back. Obviously, they won many of their battles, or at least it seems like they did. They don't read. Yeah, a lot of that. I think it's a white culture that, like, pillage. I think it's a white culture that, like, isn't American white culture. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, that's our history.

And it's like, all right, pudgy, Phil. Shut the fuck up. Wait, were Vikings Christian? That's not a thing. No. Well, no, well, they, because I watched the same show, Drew did, and it did hit The Last Kingdom. He watched multiple Viking shows.

I watched The Last Kingdom. I, Drew, I talked to guys like, Katie, you think you could give me that haircut that he's got? Yours is longer on top I know. I know that, yeah, because mine's really long on top. But anyway. Well, it would look ratter, but like less American corporate.

Like, yeah. It would look radical, literally. Like, you would walk through an airport and people would be like, what the fuck? Yes, they would. I couldn't pull that off for sure. But anyway, I know from that show, they, when they came and, like, had their conquest

and the British Isles and whatnot, not a lot of them, a lot of them got converted to Christianity and a lot of them didn't. But some of them did get converted and it was like a whole thing amongst them. But generally speaking, they were, you know, pagan because they had all that Norse shit, you know, Odin and Odin's Raven and Thor and all that type of shit. The reason I learned is that there are, and I don't know if they're like, you know, if they're pagan the way a girl you dated in college was Buddhist. But like a lot of pagan people on like Twitter and TikTok or whatever are furious that racists have co-opted their religion, as they call it.

And I don't want to shit on it. I guess it is a religion. It's just, it's wild to me to just like drum one up out of the fucking woods. You know what I mean? And by the way, Odin is my god. And it's like, even if he was a god, he got his ass kick. But anyway. On that note, kind of, I was like, I was thinking about this while watching that show too.

I was thinking about Odin and Thor and all that type of stuff. and this the first part of this is not a novel thought people have brought it up before but i went to that same process when i was younger of like you know i thought if there was a god it was jesus daddy and he was the only god and that whole thing and now i fell out of that pretty young but still when you learned in like history lessons and stuff about the greeks and the romans and all their gods and the norse gods and things like that and and uh polytheistic cultures and and they're taught as just like, you know, old myths or whatever, and they seem. Oh, yeah.

I feel, yeah, right, yeah, probably, yeah, Hindus. What's up? Shout out. But, like, I feel like your natural inclination, if you're raised monotheistic or in a monotheistic culture is to look at that as like, well, you know, that was silly, old-timey stuff or whatever. But then if you fall out of religion, I think one of the things that occurs to a person eventually is like, oh, that's no. that's no more inherently ridiculous than the opposite.

And further, I feel like really that almost makes a lot more sense. Like if you're just like stepping back from all of it, it feels like it makes more sense to have a God for this and a God for that and a bunch of different gods who do a bunch of different shit rather than just the one guy who does it all. But I don't know. That on a base level I agree with in general.

but what I meant about it being silly is when the religion itself disappears or seem, look, maybe it didn't. Maybe it didn't fucking Norway. There's been people building the Odin temples the whole time and I'm just a fucking asshole American who's ignorant. What I'm saying is like resurrecting one seems extra silly to me.

Yes. Like, wherever you arrive at, it's all silly. But it seems extra silly to like go through the trouble of resurrecting one. when you could just you could just not do any of that. Yeah, no. I mean, I agree with that completely.

Well, I've told you about this. That's how I feel about militant atheists. It's like, you guys won. You like left it behind and you let go of it all. Why are you still meeting each other? Right. They, all right, so, you know, I mean, you know this already

because you've had a lot of experiences with them too. But in my experiences with a lot of militant atheists, and I'm sure this isn't across, the board, but a lot of the ones that I've actually met or talked to about it, it seems like they all have like, you know, scars. Like, like, they had a real tough time with the whole thing, meaning like they were raised, like, really, you know, their mama or dad or both was really hardcore about Jesus and made them feel like, you know, whatever.

I don't know. I mean, hell, you understand the shit more than I do, Drew, being being fucked up by the Lord. That's sort of my point. No, I know. I know. You're kind of my, because I don't. Go but fuck a unicorn.

Right. Stop writing pamphlets. But they're like, like, wounded and scarred from their experience with the Lord. Yes. Go do drugs. You don't need to go to a double tree conference center and read what a fucking British dude had to say and then talk to somebody about it. Yeah.

Like, if, like, if you need to replace it, become a deadhead. Right. Fuck a silly chick. Tushar, what do you think about Lords, the Lord's. Polytheism. Tell us about it. I like the idea of polytheism.

If I had to pick a religion, which I don't have one, I like the idea of that because it's kind of like choose your own adventure. The story is more convoluted. Hinduism has like, yeah, there's many gods, but they're all one godhead. They're all one extensions of this. same being.

I find it funny where you could fragment your prayer into what you want. I find that hilarious. Like, I want to pray to the God of Money because I want that paper. You know, like, that's hilarious to me. Aggressive atheists bother me. Atheists bother me in general. Like, either of you atheists, maybe. I mean, yeah, well, we can get into that.

Drew hates this. Everybody who's on one side of the other hates this, but I mean, I'm an agnostic. Agnostic's the right way to go. See, I'm with you. Ignostic is the only way to go. It's not a side. It's the only one.

We're all agnostic. All of us. So are you, you're a militant agnostic. I know, I agree. But are you further saying so pick aside? Because I feel like that's what you get from both sides. I'm asking you what you believe. I'm asking you in your heart of hearts, what you believe, not how you're going to shape your life.

Oh, okay. Then no, I don't believe. there is a God. But I'm not, I don't call myself an atheist because ultimately I'm like, well, I don't know. And I'm,

to get nerdy about it, it's like, even when you're talking to atheists and some shit, like for all I know, 10,000 years from now, whatever the descendants of human beings look like if they're still alive at that time.

They're going to be robots. Maybe the robots, maybe they create some kind of super sentient, high, ultra-powered AI, that can fucking rend the fabric of space and time and, you know, like go back across the centuries, back and forward, whatever else, across the entire universe or something.

And, like, that is God so much as there's, like, as far as I know, like, I don't know, or an alien race that's doing the same shit. Maybe they did build the pyramids, and they, you know, they shot their sperm on Earth, and there are gods, but they're absent or whatever. I don't know. Like, any of that shit could just as easily be real as any actual religions could be. And I don't believe in any of them. But I'm also like, I mean, I cannot possibly know.

Like, it's too, whatever the answer is, is so far beyond my capacity to understand or any human beings capacity to understand that like I don't fucking know. So to me, agnosticism is like the most logical. stance to take, you know. But again, a lot of people don't like that. A lot of people on both sides really don't like agnosticism because they think that you're like trying to play both sides. But I just, I don't really care that much.

I don't think you're trying to play both sides. I totally respect and I care. But I'm trying to say you're playing both sides. I'm saying that everybody, in my opinion, has an opinion on whether or not there's a higher being. And that to me is what the question is about. Because I just think we're all agnostic. Like, every

atheist in the world, I think most of them if a floating fucking titty came down and was like, I'm God and then somehow proved it by like lifting everybody after. I mean, sure, they might be like, no, there's some scientific explanation, but like they would at least acknowledge, well, that thing's more powerful than me. And if every religious person, if they somehow died for a hundred years, nothing happened. And then we brought them back to life. Most of them, I think, would be like, yeah, I guess there's nothing else, you know, I don't know. Yeah, well. And by the way, I don't think I'm going to wake up after I die, even though.

I'm not an atheist. I don't believe it. If you're framing it that way, if the question is like, what do you, like gun to your head, pick one that you think is the reality. What do you feel?

Then I would, then my answer would be atheism. Like, if I got to pick one, I don't think there is a God. But I'm not going to argue that with people because I don't think you can know. Tushar,

where are you at? I think I'm close to, I'm closer to, I don't know, I'm a little bit more center than you, if I had to pick. Like, I can't say that there's a, I mean, I hate the sentiment of an atheist saying that there's no purpose of anything. That seems ridiculous. But I also, any religion is so tight in its beliefs of specifics and what happens when you die. I've got an argument with Hindus who are super, they believe in reincarnation so hard. that they themselves will be part of the next iteration of their life.

It's just like, oh, no, it seems so hopeful and almost like naive and childlike to just be like, yeah, we're going to come back. And I view religion fundamentally as or any belief system like that as kind of like you broke your leg and you need to like walk again. It's going to help you through the moment to get through hard time. times, but ultimately you need to get off those crutches if you don't need them. Like, it should be treated like that, like therapy almost. It's like a therapeutic thing. But I have members of my own family that are like deeply, like they follow fasting rituals.

They fast on certain days because of the reason, because a certain God is going to, you're going to appease a certain God. And I just, I hate, it makes me so mad when, when like, my own family does this. They won't eat meat on Tuesdays. Wednesday morning, they'll fuck a farm up and eat a chicken and all this stuff. But not Tuesday because that's when, so that just bothers me. There's no logic to their beliefs that go beyond. This is what they told me to do.

So I'm doing it. And everything should be good, right? Right, right? No, it's not, nothing's, we're all going to die and we don't know what's going to happen. And I don't know why we can't be connected with the idea that we don't know. That's what confuses me. Right. Yeah.

Like, I can't live in a Christian's world, but a Christian can certainly live in my world. Right. I can't really live in a Hindu's world, but they can live in my world. Like, it seems hateful almost and isolating. I mean, a lot of them straight up are hateful, you know, a lot of, when I say them, I mean, ultra-religious people, pick your religion. A lot of them are hateful about it, and that's a huge part of what don't have for me. I feel probably stronger, maybe because of my background.

Your Viking background? What's that? Yeah, my Viking background. And I was being raised in a church. So it's annoying to me when you go, what do you believe? And someone goes, well, I'm agnostic. It's like, I didn't ask you what you knew, asked you what you believed. But that's annoying.

It actually makes me angry to a certain extent when somebody says, here's what I know, not what I believe. And that's kind of what I think you're talking about, too short. I can't stand it when people are, I know there's, it's like, no, you don't. You fucking liar. You don't know, I know it in my heart.

Oh, shut the fuck up. You know what, it would, like, try to eat that for a year. Try to eat what you know in your heart. You can't, that's bullshit. Yeah, and I look, as far as the thing you said, too, sure, about, like, there's no purpose, you know, it's all meaningless and we're fucking dirt when we die. So fuck everything.

way. Like, I ain't with, I'm not with none of that at all. Like, I would love, I hope there, and a part of me, even I don't like believe in a God, a part of me does probably because I want to believe in, but I do kind of believe in a some sort of like, I don't know, grander meaning or grander truth or something, but again, I don't know what that is. I can't even begin to, like, define it. But also, like, some atheists, though, have made the argument, and I do, I buy to this or it's like if you don't believe you shouldn't be like that like oh everything is meaningless what you sure the way you should approach it is if you truly believe there's nothing after this and this is the only shot you got then you should want to make the absolute most of

the you know the time you have while you're alive and that that will get shouting at a nun right yeah so don't do that but like you know that would I would align more closer with that But again, I'm not like, I'm just not militant where religion is concerned in any direction. And I never have been. And that also annoys people who are hardcore sometimes. But I just don't like, I cannot make myself care that much about it. If I could interest you two gentlemen into joining the church of the eat fruit and fuck, we meet at music festivals exclusively.

Most of our rules are encapsulated in our title. And by rules, I mean, those are really suggestions more than anything. I just think people should eat fruit and fuck. Well, and then also the same time. Preferably, yeah. Adam and Eve shit. We're not dogmatic about it. But yeah, Adam and Eve, they weren't supposed to eat fruit,

and then they found out they were naked. So this is just me saying, fuck all that. They were supposed to eat the fruit and being naked hips. God damn it. Oh, and another like for like that, I'm going to fuck up what they're actually called. is like Unitarian, Universalist or something like that where it's like it is a church. They have actual church buildings and church services

and it they call themselves a church, but they don't like believe in any of the like specific dogmas or whatever. That also kind of confuses me because it's like, well, that's a club. That's like you're in the Elks club or whatever. But calling it a church, right? Because like otherwise what I don't get. that really. I'm not against it. I'm not like, you know, I'm not automatically against any of them, but I just kind of don't, none of them really like make sense to me at this point. Like,

I'm not so. I couldn't be sold on any of them, I don't think. The one time I get kind of upset, and this might be weird, not weird to bring up, but like whenever I see being in America as a non-white or black person gives the fascinating kind of alien view into the country. and into the people here. And when I see black folk very into Jesus in the Bible, it bothers me so much because of the origin of how that religion was put on them. And I'm like, this is, it just bothers me a lot. I don't want to go too much into the details of why.

I'm certainly not going to comment. so you guys Viking passes but you know what I'm saying what are you doing this is the book that gave these people the power to do the evil shit

that they did for so many years and you're you're still it just like I mean look what the fuck do I know but I feel like when it was thrust upon them you know during slavery and all that when it got it's like

when its roots were real deep Christianity's in this entire country. But like for slaves and whatnot, I feel like it was like, that was literally the only thing they had or were allowed to have, period, at all. And it also was the only thing providing any semblance of like hope or goodness or anything,

anything positive like that at all. The only source of it was the church for them. And so I can understand how it got like deeply, deeply, deeply ingrained. Well, because the truth is... And Trey and I have thought about this before, but I stand by it, and I stand by in both directions in terms of me arguing that religion is not the cause of all evil. It's also not the cause of any good. We wrote those books to justify murder.

murdering people. The books didn't do it. And so when, when, you know, black slaves wrote songs and gathered in churches, they were doing that to have hope. People say, well, religion is evil. Religion is humans. Humans are evil and sometimes they're good. And so I guess to me, I see it and I go, well, they're not trying to honor that. That book was used as justification to do a lot of evil. If you snapped your fingers and got rid of religion, slavery would have still happened. There were just been a different type of book fucking justifying it. So I just see it as them going with what Trey's saying and saying like, I choose that part of it. But I also hear you.

Well, I mean, okay, take there's a certain sect of when India was colonized, there's certain border cities, states that are 90% Christian in India. And it's bizarre because they have the highest literacy rate there, the most peaceful. They export the most beef. Like they eat beef there. So all these things are happening. And that's another one where it's like, you know, your great, great, great grandfather converted because he was given a bag of rice and a pat in the head. And here you are, like full on believing in brown Jesus.

It's just confusing to me where I. I've met Christian Indian people who, like, you can't say, God damn it. Don't say that. Don't say that. It's like, what? That doesn't seem right. None of this seems right. I'm confused.

I just read the book Shogun. Y'all read that book. It's very hugely famous book from like the 70s about Imperial Japan and samurai and shit like that. And the book hits. but like it has to do with your major like plot point in the book is Europeans who are spreading Christianity throughout Japan at that point in time. Later on Japan said, fuck y'all and kicked them out. They actually did that a few times. But the book takes place from one of the periods where they are there with a presence and some of the characters in it are.

And it's a novel. It's not, you know, it's not a historical nonfiction. It's a novel. But still, there were people like that in Japan at the time. some of the characters had been converted and are samurai and all that shit but they're christian samurai and they are like heavily ostracized by the other samurai all the other samurai and the ruling you know the ones with power and stuff are like it don't hit for that jesus does not hit for them right and it's like being a saint being christian as a samurai seems like at least in the book like you know like not a good choice and so i was also thinking

while reading that multiple times, like related to what you were saying, I think anyway, like it's wild to me that that worked on people in certain cultures. You know what I mean? Like it's wild to me that the proselytizing and the missionaries and stuff were effective, almost everywhere they went.

They weren't like completely affected. Obviously, in some places, they crushed it, just took over the whole culture. But I'm saying like there are a lot of societies you can point to where it's like, man, how did they? how did they make any progress, but they did. They're giving now food.

Yeah. That's how that works. Yeah, but then again, again, it's a fucking, it's a work of fiction. But I'm the samurai are like the ruling class. So I'm talking like there's like people with money and power and shit who are converted and have been converted. And I'm talking more about like people like that, which again, like that, that also did happen. But what was going on at the time? Because even if you have money and food,

I mean, dude, this pandemic is going to cause people to seek out more spiritual type things. I mean, it's already doing it to me. Like, I'll openly admit that. I'm not trying to join a church. I'm trying to start one in a church to eat for a fucking fuck. But I feel like that part is a little. So what I'm getting at is, especially back then, a bag of fucking rice, that's a lot of power. And if you're already sort of mystically.

inclined. Like in other words, if you already try to give God or higher being the credit for your prosperity and whatsoever is going on in your region and someone comes in dropping fucking riches and your eyes riches, I could see logically them going, damn, I guess their God is better than our God. I think, yeah, I mean, I think you just nailed it really. I think that is a huge part of it. They came with like trade and power and money. They had so much money and everything. And for like Like armies? People in the ruling. Yeah, boats with cannons and shit, like capabilities that these people had never seen before.

Go gods. Right. Yeah. Go gods. Go, Jesus. They see that shit, I guess. And like you said, it's like, well, apparently their God is real because he's taking care of them or something. Yeah.

I mean, the choices there are, oh, there's no God. It's up to human ingenuity and culture and luck and resources. or since we didn't have the fucking internet and schools and all that shit back then all we had was churches their other choice was to go i think they're gods better than ours i think we should switch gods yeah and i'm not saying that that's look i can't comment on anyone's frustration tushar about people making that decision because it's like you know we want but uh but uh but that frustration, it's almost like, to me, it's almost like, I don't know what the right word is, but it almost implies that you believe in God. I can't believe you guys abandon our thing I don't even believe in.

Right. And then with the Japanese specifically, they had like their other, their religion, it was kind of polytheistic with like kami and spirits and stuff like that they prayed to and whatnot. And then Christianity, whatever,

and they had the whole thing with them, kicking them out, bringing them in or whatnot. But then, In the 40s, we murdered their God. And they just ain't had no gods ever since then. We did. They stopped having sex.

Just took that. They stopped having sex. They stopped spending money. They started, oh, man, what a shit show. That's one of the most haunting things I've ever learned. Like in college, just reading about the entire country, becoming atheist in a one month period

and just like being like, oh man, that's, that's like on an existential level that's really hard in a back here. Yeah, it's fucked up. Lighter topic.

Are we the baddies? Yeah. Yeah, we is. Did we do a bad thing? Did you know that sketch? No. The Mitchell and Webb is a British sketch series and they have a sketch

essentially two Nazis just like having a discussion, just two regular guys. But it's great because, and this kind of goes into Nazi emblems and stuff, my favorite party goes, you know how we got like a skull here right here on a uniform?

Don't you think that's a little bit evil? Yeah. Yeah, those guys, is one Nazi real, like broaching a subject with another Nazi, is like, are we the baddies? I've been thinking. But why skull? It is fucking hilarious.

And this is like just completely shifting gear and tone. But I just, too sharp, your people over there in India when they go on vacation and whatnot, have you ever, you know,

what, you ever fuck with the Maldives or however you say it, the Mald dives, how do you, do you know how I say it? Fuck with as in, do I go there? Have you ever been?

there do you know anything? Like, I, I didn't really know much. Okay. What happened? Nothing happened. I just found out about it. It's for me. I had heard, I had heard of, I had heard them all day. No, just that's for me. No, it's like, they're wild. Break a topic. They're wild. They're like, it's like, you know, like an island nation, but they're not island. They are islands, but they're atolls. You know what atolls are? They're like, It's where the only land is sort of the outside rim of the island. And the entire center part of the island is a lagoon or like water because it's like the crater. Or like a volcano. It is a volcano.

They are a volcano. They're old like, you know, ancestral volcanoes or whatever that are dormant and shit. But so there's very little land at all. And so all the different like little tiny islands are totally separated from. from the other ones, but yet it's this whole big country, but anyway, it's fucking paradise. So, like, people go there for tourism is all their, you know, the bulk of their income and shit. But, like, I just, I don't know.

I've recently just gotten this fascination with, like, really isolated sort of, like, they're not people come there all the time, but I'm saying the idea that people live on these tiny little, like, pieces of land in the middle of the fucking ocean and not, you, and every white man who's ever been successful. Yeah, right. I want to go there. Yeah, I'm looking at these. They got these little huts.

It's pretty. You can fucking get drunk. You can get some slaves, have a good time. Tushar always goes a step. The white person, comedian cannot go with it. You know,

all I know about them is that their mandated religion is Islam. So good luck with that. That's when you visit. A very good point. Yeah, like, if you got, okay, you got a Islamic country that's like the biggest, the big, that's the shit, right, yeah, the, but that the bulk of the economy is tourism, right? And people go in the rich people coming there and spending money to sit on the beach and shit.

Are they not drink? Surely they're drinking. They let them, like, they can't be that hardcore about all that stuff, I would think. Or maybe it's only other Muslims that are coming there? Surely not. Because if so, no, I'm out. I'm out. I'm a need of...

I wish Corey was here. He'd know. Yeah. But yeah. Because I'm in like... In like Dubai and shit like that, you got to... You can't... They don't just have like bars, do.

I mean, they do, but they're like speak eases and shit, right? Like, they're not... They don't have just open bars that, you know, that... outsiders can go to or whatnot. I don't believe. I'm never. David's friend of the podcast, great friend of ours.

He has a bit about getting off the plane and I want to say it's United Arab Emirates. Is that, but that's, no, is that right? That's where Dubai is. Okay,

and just like the whole bit is about how like you've got a literal gold city and you can't have any fun in it. Right. And it's one of my favorite bits. So, look, we shouldn't get our international relations expertise from comedians. But as far as I know, no, man, you can't get fucked up there. Yeah.

I mean, it's just such a... Court of Billy Wayne Davis, who went there for eight days. Yeah, but, well, that just, I mean, that just don't hit. They don't like that. That's pretty much the crux of the bit. Yeah. But you got, you know, a big, beautiful city with all these, fucking amenities and shit

but you can't get any kind of fucked up, I just, I don't it. What do you think? Long story short, don't hit. No, I haven't spent much time in majority Muslim-Islamic countries to party or do comedy or any of that.

I do want to go to Dubai. I just want to see what that show looks like. Yeah. Everything's indoor. I have a cousin who lives there. And so, have a place to stay and stuff, but it seems strange to live in a desert. That's, well, I mean, I guess that's what L.A. is. It's like, people shouldn't not be living here, and yet here we are.

Phoenix. No natural life. I'd say Phoenix is the city that I've been to that gives me the biggest sense of that, a particular feeling. It's like, how, how and why is this here? Like, this is crazy. Yeah, I don't know. In Vegas. Yeah, but Vegas, though, is like, well, you're in it. Like, you get, when you land on the plane, you're already in it. So unless you drive out, it's like, there's never a moment where you realize. Right.

We just created this out of thin air and a lot of dams and a lot of diversion of water from Native Americans. The ones we didn't murder first. Jesus Christ, we're the baddies. That is. We are. Well, I mean, you know, we've done us an hour here. Tushar, did you have, I don't know, do you have anything you would? I don't know.

I like the topics we hit. Yeah, me too, yeah. Got a little religion, get a little Vikings, little, um. I want to say about the Vikings, I am, I'm calling bullshit on these fucking Nazi. Listen, you've gone too far now. After, of all the things that you espouse, taking Viking culture is the one where I draw the line personally. Well, okay. Like, is that, when they, when you say and they say Viking culture, they specifically mean like, like Viking, like old shit.

Like, like, Nordic. They started like getting the tattoos and stuff like that. So like, if you want a sweet Viking cross now and you get one, other people might reasonably think if you look like me that you're a light supremacist because those groups have started. doing that and they've been doing it for a few years and it's fucking bullshit i hate that's one of things i this is a funny thing to hate the most about nazis so it's not it's not the thing i hate the most i'll go next i'll go next it's not the thing i hate the most about them but what it one thing that really pisses me off is their like undeniable ability to just co-opt and ruin anything they want like if they take something on and the internet becomes aware that

like, oh, Nazis are fucking with that. Whatever that thing is is fucking over for the rest of us forever. And it started with the goddamn swastika, too shark, did it not? They took it from us. That's a peaceful symbol of harmony and the four parts of life coming together. And they took it. And it's very rude. But funny.

You know the other things what the Nazis took? Pepe the frog memes. You know the other thing that I'm jealous? of the Nazis for what they did real well was this thing yeah the why like that they took that yeah just that non-wave way yeah it's just there's something about it that's so clean and just like here i'm i'm with you and they took it forever you can't do that for anything well you just make it into a fist and that one hits but but you do that you know if you're if you're not doing it in support of black folk or their play, it's going to seem like you're co-op in some shit.

God damn it. Right. Humans, man. As we've always said, black man can't have nothing anymore, dude. Too-Shar. You're going to steal it back. Too-Shar. When people, and I can't think of a good example of this, but like, how do you feel

like about appropriation? Like, if I wanted to fuck with some Indian shit. Are you trying to steal some stuff? and get some ideas for me. No, I don't know. I order Indian food in the middle of this podcast. I don't even, yeah, okay, like food, right? Like, that's fine, isn't it?

Surely. I know some, like, super liberals on the internet and stuff, call that cultural appropriation. Like, when it comes to what? Eating food? Like, cuzoons. Quizons. I don't know.

I don't know what to fuck any other thing. Oh, there's him. Aiddles. but like or and this is again go back to Japan Japanese stuff there was some white girl that posted a picture of her prom dress which was like a kimono basically and she got fucking ripped apart for that but a lot of Japanese people were at on the internet were saying like what that's a sweet kimono like who gives a like I think it's cool or whatever and I know like different people feel different ways about it I'm just wondering how you feel about it. Well, I think there's versions of positive cultural appropriation. For example, the yoga class that my mom goes to, and I've been kind of going with here and there with, you know, it's twice a week and I went a couple times. It's a sweet, nice lady. And she'll come and she'll talk about the Bhagavit Gita and the Mahabharata and like all these religious texts.

And she'd be like, and she'll talk about the religion and the philosophy of yoga and what you're trying to do. in a very, very positive light. She'll be like, and she's like, this is Tadasana and this is when, when Krishna went into the battle with Arjun and blah, blah, blah. Like, she'll say these things. And you could tell she's like deeply immersed

in a positive way to make herself feel better. My first reaction, though, is like, oh, your culture is dead inside. So you obviously are going somewhere else to find, fill the gap. That's a negative way to look at it. But net net, I think it's not bad. I mean, it's better than her being like,

well, the opposite of it. Isn't that basically just what a melting pot, like it's supposed to be ostensibly is just all different cultures, just appropriating each other and just, obviously there are shitty versions of it. Two shards are, I don't know anything about a melting pot, dude.

I'm in the top of the case system where I come from. But I do want to say, to bring it back to the fucking all right, you know, Richard Spencer's whole thing, his whole thing we first got launched on to the Americans, I guess, whether we wanted him to be or not, was that Western civilization was great, if not superior, great. And proof of that is look at the things we gave to the world, blah, blah, blah. Now, that's fucking white supremacy mask as a bullshit history lesson.

I know that. But if you are looking at that going, what, bunch of horseshit. I think to be consistent, you kind of got to say, you got to, like, at the least honor and respect things other cultures have done. And if we get into this place where, okay, but you're not allowed to do it. You're not allowed to partake in any of it. It's like, you're kind of forcing people, and I know no one on this podcast has said this,

but if you are taking that stance, you're kind of forcing people to just be white. Be white and only do white shit ever. which is like, yeah, that don't seem like the way it ought to be either. Like, I don't know. It just depends on the intent, I think, of any specific person doing it. But I just feel like generally speaking, the blending of cultures is like, is a good thing. I feel like you don't want a culture to get diluted. But as long as they all are like appreciative of each other, you know,

take the good shit and whatever and make each other better through that kind of assimilation culturally or whatnot. Like, I mean, that's good, isn't it? Like, I don't know. It's good, I think. I think it's not good. I mean, if you want to talk about cultural simulation and there's a movie called Gully Boy that came out, it's basically eight mile for Indian people. And it's basically rappers in Bombay. Yeah.

And their God is Nas. And the whole movie is like. How many hands does the God Nas have? He needs one mic and eight arms. Yeah, eight mics. All he's got is eight mics. All you need is one arm, one arm, one arm. No, but it's great.

I mean, that is cultural appropriation where they're being like this art form was developed out of pain and now it's like in the slums of India. They're using that form to express themselves. Is that, are they stealing it? No. They just love it so much. They're making it their own. And there's nothing wrong.

They ain't nothing wrong with that. Right. This chick I knew in a law school, she had studied in France. A law school? A law school. A law school. I don't know you went to a law school. Yeah.

That was a bum. There it is. There it is. She, it's funny because this story is about Muslims. She had a boyfriend. When she was studied over there, her boyfriend was a Muslim-French guy, French Muslim and he was super into French Muslim rap and they weren't there anymore but anyway when I knew her she like

played me French Muslim rap and I don't know what the fuck they were saying but I was really into the idea which was essentially that they had heard hip hop as a revolutionary art form and therefore taking it and made their own because this was at the time I'm sure it's still going on but it's at the time when the international press was covering a lot of what was going on between French Muslims and the French government. Right.

Which is. All right, well, Tuchar. Thanks for being here, buddy. Fuck Cho, you come back. He'll be in Savannah next week. All right. Thanks for having me. That was fun.

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