wellRED podcast - #185 - Trump Says The Troops Are Losers? w/Guest Host James Bane and Stan Mayer!

Episode Date: September 9, 2020

So Trump apparently said soldiers were "losers" (wow so shocked) but since our opinions don't mean much, we decided to have a few Veterans on to give their take. Listen as James Bane and Stan Mayer talk about their service, and some of the misconceptions people have about the Military..... and also this whole Trump shit..

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We're here. Here we are. Here we are. For the second week in a row, we've got a different third amigo here. Cho is back this week, but now we are absent Drew, who may be dead, who knows, he's on a spirit quest in the American West somewhere. He's just, that just means he's drunk in Wyoming.

But he's, uh, him and Andy are driving across the country back to Tennessee. He's spent some family time during the pandemic or whatnot. So he is indisposed. So what we have done is we've called once again a friend of the podcast, you all met before to come and sit in for our missing compatriot. And this week, that is James Bain, who is, if you all recall, an actor's been in countless big-time commercials, Super Bowl commercials. He's also been in NCIS, and he was in HBO's The Brink acting opposite Jack Black and Tim Robbins. And I've been in plenty of other stuff too.

And it was recently we talked last time he was on here in a big-time Hollywood person. picture with a big time Hollywood actress, but then the world ended, so who knows what's going on with that. But anyway, that's what James does, but James is also, perhaps more importantly, a fellow Salina boys who grew up in my hometown. He was sort of like the older brother that my group of friends, you know, the older brother to all of us, because his actual younger brother grew up with me. So I've known James pretty much my entire life.

James is also a U.S. Marine. So a little bit later. Are you just going to skip over the fact that he played Private Bryce in our War on Christmas sketch, possibly his greatest role ever? Oh, that's right. Yes, I'm sorry. What am I thinking? Fucking hell. He was Private Bryce in our last, our final forever, Comedy Central sketch, the War on Christmas.

But anyway, James was in the Marines for years and has remained active with the military and with veterans activities and whatnot ever since. So we're definitely going to get into some relevant shit with James a little bit later. But just first, though, how's it going, buddy? Oh, man, just fucking surviving on the pandemic world. Thanks for having me on, man. It's the honor. I love listening to you guys every week, but to be on too. It's nice.

Yeah, I'm trying to get out of L.A. a little bit, not too far. I've got a house that might be closing on soon up in Running Springs, which is like Lake Arrowhead Big Bear. so I'm looking forward to getting up there and being back amongst, you know, trees and whatnot. If it doesn't burn down. You've certainly got the beard going for it. You've got that, got that woodsman beard going. I'm trying to lock down all those, like, racist roles that are going to be coming up.

Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're going to be one of the proudest boys on TV whenever the shit's over. I can't remember. Did we talk last time you were on the podcast about that time you were biking through, was it around the Memphis area or somewhere like that? Yeah, it was Memphis.

I was riding my motorcycle cross country, and this kid on a Harley came up with me and was kind of passing me. I started following through traffic in Memphis. And I was like, man, those lightning bolts on the back of his motorcycle looked like SS symbols, but I wonder if he knows that. Oh, my God.

And like, he noticed I was following him, and he was like, hey, dude, where are you headed? I'm in California. He's like, oh, my clubhouse is right here. You want to go in? Like, sure, man, why not? Like, seems fun. walk in and it was like

Ace Ventura when he walks in the like lovely room of death I was like oh lovely room of racism you have here it was just like every kind of racist memorabilia it was the whole smorgasbord he had like KKK

and it was like the four Fs or something like that yeah were there's swastikas swastikas I mean everything everyone had like like Confederate all the old-timers like Confederate.

Man, just playing all the heads. Those, those, dude, that particular type of racist, like, it's, it always just blows my mind because I think we're just so used to, like, we of course, I know so many races, but none of them think they're racist. You know what I'm saying? Like, they all like, no, I'm not racist, but they're like very, very racist, but they'll never admit they're racist. And then you got these people who are like, I mean, literally wear it on their sleeve.

You know what I'm saying? Like, that's so, that's so bizarre. of me. They're like, no, God damn it, I'm a fucking racist. I mean, it was, it's comical because I'm a large white man. Had I been in color and walked in there, it would not be as comical

because I just had seen like get hard with Kevin Hard and Will Farrell. They take him to like a place like this and I'm, the place I went to was so over the top that I thought it was like a set. Right. Like,

like Boyd Crowder's little church gimmick situation he's got. Yeah. Yeah, because for people just listening, James also was a college football player. James is gigantic. Yeah, he's a huge motherfucker. He's 6'5 massive, and he's very white. He's like blonde.

He's like, you know, you got like an Aryan super soldier general physical thing going on. But obviously James isn't any of any of that. But he's got like, I know. we talked about last time, like, you've just got, you check all of those boxes that those guys are looking for other than the ideology. You know what I mean? Because like, you're from Salina, Tennessee. You're super white, big as hell, football player fucking Marine. Oh, dude. Those dudes 100% expect you to be on their team. Yeah, you really, you break a lot of hearts when they start talking to you. Like, they're like, we have one. Zee's not a boy.

Yeah. Like I was the surprise, you know, draft pick to the left side. The other side. Yeah, for sure, man, for sure. Corey, how are you feeling today? I'm not well. No, I'm not well. So I haven't like, I know this is going to sound insane because, and I get it.

I've earned it. I'm sure that people think that I just, you know, stay getting slaughtered drunk. And there are times where that's true. But I really haven't like, And for at least, I'd say like two weeks, I've had, I've drank like a, I drank one day in the past two weeks, but I didn't get like slaughtered drunk. I just kind of had a couple beers. I was like, you know, I don't want to deal with it. I want to go to sleep.

I'm enjoying my sleep schedule. I'm getting up about 6 a.m. getting a lot of work done by about 3 because that's when Amber gets home. I'm trying to keep it to where like I can be a husband and shit. Like I'll work when she's at work and then we can do like a regular thing, you know, just trying to, you know, trying to be. that guy since we don't have to be on the road. But when I had some drinks, I was like, I'm not going to do this. Well, last night, my buddy Robbie, you know Robbie, my best friend, he got engaged,

which is a big deal. Him and Meg have been together for like eight years. And when nobody ever thought he'd do it because Rob is a bit of a, he's just, he's against most stuff and marriage. Like, Rob is just so against stuff and marriage is like the stuffiest of all stuff. But he did it. And so we had like a in his yard, we had like a little cookout, you know, semi, you know, we social distance as best as we goddamn could for being as drunk as we.

I pulled a drunk last night. So I'm saying. And it was the first like real, like I drank hard liquor like for a while. And so I'm not feeling good right now. And so what I've done, I'm kind of like I'm, I'm in a bit of a spot right now because I woke up and normally the my go-to hangover cure is CBD, like a bunch of CBD oil, like a ton, like four times the recommended dose of that and I'm good to go. Well, I got up this morning and realized, oh shit, I'm out of oil and I put an order in,

but it's fucking Labor Day, so they're not delivering so I don't have it. And I was like, man, what am I going to do? God damn, it's the only thing that helps my hangover. I remembered that I have CBD cream, like a salve. And I've not been shy before about telling people that I stick like weed cream and weed jelly just right in my butt hole. Up your butt hole, yeah. Up my butt hole.

Like I'm not saying shy. before he had a bit that he did on state like every night for an extended period of time he talked about shoving weed up his asshole and killed with it of course yeah it's on it's it's on my uh it's on my uh it's on my special corey forster uh live there you can get that you can get that you get that you get shy about it yeah yeah yeah oh hell oh yeah absolutely it works okay well so do you do you okay i know because me and you have talked about all the time you're like me and that you are very very susceptible to weed, very sensitive to weed and have a very low tolerance. And I do too.

And the way I've always understood butt hole drugs is that like you can do any kind of butthole drugs. And the way I've always understood it is it actually makes the drugs more potent and more powerful because of how sensitive the fucking blood, how much blood vessels you've got in your blood. I don't remember the specifics of it, but it's the mucus membrane. It goes straight to your bloodstream. There you go.

Thank you. So that seems like it would be a bad idea for a man who's extremely sensitive to weed to shove weed up his butt. Is that how it worked? Well, you would, I think that if I shoved like, you know, like me and you take a 10 milligram, if I shove the equivalent of a 10 milligram gummy at my butt, I'd go to the hospital. But I think, but I think what it is is like most of these creams, even the, it's so low

because it's meant for topical, like it's not meant to get you high. It's meant for like helping your joints and stuff. So it's just so low that when you shove it up your ass, it maybe is like it becomes the equivalent of that. My point is though, is like this is just straight CBD cream that I got. So I was like, I mean,

look, if I get high by sticking the weed part of it up my ass, then I bet you the CBD will have the calming effect on me if I shove it up my ass. So I go in there. You fault it. I mean, look, I've got years of data on this. this. So, so I go in there and, uh, and I, you know, I take a shower to get, you know, clear everything out and stuff. And so I'll get out of the shower and, I mean, I get like a gob. I'm, and, and here's the deal, folks, like, I don't, again, I'm not shy about this. I'm not

talking about just like rubbing it on. Like, I, I, I get in there. You know what I mean? Like, I spread, I spread, go a couple nucks deep and. You're in the neighborhood already. Absolutely. No. You got them right. So, so I shove a. whole fuck ton of this CBD up my asshole. Is it in like a tube, like sort of a toothpaste tube situation? No, that'd be great because then I could just like suppository it.

Yes, you just shove the Freud cream application. It's in a, it's in like a little dapper dand gimmick, you know, like it's just, you've got to get it on your fingers. You've got no choice,

but to finger your but hole. Absolutely. And I do. And like that, and like that Ron White bit goes, and I hated it at first. Next. I know I was like,

Grandma, I think I'm getting a fever. But anyway, no, and I do. I love shoving my fingers up my ass with weed on it. It's one of my favorite things. But anyways,

I go to shove this shit in my ass and, like, I'm like, this is going to work. It's going to be good. And all of a sudden I get a tingling sensation. And then all the sudden, I look,

and I realize it's meant, it's meant, yeah, dude, and my ass, it's still, this was like an hour ago. And I'm still,

like, you know, it's, fine. It's kind of just like a cooling sensation at this point. It's like kind of like eating a peppermint patty with my ass right now. But like at first, it was very, very, very, very bad and did not hit. I just got this picture of the meme of Ralph Wiggum where he's like, I'm in danger. Yeah. I'm very Ralph Wiggum.

He's very Ralph Wiggum, yes. But so when that happened, I was so uncomfortable and I was like, I started sweating and then I got more, and it just kind of made me sicker. So the opposite of what it should done. But it's like, I think it's ran its course now and I'm, I'm, I'm, I think I feel okay. But yeah, I'm, I drink fucking, I mean, I drank like a whole goddamn bottle of, uh, of, uh, of, uh, dickle last night. And I, I don't, uh, yeah, rye, right, dickle rye. And that, yeah, that will do it. Uh, and we had a fucking blast. Don't get me wrong. But like, I think I'm, I don't know, man. I know that I think I'm done. Like I'm, like, but like, the thing is,

is that I know you're thinking like, well, of course, everybody says that when they're hung over, but I said that before I even started drinking yesterday. Like I really didn't even want to do it. And I haven't really drank for the past two weeks. Like we went to a cabin last weekend while I wasn't here. And I didn't drink when we were there. I had a couple beers the first night. And then I was like, dude, I'm, fuck it.

I don't want to. Like I'm, I'm kind of, this is going to sound strange, but like I'm happy right now. It's weird. And that's great. Okay. A couple things. I want you to check me on each of these. No, no, no.

No, it ain't going to go like the way you'd. thinking it will. I, like, I, I will still fuck around and do it sometimes. Don't get me wrong. Happens to the best of us. But, like, starting a while ago now, like, you were saying, you're like, it wasn't just this morning. I said, I think I'm done. I kind of didn't even want to do it yesterday. Did you get, I off, I don't really enjoy, like, being drunk anymore. Like, I still like to have, like, when we're having shows, I like to have a couple drinks for a show. Yeah, that's different. But, like, I don't enjoy. actually getting drunk and having for a while now.

It's not just a hangover. Like the being drunk part also isn't fun to me. No, no, I agree because like I just, especially with kind of what we got going on, like I'm set at the house. So I'm just drunk by myself and I just get really anxious. And I also am just like, I don't know, I get in my head so much of like a, well, I can't,

I'm soldered drunk, which means I can't get any work done because anything I do right now is going to end up getting tossed tomorrow because it's going to be gibberish. And then tomorrow I'm not going to be able to get any work done because I'm going to be so goddamn hungover that I'm just, and like, and I'm like, I'm in a really good creative space right now. Like for some reason, I'm just, I'm in the zone and I have been for a couple months and I'm trying to keep churning shit out. And that's just more important to me and also genuinely more fun. Like, you know, I hate to have the old cliche. Like, you know, if you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life. but like, you know, I skip events and tell people like, sorry I would, but I'm working.

They're like, oh, that's a bummer. And I'm like, yeah, I try to like relate to him, be like, but I'm like, here's the deal. I would rather, I would rather be working than go to your stupid fucking thing because I enjoy doing it. So, dude, I'm not sitting here saying I'm going to fucking sober up and never touch alcohol again, but like drinking just for the sake of it's, I'm bored and it's Tuesday as done, I think. I don't. And also, and this is just getting older, my hangover is bare minimum. minimum two days now, bare minimum.

The second day obviously isn't going to be as bad and I can function, but like, I still in like, like, I really should sleep. I don't feel good. And like, that's a huge part of it too. At one, like what we do, like we've got so much going on. Thank God. That's awesome. But like, I don't have two days to set like, well, three days really, one for the drunk and

then two for the recovery. I don't, I'm, I hope I never have a span of two days where I can allow myself that off. I like being busy and working. So I don't know, man. I just, I think, I think I'm just growing up, Trey is what it. It sounds like it, you know, a long last show growing up. The second, I do want to present y'all with the second thing in a second, though, but first, James, what are you, how you feel about getting drunk as you get older?

I mean, I had a late start. I didn't drink until I had been in the Marines for about a year. That's true, yeah. I was. Word? James was very much a late bloomer. Yeah, we talked about that last time. I said to you and Drew both that it almost made me mad.

Because, you know, Corey, you know how Drew was. He was super into Jesus and everything when he was like an all-state quarterback. So he wasn't like having sex and partying and stuff like that. Fucking pussy, yeah. That's how, that James was like that too. And I mean, dude, when I say like he left so much on the table. So much on the table. But in James case, though, Drew then later met the love of his life and got married,

whatnot, but in James's case, like, he later made up for it. Right, right, right. Don't worry. But yeah, James was very, because I remember James is a few years older than us. Like I said, he's like older bro, and we used to always be like, you know, it was wild to us how, how good of a boy he was. You know, Robbie, Robbie was that way too. Yeah. It's, yeah.

And to look at him now, it's like, there's not, surely not, but I mean, you know. But anyway, we interrupted. But yeah, because I feel like if you just get to know James a little bit now, you wouldn't probably expect that but yeah he was he was like that too well i mean like bloomer i mean james to me we're talking about him like he's not sitting right here but james it to me is he's a extremely kind person he's like the fucking you know gentle giant fucking teddy bear all i mean could absolutely fucking choke me with one hand to death um this motherfuckerer for those of you that aren't watching this on you he's like cane from goddamn like peak attitude era level huge um good dude very

irresponsible, obviously, you know, marine structured, all that stuff. However, like, he still looks like somebody that stay getting fucked up because like that's just what men do. You know what I'm saying? Right. And James, no one is more of a fucking man that I know of than James. So he just seems like the, you know, always got like a metal flask, like a Harley Davidson flask around him just in case server at O'Charly's pisses him off, you know? 100%. So go ahead, James. How did, how did, how did your relationship with booze evolve? I'm, I was sipping on some tequila just now.

It's, listen, as you get older, man, it does. It packs more of a punch. I turned 40 this year. And, yeah, like, I've done the, hey, man, I'm not going to drink anymore. I'm going to stay away from it and always comes back. But, yeah,

I don't like the party like I used to because it takes a couple days to recover, but also like I need to have a drink with me to handle some people's shit. Oh, yeah. The world is right now. I'm like if I need either. And I hate like, I'm like, I'm not saying you have to like partake and all this, but I'm saying like I either need a need a drink or like a sip of tequila. Yeah.

There's some bullshit going on. And I don't want to have to like do that dry. Yeah. So, all right, that kind of leads into the second thing I was going to talk to y'all about. And I want you all to check me on this. Because let me preface this by saying, I know that a lot of this is made rationalizing, and I fully admit that. But I also have always been the type of like, I need something.

And one specific way that manifests is like at the end of the night. So I used to, when I was in college up until I was like, I don't know, mid-20s, I drank every single night pretty much. But back then, I would drink like vodka and shit. it wasn't hitting. I wasn't getting like slaughtered and doing dump ship, but I was just drinking way too much, you know. And then I quit drinking entirely unless we were on the road.

When we moved to California, I'd never drank in California ever when I was at home. What I was doing instead was I would eat like a half of a gummy when the boys went to sleep and me and Katie would turn on Netflix or something. And I had that half a gummy in me. And then here's, And then here's the important part. Invariably, every single night, what that would turn into is me defiling myself with whatever is in the refrigerator.

Right. And even if I made it a point and I have junk food in the house, all I would do is just eat enough tangerines to make a monkey puke. You know, and a bunch of pistachios and shit too. Like I'd have like healthy shit like nuts ain't calorie dense as fuck. And I'd sit there and eat a whole goddamn bag of pistachios. I would do that type of thing. because also I would do good about like my dieting or whatever, about not eating too much during the day.

I've never been a breakfast eater, so I ate just a medium lunch and a big ass dinner. But still, that's it, just two times. And the boys go to bed and I'm like, I'm doing great today. I eat half a gummy. And by the time I go to bed, I'm holding my stomach like, oh, no, what I did, why I do that, even if it's like healthy food, every single night.

And now before I get into what I'm doing, and now preface this again by saying, I know I should just do neither of this. Right. But I can't do that because I'm broke. So anyway, I'm broken. I'm broken. Yeah. I'm so glad you clarified that.

Yeah, right. I ain't broke, motherfucker. I don't know. So here's what I've started doing recently and also how I rationalize it in my brain. We ran out of weed gummies while ago and just haven't ordered anymore. Okay. So I'm not getting high and eating a shitload of chips and dip or whatever at night. Basketball's been on and whatnot.

What I've been doing instead, and Lord, this is going to set Thompson on fire this part that I'm about to say. Just how big of a pussy I'm being right here, I know. But what I've been doing instead is drinking three to five white cloths. Yeah. Like we talked about before, which are 100. Thompson's so furious right now. I know. I know.

When you brought them up on here, Cho, I shit all over them because you said they were 100 calories. And I was like, well, I thought they were like 50. What's the fucking point? Yeah.

But I get the point now. Yeah, they hit. Listen, listen. Forget White Claw. 150 calorie lemonade trullies. That's the jam right there.

Okay. Are they bigger than White Claws? No, it's just they taste better. Yeah. I can handle, I can handle the shit of your taste for 50 less calories. Because I, dude, you have two of them.

That's a whole extra hundred, James. So here's what I'm rationalizing it is before my nightly routine, my sorry ass, between the time the boys went to sleep and when I went to bed, I've consumed like fucking probably on average 700 calories of food at least, if not sometimes a fucking thousand. If I had a whole bag of French onion dip, an old bag of legs is a French onion dip. That is not that,

dude, a thousand is not that hard when you're drunk and high. No, not even close to hard. I would go to bed, you know, a thousand calories in. And now it's like maximum 500.

So even though it's booze when before it wasn't no booze, calories, I'm still in my head like, this is long run better for me. Yeah. I mean, what I was doing before. So, I mean, here's the deal.

I'm going to, I'm going to tell you right now, I think you're fucking 100% right. But I'm going to also tell you something that you don't want to hear. You know who you sound just like right now? You're right. You're right. I just went on a huge diatribe about how, like, I'm growing up and mature and I don't have to drink as much anymore, blah, blah, blah, blah. Me and you peed in a fountain and lightened struck, basically is what it sounds like right now. Because like, that's the, what you just did was Cho Mass.

And here's a deal. Two plus two is four, baby. You know what I'm saying? Like, it works. It just works. The calories is a goddamn calorie. And then White Cause ain't bad, man. Like, last, like, I drank, I drank some last night.

And like, I mean, I had a couple beers. I had this, this fucking, God, I had a, where are you out on porters? Porters? Yeah. I like them, fine. I don't hardly ever drink that beard off. Get into topsters. Like, God.

I don't. I know. This motherfucker. Most of California, I swear to God. Well, I'm not, I'm normally not big on. porters myself and I don't even know this is not the greatest story in the world but I just want to throw it out there that last night I had a chocolate peanut butter porter that legitimately tasted like a goddamn milkshake and it was delicious but then after that I was

a little you know that's a little heavy so I just I went with seltzers and an entire bottle of dickle you know just to just to just to keep it a little light yeah well I try to try to do tequila because you know it's upper yeah it's upper yeah it's upper I guess. See, that's, for a long time, when I was like,

when I was trying to lose weight, it was like, I would get vodka and drink it with just like soda water or even just like water with some lime juice in it or just whatever, which seems fine. But when you put as much goddamn vodka into one drink as my ass does, it's like, I want to taste it. I want it to hurt me.

What fuck we're doing here? Yeah. Well, and that totally defeats the purpose of that. That's the thing for me too is that like, uh, this should probably come as no surprise, but like my tolerance is pretty ridiculous when it comes to booze.

So like if I start like if I start at like, you know, 7.30 or something drinking and I'm going to drink until, you know, one o'clock in the morning or whatever, I can easily drink an entire bottle of liquor by myself. No problem. And I mean, I know that that's bad. That's a bad thing.

But I can do it and I'm going to do it. And I'm saying like I'm not, I'll remember that night. Most people, if they drink half a bottle of vodka, they're like, I have no fucking idea what I did this. I'll drink a fucking whole bottle of vodka and go to a meeting. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. It ain't shit to me.

So like, yeah, man, once you do that, it's like, dude, I'm already having 2,000 calories in this. I'm going to go eat a whole can of soup. I don't know. Yeah, well, we, you know, we are men with demons, Cho. That's what we are. We are. One of them demons for a long time was the, was the demon bacchi. Yes.

Not the wacky tobacco, just the regular old tobacco. I don't know when you start smoking. I started smoking. I was 16 years old. 15 for me. Did consistently quit smoking cigarettes. When was that, Corrie? I quit the same week you did.

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That's a hilarious sentence. It took me four years to start smoking. There's nothing that, I mean, like, you're out there and you're bored. You know, and some of you guys smoke, and I would like try to bumma sick and like light it. And it's like the zoo lander. I was like, yeah. Yeah, I just, it didn't work for me. And I mean, of all my friends, I was probably the only one, even like in high school,

the only one on the bus that didn't like dip or anything. That's another weird thing about you because you look like a lucky strike man. You know what I mean? You look like if somebody handed you a regular cigarette, you'd tear the filter off and throw it at their face and call them a pussy and then smoke it backwards. James, correct me if I'm wrong, but your first big thing was a print ad for skull.

Yeah. A skull ad. It was a print ad and then it first came out in Playboy. And my mom, like, who was a school teacher, bought it and went around like the elementary school with the play. But, I mean, she had it folded. Right, right, right. And you couldn't see what it was. Your first print ad was a skull, skull commercial in a Playboy.

Yes. You've got that frame somewhere, don't you? Somewhere, yeah. I mean, there's a bad ass too. That's bad ass, man. He's like sitting there looking all hard and he's like covered in dirt and shit. And he's holding a football pointing out the camera, but just calling you a bitch, basically from the other side of the page. They just line to America.

Yeah. Yeah, it's all lies. I had gum in my mouth. I had gum in my lip. That's what I had. Hilarious. Yeah, I don't believe it. There's nothing sacred.

Your inability to start smoking is not the only thing that made you sort of stand apart from many of your fellow veterans, if I'm not mistaken. Because as we said earlier, you were a surprise draft pick to the left team. Yeah. As somebody was in the Marines for years and like I said, has remained like active in the veteran community and all of that. Why don't you talk a little bit about the sort of political landscape as it were? And then I definitely want to ask you about all this recent story about Donald Trump hating the troops and all that. Well, I mean, it seems like the veteran world is very bifurcated at the moment anyways.

I don't know. For me, going to war, I was totally like, let's go kill bad guys. Let's stack them up. Let's, it's desert nom. And I was a Marine.

Like, that's what we're trained to do. We're trained to fucking break hearts and stack bodies. And that's what you want to do for America. And I got over there and I realized it was people. And then else you find out, I mean, I'm jaded because,

you know, our country was like yeah there's weapons of mass destruction let's send all of our little daughters and sons to go die and then you get over there and you're like wait these people are having a hard enough time day to day like clearly iraq has nothing to do with this but yeah so my mindset on war and just the whole like industrial war complex and the military and politics and all that totally just started shifting real fast. I still went again for a second tour in Iraq, so it took me a minute to learn some of that stuff.

But after that, I was pretty much like, hey, man, like, do we need to be doing this? Don't get wrong, like, there is some definitely bad people that need to be held accountable, and the U.S. military is great at that. But I just don't like seeing people being used in a way for a lot of people to gain while they sit in their offices in their suits and not really do anything.

You know, and they love to yell freedom, you know, and rights and democracy and not do anything for it. What about other, like, other vets and everything, though, in terms of just, like, politics, like, I don't know, and I'm not asking you to speak for all of them. I'm saying, like, do you feel, as a progressive, do you feel weird isn't the right word, but do you feel, like, not, you know.

It's akin to being from Salina, you know. I understand. I understand the mindset. I understand why people, because there's such a belief structure in your foundation is in America and anything that questions that is a disruption of your foundation. It's scary. It's terrifying. And listen, like, I just actually disabled my Facebook because I got tired of.

of lecturing, you know, thick-headed people about stuff and realizing they wouldn't really change. So I feel kind of cowardice about it, but also I'm like really relieved because I'm like, oh, I'm not wasting a bunch of time talking a fucking rock. Right. Yeah, I feel you on that. It's kind of a, it's a weird thing because like there's, there's part of you that is like, okay, but like our job as human beings, especially, you know, people who were trying to be

progressive is like I do need to have these conversations with people. This is how this is that that's the only way it's going to work like it's your responsibility to talk to these people. But then like the other side of that coin is like they're literally not listening and they're just going to call me a queer and and so and you know it's that it's that old that phrase like don't you know don't wrestle with a pig because you both get muddy but the pig likes it. And I say that because I too don't fuck with Facebook no more like for all that

reason. I'm like you know it just doesn't seem to work or matter and all at the end of the day, they feel the exact same way after that conversation, and I feel horrible. Yeah. It's, uh, for the Mark Twain's, uh, don't argue with idiots because they'll bring you down to your level and be able to experience. Yep.

That's true. It's, yeah. Um, I have my, my boy, uh, Stan Mayer here with me. He's also a Marine vet and former, uh, intelligence officer and, uh, like-minded, uh, guy. Yeah. He is also small town. He's from the Rust Belt, though. He's from Ohio, but he's definitely blue-collar guy.

I'm going to slide him in here with me. Yeah, come sit on my left. Oh, hell yeah. Another tall, another tall Marine. What's up, Stan? What about it, Stan? Good to meet you. Good to meet you, too.

You know, that's a real easy to dismiss. I mean, so are Americans that are really attached to that rusty. bumper, anything that goes against their tribal belief, you know, their strength in tribes. Everyone wants to, you know, not dissent to stay with their families. But for instance, we forget about things that happened a month or two months ago because there's so many dumpster fires day by day. So like, port goes in the presidential daily brief. Vladimir Putin's got a bounty on heads of American soldiers, Iraq, Afghanistan, whatever.

And they say, you know, that that information wasn't, you know, reliable, but it's not true. For something going to PDB, it's got to be corroborated by multiple disciplines of, you know, collected information. We're not just talking about talking to people. We're talking about everything, the whole thing. And then it's verified to make sure that it's true. There's a whole system. It ends up in a like a two-page folder that's loaded about it. The president could take it into the shitter with him and read it if he wasn't on Twitter.

but he doesn't. It's written in friggin abstract so that you can get through it real quick and then you can ask questions about it, but it's never looked at. The shit was in there. So I didn't read it. It's just whatever.

Anyway, the point is that vets will then look at that and say like, I don't know about intelligence. Well, shit, man. What were you doing in the war, you know? Yeah, well, that's like, I mean, that's one of the biggest, I don't know if cons are the right word,

but that's one of the most unfortunate things about his entire administration. and how it's affected the culture is that like you just said, you know, like, oh, it has to be vetted and go through this rigorous process to end up in there. It's, you can't just say that, oh, it's not reliable, but that's exactly what they do about everything that doesn't, you know, doesn't hit for them is they literally just, they say fake news or something's bullshit or whatever. And then you can't, like, you can't argue with what you just did and go over all the reasons why that's not true, but it doesn't, it doesn't matter. because they just think you're fake news, fake news and the fake news to them. Yeah, I mean, it was, when I say genius, please know that I mean evil genius, but regardless that it was genius.

I mean, that was Roger Stone's hold. Like when he did, when he laid that out for Trump in the first campaign, I mean, that's all he had to do. And we're four years later. And it's just perfect. It's the get out of jail free card. It's a, I've set it up to where no matter what, I can just be like, that's bullshit. And they'll all be like, well, it's been bullshit before.

May as well be bullshit now. So Godda, I don't know how you work around that. Well, so let me ask you all what you guys thought about that big report that came out in the Atlantic last week about Trump and his history where vets are concerned. How you felt about it, but also like what kind of impact, if any, do you think that it will have in the like the military right now or the veteran community right now or both? I don't understand why we're talking about this report, like not we, but like the America's talking about this report, the Atlantic article or whatever, like this is new information. Right. We've all known this. For sure.

Pointed at it. You know, that the media is a reflection of what's already in the zeitgeist. And like anybody that has any sense, I don't care what side of the fence you sit on knows that this guy is not the kind of dude that appreciates things like self-with-service. That's just not a driving. Makes no sense. So, of course. Like, I'm not surprised by that. I hated this dude before he ever stepped foot,

before he ever said anything about veterans. He walks into the military, you know, Arlington, wherever, Bellowwood, or something like that, has no idea what's going on because he doesn't give a shit, you know. It's another, you know, example you can point at it and say, well, it's fake, but I don't care who is in the room or if it was bugger, there's a microphone, or there's a report, or I don't give a shit.

We all know better. Like this guy doesn't give a fuck about vets, bodies in the ground, the guy's hobbling around on one leg. You know, shit, most of them are running faster than James and I. I almost guarantee you that. But, you know, he doesn't care. He doesn't understand. It's a separate place. Right.

James said earlier, he was talking about getting off of Facebook because he was like, he got tired arguing with these people who were always, like, posting flags and, you know, saying support the troops and all this type of shit. And I've never been in the military. been to war, whatever, don't know what the fuck they're talking about, but they parrot that stuff all the time. I don't, I mean, I guess it just goes back to the whole the fake news thing, but it's like, this is one of the things with Trump that I, it seems like you would think it would be harder

for that crowd to just brush away, like they've brushed away so many other things with him, because they make it such a fundamental part of their whole worldview that's completely unassailable, you know, you support the troops. It's what you do is support the troops. And when the president is outed in this way, even though I agree with you completely stance like this isn't new information, but still, it's just one of those things. I don't understand the level of mental gymnastics they have to do, especially since I can't imagine their brains are the most advanced gymnasts to begin with to make that kind of thing makes sense. But, you know. Yeah, Trey, there's a great example.

night I was looking at this Facebook article came out or no it was a Facebook Michael Rappaport who has a loud mouth I love him but he put up a video of a World War II bet talking about what a pile of dog shit I saw that so of course I go straight to the comments because I'm waiting for because if one thing pisses me off more than anything the world it's better in entitlement it's when you come back for more and say my opinion is more valuable a halt more weight so I'm right you're wrong, you know. And I look for them and there was a litany of vets underneath that talking about like, hey, man, thanks for your service, but you're wrong. You know, Donald Trump is our Lord and

Savior and everything. And that's just just frustrating. And I can't figure out how to reconcile dudes that I served with. Honorably, I came from a unit where we lost more men killed an action in one tour than any unit in the 20 years of the war on terrorism. And we, any cemetery, any National Cemetery in the country, we can go there and there's five or six of our buddy spirit. And how do you reconcile that kind of sacrifice and then listen to the president and still wave that flag at him? I just don't get it. Yeah. I, I'd 100% agree with the thing you said about he doesn't understand any kind of self-sacrifice because he's entirely motivated by just like what benefits him and only him. And that's always been a major thing with him. And I think along

with that. I think it's like, I think it's just, obviously it is vets and the military and soldiers, but I think it's also just like poor people in general for him. You know what I mean? Like he, I guarantee you he thinks coal miners are suckers and losers too. And, you know, any kind of like, right. 100% and like that's, that's a thing that like, I'm when I was arguing with some of my buddies who, frankly, are ex-buddies now, like, when, like, if you'd ask me like two or three years ago, when we were on tour, like people used to always ask us. They're like, have you lost friends over this?

I'd be like, no. I mean, look, there's some people that we just don't bring it up. We don't talk about it. But like, I haven't, I've not lost any friendships. And don't get me wrong, it was bad then. And then, honestly, I should have been like, look, man, if you like this fucking dude, I ain't got no time for you. But it was just so early on that I was like, surely to God,

they will come to their fucking senses. But now, like, four years after this, like, it's kind of a line in the sand deal breaker for me. and they know and we don't fucking talk about it. But point, holy shit, I just lost my complete train of thought. What we talk about. He hates poor people. Oh, oh, right, right, right.

So my point that I used to make when I would argue with them is that like they had it in their mind. And I'm talking like some of my buddies who let's say they make anywhere from like, you know, regular like $42,000 a year to $60,000 in that range. You know what I mean? In their mind, they think that they had like, like, they could be this guy. Like, well, if I just work hard, I could, but, and I can't get over to him, I'm like, dude, you know the way that you look at a homeless person because you're a piece of shit?

You know, Donald Trump thinks that about you, bro. You and a homeless person have so much more in common than you and Donald Trump ever will. And he looks at you that way. He doesn't give a fuck about you, like at all. Like, and he never will. So like, I just don't understand the, whatever, dude. It's just, it's right. Not Donald Trump, anyone that's not Donald Trump is second to Donald Trump.

Absolutely. And by the way, that's fine. Just don't be president. You know what I got? Look, I get in order to be that level of human being, like in order to be him, in order to be Kanye, in order to be Michael George, and I'm not saying Kanye and Michael Jordan and Donald Trump are the second. But in order to be one of those types of things,

you got to step on next and you got to not give a fuck about other people, but don't be president. I can't have that in a president. No, no. I mean, like, this one, you see the way he acts, they wouldn't tolerate. They wouldn't even tolerate if you just close your eyes and listen to the man talk. Yeah. Like, you're like, that's not a precedent.

I mean, I wish it was bad selling in my car because I felt like I sold some special ed kid. Right. Well, and that's another thing, too, that I always constantly say to my ex friends is like, they're like, oh, well, you only think this because you, you watch MSNBC or you watch CNN. and I'm like, dude, no, I don't. I don't have to, like, I watch the dude say stuff. Yeah. I watch the, I watch his press briefings. I watch him when he gives speeches.

It's nothing. I listen to him and I don't like him. I don't have to have some fucking news person interpret what he said to me. No. So, like, that's it. Like, I don't, Fox News, none of that. Just listen to him. Do you like him?

If you do, you fucking suck right now, I think. And he's not the first shitty president. Of course not. He's just the one now, and he sounds like a moron every time he opens his mouth. How do you guys feel about patriotism in general? Like, I get one thing that annoys me a lot about their side is that they've like co-opted patriotism completely. You know what I mean? Like, if you're on the left, that means you hate America.

You hate America. Right. Right. You think America's terrible and you hate it. And it's, you know, not that you want it to do better because you love it. That's ridiculous. It's because you hate it. And they have like full ownership of any kind of patriotism and love of country and that sort of thing, which I find to be complete bullshit.

But I wonder how you guys feel about even just the general notion of patriotism as it stands in this country right now. It's how you, I mean, it's a double-edged sword. So Kurt Vonnegut wrote Slaughterhouse Five. He was a World War II that survived. I just read that this past weekend for the first time. Where did you say that? And that very first chapter I love in it he talks about, you know, well, he's writing from a perspective.

And he says the wife of his friend is like, don't write this book because if you do, kids are going to read it. And then they're going to make movies based off it. And like Audrey Murphy and John Wayne are going to play it. And then kids are going to watch it. And then they go, I'm going to join the Marines or join, you know, the war. And then they'll write books about it. And they'll make movies about it.

And then the next actors, you know, and this perpetuates this. kind of violence and senselessness, you know, of killing. But I also come from where I'm like, I want this country. I want to fight for the country. I want to fight for this country that has these things like for this country in which it stands. You know, liberty and justice for all. All men are creative.

I believe those things in their literal senses. You know, like they mean liberty and justice for all. And I'm willing to fight. That's joined the Marines with the easy. idea and golden war is an easy thing when it's come to defend that but then when you find out that it isn't

that is when it starts hurting and when you've laid down friends and you've put yourself in harm's way to realize that they're taking those ideas and those notions of what we could be and you know

tainting them and corrupting them it's that and so I'll talk to kids him and I get to go talk to a couple of kids here in Los Angeles to their AP English classes and talk about being vets and being creative writers too. And I tell these kids, you know, anyone that want to join the military, I'm like, you know,

hey, you might want to have some education first, a little bit more life experience. I don't want to tell you not to do it because I surely did and I understand why you do it, but I don't know. the Norman Rockwell picture of serving your country and patriotism is a myth at any more at least even in the past

you read General Smetley Butler's book War as a racket and here's a guy who has you know Battle of Honor or two I can't remember anyway you have to have a little bit of clear sight

and usually that's only if you make it off to the other side my idea of patriotism is a lot different than it was, just much like James. You know, I wanted the full value meal package. I wanted to, you know, the Forrest Gump story. I wanted to, you know, get in the gunfight and, you know, hold a guy while he's dying and all that shit and get medals and all this stuff of crap, right? All of that garbage ends up in a shoebox and sentimental.

And I feel the same way about the flag. I'm about to get a bunch of shit for this. But the deal is, is that the sentimental value of it is appointed. if you can't understand or grasp the true meaning of what it means to be America, it doesn't mean you have to serve and go run around in some bullshit war and murder as many brown people as you can. It means that everybody has to do their part to make the place better with the information they got at the time.

To me, that's patriotism. And if that means, you know, kneeling for the national anthem or something like that, then frigging, you know, get on it, you know, get after. Do what you got to do, man. I don't care what you do. You know, I see them. They drake these things over,

our buddies caskets. They, you know, they raise them up, you know, all that shit. You know, we're in one of these high school classes at this great discussion with a bunch of seniors

in AP English. We're talking about Kurt Vonnegut and Slaughter out's 5, and it was the first class of the day. This is Santa Monica High School. Announcements go off. They talk about what's going on for lunch, and then they do the pleasure of allegiance.

No one in the classroom stands. I'm sitting on the desk watching this class and they're all just sitting in their chairs. Now, 23-year-old stand right back from Iraq would have been irate, you know? I was sitting there kind of smiling, thinking about what an interesting time to be American right now. Like, these kids have a choice, you know?

So we had a song in discussion. I said, I noticed none of you comedy stood up for the national anthem, or not the national anthem, or not the national anthem, the pleasure of allegiance to come. And they all kind of got bashful because they thought I was going to, like, you know, whip the shit out of them.

Exactly. But let's talk about it. I mean, like, where's the kid that's going to, you know, stand up while everyone else is on their phones, you know,

talking to each other, hanging out, uh, and like the one kid's going to stand up, like some kind of freaking Hitler youth, you know? So I turn around, look at the chalkboard and there's no flag even.

I asked a teacher, I go, what did? You don't have a flag in classroom. We used to have that grown up, you know? There's no flex. She goes,

we don't have a budget for flags. They might put a magnet of one up on the wall or something. You know, Like that doesn't happen. We're not in like some kind of like, you know, people's republic. It's just freaking California. You know, the deal is that they get real hard up about like, oh, we're there on the left coast or, you know, shit.

It's the same. It's the same. Like Joe Biden, it's the same. Basically it's the same. You just got to pick your poison, you know. But at the end of the day, you'd like somebody that can at least lie to you about their appreciation for patriotism, you know? Like, it's not that hard.

All the presidents have been ship bags. And just smile, you know, and lie to us. Tell us that you appreciate what the troops have done. It's real, it's not hard, you know. The guy dies, call his mom, shit like that. I met Bush like fucking 90 times. Like when James and I were in the hot, he and I met at Walter Reed and Bethes and Abel after I got hit

and he got injured in Iraq. And I was constantly in and out of meetings with George Bush, you know. He would invite us over for drinks and stuff. I mean, he was a good dude as far as hanging out was. Now, I'm not talking about policies or his president, or presidency of the administration or anything like that. The guy sat me off of frigging what the fuck was that we were doing out. I don't know.

But in a room full of amputees where I will wheel these guys in with no legs and shit into the commonwealth living room and have cocktails with the president, he would get on his knees so he was on people's levels and talk to them eye to eye. He would appreciate that. His wife would come out. He understood how to at least wag that dog. Sure. Cool, man.

You're making an effort. he knew the names of the guys who were wounded. He went to the hospital at least quarterly. He made time for that shit, right? And it's just easy. Just line him at this point. Right. The American dream is a myth.

Just keep it up and line. I mean, I agree with you 100% because like that's what I talk to a lot of my friends. And they would say, now they say things like, well, dude, you know, are you going to tell me that because I'll explain to them. They'll talk about how, you know, Joe Biden's a socialist. He's a communist. And I'm like, guys, I, don't know how much more I have to say this. I said it to y'all about Obama. We think he's a almost a Republican. No, he's not. Like, he's not even close to liberal enough for us. So I don't

get what you guys are, are on about about that. Like you just, if someone's on the left, there are comments, and then they'll say things like, okay, well, then why do you like him more than you like Trump? They're like, would you, if they had the same policies, would you still vote for Joe Biden. And I was like, well, if they had the same policies, we'd be in a lot of trouble. But, but hypothetically, if they had the same policies, yes, I would vote for Joe Biden. And the reason is, is because like you said, Stan, most of our presidents have been shitbags, but they haven't all been embarrassing. And at least Joe, at least Joe Biden, regardless of how he would be as a president, he would be more diplomatic. And if I've got to vote for literally just one

thing, it's who can be more diplomatic? Because when we, when we've got so many countries with their fucking finger on a button hating the shit out of us. I want a guy that can, you know, go in there and look nice and not be a complete fucking embarrassment. And I think Joe Biden will put, you know, I think Joe Biden at least doesn't have enough of an ego to where, like Donald Trump just thinks that he can do every single cabinet member's job.

So he just puts whoever there because like, it's in the day I'm going to be fucking doing it. I think Joe Biden is a guy who's like, hey, I'm not good at insert this thing here, but this person would be. So I'll appoint them to that thing. also Supreme Court, all that shit, but like you were like, it's just, he's, he's dangerous, he's fucking embarrassing.

And yeah, regardless of what I'm, George Bush has, you know, done some shit that did not hit. But, you know, I would rather have him representing me in a United Nations meeting than Trump, because at least like you said, lie to me. Fucking lie. And Trump does lie, but just about dumb shit. Just like, I bought a mountain yesterday. You know, you didn't. So, sorry. It's also like Stan said, like it's not, it shouldn't be that hard, you know, some of the stuff. Like, think about. The playbook's been written for you.

This is how high level of a douchebag Donald Trump is, even among like just regular people. Like, how many just average people, human beings do you know on either side of political spectrum, any, on any part of the intelligence spectrum, any of that? I mean, people do you know who would, when faced with a ampute, a disabled veteran with no legs in a wheelchair, right? That would, that whose genuine reaction to that would be like, oh, gross, nobody wants to see that. Like, very, very, I don't know if I can think of another person I've ever met who would have that reaction. My mom, but just she'd be doing a bit, you know what I mean? Like, I could see my mom just being like, well, just put them to the side, not near the sandwiches. But like, she'd be doing a bit and it'd be funny.

Yeah, but I just don't like, and again, it's supposed to work in the exact opposite. The standard for being able to hold the office of the U.S. presidency is supposed to be way higher than most people. Yeah, yeah. And he's flipped it like completely around. He's way shittier of a person than 95%. of people any of us knows. Yeah. It's fucking crazy.

Yeah, because I know some fucking bags of shit. Right. Who wouldn't do that? Hell no. Dude, that's literally the last thing that they would do. Like, most of people that I know that are bags of shit, like, they at least lie and put on the face of, like, the troop, they don't falter on the troops part. You know what I'm saying?

Like, they might be the worst person in the world, but by God, if a military parade was coming down, they would stop beating their wife to salute. you know, the goddamn, the car. They would. Somebody told this guy was a commander in chief and he thought that that meant he was going to get cool parades, you know? Yeah, right. And didn't really understand the gravity of what that actually means

and where he stands. It's one of the reasons that you see guys, like generals, disciplined Marines, you know, a guy like Jim Mattis, right, who keeps his mouth shut and watches and when he can't deal with it anymore, he steps aside and observes, right? and then you orient yourself to the problem,

you make a decision on how you're going to deal with it, then you act, right? And you see him kind of sitting back and watching it, say, now's the time to say something, right? I think that dissension isn't really a thing that is manifested or encouraged in the military, right? Of course not, yeah.

And of course, it's easier to align yourself, you know, as far as a veteran perspective, with most of the people that you're serving. You know, like the political party that seems to give us more raises when they're, you know, when they have the majority, you know, things like that. And that's all well and good. But I can't reconcile. And I think that maybe the fact that Trump is an actual idiot and speaks down to the, you know,

that level, maybe that's why people feel so represented. you know, we don't necessarily breed critical thought. Yeah, I love teachers. Our parents are teaching, you know, teachers are great. And the education system sucks. You know, we don't teach people how to think. We teach them information. Well, it's been said, it's been said plenty of other times, but I think it's 100% true.

Is that he, we're talking about how dumb he clearly is. Now dumb, he clearly sounds. But he is what a dumb person thinks that a, like, smart person or a successful person or whatever. That's what they think that is. And he sort of fills that role perfectly, which blows my fucking mind because I can't conceptualize how a person could think that. But like, they do,

they clearly do. Yeah, I mean, it's just where we're from, and you know this as well as I do, money equals brains. Like they think if you've got money, you had to have been smart in order to get.

And of course, a lot of times that's fucking true. absolutely a lot of times that's true but people like well if he you know if he was so stupid why does he have all this money that his dad gave him answer me that you know smarts and Jesus right yeah like if you didn't pray

I heard someone saying like well Trump Trump wouldn't be successful if he was wasn't a Christian because there's no way you get to that kind of success without you know Jesus and when here's the deal he's just so very not a Christian or religious part like like

that was one of the first you know things that slipped through like the veil got ripped off that very early and then i think everybody was like well okay but he's more of a christian than anybody on the left because they're you know killing babies and drinking their blood out of their neck holes so you've got you've got if you're if you're if you even have a modicum of intelligence and you're on the right you know you know that he's not a christian and you know that's all for show and now you know that he doesn't like the fucking troops so at this point you've got the two things that are the pillar i mean they're the pillars of that whole fucking deal.

So at this point, just look at me in the face and say that you really like his racist policies. You can't hide behind. There's no more hiding anymore because used to at least they could say, well, he loves the troops and go, well, all right, you're just a fucking idiot. Well, he loves G. He don't like any of those. You just like him because he's a fucking bully. And he doesn't believe in mental health.

And he thinks that all depressed people are just lazy people on the couch. And he thinks that everybody's just getting a government chair. and all these welfare queens and your tax money is going to fund a fucking heroin addict and blah, blah, blah. You just like him and you're a fucking idiot. Like, you're just a goddamn idiot and you can't hide behind any of those things anymore. Like, it's over. And by the way, just say that to me. And then we won't have to, like, you know, we can just get drunk and I'll just know you're a piece of shit.

But like, we don't have to do the dance. Like, just say it. Come out and say it so I can respect you at least. You know, I'm looking for the litany of comments like that to get sent to me in my DMs by an ancestor. with that that's going to be like my evening after this thing. Yeah, for sure. It's going to be great, you know. I'll send you screenshots of the one man,

try to get it to make you feel better. Well, you can also use the, that military is basically socialism too. No one really, right. Yes. For sure. We're, uh, we've, you know, filled our time and it's been great. But since you guys are here, I want to shift gears slightly because I just,

I thought of something that I would love to hear out's perspective on. all the stuff with the cops, right, and law enforcement that's going on. Hear a lot of talk about, like, the training they need and whatnot. And there's, I've read stories about, like,

the training that, that they get a lot of times where this guy who is a vet, by the way, like has a, he calls it killology where he trains cops to act as though they're in a war zone is what he says, right? With the enemy combatants and whatnot. And obviously to me, it's like,

well, they don't need any more of that training. But obviously, it's the, it's the type of training. that's important, right? And what I'm wondering, you guys were both in the Marines. You both served multiple tours overseas in places that were obviously hostile, that were complicated with people that, you know, were under a whole lot of stress and in a tough situation and didn't know how they looked at you and all that, like, you've been in very complex situations where

the threat of violence or anything like that is concerned. So I was wondering if you guys could talk about like the idea of de-escalation, you know, and the importance of that and basically just how from your perspective it seems that a lot of these big city cops seem to approach that. All right. So escalation of force is a very simple concept that we expect 18, 19-year-olds to, you know, administer. So when we're rolling now, we're going to. down a road in a Humvee and a suicide bomber come barreling out of an alley. This guy doesn't just go to the gun and start ripping on it, right? And the military is so nervous.

And this all comes down to money, how much of it will cost, reparations, what, not collateral damage, the backlash from the media, all this shit, right? The kid is 19. He knows that if he lets the guy get too close, all of his friends are going to die, yada, yada, yada, he's got to go through this list of things to do first before he's allowed to, use lethal force, right? And he has to do this in a split second. The kid's 19. He's from bum fuck nowhere. He's got, you know, whatever kind of fucking bullshit, you know, they've been teaching us in school where we're just, you know, processing information and putting out paper. We're not talking about, you know, critical thinkers, but they have to be, right, in the moment. So he's got to wave a flag at him first, which is a tent pole with a, you know, yellow panel.

And then he can shoot a little pen flare at it. And then he's going to make a, you know, shoot a bigger flare up and then he can shoot rounds over here and then at the ground and then at the motor and then at the windshield and the guy's still coming and then you're allowed to kill him, right? This is why a lot of guys get killed by suicide bombers because a lot of shit has to happen in that moment of time, but we expect them. If he doesn't do that and it happens to be a family full of people,

he's going to jail. It's real simple, right? So anyway, the moral of the story is that we spend a lot of fucking time training. Right. You know, to remediate those kind of issues before they happen, right? That doesn't make sense.

So I used to train cops on the side and a lot of what state department you know the department of state and you know whatever given state in america uses their money for is to to do the hot thing which is give cops active shooter training if they're lucky you know and they get to go through and like shoot with operators and shit like that the idea is to enforce laws not to gun people down the point is is that if you are carrying a firearm on your hip that society has has given you permission to use that thing, to carry it, because they deem it necessary to do your work. The least you can fucking do is know how to implement the tool properly.

And if you can't do that, hang up the uniform. Now, I understand some departments don't give enough shooting time. So you've got to go on your own. You've got to take care of yourself. As an insurance policy, as a life insurance policy, for yourself and your family, learn how to shoot the fucking gun. I see these dudes blasting guys seven, eight, nine times, point blank range. And as far as I'm concerned, as a shooter, there should be one fucking hole. All nine rounds should have went through that one fucking hole, and they should all have been through the fucking heart.

But they're scared. So they just get on triggers. They're scared that they don't have enough training so the guy could close in on them too quick. They're scared about all these things. And these fears are normal. This is like, it's a scary fucking job. It's a scary fucking job. No one saying that they're not put in their life in danger.

again it really comes down to money in education like the more training the more education I feel like it needs to be for driving and getting pregnant you should have tests like like like fucking like hey like this is what it's going to be like when you drive it you know I think it might need to be a little harder and I think even harder for cops like in that role

in the military you have to constantly train constantly train and I'm not saying cops don't but clearly by example by seeing what's going on there's some kind of disconnect and i assume it's training i assume they're not getting enough training or education and it's a very stressful job and when you mix the lack of uh of training and education with the stress and the danger of the job you're going to have these results um and again it's uh i think it's accountability at the very end of the day. Like, what are, who is accountable? And even if a cop is found not guilty for something, when they clearly fucked up. Yeah. That cop should hold themselves accountable. Like that,

our society is so past the buck, you know, like let's, I fuck this up. This is my, you know, let's have some ownership and let's grow as a community. Otherwise, we're going to continue down this road of, uh, uh, of division and hate. Um, and I, you know, there can't be a good, positive outcome the way we're headed right now. Yeah, I mean, I think that's those fucking, you know, people on the right to me just, they seem to be so binary, like something, things are black and white. And I think that like, and it goes with the troops too. The troops and the cops, they can never talk shit about a single one of them because they

think that's an admission of the whole thing is fuck. Like, if they were to talk shit about a police officer doing a bad thing, that would be like, they think that's them saying, fuck off, fuck the cops. And if they talk like, and that's, they would never admit that a troop was bad unless it was like, you know, a troop that became a liberal. Then, of course, whatever they did was an act of war. But like, you know, fuck Chelsea Man and all that shit. But like, like, they can't talk.

Like, every troop was a good, it's kind of like how I used to feel early on about gay people. Like, as a liberal, like, I thought that I had, like, if I met a gay person and they were shitty to me, I couldn't tell that story. Because like every gay person, like, gay people. people must all be great because I support the gas support the LGBTQ and it's taken me a long time to figure out that I can do some gay people are pieces of shit and that that's my yeah gay people are my troops yeah yeah but they can't do it man they can't like if they if one of them if they say hey this cop the cop that killed brianna taylor murderer they're like well if I say that then that's me saying fuck the cops and all my buddies are going to be mad at me and that's so wild that that they like I've

got, I won't name who it is, but I, well, I have, I have several police officer friends. And one of them was, we were talking not long ago. And he was like, I really, man, I've got so many stories that I really wish I could get them off my chest and say this and say this. And blah, blah, I was like, I mean, just do it. Like, it's not like it happened that you're on, you're in your precinct. He's like, no, you don't understand. Like, we, we can't do that. Like, that would not, I would, I would lose my job. And I was like, does that not make you step back and think clearly something, clearly it's systemic if, if I'm afraid of my job just for saying,

hey, by the way, I think murder is bad, even if it was a cop that did it. Like if that, if saying that puts you in jeopardy, then it's fucking, it's clear as day that the whole system is fucked up and, and it's going to happen again.

I don't get it. Their job is to protect and serve, right? Yeah. They're not, and, and, you know, you can,

you can throw up the, I was afraid of my, I was in fear of my life and the life of my fellow officers. Yeah. but like we're like are you just wanting to be a killer because i you know there's definitely a part of me when i joined the marians like i want to go kill bad guys right and if you hang your ethos on that that's going to be you're you're going to see every you know you're going to see everything is that a hammer that sees everyone as a nail right yeah and you can't that as we are supposed to

hold our president to a higher standard. Like these law officers, these peace officers, are supposed to be held to a high standard because their job is such a important part of our community to keep us safe. But when people abuse that and it just totally takes away from all that. And again, like you said, there's, you know, there's shitty people in all, you know, of all creeds, right? Can I just point out that James was a cop in the military? Yeah.

Gross. No, right? Nasty. No, but it's, no, go ahead, Stan. Recruiting, you know, like, I don't know that, I don't know. Like, defunding sounds like, to me, the wrong idea. I think that somebody should spend a lot of frigging money on figuring out how to recruit better officers. You know, like, I don't know what else to do because we can't just, you know, hold the chalk.

off this thing and let it go because right now it's crazy enough looking out there you know something has to be done but I just don't think that we have people anytime you have a force I don't care if 99% of the guys on it are just the best cops in the role when you have a person that doesn't appreciate the gravity of their actions or the fact that this three and a half pound piece of steel on their hip is an implement of lethal force you know And what that actually means that it's not a Turkish shoot, then the whole force, the whole police force suffers. And that's one guy in the entire country, you know. The cops are not a military unit.

They're not all the same. You know, it's not the army. A cop in Detroit isn't on the same unit as, you know, like the cop in Cleveland or whatever. They're all independent little franchises of law enforcement to enforce the policies of that area. So they got to, I don't know. I mean, I think that it, I think, you know, what the fuck do I know about any of this? But I feel like the accountability part is like the single biggest factor in it. It's because they haven't ever really had any for the most part.

So of course we have all these problems. Like we, I mean, it's like that Chris Rock had a great bid on his last standout especially had, which came out way before George Floyd, any of that because it's been a problem for a long time. He was talking about police brutality. And he was like, you know, they always say it's like, look, most cops are good. It's just a few bad apples. And he was like, look, I don't know how to, I don't know what to tell you. Some jobs aren't allowed to have bad apples.

They're just not. He was like, if Delta Airlines came out and said, look, most of our pilots like to land the plane. The vast majority of them like to land. It's just a couple bad apples that fly in the mountainsides. But, you know, it's just, it's like that shit wouldn't fly. It's like there's, if you, a doctor, being a doctor is an extremely stressful job with extremely high stakes. And sometimes shit happens and people die. And it's not your fault. You did the best you could. That happens all the time. But if you're fucking around and people lose their life

because of it because you're not taking the job seriously enough, your ass will lose your license. You won't be a doctor anymore. The same thing happens to lawyers fucking, I mean, you name it. Like they have account of, because we as a society recognized like, we can't have that shit. You can't just have doctors out here fucking killing people. So we hold them accountable and you don't we don't hear these stories about doctors all the time And you know outside of big pharma, but that's the other story. But like cops don't they don't have that. And and what's even more fucked up in my opinion is like it's not like I would say in most cases it's not like the day that dude put his neck on George Floyd's neck that this was the first sign that maybe he might not be a good person.

And like that type of shit, they've known. He had a record. They had, it came out publicly. He had a whole list of prior, like, infractions and investigations of doing shit like that. But even if he had, even if that was his first one, my point is, it's like, there's no way the people around him didn't know this is the type of guy who would do this. Like, that's, that's not something you just wake up and be like, I'm going to do this today. Like, you've had that brewing. You've got some other bad thoughts.

You've definitely shared them. so like at the end of the day like you can't if you're one of those cops you can't be like I just would have never seen it coming from him bullshit get the fuck out of here and also like you know that that's not a pleasant thing to do to someone and

of course deadly like you know that and then yet you watch him implement that so yeah yeah and for eight minutes or whatever it's one thing to like you know knee somebody in the face or whatever and then like an act of passion but like you're sitting you've got

so much time to think I'm choking this motherfucker to death. Like, you didn't just wake up that morning and decide to be that person. You were that guy and you've been a cop and there's no fucking, like you said, he's got the record. But then on the record, like, that's just shit that he got rode up for. Like that shit that they got caught doing. And it didn't matter, by the way. At that point is not on him.

The accountability has to go up. Right. Agreed. Which is a lethal operation. The accountability goes up. upwards. If your private fails in a use of lethal force or for any reason for like losing his night vision goggles or something like that, his squad leader, his platoon commander, possibly the company commander, they all get in trouble. Yeah. If not lose their command and their ranking stuff,

if somebody kills somebody, then it goes all the way up and there's generals. And some general to answer the president or the secretary of defense and say, the reason that I have soldiers on the ground that are fucking up is because I didn't clarify how important it was to not fuck up. All the heads fucking roll. Yeah. You can't just point at Derek Chauvin and say, you know, you've crucified this fucking guy. Like, it's, it goes all the way up, you know? And it's, you can follow that little, you know, political chain all the way up to some

megal-neical, freaking selfish ego bastard at the top of the hill. And, you know, there's Donald Trump right there. And there's no accountability. People have seen over and over this example. Something happens. It's obviously his fault. All he has to say is, no, it's not. Or fake news.

And then the accountability dissipates. Yeah. I mean, how many times as he said, I don't take responsibility for that, blah, blah. It's like, I'm sorry, Jack. That ain't how it works. It don't really matter. And your job is you, you're the fucking head taco, man.

It emboldens the behavior. behavior down to the lowest level, not just cops down to your waiter who's like, I'm sorry to bring your food, here's your check. I'm like, no, hold the fuck on. You know, like it's happening in every level. It's because the leader of the free world free is, it has no accountability. And I think it goes everywhere, you know, and if you want to play military and put on, you know, cool, cool guy special operator pants and your knee pads and your freaking helmets

with the earpieces and shit and run around like you're in special ops, then fucking train, you know? learn how to do your goddamn job. Yeah. Fucking, again, it seems simple. Yeah. All right.

Well, this has been great. We appreciate y'all being here. James Bain. Thank you guys. Thank you guys. Hey, Corey,

how's your butthole? It's, it's, it's, calm down. It's not as minty. I did, halfway through the podcast,

I farted and it kind of smelled like toothpaste. That's fun. Yeah, that's pretty cool. He will absolutely be shoving more things up his butthole.

Yeah, absolutely. He's down the whole experimentation thing going now. Anyway, thank you y'all for listening. We'll see you next week, H.O. Yeah. Skew. Skew. Skew.

Anyway, there it is. Thank you, Lord. All right, guys. Thanks. Love you, mine. You too, buddy. Thanks, Stan. Good to meet you, Stan.

Good to meet you.