wellRED podcast - #197 - The Boxed Wine Blues and SHOVELS AND ROPE!!

Episode Date: December 2, 2020

This week The CHO gets interrogated about his "sobriety" and HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS one of our favorite bands, Shovels and Rope (Cary Ann Hearst and Michael Trent) drops by to talk about being an artist in the time of covid (spoiler:its not the best) get tickets to our live online show---- https://rushtix.com/events/wellred/

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They're the liberal rednecks. They like cornbread, but sex. They care way too much, but don't give a fun. They're the liberal rednecks that makes some people upset, but they got three big old dicks that you can suck. Also, I found out my weather situation is it's fucking snow in here. That's what my... Word?

Yeah, that's what my... God damn. I know, right? I did not see that coming. That's wild. Yeah, it is wild. I mean, it's December, so it ought be. Yeah, but it don't.

I mean, y'all are further south than where I grew up, and even when I was a kid, it almost never snowed before January or February. Yeah, we used... Every now and then it would, but it was rare. And I feel like even further south where you're at, it seems like it would be even more rare. We would always get like, in December, we would usually get like one that was just good enough to justify them canceling school, which is like, honestly, one snowflake. And they were like, fuck. I was about to say, dude, I'm not exaggerating or kidding.

And we're going, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A couple times when I was a kid, Salina canceled school, because it was just so cold. No, yeah, we have two because they were like, well, what did this snows? even because, you know, all those southern schools, they have like snow day allotments, and it's like if it seems like maybe that wasn't going to happen. Because first of all, if it's any, pretty much any snow, like you said, like, yeah, it's over.

And they're going to cancel school. Well, it doesn't matter whether it sticks or not. And then sometimes, some years, I could remember at least a couple of times, they literally canceled school because we're just real, real cold air. Well, it's air. Don't hit. You all. Mama was a teacher.

one thing that I hadn't thought of, she told me this one time. Of course, when I was a kid, it hit no matter what. But, you know, there's like the back roads, different elevations. Basically, it's like, yeah, probably it would have been fine. But these school buses got to go down some roads. And if one school bus wrecks and somebody gets hurt, that could be a problem. No, no, no, it makes sense. In fact, it pisses me off when it pisses me off when northerners are like,

they call us pussies for it. It's like, well, we don't have, it don't make sense for us to buy these big ass salt trucks for it. To have the infrastructure. It makes one more, it makes way more sense for us just to not to go to goddamn school. And on top of that, if y'all, if y'all didn't go to school every time it was some shit, what? It has not due to what you're saying.

You reminded me of something that I hadn't thought of in years that's funny, but go ahead. You were just, you were, you were doing the kind of like, look how dumb he is, grand. No, I was, it'll make sense in a minute. if just, you know, finish the point. Point was if they, if they fucking didn't go to school every time,

like they have to otherwise, they just never go to fucking school. So like, when they got the infrastructure for. That's what I'm saying. They got all that stuff. Yeah. Well,

there's no reason for us to do that. Right. It doesn't make sense economically to spend, you know, municipal dollars on the infrastructure to fuck with snow when we just just go sit there. Yeah, just cancel school.

So when what I remembered was, and it sucks because I know, there's no what this you could never find this anywhere because this was like 2002 i was in high school and it was just it was a local news segment but i always remembered it because i found it funny we had like an actual amount of snow in tennessee for the past couple days whatever right like especially for us like it was a goddamn blizzard basically and it was all they were talking about on the news and they went to cookville right they went to puttum county uh because they were in a crisis of like not being able to deal with it at all they were completely overwhelmed

infrastructure wise or whatever they went to cook well and we're talking to the guy it's like i don't know he's like the highway commissioner or whatever of putnam county and they were interviewing him in this like garage or warehouse or shed whatever where they keep their salt like for the salt truck where i keep all of puttum county salt yeah and at this point it was down to like a throw pillows amount of salt like a comical a comically small a comically small a comically small pile of salt in the floor of like a warehouse. And that's where they're interviewing this guy. And I just, it was killing.

At 16 years old, it was killing me. Because this old boy was just like, in pretty much a dead panic on the news, just pointing at this little bitty pile of salt. Like, that's all there is. That's all we got. It's all we ever get. He's like, we're out. It's like, there ain't no more.

We can't get no more. He's like, that's it. I don't know what they want me to do with that. You know, they're just like flipping out over this salt that you could see. I had to start just scraping them off of crackers. God damn, boy, I don't know what it was. It was so goddamn funny. There's nothing funnier.

I hadn't thought of that in years until this conversation. So that's why I was making that face because that popped into my head and it was cracking me up all over again. There's nothing funnier than an old boy who can't, oh boy, his job anymore. Yeah. It's like, because it's like everything you are as a man is on trial right now. What do you want me to do? My job is to put out the salt, not spread it. I spread it.

I don't order it. buy it. That's somebody else. It's like that fucking... You go down the goddamn city hall, talk to them about this. You won't know why they ain't no more than that. I don't know.

I spread it. That's all I did. Me? I did my goddamn job. It's like that dude in office space. It's like that dude in office space, the dude who ends up getting hit by the car, and he made up the jump to conclusions board or whatever.

But before that, when he's getting interviewed by the Bob's, and they're just like basically trying to figure out what it is that he does. And finally he just snaps. And he's like, look, I'm better. at dealing with the goddamn customers. What do you not get about that? Just that sheer frustration of just like, yeah, my manhood and my livelihood are on trial here.

He took the, he took some information from the engineers. He's like, I take it from the engineers. Give it to the sales people or whatever. It's like, why can't the engineers just take it the cell? They don't have people skills. Yeah, because I'm better at dealing with the goddamn customers. What do you know? God, it's, dude, it's so that whole fucking saying, man.

Johnson McGinley just murders it. But yeah, like, every time I watch that scene, I feel that guy so much because it's just like, look, I can't explain to you what I do. Just understand that I'm necessary. I feel like part of that I say to my wife almost every day. It's a very man thing. I got my manhood put on trial this week, boys.

Uh-oh. By my Bronco. I went to change the oil, and the plug was rusted and, just mush. Like, you know, those plugs are heck so you can get a wrench around it. This thing had been torn up

by the previous owner. And then I realized, even though he told me he changed the oil when he sold it to me, God knows when the oil was changed. So I took it somewhere. They couldn't do it. So I called my dad and asked for advice.

And it was so good. Like, I'm already feeling like I can't get this fucking thing off. I bought new tools. I'm doing this. I call my dad to ask if I can drill a hole in the oil pan and just make a new plug.

and it was so funny because without any hint of like what the hell's wrong with you boy like we move beyond that finally my dad and I'm like I don't live there he finally I'm not saying he respects me but maybe he respects that I don't give a fuck about man shit or something yeah that I think there's something to that with no hint of that with no hint of like what's wrong with you boy he starts talking about all the times he's done manly shit with vice grips he's like he's like he's he's it's almost like disbelief again he's not mad at me he's like

I mean I know you can't get it done I'm hearing you I believe you but like you'll be able to I mean I changed a whole damn tire with a set of ice scripts one time didn't even have a lug nut it was 1993 a storm was coming held it up with his arm he talked to storm his accent got thicker it was like a Jeff Foxworthy meets Tim Allen bit I used your mom's ass as a jack it was easy. Yeah. Yeah, I know that type, I know that level of man that your dad is and like my father-in-law is that and I can't talk to him anymore. I can't talk to him anymore about stuff. Like if we got some- Mine, mine is like, and I, y'all may, I don't know, y'all may be jealous of this, but I feel like this almost makes this particular dynamic worse. Mine, my father-in-law,

I'm talking about, because he's also very much that he's a fucking man's man and Katie reminds me of it constantly. And me too. And, uh, and, uh, you know what I mean? You don't have many times. I said how many books that motherfucker wrote? How many books that motherfucker wrote? But he don't, and I don't know how your father-in-law is, Corey, but like that thing that Drew just, that story Drew told about his dad, that's real, that's funny.

My father-in-law's not like that. He just like, is that. Yeah. He don't ever say it. Like, I don't know, I don't know what I'm trying to say. He don't rub it in my face. Right. Dad would rub it in my face.

It almost makes it worse. Yes. It's just like, but it just so very much is who he is. It's like, and everybody knows. It's like he don't say it because he ain't got to say it. That's my dad. Like I need you to understand. Dad don't rub this in my face.

He was trying to express to me how bad this boat must be without kind of realizing until he got going and I started laughing that the subtext was I was an idiot. Like he wasn't saying you idiot. Yeah. He was like, man, you really? Like he felt bad for my situation. He was like, damn, man. I'm like, you know, Viscuits usually work, you know? And I was like, yeah, the subtext series I'm an idiot,

but I want y'all in the audience to know I got the motherfucker off and immediately sent my dad a picture. I just sent you all the pictures I sent my dad. Yeah, I think it's worse our situation, right, because Danny's like that too, but I think it's because he maybe starts to tell me some stuff like that. And then in his mind, he just goes, this little pussy ain't going to know half these words I say.

What is it? What does it matter? Like, what is it? I could sit here all day and tell him all this shit, but he don't know. He has no fucking idea. It's like he doesn't, it's like he doesn't even waste his time, like, pretending that I know about, that I know about this stuff. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Something comes up while we're at my in-laws. He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't. No, he doesn't. It's like, like, Corey said, it's like he don't even, he don't even waste any time pretending, like, he thinks that I might know any, or be useful at all.

Like, Katie will try to get, I've been there before. expensive shit going on. She'll try to get me to help him. And I'm like, you don't let me help him? Like, and, and, and, and he don't, you know, not right. He's not at all a dick about it. It's just like, it just, it is, it is what it is. Yeah, yeah, we're speaking different languages. I know what time it is, you know. That is worse, because dad wasn't being a dick, but he does respect me enough to engage with me as if it's our problem. You know what I mean? Like, he, instead of saying, you can't do it, he was like, shut, son, I don't know. You know, that just sounds like, why.

wild to me. So yeah, I think it is worse. Yeah, it doesn't blow my father-in-law's mind how much I don't hit. He got it from day one. Dude, I mean, he was one of my teachers in high school. Although, I just realized the end of that story is I got it all done without getting too much into it. There was plastic in my old oil. Like, I drained it out and there was plastic in it. And I sent that picture to Dan, and I called him. I was like, what the the fuck is this, you know? Long story short, the brand new plastic container I bought to put the oil in when you drain it, it's a common thing.

I checked on the internet and everybody was like, yeah, these things have plastic down in them. So when you dump your oil out, you see plastic, you're like, that came out of my motor. But no, it came out of the black plastic container. You put it in, you moron. You just put it in a black plastic container. Yeah, I sent my dad that like, hey, don't worry about that anymore. Look, I'm an idiot.

He just didn't reply. So maybe he remembered that he didn't respect me as a man. Yeah, I think, I think Danny 100% as a human being, like, because he's constant, I don't know, it's wild because, like, I love Danny so much because sometimes when we'll be out to eat or like, you know, something he'll, I can see on his face when he's, he's trying to ask me stuff about my career that, like, I know he wrote down these three questions before he left the house.

I was like, okay. I'm on. But like, but that's, but that's, but that's sweet. No, no, I'm saying. Like, that's sweet. That's really sweet. Like, I know he's trying to connect with me and like, this is the only way that we can connect. And then, like, I try to ask him something about what it is that he does.

And then he'll start talking. And then he immediately sees just the blankness in my face when I'm just like, oh, God, I don't, it's got to be level. That's all I can tell you. It's got to be level, them houses. But, yeah, like, I don't think that he's, I think that he's gotten to a place now where He's like, Danny, Corey, just don't do this type of stuff. He brings worth to the table. It's just not in your traditional penis having sense that he's good at stuff.

He's, you know, he's our little merry, but he's fine. And he provides for my daughter. Now, if they had an intruder, they're both getting killed. But financially, he provides for my daughter. I think that's where he's at. It's what sports are for. Yeah, right. Yeah, it definitely helps.

but I get to, I feel like maybe we talked about this on here before, but if we did, it was really a long time ago, so I'm going to get into it a little bit anyway, but I get really defensive about it, though, with Katie still a lot of times because, like, I don't, like, I have rationale for all this shit, and here's what I mean, like, back in, like, earlier on in our marriage and our relationship,

but the boys were just born and I just started the DOA and stuff, and money was much tighter and whatnot. I changed, I used to, when shit came up on the cars, like, I did them. Yeah, I would do it. Look at it. I did it. Got that both off.

Yes. Right. I mean, that one time, Corey, when I had to borrow your truck to go to that Gallup Festival, because I broke down in Dalton or whatever. Yeah. I changed the alternator in my truck the next day in the parking lot of the fucking auto zone or whatever, and then drove it back home, and it was fine after that, because that was like the second or third time I've done an alternator.

I've done breaks. I changed the fucking fuel pump on K's old Jeep grain chairkeeper, which required removing the entire fuel tank. It wasn't a small fucking job. So I fired up on getting. She was present for all these things. she was present for all these things. And all I do is it's just like following a recipe or whatever to me.

It's like you can look it up. They have books. They have YouTube. Like you can look up how to do this stuff. And you just follow the instructions and you can do it. So like the arrest. I didn't know how to do a single one of those things before I did it. And every time I did it just fine.

So I have the capacity to do that type of shit. But I've never done any house work or house maintenance at you know what I mean. Something for folks up in the house. I've never fixed any of that. You know why? Because you rent. ever rented. We've only ever rented and that's part of how that works. Like I don't understand, but Katie, she doesn't see it that way. She's like, oh, we can fix it. We don't have to bother

the landowner. I'm like, fuck them. That. That's, that's, that, yes, that's part of their job. Like they, like, and that's my whole right. So I refuse on principle, boys, when it's something in the house. I'm like, I'm not doing that, Katie. I'm not. That's, that, I refuse on principle to do that. It's not because I can't. I just won't. Yes. No, I'm with you, dog. We got some more money. It was the same way with the car. Like, if the Jeep fucks up, it's like, no, I probably could fix this,

but I don't want to, I'll take it to a professional, and they'll do a better job quicker, and I'll get it back. I do think that generation looks down on that attitude. You know what I mean? Not the landlord one, but that one. There's like, maybe because they grew up poor, I think they just grew up doing it. They just grew up good.

They just grew up good. Yeah. I mean, when I was. The thing is I did too. I, that's what I'm saying. I used to, like, I would do it. Yeah. I used to do it with my grandpa before he died, and then I started doing it, my damn self.

And I used to do all that, but once I got to a point where, like, it didn't make me sick at the stomach to think about paying a mechanic $253 or whatever. Once I got to that point, I was like, fuck it. Let him, that's his job. That's what he exists for. Right. Like, I bet your father-in-law knows all that on some level, because when he talks, your eyes don't glaze over and Katie is no whole reason you think that he don't like have that.

I bet he's just like, yeah, that's why he don't talk to you about it. He's just like, yeah, Tray knows. I mean, dude, Amber's dad like, first off, he lives five doors down from us pretty much. He's always driving around. And for the record, that man legitimately loves fixing shit more than anything. Like, I'm not saying that to justify how much we call, which one we went, we literally only call them if something fucks up, but like he, dude, when we go on vacation and shit,

like no doubt. When we used to go on vacation, he would just, we'd be at somebody else's goddamn condo and he'd just start fixing their shit. Like for real, he'd just start fixing their stuff. God damn, that ain't it.

You know, he'd fucking work on it. But like, so like, when we have something big that fucks up, like, why would I try my unprofessional ass at it? When I know he'll come goddamn do it.

And furthermore, if he wanted to like write, his girlfriend, a goddamn love poem, he'd probably holler at me, you know, to help him out with that. Like, I'm good at words. I know a queer. I mean, I mean, dude, for real, that's it. Like, it's not like I'm not capable. It's not capable. We need to start a program. I know a queer. That's our Patreon. Yeah, match, match, matching pap balls. That's fucking funny. But, man, like, I mean, it's like I can't do anything.

it was not like I can't do anything when me when me and Amber lived together like the whole year and a half two years we lived together I fucking painted houses and worked on a goddamn sandblaster and was like on a cherry picker every day of my life and then when we fucking got together finally I was literally I was working construction I mean I was all labor but like I still had to cut shit and measure it so it's not like I can't do anything. I can tell by the rhythm I can talk about the rhythm of this speech that you've done it a lot to Amber said this. You said, yeah, I worked on a cherry picker, and I used to Sam Black. Yeah, I can tell that this is a monologue.

Yeah, I've got the word economy down the fucking pat. All that shit I said earlier, I have also said to Katie countless times. It don't matter. I don't know if Andy, I think Andy knows for sure I'm not as manly as her dad. And that's true. I mean, the motherfucker lost a lung in a war. Right. You know what I mean?

I don't know how she feels otherwise. I don't know. Andy! You think I'm a man? She took her head like this. Amber. But honestly, it looks sexual. Do you think I'm a man? She ain't.

She didn't answer. No, she said, huh? And then I asked it and she didn't say shit. No comment. She just played the fifth. Hey, I would play along. Hey, speaking of manly things. Uh-oh.

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months or however long, three or four short months. We're going to do it again and it's going to be all brand new material, all relevant and, you know, just it'll hit. It will hit. It will be. Text.com and check us out, December 12. Yeah, man, I'm super excited about it. And if you're wondering whether or not you should get tickets to that show, December 11th is my birthday. So if for anything, do it as a birthday present for your boy. Birthday present for the show.

Oh, that's the point to show. Don't make the buttercream dream cut a promo on your ass. I'd hate to see it. I wouldn't too. Which, by the way, you can get over at Cameo. There you go. Check him out. Check her blood on Cameo.

Yeah, as Cho also said during the intro, I assume, we've got a little bit later in this episode, a wonderful conversation with shovels and rope, a root truck Americana, just all around hitting ban from Charleston, South Carolina. So that's coming your way shortly. But first, before we get to that, I wanted to at least do a brief update on Cho's health, as we've been doing somewhat frequently lately because I know that you had quite a reset this weekend, if I'm not mistaken. Biggest one so far.

Yeah, so why don't you tell us about that and the aftermath because you seem to be barely alive yesterday. And this is based on just on text. He sent like maybe three texts. He ignored a million and all he said was something about how dead he felt. And he just like, I could feel his deadness through the text. text medium even. So I would like to hear about the experience. I guess I miss those because the gaps between the text. I really thought you had like gone into a retreat or you were

meditating. I didn't even realize you had let us know, dude. Oh no, completely opposite man. Like most of the time if I'm ignoring the group chat, it's just because I'm rude. I'm rooting. I'm rooting. I don't even what I was trying to say. I'm recording. I'm recording my critically acclaimed podcast through the screen door. We have odd hours and we record a couple days. We but yeah, if I'm so fucking dead that even with my phone in arms reach just from the couch, I could, dude, I was so fucking hung over. I couldn't even read y'all's text. Like my eyes were dried out.

Like, so what happened was, um, was it wine? Yep. I drank an entire box of chardonnay. That's like five bottles. Here's a problem with that. Yeah, buddy. Is that what it's? Franzia or like boat a box?

Bota box. No, actually, boat a box is a little less. It's a little less. Yeah, yeah. No, Franzia. That's a job there. Yeah. Yeah.

That's your wine. Or drink more wine and that old boy had salt. Yeah, dude. I mean, but so yeah, I guess you're right. Boda box is probably more like three and a half bottles, but do, still. Still. So, yeah, like I hadn't drank in, I hadn't drank in about three weeks. I was feeling good.

And again, for those of you that are just catching up on this journey, that I'm on. I've decided that I like being sober, but I've found that about three weeks is when you sort of level out and sobriety just becomes the norm and you aren't really feeling the benefits anymore. So every three weeks, I like to get absolutely slaughtered or drunkard and fuck and remind myself of how much I like being sober instead.

And I've always kind of had the fear of like, well, dude, one of these days, like, you're going to remember how much you like being drunk. It's what's going to happen. And so far, it could not be further from the truth. But Saturday, man, like, I almost didn't have a choice. Mike Tyson was fighting. Snoop Dog was commentating. Dude, so, like, it was one of the end that started out. Like, I had a glass and I was like, you know what?

I think I'm fine with just this. nice glass, we'll just take it easy tonight. There's no point, hey, listen, just because you're resetting doesn't mean that you have to feel absolutely terrible tomorrow. And then Snoop Dog got on commentary and said, oh shit, fam, this is like watching my uncles fight at the barbecue. And I was like, oh, this is going to be lit. And so I got turned up, man, like Snoop Dog started performing.

He did gin and juice. I think Wiz Khalifa was there. I don't even remember like I was so goddamn hammer. It was just like super hype. And it was one of those like, you know, when you listen to country music or you start watching real violent shit, it's like your throat gets like a couple inches wider. You know, all the shit just pours down it so much easier. I drank that whole goddamn box. And then I took, I ate 20 milligrams of weed mistake.

Oh, my God. Word. Did you say 20? 20. But my thing is, and this is true, we'd, if I'd been stone cold sober and I ate 20 milligrams of weed, I'd had to go to the hospital. But when I add it to drunk, it just makes me more drunk. And I sat up after the fight and I watched Christmas vacation and I just fucking laugh. Boy, I laughed my.

Did you get nauseous or the stands? Not till the next, no, I went and I thought everything was good. I went to bed and I woke up and vomited twice harder than I've ever vomited in my life. Like I thought it was just going to be like a little, and I, dude, I about took off the toilet. lid like fucking bow and a knob sore yeah oh yeah first time in years um uh yeah man uh no it was fucking bad and then so i puked and i woke up like seven in the morning vomiting then i got back in bed and i couldn't get out of bed to a three o'clock in the afternoon and i don't mean like i was asleep i meant like if i moved in any direct like i had to lay perfectly

still or it felt like um people were literally just like smashing my head like just is it It's the worst hangover I think I've ever had in my life. And I finally got in the shower and I drank like a whole half a bottle of CBD oil, which got me too fucked up. And I took some of dirt and then I puked all that up. I took some of my dogs. I don't know how strong your CBD is. This is yesterday.

Yeah. Well, it, Anyone not versed. That's the CBD overdose. Yeah, yeah. Well, and the dirt too. Because I didn't eat. It was one of them hangover.

You know, like I always say, I get two, two types of hangover. over. It was like, one is like bottomless pit, can't eat enough. This one was I couldn't stomach anything. So I took the CBD and a bunch of dirt on. It was the dirt that did it. And also some of my dogs cough medicine, I drank that. Yeah, yeah. Fuck yeah. Like, lean. Yeah, like, it was lean. It was lean. Because I couldn't fucking find, I finally did find our Advil, but I literally couldn't find it. And I was like, dear God. And I looked and I was like, fuck, man. And I was like, fuck, man. And I was like, Abbeville and I was like, fuck it, why not permetazine?

Yeah, no, no doubt. So like I took, I just took my dog's cough syrup that has, that lean that has hydrocodone in it and all for not because I ended up fairly immediately vomiting, vomiting all that up. And then I laid on the couch in sorrow for a couple hours until I called Amber and she was gone and I was like, where are you at? I need you bring me some motherfucking food like right now. and she's like, I won't be home for another two hours. And I was like, okay, so I had Fazoles delivered to my house, the classic sampler.

I ate half of that puked. And then I ate the rest later, but at that point, at that point I'd puked enough to where I was kind of back to even. And I drank a lot of water, so it ended up being fine. And I'm actually okay today. Normally that type of hangover would definitely creep in. into the next day, but I think I puked it all up and I stayed hydrated. Also, I've drank like a whole pot of coffee this morning. So it's not been good.

And I can't wait to be sober for three more weeks. Was it the abyss? You covered it at the end. I was going to ask the, like, because for me, a hangover on that level, which like, frankly, I don't, I can remember the last time I had a hangover to that degree. That's intense. But I, at this stage of my life, a hangover that bad would absolutely.

continue into even the following day. I'm not saying I felt perfect this morning. You know, like it was... Go ahead. Was it the abyss today or yesterday? Yesterday. Oh, yesterday I was very depressed. I was super depressed.

And I had to like, I had to, I didn't do the CBD overdose situation, but I definitely was like every two to three hours was taking another dose to kind of even myself out. And I definitely had to like multiple times yesterday. had to like out loud go, uh, it's your endorphins. Everything's fine. Everything's like, like outlaw, like, like, dude, tomorrow's, you're going to be fine. Like, you know what this is. Like, what is the common denominator in the fact that you haven't really been depressed for three, you've been really happy for three weeks. And then this happened. Like, you know this is what this

is. There was a lot of anxiety because, uh, I've got a lot of Mondays like our, Monday's a really busy day for me. We do this podcast. I've got my other podcast and I also do some pre-recorded skits for that. Um, and I had a bunch of cameos. that I'd put off and it was one of those things where I just had to realize like, dude, you can't do this shit no more. You can't because you spend all day drinking, there's 24 hours gone and then you're hung over, there's 24 hours gone. You can't fucking give up 48 hours of your life without the next day.

You're going to be anxious this whole week because everything's stung the fuck off. So congratulations, you fucking dumbass. You've done this again. So like, I don't know. Right, but that's your goal, isn't it? It is the goal with the reset. Yeah, I think I'm going to remind yourself of that. I think I'm going to do four weeks this time.

time. Okay. I mean, three is good, but like, you said it, but I want to hear more about at the end of the three or four weeks, what's going on where you want to tempt the hangover gods? Well, it's like a, no, to me, it's like, this is like part of like, this sounds like an addiction. It's like the first four to five days of getting sober feel like a drug. And I miss that. There's a reason it sounds like an addiction. addiction. But I feel like though, if I can literally discipline myself to go three weeks, that's at least like good. Like I'm at least, you know. Oh, for sure. But you're saying you're starting to get addicted to the swing now. I'm addicted to the swing like, because I didn't even really,

I don't think that I was, the whole time I was drinking the wine, I was like, I don't think I'm having any more fun than I would be if I was sober or just a little high watching the fight. Because like, dude, the past three weeks, I've had, I've had a, there's not, there's not been one night that I was like, that I had to be like, okay, nope, you still can't drink. Like, At no part in the three weeks. I think this is important for me. At no part in the three weeks was I sitting there looking forward to drunk day. You know what I'm saying?

This is so spectacular. What I'm hearing is you have gleaned no benefits from drinking. You realize you need to do it for your career, your health, and your happiness. But just so you can feel the opposite of hungover for three days. Every few weeks, you're like, yeah, but being sober don't hit as much anymore. For sure. I don't know. Phenomenal.

You just even out. You even out. And also you get to get drunk. And I mean, the getting drunk part does hit. So you did have fun getting drunk. I had fun getting drunk, but I remember consciously being like, I don't think I'm having enough fun from what I know is going to happen tomorrow. Like, it's always easy when you have the hangover to be like it wasn't worth it.

But I remember actively like while I was drinking being like, this isn't enough to where tomorrow is not going to feel like a huge fucking letdown. Like it, it suck, man. Like, and I've also realized, like, so much of my depression and anxiety is just, like, partying too much and lack of sleep and, like, I still have it. Like, it still, it's not like when I'm completely sober. There's not days or moments where I'm like, the void creeps in. But, like, it's so infinitely less.

And, like, I'm just fucking sick of feeling that way. Like, it sucks. It's no fun. It's less frequent for me. But when the anxiety does come and I've been sober for two or three weeks, I've noticed that it's bad. It's like, oh,

these are my real feelings or whatever. Trey, I want to ask you about this. Corey, you don't do dirt much. I do now.

Okay. For the past about three or four weeks I've dirted every day. Well, I've stopped one way, I haven't been drinking hardly at all,

too, and the one way that I can do it is to not ever dirt when I do drink. Oh, yeah, because of what you just talked about. If I take dirt,

when I drink, there's a zero percent chance I'm having one or two. There is no part of me that goes, okay, but is this fourth beer worth it? Because of tomorrow, every part of me goes, I'm doing what I want. I feel good. Yeah. Yeah, and for the record, I think it should, you know, just to be transparent here, I think that's a large reason why I'm like, I don't think I'd be having any more fun because like dirt makes me feel good.

Like dirt, I could just hang out. But it doesn't lower you, but it doesn't lower your inhibition? in terms of drinking? No, I mean, oh, you mean, if I take dirt and then decide to drink? Right. Oh, you mean if you take dirt by itself, it helps, it makes it easier not to drink because you feel good. I think maybe, well, I didn't, I didn't like initially mean that, but now that I'm thinking about it's like, well, dude, it's not like you bet, you know, you can't count it stone cold sober if you're fucking doing dirt. But like, yeah, to me, I'll take a little dirt. And you know what? And this is weird because I used to feel this way too. maybe it's a different type of dirt that I got now.

You remember our whole thing on like, you know, if you dirt once, it's hard to re-dirt. Like you can't. Well, to me, I found out I like kind of low-dose dirt all throughout the day and then take the bigger one at night. And like pretty much all day, I feel like the feeling I will equate it to like a two and a half coffee

buzz all day. You know what I mean? But like not, but without the jitters. Like it feels like a cleaner type of energy, which I'm fucking so about. Like I pretty much. only have my morning coffee now.

And that's almost primarily to shit. And then the rest of the day, it's just like every two to three hours, I take three to four dirt capsules. And I'm fucking solid focus. Like, dude, used to, in order for me to do,

like, if I ever had, like, work that I had to do, like, editing a bunch of stuff or whatever, I almost convinced myself, like, well,

you have to take a fucking Adderall, otherwise you ain't going to do it. And now, like, that's with dirt. That's just, not the case. I'm fucking laser focus on everything. I feel better. And then I will say this. The one thing that's really not healthy about my current situation is that I go to bed earlier

because I like to get up early in the morning, but the dirt kind of keeps me up. So I am having to fucking like hammer some sleeping pills every night, which I know ain't good. There it is. There it is. I mean, it's, hey, it's not ambient or nothing. Only the show's sobriety journey includes like All these drugs. Dogling, dirt all day long. I do have to pound some sleeping pills to. It's good he's PM too.

Like it's the most trucker fucking. That shit works, boy. That shit. I would hear you talk about dirt and booze and the interplay. But I also want to say related to what you just said, halfway through that I remembered his bit. Yeah. Where he very innocently without realizing why it was funny.

He was talking about, I've been sober lately, and you know what makes it easier? Doing mushrooms. Doing mushrooms, yeah. You ever been sober on mushrooms, hips? Before we move on, I want to tell you what the gas station lady said to me when I last bought goodies p.m. She was sitting there talking to me with her mask on her bottom lip, so almost.

She's also putting the germs on the mask into her mouth. Yeah, so it's real, real close. And I put, I put like five packets of goodies, PM up there, and she just looked at me. This is a corporate gas station, too, by the way. Like, they got rules. And she's looked at me and she goes, boy, you better have your goddamn ass one foot in the fucking bed. You hear me?

I was like, because it works. I was like, yes, ma'am, I use this all the time. She's like, all right, beep. But like, just so cavaliered, you know, just said exactly that. I told you all that, go on after this, because I have no point to say. saying this other than it's a gas station lady screaming. But you all remember that time I told you that I walked into a gas station as this guy was walking out of the gas station.

And the only thing I heard was that the gas station lady go, and fuck Kyle Bush. That crack me up. They'll just say, and that was also like that was a Mapco. Like that was some corporate shit. It wasn't like mom and pop gas station. I run this motherfucker like she was wearing a name tag. You know what I'm saying? That reminds me of the only, the only altercation.

I've ever seen it. I haven't been to Bonneroo in years, but I went to five straight Bonneros, and it's like all peace and love and shit for the most part. And the only altercation ever saw there was I saw this dude being, I didn't see the initial altercation. I just saw this like fucked up guy being drug away by security from this other dude. And they drug him right beside me.

And as they were drugging him away, the dude screams at the guy had been fighting. He goes, oh yeah, oh yeah. Well, fish fucking sucks. Got it. Got his ass. It's always hit for me as a memory. Dirt. Yeah, you know, I like that, that Randy Quaid clip that I share frequently. I've been saying it. I've been saying it for 10 damn years.

But when you take it, is it harder not to drink. It is for me. No, no. But, but I, but, oh, wait, hold on. Yeah, are you saying like, we take it harder not to drink, meaning do I crave alcohol? You don't mean that. You mean if I'm drinking, if I'm dirt and I'm drinking, and I'm drinking. is it hard to not just go off? I want you to answer both, but it's both for me. No, to the first one, no. As a matter of fact, when I first got to fucking around with Cratum years ago,

it was insanely helpful to me in cutting back on drinking and stopping drinking for a while and shit like I did. Like to the point where I was like telling Thompson and whoever else like that that was the ticket, but I realize now it doesn't, it don't work that way for everybody, but it helped me stop drinking and drink less tremendously because of what Corey said earlier, it's like the dirt makes me feel fine enough that I don't need the booth.

But having said that, since I've gotten my drinking very, very completely under control and have a good handle on my relationship with dirt, you know, it does hit for me to do both and I don't. Both hits. both does hit like when we have shows on the road it's both every time buddy it's both every time and i don't feel like cradham makes me less capable of pulling back or stopping after only a couple drinks or whatnot i mean maybe

but i don't think it's that pronounced of a thing i just started you said that and i started thinking about having three drinks taking some dirt and then murdering on a show and my pulse quick and god damn uh i think that dirt just gives me a lot of what Kat Williams referred to as the fuck it. When he was talking about how black people need to smoke more weed because it gives you the fuck it, I think my thing with dirt is just once I start to feel good and now I can't talk myself out of feeling good.

I want to feel better. I know a beer will feel good and I know another beer will feel good, you know. Yeah, I get that. Well, I don't know. Should we go out of the interview now? I think we should. Yeah. Now that we've forayed through our consciousness of alcoholism and depravity, welcome our guess.

Yep. Joe, are you going to, I apologize for doing this on the mic here, but are you going to, you're going to have a thing up top about them or you want to do a thing now? How do you want to do it? Let's do both. Okay. So, well, as we mentioned earlier, our guest today is shovels and rope. Shovels and Rope are an American folk duo from Charleston, South Carolina, composed of husband and wife, Michael,

Trent and Carrie Ann Hurst. They're a hell of a good time. We have a good time with them. They've got some fun stuff coming up. They talk about at the end, and yeah, it was a good conversation. Yeah, absolutely. When the world starts back up, check them out live because it's incredible, but their albums are great too.

Yeah, and we are incredibly sincerely honored to have them because we do not hit, and they very much hit. So I don't know why they decided to bring themselves down to this level. maybe I think they think people listen to us or something maybe they're horribly misguided but it was tremendous for me and I'm not going to tell them otherwise. Hey fuck I'm wearing me a goddamn shovels and rope hat right now boy skew you are son. I bet. I fuck I wanted to tell carry in that if you go on a if you go you can play as the buttercream dream on W.W.E. 2K or whatever the fuck one it is and buttercream dream is wearing the shovels and rope hat that the person is created in there which is pretty fucking.

rad. So anyways, here's the interview. So yeah, it, it, it sucks. Ladies and gentlemen, great day on the well-read podcast here. We are thrilled, humbled, shocked, I believe, I would say. We have Carrie Ann Hurst and Michael Trent from Shovels and Rope, everybody. What's up, guys? Hello. Yeah, look there, there they are. I can't believe y'all let us cut. I sneak on to Twitter sometimes basically just to see what y'all are doing and to see and then I asked if we could come on the podcast and I thought I was being presumptuous but you guys were suspiciously welcoming. Yeah, I don't know if you know, but usually it's just us three idiots. So this is a nice, a nice welcome. So where are you guys at right now? You're in, you're at your studio in Charleston?

In Charleston, yeah, our studio is behind our house. So we're, we're, we're back here. in our backyard. I'm pretty sure the first time I ever saw y'all was in Charleston, and that was special because I know, I don't think y'all are from there, but y'all like came of age there as a band. Is that right? And met there, right?

Yeah, here's what I've read. Here's what I know. It's Carrie Ann, you were born in Mississippi, raised in Nashville, and went to college in Charleston, which is the Southern Hat Trick. How? Ask me if I'm country.

Come at me. So did you all meet in Charleston when you were going to school there? Well, I was actually after school, pretty much graduated, was playing in bars, and I had a cool bar band going. And this is a very small town, and Michael's band moved to town. Circumstances of touring kind of made a good place for them to live and work. And all the girls took notice of the new boys in town. And we all, all of our bands made friends with each other. And we ended up falling for each other.

And then we got married started a band. Yeah. Well, the tale is old This time, but y'all, how are y'all doing you know, with everything so far? Because we've talked about this on the podcast a lot, and we will have guests every now and then,

and they tend to be musicians, which is awesome as far as we're concerned. But, you know, any kind of live performers, because it's true for comedians, too, but especially for musicians, I bet particularly hard by the pandemic, because what we do is, like, largely illegal now in a lot of places or in most forms.

And it's been that way for a long time at this point and may still be that way for quite a bit longer. So I'm just wondering how y'all are dealing with all that. We haven't been, I don't know, we haven't done anything. You know, we've been trying to work a little bit in the studio. We actually did make a couple of records. And I'm working on music with some other folks doing some production work. but mostly we are just like hardcore parenting. Yeah.

Hardcore. What's the situation there? What's the parent situation? We have, well, we are parents and we have a little dude that's almost two and a girl that just turned five. And it's, I don't even know. I feel numb. I don't know what to.

Yeah, yeah. No, I have to. I'm also a parent. I have two boys that are eight and nine. Well, they're just about to be eight and nine in a couple weeks. The second one will turn eight. So they're only 13 months apart. So nearly Irish twins and two boys and they're fucking lunatics and they've been, you know,

in the same house with them for months now. But I mean, I'm glad there's two of them, though. One of them staring at me through the back door right now. Hey, what are you doing? They just turned around and went back inside. Okay. Just trying to buck your shit up. We'll see you later.

Right. Was you busy? Anyway, but I wonder, like, because, and this actually gets into some other stuff I wanted to ask you guys about, how did you all used to handle that in the before times? Because you're in the same band, you tour together and everything, you know, like, how do you handle being a parent with that situation? Because my wife is a civilian. She's not in the comedy industry at all.

So when I got on the road, she's here with them. How did you guys handle that? Well, it's been amazingly. easy in the sense that, you know, there's no truancy officer looking for your eight-month-old or your two-year-old running around. Right. So we basically were at a point when we had babies where we were on a tour bus, and we just filled that tour bus with crew who loved the kids and we're down to do it. And everybody's kind of on the same page.

Like, it's kind of great. Like, not that important of a, like, financial concerns that anyone that ever say, please don't have children and screw this up for everybody. Right. But we've basically just dragged them all over everywhere we've ever been until now. And Louis was in preschool and she'd go to preschool and then going towards, she'd come with us, you'd be in and out. And we were going to, how are we going to educate our kids?

Like when they turn, you know, go to kindergarten, you have to be accountable to the state to some degree, like that you're making sure, you know, get there learning and everything. and we're coming to the crux of that. And then the pandemic happened. And we were like, well, everybody's in the same boat we are. We're going to do some virtual learning and some. We've got to really spend time with our kids now. We just like pass them off on the nanny.

We have to do it. What is the education of a five-year-old? That sounds so much more daunting to me, ignorantly. I don't have kids than like a nine-year-old. Because with a nine-year-old in my head, at least, I'm like, well, I remember how to add. But I don't even know what you do for a five-year-old. It's all manners and kindness and learning to spell and reading stuff. And, like, identifying every pest, every bug that lives in the yard,

become an expert, which is good, you know. We just negotiate hardcore with Hershey's. All we do is negotiate with terrorists. I get it. Oh man. It makes me really proud later, you know, but when we're in the thick of it, it's just like, it's just like beats you down. There's no, you know, you can be having like a regular argument, you know, facts going back and forth. And then because she's five, she can just say whatever she wants and just turn the whole thing on it,

side and then you're like what and um and you can't win there's no yeah it's like arguing with a born again christian i find it's the same it's out of nowhere they're like well it's mysterious i don't know what to tell you fuck yeah they can pull that card out whenever we've talked to other people before that you know lived on the road and stuff a tour but they were um like they were in a relationship but not with someone in their band, right, was just someone else. And they were talking, they said how like at the beginning of the pandemic, oh, it's kind of nice. I'm actually spending time with my wife now for the first time in forever.

And then, but, you know, as the months went on, it's like, but that kind of, I'm kind of over that. I'm trying about me, by the way. I'm talking about all of us, but also like just Tony Camel was saying a version of that from Wood and Wire when he was on here and we were talking to him. But you guys, obviously, none of that applies. to y'all because when you're you know you work together so has it i don't know has it altered your dynamic at all just how different everything is or you're not able to tour like how's it affected you

as a couple this is the motion like we're not we never get any sleep and we haven't for years whether you know on tour at home we never ever sleeping but we've had a lot of time to think about why we're not sleeping and question why we're not sleeping and attempt to address it but we don't never actually get any sleep. That's really the only other thing that's different. I mean, because life is basically like we're always not sleeping. We're just not sleeping at home instead of on the tour. We've,

it's, there's been so much time. You know, there's been, my thought I'd divide and conquer our day all throughout. We're just like, there's hours where I'm the number one parent and hours. He's the number one parent and each of us has office hours.

There's just like a lot of going back and forth like the, regimen is definitely something that exists at home. And on tour has its own regimen, as you know. You live by loading and load out and catering availability out there. But here it's, you know, not we're living what I suspect is like civilian life, you know, like nine to five kind of. What about the creative aspect of being in a band as a couple? Like, did that kind of come, did that come naturally, organically?

how do y'all balance the who does what? Like you just kind of Michael has ideas and you go with that, Kerry or you have yours and he, you know, adds to it. Or how do you got to split all that up? We do, I mean, I guess as far as studio stuff, I take care of most of like the recording aspect of what we do. But, you know, writing and just bringing songs to the table, we both, you know, bring songs and bounce it off the other one.

And sometimes it's like, hey, I got a whole song. Check it out. Or it's like, hey, I got like a little nugget of a, I have a verse or a chorus or something. You want to pick it up from here and see what you can do with it. At the beginning, maybe it was a little bit, you know, not as natural because we'd both just been the bosses of our own things, you know, up to that point. and um but then we decided to do this together it was like uh you know we kind of navigate that a little bit like whose whose job is what and then um but now it feels really it's really natural

easy is it natural and easy uh for either of you with other people or is it mostly just with each other that you're able to do that oh i have so far i've never really been able to write with anybody successfully yet. I have some co-writes with some good friends of mine, like people I grew up with, but like in a commercial sense, I've never really had much experience with that, but Michael's done quite a bit of it.

Yeah, I like taking, like if somebody's stuck, I like to kind of pick it up and see if I can finish something for them or help them finish it. Um, that's like producer brain. Are you very funny? Because I could use a lot of that. No. It's super boring.

Yeah, we, we all have a bunch of stuff that really needs to be finished. We started the shit out of it. Yeah. You got a sibling who does comedy or something. I don't know. That's, actually, that's interesting. Do you guys ever collaborate on, on comedy? Or is that just like a one person?

Is that just you and your mind? It's usually a one person thing. but like comedians do. I think stand-up. Yeah, I think it depends on, like stand-up comedy is almost always pretty individualistic for the most part. But all the other types, like we've done sketches and shit together, scripts together. Like, there's a bunch of other types of trying to be funny. And a lot of those other ones are extremely collaborative.

That don't mean that you're great at that or enjoy it all the time or whatever. But a lot of them will definitely work that. stand up though too like kind of like what you were saying and like maybe you didn't maybe it wasn't like a true all the way co-write you just kind of pick something up and finish it there are times when like when you're writing a joke uh everybody has different rules but like usually it it feels like it takes about 50 times telling that joke at least before you're like all right this is it I got it this how I got it and sometimes you'll like you've got it but you're like it just needs something and one of these guys will like throw you a tag that you didn't think of like you'll come in the back and

they'll be like, hey, what if you said this instead of this or this instead of this? So, like, in that sense, like, comics are always throwing each other tags. Like, hell, comedians that you'd barely even know each other, if you're doing a show, just feel such carte blanche to come up to you and be like, if you said this would be funnier. And a lot of times they're right. And we use them. So, like, it is collaborative in that. Like, I don't know if, like, obviously, no, surely to God, no songwriter or friend of yours

would watch you perform a song and be like, hey, you know what? Also rhymes with that. That seems like that would be weird, but like it is pretty collaborative. Well, it's known in our world that the jokes are always changing and we're allowed to change them. And I guess you're allowed to change songs. One thing that I'm a little jealous of in quarantine is that y'all can finish a song at home. We almost need the audience for our rhythm. To compare it to music, I always say the audience is my drummer with, you know, like I need the beat to figure out where everything goes.

unfortunately I think we tag each other's jokes less because we spend so much time together I honestly think strangers do it more often because it's like a fresh mind hearing your jokes we've heard each other's jokes a million times and we collaborate so much on sketches you know like I feel like if I sent Corey a three-minute recording of a new joke he'd be like fuck you dude like we have so much work to do today and if I thought of something funny I just put it on one of my fucking bad. Exactly.

We're also very similar. It's like you guys are like a band. Yeah. You kind of know each other's, you know. Who hates the other one in the band? We and Corey fight the most. For sure. We and Corey fight the most,

but Trey's our dad. Yeah. It's very much that way. Did y'all, did y'all start really, really early in life with music? Is it one of those things that you, I don't know, born into a musical family?

How early along did it? I was born into a musical family. Yeah. My stepfather is the person that taught me to play stuff, but it was a parent at pretty much the minute I could speak, that that's, I was just going to be a show dog, you know, like, do something. And then Michael also grew up in a musical family,

but kind of a different way. Yeah. I just, well, both of our, my dad was, he's like a bluegrass guy, and I didn't take to that right away. But he did, you know, when I was really little, he taught me some chords on the mandolin and stuff. And he would take me to the festivals and like take me around to the campfires and stuff. And, um, and have these jam sections. And I was just like, this is, uh, this is cool. This is crazy.

My dad's let me stay up late. What's that smell? Snap the Lord. And then, yeah, I don't know. I guess, like, I sort of fell away from the kind of music that he liked because it all, you know, like bluegrass music kind of all sounded the same to me. And I was just, you know, I was like a decade teenager. Yeah.

And I didn't want it. I wanted to do whatever he was not doing, you know. Right. And, but yeah, I guess I'd like to answer your question, we both have kind of been around music all our lives. I started out on piano when I was, when I was, I don't know, super young. But that's pretty common, right? Never, like, really good at it, but I think, you know, like, that was when I sort of learned that I could pick songs out by ear. And I kind of could tell where it was going, so I wouldn't, I, like, would get worse at reading because I could kind of just figure it out without that.

and um and right i don't know like how common i feel like that's pretty common the general that sort of version of the experience like it seems like i feel like not a lot of people who end up being you know doing it professionally come to music like late later in life and by later i i mean like just starting as an adult like is that is that accurate i mean you guys know way more musicians than i do is that seem to be how it typically goes i feel like And I'm probably wrong about this, but the only one example comes to my, I feel like Chris Christofferson maybe. Okay. You know, became a music musician.

A second coming of Christ is the only one who could do it. I think I could be wrong and I don't want to cast aspersons on him because, well, let me say this. Are musicians defensive about this? If I say. No, they better shouldn't be. About what? About like, if I say somebody I think came to it late, if it turns out he's been playing since he was 10, do you think he'd get mad or whatever? No, no.

I don't know. I think that like anybody who's doing it is kind of lucky to be doing it to have found some kind of a way. And I'm no better at guitar than I was when I was 10, so you wouldn't know the difference anyway. I think BJ Barham was a writer, his whole life, a lyricist. But he didn't start singing until he was like 20 or 21, maybe 18. But like when he told us that, I feel like he said, that's why I sing and write the songs and the band. does the rest of the world or whatever, you know. So I don't know. Interesting.

Yeah. I guess I was never, I never got interested in singing until later, I don't know, 18, I guess. But with this thing, it was like we just started, we both sing together all the time. And so it's like, I don't even know what my own voice sounds like because we're always singing in harmony. I can't have remember lyrics unless I'm singing with Michael at this point. That's adorable. It's humiliating. It sounded like a memoir about a love story when he said I don't even know what my own voice sounds like. I despise him for taking my confidence. How long? No. I'm playing. I'm trying to be funny. I'm probably trying to be funny.

No, you're being funny. I thought it was hilarious when you told him you hated him. Do it again. slower this time. How long was it after you guys met that you started collaborating together? Was it like an instant spark? Because I know that his band came to town and you were already doing your own shit. It was pretty, the thing about Charleston, at least at that time, it was like 2003, four, five, something like that. It had a really small scene, music scene, and everybody, and it was really welcoming, too. It wasn't competitive

and everybody was doing cool shit and it was like you would just there's just all these spin-off projects and people you know you'd get together with somebody and write a few songs and be a band for one show and then the band would break up and you would go do something else. And the restaurant would overpay you to do

that. They would order to do money and filet mignon and like really nice watch and coat Daron and this is when we were like baloney and you know There was no Laquois in the fridge. I bet they were fucking the comedians. I were super hard to be able to afford that. This is worth giving them any gigs.

It's not to be a comedian. Y'all never get paid. It's true. It's very true. It is cheaper to be a comedian, though. Yeah. Yeah, we don't have to carry nothing. Your load in is easy.

You're loaded. Just us. We just walk through the door. The only thing we carry is our hopes and dreams on our goddamn shoulders every night. Yeah, which lately. or lighter and lighter as the days progress. Yeah, for sure. Speaking of which as the days progress,

I know that we, you know, we're doing a, hey, shameless plug, we're doing an online show December 12th, rush ticks.com. You can grab those tickets to see us. But have you guys done, I know that they're starting to be, I know BJ, we were talking about the American Aquarium,

they've done a couple social distance shows. Are you getting out in those waters? Are you doing some online stuff? What does it look like for shovels rope in late 2020, early 2021. Yeah, so we did some cool shows in Charleston's venue called The Bend, which is an outdoor

space that I'd never even heard of. And then we have some great promoters here in town. Charles Carmody, Charleston Music Hall, which I suspect if you've ever played a gig in Charleston, we all would play. We did. We have. I love that place. And they basically turned on a diamond made a

situation were in, you know, I can't remember how many square, 10 foot square with four people in it. And you basically brought your own charcutory and booze in your cooler. And you could party as hard as you wanted right in that little spot. But if you left your spot, you had to take a mask, wear your mask. And they did it? And I don't, I can't speak 100% like, did anybody ever get COVID that night? It hasn't come to our attention. It seemed really safe.

It seemed really safe. It seemed really safe. Well, run. Yeah. That's good. And it felt really good. Jason has bailed a couple nights doing those. St. Paul,

broke bones and one. But we did, that's the only thing. We did two nights in our hometown. And then we had one thing scheduled up the road in Columbia. And then it got canceled because of a storm. Yeah, we've had to cancel some gigs.

It's very odd as a performer. You grow up like following rock and roll or in our case, like Lenny Bruce or something like that. And it's like, it suddenly becomes illegal to do what you love. And some part of you's like, fuck that. I've been wanting to break the law to pursue my art. But in this case, people will die. You know what I mean?

Like I've noticed, so some of my friends in New York, they're doing like they were doing the legal shows. And they had this like very like black flag punk rock mentality about it. And I'm like, yeah, I think it used to be that art got shut down because it was scary to the man. Not because your mamma was going to die. So it's such a weird time to like, you know, have to accept that you can't do what you love. Yeah. And I mean, that comes down just the reasoning for it.

It's like you got to protect people, you know, just like a human decency thing. And yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, I'm sure it's tough for a lot of bands, especially, you know, it's not like we are. you know, we're a lower or mid-level thing in a lot of the bands that, and we've been able to weather this thing. But like I can see how a lot of the bands that are, you know, they're, they really need to be out doing this, to pay the rent, you know, to do all the stuff. it's got to be a real challenge and like a mind fuck because you're trying to think of ways that you could do it

and to be safe and you know it's just like sucks to not have a job and not know what to do about it you know. It's too bad we don't have like not to get on a soapbox about you know federal infrastructure to support working people didn't get on it. I paid them to stay home because God forbid the nanny

state do anything to help people. Yeah, keep going. Hell yeah. But it seemed like people didn't have to worry about losing their entire business. You know, all of, and it's not just, you know, the venues are particularly, you know, a hard situation because there's nothing that can happen in those places otherwise. Right. It's not, those are expressly places for people to get together and be close to each other for your

wedding venue, whatever. But like, just the idea that. you don't, that those people who don't have a choice to be able to stay home, and they got to go to the meatback and plant, or they got to go to the, you know, every person that's buying my Instacart grocery is like my little inner commies, my heart is just like, you are sacrificing. You're, you know, you're putting yourself at risk for whatever you're earning so that I can stay home.

Like, I'm going to stay my ass home. I'm just to keep my germs out of a mix. And maybe someday we'll have a, a situation where people don't have to worry that they're going to, you know, starve or not be able to go to the doctor, or that they're not going to have their electricity on it, that they're going to get freaking expelled from their homes. They're evicted from their homes. Oh, my God, don't get me started on what they're doing in South Carolina, all that. But, yeah, hopefully maybe that'll change in the future and we'll think about it, like after Second World War,

when they got the National Health Service in England. It's not perfect. You know, it's how it struggles. but everybody had some kind of access to wellness, something. Well, that whole, it's not perfect, but it's not nothing thing. Like, I feel like when I say we, I mean one particular party struggles with the thought of like any time you're faced with, hey, what if we had socialized medicine or whatever, they go, yeah, but there would be some problems.

And so the response is, so we'll do nothing. So not a thing. Like if we can poke holes in anything, then we just shouldn't do it. If it's not completely flawless in our inception of it, then we're just not going to do it. And that's ridiculous. And I find myself, like, catching my words sometimes because I've been fortunate enough. You know, I've had been fortunate enough this year to be able to make money from home

and have some different types of revenue and stuff. So it's like so easy for me to be like, stay home, stay home. But then, you know, I know some comedians who they're not as fortunate at me. And like, I know they're sitting there going, I hear you, Corey. We'd love to. but we can't. Like, we have to do the show. And I'm like, right, it's not any of our faults.

The fucking goddamn, I don't want to be one of these little liberals who's like, the government should take care of us all the time. I'm not saying that, but like, my Lord. This is the time. And also, if like you're going to talk about, hey, we live in a consumer-driven society, I hear you, but don't you want to have more consumers in a couple years than less? Because that's what's happening. You're going to have less people to buy your shit,

where if you just give us all the money to hang, out in our house for eight months and fucking scotch guard all the benches and shit or whatever the fuck you got to do like we'll probably come out the other side of this but again they go well there's a couple problems with that so we'll do nothing and it's just infuriating it's so infuriating to watch the market not take a hit and I'm not saying I would want the market to take a hit because I know that that would hurt some people but it very much feels like everyone is hurting except people who have a lot of money in stocks. And it's like, how is this fucking happening?

And what I do have in common with the person working at the grocery store right now, even though this is where it ends, because like you said, Corey, we're very blessed. But like, I don't have a choice. Like, I have to stay home because it's the right goddamn thing to do. And they have to go to work because they have to eat. We're all in this very frustrating situation where there's no choice. And then, like you said,

I read the other day that Texas has an $8 billion rainy day fund. It is fucking flooding right now, and they refuse to tap into it because, well, you know, what's it for then? Because then what's it for? If this ain't it, then you just have $8 billion that you like to look at. Well, I assume it's gathering interest, and they'd hate to see those payments not come in, not to mention the idea that will become a nanny state. There's your, there's, that's the thing, in it?

like the interest where who's making money on the money that's sitting around right well they continue to before we get out of here guys we do have some questions from the twitterverse and the facebook world if you guys wouldn't mind asking or uh answering from friend of the podcast big booty judy big booty judy big booty judy ohmg ohmg i love them i love them i love them what are y'all's dream tour locations uh my favorite concert i saw you y'all at was at Wills of Soul in Wharf, or Wills of Soul at Wharf on Orange Beach. So dream tour locations that maybe you guys haven't performed at. Or I think maybe, you know, your favorite.

Your favorite, yeah. Favorite that you have. Or if you have, yeah, dream ones that you want to do and haven't, either or. I think everybody's got us, I think Red Rocks is like always one of the, it's just like, you know, feels kind of spiritual when you're there. or, you know, cosmic or something. It's really, really beautiful venue. It sounds good.

Everybody can see. And like I grew up in Denver, so it's like always a dream to get to go play there. I always like to go. I give the same answer all the time. It's not very excited. I'd like to play in New Orleans at pretty much any place. But I like to tip a tippina's, and it's funny because it's exactly the opposite of Michaels in every way. You can't see.

You can't hear. There's no green room. There's no green room. There's a green room. There's a green room. It's like, but it's magical, and it's the energy that happens in there and the musical history. And, you know, there's a statue of Professor Longhair that it's in the front. You're like, touch.

I just feel like, well, you wouldn't want to touch it nowadays because of coronavirus. but it's been rubbed, you know, shiny from all the good luck touching. So, red rocks for Michael, Tiptinas for me. My old band

played the opening of a super target in the parking lot. That was a dream. Man, on that bleak note, I hope to God all those venues on Frenchmen and otherwise survive all this and they don't become fucking urgent urban outfitters or whatever.

We need to rob Texas. and fucking give it to them goddamn big. Apparently. What we need to do. Fucking $8 billion just sitting there in Texas, where everybody with revolvers and horses, they better fucking shut up. They're better hush about where they got that money.

They're going to get train robbed. Yeah. There's about to be a goddamn. Everybody's already got a mask on. Who did it? Oh, my gosh. At the last of all time. Show up with his bandana on backwards.

Over on Facebook, Shelley DeWitt wants to know, and I want to know this too. How wonderful was it? performing with the Indigo girls? That was awesome. That was in Atlanta, Georgia at that park. That's like an outdoor venue.

And that particular day was funny because that particular day was when the Supreme Court finally officially said gay marriage was cool all over the nation. 2015. And I just remember the girls were laughing back there with. there was like, oh, here you come. Everybody in the press is going to call us asking how we feel about gay marriage. Like, we're the national spokespeople

for being gay married. We're not even married. I don't even agree with the institution of marriage. But that was the like fun social thing. And they also had all their little girls. They had their kids on tour. And we

just had like a brand new little baby. We were like, get the lay of the land is always really supportive when you meet other parents out there. And then just, you know, it's just in your career to get to play music with people like that, to open up shows like for people that impacted you as a young artist, it's, I feel unfathomably lucky. That's a rad answer. Yeah, that is a right answer. Trevor, you about to say something, I just cut you off.

Yeah, but I don't even remember what it was. There you go. Yeah. So if you got another one, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, we're going to wrap it up here. Carri and Michael, where can everybody find you on the social media is and your website? And what do you got coming up that you'd like to plug? I know at least a couple things.

We have a record that's going to come out, I believe, January 1st. Something like that. Maybe I'm wrong. You don't know what we're talking about. This pandemic's got everybody fucked up. It's listen. We got an album coming out. I'm a real.

We're going to wait until it's 2021, so it's not associated with this bullshit. Yeah. We have a series of records that we've made called Busted Jukebox, and they're collaborative records. So we like, you know, each song has a different guest on it. And then we, you know, we work them up in different ways. So this record is the third installment and it's called Busted Juice Box.

And it's a kind of sort of kids record or a record for people with kids. Yeah. There's children's songs on it and not so children's songs on it. Like, I don't know, like, what a wonderful world is on there, which kind of could be seen as a kid song if you, You know, if you look at it, you know, through their eyes, our daughter has a book of, it's a wonderful world, and it's like illustrated and it's really beautiful.

And it's just like, you know, if you look at it from that perspective of gratitude, you know, it's like, it would be a really beautiful thing. And so we have, did I? You said. I had a small stroke. You had a stroke. God damn, y'all sound like us.

Busted juice box coming out. Busted juice box. Sounds like a, yeah, we can name drop people on them. Yeah, we can name drops. Sounds like a Pixar. Yeah, name drop all you want. Well, we got Sharon Venet and to do Beach Boys in my room. Right on.

What? That's awesome. John Paul White is on there doing, what a wonderful world. We got the Felice Brothers on there. there doing a version of You Are My Sunshine. Your boy, T. Hardy Morris from the Day Confederate in Athens, Georgia is doing Everybody Hirts by R.M. I know y'all Georgia people for y'all Bulldogs fans.

Yeah. Oh, you've got M. Ward on there doing my little buckaroo. It's a cool record. That sounds awesome like it. It sounds like a Pixar movie of an album where, you know, the adults love it too, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Did you guys say where, where's the bed? If people want to just like, buy all your shit. Yeah, all, everything, shovels and rope. What? Just go to your website. Where's what? Shvelsorope.com. There you go.

And sometimes we'd be snooping around. We have Instagram and Twitter and stuff. But one thing, we used to do all that ourselves. And I've had to take a little bit of a wellness break from it. Uh-huh. Most of the world probably has. And so kind of, but we're still active on this thing. I'm interested in like checking out Patreon and stuff.

But Shelvesorope.com is where our central hub is and all, you know, we try to be an escapable. But these days it's like, wow, where are we located? What do we do? Yeah. I don't know. Like social media. I don't know how you guys are with social media if that's like,

necessary. I would call it a necessary for sure as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. I can't, like I can't do it. I feel bad, you know, and also there's just no time, I feel like, to do the stuff. So we kind of partner up with our manager and we'll do, you know, write some posts and have him, you know, do the rest of the work. But, yeah, it is necessary evil. It's like one of those things where you don't know, like some, you can be going through your thing and,

you'll read the most beautiful thing ever somebody has written and you're totally moved by it. And then right next to it is just like, Sue forded. Yeah. I wish ours were like that. Yeah. Yeah, no, you're 100% right. And if you're like me, like I'm immediately consumed entirely by only the second thing.

Like I could read 50 of the good touching ones you're talking about. and I just read one, you know, calling me a blood traitor secret Jew or whatever. And it's a real thing that happened. I always feel it necessary to tell people he didn't pull that out of the air. That's a real thing that happened. Point out that Trey's not that good of a writer. Those types of things. Well, I'm just afraid people are going to be like, why did he say Jew like that?

That's how I was saying to him. Yeah, I got accused of being a Jew. by the internet, like a rite of passage from my generation, I guess. But anyway, it's also that those things are in reply to the beautiful moving thing. Decency has become political. Just being decent, sincere, and vulnerable has become just, you know, like you said earlier, we can't do shows because people will die. What?

You fucking sheep. Goddust. Not just people like, I disagree with you, but thanks for thinking of other people. It's like, you are what's wrong with this country. I'm like, I can't. If I am, then take me out of it. Or if, or if dare to say you're like, hey, we're going to do a show, but it's going to be social distance because we're trying to be safe. Then somebody's like, you fuck, look at this goddamn virtue signaler.

You just, you couldn't, you couldn't just say it without pointing out that you're being responsible. You had to say that, dude. It's like fucking Jesus. You're pointing out to you right now by calling me out on this shit. You fucking lunatic. Well, yeah. I've gotten over the virtue signal accusation. because I realized one day literally everything on social media is signaling your virtues,

positively or negatively. It is the only reason to be there. You're absolutely right. I'm doing it. And it sounds like I'm a better person than you, person who's screaming at me because I like masks. All right. I appreciate my social media feed.

It's funny. I guess the algorithm has basically figured out. It's basically, y'all. Well, that sounds awesome. was like a couple other people. We should just text message. Well, that's what I did. Let's just be friends.

You could send pictures. But then I wouldn't see all of Corey's wrestling, Corey's Buttercream and Dream clips, and I wouldn't see. I'll send it to you. Who's making fun of the Charleston accent? Oh, boy. You nailed that shit.

I was gross. run. Anyway. I'm going to play this for my life next time we get in the fight because she's a huge fan of years. And Trey is like screaming into the into the ether of the internet. I'm thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm sorry that you have to put up with it, what you do, but thank you for doing what you do on behalf of Southerners like myself.

I feel like I'm screaming with you. Well, God damn. I'll scream together. But yeah, likewise guys, we appreciate y'all as well. No better place to end than right there. Ladies and gentlemen, the Carrie Ann Hurst and Michael Trent, thank you guys so much for being here on the Well Red podcast. I like having guests.

This is nice. Yeah, it was nice. Chapples and rope, everybody. Thank you guys. Thank you, guys. Thanks, y'all. Thanks, y'all. Well, well, well.