wellRED podcast - #205 - The Goatest Goats and The Stupidest Foods

Episode Date: January 27, 2021

This week the boys talk about some of sports greatest of all time athletes and also Trae shares some very stupid food videos that he found on the internet!

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like, do that and carve your own path, you motherfuckers. Anyways, what's happening, boys? Well, I was thinking, I was thinking we could talk a little bit about subject. None of us are at all qualified to talk about. And that's, uh, politics. No. No. True, objective greatness. That's what I was thinking. Is this because of our conversation about Tom Brady last night? About Tom Brady. And I know a lot of our fans aren't super into sports, but it's more of a general,

I mean, it is sports, but I'm not just going to rant and rave about Tom Brady for a while. But it did get me thinking about this general subject, because we're talking about Tom Brady and how insane he is, and I don't care what you think about Tom Brady. At this point, his resume and career is objectively fucking ridiculous. He has more championship game appearances than,

like, Montana Manning and Drew, Bree's combined do or something like it's ridiculous but anyway we ain't going to just go on the whole thing on tom brady but cori said when we were talking about tom brady on our group text yesterday corey said it's pretty wild when you think about it that during our lifetimes like from our childhoods up until now the goats the greatest of all time and so many different huge sports have been you know goading like we were kids michael jordan wang gretsky now there's lebron there's lebron Tom Brady. There's been, and I mentioned there's, and all the other less popular in America

sports, it's happening to. Messi, Rinaldo, Federer Nadal, Michael Phelts, Usain Bolt. I guess the only one that hasn't really, and it's fitting too when you think about, oh, Tiger Woods. Yeah, yeah, dude. It's fitting too when you think about what that sport is like, but the only major sport that hasn't happened in is baseball, right, where the greatest of all time is still like Babe Ruth from the 20s or whatever.

And baseball is so old-fashioned, it's kind of funny that that happened. But I think people would, that wouldn't, if steroids had never got found out in baseball, I don't think that would be the case. People would be like, no, there's been better people since. But because of steroids, you know,

it kind of put a huge asterisk on this entire era of baseball. But in every other sport, the greatest of all time have been active in the past few years. And I was saying that makes sense when you think about it, because like you watch old football clips and they're all like literal farm boys. You know what I mean? They're like five, nine, 180 pounds, just, you know, wiry as hell, you know,

squirly little bastards who bailed hay all the time or whatever. And that's like what, that's what hitting was in football back in the day. And then, but as they've gone on and people, sports, science, exercise science, people understand so much more about building muscle and building speed and like nutrition and diet and all that stuff. You can make so much money in it. kids start when they're fucking eight, nine years old and like are just treating it like a professional career.

You know what I mean? Like just everything is built up to this point of everybody being better at sports than they've ever been before at the highest levels. There's no reason to think that will stop. But I'm wondering if y'all think that we are in the peak of the bell curve when it comes to individual greatness in athletics. Because everyone will continue to get. The bar itself will continue to get so much higher.

That means the competition will get so much better across the board, which will make it harder for any one freak of nature, athletically, to stand out that much above the rest of the pack and be that much of an outlier. Or do you think that the numbers and everything will just continue to skyrocket for everybody? And, you know, there'll be people that eclipse all these goats in the next few generations.

I mean, I think that I'm definitely going to bat a couple different, versions of this around while we talk, and I'm probably going to disagree with what I'm about to say maybe in 30 minutes. I'm sure I could be convinced. But I do think that for a lot of things, we have seen the peak for, for instance, in golf, I can talk about golf a little bit more than anything else simply because I play it. And so because of that, I understand. Like, I, I can't fathom Tom Brady. I can't get myself there. You know what I mean? But with Tiger Woods, I can kind of be like, I play, I understand it. With Tiger Woods, he changed the game so much because before Tiger Woods, most people,

it was more common to look like John Daly than it was to look like Tiger Woods. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like we look back at John Daly now and we're like, man, look at this fat redneck, but like, dude, Colin Montgomery, they were all portly because, I mean, that was part of the appeal of golf. Like Kevin James said, he's like, I love golf because it's the closest sport to just sitting down. And it's true. But then Tiger comes in and he made fitness a priority.

But he was the first one to ever do it. So before it caught on for everybody, he was able to dominate. And when you talk about dominating a sport, there's two people that come to mind that it's like, it's not even close in their fields. And it's to me, Tiger Woods and Wayne Gretzky. I can't speak on Wayne Gretzky a lot because I'm not the biggest hockey fan. But Tiger, when he was at his peak, he was literally, when he was. He won the U.S. Open one year.

He shot 12 under, and he was the only player in the field under par. Yeah. He won by like 15 fucking strokes, and he was the only one under par in the U.S. Open when the conditions are supposed to be the worst. Because, and a lot of the people still didn't wrap their mind around it, he put so much into his physical condition. He already had the natural talent, but he realized if I, the stronger I am, the further I can hit the ball, the more torque I can have in my back,

the more distance I can get out of the rough. Now everyone knows that and is doing that. And because of that, everybody's playing good, but it's so much harder for like one person to win 10 tournaments in a row because the competition has leveled itself out because of Tiger Woods. And with a guy like Brady,

I don't know that you see a guy, I don't know if in the future you see people staying with teams as long. There's a couple huge things about Brady that need to be mentioned. Go ahead. just to contextualize Brady. Also, I think that Bill Belichick is arguably the greatest coach of all time.

And the stars just so happened to align that the greatest quarterback of all time and the greatest coach of all time were on the same team at the same time, which resulted in the greatest dynasty of all time. So you're talking about championships and football. I don't think you'll ever see that again. Also, it was helped by Tom Brady because his wife was fucking Giselle. Right. She was actually the primary breadmaker in the family. Tom Brady famously took, like, team-friendly contracts instead of taking, like, the back.

breaking mega contracts, which allowed the Patriots to fill out their roster a little better, which is another thing that you just don't see often. In addition to everything you just said, which I agree with, that's why I was trying to get to earlier. Like the bar across the board has risen so much. Like you think about when we were kids, Michael Vick came out, and for the record, a big part of this was just straight up racism. Black people didn't used to be allowed to play quarterback.

That's just how it was. But still, though, when we were kids and Michael Vick came out, he was like this game-breaking cheat code, right? of an athlete. In Madden, no five, I wouldn't let my friends play with him. There was like a no Vic rule among buddies in Madden because of how much of a cheat coat he was. And he was the only one that was like that.

And now there's a lot of guys who, you know, have the sort of, who are better versions of Michael Wick across the league right now, you know, so like that's the kind of thing I mean. Just the bar in general continues to rise, so it's harder to eclipse it at a high level. Like Patrick Mahomes is the one who is the one eclipses it right now. He's head and shoulders above everybody else. But I still think that the rest of the competition, if you look at the young dudes that are around, and my home signed like a

fucking half a billion dollar contract, which is what I'm saying. The chiefs ain't going to be able to keep that whole team together. So I still don't think the chiefs are going to do like what the Patriots did. And I just don't, I don't know if you'll ever replicate some of the shit that we've seen, even if the athletes continue to become more and more freakish as we move into the future. Well, but somebody has to be the best. And I think that, I mean, oftentimes that's objective, I would say almost all the time, that's subjective. And I think I'm hearing what you're saying about,

you're really talking about parity. Yeah. And then that argument. Yeah, and that argument goes against someone like Bill Russell, who, if we're looking at team championships, Michael Jordan and LeBron James couldn't see him in a dream. That's true, but he played in a 10-team league. He did play in a 10-team league.

He also played in a league where the average height was much lower than his. And being 7-foot, I think one as he is or was, people shrink as they get older, helped him dominate. But I also think that we've got a little bit, it's easier to see this happening in music than it is in sports because sports is a much more somebody actually wins type thing. Right. But I think we have a little bit of generation or timeline bias because I guess I hear what you're saying that like someone may never win as many rings as Brady has.

But by definition, aren't you also saying in the same breath that people will get better than Brady? Maybe not as compared to their competition. But like we're talking about the fact that athletes get better and better each generation. Right. The things they get better at, like, statistic-wise, are subjective. Like, there's people right now who can drive the ball further than Tiger, and maybe they have a technically better, you know, putting statistic.

But there's those things that you can't quantify, which is the mental fortitude. Like, like, you can't, like, you just can't write, you can't get on paper Brady's mental game and Tiger's mental game, like, under pressure. and in some things like that, it's like, dude, yeah, there's like, Aaron Rogers has a better arm than Brady. You know what I'm saying? But like scoreboard. So, yeah, in that way, it's not all objective. I just don't, I don't know.

But that's also comparing team sports to golf, which is a solo game. True. I mean, look, I know you guys know that I'm biased against Brady. I always have been because I don't like him and I openly admit that. I can't stand Tom Brady, but I also acknowledge greatness. But statistically, in the play. he's been in the top two or three across all time. In the regular season, it's more like top 10.

Now, does that mean that Dan Marino or Peyton Manning are better than him? It doesn't mean that. What I'm trying to get at, though, in terms of your question, Trey, is, no, there's definitely going to be somebody better than Brady. Yeah. And I think you and I won't, our generation won't admit it. But I think if we're talking about your sons, they won't give a single fuck how many rings Brady.

in my opinion. Well, they will say, well, they'll point to whatever it is they want to point to to prove, because you see it happening with the LeBron James Michael Jordan's stuff. That's the closest thing I can think of to get at what you're talking about. LeBron James, in his prime, was probably more valuable to a team than Michael Jordan. It's questionable, though. It's very questionable when you look at the advanced statistics. But Jordan in the playoffs crushed everyone around him.

He crushed them. And because I have nephews and like my youngest one loves basketball, they don't, they care about Jordan. They love Jays. Right. You try to have these conversations with them. They have their own generational bias. Right.

So what I'm saying to you is for us, this is the peak. The Brady's, the Usain Bolt's, the LeBron's, the Jordans, the Tigers. But I don't think that for 30-year-old, old's in 30 years, they'll see it that way. Right. My dad's still very much, he has made the argument forever. Like, he's a Dan Marino stand until he dies. And he, so because of that, my dad is a championship rings don't count.

And I'm not saying that it's all that counts to me. But Tom Brady is going to his 11th Super Bowl right now. He's going to his 11th, I think. At a certain point. 10th or 11th. I know, I know you're about to say it. So I'll let you say it. Go ahead.

What was I going to say? Whether it's 10 or 11, he will, by the time the Super Bowl is over, he will have played in like one-fifth of all Super Bowls ever played in the history. Exactly. That's fucking insane. So, but I understand that you could, you should be right, but like it's, but look at Elway. Like Elway won a Super Bowl and look at his arm and a lot of that. Obviously, even as much as like, to me, I want to go, look, objectively, if you've gone to fucking 10 or 11 Super Bowls and especially if you've taken two teams, I mean for the love of. a fucking Christ. And then also, I'm sure that there's a lot of people that would make the

argument with Michael Jordan that Trays made with Tom Brady of like, well, look at Phil Jackson. Like, Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan are like when Brady and Belichick met, like, had that not happen. Because then you look at Phil Jackson's success after. He goes and he makes another dynasty in the Lakers. Now, granted, he also just happened to run into the prodigal, or not the Prodical Summit, the chosen one in Kobe Bryant, who was supposed to be the... And Shaq. But like, you start putting those pieces together, and then you go, well, I mean, you know, technically Scotty Pippen has just as many rings. So the baseball ones a lot, it's, it's kind of crazier. Because, like, you, with Babe Ruth, like, I think Daniel Tosh used to have

that bit about Babe Ruth hitting all these home runs. And he's like, yeah, but like, dude, he didn't have C.C. Sabathia fucking firing down the middle. That was before they let black guys play. It was before they let black guys play. Huge difference, which also reminded me of that old Tim Wilson bit when they were talking about Steve Spurrier winning the Hizman and he goes, yeah, when all the black guys were in Vietnam, which is hilarious. But like there's so many of those subjective things. But like now I think the reason for that is kind of what you just said. Like back in the day, baseball was this new thing and nobody fucking worked out. You beat your wife. That's how you you stretched. You know what I mean? You ate hot dogs, you drink beer. And then every now

and then there'd be a freak of nature that was just natural talent was what did it back then. But now you got natural talent and we've got, we're isolating these muckles. We're specializing this. And now everybody just kind of like, okay, Bryce Harper's probably good, but like they're all pretty, they're all pretty fucking stellar. See, well, and that's what, that's what I'm trying to say, Drew, I completely agree with you. There will be, I think Patrick Mahomes already is like better. at the position, maybe not mentally, but in every other way, better at the position

than Brady has ever been. And I think like going forward, there will be other Patrick, I think in the future there will be plenty of quarterbacks who are objectively better at the game than Brady ever was. But I think there will be a lot more of them. And that is the thing that will keep any one of them from like being as much above the rest of the pack as Brady has ended up being by the end of his career.

Very long part of his career, it was hugely debated between him and Peyton and even like Rogers is really the best and Drew Brees and stuff. But like at this point, what Brady's done compared to the rest of him, he's way above the rest of my opinion. Well, that's what I was going to say, though, is like there are other Brady's right now and there were in the past. The argument that keeps me from standing on a soapbox and telling y'all he's overrated is the longevity and the fact that it's with two teams now. So if it doesn't happen, you know, it's because he's an anomaly or he is mentally the best or he's just the luckiest motherfucker on top of also being the most talented motherfucker in the world. So like, you know, I don't know if that will happen again, but I want to go back to soccer because you raised the point of, or maybe Corey did, as we have people starting to do the same sports since they're 10 years old. And, you know, we have specialized schools and you can learn how to shoot from step. or the guy who taught step curry or what you know dirt novitsky has had the same shooting coach

since he was like eight or whatever like that's wow that's crazy that's crazy soccer's been like that for a while right i was curious because i was like i don't know if that's really accepted and i just typed it in and i just pulled up four different lists of the greatest soccer players of all time the guys you mention are or not or near the top but the absolute top is always either paleo or more often diego mordona right so my point with that is rest in peace all right Rest in peace, Diego. He was wild. He was wild as hell.

He did cocaine and meat and hoars and I don't know. I don't know anything about him. Could y'all tell me a little bit about the cocaine and meat? I pretty much told you most of what I know. He was, yeah, he was like,

he's considered maybe the greatest soccer player of all time. He then went into being a manager at the world level at soccer. Yeah, a good manager. He's like, he's, you know, maybe the goat in the soccer world,

but also a party animal motherfucker who like just railed lines and hoars and stakes and shit. some shit until he died this year at the age of like... You know, country music and sports are like kind of related in that way where like back in that

era the best also were maniac coke snort and philanderers and now you can't be none of that to be either of those. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. Like right now like I don't give a fuck. I don't

mean like because of the press. I I mean, if you're a quarterback in the NFL and you don't take your job, because Peyton Manning said, such a stand. Johnny Manzell, man. Right, right. Like, Johnny Manzell was that. He had all the talent in the world, but he was trying to be that old school party boy type. And, like, you just can't do that anymore.

And I think that Baker Mayfield grew up in like a year and a half because he was about to do that same shit, I think. You know what I mean? And then he got his shit together. When Sturzel produced Tyler Childers, he signed Tyler and a guy from the Midwest, who I've heard since because he's kind of recovered, who I like, who was too much of a partier. You can't do it in that world either,

and it's also not because of the media. It's because of the job. Because now those guys have to tour, they have to be on, they've got social media. There's like things they've got to do to keep up with the machine. Whereas back then, you know, you could go to rehab for a year

and maybe it wouldn't get talked about, get your shit together, now put another great album out. Absolutely. Any Winehouse and a few rappers, Pop Smoke comes to mind, are the only people now who I've seen get away with that in the music world. Aren't both of them dead?

Yes. Now, to be fair about Pop Smoke, he did because he posted a picture of the shoes he bought and his address was on the receipt and then someone came around and killed him, which is But Drew, what were you going to, because you're right, I thought about that yesterday. I thought about Pele and Maradone yesterday, too. You're right.

What the whole, the goats have played during our lifetimes is not really true in soccer. None of us are huge soccer heads, but like what were you going to say about that? Well, I can't decide if that lends to, I think, what you're arguing or not. Because in some ways, it lends to what you're arguing because because

I get Rinaldo and Ronaldino confused because both of them are very good. But messy. Because Messi existed in the world where you start playing when you're three and you become a professional by the time you're 14 and you've got all this money and, you know, the national programs behind you if you're good. In some ways, that's an argument for what you're saying. He couldn't reach the level of Pele or Maradona because no matter how good he got, his competition was so fucking stiff, right?

So in some ways, that proves what you're predicting coming true in other sports could, yes, absolutely come true. But in other ways, though, we are having this conversation. And what I mean by that is we still know who he is. There will be a one or two. and I have to believe that soccer players who are 20 don't give a fuck about Diego Mordona that every list I pulled up was written by a 50 year old

maybe I'm wrong though but you know what I mean? There's also the thought of I don't know how we're going to do it I don't know what it's going to look like but eventually we're going to have to evolve and change what being the goat means just because the game is going to change and to go back to Trey's point of Brady was very lucky

to be married to Giselle which means that he could stay in New England and take those pay cuts and have the players or whatever. If that doesn't happen, there's a situation where Brady's not with New England the whole time. You know what I'm saying?

Or their team's just not as good because in order to get Brady, you can't have signed Randy Moss that one time. You can't have gotten fucking, oh my God. I'm trying to think of eight short white dudes names and I can't think. Edelman. West Welker.

All these dudes. And then Brady, And then Brady's got to kind of like fucking go here and there. The game's changing so much. Like it just feels like back in the day like people stayed with their team. They were very loyal. But now with like, you know, fucking different sponsorships and different this, that, and the other.

Free agency didn't literally didn't used to be a thing in pretty much any sports. So they stay with their teams because like they had no choice. Which that's how athletes got so fucked over by their teams is because they really had no recompense, which is where free agency came from. But yeah, because of free agency, it's a lot more mercenary. now. Right. That move around a lot more.

Like, LeBron's kind of wild in the, like in the, in the goat category, he's one of the ones that's like, he's been to a lot of, some different places. You know what I'm saying?

Like he's fucking moved around. Usually it's just like, he's been to the finals with three different teams. Yeah. Three different coaches. He's played under so many different coaches, which some people will say is a knock against him, like, oh, he's impossible coach.

I just agree. I think he, he took a lot of heat. And I'll admit, early in his career, I was a LeBron hater because I, mostly because I love Kobe, so much, but also I didn't like it. I didn't like it when he left Cleveland for Miami.

I didn't like the decision and all that. I was one of those people that was like, no, you know, that's a bitch move. Jordan wouldn't have done that, yada, yada, whatever. But I think that LeBron, it almost feels to me like LeBron took that, like that criticism of like, oh, you can't do that. And then he made, like, you know what, fuck it. I'm going to make that part of my legacy is that I go, I go to a bunch of different places and hit at all of them.

Like I go, I go wherever I want to. and I fucking win, which proves a whole other thing about me. And fuck you, Trey Crowder and you other fat pieces of shit. I said he's been to the finals with three different teams. He's won. He won them. Three different teams. Three different coaches.

And that, you know, could Jordan do that? We'll never know. But I think that I think this type of debate will rage on. And I think everyone's going to have a generational bias. Now, another factor, there's two other factors we haven't brought up, Trey, in terms of your question about the peak or, you know, are we really in a sweet spot? One is like the physical capabilities of the human body. Yeah, like some scientists have brought this up.

Like, it's physically impossible as we are currently made for someone to run the 40-yard dash in two seconds. Right. Our muscles would explode trying to move fast enough to move a man who is six foot or whatever, or, you know. So it's like, so what does that look like, number one? And then number two, sport will live on. I don't deny that or doubt it.

But having sports at the level we're talking about, national teams and the amount of money that goes into it, it's not a coincidence that the richer countries have the most success at that. Right. As the world changes, that stuff will constantly be influx long term. Like, I'm not saying America's going to fall apart tomorrow. That's not at all my point. But, like, if America doesn't fall apart and continues to do it. well, we'll keep up with the world in soccer. That'll change the whole, like in 50 years,

if we haven't fallen apart as a country, our soccer program will probably be on par with the world. What does that look like? You know, it's just hard to predict. I think every generation is going to think that their people are the best. Well, that's for damn sure.

And again, it's just, I think that like Trey's kids generation, they're just going to end up having to figure out a way to try to quantify it without championships because I don't think that like like dudes like Nick Sabin the Nick Sabin Bill Belichick type thing those are so fucking crazy and insane that like those dynasties and stuff like that like what we've seen with Tom Brady I know it's like records are

meant to be broken or whatever but like I just don't see that that's possible in like to if he plays like shit and gets the fuck beat out of him when you feel differently I'm generally curious do what if he? if he plays like shit in the Super Bowl and gets the fuck beat out of him when you feel differently because I think he got lucky against the Packers.

It takes some luck to go to the Super Bowl, but I do think he got lucky. He could have quit this year and I'd still say the same than I'm saying. I'm talking about everything he did with the Patriots. Like what he did with the Patriots, that dynasty and that's your team effort, I think that Tom Brady this year, again,

just getting the Super Bowl. You're right. Like there could be a lot of luck, but the guy's still in the fucking Super Bowl. Like, you know, luck is where preparation meets opportunity. Absolutely. He's still in the Super Bowl.

But like before that, like that type, I think that he's dispelled the whole, was I just a system quarterback bullshit, because he took Tampa Bay the goddamn Super Bowl. My point is, like, those two things meeting and going to fucking 10 Super Bowls, like, I don't see another person getting that opportunity, like, especially like, just the way Patrick Mahomes plays the game. I think Patrick Mahom is probably more apt to get injured. You know what I'm saying? Being a little bit more mobile. I don't know.

I genuinely don't know. Like with Patrick Mahomes, I want to see a guy who, I want to, we all like seeing the next fucking dude. Like, and my thing with Brady is like, yes, I'm sort of tired of, like, the part of me that's tired of seeing Brady win, somebody else needs to, but then there's also the huge sports fan in me who is like, dog, if I, if this motherfucker wins with the bucks, it's going to be fucking insane. I love greatness.

I got to a point a few years ago where I was like, okay, look, I acknowledge you're the greatest Brady, but please just fucking retire. Right. We're all over it. We're all done with it. But I've fucking circled back on it now. And look, yes, admittedly part of it is because I don't like the Kansas City Chiefs.

But I've fully circled back to like, shit, do your thing. Oh, man, fuck. God damn. At this point, see how far you can take this shit because this has just gotten ridiculous. This feels a little racist. I'm pretty uncomfortable. My point is, my point is that like, my home's right now, I think, to me, it's barely a question that he's the best in the league.

For sure. I think that. Rogers is close, man. I mean, he's like real close. They don't, Rogers. They don't have a defense. No, no, no, no, no, I know. And also their coach is a fucking idiot.

But, but like, I don't know, I look at my homes and I wonder, does this, because he's reinvented, he's reinvented the game. He's like, he's like Steph Curry in that way. Like, he's doing shit that I'm having to pause my TV and go, now I know that was just a fucking pass. It was bad,

the way. For sure. Steff's healthy. For sure. But like, do you know what I'm saying in terms of like, he does it so different that I'm like, is there longevity in that or is there a time where the defense? Because the thing about professional defenses is there's a lot of guys who can come out of college doing some fucking crazy different shit. They end up figuring that shit out. See, okay, because I don't like the chiefs, and I, I've had, disco, that's before my homes. Because I don't like the chiefs when my homes first popped, I was saying what you were

saying. But my homes is just different. That's not going to happen to him because you know who that's happened to. And he still hits and he just have a great career and I still like him a lot. Lamar Jackson is the most recent example of what you just said in real time. He was MVP last year, burst on the scene. Nobody could do nothing with him after. But he kind of got figured out. And this year he was much more like, and he still hits. And he does still hit. But like my homes, it's been three years now. And like, dude, they're just not. I don't think he's going to get figured out. I mean, I again, I hope not, by the way, As much as I don't like the Chiefs, I do like the guy.

I like Patrick Mahomes. And I'm a fucking, like, I'm a Titans fan first. But at the same time, I don't know. I'm kind of almost just a sports fan first. And I really, that's why, like, it's always been easy for me to put politics aside. Like, dude, fuck Brady and his politics and his Trump shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, Tiger Woods the same way.

But, like, I want to watch them play. And when they're doing it, I'm not sitting there going. and, you know, it's just so stupid to me when I'm like, Tom Gray's, Tom Brady's the greatest quarterback of all time. And somebody's like, you know, he's a Trump supporter. And I'm like, do you know that that has not one goddamn thing to do with what I just said? You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying I would like to fucking go on a date with him. I'm just saying that when I'm watching football and he's on the television, there's a really good chance that it's hitting harder than if he wasn't on the television. Speaking of hitting harder than if it

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Honey, just do it. Honey, just do it. Save you some money, honey. What about art? What about like music in terms of the generational conversation? I think most of our listeners will probably be more into that anyway. Yeah, I thought about that, but I was going to straight up bring up comedy first because that's the field we're in, and I always wonder, you know, getting too inside of comedy,

but keeping it to art in general, I don't know, man, look, look, I'm, it's going to be hard for me to not accidentally veer into the territory of the types of douchebags that piss me off talking about, like, you know, what you can't talk about anymore and shit like that. there's also the thing that I do think is true, and I think it's fine because you can find new ways to tell the same stories and still make it hit. So that's not that it's an excuse. But I just think it's a fact,

something that doesn't exist in sports is that, like, every time a thing is done and done well, it's kind of taken off the list a little bit. Do you know what I mean? At least for a long time, because you can't just rip some stuff off. Like, in the world of art, you can't. A new guy can come in the NFL next year and do exactly,

model himself completely after Patrick Mahomes and do exactly what Patrick Mahomes does on purpose. And if he hits at it, he will also hit an extremely high level. And he's not going to get called a hack. Right, exactly. But you can't do that in art. It doesn't work that way. So you have to be like, I think it becomes harder and harder to be like innovative and new and fresh.

The further you go down the timeline in art because more and more things are added to the pile of things that have already been done and done well. Yeah, that's why. Isn't it tough? inside your own head, inside your own reality to imagine a new thing, no matter what that reality is. I guess there's like upper limits to it,

but I guess what I'm getting at is like, yeah, great films have already been made, but whoever makes the next great film, especially if it's new and has new techniques and it looks different and feels different and sounds different, is that any more impressive than the first person who should, showed me how great a film could look. Do you know what I mean?

Because you seem to be saying it's getting harder, and I don't know if that's true. Well, there's something to that, like, that kind of skews my views on it, where it's like, I don't think, like, citizen, like, to me, there's been better movies than Citizen Kane, even though Citizen Kane is the, you know,

the Citizen Kane, that's the measure. But when you look at it from an outside perspective and go, yeah, but the movies that you like that you think are better than Citizen Kane were good because Citizen Kane fucking bulldoze this huge hole for them to, you know, make this railway out of. And the things that they, there's some things they were doing in Citizen Kane that the rest of the rest of the industry literally didn't catch up to, it took them 30 and 40 years to get there technologically wise, like some of the shots that he was able to pull off and the genius that he was able to use. So I mean, obviously as as as as

subjective as fucking sports are. I mean, it's exponentially different when it comes to art. And it's the same thing, too, with like, you know, okay, Roger Bannister runs the four-minute mile. Never been done before. As soon as Roger Bannister does it, though, like 10 people do it within a year because they find it all people need to know is, can I do this thing? That happens in sports, therefore somebody's going to end up being, therefore Brady's better

than Johnny Unitas because he saw Johnny Unitas do it. And he's like, I'm going to be better than Johnny Unitas. With films, they get, and with sports nowadays, they have the added benefit of way better health, way better lifting techniques, and fucking, you know, training. And in film, they have way more technology to do these things, whereas like back in the 40s, they would really want to get this shot, but it wasn't possible. Now, we got a fucking drone. Set it up.

Make it happen. So, like, I don't know. I really, like, that's one of the things I really wish. It would be so awesome to take. a guy like Quentin Tarantino and put him in the 20s and say make a movie using everything you got here and then take a guy like- Oh, he would love that shit. Well, that actually, actually that's a bad example. That's a bad, that's a bad example. Christopher Nolan.

Yeah, there you go. And put Christopher Nolan in the 20s and say you can only use the stuff you have here. Then take Orson Wales and put him in 2020 and go, you got fucking carte blanche son. We're at Marvel Studios. Let it rip. like it would that would be really interesting and I just I wish so much there was a way to quantify all that shit but I don't know to me right now we're I was talking to my mom the other day and and we were just like we talk you know once a day or once every two days and we really enjoy this show called Midsummer Murders on on Brit Box we'll plug for them there it's great it's like the Netflix for British shit and she and I told her I said she's on she went she's on like season 13 and we just started this bitch like two weeks ago And I was like, goddamn, Mama. I was like, I got all this other stuff to watch.

And mom was just like, yeah, well, just to me, there's nothing really good on TV right now. And I was just, and I was just like, sorry, Laura. No, I know for scoffing. Yeah, she's listening. I know. And I was just, but I go, and she goes what? And I go, well, I mean, we're in a literal fucking golden age, in my opinion. But you're right.

And then I had to be like, we're in a golden age for me. I don't, like, I don't. know that there's stuff being made for my mom right now. Like, like, I can't remember the last time I saw something that was like the steel magnolia is like that equivalent that would like catch my mom. Um, but like, right. It's, it's hard to beat right now. But I can't point my finger at like the one person that's responsible for that.

Everyone has gotten good because of David Simon and because of dude that did the sopranos. In TV, yeah, 100%. you're correct. But I think in movies, a thing has happened, the same thing that's happened in music, except in movies,

it hits for me because I enjoy the product on the movie side, meaning like, I like superhero movies and I like blockbusters as long as they're done well. So it hits for me. But it is a version of what's happened in music, I think, where it's like it's gotten heavily, heavily commercialized.

They find out, you know, what makes money, and that's the thing that gets all the resources, you know, meaning like the number one movies in the country used to be the best picture winners of that year, like Apocalypse Now and the godfather and shit like that. Yeah. And like, you know, but I'm not, I don't know.

I don't want to sound all Scorsesee where he's like just talking shit about, you know, the fucking popcorn movies or whatever because I love popcorn movies. They're hip for me. But I'm just saying like it is. And I think all that's cyclical too. think that will come and go. And also, there's still indie movies getting made, still really good artistic endeavors in the world of film. They just aren't on the same, you know, map as the way that they used to be in terms of popularity.

And it's a lot harder to get them made, which I don't think is a good thing for film in general. But I also think that at a certain point, I think it will circle back around. At a certain point, there will be some kind of fatigue with all this high-flying cape. Tiro stuff and something else will, you know, take its place. So I'm not saying that, oh, it's just, it's on a death spiral because it's not. But I think, like, it's just so objective and it changes so fucking much. It's almost literally impossible to compare the different eras and the outputs and whatnot. I also think the MCU, though, is kind of a Brady-Belichick situation.

And I'm just going to use, I'll use one action. as an example, just because it's easier. You've got Kevin Fiji's vision, all right, and you've got John Favreau's direction, and this all meets Robert fucking Downey Jr., who is just absolutely such a colossal talent. And then because of the success of that, they were able to get all these, like,

I don't know, man, like the Avengers, when the Avengers assembled, all the pieces just connected, and it was a fucking, but now the end games happened. I don't think that they're going to be able to recreate create in phase four, phase five, that magic. And because of that, I'm not saying that they can't make good things. Because, dude, I fuck, have you watched Wanda Vision yet? Yeah, I love it. I love it.

I think it's great. I think they're going to do a lot of cool things like that. But like, they're definitely downward trending just because they don't have Robert Downey Jr. anymore. They don't have fucking Captain America anymore. And when that happens, they'll probably, they're never, they're obviously not going to stop trying to recreate that because that would be stupid. They're going to fail and then you're going to start seeing more like shape of water shit come out, which I'm excited for. And I hope so. Yeah, that would be cool. And I tell you another thing that the three of us should particularly lament if we're being honest with ourselves, not that the three of us would be in that world anyway. But I think that, I think that them and

their ilk, the big blockbusters of recent years, I do think have pretty much murdered the big time Hollywood comedy for the nonce. It will come back. Comedy still get made. Some of them are fucking hilarious. Book smart is one that came out last year. It's hilarious. It's so good. Good comedies still come out, but they're one of two

things. They're either indie darling comedies, and for me, those can go either way. Some of them I'm not that into it all. Some of them I think are fucking great. But you can either do that, micro-budget type stuff, passion project type stuff, or the only ones ever have any kind of budget. And I think it's because of like the

lot buster nature of things. It seems to me like they have to also be somehow action. Yeah. Tropic Thunder. Yeah, or like, like, even things like game night,

which I thought was awesome. Yeah. There's like a heist and a caper and a criminal, you know, mastermind and all this shit in a, it's not just super bad. It's not just a comedy. And do tell me the last time there was just a comedy

that was like big time, you know, like tent pole comedy type thing that came out. out that really hit. I feel like the Will Ferrell movies and that and Judd Apatow, Judd Apatow shit a few years ago, knocked up and all that. Yeah.

40 year old virgin. Those were kind of the end of that for now. I think they'll come back. I think the super old movies, they're funny. Like, they're also funny. And I think that's why,

I think that's why it is. I think in people, in studio exec's minds, it's like, if people can go to see a super badass and super rab Marvel movie and also laugh while they're there, why would they go to just, laugh. Why would they go to just a thing to laugh at if there's no explosion? Cockblockers was the last

one I can think of. But I don't think it was that big, was it? Yeah, it was big. It was, I mean, it was John Cena. It was, uh, it was, uh, it was, well, it was that, it was big for a comedy nowadays. Correct me if I'm wrong. That took the Porky's American Pie genre and flipped it to girls. Yeah, it was the girl, yeah, it was the girls. It was kind of like they're super bad, like they're going to prom and shit like that. And a girl's going to lose a virginity and one, realizes she's a lesbian. I fucking loved it, but also I'm a fucking, you know, John Sina Mark. I think he's tremendous. I think John Sina, he's like a Justin Timberlake where I think that there's about three or four things that if he had tried as hard with them as he did at wrestling,

he would have just done them too. And for what it's worth, he really genuinely seems like a great guy. He's one of those dudes like Jimmy Carter where like, you know, like John Sina has fulfilled more make-a-wishes than any other person. And it's by like thousands or something like that. And it was like with Jimmy Carter. I've told this story before, but like, me and somebody were talking one time about Jimmy Carter. I'm like, I think he's like genuinely like the best president like of a person.

And they were like, I don't know if Jimmy Carter's actually, do you really think he's nice or he's a good person or he's just pretended all these years to be a good person? I was like, buddy, I got to tell you, if you pretend for 90, six years, you're a good, like, that is what being a good person. Probably better. Like, being a better. Like, you just sit around, I hate these motherfuckers, but I know I got to do this to be a good person.

That's the more impressive. It is more impressive. Like, when you're in a terrible mood, but you still go out of your way to put a smile on, that's what, that's the being a good part. Like, someone's just naturally smiling all the time. They're just crazy. You know what I mean? Like, but if you faked it for, somebody said it about Tom Hanks, too, they're like,

I think he's just really, he's, he's only a good person to get good press. Fucking whatever. Who gives a shit? But like, so my point was, literally my only point on that was I just really like John Cena. So maybe that's why the movie hit for me so much. The Jumangi movies, but you're right. The action, their action, fucking packed.

And they were geared towards, they weren't kids movies, but they were geared towards kids. Those movies rule. They do rule. But they're fucking action packed, though. Yeah, you're right. of what I was talking about. I love, freaks and geeks might be my favorite show. I just started it today again.

The scene where Bill watches Larry Sanders do stand-up comedy. And he's so cute. About twice a year I go watch that and cry. But it is so funny in Raven that Judd Apatow killed studio comedies. It's just, there's something so perfect about the idea that he was the last one for a while. I don't think he killed him. I just think he was there when they got killed. everybody else.

That's what I think. And the Apaton things too is like even him, like his last one, the King of Staten Island, which is a great movie by the way. But like it's also, it's not, well, there is some action elements to it. I mean, there's a robbery. But like it's, it's this depression and mental illness are at the forefront of that. It's not just a comedy. This is something with a message like super bad.

To be, Judd Apatow has always been pretty good for that. Like he was like he was the one that made it a big thing to like. Like have heart moments in the big time comedies and stuff. That was always part of his calling card. No, I know that. Which is for me, by the way. There's a huge difference between Superbad, two high school friends. One's going to a different college, and they're both trying to figure out how they feel about that.

And my dad died during 9-11. You know what I'm saying? Those are two different movies. Like, that's leaning way more into dromedy because, bro, in King of Staten Island, there are some heavy moments. There's not any in there's not really. really in super bad and that's great i'm fucking glad like the heaviest moment in that is like the girl gets a period you know and it's like oh no but but like yeah i don't know man like obviously i hope for us for our sake it's just like we're due you know what i mean what's that's coming back

around or also i mean hell it would just if if we just had a tv show that would hit real that would hit well i mean i think about that's gonna to my dream this shit is all i've ever wanted to do and when i was younger it was i wanted to make movies because my dad on a video store, but I already had shifted in my head from, yeah, of course I'd fucking love to make movies, but I shifted in my head before I ever hit, I shifted in my head to like, my

ultimate dream would be to make a TV show just because of what we're talking. I think TV is better right now and I think it's better comedy and stuff on TV and so. TV is and people may not know, the writer runs the show literally in TV and the writer is just

way down the totem pole in film. Right. Like, did You know that Justin Thoreau wrote Tropic Thunder? Yeah, that's so fucking crazy, isn't it? It's insane. I know, it's so wild. Let's, I want to circle back kind of, you're talking about the second Patrick Mahomes won't get any flack for copying Patrick Mahomes. There is a way you can copy that in the entertainment world.

If you eclipse whoever you copied, and that's what's going to happen to us, cuss. Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. And hey, if you're, I'm sure you're out there listening, guys, the next well-read group that's actually going to make the millions of dollars and be able to make the movies. We do wish you all the best. My only thing is like, don't forget us. Like, give us like tiny. On that note, not to make it awkward here, Chow, I've been thinking to myself lately, what if that person was Cho all along?

We never considered that. What do you mean? That would, that would, we've always had this running joke. Drew just said on the podcast about how like, yeah, we, because like, look, I'm not to just, you know, I love to jerk myself and us off, but like, objectively speaking, we were, we were a new kind of thing. We broke, I don't say broke barriers, but we broke some new ground in the comedy world. For sure. Shattered any earth.

And a lot of people don't like it at all. But still, it was a new thing. I don't care how you want to put it. And we used to always jokes like, yeah, we might have been the first ones. but like we won't be the big ones. There will be some other motherfucker who comes up behind us who will just, you know, build on what we started and just shoot to the stratosphere or whatnot.

We've always laughed about that. Like, oh, you know, that's going to happen or whatever. But I'm just saying, like, what if that person, what if the real that part? What if the real usurper was Cho all along? Yeah, the calls have been coming from inside the house. I've been waiting on you to bring this up because I knew if I brought it up, I would be considered, you know,

understand what I'm saying. I'm saying like that is hugely great news like as opposed to some like that's a that's a very positive twist of circumstance if that's what happens like I've been dreading this unseen unknown hypothetical usurper the whole time but if it ends up being the show then it's like well if the prince becomes the king we're still in the game well you know what if we're going to talk about that and that's totally fine I will say this something that I don't know that I've shared with you guys, but has meant a great deal to me over the past couple, especially weeks, but like months. I've had a, I'll make no buns bad. I had a really good pandemic.

Like, I don't, I don't mean that the way it's saying. I'm just, that's just the time frame is all I'm saying. Since the pandemic started and we had to, we had to be at home. And I bet I took the first two weeks off and watched the wire. And I just thought this thing will be over and we're going to go back on the road. And then when it like became apparent to me that oh my god, I don't know when we're going to go back on the road, I guess my fighter flight kicked in and I was like, you can't do stand-up, you've got to reinvent yourself. And so I came up with this feller called the buttercream dream. Did that, yada, yada, yada. It's been successful. I've come up with some other characters. And then I had, as you know, a couple weeks ago, pretty huge pop. The one thing that's been

very cool to me is I've had people tag me and you together and us together that didn't know that me and you knew each other and like you should tour the Trey Crowder or whatever but unless I and I'm sure there's been a couple people though I haven't seen anyone being like oh this dude's like a Trey Crowder rip off

you know what I'm saying and that really means that really means a lot to me because like obviously I try not to do that like it's just hard because and I've some people have asked me before and I was like, here's the deal. He's the liberal redneck, yes, but that's still who the fuck I am.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know, I don't know any other way to be. Like I, and that, like, to me, that's why like, I even, I mean, if you remember, when I started doing the buttercream dream, I came to you and I was like, is this too much like porch rants? Because like, at the end of the day, we're going to have the same motherfucking ideas on shit, you know, a lot of the time.

But, like, I'm trying to do it like this. and obviously you were like, no, that's cool. So I don't know any other way around it, but my point is like, yeah, if I ended up being the usurper, that'd be awesome because we need some new life in this fucking outfit. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Well, the prince is supposed to become king. It's just that usually he has to kill him.

Right, right. That's true. Yeah, and that ain't going to happen. Now, I've become the king father. You know, like the queen mother and all them shows are just like, just gets drunk and hits all the time. You're the, man. You're the queer ragent. Yeah, man.

Which one of us? Try. You are, you're the hand. Yeah. You just, well, I'm going to get murdered on the boat. But the thing is, if you're the usurper, I get to be on the boat. For sure. That's fine.

You know what I mean? Like, that's my only fear. My only fear is like I will see the boat of the person or persons who did what we do, but made it hit on a global level. And if it's Cho, it'll be like, well, I'm on the boat. Like, I didn't say I needed to own it. I just want to be on it. And if it's me, it's a pontoon.

So, yeah. That's what I'm talking about. That wasn't a metaphor. I literally meant a boat. So we're all clear here just so the Ravens are listening. In case the Ravens are listening, it could still be some other motherfucker. Of course. It probably will be.

We could still end up getting very much left behind. We're not counting a counter chickens for the hatch here. I mean, look, my thing is I think there will still be room for us because we're talented, but man, you know, this is so fucking raven. I don't know if I've told you, but like this whole time the pandemic, we've talked, I was like, man, I want the world to open back up.

I hate this, especially because of the actual tragic implications of a pandemic. However, I'd be lying if I didn't say, because of how hard we toured for the four years before that, that I have enjoyed being at home. Like, it's been neat. And especially because, like, at the beginning when you're like, well, I'm sure this will just be for a couple months.

I was like, I got to savor all this because once we go back on the road, that's my life forever. That's just what I do. So I'm going to enjoy this. And so because of that and because I was doing all these videos on the internet that was like, that was getting my creativity out there. And like, every time somebody shared it or liked it, I was like, that's a laugh. You know what I mean? And I got that response back.

But like the other day when I got an additional almost, it's getting close. to, I've gotten like 100,000 new followers in the past two weeks. Only then did I go, you know, I'd really like to get back out there. I know I can sell some fucking tickets right now. That's been killing me. I mean, I told you that. Yeah, so I missed the shit out the road right now. One of the first things I said was like, God damn, I wish we had fucking shows to push right now.

I'm fucking tickets to sell. But whatever, it'll, you know, they'll be here. Yeah. And guys, when you want to see us on a road. like I said, go to well-read comedy.com, W-E-L-L-R-E-D, Comedy.com. You can sign up for the newsletter, and that's where we'll tell you where we're going to be.

Keep your eyes posted for those live streams. We've been having a lot of fun with those. I told you all, I just wrote a new fucking bit about the Unabomber, very timely stuff. And I do this once in a while. I'll just write a joke that's like a reference from 30 years ago and try to make it work, and it doesn't. Once in a while.

Eight minutes out of the 30. Every single time you go of. Sort of sounds like you're starting to wrap up there, and I know we've been here for almost an hour. There was one more very silly and frivolous, but it just seemed like a good segue. Go ahead. Before you move on, let me say this real quick. Let me plug our TikToks.

Cho, I see you're on the come-up, baby. You're going to surpass me soon. I haven't posted one in a while. People are literally following me because someone made a dude. This guy took my sound from Twitter, like my rant and put it on there. If I'd actually put that on there, I would have one million TikTok followers right now. I think that's probably true.

So the reason I brought it up, let me tell you one thing I like about it. And it is going to be somebody else's boat, but just still kind of cool. My nephew, one of my nephews, one of Andy's nephews, but, you know, by marriage. Anyway, he sent me this video as the guy did. It was liberal redneck at a job interview.

Oh, no. And it was great. It was really funny. That's what I was worried about. And I thought, yeah, it was very funny. And I followed the guy, and he had a few more funny videos. And then he made a video about Kentucky,

like about how he lives there and he don't hit for him. And I just made a response like, hey man, let me tell you what I like about Kentucky. Fucking you, dude. Like, you're what I like about Kentucky because people like, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then he was like, holy shit, dude, I can't believe you're on TikTok. I can't believe you follow me.

I'm a big fan. I've been following you guys. I've been to two shows. Did he think you were me? No. And we were making videos. we've been making videos together, but what I'm getting at

is I was like, oh, man, I guess there's an outside chance that whichever one of these motherfuckers does this, I'll get to, like, hang out on set. Yeah. Cory, you see this? No, look, now, I'll tell you what's happened here.

This guy, he sounds sweet, okay? I'm glad he found inspiration in my work. That's awesome. But you see what's happening here, Corey. You said earlier, you said, Drew, no, you're the hand. No, he's fucking Little Finger, because you see what he's doing. He's out here courting the usurpers.

He's finding the usurpers, and he's slithering his way in with them is what he's doing, trying to hedge all his bets. You don't want your hand doing that. You want your hand just ignorant of the usurpers. You don't want to remember camps. You can push me and Joe out the moon door whenever you and the usurper go up to the. Me and you will not fit both at the same time through the moon door.

I'll push y'all into a pile of moon pies. They'll be stuck up against each other. They'll be stuck in a moon pie. No, I'm just fucking around. If you don't want, Your hand. It was out there fucking with the usurpers, then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is that hands do.

By the way, I did immediately regret calling you the hand as soon as I said it, but I wasn't going to, it didn't mean anything to the bit, but Trey's right. I see what you're doing. All right, listen. I'm the hand.

Okay. The silly and frivolous subject I wanted us to cover is food-related show, so it'll be fun. Yes. There's two things. I'll say. First things, first. I found this on the Internet over the weekend.

It's from over 10 years ago. It's from like 2007. And I don't, this is real. Okay? If you somehow know that it isn't, I don't think you can know because I tried to Google it. It's like a piece of internet lore, but to me, this is real. And I just really like this.

Yeah, I will. And yes, and whenever, let me set it up first. So if y'all are listening, you know, probably know you're probably up on your politics. I don't know if you remember politics for 2007, back in the George Bush era, it was a simpler time. Republicans were, you know, fighting unjust wars and John Edwards was cheating on his cancer wife.

Absolutely trading blood for oil and all that. And also, lest we forget, Republicans were hating gays and sucking dicks in airport bathrooms. That's right. If you remember, they had a big thing. It was real hot in the Republican world at the time to outwardly hate gays and then get caught sucking dick in a bathroom. Favorite thing. One of the ones who was real trailblazer on that front, first guy to get caught doing it,

I believe the airport bathroom guy, if y'all remember, was Idaho Senator Larry Craig, okay, GOP, very homophobic, got caught in an airport bathroom with a dude, y'all remember all that? Well, what I just found out was apparently, and this is like a relic from an older internet, there used to be a thing called Congress cooks, right? It's like a congressional cookbook. It's like your U.S. Congress people share their favorite family recipes, all right? And this, let me see if I can get my screen ready to share here, this is Idaho infamous Idaho Senator Larry Craig's contribution to the 2007 edition of Congress cooks. Can you all see it?

It's a dictator right there on the left. Yeah, okay. So for those of y'all who... I didn't even consider that. Yeah. For those of y'all who are audio only, let me read this to you. The recipe is entitled Super Tuber. he's got a little intro up top says super tuber is a great snack that is that uses one of my favorite vegetables, the Idaho potato.

Of course, I suppose any type of potato could be used, but I can not guarantee that a supertuber made with anything but a true Idaho potato would taste as good. Sincerely, Larry E. Craig, United States Senator. Here are the ingredients, everybody. One hot dog cooks choice. So, you know, you can use your wainer connoisseurism to its full effect. one Idaho baking potato, seven to 10 ounces, good size Idaho potato, mustard for dipping, any style, other condiments as desired. Here are the instructions.

Wash and dry potato rub with shortening or butter. Oh, God. With an apple corer or small knife, core out the center of the potato, end to end. I like how you rub it with grease before you do surgery on it. Right, right, right. Sharp thing. Anyway, core out the center of the potato end-to-end. Push hot dog through center.

Bake until potato is cooked through. And then they give you some options. You can microwave it. You can bake it at conventional oven. You can barbecue it wrapped in aluminum foil and at the bottom. Serving suggestion. Allow potato to cool slightly. Eat as a finger food.

That's the best part. Yeah. Dipping in your favorite hot dog condiments, parentheses, mustard is my, favorite. If y'all aren't watching, there's a picture of the Super Tuber at the bottom, and it is hilarious. Depression on a plate. It's just Idaho depression on a plate. It's a potato with a hot dog through the middle of it sitting in the center of the plate. Also, not for nothing. Looks like a dick and a butt. It looks like a dog's wiener. You grease it up and shove a wiener into a hole. Now, yes. So to defend this man a little bit, I absolutely would go to town on that bad boy. I would be jeezed. You know what? and chili or something like this. I would need some real shit to dip it in, but if I had that, I could.

Yeah. Well, you know what that is, though? He didn't do that. Like, he's, you know, unless he had a grandma's thing, which he clearly don't, I fucking hope. Some aid or whatever was like,

hey, you got to do this cookbook, and he's like, just do something Idaho-based. And that aid did that on purpose. That is my belief. They knew that he was a closeted gay man who also hated gay people, and they found,

it funny to do that. Well, I was about to say, like, he definitely didn't take the picture, because I've never seen a gay person take that shitty of a picture. You know what I mean? Like, there's no lighting. There was no plating. It looked very bland. The wiener looked wrinkly. They never do that. Drew is almost certainly correct, but I choose to believe he did do this just because of how perfect it is in so many ways. It's also perfect. It's like, of course, the Idaho, the fact that he's the Idaho senator, do you know what I mean? It's such a, like, old white, milk toast, boring, fucking, like, pandering while sucking type of moved.

You know what I mean? It's like, well, you know any of my favorite food items always include an Idaho potato right here in the great state of Idaho. And then it's just so, like, dumb. Like, why not have a, why not just do a twice baked potato, like, make it regular? Well, I like the aid theory because to me that's funnier only because that would mean there was a time period, and that time period maybe right now, that he didn't know that his dumb fucking face is beside that dumb fucking picture.

Yeah. I like to think about him looking at it and being like, uh, I know what the joke is. Either one is funny, but I think, and I will use this to segue in the other thing. In this case, I think it's funnier if it's coming from a place of sincerity, right? I do too. Because it's just so fucking perfect. That's why I said up top, if you somehow know that this is actually a, it's not true, just don't tell me.

I don't want to know. Because believing this and believing it was a sincere attempt is what makes this really land for me. No, that was evening skews. Me and Mark were talking recently on Eveningeskews, and I think it was when Cho was on there talking about Georgia about like intentionally bad movies and how a lot of people seem to not understand

that like the sincerity is what makes an unintentionally bad movie good. Like the famous example, the room, Tommy Wasoe or whatever, he was doing his absolute best. Yes. That's what came out of it, and that's why it hits. That's exactly why it hits. When you try to make one that's bad on purpose

to make it funny, that shit don't work. It's got to be a sincere attempt. Right, but I'm laughing at the aid doing this to him on purpose, which I would argue is a good comedy movie. Right. Yeah, yeah. It's a Joe.

It's a, yeah, it's a joke. which takes the piss out of that guy, which is funny. But I'm just, so on the subject of sincerity, and we could show this too, but I feel like we don't need to, because I know it's just been, I know it's been all over the place. I feel like almost everybody's saying at this point,

and if you haven't, you can look it up. The Spaghetti-O-Pie video. Yes, please. Are you going to show that? Please do. You want me to show it? Okay. Yeah, because I couldn't decide

if I should show it or not. You should, because if people haven't, like, we'll describe it, but like people on YouTube, and by the way, thank you, everybody. And if you're not, if you're out there and you just listen to this podcast audio-wise, it's so fucking, we're so dumb that we just don't tell people this. The full podcast every week is available on video form on YouTube, on Tray's YouTube page. And it's hilarious.

We just have never mentioned it. We really haven't. I upload it to there and obviously your subscribers see it. And then I maybe sometimes tweet a link. But like, if you don't know that, you can watch the entire show and see what we're talking about on the screen. and much like we prefer you to listen to our book instead of read it, I think it's funnier to see our trashy dumbasses. I will warn you, Drew, is never wearing a shirt.

All right. Okay, so yeah, I'll pull this up. Again, if y'all didn't see it, I'll just show it to you. This is where I saw it. I was just dicking around on Reddit, but it's been all over the place. And on Twitter, it has to be split into two parts because of the time limit. So I went to Redix. Here's the full video, which is three minutes, but fuck it.

I'm going to. Let it real. I'm going to show it. So make sure I share the sound here. Click dead. y'all can see it right yeah god i haven't seen the whole video sorry but until right now it's uh she's pouring spaghettios into a pie well hold on yeah spread it around make sure the chunks are all spread equally yeah spread it around get some chunks equal baby i like spaghettios for the record

i do like i like i like spaghettiOs i do like spaglias family recipe please pay attention to this part right here everybody. She's spreading butter on some plain pieces of bread. Who doesn't like spaghetti Italian? Spreading it like a four-year-old. Get the garlic powder. Yeah, so my mom did that, ma'am. Dump it. Dump it on there.

Also, that butter should be... Look, now look. Now see, she's gently massaging the freshly garlic buttered bread with her bare forearms. She's wearing a sweater, by the way. She pulled her sleeves up, and now she's tenderizing the butter bread. She said, she called it real Italian food. This is clearly self-aware. Okay.

Well, that's the thing I want to talk about, but let's get, let's watch the rest of it first, I guess. No kid wants that. No kid wants that. She says that she cuts the crust off of it. Did crust, did crust hit for y'all as a kid? I never mind to care. Because I was a fat kid. Yeah, I love it.

I wouldn't say I love the crust, but, I mean, again, as a fat kid, it certainly never bothered me. If it was toasted, it hit, like a grilled cheese. I think my dad Tillamook cheese, which is actually solid cheese by the way. She's put in, she's bastardizing this with some tillamook cheese. Tillamook cheese deserves better

in this application. And then look, more garlic powder. Fuck ton of it. I haven't done anything but freshly graded in about a year now. What the fuck? Skim milk. What?

Just, okay, right. Exactly. She pour skim milk in the pie with the spigalas and cheese. Now she stirs it up. It's all going to cook right in here. We're almost there.

And by the way, her sleeves are now back down to normal length, which means their wrist length, which means her sleeves are just touching her freshly garlic buttered forearms. And it's like a coalsy type sweater, like a white girl's sweater. This is an only fan's thing, isn't it? And that's what this is. We're misinterpreting. Amazing. She put another layer of spaghettiOs on top.

This is all in a pre-made pie crust, by the way. Also, by the way, I made a from scratch chicken pot pie the other day. It was flame just everybody knows. No, I would like you to send me that recipe, please. I will. Almost there. I want the pot pie recipe. I like pop pie.

Oh, my God. Yeah, I know. Putting the bread on top now as though it's like the top layer of the pie, as though it's like the pie crust. She's putting that bread up there. What the fuck? Now you're going to come. Sorry, I think someone's in my back.

Nice kitchen set up. It is a nice kitchen. I think, I mean, I'm sure Katie. This is my best one yet. I'm sure Katie. Oh, my gosh. That bitch just said this is my best one yet. This is the third time she's done this.

For the record, I'd eat it. Yeah, I'd eat the shit out of that. So, okay. It's just tomato slop with bread. Yeah. Here's the, so here's the question, right? And actually, I'm going to. Trade's about to get murdered by a white, trash Italian.

She had no fucking clue what's going on out there. He's on to me in my paws. Just going to try not to worry about it. That's my wife, you motherfucker. shit. So anyway, yeah, Drew said, no one, I feel like there's a huge debate online about, like, what is this? Because a whole lot of people are just infuriated because they're like taking it completely at face value as a completely sincere attempt. And they're like, what the fuck is wrong with this person? And I see people saying things like, yeah, this is the official. It's like, no, this is definitely real. You never been to Utah. This is like how people do in Utah.

Like shit like that. But I don't. I think that it's self-aware. I think it's some kind of either satire or trolling or something. I don't know exactly what she's going for with it. Because Katie actually recognized this girl. And Katie, Katie can't stand her. Katie's like, you know, hate watches this girl. Apparently her other stuff.

So she does more? Yes, a lot more. Are they all like this? This is definitely her masterpiece, I think. But I'm saying, like, they all in the same vein. Because, like, it's hard. That's the thing with the internet. It's so hard to like tell sometimes.

But like here, to me, here are the tails. The, and I want to show another example. The arms are the tail. Yes. That's what that's what the one. And the sweater. Yes, the aren't. Her wearing that sweater.

Because, okay, Mark, smart Mark we normally call him. Might be dumbass Mark in this scenario. When we were group texting about this, Mark said, I said, yeah, I've seen that. I think it's self-aware or whatever. And Mark said, okay, see, this is because you never went to church, Trey. Here's a deal. Nice. I know this girl.

I know a bunch of girls like this, and they don't know what a joke is. She ain't making a joke. This is sincere. This is real. And I told him, I was like, well, dude, I knew girls like this too. Not just because I didn't go to church. My college girlfriend was this archetype of woman. And to me, the tail is the sleeves on the sweater when she mushes that buttery bread up with her bare forearms and bare hands and then just lets the sweater drape back over it.

like I could see somebody making something like this for your black trash kids. It's also how nice that sweater is, how nice that kitchen is. The house is, yeah. Yeah, like there are church ladies who make trash, and then there are church ladies who take themselves very seriously and wear sweaters like that, and they would never get their elbows literally greasy doing that. And him saying that to you would be like somebody watching your original liberal redneck video

and going, nah, I know, I know rednecks, they don't talk like, you know, like having that argument about that. Like this ain't self-aware or whatever, you know? Mark, I hope you're listening right now. Smart Mark. I know. Smart Mark deserves the nickname Smart Mark. He's a very intelligent person.

Motherfucker is... Whenever I have a question politically, I just ask Mark, because I know he's read to shit, and I know he can explain it in terms that I understand. But Mark is Gen X, which is Boomer Light. That motherfucker believes goddamn everything on the internet. He shares something every fucking day where he's like, can you believe this?

I'm like, Mark, come on, bro. That's parody dog And he's like I don't care I want it to be true But like dude I just can't Again you'd have to show me

Like you'd have to show me Her other videos But like If her other videos Aren't that bad But she They are They are

But they're less like I hate the word Use the word But nuanced Her other videos are more like They're more on the nose With their like Do she have a lot of

Does she have a shit Okay Well then it's Then she It's a bit Katie, her thing is like, no, no, no. She's one of these, like, influencer types that just lives in a big McMansion with a bunch of other influencers, and they just think up the dumbest or craziness videos they can make just to get views.

Yeah, because people hate Click more than they love Click. And that's what Katie is saying she's doing. It's a bit, man. I thought it might be self-aware in a, like, kind of purposely satirical way. Right. She was making fun of something. And Katie's like, no, no, no. She just does wild-ass random.

shit just to try to get used with it. I hate that more than any of those genres. Self-aware satire that was a little off, or she really thinks this is a good dish over whatever the fuck you just described every day or a week. Because the difference is like, the difference is like I know some people who like, and I've seen them in the world, like they've messaged me on Twitter trying to like, hey, will you follow me back? We'll share each other's videos and like I'll try to figure them out.

They don't, they're not comedians. They don't want to be actors. They don't want to be. They don't even, some of them don't even think they're comedians. They literally, they want followers no matter what. To them, that's the end game is just followers. And like, that's, that's a type of crazy. Like, if this person's like, if, if, my point is, if that girl was a comedian,

if she wanted to be a comedian, she was like, I'm going to do these, like, these videos that, who knows if it's real, who knows if it's fake. And it's going to get me a bunch of clicks and I can get some ads and I'll make some money. And then that'll further my comedy. I'm like, I get that shit. Like, do your thing. But if like, you're literally just a person that's like, I bet if I do this, people will click on it. But it brings no value to the world.

You're insane. So I wanted to show another one real quick. This one's a minute long. And to all the people, because a whole lot of people out there, Mark is not alone. A whole lot of people out there like. I know. There's a bunch of dips sheds. Yeah.

They're like, no, no, no. No. This is real. This is sincere. It's insane, but she means it sincerely. And I'll show you an example I saw on the same subreddit, just a few posts underneath that one, that this one is what y'all think the Spaghetti-O-Pie is, in my opinion.

Like, this is completely sincere. I know plenty of people who, to them, this is what cooking is. This person thinks this hits, like there's no ounce of satire or any kind of shit. I see some bull, yeah. Okay, just so anyway, this one is. Easy dinner recipe that's better than Olive Garden. Heat up some water for Angel Hair Potson. Add some chicken bouillon because we like spicy food.

Take a pound and a half of shrimp. Add a teaspoon of garlic and a half stick of butter. Let that cook. Add some baby red tomatoes, however many you like. More chicken bouillon because we hate bland food. It adds salt and pepper to taste. Add about a teaspoon and a half of beasel and parsley. Like I said, we don't measure.

Add one to two blocks of cream cheese. Three-Lay cream cheese. Two blocks of cream cheese. Make a hit. Let that melt together. Here comes to half and half. No, that's heavy cream. Whole bottle.

Let's make a hit. Then throw about a full eight-ounce bag of Parmesan cheese. Let that melt. A pre-sreaded parmesan. Add about a half-tobes. It's healthy, though. Got the spinach in it. Then let that cook down.

Got to get your vitamins. After that's cooked down, add your spaghetti mixture. Then it's ready to serve. I promise your family I love it. It's better than Olive Garden. What was the noodles? they're in there at the end. At the first she put

chicken bouillon into a pot of water to cook the noodles in, but you never saw them again. But then later she mixed them in with the sauce and the shrimp. Those shrimp looked cooked at the beginning of the video. And if you noticed the time on the stove, those shrimp were just boiled for like 40 fucking minutes. They just don't have it. And cheese and cramp and cream and shit.

They're going to be straight up rubber. But like, okay, like that, I don't doubt that a bit. Like, dude, my, you know, so nobody's going, this ain't going to get back to her, whatever, hell, she'd laugh about it probably. My mother-in-law pretty much be cooking like that. Like in Wayne County, that's like, that's pretty much, that's pretty standard fare right there. That's some chicken to Midwest. And I bet it tastes in decent.

I bet it tastes. If you're a fat, fat kid at heart, like me and you are, I'm sure it does taste fine. But it's like putting that on the internet as a, like, you know, culinary offering. right is of course absurd and she does not realize that like in her head she's like i'm hitting that is what that video is and that is not the same thing no spaghetti oh pie in my a lot of people think it is but it ain't well that at least it looks like a meal right so like go ahead it also like no grown normal person thinks white bread is what you put on a pie or that you would make quote unquote Italian pie with spaghetti hos.

Whereas you could, I can see someone being like, that's all it is. That's all Alfredo is is cream cheese. You didn't know that? Like, you know, like it's like one's a little dumb and the other one's insane.

Like that's a thing to me like whenever like, I love what we do. We be in rednecks sometimes because sometimes we literally just, oh, make it hit. But like, you know, like if somebody that I know,

like my wife will make like that, it's called million dollar spaghetti or whatever and it's like uh me and trade me and you've talked about before like it's fucking cream cheese and uh it's a spaghetti and then you got to block of cream cheese in there and then they like bake cheese over it and then there's like a cream of chicken soup can or something it's just a mess i mean dude of course of course if it's around i'm going to town on it but like i see our redneck brothers and sisters like they treat pasta in this complicated-ass way. And it's like, dude,

why are you doing all this extra shit when it hits all, do you understand what I'm trying to say? Yes. You don't need to put a block of fucking cream cheese in there, just put a little Parmesan and shred that bitch. There's this there's this white trash, Midwestern and Southern like food culture. But the thing is, in the South, we also have like the hit in this food in the whole world.

Because of black people. We're talking about white. Yes, because of black people, but this white people in the South can do it. It's black people's stuff that we, but like, Mama Cat, who I talked about a couple episodes ago, that's all she did was make legit soul food. You know what I mean? And she actually hit at it. Yeah. But, but the other side of the food going in the white trash world in the South and then also in the white trash Midwest is this whole like just, it's just cream cheese, cream of chicken soups, like canned soups, you know what I mean? And like just, casserole.

casseroles. And hell, I made a casserol the other day. I made a tater-tot casserole the other day just because I wanted one. And it slapped. Listen, it's good. No, no, no. I love casserole.

Amber made me a chicken casserole. My mama's recipe when I was sick. It's my favorite thing. It's, you know, shredded chicken and cream of chicken soup mixed together and then a little bit of sour cream and then crackers on top. I get that that's trash.

I get that that's trash. All I'm saying is that when it comes to pasta, The just normal way to do it hits harder. Right. And it's easier if you know what you're doing. Right. So why are you doing that shit?

Like casserole is its own thing. But like, yeah, like this better than Olive Garden. First off, my God, the bar you've set. Right. I know. And that's what I'm saying. That's another, like, and you know, that's what I mean. Like in this part of the world and in this part of the culture,

Olive Garden hits real hard. Yeah. This hits harder. What hits harder? This cream cheese, heavy cream, chicken. bullion shrimp abomination or whatever, which again, I would eat, and I'm sure it tastes fine, but it's just,

it is what, you've got to recognize what it is. For sure. And I'm an elitist, and I know that because, like, when I watch somebody open a bag of Parmesan cheese, I'm like, motherfucker shred that shit. Are you kidding me? The block was right there. It's not that hard. Like, you just put it back in. Like, I don't know, man. Like, just sometimes to me,

they, in an attempt to be like, we're just simple, we do things simple. It's like, you're actually doing it way harder. And if you just did, if you just, if you boiled them motherfucking noodles, okay, and then shredded some fresh parmesan on there. And look, keep your cream if you want to. Put a splash of cream in there. Mix that up. Got some fresh ground pepper and put it on there.

It's a million times better and actually fucking hits harder. and I also guarantee you them noodles was bolt to the point that they literally were fought like you could just motion with your tongue. Like, you know, when you go with jello, you could do that with them noodles. Like you need a little bit of bite, man,

some mouth feel. What the fuck is wrong with these people? That's right. Amen, brother. Preach it. All right, well, don't call it on missing. Yeah, that'll hit. All right, well, see y'all next time.

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