wellRED podcast - #208 - That Impeachment Trial Sure Was... an Impeachment Trial!

Episode Date: February 17, 2021

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And a post-justice world. Is that right? I know much justice. Yeah. Yeah, we definitely have, we are post justice in the world. Justice. No more justice. Obviously, we're talking about the, uh, Trump being acquitted of all the insurrection stuff by the Senate. I mean, I'm sure you all feel the same way generally as me,

which is that like, I mean, I'm the very polar opposite of surprised. I was writing it off the whole time as an actual possibility. I knew 100% that that's what they were going to do. But it still pisses you off, you know, especially because after they did it, a lot of them, Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham and them were talking about how it or not me, about how guilty Donald Trump was, like literally saying like McConnell was saying like there's no question, absolutely no question that Donald Trump was both practically

and morally responsible for what happened. And he's responsible for the thing that I just voted to acquit him of, you know, not two hours ago or whatever it was. And that's the part that pisses you off. also isn't surprising. To me, that's the, that was kind of the most infuriating part because it's like,

God damn, like, normally, I mean, I know that we like to joke about how transparent those people are, but like, you know, that's very,

like literally to vote one way and then come out later and be like, you know, right. Like, it's just, they're so brave. Yeah, it's shameless.

It's shame. It's shame. Utterly shameless. Yeah, right. Right, right, right, right. Like Mitch McConnell literally just right after, like, I just got to tell you, it's absolutely morally reprehensible. Well, then motherfucker. Say that with your vote. Like, nobody gives a fuck what you think unless you do it at the ballot box, which is what you got elected for. Like, what the fuck even, like, we all know that the system is fucking broken. But I don't, I think with this, you see in plain sight, like, just exactly how broken it is.

And I saw, like, so many black people commenting on my video, all being cool, like, none calling me an ass or anything. Because I was, I'm going to put a video out where I was like, this is how it was always going to happen. And all these black people were just like, ask us. You know what I mean? Like, because liberals so pissed me off, like this, the whole presidency, they go, Donald Trump's going to look great in an orange jumpsuit.

And I'm like, are you out of your mind? Are you out of your fucking mind? Quit it. You're embarrassing yourself. Right. Mark, smart Mark on our show The Skews has kind of gotten on to me, or everyone put it before for being, because right after, like the first episode we did after the insurrection,

the capital rights and everything, I was saying then I was like, I was like, dude, they ain't gonna, there's no fucking way they're gonna do shit about this ultimately. I was like, even if he gets impeached or whatever, they're not going to do it. And Mark was just like, you know, just saying basically,

like when you can't be defeatist like that because it almost like lets them off the hook for ultimately not doing it or something like that. It's like if everybody just accepts that they won't, then of course they won't. But you know, like he was saying, you got to keep pointing out like, no, they could, you know, like reiterate. They could. It's not like treating it as a foregone conclusion that they won't is kind of just like, like I said, I don't let them off the other They won't. Whatever, but they won't, but the whole time I was like, right, but they won't, though. Like, I'm telling you they won't.

And he was also, he was like, no, I know they won't. I'm just saying you can't just say that they won't. You got to say that they should until they don't. And then they didn't. And I was like, okay, but they won't. Mark, if you're listening, fuck you in your dumb words. Speaking of dumb words, let's talk about what McKinnell, McKinnell, Lord God, he belongs in McKinnell.

Yeah, that's a puppy sandwich. about McConnell what he actually said, which is, I think he's guilty, but I can't vote to convict him because after deep reflection, his words, after deep reflection, I don't believe that the Senate can hold a private citizen accountable for something, even if they did it when they were in office, because we can only impeach somebody while they're in office. So I blame. He said, I think he called it Unfortunate Scheduling Decision by Nancy Pelosi To have the hearing after Donald Trump was gone. Now, he also refused to convene his own branch During the time when Donald Trump was in office

So that his branch could vote on it. Right. In other words, he refused. to hold a hearing or any hearings or Senate meetings on this topic until Donald Trump was no longer president and then he said now that he's not president

my hands are tied and the transparency and bravery of that like piggybacking of what you said Corey I mean it's just it's Machiavellian openly it's so openly it's truly gut-wrenching

and the reason that I say fuck Mark is you asked us, you ask us to be insane people. You ask us to speak as if a reality exists that does not. Right. Yeah. And that's the, that, that really is the scary part. Like most, you know, especially all black people and most smart people, except Mark, knew the right and was on the wall, even when they're not being this overtly transparent about it.

and we know it's scary and we know it's dangerous, but like this is, this is a whole new level where it's literally them coming out and publicly going, what's you going to do, motherfucker? This is how this goes. I mean,

granted, they're the minority now, so maybe the tone changes here forward. Like, this was like the last thing they could do. Am I wrong? So they have a kind of on. Two thirds.

Right. Yeah. That's the other thing that's crazy about America. Yeah. He was convicted by a majority. Right. the number of Americans who are represented by that majority outnumbers by 77 million, the number of Americans who are represented by the people who said acquit.

Yeah. So on the note of what you said, Corey, about like moving forward and they're the minority now or whatever, here's the thing. You know, I try to look for silver linings and stuff, and I just want you all tell me if you think I'm reaching with this. But I think it's like they always talk out of both sides of their mouth. that's what politicians do. But I think that, like, in particular, like, looking a little deeper into this most recent example of it,

I feel like McConnell and them feel like they're in a position where they can't afford to alienate literally any segment of their electorate. Like, even the lunatic treasonous segment or what, it doesn't matter, because if they lose a sliver of, you know, dedicated GOP voters, then they aren't competitive or viable anymore on a large scale going forward. So they're having to try to like, you know, please both sides. But like, and then behind the scenes,

the side, the fucking dumb white revolutionary side is not really compatible with the corporate puppet master keep everybody content while we suck them dry side you know what i mean like because this type of shit is bad for business and those are the people that really run you know dictate pull mccannell strings are those people the corporate bigwigs and stuff i'm sure he can't stand the fucking lunatic rioters but right he knows he can't he feels he can't you know alienate any of them he's got to try to placate them too because like that's how close they are to not being you know a viable unified party is that just a bunch of whole shit you think or like because i think that's uh you know

you could look at that optimistically in my opinion let me try to let me try to put it in my simplified show brain are you basically saying like look the tight rope he's already walking looks like it's about to snap. Yeah. I mean, if we're, if all we can, all we can, since all we can do right now is look for silver linens, yeah, I definitely think that's one of them. I definitely think like going forward, knowing that he's now the minority leader, which that was the only fun thing to see was that Kyron under his name during the impeachment.

And for the record, I didn't watch the whole goddamn thing. I did the whole, I did the bill Burr thing where it's like with the draft, you know, where it's like, they're going to have the list tomorrow, you know, like, I'll just fucking, I'll go while watch evening skews. But, yeah, I think that's true. And also, like, now with Georgia having flipped.

Right, because that's like what happened there. That's in play. Trump literally told people not to vote, basically, and enough people didn't vote in Georgia that they lost. And I'm saying, like, if that continues to happen, if Trump, like, keeps showing up with his people.

It's so funny. I know. And that's what McConnell sees that. So, like, if Trump, Trump going forward, if he takes all his rabid dogs that he has and he pulls them away, then the Republican Party, they can't survive. So, like, so McConnell has, he feels like he has to try to keep everybody together as much as he can because that's how, like, fragile. I think they actually are right now, which hits for me.

I'm not saying they won't figure it out. No, I know. Pull out of this and end up even worse. They'll figure something out. But I'm saying, I think they're actually, I think this, if you, a certain way to look at this is they are in a pretty precarious position right now and they know it. And so, you know, that is. It depends on what his goal is and what your goals are. I think, I think that that man will consolidate power no matter what.

What I would be hopeful for is that either he will have to or attempt to capitulate to Trumpism so much that it will. split the GOP and then they'll have to reinvent themselves and then upon that reinvention they will be more reasonable or in an attempt to not need the Trumpers he will try and consolidate with less extreme groups which will also the result will be that the right wing of this country becomes a little in my opinion less scary but in terms of whether not Mitch McConnell is going to lose power I don't believe that at all man And also to be even more, I guess, dark about it, he already won. Right.

I mean, with the judges they have in place and the gerrymandering they've already done, Mitch McConnell, if you look at his career, like if his goal was to implement what he calls conservative policy and consolidate power around those, that motherfucker already won. Yeah, but I guess I've just said those first two things you said about what he'll have to do in order to keep his party, you know, like competitive or whatever. I mean, both of those things are preferable, in my opinion, than the alternative. You know, like, I'm saying I think the Trump-Trumpism part of the Republican Party isn't going away, and they're going to have to grapple with that one way or another.

And I don't think, I don't think deciding to completely head in that. direction, like fully embracing the Trumpy type shit as a Republican Party, I don't think will ever work for them because of, like I said, the sort of like their corporate puppet masters or whatever. Yeah, the tax breaks are there for them. But, I mean, you literally had all these business lobbies sending letters to people to hold them accountable after the insurrection. When it got to the point of the insurrection, the fucking, you know, the big corporate types, whatever looked at and were like, oh, oh, this shit might be a real problem. if we don't do something. You know, bad for business. I mean,

so I don't think they're going to. I guess I'm just, I don't think he'll do that. I guess I just don't feel super positive about, you're right. I guess I just don't feel super positive about businesses saving us. No,

hell no, but when y'all hear the, when y'all do hear the people that are going like, you know, these, these GOP senators and Congress people who are like,

look, man, if we're going to save this party, we have to start our own shit because the GOP is now the party of Trump. We got to start our own. shit. Is there part of y'all that that's like super attractive to you on account of you look back at 2016 with what happened with Bernie and Hillary and you go, yeah, I mean, that'll work for us. You know what I mean? Like, if they do that shit, then they're just going to be splitting themselves

down the middle for the next four to eight fucking years. That, right, that's exactly what I'm saying. I think McConnell, I think he realizes that that could happen and he's trying to figure out a way to keep that from happening. Because yes, if they, if they start like a fucking Trump party, or something with Trump party candidates and whatnot, they're not going to win hardly shit. Like in the most gerrymandered districts or whatever they would, but like because they will split their own vote. They'll win local shit.

You're right. They will win local shit. But I think that like the big power players like McConnell and them are terrified of that type of thing happening because they know they would be in real rough shape if it did. And that's, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't think they're in a, you know, I don't think, I feel like they can't be feeling too good about what they're at now looking for.

I think they're nervous, but I could imagine a pivot of, I mean, look, it's what we've been begging some wings of the Democratic Party to do. If there's a Trump party, quote unquote, and it at least pretends to be against big business and big business interest, McConnell will jump on that bandwagon because it will be very popular and it will be. terrifying. It will be a right-wing populist party, and that is some Italian fascism-type shit. And businesses, at first, we'll be against that. Eventually, they'll just have to adjust. And you'll see, you know, instead of a trans character in Star Wars, you'll see a fucking racist one or whatever. Well, I mean, just like anything, the businesses will end up paying off them motherfuckers to just say whatever they want. That never works. You know what I'm saying?

like that whole big business shit never works because the big like all any of these motherfuckers care about is power and money so they can try to achieve that by running on a big business platform and then some big business tobacco pharmaceutical whatever the fuck it is comes to them with a goddamn shiny Audi in a check and they're like all right shit I'll say whatever you want and pretend I didn't you know what I mean like ultimately it's going to work out their fucking way like business is never going nowhere and the tea party and the tea party at least modeled itself I mean and that's the beginning of a lot of this, the Tea Party modeled itself as like for the working man against big government. But that got, with Trump, that got tied into big business stuff. But the Koch brothers

started that. They were making money and gaining power while claiming to be against the things they were doing. They were buying laws while creating a party built around the idea that politicians shouldn't be for sale. I'm not for that. It's pretty dark. I'm not for that at all. But I'm hopeful, Trey, is my answer to you. You sound like it. Well, what else we got? No, I know.

Let them eat themselves. No, and I'm not being a dick because I'm, I think this is, I'm like less hopeful than I've ever been right now. It's a dark fucking time in America. People are cold. We're not giving anybody any money. It's weird. It's a weird thing. It's a weird time.

Yeah, and like it combined with the seasonal depression and the weather, it's just a, it's just a fuck and, you know, unstoppable force in an immovable object. And I'm about in as good, I'm in as good a place, I guess, as I can't, you know, first off, white, still white. And I think that I picked the right time

to stop drinking. You know what I mean? Or the worst time to stop drinking. I think you could look at it either way. Like I might die sober. We might all die and I'll die sober. That'd suck. Don't do that.

Yeah, I don't know. I, like, I, um, Yeah, things are real shitty right now. Don't get me wrong. But it's like I said, I just... We got vaccines. Yeah, I don't know.

I feel like things are generally looking a little bit upwards. I mean, he lost, he's gone now. He don't have a Twitter thing. I know he got acquitted, but I'm saying, like I just, I really do think. And like I said, I'm not taking it for granted that they won't play it perfectly and make it work. But I just really think that if you were like a GOP strategist or whatever right now, you've got to be pretty fucking worried, I would think, because of all this shit that we've been talking about. And the idea that they are in that position makes me, you know, somewhat hopeful.

Because like, dude, these people, like, I know there's more and more people that are on that extremist end. And that's scary. There's way too many of them. But, like, you can't, the more, like, whatever, moderate, level-headed, fiscal conservative, you know, pro-business capitalist version of the Republicans, which are still like. They already. voted for Trump, though. They already did. They already did that. Yeah, but I know, but I'm saying, I think, I don't think they're going to, I think that this, it was a turning point for those type of people. The, like, insurrection and everything. Oh, I hope you're right. They voted for Trump because they, like, yeah, he was going to give them tax cuts and they didn't give a fuck about any of the rest of it. And then he did and that hit for them. But then all this other shit has happened. And I think they're sitting there like, look, we're not trying to be, you know, uh, overlords of a dystop. And being fucking waste land or whatever if this country literally falls apart. I hope you're right. I don't think they're going to, I don't think that is how,

I don't think that's a viable option for them, is for them all to just shift into the Marjorie Taylor Green version of Republicanism. Lord God. Right. I guess what I'm saying is I hope you're right. I do have hope that will split them in general. But if the, if the question or issue is choosing between being overlords of a dystopian country versus not being overlords.

Like in other words, if they think Trump or quote unquote socialism, which the things they paint is socialism is getting wilder by the day. Like being able to breathe or something like that. Yeah, water is provided by the socialist sinks. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, like, they used to be fine no matter who was in charge. You know what I mean? Neo-liberals and all that and Obama bailing out Wall Street and all that shit.

It wouldn't have mattered to them. I guess we'll see how all that continues to play out too. I don't think they're in any real danger of... Right. In some ways, that seems to be the top Democratic brasses gamble or bet. It's like Trump is crazy and unstable for business. business, we will become the big business party, which is also dark for me. Right.

No, for sure. I mean, I was part of me that was thinking about that when I was thinking about the GOP splitting, you know, and it's like, damn, if they do that, like, they're fucked for a very long time. And then I thought, I mean, look, some competition is good. You know, like, I definitely don't need a lot of these fucking Democrats sitting even more with their thumb further up their goddamn ass. You know what I'm saying?

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but they're objectively a little better right now. It would be worse if he was in charge. If he was still in charge, it would be worse. Imagine that, man. No. So, yeah, I do think things are looking up. Look, man, I really do think that by the, that, that, I think in 2022 that will be open for a bit. You know what I mean?

Like, everything will be back open. Like, it's going to get, like, look, we got, we just ordered like 600 million goddamn vaccines. Everybody that's going to take them is going to take them. And everybody that ain't going to take them, ain't going to take them. And then, in my opinion, I might get crucified for this, but in my opinion, once that happens, fucking it's on and I'm sorry if you were stupid, you know? Like we do, I know that like those motherfuckers have literally been saying, we got to open back up since minute eight of the pandemic.

But like, sincerely though, there is a point. And it's like the point is once we've done the thing, the only thing that we can do, which is get a goddamn vaccine and try to take it, then after that, you know, we got to fucking open back up. And if you don't take it and you fucking die, you're a dipshit. I don't know what to tell you. So I know that's a roundabout way of me saying, I think things are going to get better. You know, once, like, if we could, if you could eliminate that shit, like, that's so much of it.

Like, like, also the fact that we're currently in a pandemic right now. Don't get me wrong, the insurrection is insane. This impeachment shit's insane. But if that was happening and we weren't all still having to be in our houses, I think we'd be, we'd still even be looking at that a little bit different. We'd be like, well, goddamn, at least we can go to work and at least not, everybody's not sitting around waiting on a fucking check that may never come. you know, and at least we can go on about our day and at least we have some fucking distractions. So like one of the main fucking things that is the reason for half of our misery, I do feel like we can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

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Very famous soccer player. It's actually TRI, TRI on me. Yeah, but, you know, it's a French. Isn't his last name? And they do it backwards or something? His name looks like Theory Henry, but it's Thierry on me. And he's, yeah, legendary soccer player. It's his surname, is it flipped?

Like, Brazilians be doing that, right? I think so. Like, their library card would look like normal. What? Are you talking about, like, in Asia? But last. Like, yeah, Asians do it too. Like, I would be Forster Corey over there.

And I'm asking you. French do that. Yeah, they probably don't. I know that. I know Asians do that. I don't know if all of them do. Sorry, Asia. Painting Asia.

Sorry, all of Asia. I don't know y'all's entire name and conventions. I do know what you're talking about. And Asians do do that. I would not want to go to an Asian naming convention. No. Dude, Asians also, I don't, again, don't know all of them. Just in the comic book world,

mangas, as it were, they, you read them the other way, you know. And I didn't know. that the first time I went to read one and buddy I thought I was reading the most fucked up shit in the world I thought dude I thought I was so dumb like I was already like okay you know I know that this anime and manga stuff like they

do some more highbrow intricate stories like it's not just like here's a superhero she's a squirrel there's a bad guy whoop it's ass squirrel like they're doing some you know different stuff and I got through like nine or ten pages and I'm like god damn son I don't even know and then

I was told that and you know that didn't help with how dumb I felt. I bet not. And I would perhaps like to hear more about your Asian comic book experiences. But we forgot to mention. I could tell you about it on stereo. How about that? Yeah, right.

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The third has to call in. Um, this Friday coming up, I wouldn't let you folks know that I'm, yeah, I'm going to take my Friday off and be out of town. But after this Friday, maybe we'll figure out how to do all three of us. Or, you know what, I could be wrong. I could have been completely wrong. Stereo is a great app. You guys can call in and leave us voicemails and we play them at the end.

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Appreciate stereo. Thanks for letting me talk about how much I had. All right. So Chinese comic books. or I guess maybe they're Korean, manga's... Just to let you know, that's pretty much all I...

That's my experience. That's your whole take on that? Yeah, I mean, I like them, but that's the... I may have you read, because you said, you said until you figured out how to read them,

you thought, wow, this is some wild shit, but correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm again speaking in generalities here, it tends to be some pretty wild shit, don't it? Like, whether you read it correctly or not. Oh, yeah,

it didn't get less wild reading it the right way. It just made more sense. Make more sense. Yeah, okay. I got it. I've only read a couple, but that's because the two that I've read were very, very, very, very long, like insanely long. Like, dude, a fucking, like, if I want to read a whole run, like the Civil War run, you know, like, if you want to read that whole thing, it's like, I don't know, I think it's like 10 comic books. but 10 comic books.

Each comic book is like 24 pages and it's mostly you know, the comic, like not a lot of words. Pictures. Yeah. Hits for me. Yeah, right. Picture books, yeah. Yeah, well,

these goddamn Asians, man, like they... I'm telling you, man. These motherfuckers like to read, boy. They're fucking... they're long as fuck but they're good they're very very good but again like

don't you wrong there's American comics like the Walking Dead you know a lot of people don't know that started out as a comic series and it's a lot more it's darker

it's a lot more text driven but like that's a lot of what and again I don't know about all of them but just the ones I read they were very very very very very very long and I just got to the point

where like when I read when I read comic books it's because I want to want something shorter that I can easily digest. Like, if I want that, I watch rectify. You know what I mean? so but they're honestly here's my critique they're literally too good for what i want you know what i mean like the fact that a marvel when i read them there's some marvel comics that like they're definitely uh more you know highbrowed than the other ones like you know every like i was i talked about a squirrel earlier that's literally a comic i'm reading squirrel girl you know and it's it's cute

and it's fun and it's an easy read then i also just to reset myself will read an entire run just about Magneto in his Auschwitz years. And that's a little deeper, but like for the most part, when I read comic books, it's like, I just want to read, I just want to read a couple, you know, for like an hour, which means I can read like 15 of them, you know, and go to bed and have something lighthearted.

So I think that, not that this will surprise anybody, I, Asian literature is a little too advanced for me. Yeah. So you said the guy who looks at, love Squirrel Girl, maybe not getting really into the 18 volume opus. But I, but like, if that was a book, I'd read what, listen to it. So, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just, that ain't what I'm wanting in a comic book.

Okay. It's not exactly the same because it's comic books, which are inherently very different. They do, here. I'm sure that our listeners are about to change my mind. You said something interesting to me there, because it's something I've been thinking about myself a lot lately. You said, uh, you said, they're honestly, they're too good. for what I won't, right?

In comic books. Right, and that's why I feel about porn. I've been, well, I've been thinking a similar version about myself and just regular books lately. And I don't know how to feel about it because it's funny. It's almost like I'm like acknowledging that about myself, but also like, not shame. It's not shame, but it's like, I don't know how to, I don't think I have very good taste in books. Or I don't know if that's the right way to put it. I think I can tell.

I can tell that something, yeah, but they're not like, I like, like, basically, I don't want to name the, I've been reading a sci-fi lately, and I read one a little while ago that was like very, very literary. I seen people put it up, like they said, this is really more like literary fiction with like a space travel story in the middle of it, meaning it was a lot more like, you know, elaborate and sophisticated prose. and yeah, respected and that, you know,

in a lot more depth to it and that type of thing. And while reading it, I could recognize all that. But it just wasn't hitting as hard for me. Yeah, because when you want sci-fi, you don't want that shit.

Yeah, but not everybody feels, because sci-fi's actually got a, it's kind of like stand-up comedy in that it's like a big part of sci-fi's history is wrapped up in like social commentary and stuff like that.

But it has always, kind of been sort of like, not disrespected. You can have that without being up your own ass. No, I know. Well, the thing that I'm more worried you be doing that. The thing I'm reading right now is like a poor people uprising thing, set in mostly on Mars in the distant future. And it's like,

is this the fancy one? No. But it's more, it's like it's young adulty kind of. Hold on. But it's, you're allowed to mention the fancy one because that's like a compliment. So who's, what's that author? It's called the Sparrow by Maria, uh,

Mary, Mary Doria Russell, I think is it, or Maria Doria Russell. Yeah, and I didn't not like it. Do you feel like you have to? Like, if you start it, do you feel like you have to? I don't feel that way. I don't anymore. I don't anymore. I think I used to too, too.

I definitely used to. Because when you're young, you have all the time in the world. No, I don't anymore, but I will, I won't. The only book, I'll just say this, the only book that I have quit on recently, and it's been a couple years now. Hours. but was holy shit

ready player one and I actually dig the movie but that book which was huge it was just like had you seen a movie first no no

I tried to read the I tried to read the book first and I was like man this is some like masturbatory nerd stuff it was like it was just nerd jerking off type stuff to me

I feel like what do you mean by that it was like like It's hard. Did you, you saw the movie? Yeah,

I loved it. I liked the movie, too. I liked the movie a lot. But I could see how... We set up around this whole competition based on knowledge of 80s pop culture and stuff like that. So, like, in the book, there are characters who are, like, total badasses because they can, like, you know,

quote you the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise down to the, like, letter or know about, like, Atari's video game lineup and shit like that. And it's like, and I don't, throw it in people's, they'll like flex on people with their Atari video game knowledge. Yeah, that's dumb. And it's like, and it was just like, it was just too much for me, man. Is that not like commentary on how nerd culture became broie once it became mainstream? I mean, I guess.

I don't know. It was just too much nerd porn for me, basically. That's how it felt. It was just too much. And I like nerdy shit. But, uh, anyway,

the one I read right now. The same way we're fat. What do you mean? Like, we're like, because me and you talk about we're fat all the time and like real fat people

that don't hit for them. You know what I mean? Like, like someone that weighs four or five hundred pounds is like, oh yeah, fucking y'all talk about it. Do you think that like, because like I consider myself

a month, definitely amongst my friends to be a pretty nerdy dude. I mean, I read fucking comic books all the time. I watch Doctor Who. But like to a lot of these nerds, that's like a very, what's the word? Mainstream nerd.

And it's like, it's like to them I'm cosplaying as a nerd. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We're casual. We're casual. You think that we're the same nerd as we are fat. Yeah. Okay, but that kind of runs against what you were saying a little bit to me, Trey.

And maybe I'm thinking of it incorrectly. No, ready player one fucks up what I was saying about myself, honestly. Also the literature. It's just my honest answer to the question. That is the last book I stopped reading, but it doesn't fit with what I'm saying about myself, though. Well, I meant the literature thing in terms of being a nerd or whatever, because I thought that I was a sci-fi fan because Kurt Vonnegut is my favorite author, and I really like Dune, and I really like Hitchhackers Guide. And then nerds inform me that, like, that that is like, you know, saying you like metal and then saying Metallic is your favorite band. Yeah, but I think that probably, I don't think that the stuff that I'm reading would qualify as the what they are saying, I don't know, I'm trying to say.

It's not mainstream. It's just, no, it's very mainstream. Like, the thing I'm reading right now is called Red Rising. It's a series about, it's like kind of hunger gamesy in, in space. It's about like a dystopian future where the poor, you know, the poor rise up against their overlords or whatever. and I think it fucking rules. Right. It has been really hitting for me,

but it's very, very like page turnery and everything. You know what I mean? It's like it's just like lighter, more popcorny type stuff. And I don't mean that the bad way it really is for me. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but what I'm saying is that seems to me like what nerds,

one of the many things nerds in those subcultures are into, that would be into the page turners and the deeper cuts. Like the fact that you know all that, you know the difference between Red Rising and Sparrow and why they're different versus where I'm like, yeah, I'm a sci-fi fan. I love Kurt Bonnie. He's my favorite author.

And people are like, yeah, sci-fi. Because like the fact that it is, as you said earlier, literature, more serious literature, kind of takes it out of the nerd world and into a different nerd world of academia. I actually talked to Matt Coon last week about Metallica and exactly what you just said. And Matt Coon, who is my co-host on Through the Screen Door

and also a professional musician. And his take on that was that the only reason people in metal feel that way about Metallica is because Metallica is too good and they shouldn't be punished for that. Like, there's a reason they're Metallica and it's like, oh, you like Metallica? But it's like, yeah,

because they really are very technically proficient and fucking awesome. So, like, sometimes that pisses me off when motherfuckers won't let you like a thing that actually is fucking good, you know? Just dude. Anybody talk shit about Kurt Vonnegut can fuck themselves. Well, they don't talk shit. They're just like, oh, you're not necessarily a sci-fi fan.

The reason I brought this up, the only reason is I feel the same way Trey does where I'm like, I guess I'm not a sci-fi fan, but I feel that way I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum from you, Trey. Like, the more literary it is, the more I seem to be into it. Whereas if it really creates a world with demons or I'm sorry, aliens, see, I don't even know how to talk about it. I'm like, yeah, I don't give a fuck about that. I want commentary. That is the, well, like, I don't, it's not that I don't feel like a real sci-fi fan or whatever.

I just have thought about myself because I've read a lot of books in the past year or so, all fiction, no, and that's the other thing, too. Like, I'm not, it's all, it's all fiction, you know, it ain't no, like, there's no, there's no, philosophy or any kind of, you know, political discourse or that, like just high-minded nonfiction books that get put out all the time. I ain't read none of them. It's all fiction. And then in the course of reading that fiction, I have noticed multiple times, not just with the sparrow, but I'm having trouble remembering the other examples, but I know that's happened where I'll be reading a book. And in my head, I'll think, like, I can tell that this is like a really well-written book. And I

can tell it is. And I respect that. But don't hit. But I'm just not that as in to this. Whereas I'll read the other stuff where I'm just like, oh my God, I can't wait to see what happens in the next chapter. This shit is wild. And it's just like, you know, real, it's like a, it's like a Marvel movie, but book series. And I just gravitate a lot more towards that. It's not just

if I think it's in fantasy, I think it's in literally anything. Books are mean you are completely opposite. Like, And I don't think anybody would see that coming, but like the last three books that I read, which was in the past month, were all Al Franken books. You know, like, I don't fuck with,

if I'm doing fiction, I pretty much prefer that to be movie or TV. When I'm reading, I don't know, I think it's just like, I so associate reading with learning shit. And so I'm like, when I, you know what I mean?

It's just, you should read. And I'm like, I don't think they're telling me, to read Game of Thrones. I think they mean like the Constitution. So like when I'm like, I want to learn some shit, I'll read. You know, if I want to do fiction, I'm going to get, I'm going to sit there and let them fuck my face.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think we've, we've had this conversation before, but I don't think it was on this show. I hear you and I, I, you totally are making sense to me. But it's just a difference in perspective because I actually think that like when you read these types of books I'm talking about. You can make it hit harder. They are.

way fucking wilder actually than any movie or any TV show because they can do literally anything. Yeah. Things that like you couldn't really even adapt to the screen or whatever, you know, so like they get fucking wild. So I would say they're even more like you say you want your fiction to like fuck you in the face with wild shit. Yes, you got to do it all in your brain while your eyes.

My brain hits. So maybe I should do that. Yeah. But if you do that, it's like, it gets way crazy. The Game of Thrones books are a great example. Like, dude, the Game of Thrones, the TV show is pretty wild. But if you read the books, it's like levels more wild shit than the TV show ever got to. Yeah, George R. Martin needs to talk to somebody.

Yeah. But like another good, like a good example of people that would probably understand is like, and I'm not saying that one is better, probably the TV show version is better. But like in the TV show, Danny's Cortizon, her lover, Dario, Naharis, he got recasting the TV show.

Great recasting. Yeah, that guy. In the books, he's generally the same, like, character-wide, the way he acts, you know, arrogant, cocksure, that type of thing. but like he's got like twin purple braided goatees that like go down to his like chest and have like jewels and shit wrapped up in to him and that type of thing and it's like it plays when you read it because this world is just filled with shit like that but dude you couldn't put that on HBO show if that dude walked through the door in real life and you saw it you'd be like the fuck is up with it like it wouldn't it wouldn't work and there's tons of

of things like that in all of these books that I'm talking about, where it's like it hits to read and it's wild as hell, but you couldn't even really do it in like a TV or movie adaptation. No, I know. I need to re-give it a shot because, like, I haven't even really, the last fiction that I read was the first Game of Thrones book. And I mean, yeah, dude, it hit for me. But, like, I think I made, I made the huge mistake of, like,

I've already seen the show so many times now that, like, I want some new, like, I really, really, really want to read the books because of what you're saying, but at the same time, I want some new new. You know what I mean? No, I hear you. I've been thinking about reading the expanse books. Yeah. And I just like, why would you? I know, but it's like, they're super highly regarded to write in my wheelhouse. That's, that's sci-fi. And I love that fucking show. But I can't motivate myself to read six fucking books because I know, I know. I know. the broad strokes of everything that happened already. So, yeah, I just haven't done it yet. Maybe like years after the show ends, like years down the road, I'll come back and then read all the books, and that'll hit.

You know what? It's going to be interesting with that series because they did one book per season, but now they have one season left and three books, and I don't know what they're going to do. Yeah, that's a thing like that. So it'll be Game of Thrones. There's three trilogies for books in the books of the expanse.

and the show is one season per book, like Drew said. They're going to end after six, but the books go 7, 8, 9. But it's a 30-year jump in between them. That's all I know. But anyway, I thought about finishing the show and then just picking up with book seven, but I don't know if that's a good idea either. Well, maybe, because see, I just now started the expanse. I started a while back, and then it was, as with all shows,

me and my wife got into it, and then she stopped. And then every time I started to watch an episode, So she's like, oh, I can't right now. And then I was like, fucking fine. And I fell out of it. But I just restarted it. Maybe I should once again fuck off from the show and read the books. And this can be my foray back into fiction.

And it won't fuck me up. So I think now I'm going to do that. That's kind of exactly what I deal with Game of Thrones, except there was only one season out. The first season of Game of Thrones came out. I watched it, loved it. I was like, oh, I got to read these books. And then in between season one and season two of the HBO show Game of Thrones, I read all the books. and that really hit for me.

Did it make your disappointment more grander than mine, you think? Yeah, well, I don't know. I don't want to, you know, have a disappointment measuring contest because, I mean, I know it also didn't hit for you, but they, I don't know because, as everybody knows, there are no books for the end. They pass the books up. Right.

So like the ending, I didn't have a book ending to compare that to. And probably never will because he definitely going to die for he ever, puts anything else out. Absolutely. But reading them all, watching the show to get like characters, I could see them in my head and stuff like that, and then reading the entire series,

not knowing what was going to happen. The fucking Red Wedding, I literally threw that book across the room. Really? Yes, after Red Wedding, I threw it into the wall. It pissed me off so much. But in a hitting way, right?

Yeah, in a hitting way. The third book, Storm of Swords, man. Oh my God. Fucking flying. games. And so like reading it without having seen any of it, not knowing what was going to happen, it all smashed and then going back and watching the way they adapted it on the show, it was perfect. Like I think that's the, you know, if I could approach any other series that same way in the future, I will because that I was really, that really hit for me up until the very end.

Oh, by the way, I wanted to give you a shout out because I know it was you. They wouldn't tell me, but I know it was you. I did the SEC podcast today. and at the end they were like, we're going to ask you some rapid-fire questions. We have a source. I'm not going to tell you who it was that gave us these questions, but I'm going to ask.

And, you know, I just put two and two together and kind of think it was you because the questions they asked me were, tell us about your freak out at the Disney employee store. Yeah. What is a puff chawl?

Yeah. What is the puff chaw? What is the bee? Yeah. What do you think of Brian Denehy? Yeah. And, oh, God, damn it, what was the other one? But anyways, it pretty much launched into 20 minutes of me having to talk and describe how fat and worthless I am.

So mission accomplished, my friend. Just so everybody knows, I didn't know they weren't going to tell you it was me. I was not at all trying to disguise my identity. No, I know. Yeah, those questions are obvious. I didn't know they weren't going to tell you it came from me. But yeah. They definitely knew that I knew.

Right. Okay, yeah, cool. But yeah, now, I thought that was last Monday. You were going to do that, too. And it actually had occurred to me a couple times. I was like, he ain't said nothing about that. They thought it was last Monday, too, but they were wrong. Okay, all right.

Yeah. Anyway, yeah, now, yeah, shout out Bragan Gall in Nashville. He's, yeah, does some hitting sports podcast. Was on the radio there in Nashville, and that's how I met him. I did his radio show before, and I've done a couple of his podcasts and stuff. Yeah, he texted me, and I was happy to oblige. Yeah, it was so nice. I was like, man, we're talking about sports, sports.

great. I hadn't got to do this and so like, man, all right. And then I was about to leave and he's like, okay, so anyways, you're fat, you're dumb, you don't hit. I was like, yeah, there it is. It's funny you're talking about non-political podcasts and being fat and not hitting. There's a podcast I want to talk to y'all about,

and I think I mentioned this off the podcast, but I want to discuss it on the podcast because I think this is interesting culturally. I was a guest on it. There's some friends of mine, buddies, not really friends, buddies I had in New York, you started a podcast called Are You Garbage? And I went on there and it was one of the most fun times I've ever had being a guest in a podcast.

And essentially, they just asked you questions and then you have to answer their questions about whether or not you're garbage. Like my favorite one was, if you or anyone in your family ever had a hot tub. Yeah, fuck yeah. Independently just on a deck with no pool. And I was like, yeah, Uncle Bubby, who sold cocaine. he was, you know, married to Aunt Patty. They're not together anymore. And it's like, you start unwinding these stories.

What I realized, I'm now a fan of the podcast, and they're not paying me to plug it. They don't even know I'm talking about it. But what I realized is this is just Jeff Foxworthy as a podcast. How the fuck do we let two dudes from Jersey get the angle on this? Because they're trash. Yeah, it's garbage instead of redneck them. Yeah, like that shit right there.

we don't have a monopoly on garbage human beings. Right. By the way, can I take a guess? You're garbage, right? Oh, buddy. At that time, I was the most garbage they'd ever had. For sure, like top level stank garbage. Yeah.

But it also occurred to me, it's just red cred in reverse. Right. We had the idea of a podcast where people would call in or write in or however we would do it. And that was kind of what stopped us from doing it was having to have people write in or call in. where they prove to us that their redneck, I think that's like the most interesting difference in my mind is rednecks are so fucking proud of being red. For sure.

That we're like, you proved to me that you're goddamn trash. Because I don't believe you, God damn it. And the whole thing is like, you might not be, you know? Yeah. Hopefully you're not. They like, right. They like presume that people will want to not be trash. Right.

It's sort of the premise there. And fuck that. And then they pull, yeah, and then on our side is the exact opposite. Waller in it. Yeah, right. I love tell, like, if I'm going to tell you a story about my family, I'm never going to tell you a story about the person I'm most proud of in it. You know what I mean?

Like, I'm going to tell you a story of the fucking worst thing that anyone with my last name has ever done. That's way more interesting to me. Well, we got into my brother's case and all the ends and outs of that. And buddy, I mean, they're very funny guys. and Foley was losing his jersey trash mine at that fucking Tom Clancy Juggalo novel. That's a pretty good description of what you got going on. It's from a bit I try to do about it, but that good line did not save the horror. This Friday at 12 Pacific 3 Eastern, me and Cho will be live on the stereo app.

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So join us on stereo this Friday, February, whatever the hell that is, February 19th. At 12 Pacific, 3 Eastern. We'll have a good time. Thank you all for joining us. Yeah. Hey, you know what you should do next is go listen to one of our other podcasts, even skews through the screen door or into the abisket, and subscribe, download, tell all you friends, leave us a five-star review, all that good shit.

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