wellRED podcast - #21 - Cosby Trial, Pot Smoking Libertarians, and Travis Irvine!

Episode Date: June 28, 2017

In this interview with Travis Irvine (Recorded back in December of 2016), we answer the important questions: Which Baldwin brother would've shot Abraham Lincoln? And What will Alex Jones Start to sound like now that he all of the sudden likes The President? Considering this interview was conducted before the inauguration, it is very interesting to hear the hope in our voices. Boy... we were such kids!Travis Irvine is a journalist, comedian, independent filmmaker and unsuccessful politician. He has also contributed to VICELAND, the Guardian, Mediaite, Jesse Ventura’s “Off the Grid” and .Mic. Travis wrote and directed a feature-length horror/satire film about killer raccoons that is available from cult film company Troma Entertainment, and in 2007 he ran for mayor of his hometown in Ohio and turned the experience into a short documentary that was featured at the Cannes Film Festival. Travis’ campaign and comedy videos have been featured on “The Jay Leno Show,” PBS’s “NewsHour” and Funny Or Die, and he was also once on “The People’s Court." A recent graduate of Columbia Journalism School, Travis lives and performs between New York City and Ohio.Travis's new record Guy From Ohio can be found at On Tour Records and on Itunes!!!Click those links and get it... it's super funny and he is a great dude!Before that interview, the boys sat down in Chicago to discuss the Bill Cosby Verdict...what a week! wellREDcomedy.com for tickets and tour dates... love you all... skeeeeewww!

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we are. What's up everybody? We're in Chicago at the historic Thalia Hall. Or tell you. We don't know. Again, well, yeah,

you're right. We don't know. But I've asked a lot of people and I've gotten both answers or people have been like, I don't know what that is. I've been calling it Talia, and I historically say shit wrong, so I'd say it's Thalia. Either way. Either way. Either way.

Either way. Mm-hmm. Of course. Tell ya. Vitalia. Vitalea. Won't you tell me why? Sweet.

Vitalea. Always got to make me cry. Cry. Oh, yes. So. I thought the same thing. We're, uh, it's a historic concert. hall in Chicago that was built in 1892

modeled after the Prague concert hall and it's uh... I've been to Prague it's a bit of a course you have it's a bit of an established venue here and it's very it's pretty fucking cool and this is our first tour stop in Chicago period uh it's like 700 people ish going to be here

tonight sold out it's very very exciting uh how old's a building tour hits uh it was built in 1892 so however she can't 108 was 17 I mean, 125, right? 125. Oh, shit.

Today. Actually, this is the anniversary show. Absolutely. Our show, 125. 125, which is the percent that I give. They decided to celebrate it with us. Hits. I just remembered they said that.

But they didn't tell us the name. That is hysterical. Yeah, no, that ain't true, but it is 125 years old, and it is very cool. The tour... We have to talk like this while we're on stage tonight. Or as people who don't listen to our podcast, refer to that the good old days yes tonight we are not

comedians we are humorists humorous stand up philosophers spinning yons for the masses spinning yons I'm very excited I am too I'm glad we're moving into these little these theaters you sounded excited I know well that's me

in 1892 what did white trash people do they like died in factory yeah blended in. Especially in Chicago. Yeah, man. That's what that fire was about. Some white trash person was smoking a cigarette.

Did you know? Did I know? You all probably both knew this. See, me and my wife been up here for a few days before the show celebrating our anniversary. We had the same anniversary as the historic Talia Hall. Or Talia. Anyway, we've been to Chicago for a few days. We took some tours and mess.

Did you know that the reason that it, like, basically burnt down is because it was pretty much all wood the city and then but they took it as an opportunity uh to rebuild it and make it not just functional but pretty which is why it is a very pretty city it's very aesthetically pleasing the skyline and shit that was on purpose that was by design when they rebuilt it after it burnt down that also is why it that that's where second city comes from right this chicago that we're sitting in right now is the second second city because it's the second one, the first one burned to the fucking ground. Here's a much, much wilder-ass Chicago fact.

To put in the sewer system. That when they redid it or a different time? I can't remember. Well, let me just say this before we move on to the second fact. On the first fact, are you saying then that Chicago is like forests where fires help them, make them look nicer? Yes. In that one specific instance, yeah.

It worked out for, you know, literally everybody. Nobody was negative impact about it. That's going to be the new, like, Republican campaign. I tell what's wrong with Chicago? We need another goddamn fire. So the other second fact was when they put in their sewer system, they literally lifted the entire city up anywhere from like a couple feet to like 14 feet. Like they got rid of the first floor of a building?

No, like with jack screws lifted up whole buildings at a time. Chicago jack screw sounds like something I want to drink. Hell yeah. No shit. But they couldn't go down because of like the land underneath the city is like marsh land or something. Oh, Marsh. Something like that. I feel like you could get into Mars.

It wasn't a matter of getting into it. It was something to do with putting a sewer in it. It was already sewage consistency. It's also pretty. Whatever it was, they jacked the whole city up over the course of like a few years. Is it because it's squishy? Corey. Chicago's jacked up, bro.

It's so squishy. Google the lifting of Chicago or something like that. That's like me when I'm hopper. If you're too squishy, you got to get jacked up. Yeah. Everybody knows that. Yeah, it's May before shows. That's just the Chicago workout plan, which is the Kanye song?

It is. It is. Are you looking that shit up? Yeah, because you all piss me off. Even though I realize you're just hitting, it's just upset me. The raising of Chicago, that's what it is. You didn't see this. Corey did.

I got took earlier in Chicago. So fucking hard. You got tug. And I couldn't believe it. New York, like whatever ass, this old black man just got to me and I couldn't help. I knew what was happening and I just let it happen anyway. He wanted to shine his shoes. He walked by and he said, there's some nice booth.

Let me shine them up. And I was like, well, everybody, literally our Uber had pulled up. I mean, you weren't there, of course, and you weren't going to be there for five minutes because that's how you always roll. But I was like, well, the car's here. Yes. I got it. I walked into the lobby at 8, whatever, 626.

You said you were calling the Uber at 625. I wasn't fucking late. I didn't fucking late. When did you make your name? I wasn't. You said you'd be in the lobby at 625. You were there at 626. You were late.

You said you were going to call the Uber at 625. When was the time my Uber shut up at 30 fucking seconds? Am I the judge or? No, you know. Fuck you. All right. No. Well, it doesn't actually matter when I said I would call the Uber.

You texted me that you would be there at 625. Please enter into evidence your text to Trey. Yes, I will. Hold on just a second. Let me pull it up. Let's see what he said. I was one minute late. There you go.

That's it. Plead guilty to be. being one fucking minute late. I... Your Honor, what's... I play a guilty. We accept you. Well, there has to be a punishment.

You have to accept your plea. Yeah. And then sentence you to apologize to Corey. Yes. That's not happening. Well, then you're going to jail. Take me to fucking jail. Go him underneath the jacks up.

Lock me up. Fuck the goddamn shit. Yeah. Fuck the shit. Fuck yeah. By the way, I asked him what text he sent because I was going to defend you. Because from your text, honestly, I thought you was ordering the... Uber at 625.

That's what I've been saying the whole time. That's why I asked him to enter it in the fucking evidence. But you waived all your rights and pled already. My text to him. I said I'll see you downstairs

at 625. That's what screwed him over. Couser, get your defendant. You have already pled. You have waived all your rights. We're talking about two different texts here. Two different trials, in fact.

Oh, we need a new trial. No trial. Look at this. What is it? Oh, Lord. Google the raising of Chicago Oh, shit, it's not. Oh, shit, it's not.

That's what they did. No, they fixed it. That's what the whole city. man that was Chicago before. Irishman, dude. You're talking about what white trash people did back then. You think buildings up and then died? It was Irishman or Black Pol?

It was Irishman. That's what the tour guide said. That makes sense because Black Folk was all in the South most part back then. Doing similar stuff. But that's shit. I mean, that's wild. Worse conditions. No, trust me, they were holding a fucking city up too.

It was just a whole goddamn region. Yeah. Black people lifted the whole goddamn country up. Yeah, exactly. All these buildings stayed operational the whole time. Like, that's a hotel or whatever. open this entire time. They were listed it up and shit. It was just like a lady in there having tea or whatever,

not doing a goddamn thing. Literally on the backs of Irish. Some English chick. It's wild. It's wild as hell, dude. Chicago's a wild-ass place. It's like the past is a metaphor for the present. Yeah.

It's insane. Well, what the fuck was we talking about? I don't know. We were going to talk about the tour, I think. We were talking about how much this theater hits, and I said that I'm glad that we were getting into theaters and I was about to move into. So we got a picture earlier that really tickled me.

It was, one of our buddies was just in Boston and happened to drive by the, uh, the Wilbur Theater where we will be September 8th. And there was a big ass picture of our dumb fucking faces. And it tickled me to death. And I was just thinking, I'm really excited that we're graduating to these theaters, especially these old ones, because the Wilbur's also, it's like 1918 or something like that. Word. Yeah, it's old as shit.

We're going to be at Wilbur September 8th. Yeah. Yeah. So come out to the Wilbur. That's going to hit in Boston. That'll be like fun. Someone sent us a picture today of our faces outside of. the Wilber from Boston. That was fire.

That's what it led into that. I was literally the story. I was right. And I ain't mad at you because I do that shit all the time. I was pulling up our schedule so I could tell people. That's still funny though. You guys want to take me to court? That's going to play really well to the Listers. He just pretty cool story. He finishes a story.

You know something that was pretty cool. I'll tell you. Yeah. This is a moment where I'm going to choose to know who I am as a person and not be hypocritical and say I hear you, buddy. Well, I was pulling out of the phone because I just want to tell people we're also going to be in Kansas.

You ain't got to defend yourself. I often am doing something similar, but also very often. I'm not defending myself. I'm just trying to read the goddamn date. Well, you said, well, I know, but. You said, well, I know, but you would not let me get away with this.

It's not that. I'm not saying that you won't. We're so bad at being smooth. We're just trying to read our dates and make it seem conversational. This is, this is, it's just obvious. Because this is a conversation. This is a conversation that we would have.

This is very conversational. Fucking exercising ravenry is what this is. The whole thing. You wouldn't let me get away with that. You wouldn't let me get away with that. Because the nice belong to chose. Because what y'all don't also know, dear listeners, is that we have had to restart like three times. We're not going to this time, but I'm just saying it really is hilarious.

I can't always. How much we struggle just to promote ourselves. It's so comical. We have written. beautiful scripts, treatments, jokes. Guys, just organically mention the tour. Fuck you, Drew, you stupid. You're stupid.

Guilty motherfucker. It's like, what are they talking about? Kansas City, August 26th, same place. August 27th, St. Louis. September 8, Boston, Massachusetts. Thursday, September 14th through the 16th, Lexington, Kentucky. You can get tickets to that on the well-read comedy website. That's well-read R-E-D-Comedy.

It works the way websites do. Spelled just like this podcast, so it's real easy. And then we are going to be announcing the fall tour, which is a new tour, so get excited for that, guys. It's going to be new material. We got a new title we're proud of, but we ain't going to release it yet. And anyway, we hit. Oh, shit, look, the paparazzi don't got us coming up to cab.

Yeah, no. We'll have to release that pick. And the pick, we have a scalper at this show. Mm-hmm. I took a pick of him with our sign. Yeah, that's wild, man. That's kind of, that was that very much. I know we've made it at least to some level

that some dude with a goddamn cardboard sign outside. Every now and then I'll see radio stations and stuff on Twitter having ticket giveaways. Yeah, that hits for me. It's always pretty wild. So, um, there's something I was wanting to ask you about, Drew.

Yes. When I read it the other day. Uh, explain, you read it or you went on, when I read this. Okay. The other day,

uh, which I, you know, everybody read or saw. Explain to us, uh, ignorant lay people. Yes.

What happened with Bill Cosby? Because it's one of those things where... I would say sexism and a paternalistic society and money gets you off. I mean, like, is that... I mean, obviously, that's the immediate cynical, like, assumption that I would have. You want to know what a mistrial is in that scenario? I mean, like... Literally what happened?

Yeah. Like, it... Does it basically boil down to what you just said, or is there, like, real legal reasons as far as you're aware? No, no, there was a factual-based or... argument and that his defense was arguing. And it worked. Yeah, well, he, his opening was, Hey, hey, hey, hey.

I can't believe he. Did you see that shit? Cosby on the way out the door just did the, hey, hey, fat Albert. They looked at him. They were taking pictures. He goes, hey, hey, hey. What is psychopaths? Me and my buddy, me and Ryan Darling, who y'all know, we were talking about it.

He hadn't seen it, and he looked it up while we were on the phone together, and I heard the phone hit the ground. He was laughing so hard. And he's like, dude, he's a mom. He goes, he's a monster, but you talk about fucking just comic to the end. Like, to the end, he's walking out, just like, I bet this will hit. You know, he's going to go on tour. He is.

Explaining to people how to not get charged with rape. Yeah, he's giving sexual. He's doing sex assault education classes, but for dudes. Yeah. Which, somebody needs to do that, just not fucking Bill God damn Cosby. Somebody needs to peach people not to sexually assault people, which... Wait, no, hold on now. Is...

That's... You said the tour is for him to explain to people how not to get called or not to get charged. Not to do it. Not to get charged. From what I read. We don't need that. We need a fucking tour of how not to do it. For what I read earlier.

How not to do it's pretty easy. Well, yes, but, but. Why not to do it? Remember when they did that? You're right. Listen, you're absolutely right. And how and why and all that. It's all should be easy.

But we also have to like accept reality. objectively for what it is. Right. There's a lot of colleges that do that sort of thing that, like, you know, remind people, look, if she's hammered and blah, blah, blah, and it is fucked up that we need that, but we do need it. We do. We do.

Not from Bill Cosby. Not from Bill fucking Cosby, though. Not from Fat Albert. Not from someone who's up there with literally 60 allegations against him. Now, I mean, yeah, if it is a how not to get convicted, he done, he hit at that. But it was just with the one girl. Yeah, I think his lawyer needs to teach the not to get convicted. Anyway, all right, let me explain what.

happen. The lawyer's argument was that it was consensual. They had, Bill didn't testify. I don't know why I'm calling him Bill all of a sudden. The defendant did not testify, which is common, but a lot of the sort of defense lawyer academia say you actually need to put people on the stand usually to get a not guilty. Because no matter what you say to a jury, if you don't talk, they assume you're hiding something. Yes. Can I point something out real quick? Sure. because people be commenting on this. That was not a bag of chips that Trey was opening directly into the microphone.

It was Cratum, so don't worry you're not about to hear any chomping sounds. You said that as I was chewing eyes. God damn. Anyway. But they had Bill's testimony from a civil case in which he admitted to giving her what he said was Benadryl. But he said the whole thing was consensual.

She came over. I believe he said, She said she couldn't sleep, or maybe she was sick, like with sinuses. I can't recall. I'm getting the facts fucked up right now, and I'm sorry. But he gave her three Benadryl. Now, she testified that it was not consensual at all. She did go over there to, like, hang out or meet him or whatever,

and that he gave her something, and that then she lost control of her body and was literally paralyzed physically. Three Benadryl, if you don't fuck my dogs a lot. I don't know what the prosecutor argued. there, and I don't know what the defense argued, but if she couldn't move, she couldn't consent. That would have been my argument as the prosecutor, period. Unless she literally said, give me pills so that I can't move and then fuck me, which no one testified that that happened.

And that was the other thing. The defense argued this was all consensual. They had a relationship. And then a big part of the argument was she called him 52 times after. Yes. Not like the next day, I don't think. Again, I wasn't there. I just read, you know, an article. So it was a factual-based case. Basically, the jury, well, not the whole jury. Some people on the jury literally didn't believe her on some level. They believed that it was consensual. And that's wild to me. Now, when you do voir dire, which is when you select juries, you go through your jury selection. Voidier? Yes. It's important to find jurors who...

V-O-I-E space D-I-R-E. Yes. God damn, boy. There might be an R on the end of voir. V-I-R-R-D-R-E. D-R-E. D-R-E. That's fine.

That's close enough. That's good. When you do that, it's important to find jurors who aren't biased who haven't already made up their mind, as a prosecutor and a defense lawyer usually. And, like, this was... Especially if it's fucking Bill Cosby, right? I don't see how that's possible. Exactly. It was a big deal with the OJ. It was a big deal with the OJ trial, and that was not in 2015.

It's impossible in my mind that these people didn't know anything about the case. Maybe they didn't. Maybe they don't get on social media, but it's wild to me. No. That anyone decided not guilty, no one that's 60 women. I'm not saying you should, like, according to the law, you should not factor that in. And I get that. But it's wild to me that anyone did it. If you're the type of person, I'm not saying you should just be on Facebook all the time and be reading the taboids all the time. But if you're the type of person who, when the news about Bill Cosby – this news broke two years ago. If you're someone who in two years is so out of touch with the reality that you don't know shit about the Bill Cosby trial, I don't think you weren't be on a goddamn jury anyways. Well, that's hilarious. I don't know that – I mean, it's not that you don't have to have heard anything about it. Right. It's that the prosecutor in defense needs to be comfortable with the notion that you haven't made up your mind yet.

Right. That you're not visceral against – right. Or four. Right. It's – again, I don't – Because everybody. know who knew who he was right it's not just to the 60 people either it's specifically for me it's and i mean again i know that i know that in a court of law like this type of shit doesn't matter i

fully recognize that and that's not what i'm suggesting but i'm just saying court of public opinion whatever there's 60 of them but also it's the whole the drugs thing right and he's on record so many times as being just openly like you know you give them the the spanish fly spanish fly Spanish fly You go down And do but do But do with the Guys

All what He is guilty as fuck Right For sure If y'all ever seen There was literally an episode Of his ultra wholesome Family show

The Cosby show or whatever There was an episode Where he makes his They've got some friends That are married couples And they get out of Or they call them Their friends

Their married couples Are having trouble In her marriage Bill has He hatches his plot. They bring him over there and he makes for them his special barbecue sauce. Make some horny. And it puts it on their ribs and then they start, they just are all over each other. And then everything is better at the end of it. And him and his wife are going to go. She's like,

how about we take some of those ribs upstairs, you know, or whatever? And then a little, one of the kids walks out with the thing of ribs and, you know, and Bill's like, no. And credit troll. Oh, Rudy, don't eat the ribs. dude, and it's like, you know, watching it now with the context of everything has happened is fucking creepy. Hilarious shit. Well, yes, it's both. But, like, it's fucking disturbing. Well, I mean, there's all kinds of things like that with him.

Now that we know, like, looking back, it's so obvious. Well, it's like he got off. Jesus Christ, I didn't mean to use that word. But not only on doing it, on being that dude who went on TV and talked about doing it. He was hiding in plain sight with his bullshit. it. And I think there was some part of him that really enjoyed that. And I think there's some part of him with that that he did that enjoys being a black man who was able to get away with crime in America. I think that all that's a part of this for him. But you also wanted me to go into the technicalities of what happened,

not only what they argued, but what happened in terms of what is a mistrial. There's quite a few types of mistrials in the American legal system. We're one of the few common law, English-based legal systems that calls a hung jury a mistrial. Right. See, that's what confused me. I saw the headline and said, judge declares a mistrial. I thought what actually did happen. I thought that was called a hung jury. I thought they were two separate things. It is. Like colloquially. So I thought what it happened was to use another colloquialism. I thought he got off on a technicality. Right. You know, and I was like, well, of course he did. Well, he's not off. Because with a mistrial, you can retry something. And the prosecutors have vowed to do so. Right. Well, I think they're planned sincerely, this is what I believe in my heart their plan to do is because here's the other thing. The statute of limitation tolls while you're a trial. trying somebody. In other words, it can't run out if you're in the middle of proceedings. Does that make sense? So let's say the statute of limitations. It like pauses the clock or something? Yes, the clock pauses during the proceedings.

Right. Which makes sense. It shouldn't count against the state. Right. I can't believe I'm arguing for the state, God damn it. I've been thinking that a few times over the course of this conversation. I mean, I get it because you're... 60 women. You're arguing for the... You're arguing for the, you know, you're arguing for actual justice, but I'm saying,

I've thought of the irony of, like, you being like, if I was a prosecutor, this is what I out and all this stuff. Well, dude, y'all, and I don't know how much we've got into this on the podcast or how familiar people are who listen. I used to be a public defender. I'm very much pro-defendant most of the time. But here's what that has to do with.

Our system overcharges people. Right. It's not like, the drug war is infuriating. The fact that, you know, we use our legal system as new Jim Crow is infuriating. When we have people going to prison for drugs for nine years when they just get rehab in fucking Sweden, that's what. infuriates me. Right, well that's what I was going to say. Your whole thing is like not that guilty people shouldn't be punished. It's that our

system is insanely fucking draconian in that way. And that's what's bullshit. Right. Yeah, they're guilty, but they shouldn't get fucked the way that they often do. You know that phrase that a lot of libertarians want to parade around like they believe in it. It's better to let one guilty man walk free. Let a hundred guilty men walk free.

The block one innocent man up. I actually 100% believe that in my heart and, like, and, like, lived it for a few years. Without a fucking doubt, I believe that. So, our system does not actually use that motto at all. Like, prosecutors will claim it in a lot of different places, especially like, quote-unquote, liberal prosecutors, bull-fucking shit.

Because when you start talking to them about how to make systemic changes to make sure that we don't put one guilty, especially often black man away, they're like, no, no, no, if we do that, all these fucking monsters will be running around and it's like turns out usually you mean by monsters you often mean someone robbing a Walmart

and by rob I shouldn't even I shouldn't say rob shoplifting at Walmart to fucking buy drugs you know fuck you to death robbing does insinuate there's a gun correct yes but we're talking about or there was a person involved it involves stealing from a person a person not a corporation

not yes so stealing from a corporation is fine corporation our people so you know oh yeah I forgot about that well dude that's how I feel about like we say it's better to let 100 guilty man walk for him than one innocent person. That's how I feel about fucking welfare. Like that's how, that's what I've always said about that situation.

I was like, yeah, of course there's fucking people fucking it over. But like there's one lady out there who will die. And so her kids will. Or her kids will die, which is, you know, the thing you're supposed to care about. I digress. It ain't that hard being decent.

Right. No, it's really not. Anyway, a mistrial for a hung jury in America. It depends on the state and the jurisdiction. But generally speaking, what it means is that the jurors could not agree. In a lot of places, if you get like nine or ten, it depends on the place, not guilties, that's a not guilty.

But in all places it has to be, that I know of, it has to be a unanimous guilty before you're found guilty. Which I also agree with. And what I think happened in this case, and it may have even come out, but I didn't read about it, is that we probably had nine guilties and one or two, not guilties.

They were definitely men, and they didn't believe her. They thought she was after his money. Or they were big Cosby fans or both. again man that's that's just one of those things where like you there's so many people that just they don't want to hear they're not trying to hear that shit and they don't want to send god damn bill cosby's joke is like their entire life it ain't defended it it's horrible but it's it's impossible not to be especially if you're a 40 to 50 year old person who literally

grew up with cosby stand up uh you grew up with fat albert you grew up with the hugspulls like there's it's impossible not to be biased by bill cosby right well you just reminded me of a point i was going to make him and i forgot to. I think their goal is, when we were talking about statute of limitations, they said they vowed to bring it again. I really think their goal is to kill him. And I mean that, and I think it's a final goal.

I think their goal is to try him until they get a guilty or the stress of this either kills him or makes him so old and sick that he can't do anything. Can we start having stand-ins? Can actors get sidework doing that? We're like, you try a dude who is

and present all the evidence of what happened with Bill Cosby, but never tell him it was fucking Bill Cosby. You just got this fucking dude here. Right? Here's why that won't work in the American justice system and it's a principle that I truly believe in and it is in the Constitution as a defendant. I was kind of being funny, but no, I know, but I'm going to go

into why you're being funny after I say this. As a defendant, you have the right to confront witnesses against you. Sure. So you have the right to stand trial on your own. Oh, right, yeah. And the reason that that right is good is because what you said

is brilliant because it would fucking work. It would work in this case. Yeah. It would work in so many cases. Yeah. Like, we got a white dude who's being accused of stealing, you know, old ladies' pensions. Fucking get a black dude to stand in at the trial. See what they do.

Guilty, baby. See what they do. Yeah, I've always like, it's a... You've got a black dude accused of robbing somebody based on an ID late at night. Well, why does there... This is just a thought... This is just a thought experiment at this point, but, like, why does it have to be a black dude sitting there? Why does it have to be anybody sitting there?

Just not a celebrity. It's stupid, but... I'm saying how. hypothetically, like... Why can't you forego it if you want to as the defendant? So the defendant has the right to be there, but you're saying what Corey suggested, and you were like, yeah, you got a white guy accuses, put a black guy there and see what happens. I'm saying in like the same general idea, but there's just not a person.

A human. It's like person X, all the evidence, and there's not a person sitting in a chair. Well, again, as here's the facts, whatever, you have the right to be there. Right, of course. Right. But an interesting question is... Well, Cosby would never want to be there. Well, maybe not.

Cosby would be there. But an interesting question is, could you forego that right? Right. Here's the problem with that. A lot of cases involve some sort of ID. As an evidentiary rule, you have to put in the record, and who was it that you caught stealing? And who was it that did the robbery? And who was it that you found with the weed?

And then the person points and says, that person right there, let the record reflect that they're pointing to the defendant. It's always this big, dramatic bullshit. Actually, I love this idea. I wish the defense lawyers of America would get together. and try to make that something that they could wave if they wanted to. Oh, my God, just remind me a story real quick. Let me just tell us. This fucking lawyer, this badass fucking lawyer in Miami.

It was in juvenile court. It was a private lawyer. It came in one time. And we got going. We started the trial. And it was going through, going through, going through. And who was it that stole from you or whatever it was? Blah, blah, blah.

Let the record reflect. They pointed out the defendant. This motherfucking lawyer stands up and goes, let the record reflect they did not point at the defendant. I was like, what? The judge's the counselor, he clearly pointed at the defendant. Your Honor, the person to my right sitting in the defendant's chair is not the defendant. This is the defendant right here.

Put a witness, one of the defendant's friends, in the chair beside him during the court proceeding. Oh, shit. And just naturally, because this is how cops or whoever it was work, you know, they don't fucking remember what the kid actually looked like. They're just going through the goddamn motions. They're like, that's the defendant. You're not really supposed to, but there's no fucking rule against it. And it probably worked. I don't remember what the judge did because I wasn't there for it.

I heard about this, but like... That's fucking gangster, dude. That's gangster. I was so jealous. I don't think of that. Yeah, but that's kind of, I mean, that's kind of sort of like doing what we're talking about doing here. The reason that I even thought of that, it stems from an idea that I had that I would like to see done in like a mock election or something. I always thought it would be interesting to do a mock election and have, when people go to vote, there's no D or R beside the name.

So go to like a county like Salina or like one of ours that carries. Trump by a lot. And when you've got these candidates running for senator in Congress or whatever, do a mock election before. Don't have the D or the R and see if it still swings as heavily Republican. It won't. There's no fucking way. Your point is they don't actually know their names.

They just see the R and they click it. And I know that for a fact, because I heard when we were kids. And I've done it before. I've got to say. I've done that too. I have to. I don't think. I'm guilty of it too.

I'm saying what would be interesting is you see that one time and you go, fuck. I need to research. I need to know who the fuck. If I want to vote for Republican, I got it. least look it up. Just like your court plan, it is very interesting. And it will never happen. Yeah.

But it would be cool as a mock thing. I mean, a mock, just to get people thinking. Like, obviously, we're not going to be able to. I wouldn't be surprised if that hasn't been done before. So I want to say this real quick, and it's fine to go on the Cosby thing. I have been wanting to do a criminal justice system episode, like a full hour, hour and a half on it. So let's plan on doing that soon.

But I want to prepare for that. Do you know what I mean? Talk about some things with y'all. Ask you about y'all's life. But I wanted to briefly. go into the health care bill because it's been in the news and obviously I'm fucking furious about Mitch McConnell. I don't know if you

saw the story that's come out now is he had polio as a child and the government paid for all his bills and saved his life. Can you just get polio in your neck? Is that how it works? And it makes you look like a turtle. And now he is trying to take health care away from

the irony and the evil of that has me furious and then I would love to go into the health care bill with you guys but none of us have seen it because that's the fucking problem. They're passing it in the dark. How's that democracy? Yeah, well, it's not, but, you know,

they've pretty clearly shown that they don't give a fuck about that. But also what you just said a minute ago, like the blatant hypocrisy and stuff, that's also nothing new for this. This is a super, like, kind of, it's very, very anecdotal and very cherry picking, too, but that reminded me of

the actor, Craig T. Nelson. Coach. Yeah, coach. We're talking about him yesterday. He's a big time conservative and he very infamously once said. He goes, look, I've been on food stamps. I was on food stamps for a while.

Nobody ever helped me out. Or nobody ever gave me nothing or something like that. Literally in the same sentence. He's like, look, I've been on food stamps. Nobody ever gave me a handout. Lord. That's amazing. That's just, you know, that's how their brains were.

Is that, yeah. Well, he deserves. It deserved it. You know what I mean? Like in his head or whatever. I deserve mine. That's what you always say. I don't fucking so many people on food stamps.

Has done a heel turn on it though and is now calling senators trying to get them to pass it. Like pass it or show it? To pass it. Okay. Like he went from, you know, calling it mean and being, you know, questioning it. He don't want anybody to see it, though. It's not a fucking birth certificate. Well, he's not stupid in terms of branding.

Of course not. It's called Trump care. Like, it's already been, you know, called that. So he knows his names on it And he doesn't care about people I don't want to suggest it at all But he cares very much about that name So I was hoping that he would continue

To kind of put pressure on him To make it decent It doesn't look like that's going to happen Well dude that's what I mean shit That's what I hoped about him in the very beginning When he first got elected I was saying And we didn't even do the podcast then

So I don't think I ever said it on there or nothing But I know I said it A lot of times just a day to day life For conversations That I was hoping beyond hope that maybe if for no other reason than his own narcissism and egomania that he would actually try, actually end up really, really trying because he would not want to go down as a terrible, terrible, shitty president only because of how much he cares about his brand and his

image, not because he cares of how the effect of on the country or the people is, but how it would reflect on him. So that's how I tried to rationalize it in my own head. I was like maybe if for no other reason than that, he will actually, it won't be that bad for that reason. And that's been the opposite of truth this entire time. So what you just said doesn't surprise me at all. To a specific brand of people, though, he's fucking crushing it. I mean, at least they're still saying that he's fucking crushing it.

Because, I mean, what is being a great president in terms of like so many people I know think it's Reagan, but I think it's fucking. No, no, no. I was only, Reagan was, even Reagan was only a couple decades, whatever, few decades, three, 30 years ago. So like, I'm talking about being judged by history as such. Right.

And there's a way to be objectively good or bad. And it doesn't fucking matter what the people in Chickamauga or saliva, their opinion on how he's done. What I'm saying is a lot of people that I see are saying things like, you know, yeah, Trump's making the unpopular decisions now, but later on people will realize. So, like, there's a lot of,

When they can't get medicine, they'll turn on him. I think he sucks. And he knows that. No, but I think he does know that on some level. Oh, you're fine, buddy. What's happening? Okay. From the Chicago Tribune?

Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah, we got to go anyway. So it's appropriate to talk a little bit about the justice system and somewhat about health care because the interview for this week. We did this a while ago, so bear with us. This was in Washington, D.C. with our buddy who's a comic, a political agent who he calls himself and calls us a super stoner and a good buddy, hilarious friend of ours, Travis Irvine. Oh, my birthday, I believe. I think that's right. Travis has run for office in the state of Ohio.

He supported Bernie Sanders. He has supported libertarians, which, you know, academically couldn't be any different than each other. But, you know, Travis, I think, goes into and you can understand. understand if you follow American politics how libertarians and Bernie Sanders do have some things in common. But anyway, it's a really interesting conversation. Travis has an album coming out, and we'll plug that, and you guys should listen to it. I'm going to listen to it. It's on the same label as our hero, Stuart Huff.

They've done a few of Stuarts. They did Travis's, and I'm going to listen to it. Not only because he's funny, I mean, there's a lot of funny albums that I don't listen to. He's one of the most interested motherfuckers I've ever been around. he's interviewed Alex Jones He's fucking He's something else He's a sweetheart too

Yeah I love Travis So yeah Thank y'all will too So enjoy this interview with Travis Irvine And how are at us next week Askew Here's our interview with Travis Irvine His album is available on iTunes

It's called Guy from Ohio And it's also available on On Tour Records At On Tour Records Atonor Records. Spelled correctly unlike the Will Red Boys, because they have fucking sense. Here's Travis.

Well, well, well. Here with the inimitable Travis Irvine, who is a buddy of ours and a comic and a political dude. A political journalist. A politician once a part of a time. But he's more than a, yeah, he's a political multi-half in it. Well, no, I was going to go into the whole thing. But we probably just told you a little bit about that.

I don't know two. Well, we probably just told you about that in our end. intro, which we record later, and we're still learning how all this shit works. But so what we'll say is we are sitting here together in Washington, D.C., at the... Washington Hilton on 1919, Connecticut Avenue, the place where Ronald Reagan was shot, but not killed. Excuse. And you said the guy that did it is out of jail? No, in England.

He was out of jail. Got out of the sheer, right? He gets a free room here, actually. He's part of the preferred member. He got a free room for 28 years. That was where he was in prison here. He was a mental. It was a mental.

That's part of why he got out. He pled insanity in one. And this is the thing that the movies don't tell you is that when you plead insane and win, you still have to go away. I've never understood that whole thing like pleading insanity. Yeah, if you try to shoot the president, you're fucking crazy. Right. You know what? There's no, like, open a shot. It has more to do with, if you're so insane, you don't understand the difference between right and wrong.

Sure. Which is a pretty high standard to meet, usually. Right. If I'm not mistaken, he met it. But then here's why people want to do it. Because it's like, then it'll be like, what's the desire? A, in theory, mental hospitals are nicer than prisons. You know, there's like a lot less rape and stuff.

And then, two, if you can convince your doctor after a few years that you are no longer, that he or she has saved you, then you get out. Wow. That's great. You know what I learned. Sometimes. Sometimes a judge will be like, well, if you cure him, bring him back here, we're going to might do this trial again. Right.

Wait. No, I think I just spoke ignorantly. I don't know, guys. I'm not a lawyer anymore. That was your only lawyer I know. That's a good point, Corey. Yeah. Well, here's something I learned.

I mean, obviously, John Hinkley was in love with Jody Foster. Yeah, that was a weird part of it. Right. Like I said, he's insane. Yeah. And, but I didn't know this, that John Wilkes Booth was, like, one of the top actors of us. day when he killed Lincoln? He was like it's like George Clooney.

Right. That's what I've heard. His brother was the top actor of the day. Oh, okay. He was at mid-level. So he was, Casey Affleck. He was Luke Wilson.

No, this would be like if Stephen Baldwin killed Donald Trump. Are you sure? The thing I thought, the thing I read said that he was a big fucking deal. And it's acting. My wife told me all about it. Acting, maybe. Irvine's a politics guy and he just said the same shit we thought.

It was a big deal, wasn't he? He was a big deal, is what I understand. Maybe his brother was a bigger deal, but I think it would be more like if Casey Affleck. I like the Stephen Baldwin. That's a good. Alex, Alex and Trump, yeah,

and they're buddies. And then Stephen Baldwin's just like doing his character from usual suspects. I don't know where my phone is. I can't look it up and tell everyone how right I am. Your phone's right there. That's Corey's. Oh, that's correspondence. Yeah.

Use the hotel. I will find a very. Call the operator in the hotel. He was like, uh, he was cloning. Okay. Wow. So anyway,

while Corey's doing some, uh, investigative journalism over here. Oh, wait. We got one more conspiracy shooting, president's shooting story that's related to us. We played the Texas theater. Oh, yeah. Which is where Oswald hid. It's where they found him.

Yeah, that's where he went. There was his meeting point for his CIA contact. Yes. Before he realized he was the past. Right. And arguably, more significantly, that's also where we had the biggest show of our tour, which I think. Oh, that's pretty cool. I think they'll change the Wikipedia entry.

the Texas theater now to reflect that. And also. And Oswald, that'll be a footnote. We don't even know that that happened. We do know that. I'm so stupid. I'm so angry at myself. I have a joke about them killing Kennedy,

and I didn't do it then. You didn't do it then? Just because I didn't think of what it was until later. I only have a couple, just that, no matter what you think about conspiracy theories. Good. Hold on. No, no, no, no, God.

Finish that real quick. All right, check this out. I have this pretty good joke about that. Corey will interrupt. again. I don't even remember the joke now. All right, what is that thing? I swear on my

fucking life. This says, known by the masses in the hantlerlands, the Boots were the bald ones of their day. Boom. Boose eldest brother Edwin was probably the Alec Baldwin.

Boom! Boom, baby! Now, it doesn't say if he's Stephen or Billy. Truly. He's not Daniel. He couldn't have been Daniel.

He doesn't say that, but, yeah, I got to give this one to my main man, Drew over here. God, damn. You can't really nail it harder than that. No, you can be that was a pretty fucking. I pray stole it from that. I didn't. I don't know what that is. Wow.

Good call. Thanks. Holy moly. So, dude, that's good to win one every once in a while. What are you doing now? Politically. You're always in some political shit. What are you in?

Why are you in D.C.? Doing a show? You back in some weed shit? Or what are you? you doing well you know i mean i was actually here i mean i don't know when this podcast comes out but i was we don't either buddy yeah we might burn it this is yeah this caps off a nice uh political weekend uh i went to the holiday party with the libertarian party was gary johnson gary johnson was not there he's done he's probably uh been high since the election um why would that exclude him from the libertarian

holiday party because uh i mean he he doesn't want to fly all the way over here with all that weed in his pocket. Yeah. He can do it in New Mexico. So that was fun, and then I actually went to some liberty-minded Republicans' holiday party,

these kids with Freedom Works, which was a whole thing about... Snoose Fest. Yeah, it was a snooze fest. And then I got to hang out with the redacted Tonight guys, John F. O'Donnell Lee Camp, I think.

They're big fans of your guys, viewers. Lee Camp knows about the liberal redneck? Well, more like John F. O'Donnell. Johnny knows about you guys, and he is a big fan. I love to love to

fight with Lee Camp about some shit. Oh, I'm sure, yeah. And then, um, and so that was fun. So I got my Green Party people in and now I'm hanging out with you guys, hanging out with my Democrats. So I'm working all at all the, yeah, you're rushing in all sides. Just love, love, you know, getting all the perspectives. None of people do that, you know? We got all this fake news stuff going on right now. I could not anymore with that shit. Yeah. So many people will say to us, like, at shows or just whenever about how, like, you know, I've just, I've had to delete so many people. I've had to, like, get rid of so many people and cut so many people out of my life because of Trump or whatever else. And I'm always like, that's, you shouldn't do that.

Yeah, you're just making your bubble. Right. You're just reinforcing your bubble. A, you need to be reminded that those people are out there. But more importantly, that they are people that you know. Right. You know what I mean? They're not some nebulous, just like other that exist.

These are people that you fucking know that are that. You need to be reminded of that fact, but also you need to see at least partially where they're coming from, whether you empathize with it or not, you need to see where it helps your argument. Yeah. You know, like I saw, I was, I saw so many,

I saw so many posts from people, like right after the election, like, I can't believe this happened. And like three posts before that was, I deleted 700 Trump people. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, see this guy in me? Yeah, yeah. Well, those 700 motherfuckers, you know, they voted. They all voted, yeah. And they got their families to vote.

And you didn't because you thought it was fine. Yeah. No, it's, um, most of the, the post-election analysis I've seen that I agree with is that the Democrats

were to blame, the Clinton campaign was to blame and they're so, they've been so eager to blame everybody from millennials to third party voters to the media, to Comey, to the Russians. They blame everyone except themselves. You know, I see its headlines, Robbie Mook blames millennials. It's like, well, when is Robbie Mook

going to blame Robbie Mook? First of all, you run into campaign and your name's Mook? Come on. Get out of here. There's a mook out of here. It is now. It does sound. It sounds racial.

No, I actually watched... Oh, God, we just cursed. Yeah. You're going to lose the MOOC audience now. Scorsese, I'm not sure if it was his first one, but it's the first one with De Niro, and it's called it. Oh, mean streets, yeah. There's Scorseszi this weekend.

I thought it was hilarious how... That actually looked like De Niro's face. I thought that's who you were doing, was De Niro. It looked just... Well, that's a really good DeNiro, true. But, yeah. There's a scene in it where... Harvey Catele and De Niro are screaming at each other.

It's like, I'm not a mook. You're a fucking mook. You're a fucking, who you call it a fucking mook? At that time, I didn't even know. But it was like the most, it seemed like over the top and stereotypical. But I think at the time it was just, you know, like. And I only say this because, I only say this is Corsese and those dudes. I'm like, oh, well, no, this isn't humorously egregious.

But to me, it seems that right. I was like, what is this? This is weird. Yeah, no, that must have been the argument they were having in Hillary's campaign headquarters on election night. I'm not a moot. You're the fucking moot. It was a, I'm not a cuck.

You're a fucking cuck or whatever that all right. I think that what's sad to me about that is that's what they say about my generation of liberals. You just blame everyone else for your problems, and you won't take any initiative. I don't feel that my generation is like that, but that is the campaign that just happened. That's the campaign. Everyone else is a problem.

Every millennial has a goddamn podcast. That's an initiative. Man, in fairness, in fairness, though, that's, in my opinion, true for almost everybody. I mean, like, the Republicans and them have been, they'll blame literally anything on Obama. That's been their whole M.O. Right, right.

It has anything to do with it. Right. It's a big part of politics. Everybody, right. Matter of fact, if you're really good at blaming someone else, for whoever you work for as problems, you can make a shitload of money in politics. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. As long as you defuse the situation or whatever. Well, it's been a strange election season, and I know this may come out later, but I think it will still be relevant to talk about. What, if anything, what are your favorite or least favorite? I don't know. What interesting has happened to you, Travis?

Is there anything so... Well, you guys were talking about getting deleted. So, I mean, I talked to you guys on Election Day when you're doing your serious radio broadcast. You did. You called in and joined us. Thank you. It was fantastic.

Thank you for having me. And I did election night in Albuquerque with the Gary Johnson campaign. That was interesting because, you know, watching with a bunch of libertarians, we all knew we weren't going to win. We didn't know who was going to win. So no one was, like, overtly sad and no one was like overtly happy. Yeah, everyone was just kind of surprised. Oh, that guy, Trump, he pulled it off. Well, okay.

You know, so no one was sad. No one was happy about it. And so, but since then, you know, I made it pretty clear on my social media that I was a third party voter. I've got, you know, when we talk about running for office, this is part of my brand is the, give the two-party system the third finger, right? So I've got that on the social media, and I just remember election night just watching the friends just disappear, right? They're just like, oh, they blame you. Yeah, they blame me.

Because, you know, Rachel Maddow was right out of the gate on election. I'd be like, well, look, Gary Johnson's voters, that's the difference between Hillary losing and it was like, well, none of these people would have voted for Hillary. None of Gary Johnson. None of Jill Stein's people would have voted for Hillary either. Right. And I don't, so to me, I don't blame Gary Johnson or whatever. It's like you were saying that if the Democrats had a better candidate, those people would have maybe. They would have voted for that candidate.

But you're right. Those people weren't voting for her no matter of fucking what. Right. You know? So like Gary Johnson really doesn't have much to do with it. I don't think. It's way more about her than it is about it. I didn't feel that way at first, but the more I've read it.

sense. I'm like, yeah, you're probably fucking right. And honestly, it is better for them to have at least went out and voted then not vote, because the not vote is the same as doing that. And at least now, you know, with him getting 3%, was it 3%? Was it 3%? And does that guarantee

presence in the debate? No. No, definitely not. No, unfortunately. They wanted 5% nationally, so what would happen is, I think we talked about an election a Libertarian Party would then get like matching federal funds to become a major political party. That didn't happen, which is actually probably good because

libertarians would have had a whole conscious of debate. Yeah, existential crisis. Yeah, existential crisis. Do we accept the money? Yeah. So they've avoided that, but what they did get was if Gary Johnson met certain thresholds of 3% or 5% in a lot of states, they get automatic ballot access for the next four years. So they got that in 37 states. And a lot of people don't think about that. That's awesome. The Republicans and Democrats have done all they could to keep like third parties off the ballot all across the country.

So the libertarians did get 37 states with automatic ballot access and that saves hundreds of thousands of dollars in the next four years. So that's probably one of the best things that happened and they're very happy about it. In my opinion, however you feel about politics, if you are even interested in something other than a two-party system that this is a big victory. Yeah, I would say it's a victory for America, Travis. Well, let's not go too far. But, you know, I mean, the libertarians have always had it more together in terms of ballot access and third party, things like that, than the Green Party.

Well, okay, I was about to ask you personally. I know you're big on, you know, fuck the two-party system. Right. For the record, I agree with you about that. But, like, my whole thing has just always been, I think I'm being pragmatic when I'm like, well, look, that's just not the way it fucking is. And I know your whole thing is, well, yeah, it's not. And we've got to change that. But my question is, is it more about for you, is it more about fuck the two-party system and we need multiple parties?

Or is it, but is it a libertarian thing? Like for you? Because like when we talk to you, you're with the, like, are you libertarian? Or is it just like, no, we just, we need to get more than just these fucking two? Yeah, it's both. I mean, I was always, I always was sympathetic to third political parties. Like, for me, I was the only kid who voted for Ross Perot in my third. grade mock election in 1992.

I did do. Yeah. So, you know, I didn't understand it then. I probably don't understand it. I think I did too, but I don't know why. Yeah. We talked about it. We all three know why and what's wrong with us.

We were just like, well, we're not going to be like everybody else. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, um, but you know. At that age. We already knew. It did.

Yeah. You always know early. But no, I was, you know, during the Bush years, I was definitely a Democrat. And I thought I was doing all the right things. It would be like, I'm anti-war. I'm pro-civil liberties. Sounds good. You know, and so that's why I thought it was a Democrat.

And then you voted for hope and change, and so little things changed in terms of foreign policy. Oh, is that really? Is that? Is that? 2007, 2008, yeah, I was big on Obama. I was, but I was also big. I loved what Ron Paul was doing on the Republican side, because all of a sudden there's this one Republican on the debate stage saying, I'm actually anti-war and I'm pro-civil liberties,

and I think it's wrong that we're taking our party in this direction. And I was like, whoa, who's this guy? I agree with that. Yeah, and then they're, and I'm like, well, who's Ron Paul? For Obama, because he's saying the same thing. Yeah, and at the time, Obama was saying the same things. He was like, we got to restore habeas corpus. We got to close Guantanamo Bay.

And then, you know, what happens? He becomes the drone king. Dude, man, I could not have been more of a, like, I don't remember that. Whatever the, you know, Bernie Bros. In this last election, whatever the term was for that for Obama, I was one of those guys at that time. I could not have been more like, this is my fucking dude. Yeah. This guy's going to save us all.

I was such a fucking true believer. And the effect his president's had on me, and by the way, I think overall he's done a great job, and I think history will favor him ultimately. But I think he'll be in at least the top 20. But he has what that, right? 20. He's in the top half. But the effect that that had on me was that I stopped believing that any one guy could affect that level of change,

which is how I felt about. Like all the guys are super pro Bernie. I was like, he ain't going to do all that shit. He can't. Even if he wants to, he can't because Obama killed that belief in me. This is what happens when a candidate runs on hope and then bombs brown people and keeps getting mo open. You just killed Frey Crowder's spirit and his innocence. Yeah.

Yeah, pretty much, yeah. He did a lot of shit. He didn't close Guantanamo. Early on his president, he was real bad about like fucking drug raids and shit like that. early on the drone strikes and everything. I mean, there was a lot of shit. He was soft on the fucking banks. I mean, he did a lot of shit I don't fucking like.

He also did a lot of shit I do like, though. Right. And you neoliberal pig. I felt like he did. I felt like he did a good job all things considered. Bernie, Bernie. We trust the tray. We trust the tray.

We trust the tray. I'll try it, dude. No, but that's a great point. Let's talk about the Bernie thing, too, because this was an outsider election year. 2016, that's why Donald Trump and outsider was able to take over the Republicans. And the Democrats had an outsider. His name was Bernie Sanders, and they squashed it. They squashed his populace movement within the Democratic.

I mean, I'll tell you some other. To the bro choir. Yeah, some analysis that I've read that I also agree with is that Bernie would have won. Bernie would have wiped the floor. He would have the only guys having crowds as big as Trump's, you know, was Bernie. Because you brought that up, I'm going to, let me. Let me run some shit by you. I will say,

I'll just also point out, I'm still a registered Democrat in Ohio because I registered in the primary to vote for Bernie. And Bernie would have pulled a bunch of Gary Johnson people too. We had a fan come up just in a book event and talk about how Bernie's biggest coalition was in Kansas.

And that's when I was like, here and then, I was like, what? Yeah. Yeah, we had fucking X number of marchers and all this shit. And I was like, fuck, he would have won. Yeah, Bernie would have earned some red city. Okay, listen, on that note,

oh, he would have won or whatever. and that's what everybody says. And I'm not saying it wouldn't have. This is just some shit I saw on the internet today. I just want to bring it up to get your response to it. Pizza gate. Yes, what do you think? No, it was like everybody keeps parenting this, but they,

apparently some political journalists, I can't remember his name, you might even fucking know the guy, but he said that he, he wrote an article claiming that he has saw the Republicans' opposition strategy for if Bernie won. Like the RNC's like opposition strategy, but he didn't so they never pulled it out, but basically what they were going to go after him for. And he's basically saying, look, fuck all the polls before this, like, oh, he would have won, whatever. He didn't get to the point to where they really started going after him.

And if they would have, it would have been hard for him to stand up to it. And because there was shit like, and I know we've heard about that, he went to that fucking rally in Venezuela or wherever it was. It was a super anti-American thing, and he was there like, this is patriotic. Like, and apparently he wrote an essay in which a woman enjoyed being raped. And it was like, oh, I saw it. And a bunch of other shit that, hold on, a bunch of other shit that like never really got talked about because they never needed to. Right. Didn't have to. In fact, a lot of people were like, they, hell, they wanted him to win because they, the primary, because when he got up there, they thought, we could fucking ruin this guy with all this shit.

we're holding on to in our back pocket, but we never had to see all that because he wasn't the nominee. Do you think any of that is valid at all? Or do you still think, like, no, he would have wiped the fore with Trump? Because I know Trump has worse, but nobody gives a fuck about Trump. Well, that's what I'm saying? They're the equivalent of that? Yeah, what did Bernie write about rape now?

Well, apparently, his Trump supporters love rape. Yeah. I'm going to vote Bernie now. I was wondering why you're going to vote for Trump. I was like, well, that's grabbing all the pussies. Yeah. But now this Bernie guy is pretty cool with rapes, so, yeah. 99% of pussies.

And the R&C got to beat by Trump. So, like, I hear about their strategy, it's like, the dude with a golden toilet beat you. What the fuck do you know? I still think it's valid to point out that Bernie never got to the point to where the other side was coming after him. Well, you know, if they would have, there's a lot of shit there that a lot of your average middle American Democrat

might have been like, Oh, fuck. I don't feel like average middle America. First of all, I'm not sure that's a thing anymore. Yes, it is. And I don't think, but like. That's the people who voted for Hillary, man. A lot of them.

Yes. But with those people have chosen Trump over Bernie, I think that election would have come down to his supporters who wouldn't have given a fuck what you dug up about him versus Trump supporters who didn't give a fuck up what you dug up about him. I always point out of my stand up. You got out like Trump didn't convert a whole lot of Republicans who at the end of the day were like,

fuck it, I'm voting for it. Bernie would have done a lot of that too. There would have been a lot of women. The argument here is that, and again, I'm just playing devil's advocate because I'm not saying this would happen. But the argument here is that, like, he would not have been able to do that with the democratic equivalent of those people because of all this other shit that never really got talked about because he didn't get to that point. All the super socialist shit and other stuff in his past that we never even talked to. He was on, like, unemployment or welfare or something for years and years.

He stole electricity from a neighbor for a while. Bernie a redneck. Anyway, just all this shit that cards they never even had to play. And how those cards might have had an effect on him and you can't just say, no, he would have won't. You're telling me that there's middle of the road Democrats who would have, because he stole electricity and wrote that about rape, would have been like, fine, I'm not going to vote against you. No, I'm not telling you that. I'm telling you guys. He is just opening a discussion.

Yes, sincerely. For a discussion, you sure have talked an awful lot. What do you think would have happened? What do you think would have happened? You guys opened up would be like he would have won And I'm saying, well, here's some people,

here's some things That's not like Trump. So people are saying, do you think he would have won? People are saying, I don't know, man. I mean, Socialist is a fucking dirty word.

It is. I love him, but like it is. That's what's fucked up about America today. Right. Right. It's fine.

Obviously. Obviously, it's fine. Do you see who we just fucking elected? Clearly that's fine. Yeah. But yeah, socialists.

there's no fucking way. A lot of those people that don't, and I don't know how to say this, I'm not trying to talk down, but socialists, like, okay, where I'm from.

I know when I don't try to talk down, saying that. No, I know, but no, let me explain it like this. No, let me explain it like this,

when I was growing up because I remember having to grow up and learn before I got out of this. Like, the word atheist and the word, just the word abortion and the word atheists, those were literally naughty words. That's what I'm saying.

It almost just... Socialist is like that. And it is like that. And there's a lot of people who are... A lot of people who are smarter, they know... Like, if they actually just thought about it, they'd be like, oh, but it's so ingrained in them that socialism is Fidel Castro and it's all that stuff. And that they don't think twice about it.

And honestly, like, they've never had to, really, or they've never given a shit to because they've got other stuff going on. So I personally believe that. Yeah, there's a lot of people who... Really, Bernie shit could have worked for them, but they hear socialism, and it's the same as my grandmother hearing atheists. I have a feeling that Bernie's going to be dead by the time we released this podcast. There was a lot of...

There was another thing in there about something to do with sympathizing pretty explicitly with Castro at one point, and the guy was like, that alone would have cost in Florida right there. For sure. So it's like just shit like that. But he just needed to win the Rust Belt. Yeah, and Bernie would have been a better candidate because he was in their videos of him doing it for decades where he opposed NAFTA and TPP. All the thing. He could have picked up Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio.

Right, which is where Trump won the election. Exactly. That's all very valid. I'd like to ask you about another figure. you and I have talked a lot in the past about Alex Jones and it's been kind of interesting if not insane to me what has happened as this man has seemingly melted down He's done a 180

He's a 180 He melted down When he thought Trump was going to lose Yeah He was he burned to death He freaked the fuck out Remember that one meltdown he had? He cried I mean there's so many

There's so many Alex Jones meltdowns where he cries Oh really? There's a bunch of them I'm sick to say he wept and won there yeah well and now he's reinvented himself seemingly as yeah i remember seeing him uh drinking champagne on election night with uh my old freelance boss rogers stone which is fine he wanted to win yeah but he seems to go from a guy who says the government's evil right he's done a 180 on it we can do that do you guys here ask me questions about conspiracies i'll answer him like new alex jones new alex jones all right

we call him status alex jones we said status alex joan cam trails are actually good those are vitamins. Those are vitamins and they're good for you. So Alex, you're saying they're real, but they're good for the people. I mean, I don't even know if they're real. You know, I've been learning a lot of new things at the CIA, thanks to President Trump. And you know what? Camtrails, never really heard of them. You're at the CIA now, so how is the CIA? I'm taking a lot of classes at the CIA, yeah. Learn a lot about how fluoride is good. Vaccinations are actually, those actually stop autism. I don't know if you guys knew that. I'm getting my kids vaccinated again tomorrow. They They love it. It's a family outing.

Your kids like to get vaccinated. Oh, yeah. We're just doing it for fun now. What about, how do you feel about climate change? Oh, climate change is real and we need to deal with it. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. What about the lizard Bilderberg, Illamani?

Well, let's be honest. Lizard people has always been David Ike. David Ike is crazy. I think we can all agree he's crazy. You know, he's a turd in the punch bowl. That's how I feel about David Ike. But Billerberg's and Illuminati, those guys are good. Those are good guys.

I like what they're doing. They really like what they're doing. Look, CIA is doing a great job. FBI is doing a great job. NSA. Oh, 9-11. Oh, 9-11 was Al-Qaeda, and, you know, that's about it. They act alone.

That's all I got to say about that. People keep asking me about Building 7. I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not sure. They skip right through 1-6. Like, why aren't we talking about those movies? Yeah, I don't even think it was a real thing, to be honest. So what has made you see the light, Alex Jones?

President Trump. President Trump? He's brought you around on all this? Absolutely. He's brought me around on government. And, you know, if you have any more questions, you can check out my revamped website, infoawards.gov. Check it up. Fucking got him!

I just got a lot headed. There we go. That's a fantastic. So, that's new Alex Jones. All right. So, phenomenal. That was great. There's two things I want to get to before, and we've got a little bit, but we've been taking a long time on all these things.

Imagine that. All right. Travis, I know you are very passionate about marijuana legislation. Yes. And where we're going and where we've been and all that good shit. And there's something, and I want to segue from that into a cratim in a little bit. Which is something that you might say we're passionate about. Some people say we're passionate about.

Some people would say we're addicted. And I do think they are very, very. intertwined because you've got the fucking motherfucking DEA sitting in the middle of the whole thing. They're the shitty core of the whole problem. We're sharing a mic right now. Corey hasn't wanted the mic

for a solid 25, 30 minutes, and he just took the mic from Trey. I was just trying to hit. God damn you're hit. We worked it. We looked bad. Like a dude who wanted to talk about drugs. Travis. Are you? That was the whole thing I was doing. Are you? How do you feel right now? Because they just

I mean, it just got I traffic feels high right now. It just got legalized recreationally and multiple additional states. Like to me, it feels like, exactly. To me it feels like we're moving in.

We're moving in that direction. When I think it's the right direction and like, y'all are winning. Right. So, but like what, do you agree? And part of him, you worry about Trump at all?

I know he's like a state's rights guy type dude, but he's also a fucking teetotaler and whatever else. Well, he appointed Jefferson Beauregard sessions so far is his nominee for, Attorney General and that dude is so anti-marijuana that he is quoted once of saying the only

problem I have with the KKK is they smoke marijuana. Oh, geez. Wait, I didn't know a KKK smoke marijuana. That's why. A lot of people don't realize redneck smoke weed. Their rednecks get high all the time. Not to know rednecks are KKK guys. Right, right, right. All KKK are

rednecks. Well, rednecks get high like a motherfucker. Another thing about that, and I don't want to get off on a tangent, but when he said that, that time of the KKK Kay's life, and I'm not sure about now, but at that time, it was just redneck and mostly a gang, and they, like, ran weed to pay for their shit. Now, with the new alt-right and the business suit, you know, white nationalists that we got, that might be a completely different thing, but they were pretty rag-tag when he said that.

Yeah. They were basically a gang that sold marijuana. So we have asked you a four-minute question, so please respond. My answer is Bernie. Come on, baby. Bernie. We trust to turn. We trust the chairman.

We trust. We trust the trade. No. It's great that it's happening state by state, and this has been going on now for 20 years. 1996 was the first year where California got medical, and they passed that. 1996? It's wild, but 96 was 20 years ago. I know.

20 years ago. So, yeah, I think we're getting closer and closer to the tipping point, actually, on the politics of the pot. And what's the tipping point? The tipping point is that once, I think we're at 29 states total now have medical or recreational marijuana. of laws on the books. And the other 21. And even the others are like at least decriminalize now. Yeah, right.

Yeah, like we're, yeah, we're in college now. And I think we're getting to the point. You know, I do Roger Stone, his podcast and his radio show sometimes. He was the top advisor to Trump. Oh, I thought he and I have talked about. Pink Floyd. Who is Roger Waters? Roger Waters.

Stone versus Water. Yeah. So close. Yeah. But he and I have talked about the politics of pot. And if, you know, if Donald Trump is a sensible moral president, let's say, let's say something crazy happens. We could say that. You know, down the line.

Are you still doing your Alex Jones character? I am not. No, no, no. No, I'm just being a hopeful person, I guess. I mean, we don't know what the hell's going to happen. The Obama administration. This podcast may not even come out before Trump bombs the entire world. Yeah.

So, but, you know, from a business standpoint, the pot is a benefit to have it be. legal, right? I mean, you look at states like Colorado. Absolutely. Their prison population is going down, so their prison budget is getting less expensive. You know, they're actually enforcing, you know, criminal. They're actually trying to find criminals as opposed to nonviolent drug offenders. And then because they've managed to regulate and sell pot in a legal manner, they're raising millions of dollars a day. And they just, you know, I remember last year, Ohio voted to legalize pot or not. Your home state. My home state. And, of course, they didn't vote for it.

and that same year Colorado is voting to decide if they should take the tax dollars made on marijuana and put them into education. And they voted yes on that. So like they're so far ahead of the game. A bunch of good guys and good girls in Colorado. It's like, yeah, whatever, dude. Put in education, it's for the kids. Yeah, it's for the kids. Well, you know, and you think about, I mean, we do that with the lottery.

Oh, yeah. And Tennessee gambling was illegal forever. And then they finally legalized the lottery. But they were like, but listen, it's okay. We're not going to go to hell because we're going to put it towards. education but like I got the fucking hope scholarship I went to college in part because of that like it had immediate positive benefits yeah when your daddy loses the house you can still go to college and they've never like fucking look back you know yeah positive benefits on your life this

archaic moral idea of like what's wrong but then as soon as they went down that road they're like oh this is working out great yeah right turns out sinning is profitable yeah yeah yeah exactly just legalized sin absolutely I mean and then you regulate it and you you can end up doing some good with it. I mean, in England, they pay for everyone's health care by taxing cigarettes and alcohol. You know, I mean, so it's just kind of basic government stuff. Some libertarians don't even like that, though, which is funny. Some libertarians are so hardcore, they're like, why you've got to regulate in tax marijuana? Why can't you just? It's like, all right, everybody calm down. You know, this is a good way for a government to make money, get their books right, and let people actually be more free. What's it? Are those libertarians, the three who don't smoke weed that feel that way? Yeah, there are some weird libertarians that don't smoke weed. I don't talk to them.

I cut them out of my bubble. You're talking about tipping points and how we seem to be going that way, and it seems to be historically that we're doing that. Well, I'll just point out that if Donald Trump is a real businessman with a business sentence, I would have to imagine someone at least at some point being like, look, Donald, we can save money on prisons and enforcement, and the government will make more money on legalization and taxation. And, you know, yeah, if he's a state's rights guy,

if that ends up being the thing, he may instruct Jeff Sessions to deschedule it. I was hoping Obama would do it, but he didn't, so we got to see what happens with Trump. That's been a huge disappointment for me, but let's not dwell on that. Yeah. I want to ask you. And sorry, I mean, Trey pointed out, you know, Obama has done plenty of raids on the big dispensers in Oakland. I mean, he kept that going.

Especially, like, his first year, he was actually really, really bad about it. Yeah. But then you didn't get talked about. If you're not going to unschedule it, what choice do you have? That's what I want to ask about the sessions. Well, there's, let's look at the other. It's kind of like a stand down right now. Exactly.

Yeah. Like Obama got to a stand down point, and it's like, will Jeff Sessions keep the standdown going, or will he start enforcing it? How can he? How can a man who has campaigned his whole life being tough on crimes, including drugs, and especially marijuana, say, I'm not going to be a part of the administration that unscheduals it. We're going to keep it schedule one, but I'm going to let you guys do whatever you want to do. That, to me, it's almost insane. You don't have a federal government at that point. If the federal government is saying this is illegal, but we'll look at the other one,

way while you guys all do it right well that's been the the fascinating thing about the the politics of putt i mean for my master's thesis at uh columbia uh we shot an interview with uh with the deep slip that one in there didn't you yeah i'm an iv leager um but here's the fun part i did my master thesis on marijuana the politics of pot yeah man well yeah that's what that was the title that was the headline just a bunch of ends um PowerPoint present but the d a humboldt county Northern California Yeah he really That's where they grow a lot of the medicinal stuff

A lot of just a bunch of marijuana It's the biggest crop in Humboldt County And that was his thing He's like look I got the federal government Telling me this product is illegal I got the state government telling me It's legal under these certain circumstances What law do I need to impose here?

I'm the DA Which laws do I need to take care of And you know That's what I'm saying I just don't see Jefferson Beauregard sessions I can't get over his name Yeah

It's like Barack Hussein Same Obama, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good. You should definitely keep doing that. His middle name is Beauregard. Yeah, yeah. I just don't imagine a world.

I can totally imagine maybe Trump being like we're getting, what's unscheduled. I can't imagine him knowing that he can go raid people and not doing it. Right. Like, that dude don't turn down the opportunity to raid pothead hippies. Right. Well, I mean, that's what we got to see. We'll see what happens. And Cratim is definitely fun.

I mean, it's got no shot. Well, you guys are talking about creative, and I don't know what that is. So now I feel like the freshman in college. Real quick. Real quick. Real quick. I hope.

What, like, sincerely, what's your biggest reason personally for being so pro-marijuana legalization? Is it freedom? Or is it like because it genuinely helps so many people? Yeah. All of the above. All of that. Okay. Well, all the science.

Exactly how I feel about. cratim. And also it's like, just like weed, it's literally a plant that grows in the fucking ground. They grind the leaves up and eat them or make a tea out of it. And it's native to Southeast Asia and

in Southeast Asia. They've been doing that exact thing for centuries. But it is illegal in some of those countries too. Oh, do you know why? I don't. No bullshit. It's illegal in some of those countries

because those countries have a booming opium or uh poppy seat poppy poppy fields like a big money maker over there is literally the type of i got india whatever and and cratum hits the same receptors in your brain that opioids do and so that's why it's illegal there is because it was fucking up their their they're opiate economy it's fucking with big opiate right exactly what's uh i was going to say real quick that Travis made the tell me more face when you said it hits the same receptors as opium, Travis made the, tell me more.

Travis, it's a plant that's a, like a botanical cousin of the coffee plant. You look like a millennial wolverine right now. And it hits the same receptors in your brain that opioids do and it makes you like relaxed but alert at the same time.

But in my opinion, more importantly, for that same reason, a lot of people that are addicted to opiates, heroin and prescription narcotics, which is a literal fucking epidemic that not enough people talk about, especially where we're from, the fucking south. It's a fucking plague. Yeah. It's bad in Ohio right now. Cratum, yeah. Ohio's right there with it.

Cratum, a lot of these people have found, is hugely helpful in kicking those addictions and more so than like Suboxone and the other like drugs that the big pharma companies make. So people have been using it for that purpose. Well, me, my. mind, as soon as the DEA came out and said, well, we're going to make it Schedule 1, we're going to make it illegal. I was like, well, that's because Big Pharma was like, hey, people

are getting off of our shit with this fucking plant. We can't have that shit, so you need to fucking do something about it. And they came out and said, we're going to make it illegal because people are overdosing on it and people are, you know, there's addiction potential in all this shit. Literally none of those things are true

just the same way as they're not true for weed. There's no documented overdose on Kratom alone ever in the history of Kratom, which goes back hundreds of years. It's not scientifically proven. It's not physically addictive. Just like weed, you can become psychologically

addictive or whatever. But like, none of that shit's true, but they just put it out there and said, because of this and the potential for public harm, we're going to make it illegal. Schedule one. Schedule one. Yeah. And none of that

none of that shit is fucking true. And to me, there's no reason for them to do. that other than it's costing their, the people that suck their dicks, it's costing them money all the time. I agree with that. I think the other reason is politically, and this is what a guy like Sessions has based a lot of his career on as a prosecutor and a senator is, I'm tough on crime, I'm tough on drugs, you got to fear your kids are in danger because of all bad shit in the world

and I am the protector. And there's still a little bit of that left over. Right. But Travis mentioned earlier talking about the war on weed and talking about instead of locking nonviolent drug offenders up, it's the same. Even if it is heroin or pills or whatever, like, we don't need to be locking these people up. Right. It's not a criminal problem. It's always been a health problem. Right.

It's a health problem. It's not a fucking criminal thing. Walking these people up ain't helping fucking nobody except private prison industry who also are sucking a lot of dicks right here in Washington, D.C. they're doing very well. And anyway, yeah, now we're saying like the liberal Alex Jones is over here, except that's all true. We're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're 100% right. Liberal Alex Jones, that should be your next character. Oh, that's it. Yeah. Well, and, you know, Bernie made a lot of the same points as Gary Johnson did on the campaign trails in the primary and then the general, where it was just about, it was just about, you know, how do we have one of the highest prison populations in the entire world? Right. And then Gary broke down.

like, you know, like 2 million, two and a half million, I think. Most of them are in jail, four pot. Not just drugs, but specifically marijuana. That's the worst thing. We are destroying families. I mean, we're destroying people's lives. You can't fight a war on drugs.

Wars get fought on people. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, this is a war on people. And, of course, it's disproportionately minorities. So I think this is an issue that libertarian Republicans on the right and progressive liberals on the left can get together and try to fix

in the next four. Well, again, well, again, you'd hope so, man. With Trump, we don't know. But that just makes too much goddamn sense for that to actually happen, though. But, yeah, we, we've got like seven and a half minutes left on this interview, on this tape. So I won't. The tape's going to run out. The tape is literally going to sit.

And, yeah, I absolutely want to talk about the fact that you, uh, would you were fucking 22, 23? 23, yeah. You ran for public office for the first time. With a dreadlock, white dude with dreadlocks, ran for mayor. Which we can all agree that a white dude with dreadlocks is offensive to all races. That's true. So, like, that was not a good move. So you ran for mayor of Brooklyn and you won.

No, yeah. Oh, man, that'd be great. No, I ran for mayor of my suburb town outside of Columbus, Ohio. Bexley, and that was 2007. And, yeah, you know, it's actually a positive. Running for local office is actually a positive experience. Because I ran on a single issue. which was my neighbors were getting screwed over by the local university.

Local university wanted to expand. We're a landlocked city. So they were buying up neighbors' homes and then colluding with city hall to get them rezoned. And then they're knocking down the homes and building up dorms. So that was my issue. So you had your nice little neighborhood. Someone moved in next door and turns out who moved in next door was a sorority. Yeah.

It was literally a Seth Rogen film. Yeah. Literally my parents' house now is right next door to a dorm. Those are the new neighbors. I don't think there's any sororities there. Anyway, it's a positive experience. It's a positive experience because what ends up happening when you run for office at the local level and I want to encourage everybody listening to this podcast.

If you're a liberal redneck fan, you want to run for office. Do it in 2017. It's a local election year. I think that would be fucking great. I think if our fans write us and say, you know what, fuck it. You guys, because people come up to this shows all the time, they're like, I'm liberal in my little town and I'm scared to tell everybody. Yeah.

Stop being scared. and go fucking run for something. It would be awesome. I can 100% vouch for Travis's passion about this because, like, literally the second time being you ever hang out. I know. I was drunk and I was like, me being me and who I am, I was like, man, you know, I think I might have made a good candidate, you know, or whatever.

And immediately he was like, dude, you would have. Oh, my God. And we spent like the next 20 minutes talking about how I would be a good candidate and I should run for office. and all this shit. Travis all the time. I was like, dude, yeah, you're poking. Well, he gets me when he tells me I should or shouldn't do stuff,

and I think it's for some reason that I'm interested in. He's like, no, no, no, you should totally keep your law license. I'm like, oh, yeah, why do you think I might use it later, like for contracts or something in the business? He's like, no, no, no, to run for office later. We need you to be a lawyer. And he says like that, we need you to be a lawyer. So, no, he definitely, absolutely 100% believes this. And it's good.

It's a good thing. I think millions of millennials, especially got to step up and do it, because this is our world now. We've, you know, millennials will be the majority of the population. I think that could be a legitimate movement. I think,

like millennials running for work. That's what I want them to do. I don't know if y'all understand the current political climate, but I'm literally the most qualified person in this room to be. There you go. It has shifted, baby.

I've changed. Yeah, yeah. You said you got a master's degree? Well, one time I got girls to tattoo their initials on my ass because I lost a bet with them in beer pong. And I don't like to tell.

up for work, so fuck all you all. Yeah, I won't. Yeah, the bar is set pretty low. So even if there's audio tape, if you talk about grabbing women by the pussies, you should still run. Essentially. Yeah, well, you should, I mean, the bar is set so low. Whatever your scandalous social media past is, it doesn't matter anymore.

That's going to be your, what derails you, Corey. Yeah. It was consensual? Well, fuck this. Well, that's a piece of shit. Elaborate on, you said the local office level. It's a positive experience running for. Why do you say that?

Oh, so. more involved in the community or what? Yeah, with the local level, I mean, what ended up happening was I ran on this issue of getting more representation from my neighborhood specifically in City Hall. And although I lost, I got 201 votes. That's 200 other people besides myself. We're like, yeah, okay, I'll vote for that kid. He's got dreadlocks, but, you know, why not? And, you know, essentially, I got 5% of the vote.

And I became friends with the guy who won. So I became friends with the mayor. So every time I went back, I could go to City Hall, talk to the mayor for an hour. everyone's city council knew me he ended up putting my mom and a bunch of my neighbors on commissions like zoning commissions and things like that and then two years after that a guy down the street who had like a real job in a real house and a family and stuff he ran for city council when he wants so now all of a sudden my neighborhood's got plenty of representation and it's all because I ran in 2007 so it all worked out the kid with dreadlocks the kid with dreadlocks got 200 votes and he couldn't get three girls to sleep with him I bet with that haircut you'd be surprised Did you get the door knocking, all that shit? I went door to door, yeah. I mean, and you know. I thought he was selling something or homeless.

Yeah, right. They were looking for it. Well, one of my favorite ones was, yeah, when I had the dreadlocks and I knocked some ladies' doors, she didn't even open the screen doors. She just, I was like, I did the whole thing of, you know, and door to door is funny anyway because it's like, surprise democracy is here. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I'm trespassing.

Democracy is shoot it. Get it off my porch. I'm trespassing, but in theory is for the greater good. It could be your DJ name, Democracy. The DJ Democracy is here. And so I remember this lady, that was early on. I was still trying to get signatures, which, by the way, for anyone interested in running, all you got to do is go to your county board of elections and find out what you need to do to get on the ballot. There will be filing fees and there'll be signatures.

I'm running next year. Yeah, you should, and I will work on that campaign. I'm 100% hard on board. Oh, my God, yeah, of course. This is my new thing. Oh, my God. we'll just film this. We'll just film it.

And again, we'll make it a joke and then I'll win. And then you'll win. Well, you know, that's what happened to me. We were shooting for a documentary and we were kind of making it like it was kind of a joke at first. But eventually I got serious because I realized, you know, my neighbors actually had a lot at stake. I think that's beautiful. And I commend you. Thank you.

Everyone else should do that if you're interested in it. And you should get in, you know, it's a noble cause. And even if you lose, you know, you may impact some change anyway. All right. Travis Irvine, thank you much. We'll put all your plugs. in the intro. Absolutely, we will.

And yeah, just at the end of the day, fuck all the internet comment and shit like that. Fucking, get out there and do it, God, damn. Get off the internet. Get out there and fucking do it. That's what this guy did. Get back on the internet. Get back on the ballot.

Yeah, yeah. Get off the internet. Get on the ballot. Then get back on the internet. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Thank you, Travis. We appreciate it, buddy.

I appreciate you. You're a boy. Congratulations on everything. Thanks. Let's go shoot Reagan. Thank you all for listening to the Well Red Show. We'd love to stick. round longer but we got to go

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