wellRED podcast - #212 - The Boys Talk About Jerry Clower!

Episode Date: March 17, 2021

On this weeks episodes the boys reminisce and have a loose, fun conversation about one of the souths greatest humorists... Marcel Ledbetter's Best friend Jerry Clower!

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They're the liberal rednecks that makes some people upset, but they got three big old dicks that you can sun. The theaters are back open too, ain't they? Full fledge. In L.A., two of them are. Oh, that's a problem. Damn, if they are in L.A., then surely to God, they are here. Grant, hey, now, for the record, I have no intention of going to a goddamn theater

until, at least after May. Yeah. I do miss them, but, like, right here at the home stretch, I'm not going to be like, oh, I got to see this insert shitty movie because nothing good is coming out right now. Right. Well, on the stereo show, which we have every Friday, 1230, when Jason joined me, he was telling me that in Orange County, you can just rent out the whole theater for like $200.

Oh, yeah. The idea is like for a whole party, but him and his buddy just go by themselves. Yeah, that's not just an Orange County thing. A lot of theaters have been doing that because they just trying to do. How much was it? I think he said $200. Damn, I was with Conrad did that not long ago in Alabama,

but for $200, dude, all right, listen, but there ain't nothing coming out that's worth it, but if there happened to have been like, you know, a new Ant Man or something coming out, and I could have just spent 200 bucks to go watch it by myself. Oh my God. I'd have done the shit out of that.

That'd have been so awesome. Well, also, even if you have, like, if you got, you know, four buddies, you know, each put in $50. Yeah. That's not $50 a person to have the theater just to you and your friends. Yeah. That's not even that much more than you probably would have otherwise spent going to

the theater. Yeah, that's why it's hard to believe. I bet he meant one expensive. So like, why not? Yeah. I mean, 300 is still cheap, but I bet he met 150 apiece.

Well, either way, I'm just saying like, there have been many of times when we was just on the road and me and Trae accidentally got too high that if I was walking into a theater and they were like,

okay, that'll be 1750 or for $200, you'll just fucking go. You know, just be y'all, y'all can just be high as fuck in there. I'd be like, absolutely.

That would be hilarious. if some usher was like, you know, you slip me through the house right now. I'm like all these peasants get to fuck out of here. They all have to go. You boys seem out of sorts. I bet y'all'd like just kick back and hit, wouldn't you? Sure would. You're damn right.

Well, what would be extra funny about that happening in the moment that you walk in is no one had bought a ticket. Y'all were getting that anyway and old boy was just getting 200 bucks from you. I would have appreciated it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I'd respect the hustle. Hell, that's fine. That's okay. What are y'all most like, looking like aside from us doing shows since we're talking about the side like us doing shows is the number one seed answer to what I'm most excited about and I know that's the same for y'all too but like what's what's playing them in the championship game uh I don't even do this that much which is maybe why yeah it's higher up on the list for me

but I really I really really miss like going to a bar and watching a game yeah just like a couple of for you know a few friends of my Like the, not this past NFL playoffs, but the NFL playoffs before that, when the Titans went on their little run, you know, and beat the Patriots and the Ravens and all that. Me and Drew were meeting Mark and Tone and Brent and some other people every weekend to watch the playoff games at this bar in the Valley or whatever. And I just, I love, I love shit like that.

And I always have. So that's pretty far up there. I'm not, you know, again, I'm not even a big drinker anymore or nothing like that. But I miss like going to a bar with just like. and not a club, you know, a bar with just a small handful of buddies of mine and watching sports and eating chicken wings and that type of shit. So that's up there. Movie theaters is pretty far up there for me.

I'm not going to lie because, I mean, me and Katie and the boys, you know, love going to the theater whenever that's an option. So, I mean, and I've always loved going to the movie theater. So, I mean, that one's pretty far up there too. Those are my number. Those are the two that go back and forth. Because when you said going to a bar and watching the camera, like, yeah, that does it. I guess because I haven't really been drinking that much, so they don't even think about that.

But like, man, I fucking love going to the movie theater so much. Yeah, me too. So, and I get, I get made fun of it for it quite a bit. I guess because we live in the age of like, dude, you know, if you just wait a month, you can watch it at your house, I'm like, right, but it hits harder on this big thing, you know, here way harder. Yeah. And it's like, do you like, do anything. What about going alone? You ever do that much? All the time, it rules, right? That's one of those things that like some people are weird about, like some people act like going to the movie theater by yourself is like odd. But dude,

but dude, I've always loved going to the movie theater by myself. I like going with people too, but I love going to the theater by myself. Sometimes I like it better too. I learned a big tip from two of my friends. They were an older couple that used to come to the comedy catch all the time. Older is in,

he was in Vietnam. And they came up to surprise me in Myrtle Beach one year. And they were like, I want to take you to lunch. And we weren't going to see your show. I was like, okay, they're like, we won't go to a movie. And we were like, yeah, I was like, what do y'all want to see? And Linda was like, oh, well, I'm going to go see. And then it was some chick flick.

She's like, but y'all go see whatever. And we went and saw Taken. And they do that. Like that wasn't even just a me thing. Like they found they're like, we go, we find two that are playing at the same time. I go watch this one. He goes watching this one. And then we go eat and we discuss the other one.

She's like, because there ain't enough time left on earth for me to watch two. hours of some bullshit that I don't want to watch. And like, we're not going to be talking to each other anyways. So I like going by every time I'm like in Burbank or whatever and I'm trying to kill some time. Like I always go to the town center, you know, go to the movie. I'll sit there. I'll sit there.

I'll sit there. I'll give a shit. Yeah. Does. Hold on real quick. You said these people came and surprised you before one of your shows and each. So I presume you've never, these people have never spoken to you again.

Did they go to your show that night? It wasn't that one. For a long time fans, Corey's got a checkered past when it comes to doing comedy in Myrtle Beach to say the least. This was actually at the, this was before that club was even built. I was at the old club that the reason I can't do that club anymore is because I did the second club, when against them did the second club, then got kicked out the second club and am thus now barred from Myrtle Beach entirely. Have you ever been banned from any other comedy establishments except for the two places, in Myrtle Beach.

Are those the only two places that are banned? That's hilarious. I got banned from my home clubs, as Drew did as well. I got banned from my home club early on when I was just a little baby shit start now, but then they let me back. But like the only two places I know that I don't know if I'm permanently banned from the one, but the other one, yeah, it's not looking good. And I mean, oh, no.

Right. Yeah. It's just, that's funny. It's Raven. You would think I would have a statue in Myrtle Beach. clubs and it's the two clubs in Myrtle Beach specifically. Where you would think that I would have an honorary degree. You would crush.

Yeah, key to the city based solely on cheese jokes and stuff. Which for the record, for those, like, you would think, Myrtle Beach is like such a hard place to do comedy and regardless, because it's exclusively tourists. Right. So like, you can never know. No, I mean, I know there's a lot of tourists in New York City, but there's also like, you know, a bunch of people is from there.

So when you go to a show in New York, you have a general vibe of the crowd. like in Myrtle Beach, you can never get on the same, like it's, you might be on the same page with 20 people on this show, then 30 on this show, and then it's all completely different. Like it's just, and dude, they just think they're just screaming, they're hammered. Right. Because, because Myrtle Beach, there's an added element. It's not just any tourist. It's trash tourist. Oh, yeah.

I've been a trash tourist anytime I've ever been a tourist. Don't get it wrong. But trash tourist. Worst. And drunker than fuck, right? They're like, they're all, it's trash tourist. who are hammered. And the room was probably paper.

Comedy is just one of the things that they have done. You know what I mean? It's like they, their old lady put an itinerary together. And it's like, you know, ride can ams on the beach. Yeah.

Put, put, ate a shit load of fried shrimp, get drunk throughout all this. And then later, comedy show, there's a comedy show. And often they got the tickets for free,

which is even worse. Right, yeah. It's like, it's weird you would think if you got tickets for free, you would feel, less entitled as a audience member, but more, you know, like, they gave me this. They wanted me here.

No, they did not. But, I mean, I'm, you know, they're still allowed to go to that club. So what can I say? Yeah. I can't, uh, I mean, I've definitely been hated by some audiences and you all both have been privy to that before. But like, I've never done the not even close. I've done shows up in like Sevierville, you know, like outside of Gatlinburg and things like

that. But I've, I'm trying to think. I don't think I've ever done just a full. on like tourist trap, you know, comedy show situation like that before. But I can imagine how it was. The guy who lost, the guy, the sprinter who lost to Jesse Owens, how Hitler felt about him is how that crowd felt about me. Just like just like the worst, dude, I've never, you've never.

And fucking for the record, I felt like a good wrestling heel. I loved it. when I was leaving and getting flipped off, I was like, you're goddamn rat. At the time, because you see, I was having a nervous breakdown. So not a good thing. Yeah. Well, since we're talking about comedy, I'm sure, you know, our listening audience has been upset with us for two weeks for teasing them and they're clamoring for us to finally

discuss the subject that, again, we've broached, but only briefly for two consecutive episodes now. and that's Southern comedy legend Jerry Clower, right? Amen. So go ahead. Y'all won't y'all kick us off? Because one of the things I said about was I, of course, know who he is. I came to find out later.

I was not at all raised on him the way that you two were, I assumed because of like the churchy element or whatever. But that just, I didn't know who he was as a kid. I didn't find out until later. Like when I was like a baby comic started doing comedy and people brought him up, that's when I even found out about him. I thought. I knew who, like,

we had like Ray Stevens VHSs, you know, and stuff like that. We definitely fuck with Ray Stevens. Yeah. For sure. I knew him and of course Foxworthy and Cleetus T. Judd and all them cats. But I didn't know,

I didn't know Clower at all as a kid. So anyway. Well, I mean, I'm pretty sure my mom knew him from her time as a kid or at least a teenager. And her dad liked him. you know, he's a storyteller and all that, and she can play it in the car. I mean, my mom, I caught my mom listening to Eddie Murphy, you know, late night once when she didn't know I was awake.

But in the car, she would never listen to anything that wasn't. So I think part of it was, oh, she knew she could listen to him, and my mom loves a laugh. And I can just remember riding in the car and listening to the stories. And I think they kept me quiet because if she'd have listened to a regular stand-up, dirty or clean, I'd have lost interest in the speed of it at six and not getting the, the jokes. But at six or eight and listening to his stories, the five-minute stories, you can keep up with them,

you know, I loved it. You've been thinking about showing my own, like Jim Gaffigan or Brian Regan, you know, one of those guys, but it's kind of like we talked about Christmas vacation before. I'm scared that it won't hit for them

because I know that I'll get upset by that. For sure. Because, you know, I just, I can't, I cannot, Jim Gaffigan, maybe,

maybe, but it would be hard for me to believe that Brian Rehan. Brian Regan's one of them people that has that kind of like Robin Williams quality about him to where. He's clowny. And I mean that in a good way. Me too. Clown face and clown. Yeah.

What I was going to say is like Robin Williams, you know, we've talked about it on here. He literally made, he would go the zoo and crush at a monkey show. For monkeys. For monkeys. And I think Brian Regan could do that too. And so my point is,

Like, I think, are you cool? I think your kids could watch Brian Regan with the sound off and be like, something funny is happening right here. Yeah, I agree. That's why I've been 10. They're eight and nine. Yeah, I think they're getting there. I think about Regan versus Fallwell, Lord Clower.

I do that all the time too. In my brain, when I hear Jerry Clower, Falwell comes in, and they have a lot in common. Yeah. Anyway, the story aspect, but I think they're old. enough to get his jokes. Because, I mean, Regan really hits, I know Regan really hits for young people. He hit, for me, it was Andy's favorite comedian when I met her because her family listened to him when she was 10, 11, 12.

I do, you know, I don't know what age it is where jokes like that start making sense, but your boys are pretty advanced. I would say it a hit for them. Suggestion on the bit that their entree into Brian Regan for me would be the spelling B bit. Okay. I'm going to go with playing baseball. getting the whole snow cop. I just,

I love that spelling B. The one I was thinking of was the, the horse trailer one. Oh, that, oh my God. Just dumb old donkey. I know for a fact.

No, just dumb old donkeys. I know that will kill. That will rush them. I know for a fact. So, yeah, you know,

he's got. Well, and related, every time Clower did Marcel, Marcel Lidbetter. Marcel Lidbetter. Okay. All right, we should probably, I'm sure most people do,

but we should probably just very briefly give a sort of like overview of Jerry Clower. Like Southern comedian, more of a storyteller. He started out just as a fertilizer salesman. He would go to like fertilizer conventions and just go up there and just hit while trying to sell fertilizer. Well, he hit so hard that a guy recorded him hitting at a fertilizer convention once and then asked him, hey, can I put this out as a record? And Clowler's like, what's a record, you know, or whatever. and the guy did and it sold like 500,000 copies,

it went gold or something like that. Terrible quality. He was off to the races. I want to read a couple of quotes from his Wikipedia real quick. I sent to y'all. And look, we all know how Wikipedia works, but Jerry Clower's Wikipedia cracked me up because there's a section of it where it says,

everything up to this point is pretty normal. Jerry Clower's born in Liberty, Mississippi. He was in the Navy, yada, yada. He played college football, Mississippi State University, yada yada and then this huge paragraph starts and it says a short biography of his life and it is from this like this next nine pages long that i'm convinced some mississippi middle schooler was assigned to write for a homework assignment or something because listen to some of the quotes from this part of jerry clower's wikipedia page the short biography um so let's say here Jerry's most famous quote is you can grow as much corn on a crooked row as a straight one.

Other famous sayings of clower are, knock him out, John, about a man who climbed a tree to knock a coon out. That's true. That is true, but finds that there's actually a lynx up the tree instead. Some of Jerry's favorite things were church, comedy, and football. Jerry always used his gift for good purposes and never used to take advantage of others.

People could tell Jerry was a comedian because he made money by telling jokes. This is literally written by a child, but also at the top of the lead better. He was born to, you know, the Clower family in Liberty, Mississippi. It says the Clower family had five members, including Mother Mabel Clower, father Otha Carl Clower, but it's spelled O-T-H-A. so I read the Carl. Other Carl. And I was like, I like to think that his daddy had a brother named First Carl or regular Carl.

That's First Carl Clower. That's Other Carl Clower. And Other Carl was Jerry's dad. But anyway, but all bullshit aside, he literally was a war hero, fought in World War II. Then he played football in the FCC at Mississippi State University. And walk on, and by the way, I mean, he ended up getting a scholarship. I just mean he walked on campus and was like, hey, I'd like, to play football and they were like,

I played before, and they were like, no. And they were like, stand up. And he was so big. They were like, all right. And, you know, and I, how much of that is him? Well, that's also, that's like, well, I mean, probably a little bit, but the fact that, like, it's not contested too much. Like, they, some of that shit kind of did go on back then.

Like, you definitely wouldn't hear that now. Like, you know what I mean? Like, yeah. Well, I do feel like I love, that's one of the things that I love the most about Jerry is how often I'll be watching one of his stories and I'll wait for the punchline and it'll never come and it'll just be like, oh, he was just talking about how much he hit at football.

Yeah, that's all that is. Well, and on that note, my papa loved him and my papal had a little bit of that in him, my mom's dad, one I didn't necessarily get along with, but he was a great storyteller, not as good as Jerry, but he had that kind of bullshitter's tradition. And my favorite Clower story is related to how he got started. he had his what he was his dream job working for the 4H and they offered him a lot of money

and an opportunity to be a salesman and according to him he sucked at it was terrible at first talking about the fertilizer and what it would do for their and then he just started telling stories and just kind of being himself and sold a bunch of fertilizer almost on a whim and that sort of old bullshitter old old storyteller type ended up hitting so hard that very much feels like in the America a pretty exclusively southern thing. I may get him some trouble for saying that, but it's like maybe I just think from these other places.

You just don't hear about a guy who's so good at telling stories he makes money. That's kind of Rodney Dangerfield a little bit when he was... All right, hold on. A little bit. Since you brought it Rodney Dangerfield, I was about to say one thing... Well, hold on.

I know there was also like... Corey said he's like he's listening to Jerry Clower and he's like, all right, waiting on the punchline, but then there ain't no punch lines. So, yeah, he's just up there and telling stories or whatever. And he does tell plenty of jokes. There are plenty of punch lines,

but there's a lot of that. A lot. Wow, because, like, where comedy history is concerned, like, at least around the same era that Jerry Clower's doing it, most, like, stand-up comedy at that time

was still, like, set up punch type stuff. Like the old Milton Burrell's style. you know what I mean like that type of thing still. So I mean, I guess all I'm saying is I'm inclined to believe the sort of background, the origin story of Jerry Clower, that it really did go down that way because like that's not, that wasn't really what I'm sure. Well, Flip Wilson did.

How else would he had done it? Well, Flip Wilson did it a little bit that way and had the characters and stories. But to be clear, just to go back, just to clarify real quick, I meant made money as a salesman. Like, just people liked him so much. he was good at his job. That feels pretty old boy to me. I didn't mean as a comedian.

Obviously, you make money of the comedian just by being funny. That is very old boy, but I guess I can see there being some like Queens versions of old boys. But like, but yeah, I mean, because like,

I was going to say like, it almost had to be the way it came up because it's not like, you know, we always talk about how when we, until we saw, like as kids, until we saw Foxworthy and some of these people,

our brains were, we were just conditioned to believe, well, I mean, comedians come from New York or Los Angeles. Like that's all it could be. I didn't even think of Jerry as a comedian, I don't think. No, I don't think.

I don't think I would have either. And I think there's a lot of truth in that that like back then that kind of was the truth. Like you had to go to one of them. And so how else would he have just started hit a career in show business other than like, I mean, yeah, he was just out there hitting at the 4-H. And they were like, hey, buddy, I bet you you could. And that's why he like he doesn't have the same, obviously a. story has a beginning, a middle, and an end, but he just doesn't have any of the type of structures

that most storytelling comedians I know have. No tags, no like, he has a, he has a, like his getter done was him going, woo! But that's more of just an exclamation point to what you're already saying. So like, he kind of like, I don't know, he's inventing a new form a little bit. Yeah. I mean, you elaborate some on the danger. I know who did it. The first one that did it, you said? I'm not saying that they're the first. I mean, flip didn't he started touring i looked it up because i was curious in the 60s um on the chitlin circuit in the late 50s early 60s and then he got his break when red fox got asked by johnny carson who's the funniest comedian alive and he said flip wilson and johnny was like who's that and had him on

so i don't know you know when did the clower start do we know the exact day he started uh it was like early 70s um i mean it says by 1954 he developed a reputation for telling funny stories to boost his sales. Lord. But then the next date is not his first album, a later album that was distributed in 1971. So I guess sometime in the 60s would have been when his like first ones came out, I guess. Albums are like when he just started doing speaking engagements. Album.

Yeah, because it's the speaking engagements, it says in 1954, he had developed a reputation for hitting at speak sales. And it says tapes of. of Clower speaking engagements wound up in the hands of these record exact guys who made a better quality recording, which they promoted. And that was called the Coon Hunt. I said it went gold. It actually went platinum, apparently. But it doesn't have a date for when that came out for whatever reason. And then the next one that they do have a date for is not the third grader road. So there's like, history is almost sort of repeating itself a little bit, except for Jerry Clower was able to continue hitting. Like nowadays, we sort of see this. with because we have the internet and stuff,

we sort of see people get recognized for doing a regular thing, but really well and hilariously or something. And then boom, hey, why don't you tour comedy clubs? You know what I'm saying? Like they just get internet famous off of something. Like Trey Crowder,

for instance. You know, but I'm saying like for every Jerry Clower, there was a thousand people that would not have fucking been able to make it. You know what I'm saying? but like that's not completely I don't know that's kind of weird like he didn't go the he didn't go the traditional

way but it's impossible to say that the man was not a tremendous orator you know what I mean yeah it's so wild I mean the reason is a third grader wrote the Wikipedia page but it is weird that this Wikipedia

goes by 1954 he had a reputation and then 1971 he releases his second album so I can't tell who started it. I think the main thing, though, to take away there is, and maybe this is because of Carson and stuff and vaudeville and the, what's the thing in upstate New York? At Brat Citizens Brigade? No, the comedians would go out.

The Boersh Belt? The Boersbelt. Oh, the Boerspelt, yeah, yeah. With the Catskill. The Catskills is what I was looking for. The Borchelt, the Catskills, vaudeville, and Carson was leaning more towards five-minute, ten-minute, set-up punch type stuff. We talk slower down here. We talk slow and we tell stories, which is what I'm saying. And then Flip Wilson is the only counter example I could think of of somebody who made it. That doesn't mean they're the only one.

Well, and this isn't really this isn't the same thing because it was more like he was purposefully attempting a version of it. But I'm, I've always heard that like Mort Saul is sort of generally considered like the first dude who didn't. Yeah. He was like trying to be a comedian. Yeah. He was like the first dude. It was personal. The first big guy, big dude who didn't do that old style,

Valvilly set up punch thing and instead was up there like talking. Him and Shecky Green are supposedly like we always go back as far as Lenny Bruce, but apparently Lenny Bruce goes back to Mortsall and Shecky Green where it became. But that's, hello. I thought you were talking. I was just going to say that's that's the jump from vaudeville to like what we know as regular stand-up. But Saul wasn't telling stories, I don't think. No, their whole thing was it went from basically with your Borschbel, Cat Skills dude,

every comedian was kind of just a suit that said the same thing. And every single person could do the same jokes because they were all completely generic, evergreen, yada, yada. and then Mortisaw and Shecky Green were like, okay, well, if I make my jokes personal, then nobody can steal my shit. Like, nobody could say these jokes. And then your personality became arguably as much of importance as your material. And then you got a guy like Jerry Clower who like, I mean, epitomizes all that.

Wherein, I mean, dude, if you try to steal a Jerry Clower story, people are going to smell that shit a mile away. You know what I mean? You can't really just do that. And also probably ain't going to work unless you're about. out six foot three. Exactly. Exactly.

If Jerry Clower was just going up there with the take my wife bullshit, nobody would care. You know, I mean, it might be a unique spin on the, on the medium, but I doubt it. Joe,

will you circle back to what you were going to say about Rodney Dangerfield earlier? Oh, well, just that Drew said, it was when I misunderstood Drew, and I thought he was talking specifically about comedy, but about someone who,

you know, makes it from just hitting for people. and correct me if I'm wrong, but Rodney was selling aluminum siding. Rodney was selling aluminum siding and that was kind of his whole deal too, right? Where he was just like fucking smashing for people. Yeah, but I believe.

Comedy then quit to sell aluminum siding, but that's where he, but that's where he developed the Rodney character. You know what I'm saying? Like, when he first started doing standup, he wasn't that guy. Like he was just a straight. He was just a straight.

Borsbelt kind of guy comic. And then when he's selling aluminum siding, people kind of start being like, dude, you are way funnier than that. Just do that shit, you know. And then he takes on that persona, probably from the skills he acquired telling stories selling sheep. Yeah.

I thought you meant because we're talking about how, I understand now what you meant, but we're talking about Clower at the time and how he didn't really have punchline. He just, he told, he told stories. Oh, yeah. Dangerfield's not that at all. Right.

Yeah, Dangerfield is that kind of old. He's like one of the last huge examples of that kind of old style. And by the way, his shit, like, in my opinion, mostly holds up, which is insane for it. That's insane for, like, comedy of that era, for it to still be funny. But, dude, go watch some, like, Ronnie Dangerfield compilations. When he's on the Tonight Show? He still kills, man. He kills me, at least.

Like, his shit is still funny. He'll be on the Tonight Show. Oh, I know it is still funny. He'll be on the Tonight Show and literally fucking Ed McMahon can't. can't breathe. I mean, he's in the fucking floor choking on his cigar. But I think the reason for that is because Rodney was able to kind of combine the two things of like, okay, there's enough remnants of how comedy used to be done, you know, kind of holding on to your tie, quick setup, quick punch. However, instead of just this generic black, slicked back hair man doing it, I'm going to introduce you to Rodney Dangerfield, this not, slick, not fucking Dean Martin type. The suit doesn't fit. The ties a little too short, crumaging drunk hairs off to the side.

So he was able to bring a personality to that same style. And when you married those two things, it was like two types. Like the younger crowd had never seen the first thing and the older crowd had never seen the second thing. And both people were like, wow, what a revolutionary, even though it has the same kind of moves of what we're comfortable with.

I think that's why that shit holds up because there's still personality to it. yeah yeah no absolutely i agree uh did you know he also in addition to bill cosby he also told eddie murphy that he needed that he rodney dangerfield told eddie murphy that eddie murphy needed to clean his shit up or a piece of shit it wasn't ever going to work but he but edie murphy said years like unlike i believe unlike bill cosby i i don't i'm not 100% sure on that but years later Eddie Murphy ran it because Dangerfield told him that before Eddie Murphy like blew up blew up yeah you know like right before by the way honestly probably sound advice

it's just that it happened to be Eddie Murphy and it's basically him being like you know like yeah kid you got talent you know but you got to you got to clean all that up we're going to do that at who's going to come you know that type of thing and then Eddie Murphy saw him after exploding a few years later randomly they were in the same bathroom in the same casino in Vegas. Eddie Murphy's like pissing. Yeah, probably doing Coke, whatever. And Dangerfield walks in there. Or actually, Dangerfield's in there already and Eddie Murphy walks in there. And Eddie Murphy hasn't said anything to him. And

Dangerfield's like zipping up. He looks at him and goes, who no? He just walked out. And that's all he said. He just said that and walked out. That's fucking tremendous. That's one of my, that's one of my favorite bits in that Eddie Murphy's special. I guess, think Raw when he's talking about what Richard Pryor said to him when Bill Cosby said that. He's like, the people laugh at the shit you say? He goes, yeah, he goes,

well, tell Bill Cosby to have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck up. God, that's fucking tremendous. But yeah, man, Clower, I remember when I was a kid, like, I, he was so like, my mom and dad talked about him all the time with my grandmother and my grandfather. And he was always, it's like, oh, y'all should listen to this. Y'all should listen this. Therefore, I didn't, like, want to. Like, I didn't want to listen to Jerry Clower because I wanted to listen to the dirty shit that they didn't want to let me to. But then I started doing comedy at the catching. Like, you know, when I started, it was very different than when y'all,

when y'all started at sideswitters. Y'all, I feel, I mean, I'm wrong, but like, I feel like y'all had a bunch of people close to y'all's age that were doing stand-up in Knoxville. We did. Whereas in Chattanooga, it was like mainly me and a bunch of 50-year-olds. Well, I feel like, you know, people say that we're in the new comedy boom right now. Yeah. I feel like, I don't know when comedy historian.

would say that started, but at least when it got to Knoxville, Tennessee, I feel like me and Drew kind of started around the time that this new comedy boom started. Because talking to people that had been around for a little bit when we started, right before the time period where we started in Knoxville, there was, it was very hard to get on stage. There was like one open mic, it was God awful. It was, you know, once or twice a month, maybe. There was a handful of comedians, you know, but then right after we started, dude, by the time, we'd been doing it like, months or so, you could get on stage almost every single night of the week in Knoxville, Tennessee, which is pretty crazy. And there was a group of probably at least 50 of us or more

who had, you know, all started doing comedy and shit, you know, most of which did not hit, of course. But, you know, but like there, yeah, it was like a scene, a real scene for sure. But you could tell by talking to some of the older timers that it weren't that way for a really long time. because after the comedy boom in the 80s, comedy sort of nearly died and struggled across the board for a long time. And you started towards the end of that era. Yeah. And it was just a bunch of old fucking dudes who hit, by the way, but like old Southern guys. And then I hear this name brought up a lot more, Jerry Clare, Jerry Clare.

And I'm like, wait, you mean the fucking like, because in my mind, he was like a funny preacher. Like, that's how like it, my brain interpreted. at him because like at the church everybody oh jerry clowr you can listen to jerry clower and if you see if you look at this motherfucker on stage he very much carries himself like a televangelist does you know what i mean and he ends with an altar call oftentimes yeah man and then also every you know we's talking about how sometimes he just randomly would talk about how he hit at football every now and then he just be he'll tell a story and then just be like you children need to get off them drugs and turn your life to Jesus.

You're like, damn, pick a lane. And he'll be like, and play football. That'll help. Play football. Yeah,

play football. But like, um, my point is like, I was a kid. I was like this guy, you know, what a,

fuck that. Like no real comic would like him. And then I hear like, cousin Ricky and Big, big Ed for a long time. I need to text him about this. He was telling me, he was like,

man, I'm telling you one day I think I might retire. And you know what I'm going to do after a time. I'm going to start doing a, uh, uh, I'm going to be the first cover. cover comedian. I'm going to do a damn

Jerry Clower impression show. And I was like, I yeah, like Mark Twain. Yeah, right. That's kind of what his idea was. And I was like, I need to look back. And I started watching some Jerry Clower. And I was like, God, I would kill to see Big Ed do this. This would be amazing. But yeah, he's very, like,

he's very much a top guy around here in terms of like, you know, storytelling and how it's supposed to be done. I mean, dude, if you did y'all ever watch Wade, like, do stand up? No. I've never seen him on stage. I've met Wade. I've seen Wade in person and that's, you know,

enough experience. Yeah, enough. Yeah, I've never seen him on stage, though. You've told me plenty of stories, but please go on. Well, I mean, I was just,

just going to say, like, you could definitely see the Jared Clower influence. In Wade. I mean, I know that you don't know what you're talking about. Not his material.

I know. It's so funny to think of who they are. Right. Because of who those two dudes are. Because we've talked about Wade on the show before, but just a reminder, he's a lunatic in Corey's neck of the woods and just wilder than hell. And it's funny to think that his biggest influence is Jerry Clower.

He was in Myrtle Beach. But yeah, you can just take. I think he looks. I think Wade kind of looks like him a little bit. Well, that old and round faced. Yeah, drunk face. Beat to shit. Sorry, Wade.

If you're listening. Sorry, Jerry, rest in peace. when Wade he looks a lot like Wade's daddy really when Wade used to have his hair short but but yeah man he's a he he's a quite a large deal around here and I still like I watch it now and I definitely he's captivating but as a comedian like he does leave a little bit to be desired on the like the punchline

part of it. Jerry or Wade? Oh fucking clower. Wade well I would say he never leaves anything to be desired. I would say Jerry though would Jerry have ever even called himself a stand-up? At some point he probably did. But like when it started out, this dude was telling stories.

And somebody said, we- Oh, I ain't mad at him. And I just don't, I think he was a storyteller, you know. And for me, that got into me early. But when it comes to stand-up, I didn't connect him to that for a long time, for a real long time. And then mom was talking about him one day. And I was like, damn, I guess that was the first comedian, quote-unquote,

that I listened to with you. because, but you understand what I'm saying when I'm 13, or like I probably first heard Jerry Clower at like eight. But when I'm starting to like get really in the standup, I just didn't think of that as standup for the reason you're pointing out, Corey. Yeah, not as many punchlines.

Well, okay, but on that note though, we've touched on this sort of before. Like, that's why I was saying earlier about how Dangerfield is wild to me because of how funny he still is in my opinion. He's not the only one. I still think Richard Pryor is very funny too, his like old shit and everything. but like so much really old comedy.

It does. Like it's not just that it age poorly. It's that too. But and I've said this before, but it's so wild to me. There's plenty of times where like, I'm a student of the game. And even can't see how it hit.

And I can't. There's plenty of times where I'm like, I don't, I literally don't understand how that was supposed to be a joke. Even then. Like, I don't get what that. was even supposed to be that they just did.

But people will have laughed at it in the crowd or whatever. And it's like it's not like it's a punchline. It's out of date and it's not funny anymore. Sometimes I'm like, I can't even tell what they're doing. I think with Clower you do, right? Because he's just telling a story. Right. I think with back.

I'm asking. Do you feel like about Clower, Trey? Yeah, I did. I did. But I kind of get it with him, I think. I think with Clower and with those people back then, like, I think that. it like in the 60s and 70s, like comedy was,

I mean, dude, as far as art goes, still right now comedy's real young, stand up comedy, you know, but like then it was a fucking baby. And I really think that like the audience

was learning at the same speed as the performer on like what this whole thing even is. And I genuinely think sometimes with certain names, they were just conditioned to if he stops talking, that was the funny part. And with so many of those dudes back then, especially with like a, like a Carlin and prior, you've also been conditioned like these are the fucking, these are the divinches of our time. These are the high thinkers.

These are the soccer. Like, so you laugh just because you didn't want to feel like an asshole. Did you know that's why. And so clearly, Trey has listened to an Eddie Murphy interview recently. Did you know that's why Eddie Murphy quit or the reason he gives for quitting? Because he said that he said that he felt like every, that they just laughed because they laughed to whatever. Yes, but he gave a specific story. I think it was the last time he ever did stand up.

maybe it was like that was the night he decided and he still had a couple more shows and he did those and then he quit. I don't know. But like the last, he told his specific story. I'm pretty sure he was at the comedy store, I think, in LA is what he said. And he said he went up there and he hadn't said nothing at all. And people were already laughing. And in his head, he was like, what the fuck? I ain't even told a joke yet. So he said, according to him, he continued to not say anything. And people kept laughing. And he said, like, once you. or twice he was like not like sincerely you know was like what are y'all laughing at or you know what are y'all like no seriously what are y'all motherfuckers laughing at right now and they would just die they would just lose it you know and he claims that he was up there for like it was like a 10 minute showcase set and he said he was up there for 10 minutes and barely spoke a word let alone a punchline my crushed the whole time and he said he came down and he said he came down and he said he came down And he was like, okay, I don't, I don't know why I'm doing this shit anymore because like it, how am I ever supposed to know ever again? What I'm funny.

What I'm doing or whether it's funny or not or whatever. So, and that's why, according to him, that's why he quit. Well, Norm said that's what made him the best. Norm said that he was the best because he didn't need it. Because my reaction to that would have been like, I guess I'm hitting on a different level, boys. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'd have been like, what's what made him so great was that he didn't need those last. so he thought that was bad, I guess.

Well, Steve Martin, I think, had a similar experience where he quit because one time he, like, went out and, like, just pulled out the arrow thing that was going to go on his head. And just by pulling it out, like, it got a standing ovation. And he was like, I did. All right. Just do new jokes, boys. Right. No, I hear you on that front. Because, like, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't.

That's his whole thing, though. That's his whole thing. He was probably about to do new jokes, but he's like, what's the point in trying these new jokes? I'm going to have no way of knowing. Knowing, right. You know, Robin Williams. Whether they are actually any fucking good or not. Robin Williams used Leno.

No matter what. Robin Williams always used Leno and he's because he said Leno would be honest with him. Like when he was at the height of Morgan, Indy, he said he would go out and he's like, he's like, dude, I could just stand on my head for 30 minutes of people die. And he said, so he'd go out there and then he'd come back and Leno would be sitting there eating a fucking Cuban sandwich or something. And he's like, all right, what about the first one? He's like, that was pretty good.

He's like, that was just because you're Robin Williams. You know, that one doesn't really that fucking good. Chappelle had a very different version of that, which is, I don't know why they're laughing if it's for the reason I want them to or not. Yeah. Yeah. I think on a lesser, on a lesser scale, I know that we all three individually have kind of experienced that one just with the 100% with the genre in which, you know,

the genre bending trailblazers. in which we are. And like, there's times when, uh, that I've been in like, we'll just say San Francisco because it was, um,

that I've just been like, I'll tell a joke and it got a huge laugh and I realized that I didn't want it to. And I'm like, oh, fuck y'all. I mean, when that's on me too, by the way,

I still told it. But like they, like I was looking out and I'm like, you're laughing, but I'm like a bat. I'm like a sonar bat when it comes to laughs. I can tell the type of laugh this is. And it's not the fucking.

one that I wanted and this is pissing me off. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I changed the joke. I mean, I have because of that. I remember one specifically. It was, so I'm at the county fair. Do you guys know what the county fair is? It's what we have in the South instead of museums.

Before that, it was what we have in the South instead of culture. And I changed it because of the way people were laughing, let's just say, San Francisco, because that's where it was. And I stuck with museums because I was like, that allowed me to talk about how we still didn't have like a national slavery museum. And it was like, well, we deserve that. San Francisco, you're allowed to laugh at us for not having that museum. But you're not going to laugh at me for not having a fucking culture.

I will fight all of you over you laughing at my joke. So that was, you know, that was on me. Yeah. Oh, I mean, look, at the end of the day, whatever it was for me was also on me, being a lunatic. Yeah, I mean, that's why Dave quit. I think Dave, I mean, I'm not defending in order saying it was heroic. I think he just was like, well, I told these jokes. I should have known that even if cool.

people laughed at the black white supremacists. Racists were also going to laugh at the black white supremacist. I just, I just realized maybe hypocritically that I, part of me is like, oh, well, Jerry like, yeah, he's a stand-up comedian, but like, he didn't really, he didn't really do it the regular way that you were supposed to back then. So like, and I'm just sitting here, I'm like, who else are you describing, Corey? You know, yourself, all three of you. all. So I think they're, I think they're definitely, that's a, that's a good lesson of like how that stink can be on people. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, but okay. And I don't know, but I think, I feel like he started like so early and everything. Like when he first,

I started hitting and stuff, they, they still didn't even have comedy clubs or anything. You know what I mean? And he came from Mississippi. I really doubt that I'm sure that there were plenty of, like, other comedians of his generation who didn't fuck with Clower at all. But I bet it was more. just everything else about him. I doubt that they cared that much about the origin story. Because, like, dude, back in the day, you were saying, like, doing it the right way or whatever, that book hadn't even been written yet. I mean, there was, like, vaudeville and that type of shit.

You know what I mean? But, like, it wasn't, again, there weren't even comedy clubs yet. So, like, I feel like it wasn't the same degree of that sort of. I agree completely. I wouldn't give him shit for that, but I wouldn't give you, me or Trey that either. Tray broke on the internet but in the middle of breaking on the internet you know

I was living in New York you guys were open I mean didn't y'all just do a show for eight people like the week before oh no no the thing is I don't I don't believe I believe everything I've done is great I'm saying like I see why people

see that about me yeah well that's just yeah that's just how they come to know about you yeah man that's gone away I mean it has to I think so too yeah oh it's now like I feel like I'm one of the last people to start at the end of the comedy depression and is now just made it during the internet.

Like I've seen, I've had a toe dipped in both waters. So like, you know, yeah, I'm never worried about that. Like if somebody would be like, so Corey,

uh, you started your career on YouTube. I'd be able to go like, well, back, you know, pump the fucking breaks. I started comedy under George W.

Bush. Um, but I'm just saying like I can, I get it. Like I would, I'm just admitting to a prejudice of Jerry Clower that I didn't realize I harbored until just now. Right. Well, in terms of right now, I think it's kind of the opposite where, in my opinion, and maybe this is just like an excuse or whatever, but like I don't like internet comedy that much.

Like there's parts I've figured out to do for me that I like, but like I think it's almost the reverse. And maybe it's because the pandemic clubs ain't open. But now I almost think like being funny on the internet is more important than whether or not you can do stand. And I mean even to comedians. Like, even comedians will be like, yeah, you don't have any followers. And I'm like, five years ago, if somebody came in with a bunch of followers, you'd be like, let's see if they got, they can do five. I bet they can't do five.

That's 100% true. And now somebody will murder and they'll go, yeah, but look, he's got 8,000 followers. Me and one of y'all had this discussion maybe on the stereo shows, didn't we? We were talking about how it's like. Yeah, I mean, you got into that being. It's like a full on paradigm shift. Yeah. In the past like five years in the comedy world.

where that's, so I feel like that stigma that we were talking about about internet comedy or internet comedians, I'm sure among some of the old timers and whatnot is still there, but like the younger comedians or comedians coming up, I feel like that don't even exist at all anymore because at this point, it's just accepted as being like part of the game. And that's why you just have to do it. That's why I feel so good having dipped a toe in both waters because I feel like I can be like, yeah, I've got 192,000 followers and also follow that motherfucker. I started doing comedy in 2004.

So like, yeah, I feel you, but like, it has been a complete, a complete shift. But like, you know, at the end of the day, your jokes can be great, but you got to put them, put the butts in the seats. So, you know, I'm glad we can do that shit because I was, you know, I don't know about y'all, but I got very tired of murdering for 10 people and then having to win a, a, a scratch off to get gas on the way home. But I definitely told people I was real. For me, it was not murdering for eight people because seven of them were from Holland. Right.

Yeah, New York's fun. Before we do get out of here, I wanted to mention this tidbit about Jerry Clower that I discovered the other day just because I feel like when you look at Jerry Clower, when you hear Jerry Clower, when you just his whole get up, we talked about, you know, God and football and blah, blah, blah, blah. I came across the... It's so good. So all that.

I came across an interview that he did. It's in the Mississippi, like, congressional library or some shit. Like, they've archived all these things. And there was a huge, like, broken into three-minute episodes on Jerry Clower that I suggest people go check out. It was an interview that he did. And one of them that attracted me was, you know, Jerry Clower on the civil rights movement. because I was like, oh, boy, you know, here we go. And it was basically him in this interview, like in the 70s,

talking about how his brother was super prejudiced. And then he went over to Vietnam and a black guy like stepped in front of a fucking bullet for him or some shit and like lived and like that changed his life. And Jerry's life had already been changed by playing football. And then Jerry Clower sortly just went in on. on the racists of the day. And this is like in the 70s, he's doing this interview.

And that was very interesting to me because I know a lot of Southern comedians from the 90s nowadays, like back in the day, like they would have even in the 90s, like of course they were decent guys, but they would have never given their opinion because they didn't want to alienate the crowd. And I know a lot of people are like,

well, if you're only, if you're alienating the racist, then who gives a shit? I hear you. We do that all the time. But like, we're just like, I'd just rather not,

especially back in those days and a, I found that to be a really cool revelation about Jerry Clower because frankly, I think that I, because he was so big in my church and because he was so big with like, you know how sometimes it is with Clean Comics, I really thought this is going to go one way. But that really hit for me to find out that he was like, hey, y'all, we're going to eat pie at the same place.

Y'all and kiss my goddamn ass. That hit for me. That really hits for me too. And I don't want to at all take away from Jerry doing that in that time. No, I'm not going to say anything bad. I thought you had a better story to follow up with. No, not at all. I was just going to say, I do feel like what happens there.

Jerry was big enough that he could take any hits from somebody being like, fuck you, I'm going to be prejudiced. Right. I think this slight difference of don't be prejudice versus the thing you're doing is wrong. And I think that's when people get their feathers ruffled. I just feel like over time we've learned in America that if you go, we shouldn't be prejudiced and we shouldn't be. racist, everyone goes, yep.

But if you go, this thing you like is racist, don't do it. Then people go, you know who's full shit, Jerry Clower. Well, right, right. That's accurate. But like, I feel like the reason that that can't work sometimes is because no, I don't know

if you know this, straw poll taken yesterday, no one thinks they're racist. Right, that's what I'm saying. So like, that's why people didn't get mad. Yeah, right. But like, so like it's not enough, you know, them to be like, because that's funny that you say that because I've actually, like,

I've put up videos before like where I didn't say the word Republican. I didn't even say a candidate's name. I just like went in on racist, dipshit assholes. And people would comment like, fucky man, you're an idiot. And I'm like,

all I said was I don't like racist dipshit assholes. If that struck a nerve with you, then, you know, I got to tell you, I think you're a racist dipshit asshole. But like, yeah, man,

it's the weirdest thing. Like, you ask anybody, they're not racist. But like somebody's in the picture with them dogs. Yeah, they didn't die. That documentary was in color. Right. I know.

So I'm saying, like my daddy was alive. They're still, yeah. They both. When I was screaming that little girl, he ain't dead. And it's a heart attack killed him because he got so mad. Speaking a heart attack, that is, of course, how Jerry left this world at age 70, at age 71. I mean, how was that guy not going to die of a fucking heart attack?

It was cholesterol or like a secret, you know, thing we didn't know about, like Coke or whatever. I'm not saying Jerry Clowers on Coke. We'd be treating him like the mom's in the poppy. Yeah, I just remember before I tell this story, I want to preface it with a disclaimer of we in no way even for a second believed this. And it certainly is not true. but that just made a random memory pop into my head. And I'm not going to name the guy's name anyway, but we met a dude once early on on the tour.

And we're in like the green room with him, not a comic, a different guy. And he told us a story completely stone face. Completely stone face, acted totally serious. He told the three of us that he met Jeff Foxworthy at a car dealership in Georgia. And Jeff Foxworthy was strung out on heroin. smacked out of his mind. Jeff Foxworthy smacked out of his mind.

And we were all like, what, what? Like actual heroin. He was like, oh, dude, Foxworthy's real bad on heroin. By the way, Jeff, Jeff Foxworthy is on heroin. He said it to us like we were idiots. Like we're the last ones to know. He was like, what? Yeah.

Everybody knows it. Yeah. Everybody around here knows Foxworthy, dude. On the horse and not the type you'd think. my new theory on that or I don't think I've said this before maybe we did back then maybe this ain't new at all I think a crackhead that he met at a car dealership was like my name Jeff Foxworthy yeah I mean and he was just like okay here's the deal what you just said is 1,000% more likely to be true than what yeah the the fucking the national golden correct

spokesman being smacked out of his mind at all hours of the day. He's just fucking hanging out at Atlanta car dealership. Like, whoop, I'm Jeff Foxworthy. Y'all got any smack, bro? Of course, it's probably was just, yeah. Putting the golden corral money in his arm is a fate that will at least befall one Southern comedian I know, but not Jeff Foxworthy. That'll be the day that I die.

Oh, boy. well that was fun yeah yeah that's about it all right that's about it that's about it thank you all for listening to this here show download subscribe tell all your friends give us a five-star review if you think we deserved it shout out to the well-read nation Drew you got something buddy

my nephew wanted me to request you if you're capable of it to bring the intro song back okay what was that said we're the Did I put it on every episode? Oh, buddy, listen, he's 16. My bad. I must know. I don't be listening that much.

No, no, no. I bet you what it is, is that he just hasn't listened to any recent episodes. Okay. It's for the past. Now, I may have missed it like a week or two, but like for the past, I've, here's how I, let me tell you how I know, because I've been putting it up at the beginning and leaving at the end because we've had some people in the comments on Tray's YouTube, not our, well, not our podcast, but on Tray's YouTube, who a goodly portion of those people

may not know that Trey had a podcast and they just found him out through one of the various think tanks that he participated in and they'll come and like I'll put the episode up and it'll be have been up for three minutes so the only thing they could have heard was this and they were like I'm not listening to this Phil this is crash they're like are you serious

then some of them are like you guys are making such a difference in the world and then you've got to then you got to sully your good name by talking about getting butt-fucked with cornbread and blah and it hits for me so hard that I was like, well, this is here to stay. I'm never not putting it on there.

On that note, we should put it up with just like a couple of pictures of us, like a slideshow. It should be released as a, yeah, it should be released as a single. Yeah, put this one on Spotify.

Yeah, we need, our buddy John Ferguson cut the, we'll give Papal Johnson royalties. Yeah, he, well, he took some,

yeah, okay, we'll figure it out, but we do need to do like a read. When we, listen, when we, all get back together. This pandemic has been difficult. I kind of want, like when we do our first show,

I kind of want to hire like a mini crew just to be there at the airport with cell phones when we all three meet for the first time and hug and then are like, ah, that was enough. Let's go back home. But I think that we need to do a completely remastered cornbread and butt sex, which I believe is the title. Yeah, I shouldn't have said that about, I was just kidding. I mean, it's a cover song. right that John did yeah yeah he don't get no goddamn royalties I know yeah I mean look we'll hook him up with a hat big ass head motherfucker but yeah I think I think we're I think look man I think gypsy speedboat

needs to finally drop at least a single when we all get back together I remember that what hit it's so funny that we're like the fantasy of working sounds so cool right now and as soon as this is over and we get back together. We're like, we ain't going to really do that shit, are we? Like, I know. Let's go to a movie theater and get fucking high. Yeah. Skew. You.

Skew. Skew. Skew. They're the. They like cornbread necks. They like cornbread, but sex, they care way too much, but don't give a fun. They're the liberal rednecks that makes some people upset, but they got three big old

dicks that you can suck. Thank you.