wellRED podcast - #27 - Transphobia Sucks and We Have Shitty Teeth!! + Ian Harvie and Jaye McBride!

Episode Date: August 9, 2017

For the first portion of this Podcast we sit down in Corey's hotel room in Pasadena to discuss Trae's redemption from a blackout drunk experience in Mexico, and how shitty all our teeth are followed by Drew telling one of the most riveting stories ever about his brief experience as an amateur dentist. After all that lunacy, we are joined by Ian Harvie (From Transparent) and Jaye McBride to discuss Trump's Transgender ban in the military. Both Ian and Jaye are transgender, so we were able to get an extremely important side of the story and perspective on the issue. Ian Harvie is an American stand-up comedian and actor who often references being a trans man in his performances. He is best known for his appearance on the television show Transparent. In 2017, transgender actors and actresses including Harvie (with the help of GLAAD and ScreenCrush) were part of a filmed letter to Hollywood written by Jen Richards, asking for more and improved roles for transgender people. His latest special "May The Best Cock Win" can be found on SeesoFor More go to ianharvie.com !! Jaye McBride is a trans comedian from upstate New York currently living in LA. She has worked with comedians such as Jim Norton and Aziz Ansari. Hey gang...THIS FRIDAY ALL OF OUR DATES WILL BE UP ON OUR WEBSITE wellREDcomedy.com Our new tour wellRED: From Dixie With Love is coming to a city near you! Sign up for the newsletter and buy our book... love you guys!  

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Hey. Welcome back. Thanks for joining us. We are, as we record this, we're in Corey's hotel room in Pasadena, California. The boys are in town for Politicon, and it's drawing to its clothes, and it's been a good weekend. But you know all about that, because you listen. last week because you're a loyal subscriber and ardent fan of ours, and we love and appreciate you for that.

This week, this week we have what I thought was very funny and also just very engaging and enlightening conversation with two transgender comedians, Ian Harvey and Jay McBride. And we'll have more on them later, but stick around for that. We obviously talk about the Trump transgender military. band shit and that actually we had already asked them to come on the show before that even happened but obviously since that happened you know we weren't going to not talk about it so we go in a detail on that and just transphobia in general and a lot of other things too so we think y'all dig it but first we're going to talk about some other shit that's been going on um one thing that evidently has

been going on and when i read this i tweeted i was going to talk about it on the podcast so that's what I'm doing. In Mexico, they are, I don't know, either drugging or some way fucking with tourists through the alcohol. Yeah, I've been trying to figure out the motive. Now, obviously, you need to get through the whole explanation of what's happening. But then let's really talk about why the fuck this is happening, because I don't, I can't figure it out.

Well, I'll tell you what I, okay, so first of all, I, on a very early episode of this podcast back before we knew what the fuck we were doing and the quality of the, There was a lot of quality issues and shit. I think it was literally two. I think it was episode two, and it was just me by myself talking also. So you'd be forgiven if you skip through that or, you know, for whatever reason. But I did talk about this, but so just to go over it again, anytime it's ever come up and reminded me of it,

I've told this story for years now ever since it happened. And about seven or so years ago before I had kids or anything, like that. Me and my wife were together but weren't married at the time. We took a cruise to Mexico, not Cozumel. Plyde-Del Carmen and another Mexican city. Maybe it was Cozumel. But in Plied Del Carmen, we went to this little canteena, and they had...

That's a bar. Yeah, they had specialty margaritas. Margaritas were on special, and I swear to God, it was like $2 for a margarita or something. And the margaritas were in a... Kool-aid pitcher. For context, how much was beer? Wait, it was a whole pitcher for $2? No, no, no.

I'm saying they had the batch. Like, the margaritas were just back there in this big-ass plastic pitcher, and you ordered one. They put ice in a cup and then just dumped it on there. And me and my wife were just like, hell yeah, $2. That hits, whatever. And I'm a seasoned and experienced degenerate sot. I'm a drinker, especially then.

even more than way more than now i was in my early 20s i just got out of college i was a drinking ass motherfucker and i had two of those special margaritas my wife had i think one we were in there with some other people they were on the same cruise ship as us and this one group is these three frat boys from mississippi state me and then we're talking about cc football they also were drinking those margaritas the other the rest of the people with us were all drinking bottled beer you know, fucking Budwisers or whatever. They were open in front of them. After we left, me and my wife, and we come to find out later,

also those three frat boys were completely totally fucking blackout, dead to the world, literally had to be carried back onto the cruise ship because we could not walk. That's how fucked up we were. And I was like, somebody switched the cups, like right now. This is what that feels like. inconceivable like that in Prince's province. And I woke up thinking what the fuck happened. And as I pieced it back together, almost immediately, because again, I'm a seasoned

drinker and I knew I'd had fucking two of them, almost immediately I was like, that, there was something. There had to be something about that. There's no other explanation. And the people we were with, which was my wife's sister and a friend of hers and their husbands, were very clearly like, no. Okay, yeah, sure. You guys got to hammered. Matter of fact, my sister-in-law's friend that was on there, she came to a recent show of ours in, I think in Maryland, I believe. And she came up to me and she's like, hey, you remember me? And I did. And she goes, you remember this picture? She pulls out a picture. I've never seen before. And it's of her and her husband holding me up on the dock in Mexico. And my head is literally like straight down to the ground like this. And I said, does it look like I remember that picture? No shit.

But, you know, but, like, she was, like, laughing about it because, again, they just thought me and Katie just got hammered in the middle of the day, which I mean, you know, I ain't above that. I've done it. Of course. Not off two margaritas. And so ever since then. And you didn't even lie about it. Right. I mean, yeah, that's the thing.

Like, you know, I get drunk. I'm fucking blacked out. I'll tell you. Shit, yeah. I didn't have. And, but the whole time. And I've told people always like, I got, we got drugged in Mexico. I know we did.

I know we did. And usually people are like skeptical when I tell you. the story a lot of times. And then earlier this week, there was this headline that made news, like, that, you know, was like trending on Google and Facebook and everything. It, you know, was, it got a lot of attention initially. And then all the Trump shit totally, you know, just fucking covered that up. But this tourist, this American tourist lady in Pliadale Carmen, the same city we were in,

died from fucking what they, the report said, tainted alcohol. But they don't know what it was tainted. Yeah, evidently. But it said, and apparently there have been all these other reports of other American tourists and in around the same area fucking just getting blacked out, not knowing what the fuck's happening to them. And I saw it. And I saw it.

Okay, right. So you said earlier, what's the motive, right? And so when it had just happened to us and I would think about it and I tell the story, whatever, all these years, I just assumed that they're gambling. was there was some little street urchin outside of there or whatever that would kind of tell somebody when you left and then when you fucking fall over in the street they come up and rob you take all your shit or whatever that's what i assumed it was it was like a robbery thing or you know hell who knows fucking a uh you know butthole or a kidney thing who but but i figured they're robbing

hell the way to get a kidney but yeah right there well i mean that's how that urban legend goes i meant through the butthole right you know i'm either pork in the butthole or cutting the kidney out. I know people wake up in a bathtub for the ice, which I always thought was pretty nice of those people to do. Yeah, that's actually a pretty good point. If you don't rip a fucking kidney out, somebody's back. Who gives a fucking, yeah, why are you putting this ice in there and helping their ass?

That was a total myth anyway. Well, yeah, but I mean, now that he mentions it, it is kind of like. Yeah, it's kind of a hole in the stories. You should want them to die. I always thought it was like to preserve the kidney, even though it was, you know, made up. No, they made left with the kidney. No, this is part of that. Anyway, I just always assumed it was a robbery thing.

That's what I thought. Is there a buck? But, well, I mean, so when I first saw this story, I immediately sent it to y'all. It was like, I fucking, I knew it. I've been saying it. I've been saying it for 10 damn years. Ain't I been saying it? I've been saying it.

That's Randy Quaid in Independence Day. But anyway. There's nothing better than being right. And it's even sweeter somehow when it's a decade later. I almost immediately felt bad, though, because I, I was like, a woman has died. And my immediate reaction was like, fucking yes, I knew it.

But I did feel vindicated. I was like, this is, I knew this was a thing. But here's where the buck comes. According to that story or whatever. God, I wish I had to fart right now. Here's where the buck comes. Enjoy this interview with Ian Harvey. According to that, it wasn't any kind of robbery thing or nothing.

It was just, getting people like a cost cutting thing like cutting like you know how like drug dealers will cut fucking crack with you know bacon soda or whatever like that

it wasn't alcohol like that but with alcohol so it was like pure something else was in it that wasn't alcohol I mean again it was like pure grain alcohol instead of why would that be cheaper dude okay no it's true and also wouldn't they rather you buy six

Yes. That's what, so. Makes no goddamn sense. That's what I told Katie. I was like, I was like, that doesn't make any sense, though, because bars. Don't smoke the weed. They're going to put, they're going to lace it with PCP. Right.

What kind of kick-ass drug deal is just giving his PCP away for free? Bars, bars famously watered down cocktails because that's what makes business sense. Maybe they cut it with something else. I know, right. That's what I'm, well, I mean, again, that's what I think. And I'm, because like I said, I've been drunk as fuck. I've drunk, I've drunk Everclear. You know what I mean?

It ain't like I ain't never been ever clear drunk. I have. Moonshine drunk, all this. This was different. This was different than any drunk I've ever had. The lady dine makes me think they're putting something that ain't out of all in it. But again, though, motivation, I don't know, because I'm with you. I don't think the cost-cutting thing.

I don't think that makes sense. How much is bleached? I mean, didn't. And I was, so we didn't get robbed, but I was always like, yeah, that's only because we had our other people with us who weren't fucked up. If me and you'd been alone, we'd have been a fucking bathtub eyes. Who knows? Ever see them frat boys again? Yeah.

So, yes, I found out later that this very nice black family from Alabama that we'd gotten to know in the Cassini, right? Hell yeah. They helped carry us back on the boat. I saw them the next day. And the guy, the dad was like, man, y'all was in rough shape, you know. And I told him the thing. And then he told me that they also helped those frat boys on. or whatever, and that the same exact thing had happened to them.

But you mean, did I see them later on in the trip? No, I didn't. But I'm saying, I know they worked out the... Mississippi State Frat Boys onto the boat? That black family was very sweet. They were very sweet people. Yeah. But anyway...

The Toxology report not come back on this woman? Is they not... I mean, is that not part of this? I don't know. I'd have to look back into it. I mean, again, I saw the one story that went like kind of viral and I was like, yeah, I fucking knew it. And in that, it said they were tainting the alcohol as like some, like I said, like a cost-cutting measure or whatever.

But again, I immediately was like, no, God, that's what I said too. I was like, that doesn't make any sense. We talk about the entomology of the word taint. Yeah. Do you think that it came first to spoil things or like, you know, that part between your. Well, first of all, that's. Taint a butt hole, taint a pussy. Yeah, taint you ass, taint your balls.

Right. I always thought that's literally what that is what that is. Well, because the actual word is like perennium or something. It's not taint. So I always thought that slang made the word. The real word ain't chode? The real word is, I think, perennium or something like that. I always thought the real word was chode and that just happened to be funny.

Well, the real word is penis, but Dick's been around the long time. Yeah, but I'm saying I thought that like slang term for it, taint, I always, thought it literally came from taint your ass, taint your balls. I hope it is. I'm now sitting here feeling kind of stupid about that. No, I think I feel stupid. I think you're right.

No, and hell, dude, I thought it was chode and that chode just then became something funny. You called some dude, like, he fucking chode, so then we called it something else. Kind of like, and I'm going to get shit for this, but dude, retard used to be the real word or retarded. You know, and actually, that's been a steady progression of those words.

Apparently, like it, like, medical terminology. Yeah. I don't know if it was on here. But anyway, there's a word and then we make it funny and they go, God damn it, we got to call this we can't call it gonad anymore. Idiot moron fuck I think Nimrod

and like, no, imbecile. Idiot moron, imbecile and retard all at one time were like official medical designations for like certain levels of retardedness. God damn it.

But yeah. Yeah, I wonder why they did that. Well, I'm just saying, though, it's just weird. Like, you just start saying a thing and, yeah, we just, we turn shit. But is that what happened with Taint? Or is it Taint a Butthole Tanty balls? I hope it's fucking that. I wish Bryce was here, our old producer Bryce.

Look at me in the back helping us out. But. He quit, though. He did after one episode. He moved off to Mexico. Yeah, he probably dead now. Yeah. But now, see, that, again,

that just makes literally zero sense because from a cost effective standpoint, America would have been doing that right now too because that's our shit. But like you said, we figured it out and it's water and shit down. Yeah, you want the opposite effect. Yeah, you don't want people to have two drinks and then be fucking in the hospital. Yeah. Well, rest in peace, Bryce. He taint with us no more.

I sure taint. We got our pictures made today. We did. A shit ton of pictures. Took pictures for four goddamn hours. We had a photo shoot. A photo shoot. I saw on the call sheet, and me and Tray were talking about it.

It's like, man, this is slated for four hours. Is it really going to take four hours? And Tray's like, it ain't no way. It's going to take four hours. And by God, now, by the way, it was extremely fun, so I ain't complaining. And we, like, eight in the middle of it. Yeah, we ate in the middle of it. And we jumped into pool and shit.

But like, still, man, god damn, that's a half day of work or a full day for me. I know it. It was funny, we were talking about, like, kind of jokingly. I was like, now, can you fix our teeth in the post and make. to make them, you know, not yellow and crooked. And then our manager, our manager now was like, yeah, we, people actually send messages about y'all's teeth.

Oh, God, that's so fucking funny. I feel like, I mean, you know, whatever. I got a fixed, I got. Please, God, tell me that you're about to say I feel like my teeth are normal. No. Oh. I was going to say, this all makes me want Skittles. No, I was going to say, like, and you know,

hey, we're comedians, we got thick skin or whatever. but also like that's a little shitty. Yeah, fuck them. I mean, like, if it's a thing that, like, you could, you know, like, Drew, somebody tell Drew that. What good could it be, Drew? Maybe he'll be like, why. Hey, the guys, their teeth are fine.

Drew's need to. For no reason. Drew needs to pluck this ear hair he has or something, you know. He needs to take care of that. You could just do that. Our gay fans are ruthless with that shit. Every time I make a video on Facebook, it shows my shoulders, they tell me to shave my shoulder hair.

I'm going to call him out right now. fucking, is it Marcello? That motherfucker. And by the way, Marcelo, I love you. You were the fucking roast king on goddamn face, but you can't put up shit without Marcello just being like, purple ain't your color or fucking like, God damn it, just makes me feel so small.

Yeah, they keep in the mind. By the way, nobody attack Marcello. He's my favorite. Which is something Marcello would never call you small. Exactly, exactly. I don't know. I guess I assume maybe she was getting messages like, hey, I could clean Corey's teeth for him or whatever.

But the only reason to, send that is insinuating that we got shitty teeth. There's no reason to insinuate that. We do have... We do have shitty teeth but also, we fucking know. But I didn't know until I left Sumbrae. Is that true for y'all? No, that checks out. I mean... Well, I mean, Trey, you... Lord.

No. Y'all, Trace teeth probably looks relatively normal in pictures. Have we talked about having him next to a saber-tooth fucking tiger? Yeah. You can't see it in pictures. That's true. My teeth are fucking shitty and yellow and the bottom ones are crooked and all that but like it's not all it's not like an

anthony davis type thing the main thing about what makes my teeth fucked up is uh i've got too many of them now i have an extra i have an extra eye tooth that grows through my gums uh above the rest of my teeth just like one of your opinions it just couldn't not get the fuck out there regardless and the reason for it is my two i i whatever the fuck they're caused called incisors. Eye teeth. No, that's these. What are these?

No, these are canines. These ain't incisors? These are incisors. Oh, shit. I always say incisors. These are incisors. These are incisors. These are canines.

These are molars. And this one up here went to market. My eye teeth, my canines, the two on the top. My baby teeth. My baby versions of those particular teeth. fell out when I was a kid and you know my mama was too high to notice or something apparently I don't know I had no idea not the only part of your child but still lingering around no I did and you know fucking poor kids are mainly me and my sister I dude I never went to the fucking dentist

like ever hardly right and so I went finally when I was like 17 or 18 which is when I had the whole wisdom tape yeah you're right them are insizers I know that my bad right missed a butt missed a butt I finally was like 17 or 18, which what led to the wisdom teeth debacle that I've talked about before and talked about on stage. But also while I was there, they told me, he's like, those are baby teeth. Those two teeth. And I was like, what? He showed me the x-ray.

And he's like, yeah, those are baby teeth. And he showed me where the adult teeth, the permanent teeth were above that. And I was like, well, what the fuck? And I was 18. And the dentist was like, I mean, they'll probably still just work. their way out. Like, you know,

he was, he was like, it'd probably be fine. And, and then, you know, I left. And shortly after that,

I got the wizard teeth cut out, but other than that, you know, I ain't go back to the dentist in forever. Probably a year or so later, the one on the right,

it fell out. It was starting to fall out. I got real drunk one night and pulled it out in college. And so this one came in. But the one on the left, like, just never came out.

And then the fucking, finally, and I don't know how that happens after 20 years. Like, you go 18 years, and it's just up in my gum, just chilling, being fine. No, actually, it was my wisdom teeth getting cut out.

It made more room in my mouth than my teeth, like, shifted or something. And then, but there was nowhere for that one to go, so it just popped out my fucking gum. So that's your regular tooth, and the one that's underneath it might fall out. Oh, it hit. Should fall out. Do you remember? And then will that one squeeze down, or will you just... At this point, probably not without assistance.

What I'm, dude, again, what, you know, as we continue to hit and I make enough money, I'm just going to go and be like, fix all this. Make this hit. Cut that fucking freak tooth out and pull that baby tooth and do whatever. Whatever, however veneers were. Trey crowd or freak tooth.

This may be ether because I'm pretty sure we were drunk and we discussed it. But do you remember what's so remarkable about your teeth being like that and what I have going on with my teeth? You're missing the one that I have. Yeah, I never grew a tooth right there. So like, it's like we've been trying to find each other our entire life. Teeth. Teeth bosom buddies.

It's like those little heart lockets that, like, spell best friends, but it's our stupid fucking mouths. Like the Power Ranger. That's why you guys, when you get hammered, you're always trying to kiss. Yeah. It's our teeth. I'm trying to get his tooth. But you're welcome to it. Well, I think that, you know, that's definitely, when people say, oh, they're faking it, they're faking it.

Just look at her teeth. Yeah, man. Like, we ain't faking this shit at all. We got fucked up teeth. I mean, that really is one of the best indicators of like, you know, sure, whether somebody's poor or not, like they're upbringing. If you got fucked up, poor, I just ain't fucked up days. I just ain't too many fucking skittles because I'm an idiot.

Friend of the cast, Sarah Smarsh, she has a, she wrote an article. It's been over a year. Oh, you're right. That's right. About that and about how, you know, that's like a type of prejudice. People have bad teeth. That's right. Time in life.

I remember when I was like 13, I went to like, I swear it was like a summer. it was like an event. Like, you've talked about that dentist that came to your town or whatever. This was like, I don't know, a fish fry or something at the 4th of July. And there was Army dentists in there, probably just practicing on kids. And this guy was like, he needs braces or whatever. And my mom told my dad, and at that time, my dad's company didn't have great dental. And I could tell my dad really wasn't excited about paying for it.

And he was like, you want braces? And I was like, no. Right. But I also remember being like, I don't want crooked teeth, but I feel like he wants me to say no kind of thing. You know what I mean? And then later, when he got better insurance at the railroad, because unions are the goddamn backbone of America, everybody. You had started hitting by then, and you were like, I ain't put no fucking braces on my teeth. I'm trying to get these hand jobs, Daddy.

Exactly, man. It's really hard to kick it at the FCA meetings. Right. If you can't finger bang Christian girls because you've got brace mouth. Yeah, no, dude. Fuck that. So I said, fuck that. And I'm kind of glad I did.

I don't think I'm going to get mine fixed if we, like if Hollywood tells me to fix my teeth, I mean, you know, if I really need to tell them okay, I will. But I like mine. I like my crooked smile. I think oftentimes, and I don't know with your, I know you floss like a motherfucker, like habitually. But like, oftentimes, you know, with the like shitty aesthetic and everything also come actual problems, though. You know what I mean? like that need to be addressed, not just like I want my, you know, smile to hit more. Like it hurts in there because the crookedness is all fucked up.

I mean, dude, you know I don't know. I just mean, in general, I'm pretty sure with... I haven't had a cavity since I was like 12. Right. Yeah, actually, oddly enough, I've only had, I've only had one cavity in my entire life. So, I don't know. That checks out less than anything else that's ever been said on this podcast. Sarah, who's a dentist.

Your butterfinger eating ass. You like, my friend Sarah's dentist said it's not, it's not a myth. Because plaque, is that what causes cavities? Probably. I mean, sugar just be eating away at the target. And it feeds off sugar. Plaque does feed off sugar. But it's not as big of a connection as they used to think it was as long as you brush your teeth because I think.

And you all know me. Well, dude, think about every time I shower, I brush my teeth and y'all know I'm a shower and maniac. Like, they, they do get scrubbed down. The reason it came up is she gave her husband cavities. That was like her theory. Like, like, there's certain bacteria if you have them in your mouth that makes you more likely to get them, apparently. He never got one his whole life. Cavities are so, cavities are a goddamn STD.

But Jesus fucking Christ. Okay, so there again, Corey would have, he'd have been ate up with fucking cavities over the years. None of that checks out. You don't know what I believe. Look at his mouth. He's got like nine cavities. Right. Corey just don't feel pain because he has to hit all the time.

Well, that's not true. I'll tell you all something. I'll tell you all something on the subject of teeth. Yeah, you were. I was sincerely suicidal. Sincerely suicidal. On the subject of teeth, I tell you all something that I don't think I've, I'm probably, now, I don't know that I've ever told anybody this.

This is about to be a window into my thought process in a lot of ways. At that dental visit where he said, you need to have your wisdom teeth cut out. Also, you got baby teeth, and I don't even know what to do about that, whatever. the dental hygienist who cleaned my teeth before the dentist, so not the doctor, the dental hygienist before he came in there, she said,

what do you do to take care of your teeth or whatever? And I tell her I brush, I just brush my teeth. I don't even really floss. And she says to me, this is in Jackson County, Tennessee, she goes, well, whatever it is,

and I'm 18 years old, she's like, well, whatever it is you do, keep doing it. And if you do, you will never have any serious dental problems the rest of your life because you're shitty looking but they're very very healthy right and so she said that and i don't make sense to me i took that as i ain't got to go to dennis no more they don't hit you know what i got to figure it out it's fine at this fucking this you know this dental high and you know god love the dental hygienist

my sister's a train when she don't work at it because you know she's page but uh she's a trained Dental Hygienist? She's a certified dental hygienist. She went to school for that for over a year. Ah, fuck. Damn, mind. I get so much shit from her and my mama for putting them on front street all the time. And that's the, that's the terminology they use for it. I was about to say, she ain't put me on blast in a while either, and I ain't trying to have it. You get into, whatever. Once she actually got into the field and she did, she got a job and did it for a while, and then, you know, it didn't hit for her. So whatever, that, you know, fine, fair enough. People like us came in with gross mouse.

But anyway, I'm saying, I don't want to do that. This one. You've got too many teeth. Why there's so many trees. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. He's so bad. She's so bad right now.

Bubby. See, dude, anytime we do that, I will get a text message on Thursday. You know, this comes out. No, fuck that. Wednesday afternoon. I will get a text message. I will get a text message from page. I don't know why y'all got to make me sound like such a dumb bitch.

If you're going to do an impersonation, at least they want it's worth a fuck. You're going to fucking make fun of me on there. She'll say woo-tang and skip off. Anyway, I took the word of this one random dental hygienist in Jackson County, Tennessee, as just like, all right, that's all I need to know. You know what I mean? I don't have to do just the most standard of fucking thing. I just rolled with that.

I just took that and rolled with that for forever. That lady could be fucking nuts. She could be stupid as fuck. I've done the same thing. Remember when I told you I got my physical three and a half years ago and they said I was fine? And when they did that, I was like, yeah, I'm good. I'm good. But it's like, no, you was 26 or whatever.

You know, it hadn't caught up to you yet. Again, this lady specifically, she literally said the words, keep doing whatever you're doing right now and you'll always be fine. But I'm saying she ain't right to book on teeth. You know what I mean? The same age, 18. I went and got my teeth clean because I had to get my teeth clean because of dad's insurance. You know what I mean? Like you had to go twice a year.

That was part of it or whatever. And I went there and I was like, I hate this. Because that stuff used to make me nauseous. Oh, right. Yeah, I hate it. Fucking poison. But anyway, and I would swallow it because I'm bad at that. You're supposed to not swallow it.

Anyway, she was like, well, you don't have to do this anymore. I was like, no, I have to because the insurance and all that. She's like, no, that's just kids. When you turn 18, you can stay on the insurance. You don't have to get it clean. You don't have to come for checkups. I got up out of the chair. like literally right and she's like we're not done

I'm out of here thank you very much goodbye whatever the copay is that is that's the most 18 year old dude shit ever in the history of the world high school when they come around you do the army test or whatever they come as vab okay well they never murdered

they never we did it a couple times and they never came right out and our school didn't at least because they knew what would happen with me at least there's only 300 of us but they're like you know I found out that it was not mandatory they could not make you do it. And we're about to go in there.

I never knew that either. Right, but they don't. Literally everybody there did it. I just randomly heard a teacher say that something, some version out of the recruiter say that. And I was like, well, wait, excuse me, what? And I was like, we don't have to do this. And the guy's like, no, we actually, it's against the law for us to make you do this. And I go, all right.

And just. Ducees. I was the only motherfucker in the whole room. Everybody else was just like, what are you talking? I was like, the teacher's like, you can't. And I was like, he literally. just said that I can. I'm going to the goddamn lobby.

And I just went in the lobby and sat there and drew shit in a notebook for a Did you know that you didn't have to do it? I learned it when Corey told me the story. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I 100% thought it was like, me too. Fucking T-CAP or whatever other standard I, you know, well, ACT you ain't got to, but you know what I mean. It totally makes sense that they can't make you because that would seem too much like,

you know, not America or whatever. Real quick, before I forget, I looked it up. So any kids out there, you know, don't do that shit. Yeah, fuck that. Go sit in a lobby and draw tities like I did. Don't brush your teeth. Draw titties. Don't take the Army test.

Fuck it. Eat candy. Yeah. Fuck each other's butts. Yeah. Whatever you got to do. While multiple bacteria play a role, the primary culprit of cavities is a strain of bacteria.

I can't fucking read what it's called. It looks like the strep one, though. They make tooth-eating acid as they feed on carbohydrates, one of which is sugar. But if you don't have the bacteria in there, it don't matter how much sugar's in there. And that's what she was saying. And her husband, one of my best friends been, he stayed eating candy and drinking soda, but he never had cavities.

Then got with her, they made out or whatever, he got that bacteria in her mouth. She put the bacteria in his mouth. And then he got cavities. That's that day where I come from, baby. No shit. That's wild as hell, yeah. I never knew any of that because I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to dental care. Well, do you remember?

Clearly. There was the thing that went semi-viral a few years ago was talking about fucked up teeth. And it was talking about somebody had made the point. when you look at old pictures, their teeth are straight. And someone else said, well, yeah, but they don't smile. And I'm not maybe the ones where they don't smile. But then they're like, well, what about the 70s? They always have their mouths closed.

What about the 70s and 60s? Oh, so you don't mean like real old pictures. Well, that was at the point of my message. It was like, it seems that teeth are getting. And then someone had this theory about something to do with our nutrition as kids. I don't remember what it was. I'm sure, you know, some listener knows and will tell us. But what I was going to say is, so if you're out there listening and you have nice

teeth and everyone in your family does, you know, congratulations on not dealing with... Or if you want to give us free dental work in exchange for a hat, you know. I personally don't want to get dinner work in a chance for a hat. I was about, yeah, I was going to be like, I mean, they can offer that, but I ain't coming. That's like that. I mean, if the club wants me, I don't want to be in that club. No, no, no, no. Groucho Mark.

Me and Drew are actually saying two different things. I'm just saying, I ain't going to do that. Yeah. I don't go to dentist. Like, you know, I know. I just need to. I want, I want goddamn veneers. No, seriously, dude.

I've been to the dentist one time since college, and it's because they tooth broke. I haven't been once because I ain't had a tooth break. Actually, I have, and I still didn't go. Here's really what I'm... Oh, my God. Go ahead. No, I was just saying what I'm getting at is I want veneers, and, but I've gotten used to a certain type of lifestyle of not having a patient for shit. So because people just be, you know, giving us gifts because we're so great.

I got to stand up and tell the story. I was just kidding, obviously. But if anybody out there want to hook me up with veneers, that'd be great. I'll do three shows for you. Oh, well, dude, all right. Hey, we're talking about free veneers. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

You know, I don't want you to do shit to these teeth. I want these to be filed down and a new set come in. Even more proof of who we are. How white trash we are. Yeah, absolutely. We have false teeth. We're just like, now listen, God, by God, everyone out there, listen, if you want to give me free veneers, now.

Hell yeah. I ain't going to goddamn Dennis. I mean, you won't get me free fake hitting teeth. Whatever, I'll come see you.

All these fucks. Damn. I'll bring you a hat. But otherwise... Yeah, we're pieces of shit. So, when I was in law school, I played basketball

in this league or whatever. This dude accidentally elbowed me right in the face. Wrecked my lip and it literally bent these front two teeth back, loosened them up. Matter of fact,

this one, see, it kind of sets behind the one. sets behind that. You don't have to show me. I missed it. That was not.

That's why they call it the cage, pussy. Right. Exactly. Hey, I finished the game, okay? Drop 20 on that kid. Respect. I also am beginning to think that it was not an accident that he elbowed you in the face.

I think he was really good at elbow on people in the face. And also, Drew is Drew. He probably hated him. That's what I'm saying. Drew's little Drew ass out there just fucking dribbling all around him and shit. That dude, I like, dropping fucking dime. That dude, that dude, absolutely got checked.

absolutely elbowed you on purpose. He might have. For sure. Still beat his ass in the game. Anyway, I went to the dentist, Andy, like, really wanted me to go because she was like, that tooth is going to fall out, and then what are you going to do? And I was like, well, what is the dentist going to do about that? And she's like, that he can do something.

Like, how can they save your tooth? Oh, yeah, it's going to fall out. Well, fuck it then. This tooth is fake. I mean, this tooth right here is fake. Well, no, I knew he could do that. But I was like, I don't know if they could save it. She's like, no.

God damn. is that really what you're that's so fucking awesome and funny you've got to go to the dentist that tuesday's going to fall out what the fuck's he going to do about it what the fuck is the dentist going to do about this tooth shit yeah you tell me huh woman shut the fuck up you and that dentist and a guy who elbow me can kiss my fucking MVP drop 20 in the game ass no none of y'all know shit about fuck so i went so i went to the dentist And lo and behold, he had a plan. And what he said was the tooth, since it's loose, it's most likely dying.

But that he can stabilize it and it might not turn gray. That's apparently what teeth do when it die. Yeah, the dead tooth. They just turned gray and you got the dead tooth. Okay, well, I didn't want that. Now, hell no, Lord no, you don't want that. It stinks. So he said he's going, really?

It stinks. Yeah, because the nerve endings are up there and it just, it's a dead thing that still has, I mean, it rots. That's gross. It rots, yeah. So anyway, I didn't want that. And so he said, I'll give you temporary braces. It's not automatically going to save your teeth. But by keeping it completely stable, it'll help it heal better and more quickly.

It's the best chance we got. And I said, cool. And he put these really, really fucking gnarly looking temporary braces. It looked like somebody had just took fucking lashing wire and rolling it through my teeth, right? He shot me full of lino cane, and he did it, and he gave me a script for Vicodin. Y'all know the deal with my brother. Pain pills also make me, not. Nauseus anyway.

I wasn't going to get that done. I was like, fuck that. My gums was completely numb, and I'm sitting there, and the way my teeth are all fucked up, I got an overbite. And there were wires back there. I couldn't close my mouth. Because when I did, my bottom teeth were running into that wire. So I'm sitting there. I go home, and my teeth are numb, but I'm noticing that, and it's kind of annoying me, and I'm, like, tongue in it.

Well, my mouth is, I don't feel anything. So you bleeding like a motherfucker? No, but I'm shoving that wire. I'm moving it up. tongue without realizing it's going to burn into my guns. It's like to get you. You know how when you go to the dentist and they're playing around with your mouth, you don't like it in general.

Like it makes you very nervous. It's just like you don't want anybody in your mouth anyway, right? So I had that feeling. Speak for yourself, honey. Yeah, buddy. I like it in there in my mouth. And every time I close my mouth without thinking about it, my bottom teeth hit that wire and it felt awful.

It felt like him doing it again. And the lidecane started to wear off. I started sweating. I was so fucking anxious. I couldn't relax. I'm pacing around the house at this point. I'm freaking the fuck out. I start drinking.

And then at some point... My man. That'll fix it. Hell yeah. At some point, I've only had like a beer. I'm like, Andy, we gotta get these fucking pills. Because it's starting to hurt, and I'm on nervous wreck, and let's go to the goddamn pharmacy. So we went there, got the Vicodan.

Got home, supposed to take one, took two, as you do. And then I opened up another beer. And I got about three quarters through it, and I started feeling kind of like, you know, real loose and woozy. and then I remembered that I always heard that you don't mix alcohol and pain pills. That was like a thing that you weren't against, but I also remembered that everyone I knew who partied thought it was awesome.

Yeah, I was about saying. Yeah, if you don't want your night to head at a maximum capacity, you're always just like doctors don't want you to have any goddamn fun. Pardon me for sounding like an after school special right here, I will never do that again because I have never felt that good in my life.

Oh, yeah, but it is. Dangerous thing I can think of. Oh, yeah, it's heroin, buddy. I felt like a, child and I mean childlike some part of me right here in my chest broke open and I was free. I felt fucking great. Yes. And then because I was in that state and I was like, oh, I'm hitting now.

I didn't want these in my mouth. And therefore I was not going to have them in my mouth. Andy has a sewing kit that had a baby pair of wire cutters in. I'm like a little tiny little bitty pair that would fit in your mouth. I went into the bathroom and I cut these fucking things out. snip, snip, snip in the front, two snips in the back. Yeah, that's some high on pill shit for sure. And redneck shit.

Yeah, I was on pills just went there and just pulled all the braces at my mouth. They didn't hit for me. Listen, it ain't over. We'll get to that part. Of course it ain't over. I sniffed them. You had to wake the fuck up. But I just had these wires in my mouth now.

Like, I cut them, but they're not out. So I had to pull them out, right? Well, that was a straight shot. Pliers. For a few of them. Yeah, I got the pliers. I could. So I'm pulling on with the pliers.

That was a straight shot for some of them. But for two pieces, the piece was in and wrapped around the tooth. And I couldn't get up in there to snip that part. So I had to pull two of them around the tooth out. Boy, it's a good thing you don't feel. I couldn't feel a goddamn thing. It didn't matter at all. Your mouth had to hurt like a motherfucker the next day.

I look over at some point. Andy. It's like watching TV, not paying attention to me at all, because that's what she does in her life. That's very, Andy, that's so funny, though. She's, like, you know, she's probably, because this is, like, in our early 20s, she's smoking a bowl. She looks up, she looks at me, I'm in the mirror.

I just, fucking, there's blood all the way down my chest. First time he ever mixed pills and alcohol. Yeah, he's just pulling all his teeth out. So I'm jerking these motherfuckers out, right? I get them all the way out. I look at him, she starts crying. It's like that saved by the bail episode. about speed.

Andy tears up. She goes, and her like tears come around. She goes, what are you doing? There's blood army. I'm like, these fucking things sucked. Well, I had an appointment to go back to the dentist two days later because he's got a check on me and take them out. These are not permanent braces.

I call his office the next day. I call his office the next day to speak to her, his secretary. Well, that's not why I call, but that's who answered, of course. And this is in Boston. And this is the emo. is, you know, like a 25-year-old Boston medical office secretary or manager.

This woman gets on the phone, and y'all know how we are. We sound even more country on the phone. She's like, you know, hello. And on pills. Well, this is the next day. Oh, okay. I'll say, you know, hi, I'm Drew.

I'm a patient, blah, blah, blah. This is my birthday. So listen. What happened was? Hold on. I have an appointment Friday. It's been less than 24 hours. Yes.

I have an appointment Friday. with the doctor and I want to cancel it. She goes, okay, no problem. She goes, sir, are you going to another dentist? No, ma'am, I'm not. I ain't got no teeth anymore. So I don't need his services. Those are not permanent.

You have to come back or go somewhere else if you prefer. You can't leave them in your mouth. And I said, oh, yeah, I already pulled them out. But like, I can hear her. her on the other end, this Boston woman hearing, oh, no, I already pulled them. Yeah, no, I did that. And she goes, okay, you, what did you just say?

I said, I pulled them out myself. I didn't like them. And she goes, uh, well, I, uh, and then I swear to God, she goes, Janice, please come here. And I said, yeah, yeah, I pulled them out. And I guess Janice came over there, and she explained to her, and then she just said, uh, okay. Hey, and I'd love to think that that lady still tells that story.

She probably does. Yeah. Oh, shit, we weren't recording. You've got to be shitting me. I am. That was masterfully done. That would be a huge bummer. Oh, that whole story?

Oh, do Janice absolutely tells that story and whatever the other chick's name was. I don't know why these people think that we're all like this down there. That's what Andy said. She's like, just drew everything they ever thought about you or anybody like you you just confirmed it for him and i was like look by god i got on pills and i didn't want to go to the fucking dog yep you're right i'm my father i'm bleeding oh my lord i don't know that people listening right now can fully appreciate just how raven that story is no it's so amazing it's so raving of you everything about it

Yeah, everything about it. Oh, that was great. In fact, we'll fucking end on that note. We can't do anything better than that. So let's just get into the conversation. I don't know how in God's name to segue from that into Ian Harvey and Jay McBride. So that was it. I just did it.

What? Nothing. Yep. Yep. So. Excuse. Anyway. it's going to be a pretty big tonal shift,

but y'all are still going to like it. It's still going to hit for you. Enjoy this conversation. We'll see you next time. Skew! Well, well... Well, here we are. We're here in Corey's hotel room in Pasadena.

We're at Politicon. We've been doing that thing. And we're very thrilled to have in this small hotel room. Thanks for braving it. We have Ian Harvey and Jay McBride sitting down with us. Hey, guys. Hey, how are you? actually I spent the night here.

I don't want to break that. I wasn't supposed to mention that. In this room? So we kind of talked about this a little bit when you first walked in off the mic, but just how's Politicon been for you guys so far? What do you think about it? It's been good. You know, I think in past years,

the ratio of, like, liberal to conservative has been more in the, like, 80-20 range. And it seems like that that's a little, that the conservative side is a little up. Yeah. So this is my first year doing it or being here, period. But I've heard a few different people say what you just said. And also, I just came from a panel. It was my last obligation for the weekend.

I had a panel, the subject of which was, what can conservatives do to reach millennials? And that panel and also the room, the audience, which was packed, it was full was a huge majority conservative and like pretty like you know riled up conservatives too like pretty passionate i'd say the audience was 90% conservative for that panel and uh the panel was like three conservatives to two liberals i had to wonder why they they had you on that it seems like a waste you know it's like it's like when i play in elks club you know it's like yeah i think it well i i what I would imagine happened, because I wondered the same thing,

and what I would imagine happened is they looked at their lineup and who had a spot open. They were trying to find somebody who is a, I think, probably liberal millennial because they already had the whatever conservatives and just, I just fit the bill is what I assume. Because, I mean, yeah, I'm with you. I don't, you know. Yeah, and like, why would you tell them? Like, if you figured out how conservatives could reach millennials, keep that shit to yourself, right?

Right. Yeah, well, I told them, I opened up by saying, like, look, I'm from, like, the deep rural South, and y'all are fucking crushing where I'm from. The first thing you need to do is shut down Facebook and Twitter. Yeah. Where I'm from, millennials, hate them. What's that again? Yeah.

So, yeah, evidently, I mean, yeah, there's, they've got a, I've seen my fair share of Make America Great Again hats and Trump shirts and stuff. I mean, they're pretty well represented. White dudes and suits, but cheap suits, not nice suits. It's like really cheap, like a little bit too tight for their bodies, like little misfitted. And usually they're the first ones that hit on me on dating sites too. But I mean, almost entirely. If I'm being...

Do you have a thing for them? That's a shame. I mean, you know, that'd really work out. Any port in a storm, right? You know, it's a dry season, so we'll see what happens. If I'm being honest, though, I think, I mean, because it's Politicon and it's not like, you know, progressicon or whatever, like, I think that's the way. it should be. And also I think generally speaking, I'm pro that because how polarized the whole thing has gotten, the whole discussion in the landscape and everybody being, you know, living in their

own bubbles and all that shit is something that I think is a problem. So, you know, shit, I'm all for it. I think it's a good thing having a good mix like that. I'm for it too. But do you think that anybody, like any liberals in that on the panel that you were in, were in the room as an audience member, if their minds were changed by anything. I don't know if there's any progress in that area. I do think that these things are important. There should be equal numbers of representation, but is anything really changing at these things?

Are you changing anybody's minds? I mean, yeah, no, probably not, but I think it, I sincerely, however small it might be, I think it's good just to have, literally just having people in the same fucking room together, I think is, you know, a good thing. Well, I do think, what I do think is nice about this. It seems fairly civil.

I have not been here all weekend. Today is my first day of the thing. But I thought it was civil, yeah? It did. Yeah, I thought so true. And the one thing that we were even talking about the way here, it's just, you know, when you tell your story to people, you know, and you tell where you're from, and it's impossible to hate someone whose story you know.

Right. So when you find some common ground, because not everyone is 100% conservative or 100% liberal and everything, there has to be some common grounds. And maybe, you know, I don't know. Well, see, we've talked about that a lot as far as growing up where, we did and feeling the way that we do about things, we just, we automatically, like, had to be able to, you know, listen to coexist with, have relationships with people that we, you know, disagree with on a lot of shit. Because otherwise, we'd have been, you know, I had a pretty lonely existence, you know what I mean? And so it wasn't something you even thought about. It just kind of naturally happened. And I mean, I still, I spoke my mind and everything, but I always made a point to be like, I'm not.

going to let that get in the way of, you know, how I feel, right, this, all that kind of thing, you know, because that's just how it is when you're in our shoes. And I fit, so I think that's why I feel so strongly about the whole, you know, everybody in their bubbles and stuff. I just don't think it's good. Thanksgiving dinner. But like, you know, it was all dinners.

Yeah. Football practice, you know, whatever. I mean, school. Yeah. And I think for you and I turned us into, I mean, smart asses. It has a lot to do with, you know, our sort of. of whatever it is that we wear onto the stage and in our lives. But we've noticed when we go around the country that for a lot of our fans, it turned

them into very quiet, not speaking up, almost ashamed people. It was very strange to meet so many people who claim that they themselves are liberal rednecks and they're just like, thank you. I've been wanting to, you know, and I see all these people that I'm going to be louder now. I'm going to be more vocal and that was interesting. I mean, yeah, they call themselves closeted liberals, people that are in places like our hometown that agree with us, you know, just don't ever talk about it. But yeah, me and Drew, for whatever reason, just went the opposite way.

Which makes me also think about the, I don't know if you can call it, the intersection where a lot of young conservatives or just conservatives in general were keeping their mouth shut and now that they have been given a green light and permission to, they were sort of closeted about their feeling. So it's interesting that you were saying that and that you've sort of brought out these people who are now like going to be loud and proud about their liberalism. and then the same thing has happened for conservatives. Like there's all these people that have come out.

In like Southern California in places. You mean like liberal? Everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. Like, that were, that are just, they're out now. It's like there's all these like coming outs of political coming outs. I mean, just I'm thinking of like the, I know that there's a lot of young people.

I'm not, I don't know, it's weird. I sound like maybe I'm sort of somehow defending conservative saying this, but I know there's a lot of people that were afraid to say stuff. and now that they're not afraid because they have this person in a position of major leadership that is spouting off insanities that they somehow on some level agree with a nugget of it or all of it and that they now have been emboldened. Yes, I 100% agree with that. Let me ask you, how do you feel about that? Absolutely frightened.

I mean, I'm never frightened by a liberal coming out and saying, because liberals are like we love everybody. We think everybody has the right to health care and we should treat each other as equals and take care of each other and be good to each other and think about not only ourselves but everybody else. And so that's not frightening to me at all. But when conservatives come out with their beliefs, it's usually things like we don't want these people in our communities. We don't want them in our militaries. We don't want them. There's all these rules about who can be. It's never an inclusive belief. Well, okay. So the reason I asked you, you know, how do you feel about Is that the maid or is the police here to get us?

The maid is here. What's funny is Corey was bitching before we started about how they haven't been by to service or clean his room all weekend. And now we get started and they're over there. And he's over there. He's over there. I was like, good fuck away. I was afraid they had heard what Ian just said. And the good stop ho had come to get up.

It kind of sounded like, like, yeah, Eagle 2. You guys hiding trannies in here? Eagle 2. Good to go. But the reason I ask is because there's another thing that we have talked about. And I, like, I feel those people, it's not like, you know, Yes, they've been emboldened to say those things, but they thought and believed them before. Right, right.

And so, like, I tend to fall on the side of this is a positive thing because now you know who they are and what they think. Like, they're out in the open and, you know, it's not as, you know, they're not surreptitious about it shit anymore. Like, they're in your face, and it is, it's disgusting and it is, you know, it is also frightening. but at least there's like, you know, it's out in the open now. Right. It's almost like that, like, did you ever see you Engrorious Bastards? Yeah. Yeah, it's almost like that scene where he carves a swask in their head.

Right. It's like, are you going to wear that Nazi uniform? Right. You know, I don't, well, I'm afraid that's, you know, and it's kind of an, I mean, it's not that drastic, obviously. Like, people throw Nazis around, like it's, you know. Right. Instead of asshole, they say Nazi now. Right.

Yes. I could, so I'm processing this. I agree with you. always thought that when we shame people into hiding who they are, it makes them sort of go away and be who they are among themselves. And it's where we get sort of covert racism and covert. But at the same time, the flip side of that is how far does that go? Because you're saying, you're frightened.

It's not frightening for me to hear someone say words. But it is frightening for me to imagine, well, right now these people who have always thought, I think we should be allowed to say racial slurs. and I think that that's how you know, blah, blah, blah. That's one thing. But what about people who are thinking we should literally kill transgender people? Or we should literally kill or separate mus, you know, like, when we start emboldening people who have these, in my opinion, fucked up beliefs, how far is it going to go? And I almost don't think it's as many as like it's blowing out to be, but the loud ones are really loud.

Because I grew up from a small town, a conservative town, in upstate New York. York, which a lot like some rural Tennessee, probably. We hear that a lot. And yeah, so I didn't want to tell anyone when I came out. I just moved away and never told them. But then I did come out and some people from home found out. And they're just like, I've been very supportive for the most part. You know, there's still people who say in like things like, I can't believe so-and-so is

going to cut off their dick, you know, and stuff like that. It's like, whatever. You know, but, but I mean, the fact that so many, they still voted for Trump, but they're also now they think about things when they hear. I've been so disconnected from those communities. that I really don't know the numbers. So someone, you know, if you're from Eastern Tennessee, I've driven through, we just did that abortion rights tour through the South. We were in Birmingham, Jackson. I mean, we went to so many places that we're, we thought we were, I don't know,

I just don't know what those numbers are. So when those voices have come out, like, I don't know if you have a more accurate sort of depiction of the increase of those voices. Yes, they maybe always thought that, but I just don't have, like, it's, it, yes, those voices are louder or being elevated, um, as Jay said, like they're louder, but I actually feel like the numbers are a lot higher. Right. That's, I mean, rather, I don't want to, I don't want to minimize it in, in a way that, um, like, I don't know. I mean, it seems like it's really high. I don't, I don't have any actual numbers I can throw at you or anything like that, but just having grown up for, being from a place like that and everything else. I, I really don't think.

that like just talking purely in terms of just gross numbers or whatever, I really don't think that they're higher because you have to think about like... Just find out for us, get a number for us. Right. Well, I mean, I don't start counting. People wouldn't even, I don't know, like not that long ago in places like our hometowns. You know, you literally wouldn't be safe there as a gay person or whatever. And that's even my shitty little tiny redneck hometown Salina, Tennessee.

That's not true there now. If you ask them, if you ask them, what do you think about gay marriage or whatever? They would say, well, Bible says it's wrong. It's a sin. I'm opposed to it. But, like, my uncle is gay and lives in Salina. And I know a handful of other gay people who live there, too. And, like, they're not getting, you know, accosted.

Like, they're not getting assaulted in public. They're not getting bricks thrown through their windows. They're not getting any of that shit. And that's the kind of stuff that not all that long ago absolutely would have. have been happening. And I don't want to come off as an apologist right now. There's plenty of regressive assholes in places like that. But I'm saying, do I think it's more now than it used to be?

No, I don't. I would wager a lot that it's actually less. Than when? The 70s or like two years ago? Well, I meant, yeah, I meant earlier decades. Yeah, if you're talking about two years ago versus now, yeah, 10 or 20 years ago. But I mean, that's kind of an interesting question. And if you're talking about literally, you know, pre-Trump, whatever, a couple years ago, that, I mean, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

I guess that's what my, my, I do, I had felt like this progression in, um, in everybody's evolution of like, oh, well, it's like, you know, I may believe that, but it doesn't affect me. I think people started to sort of sway that way a little bit more, like marriage or, uh, or quality marriage and, you know, uh, trans people, well, do whatever you need to do. I think that I felt like this, not surge, but slow-growing progression of acceptance. Maybe not, don't want to be involved, don't believe in it, but how does it affect me? It doesn't. So do whatever you need to do. I'm going to live over here. And now, like, post-Trump, I just think, like, that number just seems to have skyrocketed.

I think that perhaps you're seeing an expression, though, of the fight or flight of people who recognize that their beliefs and way of life is going away. I mean, I think that's a lot of what some of the angriest base of Trump supporters are. It's backlash against the progress. And I think in the long run, seeing that's a good thing, but maybe I'm just a hopeful... No, and every video from like some idiot from Walmart going like, you know, you can go back to your country now that Trump's in charge. You know, I don't know why just Southern accent. That's very offensive to us.

We know why. I'm sorry. It's different. It's Louisiana. It's not entirely. Not accurate. My mom lived in Nashville for a while, and I still have relatives. down there.

Yeah, no, I have a gay friend. It's right. It's trans, okay? I doubt very much

you do. No, we're not... I didn't. That's why I say gay. I'm very ashamed now. Well, all right.

Kind of on that note, and I want to preface this by saying, fuck Donald Trump and everything about him. But I myself thought at times during his campaign, like during the Republican

National Convention or whatever, you know, Peter Thiel, that, you know, big money, Silicon Valley investor guy who's gay, was up there giving his speech. And he said this series of things, you know, I'm American, I'm a patriot. He said like four or five things. And one of them was, I'm gay. And after every one of them, there was this big cheer. And he got a

cheer after he said, I'm gay at the Republican National Convention. And I remember watching it as it happened and thinking to myself, like, holy shit, if you'd have told me that was going to happen at the next Republican National Convention, there's no fucking way I would have believed it. and Trump also has always with gay and lesbian people and issues he has always at least ostensibly been like yeah that's whatever kind of cool about it or neutral on it and then but it I feel like that it's transition like they've it's like they've given up on oppressing gays too much anymore and now they've moved on specifically to trans people and that's where a lot of their focus lies now and that goes with Trump too the LGBT community has done that to trans people. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, um, been like the last sort of frontier of discrimination, not the last, but, but, um, it's one of those things that's like, okay, well, we can't, we can't, let's, let's, let's take one of them.

Let's pick one of them, you know, sort of weakest in the herd, if you will, and go after them because even, uh, LGBT people are kind of like, what, you know, some people are still like, I don't understand why you're part of this community. do you think a lot of that has to do with I mean he didn't open with that like you think a lot of it's how he placed it like if he said that if he just came out and said like I'm gay

like the first thing that wouldn't happen like he had to start out with I'm a patriot I'm an American then I'm gay at that point they were already just like I mean absolutely but still though I mean for that that crowd those people

I mean it would have been great if there were crickets I mean seriously that's what I would have expected like if you told you me was going to say that, that's what I would have told you would happen. Or like a murmur maybe of like, but they fucking, they cheered, you know.

I feel like they gave it up and maybe like their kids know someone who's gay so they can't really hate gay people anymore, but they're like, well, we don't know what trans people are. Let's stick with that one. That's what I was going to say. It's like, for, I think when they were focusing, when it was rampant homophobia for so long, they didn't even know what trans, they didn't know what transgender

was. But there's also this robotic. Then they found out and they're like, okay, yeah, that, we can, let's hate that. I'm sure the Bible. You notice, though, there is this robotic response by his fans. And his latest speech about police brutality being okay proves it because the cops behind him around him. Some people were like, and I don't even know if they were like, are we supposed to clap now? And I think, yeah. And, you know, I mean, I think people, there's this automatic response.

Like, I should do this because he's our president. I think that there's this automatic, given that wasn't the president that was speaking this as I'm gay, but his crowds definitely have like an autopilot sort of thing going on that they just fucking clap at everything. Well, with police specifically in major cities, a lot of the sort of behind the scenes work that goes into the recruitment, they try to get rid of people who won't follow orders. So there's something to be said of a notion that the officers in that crowd were literally like, I think I'm supposed to clap so I will. And you could expand that, I would argue, to a lot of politics, not just necessarily on the right,

certainly with Trump, where it seems like he has a lot of, like you said, robotic followers. It's very strange to observe them cheering at some of these rallies where you're there, you're watching the cameras or whatever, and you're like, you're too far away, there's too many, but you don't know what he just said. You can't possibly, it's almost like a stand-up set where you get a laugh and you start tagging it, and you build that, and there's like a point in the joke where there's people who aren't laughing at what you just said. They're laughing at the thing you said before that,

but they're still going. I think that's absolutely true. That doesn't happen with me. That's a laugh. Can we talk about the tweet that everybody's supposed to expect as policy about trans people not serving in the military? Of course, yeah. It was actually spread over three tweets.

Okay. It was a little more than just 140 characters. They put a little bit of work into that. A lot of ellipses. But yes, please. Yeah, I, you know, I was thinking about, like, from everybody, the, I was at outside of a Western bagel day before yesterday, and I heard this guy going on and on about how he doesn't want to pay for trans people surgeries. Which, of course, like, my blood started boiling. What's that?

I don't want to pay for your kids. Yeah. I don't know. I just want to, first I want to commend you on, like, all of your, your rants are always just on, you. point. And you're probably one of the greatest allies in social media that I've ever heard. And I was like, you're like asking me to come on here. Let's, you know, let's talk. We should have you on and talk about some of this stuff maybe. And, and I'm like, you don't need me. You're one of the greatest allies. You cover it pretty fucking well. But I was, I just wanted to say like, I'd talk about

the, you know, there's so much, there's so much things to talk about. But one of the things that struck me was there's probably a trillion dollars in as an investment into training these military people that are currently serving that are trans identified in some way and to let them go the loss of money into their training is I mean there's there's so much so much of that that that just makes absolutely obviously there's so much of it doesn't make sense but and the memes that have been going around about the amount of Viagra and Cialis costs and um and i don't know i just um go ahead jay well i mean when they when they put money involved they don't want to spend the money in that that's that's bullshit right that's well yeah well that

was my immediate reaction to it too was like real your rationale you're talking about the u.s. department of defense right now and your rationale is that is is is budgetary in nature like they can't afford it the fucking defense department like that's the hundred dollar hammers right yeah no it's so immediately transparently fucking bullshit. In any argument would have been bullshit, but like I just, that one specifically yeah, I was just like, oh, what the fuck.

It cost $2.7 million a year per detainee. Right. For one detainee at Guantanamo, there's a million of those things. There's fields and fields of tanks and planes and shit that we don't use, we'll never use that cost fucking billions of dollars. And we order more every year because, you know, we got this fucking parasitical. relationship with the, you know, the private, the military contract, all that shit.

And it, you could say a million, you could, you could spend all day pointing out things like that that, yes. They should fucking do something about. And for them to be like, well, we got to save this money. So we're going to, you know, ban trans people from service completely because of money. It's just so fucking ridiculous. The one I highlighted in, uh, when I wrote something about it was the, uh, the F-35. Yeah.

One point one trillion. Right. so far and it can't fly at night or in bad weather. Yeah. I said it's like my grandmother, you know, which, which, and it's in our military and it's just, it's ridiculous. So don't, that's a million millions. So, I mean, don't even.

I think we should let your grandma in the military personally. Like I would. Anytime, you know, all this stuff, right, is a, she is trans, though. No, she's not. It's a distraction, right? I mean, he has so much bad press going on, just every day, just like teens to, to a hundred things coming at him in any given day that is like absolute shit. And if he doesn't like supply the media with some outrageous new tweet to like fill the headlines with,

then all we would hear about is his shit press. So, um, so pick a divisive topic to make sure that we're all, um, turned against each other still and divided and, um, yeah. So if it's not immigrants and if it's not, um, terrorists, if it's, you know, Muslims are not terrorists, but Muslims, and if it's not them, then it's trans people and so on. It's just, it's just part of his ploy to, like, get us to talk about something else. Well, both, yes, I completely agree with that. It's just a thing to get his base, like, you know, frothing at the mouth again, and also to distract liberals from, you know,

all the other shit that they have going on, you know, with outrage, you know, rightful outrage, but still that's definitely what he's fucking going for. But I feel like, it just reminded me, I feel like both of the, the too big, in my perception, I'm sure to you,

it's been a whole lifetime of these, but the two big, like, public or social, like, trans-related debates or whatever, you know, this one,

the military thing, and then last year with the bathrooms and all that. I feel like both of the, I just felt like, both of those were literally just completely like fabricated out of thin air you know what I mean like like literally just invented scandals for conservatives or whatever like invented something to be outraged about um and with the bathroom thing and all that I felt like because all that's like state level politicians and shit and I felt

like that goes back to what I was saying earlier as far as they had lost their previous you know culture battle and this is now what they have moved. They had, like, they had their fucking lizard meeting and decided that it was going to be trans people they were going to go after. And so then they just started making shit up. But either way, like, it just, I don't know. It's so out of left field to me, too, you know, and I don't, I don't, I'm not a conservative. I'm not this, like, hateful-minded person, but I just, so I don't understand a lot of things about them. But I don't understand if you are a person like that.

I don't get the thought process of when something like that comes out. You know, I know they weren't fucking thinking about it before. You know what I mean? And then it happens, they're like, oh, you know what? Yeah. Fuck them. You know, like, but they didn't have, they couldn't have cared about it before that, you know? Like, so I just don't get it.

I think this new cycle of politics is about creating that chaos that people talk about Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon wanted to create. like chaos and complete like disruption in the government and this is on yet another i think they do have fucking lizard meetings and that they literally just like throw out the most divisive topics that or just not even divisive but conjure things out of thin air just like you just said and that it is in does it feed that chaos machine does it feed that how can we get dollars behind that message how can we get the coke brothers to give us money to like feed that message to our base and to get people on the fence to start questioning, you know,

the integrity of trans people in the bathroom, you know, and no matter what the stats are. So I think it's just part of creating this absolute, absolute fucking chaos. And so that our heads are constantly fucking spinning. And we don't know what's true anymore. I mean, I actually think that there are a lot of people out there that, because, of this constant repetition of fake news and all these things that are thrown out there that are absolutely false, people really do not know what is true anymore. So they, they've, and I feel bad for them, but if they don't have the intellect to inquire deeper and read a lot of stuff, you, you have

to read a lot of stuff to like keep up with the actual truth. Although they do really have lizard meetings. They do. Yeah. Yeah. They sit on top of a hot rock. eating crickets that part's true anyway but I just think it's totally like this isn't it's not about politics and it's not about protecting women in the bathroom it's not about

unborn babies it's not about it's not about any of that stuff it's about trying to control people and trying to create chaos and not like I don't know just never letting anybody have access to the truth and I think it's getting easier to create

outrage now absolutely you know and I think they're using that. Well, we have those things on our side. You said a minute ago there's people who never even knew that was an issue. Now they're furious that there's, you know, trans in the bathroom and all that. There's people

on the left who never gave a shit about that and now they're mad about it, so I'm going to go protest and suddenly this is the thing I care the most about. And I think what you're saying is so true that people who don't realize that, it's infuriating to me. That whole thing, you and your issue,

or not that this is your only issue, but like That was fodder. They took something and they just said, we don't give a shit about any of this other than what it can do for us in this machine that you were just talking about. But I do think, you said that's not politics. I think that is politics.

I think that politics has become A. And B, I also think that, unfortunately, there are some politicians who really believe this shit. And they're just as big of a tool or whatever as the people who are voting for Donald Trump or whoever else. I think there's governors and senators who,

they really, really believe all this shit. They're as fooled as, you know, these voters or whatever. And that is where, to me, it gets scary because, as I said, I think this has become what politics is. I do. I agree with that. I don't think it was always that way. I don't know, but I believe it. I think it was on, I guess maybe it has been.

And that, but just with, like, the tools that we have today to spread that misinformation. Right. With social media. I mean, I have, I've seen things, like, old newspaper ads and shit from like presidential campaigns and like the fucking early 1800s and stuff like that and it would just be outrageous fucking you know uh john quincy adams is a you know philandering slaver horror fucking whatever like just i mean you know pretty fucking hard you've made the sale quit selling right yeah and so like the the bile and all that i definitely don't think it's anything

new, but I think that, yeah, as you just alluded to, the way the world we live in makes it more, I don't know, prevalent, and it seems worse, and it could be worse now, you know, because it's easier for that kind of thing. Because those guys back then, they had to fucking get on a train for four hours to stand on the back of it to say their shit, and the only people that knew about it were standing there. You know what I mean? Now you can fucking tweet, you know, just tweet about it.

So, I mean, you know, I don't think that it's really changed that much, but the everything around, the environment surrounding it has changed. But the end result is the same. It's still bad. I have a question. I hope this is fair for you too. What either scares you more or bothers you more, the idea that a politician has those feelings about trans people or the idea that politician doesn't have those feelings but knows they can use that to, you know, give votes. I was almost kind of asked that, too, like how many politicians do you really believe that? I mean, Mitch McConnell's been in all.

office for so long. Does he believe everything or does he just know what to say to get votes in Kentucky? Right. But I think it's scarier when they bring it up just to, to bring up outrage, because we're the targets. We're going to be targeted now. I think it's scary that it may just be online trolling, but, but, you know, like, you know how many people I have to deal with online now? Just saying stuff like, I don't want to pay $2.4 million so someone can cut off their dicks. And I'm like, oh, dude. It's like, I mean, you know, first, which I never knew people cared so much about genitals, you know, but... Right, no, yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying.

And that's not even where it goes. Well, they didn't have the... Yeah. It's like, like, I know they didn't. Because, like, I'm, I'm being a little facetious, but also kind of serious when I say, like, these people were talking about, they didn't even fucking know what trans even was not that long ago. So I know they didn't give a fuck about it, you know? Like... It's like you're paying for hormone shots, you know, that's it. That's your pain for it at most. I don't know. I want to make sure you...

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You felt the same way? Yeah, I think the latter is more scary to me, that we're pawns rather than, you know, humans that, you know, need medical care and desire to transition or desire procedures or not or whatever that we're not considered human beings at all, that we are just a political maneuvering chip. Those things are scary to me about any topic, just because those politicians, I think,

are the most dangerous because they're going to be the most adaptable. one point that's come up Right And one point that's come up continually With the Trump thing is Everyone's saying well all Trump voters are racist And then one counter that I saw to that was And it was a pretty good point

But I think it plays into what we were just talking about Which is David Duke ran for president And got like 1% of the vote If this was just about racism Why didn't he get more of the vote And that's a decent point But I think part of it is what we're just now talking about Whereas Trump is able to use outrage

To stoke up his base whereas David Duke was a legitimate like, you know, we need to separate the racism. We're superior. And that was too much for people, even what I would call regular races. Just to jerk most of just said that. Regular race. Regular. The good races, not the bad races.

Not espresso racist. Good old salt to the earth, red-blooded races. We all can find common ground with, not these goddamn extremists, you know. You could win in Mississippi. Hell yeah, just, you know, like a papal. It's fine. Like, they didn't want to live. A papal.

Papal kind of racism. They don't want to kill people, but they use the word colored. The folksy racism. But no, yeah, it's like I... I mean, I totally agree with that, and I've said before, it's like, that shit don't hurt. The racism and the xenophobia and all that, it don't hurt with these people, but I think it's like the icing on the fuck you cake that Trump and his ilk, you know, bake for them. Like, I mean, they go for it. But like you said, if that was all it was, then, yeah, David Duke would be in the fucking White House.

But I mean, it's still shitty either way, obviously, but. And you guys probably know conservatives who aren't racist, but they voted for Trump because they hated it. I was kidding. No, but I mean, like, like, or I know I know Trump voters who weren't anti-trans.

Like, so, like, I, I think I actually win people over at a lot of shows. So I know I have conservative fans who voted for Trump. Well, that, that, that's, that panel that I just left, I said was super conservative in nature and the crowd was super conservative.

the conservatives on the panel, the ones on the stage talking, I'd said something to the, because again, it was how can they reach millennials? And I'd said something about like, well, you know, where they need to start is fucking just abandoning all this,

the social conservatism, the regressive, any of the hateful bullshit, because that's not going to fly with future generations. They need to just leave that shit alone. It's a non-starter. Focus on the money and, you know, whatever, go from there, maybe.

And the people on the stage were like, you know, it's a little unfair. It's a little bit of a misdemeanor. It's a little bit of a misrepresentation that basically that we are still that way. One of these guys was a gay guy, a gay conservative. And they were saying like, you know, we don't, we agree with you. You know, that person agreed with me as a person. You know, I totally agree with you.

That, you know, we're not homophobic, that kind of thing. And that's what should happen. And I think that's starting to happen. And I think we kind of get a bad rap for that sort of stuff. And I told them, I was like, dude, I lived in the South for 30 years. I don't know how any human being could possibly believe what you just said. I was like, but I said, but if you really mean that, then I mean good. God, man, I wish I went to this panel.

I wouldn't even have to have coffee to that. Even if they do believe it, though, are they going to speak out when someone else does? That's even a bigger thing when someone says something. Yeah, you have to vocally distance yourself from that idea, all of those ideologies in order to, and I don't want to give them tips either and how to like you know lure lure millennials but that that is absolutely right but you have you have to be out about that it's not oh that's not part of our platform anymore well you better fucking say it well that won't work though and that because I mean that doesn't work on

the right or the left in my opinion there's little room in either party it seems to me like for disagreement like we got to be anti them and we'll focus on that because I think both parties are eating themselves I think that explains Trump Honestly, the conservatives were eating themselves, and Trump fucking popped up somehow. I was called the Nazi sympathizer online the other day. So, I mean, just, it was like, you know, just for defending a Trump supporter who I know isn't an asshole. Well, yeah, well, that's the other thing, too. Like, I run into that kind of shit a lot also, like, super far left people who are, you know, just as insanely militant as those people are, but in another direction.

and like, yeah, that, the fundamentalist zealots of any kind never help things. You know what I mean? They just make it fucking worse for it. So, I mean, because like I said earlier, you know, growing up where I did, I kind of had to be that way. But yeah, I try to be like, I try to be like reasonable about things at times. We're like, well, I don't know, you know, hear them out kind of thing. And yeah, a lot of people in my fan base or whatever will be like, no, fuck that. Just immediately, you know, fuck that and fuck you.

I'm sending my book back. whatever. Like literally, shit like that. And I'm like, yeah, and I'm like, that's not, how is that helping? Is there an address where they can send it to? You said, what do you say? Is there an address they can send the book? Right. You said, a trailer in Salina.

You said, you know, the gay conservatives was like, you know, I think that's actually happening. You know, I'm not like that and we're not all. You're not, he don't speak for the whole platform, but I find myself, in his defense, I find myself so many times saying to my dad, we're not all like that dad. You know what I'm saying when he's talking about some meat is murder? You're a sack of shit. I want to throw blood on your fur coat. I'm like, yeah, I'm not like that.

But yeah, that is sort of our thing. So, I mean, that guy's got to admit that too. But we're guilty as fuck of that as well, which is obviously the point you were just making, but I thought of it five minutes ago. So I was going to say it. Are you a vegetarian or is that? Fuck, no. That's what I'm saying.

When you said we're not all meat as murder, I was like, well, okay. Yeah. You guys are comedians, though, too. Yes. I feel at odds sometimes with, again, you know, fervent liberalism being a comedian because, you know, there also is something to the whole PC culture thing and shit that they bitch about all the time. Now, fuck them and it's hypocritical because, you know, start making fucking Jesus jokes and see how, you know, how in stride they fucking take it. Like, they're very thin-skinned also. But when they say liberals are, you know, you know,

can't take a joke, you can't talk about nothing, they're overly politically correct, all this shit. I think there is something to that sometimes. Because also I've made jokes before. There's fucking jokes that were obvious softball jokes about, like Bernie Sanders or whatever. You have fun of Bernie Bros. All having the same socks and people, that's one of the times. People were like, we're sending the book back.

Yeah, just get railed on. by other liberals who are like, no, not okay. That's not okay. And like, how do you guys feel about that? As comedians, I mean. Do you run into that kind of shit at all? I resent that we call those people militant because that ain't got nothing to do with fighting.

Anyway, go ahead. All right. I don't know. You know what? I have, I have, my comedy is mostly narrative. So I'm telling my story. My story is in arguable.

So you can't, like, like, things that are happening to me, people said stuff to me, you know, my growing up, but it's like really all about like, I really keep it for the most part to myself with exception to a few, like a handful of jokes. And usually those aren't, it's pretty hard to have, like I did have a joke about conservatives and hoping that they die so, you know, that we can really create change in this country. But other than that, like, I'm not that. That was probably my most quote divisive joke. And people talking about, you know, me wishing.

And I said, no, I'm waiting, not wishing. That's a fucking difference. And people, I don't know. So that's probably the most divisive one that I have. So I don't really have a lot of Trump jokes, though, right? Oh, I have one. I have one or two. But, but even that, it's like, it's not a joke where, I don't know, it's not that divisive.

I think it's fun. I don't know, but I'm blind because I think it's just funny, which is I'm a trans guy. I'm a man with a vagina. Trump hates women, but he loves pussy. I think I'm the perfect guy for him. Right. Which, I mean, I don't know. It's just, it's just a, it's just, I don't know.

Is it that, that's not that divisive, I don't think. But also, I'm a fucking liberal, so I don't know what those, you know. What if someone said to you something along the lines of, you know, the objectification of pussy for sex is a really serious thing that happens in this country. And I'm not sure you should be joking about it. Stop hating on sex workers. Right. I be, I don't know. Right. Yeah.

That's the appropriate response. It is frustrating, but I think that's the appropriate response is to laugh. One of my favorite things that's happened in this, like, I don't know, arena is when Bill Burr was on Bill Maher, and Marr tried to get Burr to, like, agree with him about how PC culture's bullshit, and Burr was like, yeah, probably, I don't know, I just keep doing my fucking jokes. Why do you give a shit what these people say? It's not they're going to hurt you. Like, by definition, they're pussies, and they're not going to do you.

And I was like, yeah, that's kind of probably the adult response. I mean, I share your frustration, but there's a part of me that's like, yeah, let's get you hate on then. Well, it also is, because sometimes it is, like I said, I joke about Bernie that was like at his expense, even though it was, like I said, totally innocent to me, but and people get mad. And that's one thing. What I also get, though, is like super liberals automatically taking offense to something I say, regardless of what the point of what I was saying was. Like one example I can immediately think of, but I've had a few of these.

But in one of my videos, I was talking about, you know, how they defend themselves by being like, well, this is just what I believe. These are just my beliefs. I'm not trying to be, you know, I don't try to hate anybody. This is just my beliefs. You should respect my beliefs. And I said something to the effect of, my great grandma believed that she shouldn't have to eat cornbread next to a colored boy. you know if she was alive right now she'd have to get over that shit because that's a shitty way to be you know or whatever something like that and i got messages for people talking about like how

you don't say colored and that's offensive and racist or all this stuff or whatever and i was like i know that that's the point of that you know the whole thing and like that and i feel like there are people on our side of the fence who like just have knee-jerk reactions to things and like context doesn't matter and so i'm saying i do i definitely think it goes too far sometimes because I think I've seen it. They don't know what is racist. They don't know what is offensive. They don't know what is sexist.

So they're just, everything that they hear, they call it what they think it might be. And it's usually not. Right. You know, I think PC culture is and was necessary. I think that it has been good. Whatever the fuck it is, it has been good. But I think it has become, like my critique of it is, it has sort of become, this is what you're just touching on. This is a one, two, three step guide in how to be a good person.

the people that you were just talking about, they don't know what racism is, but they heard him say a word, and now they get to shame him and feel like they're a good person, and that's not what being a good person is about. But, and I know we're comedians, and I know why we got on this, but I also think, like,

I saw, I'm not who said this, and I don't remember who did, but it was something along the lines of, you're worried about safe spaces instead of getting rid of rape on campus. And that, to me, is why I'm just always going to be, as long as things are lined up the way they are, I'm always going to be quote unquote a liberal or a progressive or whatever.

It's like, yeah, safe spaces to a certain level annoy me. But rape fucking terrifies me. So shut the fuck up about that until we get rid of rape culture. And the reason I put those together is because a lot of times when you talk about rape culture on college campus, that's the response. Oh, this is some more safe space bullshit. And it's like, no, I think not getting raped is I think we can all agree on that. Is that how far we've gone? Yeah, yeah, I agree.

I think what happens to is, like, people hear it, they want to be a good person, they hear a phrase, they think they know what it means, and then they just start, you know, when you learn a new vocabulary word, you want to use it. And I know I do. Indubidably. Yeah, absolutely. So, so I think people get excited to like, they think that that's happening. I know it sounds kind of like, I don't know, like elementary, but it's like one of those things. I think people get excited and they think that that's what it is happening. so then they use that word, they bring out safe space,

or they think something is sexist, or they think, you know, whatever it is. And for liberal comics, I think it's, yeah, it just, it's too much. I think, for me, I laughed because I don't even know what the fuck to say to that. You know, when you come out with something like that, it's like, I don't know, man. It's a joke. I don't know. I don't know.

But somebody, I'd like to, we haven't addressed this yet, and I would like to, because this kind of relates to this. Somebody got on to me and Trey on Twitter about this podcast. They got onto us for fat shaming, but here's the kicker. Fat shaming ourselves. We were talking shit to each other about how fat we are and how worthless we'd been that day because we'd laid up and make barbecue and felt like shit and didn't want to do the podcast and we're lazy

and can't hardly walk a block without breathing. They're like, you know, you guys really should watch the fat shaming. And so I was engaging in back because like, oh, God, did I do something wrong? I was concerned that I'd gotten drunk and called somebody fat that I should. Now, if I'd have called Chris Christie fat, they would have jerk the fuck off. But so I was like, I was like, okay, what did I say? And they were like, you know, you and Trey were talking to each other. And I was like, hold on.

We can do that. Like, we can call each other fat. They keep going on this whole thing. And by the end of it, but I was fine. Like, you know, you really shouldn't say the F word. That's our word. And you know. But I was like, like, really?

And we can't, I can't call my boy fat anymore. Or yourself. Or myself. Getting on me. You really shouldn't say those. things about yourself. And in your defense, you are fat and worse. Thank you. Thank you. You have your mind.

Yes. Yes. Actually, like, when you talk about comedy, you guys can probably relate to this too. I don't know if that, but I growing, you know, where I started comedy, it wasn't very, very, it wasn't L.A. liberal, you know, it wasn't like that. So I sort of had to be more middle of the road and I had to

pull back in my liberalism just to, because you know, you're getting paid to do crowds. Did you find that, like, you come to a liberal place, you have to turn it up? or do you find well I... Not really

Or my I was like just a giant pussy for doing that well Drew is talking about early on right

I never Drew has a better answer for that than me because me now yeah like my like liberalism

in my material nobody gives a fuck about it in L.A but I'm still like this like novelty thing

you know what I mean like the accent I was just gonna say mixed with the accent of course so I kind of you're a unicorn I kind of

have a built pass for it for that reason like if I, you know what I mean? Because having this accent and all that shit saying those things is fucking insane to these people.

They're like, you know, holy shit. It's like I said, this whole novelty deal. But yeah, when you first moved to New York, you ran into that, right? Well, I mean, one of my favorite jokes until Trump one was just shitting on how annoying liberals are. It stopped working because now that we lost the election

knowing we can't take a fucking joke about ourselves. But I wrote that in New York. I would have never written it in the South. like it was being in New York and sort of being like, I'm boring. Fuck. Like the thing that made me stand out back home in that, like you were talking about,

I had to ride the line a little bit. And I said, no, I don't think you're a pussy because that was early in your career or whatever. When I started out, I would just like talk about myself or whatever. But when I first started talking about politics and religion, yeah,

club owners were telling me to stop and having little talks to me and people were walking out. Now, of course, there was a part of that that excited me, but I had to figure out how to like still do well and stuff. Then I got to New York. and I was boring for being that way. And I started to go the other route.

So do we run into that now? For me, it's the opposite. I don't turn my liberalism up. When we're in San Francisco, people ask us all the time, do you tell different jokes when you're outside of the South? And what they want to know is, are you less liberal in the South?

Now, but it's easier for me to be this way because we have a very specific crowd. It's the other way around. I turn the liberalism up in the South and shown conservatives way harder when we do a show in Atlanta. and then when we're in San Francisco, I turned that down and shit on liberals a little bit,

but I'm a broken person. Drew's very... Drew's very... Drew's very uncouthful, and I think that I have no integrity when people like me. I had issues growing up with my dad, and let's talk about them.

Yeah, when people like me too much, I think I have no integrity as a comic. Let me burn this bitch to the ground, so I'm not sure I should have answered the question or not. Thank you. There's no help at all. But I appreciate it. Well, you see through me.

No, yeah, like I said, I think I'm kind of a special, okay. I totally get what you're asking, and I, you know, I think for a lot of people in that situation would run into it. But like I said, I think it's a little different for me just by the nature of how I sound and what I am and whatever. But what, go ahead. Well, obviously, we're kind of going heavy on stand-up now, but I do want to continue on that path a little bit. I'm curious. Well, hold on real quick before you do, I was going to say, we, we're going to, we need to start wrapping up here in a little bit

because we got to go to that photo shoot. But I mean, yeah, go ahead. We can be a little later, whatever. Just want to throw that out there. I'm just wondering, so I interviewed recently, we haven't put it out yet, I interviewed Sarah Shook, who is a punk rock country singer in the South and she happens to be bisexual. But when you read any story about her, that's the lead, of course.

And I'm sorry, just from knowing what I know about you, that's obviously, you know, you're always a transgender comedian. I'm assuming, and I don't want to assume too much that you're very proud to represent a community that you care about, but you also perhaps get tired of that. I'm curious if that's the case. And then does the trans community hold you to a certain standard? I'll answer the one first. Absolutely, trans community holds you to a certain standard. I did a podcast yesterday, and it was about sex, love, dating, and the digital age and that sort of stuff.

I'm in a relationship 10 years. I don't know anything about dating in the digital age, but we were talking about something I misspoke on the show. And afterwards, I said, can you do me a favor and, like, go back and hit that, hit that word that I said with room tone. Because I said, I honestly know that I'm going to get shit if I, if that comes out. And it was like one of those moments of like, do I want to, do I want to have to like deal with that bullshit? And yes, so it's, so we are held to a higher standard than probably anybody else, actually. But as far as the first part of the question, being a trans comedian, like, I don't care. I'm a comic.

I'm trans comic. I'm a trans comic. Whatever. People say, are you worried about being pigeonholed as, like, you know, as that kind of a comic or as an identity comic? And it's like, you know what? Everybody is an identity comic. Everybody is. You know what?

Like, everybody has that thing that they're passionate about that Jerry Seinfeld talks about fucking nothing on stage. Like, everybody has their thing. Like, if you go back, you know, Sam Kinniston fucking screamed. Like, you know, I talk a lot about my transness and my story because very few others are doing it. And we need representation and we need to be visible and have a voice elevated in this realm. And I also think that through comedy is like one of the fucking best ways to disarm people and reach people. You reach somebody in a comedy space.

Their shoulders aren't up by their ears anymore. They've got a couple drinks in them. They're disarmed. It's actually a very intimate experience. So I have an opportunity to reach people as a voice that maybe they've never heard before. So I don't mind that at all. I'm happy to be that person and happy to be that transcomic or comic that trans whatever. I don't know how old you are, but that sounded very mature to me.

I really appreciate it. This will be much less mature. I guarantee it. When I started comedy, I never talked about being trans. I was just like a tall girl, you know, weird tattoos, deep voice. you know, volleyball playing looking. But, you know, I never really mentioned it. And then I just came out on stage and started talking about it.

And I think, like, from that point on, regardless of the fact that half my jokes were the same, it was sort of imprinted on me that I'm a transcomic versus a comic who, oh, by the way, just happens to be transgender. So I don't mind that. You know, it is frustrating when people only look at me that way, but by the same token, I wouldn't have, you know, so, yeah, I may have a tougher time getting into the funny bone, but I have an easier time getting in an LGBT center. Well, I think it'd be nice if we lived in the world.

where it was just, I'm a comic who happens to be trans, but in the current political climate, that is a big deal, or that's a thing. Yeah. You know, and I, I, I don't give a fuck. I'm just saying that is an identity. It would be nice if we lived in the world where it's like, okay, yeah, and so was the guy at the coffee shop.

I don't give a fuck, you know, like, whatever, but that ain't the case. So, of course you're going to bring it up. That'd be dumb not to. Oh, yeah, yeah, and I don't mind being labeled as a trans comic in that, but it's just, you know, it's just interesting. people now if I talk about therapy it wasn't because before it was just because I was weird now it's because I'm trans you know so it's just interesting how that that evolved but still does that or

the the pressure like you're talking about having them bleep that out yesterday does that weigh on you or you just like well that's how it is yeah absolutely um you know I definitely feel like I have to like think twice about the stuff that I say and sometimes I fuck it up and and I don't I don't say it the way that that the community would like me to represent it and it and yeah I've I've I've I've gotten a couple of times I've gotten shit but I usually I'll tell you if I don't

if I don't think I can say it in a way that either makes sense or that I usually will I'll wait I'll let somebody else step in that shit let Caitlin Jenner do it more like how you're saying about ultra-liberals being censored

and I'm like yeah fuck it you know if I think it's funny and it's sincere to me I'll probably say it unless it's you know turns out to not be like right Fucking I. Yeah, well, on that note, yeah, we need to wrap up. Thank you guys for joining us.

Thanks for joining us. Is there anything you want, any parting notes or anything? Is that right? Yeah. Hell yeah. No, yeah. That is correct. Go Titans.

No, actually, I'm a Patriots fan, so I can't. That's fine. It's fine. Not the reason. It's not the reason. It's not the reason. I expected somebody with my accent. Go Tom Brady.

Let's go. Let's go. I do. Let's go. Congratulations. I now hate a chance lesson. That was fucking great. All right. Well, Ian Jay, thank you both very much. We appreciate it. All right, everybody. We'll see you next time. Thank you all.

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