wellRED podcast - #270 - Women's Rights

Episode Date: May 4, 2022

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What a dark day in American history. I don't want to be too hyperbolic. Is that if I say that word right? Yeah, you did. But, you know, the signal that was sent from this leaked future court opinion is, in my professional lawyer, Boston College opinion,

not good. Yeah, so, yeah, I was going to open by saying, long-time listeners of the well-read podcast are pretty hip to the fact that, I'm not saying we don't get political every now and then, but we've kind of shifted away from that and really just been bullshitting and yada yada yada yada but this seems to be um a too large of an elephant not to get into and i have a question for you that will i'm sure spur the conversation along just because i'm you know dumb on a lot of things um i read one thing and then i read the other thing and i'm like well god damn it that now i

now i don't know whether to fucking you know whine my ass or scratch my watch could could the president right now, because I hear executive orders being thrown around all the time, but I'm like, well, I don't think that literally means they can do anything. Could he right now stop this from happening? Like, is it within his power? I don't think so. It's tough. Executive orders were expanded during the Bush administration. Because of 9-11. Yeah, as broad as they have been. Barack Obama took advantage of that. Not in doing anything I was super for. Yeah, that was with the banks and shit, right? A lot of them. And drones. Yeah, it hasn't. It's like a, you know, it's an argument you hear little C conservative legal minds make. I say little C meaning like people who are just like philosophically like, don't make big changes.

They've argued forever that when you do a thing like that, you can't roll it back. And that's true. So the expansion of the executive branch's powers has been going on now for a solid two and a half decades. I still don't know if, I mean, if he did, the Supreme Court could potentially overturn it. Right. And they would have to call it. They would have to, man, that'd be tricky. That'd be a wild move because even if they said, even if the Supreme Court was like,

okay, Joe Biden makes this executive order making an abortion or legal, and they're right, he can't do that. And here's why. They'd have to be real careful with their reasoning not to roll back some shit. that they like conservative justice is like some of the shit George Bush and Trump did so I don't know that'd be interested

but there's Joe Biden's not that president he doesn't have any guts he's never had guts as a politician they ran him as like an alternative to Trump they didn't want him so there's no way he's going to do that what I'm about to say isn't going to happen

but what I think would be more likely is the Democrats get rid of the filibuster, which they'd have to do to do the other thing I'm going to say, and then they put it in the law. Right. And they're afraid to get rid of the filibuster. Again, little C conservatism, because they're like, if we get rid of the filibuster,

then when we lose the majority, we won't have the filibuster. But look, I hate to be very cynical about it, and I know this bothers a lot of our listeners, but the Democratic Party, seemingly to me, is functionally in F, Yeah. We haven't done anything that we've ran on that I can think of. Right. No, I mean, you know, you said Joe Biden doesn't have the guts,

and I'm definitely not going to disagree with you on that. But my whole, like, in me sitting back and thinking about it, and like, you know, I, so I want to say like, oh, I don't consider myself a Democrat or Republican, but every time I actually hear somebody say that, the way I always interpret it is like, you're a Republican, you just want people to like you. You know what I'm there?

Or like, you just want to sound edgy or cool. But like, to me, what it seems like, and this goes back to what you're saying about Joe Biden, not having any guts. It seems like the Democratic Party's main downfall to me is that they operate under this false premise that somehow they could get everyone to like them. Like they, you know what I'm saying? Like when, does it kind of make sense? Because like when Trump, I mean, I'm not saying that Trump doesn't have a deep-seated, uh, pining for people to like him and for approval. But like, they just be saying shit.

And the Democrats always tiptoe around all this stuff. Because in their mind, they're like, no, I could be the candidate that Republicans could like too. And to me, it's like when you try to please everybody, in my opinion, you just don't ever please nobody. Like, everybody hates that motherfucker. They're like, dude, pick a fucking lane. You know what I mean? I think that's a fair assessment in terms of the way they run their campaigns. but I'm talking about actual functionality.

You know, it's difficult to point to anything since Obamacare major that they've accomplished, and most people hate Obamacare. Right, right, right, right, right. So maybe, you know, maybe I'm too far left. Maybe there's other things they did that I don't give a fuck about what other people do. But the only reason, you know, I don't want to get this in the weeds. The only reason I bring it up is just to say that, like, it's hard for me to imagine that a party that,

you know, hasn't done anything, you know, and they can't get Kristen Cinema and fucking the guy from Mansion on board. I don't see a way around this. I think that abortion will be outlawed in numerous states. We will go back to people traveling for them. Poor people will do them for very cheap in very, very, very dark, horrific circumstances.

Other people will just be trapped and have kids that they do not want. More, I don't want to say more gravely. In the macro, I think Ogre fails next, which is the case that made gay marriage a right. A lot of people are saying, I think loving is the one where sodomy was, the law against sodomy was made unconstitutional. They're saying that'll be next.

I think they'll skip that one, frankly. I think they all like getting butt-fucked. Not that that's ever stopped. And they also love abortions. Nobody loves abortions more than rich Republicans. Yeah, I mean, I tweeted this earlier, and it's true. Like, I know a lot of, you know where I'm from. I'm from Marjorie Taylor Green's district.

I know so many people that have either gotten an abortion or paid for an abortion. And aside from me, because I've done that, but aside from me, every single one of them has voted Republican their whole life, continues to vote Republican. And it's like they don't actually hate the act of abortion. It's just that the platform of being anti-abortion also falls in line with all the other policies that they feel so strongly about. And therefore, it's just checked down the box, in my opinion. I think a lot of them hate abortion until they need it. Right.

And like a lot of people are against gay marriage until their son is gay and all of a sudden they're very accepting. I've had abortions. I've paid for abortions. I paid for other people's abortions. I don't mean women. I mean other men's abortions. Yeah, a buddy, me too. Yeah.

So like, you know, I am the George Soros of abortions, I guess, that your pap all warned you about. I used to be a lot less, you know, I think I've, most of my adult life, I think I've been pro-life, but I definitely used to be a lot less, I don't know, gung-ho about it, you know, because it does feel, it can feel icky. There's a lot of shame around it. I get all that, but here's the thing.

And a lot of honest conservatives will agree with this. Some of them do quietly, because they know that they can't make any friends or get anywhere in their world by admitting this. But I've had to say it to me. It should be up to the doctor and the mother because it's nobody's business. The case itself as a legal framework

was built around the right to privacy The word privacy is not really mentioned in the Constitution. That right was something that the courts, I don't want to say interpreted, were invented. They didn't really invent it. It was something that they used as a mechanism to guarantee the other rights. So in cases over time where they're guaranteeing rights inside the Constitution, whether it be free speech, separation of church and state, whatever it is,

a lot of the property rights. I mean, if you think about that, that's probably the main one, like search and seizure. They were like, at its core, this is a private. That's what we're saying here. The word privacy is not mentioned, but that's what we're talking about. You've got to write the privacy. And once that language was used, that language became the language that was the framework

around the opinion that is Roe v. Wade. Scaling that back is going to affect so many things. And we are, somebody tweeted this, this has come up a few times already. our generation, the millennials, are the first generation in America to have less wealth than our parents. Gen Z and the generation below them

are going to be the first generations to have less rights. And that's wild. We are quite literally going backwards. And you see other people being like, well, don't freak out yet. This is just a leak. It's hard for me to...

What's not to freak out about? It's so hard for me to. imagine that this will change. That those justices would change their minds based upon any of this. As a matter of fact, I believe wholeheartedly that a conservative leaks this. Yeah. The advantages are too great to their side. Well, my only conspiracy thought on the other side would be that a Democrat leaked it because it's going to get people out to vote.

The only people who could have possibly leaked this, though, work directly. They're either a clerk or an assistant to a clerk for the justices. Every one of those people to a person is Ivy League or Ivy League adjacent, brilliant, super career-minded, very focused on the law. We're talking a very finite type and group of people. They're too smart, all of them, right in and list. not to know what the fallout would be. Right. They're going to get fired.

It depends on who did it. Right. But not only that, and yes, liberals are way too career-minded to ever go to bat for women. So right there, I'm thinking it ain't a fucking liberal, but also it's in terms of the voting thing. These aren't politicians. That's not how they think. the only argument that a liberal did it was as a warning, like, we've got to do something.

But these people are smart enough to know that that won't work. That every abortion activist in America saw this coming and was prepared for this. Everybody who needed to get ready. You know what I mean? Yeah. Sorry, let me just do my... No, you're fine.

But I said that because I said what I said about a Democrat leaking it because all I'm fucking seeing today from everybody, top liberals, every, you know, whatever is just like, oh, it's vote, vote, vote, vote, vote. It's more important now than ever to vote. And I've just, that's all I've ever heard by my entire adult. God didn't work. That's what I'm saying. And I'm like, I'm like, I hate to be this guy, but like it's starting to get even more frustrating. It's like, motherfucker, we did. We voted.

Like, God damn it, Georgia went blue. Like, we voted our fucking, we voted as hard as a human being could vote. I press that button so goddamn hard. You know what I mean? And then we vote. We've got the president. And then it's like, okay, well, this is going to happen. And they go, well, the only answer is to vote.

And so with me, it's like, yeah, they love it when this shit happens because it gets them a blue wave that is not going to be this fucking heroic tsunami that they always act like it's going to be. It's just going to be another, you know, so many years of goddamn. nothing and just being like, it's just you got to vote. And I get that, but I don't think that the type of person who works for the Supreme Court thinks that way in terms of politics. I think they think bigger. So to me, the motivation for someone who's on the left to share it would be to spur political action.

And I think, and I don't mean voting. I mean like senators and all that. And maybe it was a desperation move. Maybe it was someone who was just like, well, this probably won't work, but it's the only move I've got. I think it's way more likely that a right-wing person leaked it for a variety of reasons. One, it sends a shot through the Zite guys to governors and senators in right-wing states. The abortion laws are coming this week. Right. Not when this is passed. There's no reason for them to wait because you do it now, if it gets challenged, by the time it gets up to the Supreme Court,

then the case has already decided. So number one, it gets a head start. Number two, now, there's going to be political pressure from the right wing whatever people to fall in line with this like to not back down you may have someone like um what's the supreme court justice that's roberts you may have someone like roberts who compared to the rest of them is a little bit more moderate now he's got pressure like he could have privately said i'm not voting for this unless you change a few things right probably could have convinced cavana who's more of a um you know golf club bro than a then a you know religious guy right and then and then cavanaugh could have said i'm not going to vote for it unless you do a few of these things i think a right wing person leak this

because they are like now that we leak it this is what we've got to deliver or else right and i don't know what that means because usually the supreme court's supposed to be above that they're clearly not we i'm not i don't feel good like all my thoughts are dark not just like oh abortions ban and that's dark. That is there. That is very dark. I'm not downplaying that. It's worse than that. We are receding culturally, politically. We're going the wrong direction in a major way. We are institutionally corrupt. I mean, all these people, except for maybe Amy Coney Barrett, said under oath that Roe was settled law. And they have all, at least in a preliminary world, voted for that to not be true. Yeah, and I just, I don't understand why it's only the first like, you know, you know, two through fuck or one through 10 of the amendments to the Constitution that everybody's like, no, that, no, that is set in stone. It's a law.

And if that's our law, we can't change the law. But then when it's something like this, which is a law, all the sudden it's, but I don't like that law. So we can, which, I mean, for the record, that's all amendments fucking ours. Well, wait, hold on now. we got to do this. It just further makes me not understand why just because a bunch of slave owners in the 1700s wrote a piece of paper that it's like, okay, well, that's, I mean, that's it. That's a magical piece of paper.

And so we got to go by that. But every other goddamn thing, it's like, and hold on now. There's nuances. Like, I just don't. I mean, I guess I do get it. It's if you like the thing, then it's concrete. Yeah, I mean, we could get into a whole thing about the philosophy of the originalists and I don't remember all the other

them because Conlaw was so long ago. There is a lot of nuance to how our government interacts with one another. That's a big reason we haven't seen a leak like this. There's a history professor from my college who I follow on Twitter who went back to 1857 or 67, whatever he went back to. He said, this is the last time I can remember anything

remotely like this. Buchanan gave a speech where it was clear he knew something was going on. In other words, in his speech, he alluded to a Supreme Court case

that was about to go down as it related to states' rights. So that's a history professor going all the way back, what is that, 150-ish years or before we find anything like this leak. So again, I don't want to like put too fine a point on the leak aspect of it. Like what's happening is abortion is about to be banned in most of the country,

25 or 26 states probably. And that's the worst part. But the part that's like a long term like, wait, what's next? Fear of mine is like the way it's all happened is also not preceded. It's changing. The culture is changing. This is politics out in the open inside the Supreme Court. It's gross.

Yeah, and it's just so wild to have just how the, it's like there's a balance in this country of like things must be equally shitty as they are equally good. And so it's like we're getting so close to marijuana being legalized on the federal level. We have to be because there's like fucking 17 states now where you can get it. Every single one of these states, senators and stuff. Don't count on it. Well, all right. But you know what I'm saying?

At least it looked like we're headed in that direction. So you got what? 17 states to have legal marijuana? I just pulled that number out of my ass. That could be true. You got 25 where abortion rights are pretty strong. Right. And they just did this.

Yeah. No, I know. But that's what I'm trying to say. It's like, we are such a goddamn, at least as of late, it seems like one step forward, three steps backwards, motherfuckers. Yeah, I'm saying that I think we're going back. now pretty strongly. It might be that thing where

whatever you're living through, you sort of frame it as the worst version of this. Yeah, right. And obviously we've talked on the podcast before, not just about politics, but in general, the greatest time to be alive is now for the most part. You know what I mean? You can make some arguments if you're

a white man like the 70s were better or whatever. But I genuinely feel it's going the other way. In this country, at least, like the greatest time to be alive might have been that, 80s, 90s, early 2000s. I mean, if you're talking about just from like a, you know, accruing, having a strong middle class and all that shit, then yeah.

But then I could see where, again, where it's just always one thing or the other, I could see where some gay people would go, yes, that's true. The middle class was stronger in the 80s and 90s, but I couldn't marry Chuck if I wanted to. So that's better now. And. Yeah, but when was over, fell like, 06? I have no fucking idea.

I mean, I don't either, you know, and I apologize for, you know, for not being good but timelines. But my point is like, that was, that was that long ago. That's not what I'm getting at, but I'm just saying that we're going backwards. And that's next. Like I genuinely believe that that's next.

It makes the most sense logically in terms of the legal arguments and the way they were structured. This, this thread is very, very powerful. You know, So if rights in America for people who aren't straight and white are a sweater, they just pulled on a very key thread.

Right. But I mean, I guess we have always been one step forward, two steps back, because I mean, you've got to figure like, you know, slavery is outlawed and then yada, yada, yada, okay, Jim Crow laws. And then you've got the civil rights movement. and then the government's like, okay, let's sprinkle crack into the housing projects. And then, I don't know, man. I just don't really, I don't know how to make heads or heads or tails of it. And again, it just gets more frustrating because I'm like, man, we got a lot of motherfuckers out there that we voted for that I thought we're going to be doing some stuff. And they're just like, that's kind of what I'm getting at is like, once the Civil Rights Act was passed, people who were racist and against that went to work to undermine it in other ways.

They weren't ever able to overturn it. Right. And that's where we're at with this. And I'm not the only person saying this. I'm not like a genius or anything. It just seems obvious to me that the right to gay marriage is next. It's going to be very easy. If this becomes law, it's going to be very easy for a state to argue if we don't,

if there's no constitutional right to abortion so we're allowed to decide because of state rights, it's pretty easy to take a step from there legally in terms of just a logical argument, well, then we should have the right to outlaw gay marriage. It's happening. No, I know. This is a fun episode. Yeah, I know, but like, I guess in their minds it's like, because I'm just trying to think of this as cynical as possible with like,

okay, well, we can't do this because we'll lose votes over here and we'll lose, it's like, but they don't really give up. They have to give a fuck. Now, they don't give a fuck about the gay vote. That's for sure. The GOP's as fractured as the Democratic Party in terms of the different interests and minds. They're just a lot better at coming together for overall goals. Yes, there you go.

I totally grant you that the Country Club Republicans might give you some pushback inside that party, not to, but that's not going to matter in the state of Mississippi. That's my point. The state of Tennessee, I'm not just trying to shit on Mississippi, Texas. in the wrong election cycle will outlaw gay marriage and then the Supreme Court will have no legal framework

with which to say, no, you can't do that. They've just given it away. So, firstly, we ought not let these motherfuckers serve lifetime terms. Am I... The Supreme Court or...

Yeah, the Supreme Court. Yeah, I mean, I... I could see the... advantages of both, like if you have a lot of, if you make it purely political, then we might get a lot more political type people in it. But we also kind of already jumped that shark. You know, we've got case after case of federal judges being appointed by Trump who never tried a case. Right. You know, worked as administrators, but just their husband was somebody powerful. This country's a grift. Well, how did how Russia? You know, it's not.

Russia is not undermining us. We are becoming them. Right, right. Yeah, exactly. We just make all the movies here and it looks neater. When you're in that world, like a Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett and yada, yada, yada, what is it about you? Because I know with like, you know, when someone's running for senator, it's like, oh, they were a local congressman and they did this and they get moved up and it's like,

well, now they're going to take this next step. What is it about a Brett Kavanaugh that makes them go, okay, this is the fucking guy? Like, what are the steps to that? The Federalist Society endorsing you is a huge thing. The Federalist Society, generally speaking, would only endorse someone who either as a judge or as a legal mind argued cases in a way that they liked. You're going to have to go to law school and probably teach Amy Barrett taught at Notre Dame law. I don't remember where Kavanaugh taught. He did for a little while and then he practiced.

But mainly, at least in the past, you'd have to be. be an accomplished legal scholar who is endorsed by the Federalist Society and a few other conservative societies. You know, and this gets into like Illuminati conspiracy theories and shit like that where it's not quite as overt as people make it out to be. We're like, these secret societies are picking the next Supreme Court.

It's more of like how the world works of a very powerful person has the ear of very powerful people. And you rise to the ranks by impressing those people. we're still hopefully a few years away from someone but here's the thing like that federal judge I was alluding to I can't remember her name she'd never tried a case he just got it appointed to a federal judgeship

she has no experience she's not going to be nominated for the Supreme Court she might in 10 years by then she will have tried thousands of cases as a federal judge so you know it's the game rich people are able to play a lot where you get that low level experience

because of who your dad or husband or whatever is. And then you do have a resume after that. Right. Yeah, what was that secret society, the Bonesman or the bone, you know what I'm talking about? That thing that, like that Pacey movie, that Joshua Jackson movie? You know, I didn't never see that, but it's like. Skull and bones.

That's what it was. It's at Yale, I think. Maybe Harvard. Yeah, and like both Bush, both, I think it's Yale because Bush was. in it and he went to Yale. So it's like Bush, him, John Kerry, and they sent back, like, all the lineage of all these motherfuckers in the bones, the

skull and bones motherfuckers, like, are just the people in power. And they're just like, constantly trading it back and forth. And like, at the end of the day, like a dude, like, the way I was hearing it was like, yeah, even though John Carey is a staunch, you know,

liberal or whatever, it would have, him being a skull and bones member, it would have behooved him to vote for and support George Bush because at the end of the day they're like, look, man, you're a bonesman and that's the fucking that's what matters more than policy, that's what matters more than fucking anything.

And like, just so many of these mother, I don't, I hate. I think that that's, I don't buy those conspiracy theories. I think they're incomplete. Yeah, sure. I think that there's no conspiracy. I think it's out in the open. I don't think the issue is that we are,

we have each other's back because we were bonesmen. No, they're rich. And I mean that on a level that is borderline unfathomable, capitalism is the conspiracy in the sense that people's ability to extract wealth and hoard it for themselves also allows them to maintain and keep power. And once you enter a certain level of wealth and power, you do have the same interests as other people with wealth and power. It's not because you went to college together and you were both in bones, it's because you both own the same

types of stuff, own the same types of land, and want the world to go a certain type of way. A level underneath those people are people who are either vying to get that power and will do anything they can to get it. So they're playing a political game because they want money and power.

Or people who have very hardcore, genuine beliefs, and so they're vying to get power and do whatever they can so they can get those beliefs through. I think what you've got going on in the Republican Party right now is a very fucked up mix. of people who genuinely have dark, dark views about the world, fascism, controlling women's bodies.

They literally want a religious theocracy. Right. And they've attached themselves to people who just want a lot of money and are a little bit racist and a little bit Christian. And one washes the other's back. It's not a bone society thing.

It's fucking, it's out in the open. They literally do each other's favors. Yeah, I was about to. say those secret society conspiracy theories and stuff like in the in the age of like social media and now that like privacy is not really a thing they kind of don't hold as much water anymore because like anytime you hear somebody go like oh yeah there's a secret group of people who are controlling the world it's like no no there's like 10 families and we all know them and they're all actively trying to buy twitter yeah those are the fucking people yeah right bezos owns the

Washington post ariana huffington's a goddamn billionaire like no it's just it's these people Well, and it's also like, did you know the secret thing that John Kerry had in common with the bushes? It's that they were in the bones together. Yeah, right. It's like, is it that or is it that all their families had so much money after the Second World War that they were able to buy political seats and what they actually have in common is class? Right. And they're married into ketchup money. People don't understand. Right. Like, when you got ketchup money, you're not the richest guy in your

town. Right. Like you have interests, you know, it's like you do want to rewrite banking laws. Right. And if the people that are helping you rewrite those banking laws happen to have some policies that you disagree with, at the end of the day, the banking law is the most important

thing to you, which is where you have you know, hypothetically, I'm not, the rumor is that Lindsey Graham is gay. That's the rumor. That's not me saying it. And a lot of people are like, well, how could, I'll say. I've talked to people who fucked him. Okay. Well, he's

gay. And people are like, well, how could a homosexual vote the way he does and represent himself the way he does? And one thing that I learned, and it's been recent in my life, is that there's bad gay people. You know what I mean? Like,

he's a piece of shit who just happens to be gay. And at the end of the day, he's going to be fine and he can fuck whoever he wants. But like, at the end of the day, he's got more important things on his mind. It took me a long time because I think like as a, especially as a liberal person, you tend to overcorrect. So it's like if you meet somebody that's gay, you're like, what a wonderful person. They're gay, you know, or hey, he's a black guy. We're for black people.

Or she's a woman. We're for women. It's like, no, they're shitty gay, black and women all around. And a lot of them are in fucking power. And they don't give a fuck about the people below them that are the same as them. There's like two shitty gay black women. Yeah. They're only two. Who are they? Is Candace Parker gay or Candace Owens? Which one of them, they're two totally different people.

They're very different people. Neither of them are gay in spite of them being a professional basketball player. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Candice Owens is the worst, right? Yeah, I don't think she's gay, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, I mean, you can just be a shitty person. But, yeah, at the end of the day, I mean...

One was a DA in Knox County. Oh, word? Her last name was Fitzsimmons. She had a license plate that says Fitz. I think it was Fitzsimmons. She's one of the six or seven worst people I've ever known in my life. Like you met her? Yeah, obviously.

I worked against it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's not the DA. She's an assistant DA in the, I think it was gang and drug crime unit. I don't remember, but she's horrific. Is that, I'm certain that this would be a thing Republican lawmakers love to do is like if you're going to have someone in the gang and such division they're like well let's get a black person that shares our values because probably helps with a trial for sure i mean a lot of

people don't want to talk about this i mean it goes back to what you're just saying about monoliths and assuming people are monoliths but like a lot of when it comes to crime a lot of black folk not not necessarily a majority but more than people assume especially white people are very conservative about laws, you know, like if you grow up around gang violence, you might, turns out before tougher gang laws, you know what I mean? So, so you, yes, they do that on purpose, because if you're going to go to trial in a gang case and the person accusing the person is also black, it's a better look. Tray, uh, welcome Trey Crowder to the show, everybody. Trey, I have to assume that you probably know what we've been discussing for the past 34 minutes.

Yeah. And subjugate them, throwing the yolk back on them. Yep. Yep. Putting them back in their bonnets. Are you in an Etsy closet? Yeah, pretty much. It's Katie's, yeah.

Corey just left yesterday and I still ain't fixed up my main studio. I'm a fucking mess over here. My main studio is through that curtain and I'm in a temporary space. And yeah, so it's very, but yeah, it's very like feminine, right? very appropriate for the subject matter at hand. I guess. Sorry, I'm late. I've been out there, you know, trying to use my words to save the world. I don't know if it's going to work or not.

But, you know. If anyone can do it, Trey, it's you. I know. I believe the internet agrees, surely. But no, I think they have some evidence that they do. I couldn't. It just weren't, it weren't uploading. And then I got it uploaded finally. And then I got on hearing my camera just wasn't working.

And I still don't know why. So I had to restart everything. So everything, nothing's, nothing's hitting for me today. But, you know, at least I'm still a man. I ain't got to worry about getting pregnant. Yeah, it does help. Patriot term, yeah.

So anyway. Technology's the patriarchy. It's trying to hold you back. Mm-hmm. So what, uh, what did y'all land on? Y'all solve it? It seems nuanced. My, uh, I don't think, I mean, it's nuanced in terms of, you know, how we got here and

where we go from here, but I don't think, though, overall. It's not good. That's my professional opinion, Trey. This is bad. Yeah, what do you think since you, a logger, have you already talked about the, like the leak part or any of that stuff? Yeah. Because apparently this has never happened before. Okay, y'all talked about that.

Yeah, I think I'll give you the quick rundown. I think a conservative leaked it. I can tell you why in a moment. But there's a lot of, it makes more sense in my mind than anything else. I think that gay marriage is next. And I think from a legal standpoint, the legal framework by which we, create gay marriage as a right is is a lot more connected to this legal framework than people realize.

I think that if they want to, they could get rid of the sodomy law thing where there was anti-sodomy law and they got rid of it. They said, no, you're right to privacy. You can't do that. They could get rid of that the day after this. The sodomy don't just mean fucking in the butt, right? It's like the... As far as I know it does.

I think you got it backwards, I think. Like it, or wait, it does mean fucking in the butt for sure. But it's not just any butt. It's only a same butt. You know what I mean? I thought that there were some idiots that, like, that they thought sodomy was like anything but missionary position with your wife. I think it's anal and oral.

Is that what you guys mean? I've heard that, like, I think that the original. Is it the butt, that's the problem, or is it the balls underneath the butt? That's the problem. I mean, it depends. The definition of sodomy is sex or the mouth. But in terms of the laws that we are discussing, as far as I know, Loving was the case, which is what a great name for a case like this.

Loving was, I think, one of the gentleman's last name. It was applied to gay men, but the way the law was written, it just meant that you can't have anal sex, period. Yeah, sodomy, sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation, also known as buggery over England. The definition of sodomy is all but irrelevant because what matters in the case is a statute was on the books that said it is illegal to do a specific thing. That was challenged when someone got arrested for it who was gay. and the Supreme Court said a person's right to privacy

makes this law unconstitutional. Well, the right to privacy is about to all but evaporate because what I was explaining to Corey earlier, Trey, is the right to privacy is not in the Constitution. It is something that came out as a legal framework as people, as judges tried to back up or, what's the word I'm looking for,

set precedent as it relates to other rights, specifically the Fourth and Sixth Amendments, mostly. Yeah, I don't. I don't know. You said you thought it was a conservative like this in my cameras. Why would they do that? I feel my,

I mean, you know, I'm law dumb and whatever else, but I immediately jumped to assuming that somebody leaked it to try to get everybody out to vote. Sway public opinion or whatever, yeah. The reason I don't think that is twofold, the only people who could have leaked this at all had to be working. And I did say this to Corey,

so I'm going to go fast. The only people who could have leaked this at all had to work really closely there at the court. We're talking to a clerk or a clerk's assistant. We're talking about people who fancy themselves, every one of them to a person, future Supreme Court justices, federal judges or very, very high-end professors like at Yale or Harvard Law at the worst. Like, that's their backup plan. To risk all of that, number one, for something that they are, number two, smart enough to realize, is all but irrelevant at this point. There is nothing that public opinion can do right now.

The only thing they could have possibly hoped for is that senators would freak out, get rid of the filibuster, and codify this immediately. It is hard for me to imagine that they would be that stupid, frankly, for a variety of reasons. A leak wouldn't help that necessarily. You could wait on it to become law and do it. There's so many things that would have been. smarter. I don't see the advantage of it, and these people are smarter than me. Obviously, being smarter than me, they may have seen something that I didn't see. On the other hand,

you have some moderate Republicans on that bench, at least when it comes to issues like this. Robertson-Cavanaugh come to mind right off the top. The way these drafts work is you send a draft out and the people who agreed to vote with you go, this is too strong for me. If you want me to not just concur or vote with you, you're going to have to change a few things. I think this was sent out in an attempt to trap those people, number one. It's like, nope, we're going to leak it now, and this is

what it's going to be. We want it this strong. And if we get it out into the public, it'll have to be this strong, or we'll be seen as weak. Number two, it's so that states can get a lead on passing anti-abortion laws.

There's no reason not to. You don't have to wait on the law. Do it now. if you are a crazy right-wing person in Texas and you have the political power to change abortion laws, do it right now. By the time the challenge comes up to the Supreme Court, this will have already been decided. So it just makes more sense to me.

It's certainly possible that a liberal did it, but I don't know what their motivation. I genuinely don't know what their motivation would be. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what I thought would have happened as a result of it, but I just, I don't know. It just saying like, this is huge and the public needs to know type of type of thing. I know that you totally sink your career by doing it for sure.

But yeah. I hope I'm double wrong. I hope that a liberal did it and that their bet was correct. When would this have been finalized by? Do we even know? Does it just depend on a lot of things? It depends on a lot of things. But I would say, you know, I read earlier that.

they were looking at July. Okay, so before the midterms either way. It was written in February. Yeah. So what a, one theory I read. But before the midterms either way is what I'm saying. Right. One theory that I read that was conspiracy minded,

and this is a good one, it relates to what I just said, is that this was written in February. It's been a few months. Now would be about the time that the dissenting and concurring opinions were going to come out. So one theory was that Justice Roberts, because he is brilliant,

and he's pretty evil, but not as evil as Alito. Justice Roberts was about to put out his counter and seemed more reasonable and seem more palatable and not be what the hardcore conservatives wanted. So someone probably in Amy Barrett's progeny, when her assistants was like, well, fuck that, I'll leak it and trap his ass. you know, I don't know.

It just makes more sense for a Republican to leak it for about three reasons. It doesn't mean a Democrat didn't, though. It's just, I don't know. Like, I keep thinking about, like, Desjardet and all that. Just like, yeah. I feel like almost nobody's really opposed to abortion, depending on the circumstances. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure.

Like any kind of Kelly Ann Conway type or whatever, if their daughter comes home pregnant when she's supposed to be going to Stanford that fall or some shit like that, you know, like, they ain't going to let that stand. Like, you know, they're going to, like, they don't need to. No, no, they'll still be able to afford. I mean, you know, they can fly to fucking Switzerland or something

in a bullshit if they need to. I mean, yeah, right. It's only, it disproportionately affects four people, but that's how we roll in this country. Something I want to be very clear on, and this is not a victory, but it is something that points out something that's not a complete loss.

I'm pretty sure the way that I read this opinion if it came out right now in the way that it was written you can't outlaw abortion either at the federal level this will literally split the country they're literally saying the feds can't make this anything so it'll never be outlawed in California but a lot of them states are like dude fucking Greg Abbott already got fucking pregnant possees rounded up

fucking chasing women down or whatever. Like, a lot of them states, they'll make it illegal to go anywhere else too. So they'll start a dog. If you're pregnant, you can't leave. You try to go to Vermont or whatever. I think that that. Throw a lasso or Andrew pull you back to Texas.

Poo! Poo! Yeah. I really think that wouldn't stand even with this. Maybe I'm naive, even with this fucking setup of justices we have, because that would just affect so many things. You know, imagine then California starts saying, you can't own a gun. and if you fucking go to Texas and shoot one,

we'll arrest you for it. You know what I mean? Surely to God they don't want that, but also if they're insane, who knows what they want. And Democrats have been pussies about that kind of thing. We're not going to arrest people

for shooting guns in Texas, nor should we. Right. But it's a dark day. I think gay rights are next. And I mean, it's quick. I mean, soon. Mm-hmm.

But you don't mean on the, like, so it's federally legal to get married as a gay person. not a state by state thing. Like it is on the... It is federally protected as a right inside the Constitution. But this case, in my opinion, would make that not

really true. And so immediately you're going to have a state who says, we are outlawing gay rights. And you'll have a gay couple say no, you can't do that. I'm federally protected. It will go up to the Supreme Court. And based on this case, the Supreme Court, I think will borderline have to say,

nope. The way we now view states' rights when it comes to issues like this, it's up to the state. And so, so like, if it's, you know, federal blah, blah, blah, it's by the state, someone in Tennessee gets pregnant, they have to then go to Vermont to get an abortion. And that's obviously horrible. But when they get back, they still don't have the baby. But like, if gay marriage is not protected federally and it's still going to be the situation where,

like, California and Vermont are going to be like, yeah, but you can still do it here. But then when they get married there and come back to their state, they are not legally married in that state. That would be the implication. Right. And that was the reality for a little while. Yeah, right. Right. Of course. Yeah.

Yeah. That don't hit. Have y'all took breaks or no? No. I got to take a break. Okay. We can take a break right now if you want to take a shit. Yeah, but I mean.

Yeah, me and you got to keep going. that's how our brakes work yeah well he took that ball and rum with it uh which is fine far be it for me i missed the whole first half of the show uh but yeah yeah i don't know it felt like um felt like to me for a while there like when peter thiel or whatever went up at the rnc was like i'm republican i'm gay i'm american or whatever and he got a cheery I'm new in town.

Yeah, right. You got a cheer after every one of those and everything. Like, it felt like, because you got all these different gay conservatives now. And it's, you know, all the time they'll have people in their Twitter replies calling them queers and stuff. Yeah, right. You know, and then they're like, the radical left won't leave us alone. It's like, that ain't us doing that to you, buddy. Yeah, come on, buddy.

But I really did start to think, like, I, that they had, I knew. gay people still didn't hit for them, but that they had kind of just moved past that. Like, I never felt that way about abortion ever. You know what I mean? Like, I knew abortion, that's going to stay a thing with them always. But, and because like with gays,

it sort of felt like they had also moved on to transgender. They're like, they're the ones now. Yeah, right. We lost that war, but, or we lost that battle, but the war. Yeah, exactly.

Right. Right. Yeah. And so, but I, you know, I'm sure they'll still, if they have an opportunity to come for the gays, then they'll come for the gays. Yeah, I mean, they'll circle back to it once they've got this one locked down because they must have another, they can't go without a big, a boogeyman. You know what I'm saying? And right now it's, you know, abortion and like it'll, it'll definitely circle back to the gays. And it's just, we were talking about it earlier.

it's so, it's such a one step forward, two step back thing because like, at certain points, like when, when gay marriage got legalized federally, I'm like, okay, well, that's, that's that's that. People are going to still be upset about it. And that's, of course, fine. Like, you can't stop these people from screaming and be upset about things, but at the end of the day, it's a protected law. So what the fuck ever, you know what I'm saying?

But, like, I don't know. Now that we're walking back all those things, like, you know, as a, as a straight white man, I can't even comprehend all the other things that I'm not even thinking of that are about to go down. Because like, you know, me and you obviously going to be fine no matter what. And there's so many people I know that like, God damn. I don't know. I don't know. That's actually, that's part of what I put in the video that I just made was like,

if you think they're going to stop here, you're out of your mind. Like this is just this is just the first item on a very long list of things that they will, you know, get rid of in the name of freedom and small government. if we allow them to. And you ain't got to be gay or Muslim or whatever to be included. Right. Like, me and you, we're much further down the list. For sure.

Like, as they mark things off the lid, like, we don't fuck with the Lord. Right. Lord don't have for us. Yeah. No, I don't know. Like, you get far enough down that list. Also, we like to fucking smoke weed, do drugs, party, have a good time. That also don't hit for them.

I'm saying like there's things. I don't think anybody should feel unless you are a like prototype fucking Marsha Blackburn slash. I don't know who the dude version of Marshall Blackburn is and fucking Josh Mandel or Taylor Callthorn or. Yeah, but a lot of them are so fucking full of shit. That's the other thing too. It's like they're all they'd be fucking having coke orgies and stuff.

So they're full of shit anyway. But I'm just saying unless you're like prototypical, I mean, I don't think that you will necessarily always be fine if they are allowed to just continue doing what they want to do. Like, it goes on for long enough and like, we will be in a gulag dog. For the record, I didn't mean that. Specifically, like, I didn't, I didn't wait to vote in the camp. I didn't mean, for the record, I didn't mean it will never affect us, therefore I don't care about it. The ultimate point I was trying to make was like, I see a lot of people that are saying just that, like,

they're on Twitter. They're like, God damn, everybody's just arguing today. Twitter's such a fucking hot mess. I'm like, yeah, man, this is a pretty big thing. I understand that you might get a little perturbed with the Will Smith Oscars discourse and how everybody's got an opinion on that. But this is a fucking like, people aren't be mad as fuck, you know, about this type of thing. And like, and I see people like, you know, I don't understand. You're not a woman. It don't matter to you. It's like, right, but I get it. Nothing. That's why I said, nothing's ever going to happen to me. So I got to say something about something but yeah you're right i mean if they truly get the god damn theocracy that they so

desperately crave i mean fuck you know right because yeah it won't just be abortions you know and or plan b like how long before it's like condoms or burr control or whatever do you know what i'm saying it's like fucking yeah because i don't hit for them no it don't and like you can't we can't have that shit no because then we're going to have all these goddamn trailer babies and otherwise all over the place. Lousy with them. Lousy with these new babies that nobody wants. And they ain't going to do nothing with them.

They're just going to let them poop in the street and fucking you know, say they're going to hell or whatever. They're not like, and it just... Yeah, we do not need more people. No, from a purely practical standpoint, all the other shit aside, I'm not saying to put the other shit aside. I'm just saying like, from any direction you approach it as far as I'm concerned, it's like, this.

is not fucking good. And no one really should be in favor of it. Unless, and I know a million other people have said this too, if these people did care about, like, kids, like if they also really supported, like, fucking welfare programs,

foster care and that type of stuff, if they were consistent with caring about the quality of life of these children, it would be a way more nuanced situation as far as I'm, like, if they were like that, I'm like, okay, I see where you're coming from and I could tell you're trying to do right so but I still would support a woman's

right to choose but that would make it very different but the fact that they don't do none of that is like just it just really adds to the uh the bullshit factor of the whole thing you know because that like nothing is more vitally important than ensuring that a baby is born and then they done that's they walk away right there poop on the street for all we're that baby and its poop in the street for the rest of its natural life. They don't give a shit. And that's what really fucking sucks about it, along with everything. Everything sucks.

Nothing hits. No. No, nothing does hit. I mean, I think it'll eventually balance out. I hope it will. But also, I think a lot of people on the Democrat or left side of America have grown a little naive about how, power works. Like, the majority of people want

some form of abortion rights. A lot of people disagree on the timing and stuff like that. As we all know, almost 80% of Americans want weed to be legalized. Power doesn't work the way we were taught it does in the sense that you live

in the greatest country in the world and you're a democracy and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And everyone has equal say and we vote. And it's like we have learned over time, I hope that that's not quite how it is. I do have some hope in terms of future generations and the way they see the world. I don't think that all is lost. I think most people want Americans to have some access to birth control and abortion, but wanting it doesn't necessarily matter when it comes to power.

That's not how power works. And I guess that's why earlier, I know you weren't here, I was so focused on, I realized losing the right to abortion is the most important issue here. but what this means in terms of where we are now is also heavy on my mind because a minority of people have hijacked certain issues in this country and forced the rest of us, forced it upon the rest of us. They have successfully done that. Mitch McConnell is better at his job than anyone that we have on the left.

He's good at making his will and the will that whoever's backing him, whether it's companies or theocratic assholes, he's good at making that reality. And that's really depressing. Yeah. I'm not, you know, like the midterms related this year, I had previously had like less than zero optimism about that because we just liberals, you know, or the Democrat,

they ain't done shit, really. They've done a couple of things, but not. Nobody's happy. I was like, the left's not going to be motivated at all. It's mid-term always go that way anyway, for the most part. They're like a swing in the opposite direction. And I didn't feel like we had anybody who was going to motivate people to show up and probably going to get our asses handed to us.

I felt that way for a while. I'm not saying that won't still happen, but I guess I am saying it's like if this type of thing still isn't enough to like be a proper level of motivation, to send the message to people. It's like, you know, it's never going to be over. Like the way everybody like turned out in response to Donald Trump and won that shit. It's like that like that's all.

But you have to deliver something to get them to come back. I know. What end should people show up? For what purpose? We had every chance to codify Roe v. Wade under Obama and I don't care what anybody says. We didn't do it so we could fundraise. We've had every chance right now to bully cinema and mansion or kick them the fuck out of the party.

and we fail. We could have got rid of the filibuster, and we say we're afraid to do it because what if Republicans use it on us in the future? We have done nothing since Obamacare, which people don't really lie. Like, you're right, but what I'm saying is the American opinion

of the Democrats right now. It's like you said on Mar, do you want to be right or do you want to win? I don't know if this is enough, because we have, it's like, hey, we got to vote so we can what? Are we going to actually codify row if we fucking vote? the things Joe Biden ran on,

he hasn't even introduced. It's not just he hasn't done him. He hasn't introduced him. He's done fucking basically Twitter polls. That's why we're losing. Nobody trusts the Democratic Party. Sure. And I know that this don't hit anymore now

than it did then. But it's like, I still just don't see how, like, okay, but the alternative is the handmaid's tail. Right. Like, literally. But that's here now. and we did win and own the house.

And I'm not saying that that means I'm not going to go vote in the midterms. I will. I'm saying that a lot of people are. But they got their fucking judges in there before we won and won that. This is a fucking school. We were saying the whole time how important that was too. Mitch McConnell fucked everything up in that regard and was allowed to do it. And none of that hits either.

But like, Barack Obama fucked that up, though. I mean, he should have bullied him. He was arrogant and thought Hillary was going to win. And I'm not saying this to like just be a stick in the mud. we're not going to win that much in the midterms, and I'm telling you the reasons why. And I'm going to vote for Democrats of the midterms because of what you're saying.

It beats the alternative. But we beat the alternative, and we have no lists of things we've accomplished to prove to you why we just are going to show you what they did and we don't like. It's not a winning strategy. Don't hit. They're beating us right now.

We're having this conversation under a Democratic president, Senate and the House. Right. No, I know. I know. Yeah. If two people weren't the biggest assholes in the world, or if they had two more Democratic senators than they do,

a whole lot of this would be insanely different. It's just the fucking way... A lot of people don't believe that. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know. Well, I don't know. I just don't know. I hear you.

Fuck them. They suck. I'm not trying to act like they don't suck. They're fucking. fucking terrible, but if you don't think that the other side sucks way harder, I don't know what to say to you. Like if, and you, and just not, I'm not motivated by their, they don't motivate me to go vote.

And so fuck them. They haven't earned it. Okay, but doing that leads directly to empowering the lunatics on the right further. Yeah, I mean, this is what they want. It has two-party system. But we've gone beyond people simply saying they're, don't motivate me. Whether fair or true or not, this has gone on now for a few cycles long enough that people are normal people, not just like crazy leftists, normal people, especially young people.

They're not saying I'm not motivated simply because Democrats aren't like Republicans. What they're saying is, it appears to me that playing the, at least we're not Republicans card, is what they do while funneling money towards corporations, continuing their wars in the Middle East. In other words, people are going beyond, I don't feel motivated, and they're saying, I fucking hate the Democratic Party because they're liars. And you can get mad at those people.

You can correctly point out that the Republicans are insane. But at the end of the day, your job in politics is to win votes, and the way you do that is to make people's lives better. and they're just failing. And if you don't point that out, or let me say it differently, if I don't point that out, I feel like I'm being a bad leftist. It's like, again, I'll vote for Democrats in the midterms.

I will, unless there's a third alternative that hasn't cropped up yet that I like better. But simply saying the Republicans are crazy is not working, and it's not just working because people are unmotivated. A lot of regular Americans, despise the Democratic Party. Okay. Same, Corey. I kind of don't want to, but...

No, I guess you're right. That's fine. I think it's fair to not sing at the end of this one. All right. Thank you. Bye.