wellRED podcast - #279 - We're Getting Too Old For This Shit (Also: Is Ethan Hawke a Liar?)

Episode Date: July 6, 2022

This week the boys reunite and talk about Drew's trip to Bonaroo. They also discuss the infamous Ethan Hawke penned Rolling Stone article in which he told some wild ass lies about Toby Ketih and Kris ...Kristoferson.... or did he?TraeCrowder.com for tickets to see TraeDrewMorgComedy.com for tickets to see DrewCoreyWritesForYou.com to subscribe to Corey's blog/newsletterAlso check out Corey and Trae's new podcast at PuttinOnAirs.com

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Starting point is 00:03:09 They're the they're the liberal red necks they like cornbread but sex they care way too much but don't give a fuck. They have a redneck That makes some people upset But they got three big old dicks That you can suck What's up, dudes? Yeah, yeah, here we are. We're in a new digital studio that Cho has chosen
Starting point is 00:03:36 So things look different That's why hopefully it hits What made you Yeah, we'll see What got you on this show? I was just doing some research And I noticed that So like this one, the feature of it
Starting point is 00:03:50 That hits, this might not have for people, but like, it records y'all locally. So your video is going to look as good in the end product as it looks to you on your screen, whereas, like, normally when you're recording, like, in the stream or whatever, it's, like, compressed and shit. So, like, it should look better. And it's also recording all your audio locally, which means if something screws up, I can take the tracks individually and screw around with them there.
Starting point is 00:04:18 So, you know, just... So it's recording on. locally and uploading it to you so you can then pull those to the cloud yeah that's nifty all right who knows my internet can handle that so everybody's back together for well now the second time in the past like four or five weeks it's been a chaotic uh run here on the well which y'll do for the fourth um i uh wait me and the boys like you know i got in the pool with the boys for a while and then we um we we can see the birbank for a while and then we um we can see the birbank fireworks from our front yard which
Starting point is 00:04:55 oh it's because yeah because it's up there and it's like I think it's called like the starlight bowl or something like that it's this amphitheater up in like the mountains and there's a you know there's a shit there's one way in and out there's a shitload of people up there it's kind of a cluster fuck but we can see them from here
Starting point is 00:05:11 so we just like watched them from the front yard I also cooked out but like I'm currently trying to really buckle down and hone in on these last like 10, 15 pounds, 15, 20, whatever it is. So I made, and Katie's also like on a diet. So I made turkey burgers, right? Ooh. And I got myself all fired up for it.
Starting point is 00:05:38 I was like, I was like, no, I'd be fine, you know, I'll do like turkey burgers. I won't do any cheese or mayonnaise. I'll get some like hitting fancy Dijon mustard, you know, because I do love de jean mustard and it's uh calorie free and i was like i'll get some hitting tomatoes and red onion and pickles and all that stuff you know and uh i got those like sandwich thins oh yeah toasted those instead of like a regular bun like really health fooded it up and roasted some cauliflower and got a watermelon and bawled out the melons you know and the boys i got like i mean benton had a turkey burger but he didn't know it and i put cheese and all that shit on his and then bishop had a grilled cheese because he's a vegetarian and corn on the cob and stuff.
Starting point is 00:06:25 And anyway, I was like, yeah, that'll all hit. You know, you can, like, you can game the system that way and it'll hit. And it didn't, it didn't really hit. Not like a cheeseburger hits. I can tell you that much right now. What, wasn't even close. Wasn't even close to as good. But what are you going to do?
Starting point is 00:06:44 I made a ribeye, basted it in butter. It was a huge one. It was bone in. I like getting those. I feel like they cook different. And me and Andy went to smart mark hung out by the pool and drink. Way too much tequila.
Starting point is 00:06:59 We got an argument last night when we got home. And like 10 minutes in, both of us were like, what are we fighting about? Yeah, me and Amber have had that before. And there's moments where Amber, this is going to be shocking to y'all, but she drinks more than me. And there will be some moments where we'll be arguing,
Starting point is 00:07:19 and I can see there's like a little glimmer in her eye. And whenever she has that, I know that she's the type of drunk that she's not going to remember anything. And I can usually just be like, okay, if you just shut up right now, everything's going to be good. And the next morning she'll wake up and just like,
Starting point is 00:07:33 hey, baby, how are you? And I'm like, boom, she didn't remember shit. Also, Trey, let me change your life and make Thompson mad at the same time. Fuck the sandwich thins. There is, I'll text you the brand later, but there's like keto bread and they make Hawaiian, King's Hawaiian roll.
Starting point is 00:07:49 burger rolls that are keto and if you toast them i swear to god dude you can't fucking tell a difference they're amazing it'll change the whole game for them sandwich my goal is not to be keto or anything no it's not about they're 30 calories oh shit okay yeah yeah dude they're just great all around 15 a piece yeah so like it the whole thing yeah like it's it's game changer i ain't had regular bread in like almost a year don't miss it yeah i mean honestly if it wasn't for the fact I was making burgers, I don't think I, I wouldn't miss bread.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Honestly, I'm like, I like bacon and shit, but I'm not a huge, bread has always been just the, the vessel for, the plate, the vessel for,
Starting point is 00:08:34 you know, meat and vegetable and condiment and cheese delivery for me. And that's true for pizza. I always got like thin crust pizzas and stuff. I'm not a huge. So, but like with burgers, has that changed for you?
Starting point is 00:08:46 Something. So, but like, I probably won't touch those sandwich things. again. Hopefully, Katie eats them. Has that not changed for you a little bit since you've gotten into baking a lot? No, I mean, I've said before a lot of times the stuff I bake, I don't even eat. I like, you know, I bake it for Katie and the boys and stuff, which she has forced me to stop doing because, you know, it's making her fat or whatever.
Starting point is 00:09:09 So, yeah. Do y'all do that thing I do where when you're the one that cooks, you end up not eating as much? No, only with baking, and I don't have much of a sweet, too so I bake a lot of sweet stuff so it doesn't bother me as much but like I've heard a lot of people say that like you know I cook things it's like by the time I'm done cooking I don't even really want to eat but no I've never been like that well I fucking house it I probably go in harder than anybody else does when I get done right when it hits when I'm making when I'm making like pasta I taste it at so many different like steps through it that by the time I'm done making it I've
Starting point is 00:09:46 eaten like an entire plate of pasta you know what I mean I ate the whole time I cook. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I eat the whole time. And then when I'm done, I'm just like, well, I guess I'm full. I don't know how hell. I usually eat again. You know, I want to be rude.
Starting point is 00:10:01 Yeah, right. Not to get too technical with y'all or anything on this. But like, do I sound all right to you guys? Yeah, you sound good. This whole time I sounded all right. I keep looking at my little, you know, whatever you call it, the little, what do you call that? The green, yellow, red bar. levels thank you yeah my levels over here are fucking me up i feel like it looks like i'm hot up i keep moving my
Starting point is 00:10:24 mic down no you're not really changing anything no you're not hot at all you sound really good okay cool all right well sorry about that uh no yeah uh i was gonna ask if y'all like the fourth of july if you thought that it's like i don't know weird this year yeah if it's starting to feel you know different and whatnot. Hit list generally. I used to fucking love the Fourth of July. I also used to get really not defensive, but like
Starting point is 00:10:55 a pet people of mine was always the whole way like conservatives like act like they own patriotism and stuff. Right, right. So I would wear and yesterday I did still. I had to go to Target. You know, I wore my fucking eagle flag shirt. It's a bald eagle made out of an American flag.
Starting point is 00:11:13 I used to rock shit like that all the time because I was like, fuck that, you know, you can be a liberal queer and still love this country or whatever. And I'm still doing it, but it's like I just don't feel as, you know, rrah, America-e at present. No, I'm with you. I saw that tweet that you put out yesterday and I definitely agreed with it. But the only difference for me is that like I'm in Georgia. You know what I mean? Like, so I celebrated with my family and like everybody that I,
Starting point is 00:11:46 I saw as wearing their, you know, standard red, white, and blue uniform. So it didn't feel no different down here. Now, I feel like if I was in a group of like-minded individuals, we would probably be commiserating on the decline of civilization. But, yeah, I mean, especially with the last couple weeks, it just seems like, I don't know if America deserves for us to give it a birthday right now. Yeah, the tweet you're talking about, and hell, I maybe should have gone back and deleted it.
Starting point is 00:12:16 I think about it. But like I just got on there and tweeted that and it was something like it feels like, you know, when you got a friend who's strung out on drugs or who's really off the rails and you wake up on their birthday and you take yourself like, oh, God, what are they going to do today? Like it's going to be really bad today because it's their birthday and they're out of control. It was something like that. And I put it out there. And then like within an hour, I saw that there had been a mass shooting in Chicago already. and which is like
Starting point is 00:12:45 fits that whole analogy or metaphor you know to the it's a very raven thing to have happened but yeah it's just you know shit like that
Starting point is 00:12:59 it was it was a little suburb outside of Chicago wasn't it? Yeah Evanston because I'll be honest with you and I know this is shitty but like when I first heard they were like there was a shooting in Chicago like just went right over me
Starting point is 00:13:13 because I was just like, yeah, I mean, there's a shooting in Chicago every day. But, you know, then I found out, like, it was at, am I to understand it was at like a Jewish parade? I don't know for sure. I just saw that, you know, it had happened and then they canceled the rest of the festivities. I thought it was like a July 4th thing, but I don't know the, you know, demographics of the community or nothing like that. But it was definitely like a lone shooter type situation where, you know, like, I know what you mean. you see like a Chicago mass shooting, you're like, was that like, you know, gang-related? Right, exactly.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Sometimes that, because I've seen this does not excuse it at all, both are really bad, but I've seen it pointing out a lot. Sometimes people post statistics of mass shootings in America or whatever, and people see that and they think of the lone shooters at the schools and stuff, but a whole lot of them are not that that's also like fucking rival gangs and drive-bys and shit. But again, it's all fucking terrible, and none of it, should be happening. But yeah,
Starting point is 00:14:15 they get conflated sometimes. But the one yesterday was one of those, you know, lone maniac types. Yeah, he looked pretty rough, man. He,
Starting point is 00:14:25 he had that, what was the kid in, uh, in, uh, God dang it. Denver or whatever, not Denver,
Starting point is 00:14:33 but you know, that Colorado movie theater shooting. They've got the, they've all got them same eyes, man, like these like, they're like, they don't even have pupils.
Starting point is 00:14:40 It's just a big old black. Yeah. Like that, like a doll. eyes. Yes, it's insane. And jaws. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:14:48 They're on uppers. I mean, that's how people, like, you know, the bottom road or whatever you see. Yeah, right. Those big fucking pupils. I just always assume that's what they were fucking eating meth. Bath salt. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:05 It's wild because I've always thought that those people's brains were just like naturally in a state of the type of mania that someone's all somebody's fucking twacked out at Bonnaroo own stuff that some people's brains are just almost like that all the fucking time which is like what's cool? That's just their base. I mean maybe it is. Maybe that's why their eyes look like that.
Starting point is 00:15:28 Right. Because your pupils pulling back for something other than darkness has to do with I want to say adrenaline coursing to your body. That would also check out. that. But that's, I think it's like, it's a defense mechanism.
Starting point is 00:15:43 The adrenaline pumps into your body and certain other chemicals, you can see more clearly when they get bigger like that. I mean, I want to, on the subject of Bonneroo
Starting point is 00:15:53 fucking lighten, lighten the mood a little bit. Yeah, what's, how'd that go? Paul Coffin is a genius. Oh, dude, he's the man.
Starting point is 00:16:03 I want to see that show so bad. I think the way I would, like I made, notes that night I was on drugs to talk to y'all about it. I think if like Wheeler is 80% comedian, but like he still knows that he has to make good music so he's 20% musician. I think Kauffin is the flip-plop of that.
Starting point is 00:16:24 I think that a lot of his songs are satirical. I know they're self-aware. He's got a song called, um, uh, fuck you money. That is legitimately one of the funniest songs. of all time.
Starting point is 00:16:40 It's a Wheeler Walker song with like a little bit less you know, dick jokes or whatever. And then there's some more obvious ones that I think, is it rednecker than you is one of your songs? Yeah, he's got that one.
Starting point is 00:16:51 And that was so clearly satire or whatever. And then even cocaine country dancing, you listen to it and you're like, this is all persona based. But he sounds like Elvis. And he has very serious songs that are great. He has songs about like living in a cabin with his baby that are real heartfelt and, you know, sad.
Starting point is 00:17:11 He's got heartbreak songs. So he's a serious musician and songwriter. I wrote down to my notes, and I was on drugs and a little full of myself. But he's an answer to a question that I hadn't been asking, which is what is alternative country's problem? And it's that it takes itself too goddamn seriously. Right. And I love all of those artists in that genre,
Starting point is 00:17:32 but you see them fighting on Twitter over like, I can't believe people would call themselves outlaw country and taking shots at each other. You see a lot of them, other than Sturgle Simpson, who doesn't take himself, sometimes I think Sturgeon takes himself super seriously and sometimes I don't when he shows up outside of CMAs, you know, and it's like obviously very funny. But Paul Cawthon is like, hey, being the alternative to bro country doesn't mean we can't have fucking fun. Right, exactly. And saying about drugs and NASCAR.
Starting point is 00:18:00 And then also the show was incredible. The Turnpike Trubadors could not follow them. Turnpike hasn't played in seven years. I've never been more excited about a show and I just didn't care. I couldn't care. Paul Cawthon had taken all of my care. Really?
Starting point is 00:18:15 It was probably the best show at Bonnaroo on a Thursday night out in the camps, not even inside. But there were other great shows at Bonaroo. I've talked about, well, hang on, I got a question right after this. So we've talked about it on here recently. I mean, it's been a couple months, a few months ago probably,
Starting point is 00:18:35 but I brought it up a couple times for sure by how I've got early on-set papal when it comes to music in particular that I just haven't, I cannot be arched, as they say across the pond, to even attempt to care about any new music or musicians for months, maybe more than a year now. It's a real thing with me. So I have no idea who you're talking about. I don't think I've ever heard of this person or I've. You You've never heard cocaine country dancing? Cocaine! It kind of crossed over.
Starting point is 00:19:12 Yeah, he's got that voice. I thought I could have sworn that me or Drew had played that for you because, like, dude, he's the shit. And I went because of that song, and I liked it. And I'd heard some of his other stuff and liked it pretty good. But I'd never heard fuck you money. I mean, I thought it was great. You're saying alt-country, Corey says he sounds like Elvis.
Starting point is 00:19:32 Is it like a rockabilly thing? That's just how his voice. His voice literally like the series like, cocaine country dance, sound for me. Like he's just got that kind of like Elvis swag. You know what I mean? He had so much swag live too for the record.
Starting point is 00:19:48 It's like Waylon Jennings, Elvis and Hank Jr. That's pretty perfect. Well, shit. And it's great. And the albums are good, but live is how you got to, I have learned how you got to take this guy. And I might be completely wrong.
Starting point is 00:20:05 Like his self-awareness, might have a limit to it because I've heard stories. He is cousins with the girl who runs WDBX there in Knoxville. Tray where we did that sketch and they did all the Americana stuff. They're first cousins. And she's had him on and hung out with him before. And the rumor around Knoxville is like, he goes into a bar and like throws money onto the bar, but he won't let nobody talk to him, but he buys everybody's shot.
Starting point is 00:20:31 So he's either trying very hard to keep up this weird persona or he might have started believe in it. But anyway, it was, it was a rad country music show out in a field and, uh, we did some cocaine country dancing and it was a good time. That was probably my favorite show. I don't know that he has like a much of an online presence. I'm sure that he has people that run socials because you like literally have to, but like he, there's like a, an aura of mystery around this guy, which is like, you know, kind of like the old rocks. Exactly. Like he's living the gimmick, which like, You know, I'm not for, like, you know, don't live the gimmick so much that you're, like, doing heroin and coke and dying. But, like, I love the thought of this guy.
Starting point is 00:21:14 Like, don't talk to me, but I'm buying everybody's shots. Like, that fucking rules. But, but, yeah, man, like, I remember several years ago, our mutual buddy, Danny Pye's cousin, Zach, he told me about this guy. And he saw him at, like, basement east in Nashville when he was just getting rolling. And he's like, man, I'm telling you, this guy's about to be huge. This is the best goddamn show I've ever seen. And, yeah, he's on the blow up, trade. you got to holler at it, dude.
Starting point is 00:21:37 You'll love it. Well, I sure will try to. Some other people, though, that Papal will recognize the names of, Jay Cole murders. Jay Cole, hell yeah. No idea who he was. We're like, what the fuck is happening? And what I realized with Jay Cole,
Starting point is 00:21:53 because Andy likes him a lot, and Andy doesn't like a lot of rap. And I don't think this was on purpose. I think it might have been a little bit of luck. But basic white people can understand every word he says. Yeah. that's one of the clearest flows in rap. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:07 It's not slow, but the words don't run together. Jay Cole is probably, he's probably top five, definitely top ten Bonnero's sets I've ever seen. And I saw him in a tent on a Thursday night before his first actual album came out, mixtape Jay Cole in like 2000. You know he was? Yeah, hell yeah. But only because, only because he had been on the lineup.
Starting point is 00:22:33 and I used to do that every single year. Anybody on the lineup I didn't know, I would check them out and say who it says this type of shit I used to do. And I'm saying, I can't. That's like homework to me now. Think about, oh, my God, who's got fucking time for that? But I used to do that every year. And he was on it on the undercard way down there,
Starting point is 00:22:53 again, Thursday night, tent act. But I found him and I was like, this dude fucking rules. And again, he only had mixed tapes out then, like the warm up, the blow up, Friday night lights. And I fucked with all of them. and that show was awesome. So every like Jay Cole hit or whatever was two years plus from being released at that point. And he fucking murdered.
Starting point is 00:23:14 And I've only seen him that one time. But I assumed, you know, that now that he's massive and has a whole catalog, an entire au revoir of hits, that it would be pretty incredible. So, yeah. Damn, he's been to Bonneru a lot because he was there the year that me and you went, Drew, and I had, I missed it because of a wedding. and those people are now divorced, so I couldn't be more mad. Yeah, he's still at every level.
Starting point is 00:23:38 I mean, he's one of those where they enjoy him, they enjoy having him there, and he's proven he can do the festival thing. Some of my favorite moments that I can share. Let me say this, I got recognized more than I've ever been recognized. One time, one particular person saw me as I was sprinting out of the Mark Rivele show trying to find Brian so I could get back into it. Mark Ribley is that die who loops and sings about butt sets.
Starting point is 00:24:01 And I was definitely in pink panties. Like I was in pink panties on drugs. And people were like, Drew. And I was like, nope. So whoever that was, I was like, not now. I felt vulnerable. And I was not ready to deal with that. But one guy hung out, took pictures.
Starting point is 00:24:21 He was like, hey, for Father's Day, we're sending pictures of nice butts to our dads. Can we take a picture of you talking to Andy? you know, asking both of us or whatever. She was like, yeah, that's fine. She had on, like, chaps with like a, you know, Andy's gotten into the festival girl thing. It used to be that we just wore fucking bathing suits the same one every day, and now she has two different outfits per day.
Starting point is 00:24:43 But anyway, took a picture. I'm like beside her butt, giving a thumbs up. I see the dude the next day at Zach Brian, who was phenomenal. And I'm like, yo, can I get that picture, dude? You know, thanks for dancing with us last night. Actually, it was technically this morning. Let's be honest about it. The sun was coming up.
Starting point is 00:24:59 And he go, yeah, man. And he's pointing out, and his girls there, and they're talking, and they're drunk, clearly. And he goes, yeah, man, seeing you dance like that hit like a motherfucker for me. And I was like, and he was like, oh, yeah, I listened to the podcast. And I was like, you're telling me, you hung out with me all night. You took pictures of her. We danced together. And you didn't even let on like you knew me.
Starting point is 00:25:19 And now I just got your phone number. But he was cool as fuck. He was so cool about it. I was like, thank you. Because in the state that I was in last night, a few people were like, Drew. And I was like, I can't, I can't fucking do this. like I'm on hallucinogens or whatever. It's not going to be good.
Starting point is 00:25:35 So that was fucking cool. So that was one of my favorite moments. Isaiah, oh, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, I had somebody recognize me one time, and I pulled the whole gimmick of, they go, are you Corey Forrester? And I go, you know, I get that all the time, which I do every now and then. And they legit just walked off. They're like, oh, my bad.
Starting point is 00:25:52 And they just fucking left. So you could pull that if you want to. But Isaac, you saw Isaiah Rashad? Yeah, it was a pretty good show. His voice was hoarse. Like you could tell you know, he sings as much as he rags. Oh, yeah. But he got the key to the city.
Starting point is 00:26:06 The mayor of Chattanooga, your mayor came up or your adjacent neighbor. That mayor. Neighbor mayor came up and getting him. I don't even know who it is anymore. That's cool. Kim Kelly. Is he a lunatic? That sounds about right.
Starting point is 00:26:20 I don't know. I think he's like, what was the governor we had before the lunatic we have in Tennessee? Phil Bredesen? The governor? No. Haslam. Yeah. Haslam.
Starting point is 00:26:29 I think he's like. Or he's like, he's been cold Texas. Every fucking place. Yeah. Those guys are like, nostalgia. And Isaiah Rashad's mama cried. That's sweet. Which was cool.
Starting point is 00:26:42 It was a good show. And then I have one of those moments that it always happens every Bonner. You never know what it's going to be. There's this guy named Slow Tie. He's a British rapper. Slow Thai? Yeah. And it's T-A-I, like the, I wanted to say country, but that's Thailand.
Starting point is 00:27:00 You know what I'm. people. Yeah, right. And my buddy Adam is like, this is my favorite rapper. He's British. No one will go with me. It's like three in the afternoon. It was on one of those fucking hot days.
Starting point is 00:27:10 It was really hot at Bonnery this year. Will you go? And I was like, I'll fucking go, dude. Sure. And I listened to some of the stuff. And it was, it's like real angry rap. Like his biggest song is called Psycho. And he's got somebody famous featured on it.
Starting point is 00:27:24 I can't even remember who right now. I was like, so is this guy like the most famous British rapper? And he's like, basically, yeah, like he's crossed over. a little. So I show up and Filipino but British DJ is on stage. He has on long shorts. I swear to God from a distance, it looks like for the same goddamn tattoos.
Starting point is 00:27:44 He moves just like DJ moves. You, you, you, you, you, you, you. He's got this beautiful white mansion on this 3D screen behind him. And as the show progresses, the house just starts falling apart. and then a cartoon of him sets it on fire at one point. We got up in the pit. It was a cartoon of himself playing behind it.
Starting point is 00:28:07 Setting a house on fire behind him while he rap, Psycho and stuff like that. It crushed. It was one of the best shows I've ever seen across all. It was probably my five or six favorite Bonneros sets of all time. We moshed. I got dust all in my mouth and he murdered every song. And then he was like, I couldn't understand him. You know, he's like, this muck right here.
Starting point is 00:28:32 I was like, what the fuck is happening? He was saying to some kid, it seems like you know all my songs. Do you know, whatever the next song is? Just brought a dude on stage. It was this fat little redheaded boy with a big old beard. He looked like a little gnome. And this dude spit every fucking bar with him. The mic was hot.
Starting point is 00:28:54 The kid had it. Is he British? Nope. And he was so. other. He had a fucking redneck accent, and then the kid went crowd surfing, and they surfed him all the way back. And then when he landed, I swear to God, a girl just started making out with him. Yeah. I was like, that kid just had the best day of his life, hands down. He shouldn't even get married now. He's never going to top this. No doubt. I've been jealous of you for about a week, but not because you went to Bonnaroo, but because you still want to.
Starting point is 00:29:24 like I'm jealous of that about you. You should try drugs. No, I know, but I was thinking I was like, man, you should go this year. Like, you don't have anything else going on. Like, just go. And I just couldn't bring myself to be away from home for an extended period of time when I'm not getting paid. Well, it was too hot. If this makes you feel any better, we got invited to Burning Man, not for free, but for like as cheap as it's possible.
Starting point is 00:29:50 And it's always been something I've wanted to do. and on day two of Bonneroo, I texted those people and said, I'm not fucking coming because it was so hot. The idea of doing that, because Burning Man's like eight or ten days, the idea of doing it for more than four makes me want to kill myself. Oh, dude, eight or ten days. But also, Corey, I'd be dehydrated. I had three RVs and an air conditioning in my,
Starting point is 00:30:13 so let me just say, like, I don't do borrowers like I used to and wouldn't know. Yeah, right. Yeah, because when me and you went that last time, like, don't get me wrong, we found enough drugs and it was the first Bonneret I'd ever been to that like I did have a good time but buddy when I got home I'm not kidding I had it took me three showers to get my feet clean like three full scrubbing showers to get my feet clean I was dehydrated I didn't take a single shit the whole time I was there which granted I didn't eat a lot right so it makes sense but like I mean I was just it then that was you know we were I was 28 then me now I would never recover like I would
Starting point is 00:30:57 I would still be fucked up I went to five in a row I tent camped every time never had an RV or nothing the last one was 2013 uh and so I was 27 that right I don't seem right but I guess that's right yeah God damn it was nine years ago yeah so uh Yeah, that was 27. And at 27, that one. And now that's the hardest I've ever gone. That was a year my dad died and Paul McCartney was there. So it was like, it was a whole thing for me.
Starting point is 00:31:32 But like in a hitting way, I was so fucked up the whole time. And that one at 27, I'm not exaggerating at all. It took like six days for me to like get over it when I came back. Like I had to like like detox. Like I was sick. Like I felt bad, real, real bad for almost a full week after that last one. And I kind of knew before I even went, I was like, this is my last hurrah, I think. But then I came back and I, and that's how it went down.
Starting point is 00:32:05 And I was like, yeah, man, I'm done, I think for the foreseeable future. I might go with a hitting RV set up or something. But I'm not planning on that. It changes everything. And if the other thing that's different. As I, you know, me getting older, it's like, I went to see Zach Brown in the middle of the day on the last day, but I had been asleep for 10 hours, you know, when I woke up and went. And I went with my friend to see that slow tie show. I did no other daytime shows.
Starting point is 00:32:34 Like at the evening, like I didn't come out until like 630. I had no problem with that. I slept in that RV. I took showers. You know what I mean? Like, there was no. But I did Birmingham the Wednesday after. Mike Cooley came.
Starting point is 00:32:48 Everyone who came to Birmingham. Thank you for coming out. We had a great show. I did about 10 up top on Bonaroo. Actually, I like a lot of those jokes. Some of them didn't have a shelf up. I could keep doing them. But in thinking about it that week,
Starting point is 00:33:03 you know, because I was planning on doing some stuff up top about it, a lot of people, when they go to Bonarue or they see pictures of it, it's like, man, these people look like animals. And what I've realized as I've gotten older and keep going back is like, that's what I like about it. Like I like it like day three, I'm not at all the same person. Like the amount of dirty that I am,
Starting point is 00:33:26 I would not ever be comfortable being even in my own house. No. But just like there, I don't notice it. Something about that, all that appeals to me because at some point you're just like, it's like the first day you're like, oh, is that your water bottle?
Starting point is 00:33:39 Is that my water bottle? And then like day two, you're like, I don't give a fuck who's water bottle it is. Like, oh, germs? Look at us. Yeah, right. We've got it. Whatever it is, we got it.
Starting point is 00:33:49 Yeah, you're eating, you're sleeping, you're partying, and, you know, if you have a place to, you're fucking. And that's all you're doing. Like, that's all there is to do for three or four days. I like that. I like becoming an animal for a few days, but, you know, only for a few days. And some people have no interest in that at all. I just, it's with me, like, I just have to accept this. Like, I have a problem with alcohol, but it's not, I don't mean that I have an addiction with alcohol.
Starting point is 00:34:15 my problem with alcohol is that it torments me for so long, even if I do it one time, that I just, like, like the other day, like a week ago, I shot up out of bed and I was like, oh, I'm finally over Europe. And we've been home for like a month, but I was just like mentally fucked up. Like it took me so long to like get back to good. And it's because of the booze.
Starting point is 00:34:39 And like now if I drink, if I get drunk one night, I know that I'm beating a dead horse. We talk about this a lot. but like it's not just that I'm hung over the next day. For like a solid week, it takes my brain like five or six days to start functioning properly again with like the endorphins or like whatever the fuck it is. So like Bonner would just straight up kill me now. Yeah, I think the other thing I should mention, it's worth mentioning, is Andy and I are going to start trying in earnest like really trying to have kids. We haven't been not trying lately, but we're going to just like really try in October.
Starting point is 00:35:15 and then like not to bring it back down to a sad thing but going back to like the 4th of July and like not really feel like celebrating and all this stuff like seems like the last one there's a weird thing in my brain where I'm like becoming a dad slash this dissent and the fascism we seem to be doing there's this weird thing going on with me I've been talking about it on into the abisket like I've just been wanting the party and like it's not super healthy because that thing you're talking about, like, I'll go through it. I'll have the weekend.
Starting point is 00:35:48 Bonnaru brought me down. I barely drank it all when we did Birmingham. I had one beer with coolie because it's fucking coolly, but I didn't hang out. I drove back to your house. I slept like five hours. I went right back home. But then that next weekend,
Starting point is 00:35:59 my brain was right back to like, yeah, fuck it though. Like, yeah, you are going to feel like shit, but like fuck it though. And my 20s weren't like yours. I was in long school. Yeah, for sure. I was, you know, two IPAs on the weekend. I didn't do any drugs.
Starting point is 00:36:12 So, like, I think there's a part of me that's like, get it out while you can, smoke them if you got them. Yeah, yeah. I'll tell some of my friends like that all the time that, like, they're, you know, some of them are divorced, so they're like, re-partying now, you know? And they'll be like, I don't know why you want to hang out. And I'm like, do you remember when we were in our 20s, how you were versus how I was? I've done it. Like, I did it. Like, you were not doing those things.
Starting point is 00:36:37 I partied for a long time. And frankly, it's going to kill me if I keep. keep doing it. And also, like, I'm bored with it. Like, I did that shit. Like, I like waking up now and feeling good. Yeah. I've found that, uh, so when I'm at home, don't drink, have no desire to. It's been that way for a long time. The road remains different, but right now I'm touring alone. And one thing I've noticed, it's not surprising is it's much, much easier for me, not blaming anybody here. It was my fault. But, like, when I'm alone, I have No, I don't, shows over, I go to my hotel.
Starting point is 00:37:16 I'm drinking water and Gatorade and that's it. I'm not bringing beers up to the room. Hey, let's, let's fucking watch a movie. We're not having a podcast. We're not talking about how much we hit or let's record a podcast or whatever. Like, I'm not doing any of that. And I'm on Pacific Time and I'm usually on the East Coast or whatever. So the show's over at 10.
Starting point is 00:37:33 That's 7 o'clock for me. I'll stay up for five more hours, you know. Yeah. And then go to bed at like three in the morning. Eastern time, which is 12 Pacific, that's about the time I normally go to bed. By then, I've completely sobered up. I've been drinking nothing but water. I wake up the next day, get up, work out, and get in the car and drive to the next town or whatever, and I feel completely fine, and it doesn't bother me at all. So like, and when I'm, like I said, when I'm in home,
Starting point is 00:38:00 I don't drink nothing. So like, I'm totally cool on the, on the booge front right now. Like I've got a real good handle on it, in my own personal opinion. So, and then, yeah, then that. And so if I'm not on there and not people listening who have either come to the shows or might want to come to shows, I don't get hammered for the shows or nothing, but I have, it's almost like a ritual. I have at least a couple of drinks because it just, it just loosens me up. And trust me, y'all, if you're at the show, it makes the show better than it would otherwise be. Dude, you got to have.
Starting point is 00:38:34 If I'm so very. For sure. Especially because I'm doing a whole bunch of new. material right now. And like if I've had a couple drinks and I fuck one of those new jokes up or I forget a line or something, I'm just like, fuck it and move on. Yeah, right. Whereas if I'm sober and that happens because I have done it that way.
Starting point is 00:38:52 If I'm sober and that happens, I get in my head. I'm like, I shit. And it just fucks me up more than it otherwise would. So trust me, it's not, I'm not being irresponsible. You guys still come and have a good time and I believe you'll enjoy it more for me having my couple of, a couple of drinks beforehand. The differences used to afterwards, again,
Starting point is 00:39:11 we'd have a podcast or something. I could keep drinking. Now, on the solo tour, I'm not doing that. So I'm not hung over. I'm not feeling like shit generally on the road. Yeah, when we had that, when me and you had that real problem with sobriety that we were going through right before we recorded the special,
Starting point is 00:39:30 I felt great, you know, all the time. But I did notice on stage, I was like, I was just tighter. and not tight in a good not tight in a good way like you you want your set to be tight but you want to be loose doing it like that you want the set to be so tight right that you can just hang out and fuck around and like i'm gonna go over here for a second and i know i'm coming back to here but when you are completely sober there's no let's just do this let's just i don't i don't have it in me not for me not for me at least yeah not for me at least and so like finally i was
Starting point is 00:40:02 just like you know out of respect for the audience i'm going to start drinking again Yeah, I mean, that's how I felt too. We talked about it because I felt the exact same way. And I did that, and I have felt like it was the right move this whole time. And I still agree with you. I haven't gone back on it at all. You changed my life, man. It really made.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Take the test time. Yeah. That's for sure, dude. That is for goddamn sure. I never talked about this one ever before, but I believe the term for that is encoding specificity. How about that? That's all we're doing. Yeah, encoding specificity.
Starting point is 00:40:35 I had a segue back, but Corey, I sent you a picture of slow tie that if you can on the chat, if you can share that, I do want, no, I send it in this chat on this thing. Oh, well, you know, this had a chair. Oh, there it is. I can share that real quick before we. I've, uh, oh, fuck, I left. I have a thing. No, you still here, if you can hear us.
Starting point is 00:40:56 Okay. Still seem to be here. I had a thing I wanted to bring up and talk to y'all. I actually, it was, I put it in the group chat the other day, but Drew, I think you were at Bonarue, maybe or something. I don't know if you saw it. But yeah, before we get out of here. But we can look at this picture first. I don't know if I know how to do it.
Starting point is 00:41:15 Wait, yeah, I do. Okay, because I do want to see this guy. So you say it's Filipino, so he's not Thai. So he's not calling himself a slow tie, literally. Somebody told me he was Filipino, but now that I'm thinking about it, that don't make no sense. Well, if it's T-A-I, a Thai person is T-H-A-I. So if his is T-A-I and with no age, maybe... No, it's T-H-A-I.
Starting point is 00:41:39 Oh, is it? Okay, all right. Well, then, yeah, I would assume he's tied. I don't know where I got that, yeah. Can y'all see that? Oh, yeah, I definitely see the DJ there. Look, really, DJ, dude. Sweet, I figured out how to do it.
Starting point is 00:41:56 He moves like him. And he kind of spits like him, too. And he definitely has his spirit, like his impish fucking, spirit. He's younger and angrier. I mean, it kind of reminds me of old DJ. That guy made me realize, I don't, maybe we've said this about DJ before, but I can't remember thinking this about DJ. And I know this almost sounds nonsensical, but I feel like DJ is like something about DJ. Yeah, right, but he's like, he's like a sweet trailer joker. Yeah, yeah. Specifically the Jared Lido. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Well, in look. Like, yeah. In looks. Yeah. Yeah. No, I, no, I, I, I said sweet. The Joker's very not sweet, but he is chaotic. Yeah, right. So it's like, you know, like if the Joker was sweet instead of evil, but still just as like chaotic as he is, right, then, you know, because he's definitely impish. And yeah, that's how you get DJ. But I never thought that until that picture got pulled up. So I've, I've like subconsciously thought it because every single time I see the suicide squad poster or something with Jared Lido in it, I go, that's. DJ with green hair.
Starting point is 00:43:07 So let me, before we move on, let me do like a quick few things, just because I know that people care. Zach Brown, I mentioned it, is great. He's the real fucking deal. I was texting BJ. I was like, this kid, he's like, I know. His band's great.
Starting point is 00:43:20 The songs were great. He was better than I expected him to be. That kid's the real deal. Tool and Pusiper were incredibly. I don't think I'm in. Oh, they were both there? Yeah. And Maynard is just hilarious.
Starting point is 00:43:34 He's something else, man. was awesome. Stevie Nix still got it. Like, unbelievable. It was so good. And then the various DJs, I liked some of them, but then you never know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:43:47 You're like, well, maybe it was... Yeah, but I always felt like, right, I always felt like in that scenario, like those guys, I wouldn't just put their shit on in my headphones, but at Bonnero's,
Starting point is 00:43:58 on drugs, middle of the night, they pretty much all smash for me. I've never been to one of those shows that didn't hit for me in that context, you know. Pretty lights is one of the best goddamn shows I've ever seen in my entire fucking mind.
Starting point is 00:44:11 Of course, I was out of my mind, and it was 2 a.m. or whatever, but it was unreal. STS 9, too. Was great, but was too much. It had a lot of harsh, you know, and I didn't dig that. There was someone called,
Starting point is 00:44:25 it was either head chatter or chatterbox at Where in the Woods, who we realized halfway through the set they were singing. Like, the mix wasn't just a track they were DJing while actually singing. And that was, that was really, oh, that's wild. Yeah, and it was, yeah, I've never seen.
Starting point is 00:44:41 I've never seen nothing like that, but I respect that. Do you all know the suicide boys? No. Someone describing to me and I was like, that sounds horrible. It sounds like emo rap or metal rap. It was Mexican pirate rap's what it looked like because they had a skull with a bandana tied in the front. I couldn't see their faces. I don't know if they're Mexican, but you know how like the Cholos tied the bandana.
Starting point is 00:45:03 the front. I'm talking about gangster movies from the 90s. They had that and it looked like a musical. It was on the witch stage and it was awesome. So anyway, that was my, I just want to do a quick rundown. These are people who have hit for me, especially Zach Brian
Starting point is 00:45:17 and Paul Kaufen. That does. Yeah, dude, Carlton's the fucking man. And Toby and Gawai I said his name all fucked up. But that guy who says, try Jesus, don't try me because I throw hands. I thought he was just like a TikTok star because that was funny. Nope. He's like
Starting point is 00:45:33 a whole thing. It looked like a cult. I mean, on purpose. He made more green. It was cool. All right. Sorry. Go ahead. Like he just said, hey, if you're coming to see me at Bonnaroo, wear green. No, no, no. He had like 30 singers on stage and his whole family, including his children, and they were wearing green, and his wife is his backup singer, and his real positive message. I don't know if he is actually in a cult, but it was awesome. Yeah, right. All right. It's a little early for this, but still, I think it's, we're in good enough shape to say. I want to bring it up right after this break. So,
Starting point is 00:46:09 show's going to know immediately what I'm talking about because we were texting about the other night, but I do think it's wild. Preface this by saying it is not my intention to shit on any person involved with this story. It's a bunch of famous people involved with it. I just think it's worth reflecting on and sort of fits the general theme of this podcast.
Starting point is 00:46:25 I know we all remember. It's wild the impact that this article had because I've met so many people. I've met. so many people who share a sensibility or taste of music or whatever over the years with me, and I swear to God, every one of them has read this same magazine article from 2009, which is a real testament to it, I think. But I know we've all read Ethan Hawke's Rolling Stone profile of Chris Christofferson.
Starting point is 00:46:55 He wrote in 2009. Again, everybody I know that likes Alt Country, AmeriCorps or Maricom or whatever, has all read it and all loved it, right? So a couple of things in that it's a profile Chris Christopherson. It could not possibly make him sound like a more bad ass motherfucker. Now, of course, he is very much a badass motherfucker. He's a Rhodes Scholar and a fucking army bet and all this stuff. Literal genius and also a songwriter and a hit an actor and just one of the hitting this. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:47:23 Hitting this motherfucker that's ever walked to face of the earth. And Ethan Hawke's profile gets that across pretty well. It also has some sort of political elements to it, which of course hit for me at the time. And like country music politics too. So there's a couple of things involved. There's this famous part of it where he says that he was there. And they were backstage at some music festival or it was Willie Nelson's birthday or something like that. It was Willie Nelson's birthday, yeah, 77 birthday.
Starting point is 00:47:49 So there's all these country stars there. Toby Keith was there. And according to Ethan Hawk, Toby Keith walked by and said, hey, none of that lefty shit out there tonight, Chris. And Chris Christopherson grabbed him and threw him up against the wall. I was like, what did you say to me, motherfucker? I whip your ass or whatever. basically. And then after that, compared Toby Keith
Starting point is 00:48:09 to a quote that he said Waylon Jennings made about Garth Brooks, which was that dude did for country music what panty hose did for finger fucking. Right? And so great lines. This is like the hitting this part of the whole article,
Starting point is 00:48:28 right? Because at that point, this is after like we'll put a boot in your ass, whatever. A lot of people who are of our cut from our cloth were already like fuck Toby Keith at this point in time, you know, but you know what I mean. It's like, yeah, he ain't hitting for me. And it just checked a lot of boxes
Starting point is 00:48:46 and it hit for a lot of people. Then I find out years, years later, I heard somewhere online and then I asked our buddy, W. Earl Brown, I don't think he'll mind me saying it. W.R. Brown, who knows Chris Christopherson personally because he, like, wrote a movie that Chris starred in, and they've worked. And Toby Keith.
Starting point is 00:49:06 And he knows Toby Keith very well, too. So I heard something, and I asked Earl about it, and he confirmed that it was totally true. And that something is that apparently Ethan Hawk made pretty much all of that up. And that none of that ever happened. And at Chris Christopperton's like, no, I got the utmost respect for Toby Keith. And he hits for me. And I never would have said that. And Toby Keith was madder than fuck about it.
Starting point is 00:49:29 Very understandably so. He was like, no, that's complete. bullshit and none of that ever happened and like I just and he made up other things too like he apparently in there he talked about Chris being a helicopter pilot in Vietnam or something like that and he was in the army
Starting point is 00:49:43 but he was never in combat and none of that was true either and he just made he could fly a helicopter but I know that because of that famous Johnny Cash story so I guess he just conflated them he was like a pilot but he was stationed in Germany during Vietnam or something like that he didn't have a combat role
Starting point is 00:50:00 but Ethan Hawk made it sound like he did he's made all this shit up and we were texting about it the other night and it's like dude really thinking about that like it's insane that is fucking why that is a sociopathic crazy insight and Ethan Hawk has always smashed for me and that article smashed for me he hit for me even harder after that I love Ethan Hawk but that is like that is some wild shit to do because the people involved that you have to know you're making this shit up about the people involved are super. high profile people who are going to hear about this. They're going to have a platform to respond to it. And it's all being done for an article in Rolling Stone. Like, you have to know that you're going to be outed eventually for like doing that. So to still make the choice to do that is like, that shit is, it's just, it's wild.
Starting point is 00:50:56 And I just wanted to. Have you ever commented on it? I don't know. I don't. I don't. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think so. The funniest or best response would be, well, I made my friend Chris look cool.
Starting point is 00:51:08 And the person I made look bad, Toby Keith, I don't respect him as a person, an artist, or a human. And if he's got a fucking problem with it, come see me. That would be hilarious if he just came out. Yeah. And the reason I bring it up that way is not to, like, make him sound cool. But, like, that is sort of what he's saying to Toby Keith. If you put that in Rolling Stone, it's like, I'm Ethan Hawk. I couldn't be higher profile.
Starting point is 00:51:32 in terms of who's writing a Rolling Stone article. He has to be the most famous person that's ever written a Rolling Stone actual article, not like an op-ed or whatever. So you're kind of daring Toby to confront you, which does him. Yeah, I know, but not for me, not in this instance, just because it's complete fabricated bullshit
Starting point is 00:51:50 because, like, say what you will about Toby Keith, and I know that we all could, but, like, now that I'm thinking about it, it's like, dude, Toby Keith would never, to Chris Christopherson say that shit. No. Like, never, never in a... I don't think he would...
Starting point is 00:52:05 I don't think he would say that to anybody, but if he did, it would be like... Hold on. He wouldn't say it to anybody. He said it very publicly about the Dixie Chicks. He quite literally started that. So he'll say it to women. I mean...
Starting point is 00:52:17 I'm not, no, no, no, no. Chris is a man. Like, so that's completely different. I'm saying, I'm saying... And stop that. I'm saying... He did. And that's true.
Starting point is 00:52:27 Shirts that said, fuck you, Toby K... It said F-U-T-K, but... Well, what I was going to say... was I could see him saying it to hypothetically if he's doing a show and he's got an opener and maybe they have some political songs I could see him going hey
Starting point is 00:52:42 this is my show none of that lefty bullshit I could see that but like dude it this is a perfect point you brought up yeah I can see him say it to I don't think he'd say it to Chris Christopherson no I don't know and well first off he didn't yeah well that that's all I'm saying
Starting point is 00:52:57 like there's a difference between and there shouldn't be but there's a difference between him saying it to the Dixie Chicks and saying it to fucking Chris Christopherson's face. Like he didn't say to the Dixie Chicks' face. Yeah, right. That's what I'm saying. Like, I'm not, I'm not saying, I think this guy's a way more respectable person.
Starting point is 00:53:15 I'm just saying like, no one, because what Ethan Hawke wrote in that is like, afterwards Chris Christopherson threw him up against a wall. Well, that didn't happen, but that is what would have happened had fucking Toby Keith done that shit. And Toby Keith is a lot of things, but stupid ain't one of them. Well, Toby Keith's huge, and I know Chris Christopherson is a certifiable badass, but I don't think 65-year-old Chris Christopherson could have handled Toby Keith like a rag doll.
Starting point is 00:53:43 You know what I mean? Maybe. We should have all been a little suspect of that because also there's just like security around. I mean, I guess security would be like, I don't even know what to do, how to enter into this two famous people. It just hit so hard that we had to believe it. Right. You know what I mean? It was just one of those things.
Starting point is 00:53:59 We're like, oh, my God. And it's like, it's like Ethan Hawley. totally knew that too it's like you know what I mean it's like yeah there no one will question this right and it did that was what that's a huge part of what made the article hits so hard was because all that yeah right it's like pandering to people like us you know when that came out big time it's like this is fucking awesome and everybody read it i guess but like knowing that it was how we as an audience and i don't know if he gets credit for this or if it's luck we as an audience barely existed then and i don't mean we didn't exist but like isible and stapleton and
Starting point is 00:54:32 All that stuff hadn't really happened yet. No. Pre-Twitter, too. Like, knowing that there were people who would get real hype about that, who weren't just like, you know, they hate Toby Keith, you know what I mean? But, like, no, people who actually love country music and love Christoperson. I mean, look, dude, fuck Ethan Hawk, but, like, he did a good job. Oh, the article's awesome. It's just, like, to what Tray said, like, I genuinely, it actually gets more crazy the more I think about it.
Starting point is 00:55:00 Because, like, I texted this in the group. I texted this in the group, and I mean it, if it wasn't Ethan Hawk and it was just like, you remember that million little fibers, dude? Like, if it was somebody like that, who Oprah famously had him on, or not million little fibers,
Starting point is 00:55:15 million little pieces, million little fibers was the parody that did on South Park with Towley. He wrote a book called him. He pretended to be an addict, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He made all this shit up and like Oprah gave her, you know, that was back when like if Oprah
Starting point is 00:55:29 had you on the show with a book, you're fucking selling a million. copies. And it turns out that all of it was bullshit. But that guy was completely obscure. Right. And he was trying to hit. And I understand some person like that. Like, I'm just going to put shit the hits out here and, like, I could see like a person who's like, I just got my journalism degree and I really need to make a quick buck. I'm going to write this insane bullshit to Rolling Stone. But like Ethan Hawk. But not. And it smashes your credibility. But also, but doing it, I don't, I don't remember the million little pieces person. But their story did not.
Starting point is 00:56:02 involve other like famous people no it was just right yeah that also is a huge part like i can see somebody trying to make a name for themselves doing that too but not about hugely famous people who will be asked to respond to it inevitably and then when you add in the fact that it's a famous person doing it in the first place in a very high profile platform or whatever but real quick as you reminded me of it one thing that one version of that does kind of hit for me that i just found out recently a version of the million little pieces thing, is I've just read on the internet the other day that apparently, and I guess it's still a little bit disputed,
Starting point is 00:56:37 but apparently now most people think that, y'all know Frank Abagnale from Catch Me if you can? I heard this too. Yeah, the Steven Spielberg movie for that book about this guy who was like one of the most legendary con man. Biggest con artist of all time who duped the FBI and duped all this shit. Apparently, he actually made all that up.
Starting point is 00:56:59 But that super hits for me. Yeah, because it's like, you know, that's a con. Like, yeah, he conned the whole world into believing he was the hitting his con artist of all time. So it's like, yeah, it's a metacom. So it's like he kind of is one of the hitting his con artists of all time, even though he made all that up. But yeah, so. And it was legal what he did because it's like, yeah, we made fiction here. I'm not.
Starting point is 00:57:21 Do he still work for the FBI? I don't know. I mean, he got to be old as fuck now. He's worked for them very briefly. Yeah. Yeah, right. He's a consultant. I just want to say, real quick, I don't want to defend Ethan Hawke in general because I don't like that he did it.
Starting point is 00:57:36 Like, he tricked me. He tricked us. It was pointless, et cetera, et cetera. But the part you're talking about is the craziest, but is the only part that I like. The fact that he did it about famous people that he then has to go be around. Yeah, right. There's something about that where it's like, well, look, I mean, if you're fucking crazy enough to do that. I mean, the dude wrote a lie about Toby Keith.
Starting point is 00:57:57 whose whole persona is, I will beat the fuck out of you. I'll put a boat in your ass. Legitimately 6'4, 200 pound, and he doesn't like Hollywood liberals. That's another part of his persona. So for Ethan Hawk to be like, all right, I'll make up a whole lie about you getting your ass kicked, and I'm not anonymous. I'm going to go get the Hawke out in the world. That part does kind of hit for me a little bit because it's like, all right, you hurt Toby the one way you knew you could.
Starting point is 00:58:22 Right. This is a very specific way to hurt Toby Keith. It's psychopathic. But it hits for me that, like, you'll stand. behind it. You will now go be in public. Did Toby Keith sue him? Because he 100% could.
Starting point is 00:58:36 He wouldn't want it to be, you know, if Toby Keith sued Ethan Hawk and Roland Stone, that would be in the news more and then it would just be. Yeah, right. The Barbara Strassand effect or whatever. But like, dude, like, again, fuck Toby Keith, but like, buddy,
Starting point is 00:58:51 if I, if it was me and I had to walk around knowing that there's, because a, lot of people don't know that this is bullshit like they've read that and that's that's it that's the truth if i had to walk around knowing that people thought that i insulted chris christopherson i would be in a constant strain like all every day i would have a sign on my head that just said ethan haught made all that shit up and i'd walk around with it all the time yeah because that's definitely the worst part i think for if you're toby keith is like the i don't think he gives a shit about
Starting point is 00:59:25 the like to you know the political aspect of it it's right as a country music star the idea that he would disrespect uh christ christ christoperson to his face pause so first of all and i forgot this about the article he doesn't say it's toby keith no that's true but if i recall correctly he makes it very clear that that's who he says he says i won't name names but it's a guy who like wrote a song about putting your boat in an ass. Well, all I was going to say, it undercuts my modicum of defense of him, which is like, yeah, just fucking say what you mean, bro.
Starting point is 01:00:01 Yeah, right. Hold on. I'm, I'm like reading this now. This is an old article, and it says, the Rolling Stone story brought a denial from Keith, and Christofferson himself has retreated from the situation. Actually, I like Toby Keith, but I don't agree with his politics, blah, blah. There's a lot of things in artistry
Starting point is 01:00:19 that would transcend politics, and he says, I don't remember the exchange with Keith, but my wife does. Hmm. That's something that happened six years ago, and I don't remember what I have for breakfast. Wait, so are you suggesting what if Christopherson, although he's famously sober.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Like, he's pretty famously, hasn't had a drink in like 30 years. He's also, you know, I mean, he was old even then. Oh. So what you're suggesting is maybe it did happen, and Chris Christopherson, Maybe it happened. Toby Keith didn't like the lot.
Starting point is 01:00:55 It painted him in. And Chris Christofferson also was like, and I don't want to seem like a guy who's like hair trigger. We'll just say that it didn't happen. But he didn't say it didn't happen. He said, I don't remember that. Oh, okay. And then he says his wife does.
Starting point is 01:01:09 Okay. I mean, that's interesting. Yeah. It does. Well, now we've talked ourselves in believing it again, is making it. I do. I'm on, yeah. I do believe it.
Starting point is 01:01:19 I mean, because again, dude, again, how fucking crazy. would it be for Ethan Hart to make this shit the fuck up? Also, it sounds like some shit that would have happened. I will say... No, I believe it. Drew's right. Okay, but I'm just going to say,
Starting point is 01:01:34 devil's advocate, because I know, you know, again, he wouldn't mind me saying this. You know, Earl knows both parties personally, and Earl told me straight up that it was bullshit and never happened. Now, of course, he wasn't there that night.
Starting point is 01:01:51 Toby Keith would all. also tell Earl that it didn't happen. And if Christyverson doesn't remember it or whatever, then he would have told Earl that. So that don't necessarily change anything. But Earl told me like point blank that it was bullshit. But again, Earl has the same, like all Earl has is the same information we all have, which was Chris Christopherson and Toby Keith both denied it.
Starting point is 01:02:11 That's all Earl, like, again, it's not like, like you said, if Earl had been there had been one thing. Dude, this shit fucking happened. This shit fucking happened. And Chris Christopher said. He said. Didn't deny it. He says he can't remember that.
Starting point is 01:02:24 Dude, Christopherson was having like a brief moment of senility or he has changed his medication because I'm sure that he suffers depression. I know he's an alcoholic for a long time. Dude, this one-hers-happ. Or it's the coolest fucking response to, did you threaten and punk out
Starting point is 01:02:40 one of the alleged badasses of countries? I don't know. Well, I remember, won't you ask my wife? Hey, hey, just another day, man. Happens all the time. I've forgotten more. up-and-coming country artists that I've threatened to fucking murder than you'll ever do in your life. Yep, I'm for it, man.
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