wellRED podcast - #28 - F**K Nazis! + Mona Shaikh & David Smalley!

Episode Date: August 16, 2017

Don't really know what to say about the events that took place this past week. Of course that doesn't stop us from trying,but man - what a fucked up situation. The first portion of this episode is the boys doing a remote podcast from each of their respective homes (California, New York, Georgia) discussing the protests in Charlottesville and just Nazi Scum in general.The second portion is an interview with the hilarious Mona Shaikh in Trae's Burbank guest house (Friend of the show David Smalley also sits in with us!)Mona is a comedian who was raised in Pakistan - so yeah, religion gets brought up. Don't wanna give too much away because this is one you are gonna wanna hear for yourselves! About Mona:Mona Shaikh combines a South Asian sensibility with Americanized values cherishing the First Amendment—the right to bear big mouths. And her fresh, fearless, free speech has raised eyebrows. With her offbeat sense of humor Shaikh is a tightrope walker striving to maintain equilibrium while dealing with conflicting forces. With half of her life spent in a prominent conservative Muslim household in Pakistan, and the other immersed with America’s entertainment and culture, Mona knew she was set out to break boundaries. Today Mona resides in Los Angeles, Calif., pursing her career as a comedian and actor while developing her upcoming One-Hour Special and Comedy TV series. She also made history by becoming the first Pakistani female Comedian to headline Hollywood Improv. Mona was most recently featured in Newsweek, The Guardian, LA Weekly, New York Post, Huffington Post, Washington Post and BBC. Mona recently headlined The Real Flava Comedy Club in Dubai and a show in Lisbon, Portugal. She recently got her own show and again made history at The World Famous Comedy Store in Los Angeles called Minority Reportz with a launch of sold-out shows.Info for Minority Reportz can be found here!! Of course you all know David Smalley from his insanely popular podcast Dogma Debate. For more, click here!wellREDcomedy.com for tickets to all of our shows and to buy our book - The Liberal Redneck Manifesto: Draggin Dixie Outta The Dark Subscribe, leave us a review, and tell your friends.... skeeeeewww!!!!

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we'd recorded one while we're in Los Angeles together and then all this fuckery and Charlottesville, excuse me, happened. And considering who we are and who we try to represent and, you know, our accents and all that, we thought it would be disingenuous if we did not comment on it. So we went and recorded a remote podcast while I was in Georgia, Tray and Burbank, Drew in New York, so we did a little call-in because, again, there just was no way we weren't

going to say something about it. And to sum it up, fuck Nazis. to death in the butt. So anyways, enjoy this podcast, and we love you so much. Scoot! Well, well, well, well. Hey. How you doing, buddy? We're live on the, well, we're not.

It says we are, but we're not. We're doing that thing where we're not together again. It's worked out better this first five seconds than it did the last first five seconds. This time, we're using Google Hangout, so we'll see how this goes. And all the time around, because of using this, we can see each other, which may or might not help. It's helping me. Yeah, it looks good. So we, the reason we're not together but doing a podcast, we were just together for like three days very recently.

But then the day I left, all that wacky shit happened in Virginia. And we felt like it would be, it wouldn't be right for us not to talk about. about it on this week's episode of the podcast. So that's what we convened a special remote edition here to do just that. I mean, you know, I felt like I already said all there is to say about it in my video yesterday. Yeah, you solved you solved Yotsi-Nazi-Nazism in three minutes as you do. Yeah. But I'd love to hear Corey's thoughts.

You're talking specifically because of the area that I'm currently in? Uh, no, just the way you look more so than just looking at you right now. Like, I was just like, I mean, the three of it, well, the three of us, I mean, you know, we look like we're on a stormfront for them right now recording this thing. So, uh, well, because we're very, very white males and you just, you're, you know, the baldness and just, I don't know, I've said before, you got a whole Alabama man aesthetic to you. So, you know. Yeah, I do. And I'm in a basement right now recording this. So it is like a little. Alex Jones theme going on, I guess. We're fighting it with Google.

We're fighting Nazis with Google Hangout, which apparently is how the alt-right got started. Yeah, no shit. I mean, oh, man, did you all, have y'all, have y'all seen that, so like Patreon and GoFund me and Kickstarter and all that? They don't allow, not alt-right, like, fundraisers. They kick them off or whatever, you know, defund them. So they started their own. Have y'all seen this?

You know what it's called? No, but I'm excited. Hatri-on. Oh, God. They literally named it, Hedrian. All I could think about is, y'all know that Mitchell and Webb sketch from the UK with the Nazis. Are we the baddies? I just, why skulls?

Are we the baddies? It seems a bit much. Well, I got on Stormfront or Daily Storm or some shit earlier. Somebody had shared a link. I got curious. I started clicking around. And some dude had written about the origin. of the alt-right.

And he was talking about how one of the things that got it started is they started owning everything people said about them. Like they stopped denying things and they just owned it and that's why they started wearing Nazi symbols. It was like meant to be ironic. I don't know if I buy that entirely.

But I could see how like, you know, if you're a real big, hateful racist with a sense of humor, you're like, fuck it, we'll call it Hatryon. Get it? It's a pun. And also we murder Jews. Well, I think, you know, If I'm somebody like Patreon and GoFund me, I absolutely, I don't think these people, the alt-right should be able to do fundraisers because, in my opinion, take a page from their playbook, they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and, you know, work for every dollar that they get. They shouldn't just be taken out goddamn donations. Am I wrong?

Isn't that one of their whole things? It seems to be. Yeah. So, I mean, ostensibly. But anyway. Either want to kill communists or be one. I don't know. What the fuck.

So I diverted from the original question, which is just, what about it, Corey? I was diverting myself. Man, you know, I would love to say that I'm thrown for a complete loop on this one. I mean, it's not that I saw exactly this coming, but, you know, this was a, this was quite a to do, to put it, to put it like. And I'm, I'm having a hard time just wrapping my head around like the, the, blatant hypocrisy of, and I'm not going to be the first one to say this. I'm sure we all, at some point, when it first happened, I'm sure this immediately came to most people's mind, but just the complete hypocrisy of all I've heard for goddamn hell a year

is that, you know, Colin Kaepernick should shut his mouth and fucking play. And that's, it seems a huge deal when he has this peaceful protest. And then we have these goddamn Nazis carrying fucking tiki torches, which is hilarious to me, tiki torches down the street spewing fucking blood and soil blood and soil and everybody's like well you know we're supposed to hear everybody's fucking opinion i don't know what the democratic parties come to if they can't be tolerant of both fucking sides i'm just i'm frankly it's making me sick to my stomach well see so yeah that is sort of why i asked you because you said there at the end you're like and yet now this is happening and everybody's saying this and so like down there where you're

at in chickamauga is everybody's saying that? Honestly, man. I haven't... Is it pro-Nazi? No, I actually haven't seen a lot of anything, which is, I guess, I guess better than if I'd seen a lot of people. I'll say this.

I haven't seen anybody really come out and go, you know what, God damn it, they have the right to fucking do-da-da-da-da-da. But I also haven't seen anybody come out and I haven't seen any of those same people come out and condemn it, which again, that is better, you know, not. I'm not saying in this situation from that particular group of people not saying anything to me is definitely a step in the right direction. But I know you were talking about, you know, our silence is being complicit. Yeah, I wasn't talking about the assholes who typically would sympathize with them. I meant like the people that are like the three of us who would just like let it slide because it was easier or whatever.

Right. And that's what I mean is that the fact that I haven't hurt, the fact that it seems fairly indefinitely. to some of the people that I could see defending. And I'm like, okay, well, that's at least a positive thing. So now I hadn't seen, most of that horseshit I've seen has been on, you know, people sharing links and yada yada. But again, you know, they're sharing a link of a blog that one dude wrote. That don't mean it's an entire, entire group of people. You know what I'm saying? So, I don't know.

It's been. Do you think those people you're talking about if the alt-right and the guy, the people in Charlottachville and stuff, if there was none, if there were no swastikas at all. If it was just Confederate flags, they were saying the exact same shit, but there was no Nazi element at all to it. You think it'd be a different story? I know it would be because that's literally, that's the only thing. That's, the Nazi symbol is the only thing different in those marches and the ones I've already seen this past year. That's kind of like they're going, all right, you're cool with that. Let's see we can go. Let's say, yeah, y'all are cool with the fucking frog. Let's see if we can put the actual Nazi symbol.

Like, how far can we go? So, yeah, no. Because everything they were saying doesn't sound too far removed from any bullshit I've ever heard. But, yeah, the still people in the South, they see the Swastika and they're like, now, now, hold on. But, no, no, we hate Jews as much as the next guy. But we also, you know, hell, their grandfathers were in that fucking war. You know what I mean? So that's not, that symbol does not hit for them.

Right, yeah. No matter who you are. Drew drop. Yeah, my pap off all the Nazis. Fuck them. Hope they die. to answer your question that you're just getting at terms of what are people saying, I pulled up, I put a big rant post because, you know, I'll be doing that.

And about the fifth, sixth comment was from a guy I grew up with, who I like a lot, who's very conservative. He's a sweetheart. His name's Dave. This is what he wrote. Dave is a guy who rocks the Confederate flag proudly, but says it's, you know, about her. And look, you know, I think he's confused, but I do think he has a good heart. This is what Dave said.

It's ass hats in Virginia that make, it's those ass hats in Virginia that make the rest of us southern boys look bad, whether or not you're for the flag, history, monuments, etc. I'm not for fascist or supremacy. I hate these motherfuckers in Charlottesville. I love my beloved South and I always will,

and I'll fly my Southern Cross when I can. I mean, I've dated women from different countries. I'm trying to get my future bright here from Brazil, but people call me a bigot because I rock that flag, and I guess this is the fucking reason why. And while he was being nice, there was a part of me that wanted to be like, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, that is the reason. reason why, Dave, but my point, you know, not trying to shit on him at all, because like I said, I do think he has a good heart. My point is, you know, people like him or a lot of them are separating themselves from this. And I think Corey's right. But part of it is the Nazi symbolism. And then part of it is, of course, what they're spewing. Because a lot of people who write the rebel flag have for years been like, yeah, we know the KKK rocks it, but we're not like them. And then like, somehow that was good enough and they could go on with their lives. But now, with it's right beside the Nazi flag,

it's harder for them to do that. And in some ways, that might be a good thing. That might be good for our future in terms of being able to categorize hate in the proper way. Well, I mean, I don't know about y'all, but that's kind of what I went through

just at a much earlier age, because, like, I talk about it on stage and I'm not joking, it's true. Like, I used to have, I used to have rebel flag shit. I had a rebel flag poster in a room and I had hats and shirts and stuff, Like when I was a kid, I mean, because my dad always liked the rebel flag.

And I always say I think that was way more of a skinnered thing than probably anything else. But like, right. So I know, I know for a fact that there are or at least have been plenty of southern people who dig the flag that really and truly aren't racist. But I just realized at a pretty young age, like I realized what it meant to so many other people. and I was like, okay, well, you know, I can't have that. I don't want to come across like that fucking thing or like those people. So I just stopped. And so that's what I was thinking when you were reading Dave's message.

He's like, well, I guess these fuckheads are the reason why. My first thought was like, well, yeah, man. The whole thing sucks. But yes, that's exactly what the problem is. Exactly. But the reason I brought that up too, though, was also to say it's nice to see folks like that. distancing themselves. It's nice to see Orrin fucking hatch standing up to

hate while our goddamn president, you know, waited two or three days or however long it's been. And then he did put that message out today, but it's almost like too little too late. I mean, that woman's dead. And I know we're comedians and we're going to make jokes about yotsy Nazis and all that, but you know, a 20 year old kid

and he's a man and he has to be responsible for his actions. But I think it's fair to say he was confused. And I'm not trying to empathize with him and make him seem like a victim. That's not my point. I'm just saying that in a macro sense, when you look at the big picture, a 20-year-old punk in a Dodge Charger ran over a anti-fascist protester because he feels that the country he lives in at 20 years old as a white man with a Dodge Charger is oppressive to him. Yeah, I was thinking about that

too. And while that guy is, you know, looking at it from my perspective and the perspective, you should, a sack of shit, I do believe, like, there's a part of me that truly believes that kid has read things like, you know, give me liberty or give me death or my only regret is that I have but one life to give from my country. I believe that he's read shit like that. And he's like, yep, that's me. That's what I'm doing. Like, I think he fucking really, like, believes that.

Like, I'm driving this in there and I'm a fucking hero. Yeah. But, okay, on this note, I, like, so I said in the video I posted and also said in the tweet that I posted Saturday morning, and I know we all talked about it, but like, you know, you look at the footage and everything and you look at Trump's response to it and he's in the White House and it's like it's easy to feel like they're not losing right now or like, you know, they're having a resurgence. But I really think that the whole reason they are lashing out in the way that they are. Like the reason it's like reaching a coming to a head like this is

exactly because these people are losing. And I mean, they know it. That's their whole thing is they can tell they're losing and they're scared and freaked out. Well, yeah, well, but my ultimate point What that is like headed in the right direction and this doesn't change any of that. Like it's this, I mean, it's tragic and all that. It's like we should just completely ignore them or whatever. I mean, we have to keep fighting the good fight and that whole thing. But I'm just saying just as a matter of perspective, you know, it's we're going in the right direction ultimately as a country, I think. As far as racism and hatred and shit goes, you know.

I generally agree with you. I do think, and this is something I addressed and my rant indirectly, I do think. I do think that the real bad part of this is that a lot of people, a lot of white people, decent white people can look at this and go, and those are the bad people, and that's what racism is, and we have to get rid of them. Without doing any work internally or thinking about the structures of our society that, you know, are inherently geared towards white supremacy, like the justice system is the most obvious. And first one that comes to mind to me, I'm afraid to do. stuff like this, there's a part of me that's hopeful that stuff like this makes those conversations easier to have because it's like, oh, see, we told you racism still alive and well, let's have these conversations. But then there's a part of me, the cynical part of me, the abyss, that's

like, nope, this is going to be another thing where, quote, unquote, goodhearted white people can go, well, you know, that's a problem, but that's only 500 people and we can get rid of that. And I know that wasn't your point at all. I'm just nervous that. And the reason I brought that up is in my post, I saw these people talking about like, well, we got to just let Virginia succeed again or let's blow up Virginia or whatever. And I'm like, I'm like, number one, that's stupid and like somewhat offensive, you know, just in general to people who are in Virginia who happen to be, for example, black. But number two, what you're doing there is you just want to distance yourself and your life from white supremacy. Oh, that's a southern thing or, oh, that's a rural thing or oh, that's a whatever thing. So I can go back to live in my life the way I've been living it without having to change anything.

And I guess what I'm saying is there's a part of me that thinks stuff like what's happening right now will help that conversation. But there's a big part of me that's afraid it's going to hurt it. That it's going to make racism Richard Spencer, which is true, obviously, and not make racism, you know, a judge in New Orleans who, hell, might even happen to be black, but has given his black defendants longer sentences. Right. And, you know, what you just said, a lot of people say, oh, well, fuck Virginia. than like, you know, for the record, like a huge portion of those, you know, relatively small number of assholes who made that trip weren't even from the state of Virginia, you know, they drove in from Ohio and one dude I saw from North Dakota, Nevada, yeah. My good buddy, my good buddy are Lee Baines from Lee Baines in the Glory Fires who has a new album out all about this shit. He's got a fucking great song addressing it called Whitewash. but anyway, he commented to what I had said on Facebook.

Amen, brother. Most of these Nazi fuckers leading the way are private school educated, newscaster talking frat fucks, and the boozy foe liberals talking about white trash are just letting their classism show. Fuck all of them. I think he said it better not going to preach. Preach. Well, it was the same end on the counter protesters too,

because they knew this was happening. You know, this is like one of the counter protesters that got arrested was from Chattanooga. which it really sucks for them because the news report that came out was just like, man from Chattanooga arrested in protest at Charlottesville. And of course, the mugshot doesn't make him look favorable. It makes him look like a Nazi. But if you turns out,

you know, if you read further, he was there at a counter protest. Oh, that's infuriating. It really, yeah, dude,

I'd be, if I was that guy, I would flip my fucking shit at that newspaper or whoever it was that what was that headline that way because that's, Yeah, it was the Chattanooga Times. And some people didn't read the article. They just started comment. Yeah, no shit.

Nobody ever reads the article nowadays. Like, you can't just do that shit. Some people were like, I know him. He's a fucking Bernie supporter. And it's like, of course. He's a counter-protester, you piece of shit. He almost got hit with a goddamn car. Like, yeah, I'd be furious if I was him too.

Because, yeah, don't you wrong. Dude, in everybody's mugshot, they look like a fucking Nazi. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's like somebody. I mean, it isn't like that, but it sort of is, this isn't, I don't know, it's kind of the same thing. I got an email yesterday. Apparently, you know, YouTube, you watch a YouTube video, and it gives you suggested videos or recommended videos based on the one you're watching. Yeah.

Well, apparently, on one of my videos, I don't remember if the email said which one it was, it was just were watching my video. and the recommended videos that YouTube put up were all like old racist David Allen Coe songs. Hell yeah. Like, you know, run, Negro run, except it don't say Negro and all that kind of stuff. Like just Richard Spencer's party playlist is what YouTube recommends people go to after my videos,

apparently, because of some fucked up algorithm or something. I'm like, can YouTube's algorithm? Algorithm, hear my accent? You know what I mean? Like the YouTube's fucking algorithm is... Oh, you're right. You're right. That is what it is.

Yeah. All my videos, the suggested videos are people sifting flour onto a cookie sheet. Just on a loop. Just... All mine are just infrared videos of animals in the dark where all you can see is red eyes. Every video of yours should just be that. Alex Jones singing to the bon of our... Bone of Air.

I think you've seen that shit? It's so good. No. Oh, Trey. God damn it. I wish that we had the licensing where I could just play it through Google Hangout right now because it hit for our fans and I want you to see it. But it's, dude, it's fucking fantastic.

Well, let's talk a little bit about the counter protesters. Well, first, before we get to them, a question that's been raised, and I feel like it's been raised by some people trying to, like, just like, you know, be contrarian or whatever. Like, I don't think many people are even talking about this. this, but it is a curious question. Should they have been allowed to march in the first place? Because the mayor tried to move them. And the ACLU fought for the Nazis, whatever we're calling them. I want to call them Yonzi's fought for the Yatzis to be able to have their protests.

Well, how do you all feel about that? I mean, yeah, I mean, a peaceful protest, yes. I mean, I'm one of the, you know, it's either, it's like sort of like with jokes to me. It's either all okay or none of it is. You know what I mean? Like I don't know where you start drawing lines. It's a slippery slide. I wish that when they, again,

I mean, if they're going to be out there setting shit on fire and being civilly disobedient and stuff, then you've got to shut it down. But as far as allowing them to assemble peacefully, I mean, just to be logically consistent, yes, I think that they should be able to.

So they show up, you know, with weapons, which is legal, Virginia. Well, yeah, I know. And then they show up with armor. Right. You know, is that where we draw the line. And then someone, a lot of people have raised the argument of hate speech. But the difficulty of hate speech is it's not hate speech until you hear it.

Right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Like when they start doing shitty things actually breaking the law, then yeah. But in terms of allowing them to congregate, you know, I don't know how in this country with the rules we have, you don't, you would disallow them from doing so. So now then we turn to the Antifa. whatever the fuck they're called, the counter protesters. Right.

You know, logically speaking, you could argue, and I don't, you know, that if they hadn't shown up, and I'm not, I'm not at all suggesting that they shouldn't have. I'm just saying if they weren't there to be beaten up, no beating up would happen. I'm not victim-blank. I'm pointing out that there's an argument on the other side of we were trying to have a peaceful protest, and then people showed up to ruin that, and we defended ourselves. Now, obviously that duty ran over a motherfucker in a car. That's not defending yourself.

that's garbage and that looked like murder to me. Well, for the record, that guy ran over, tried to run over a bunch of fucking people. He just, you know, he only killed one person. Absolutely murder. I'm not talking about what happened and saying let's defend it by saying any of these things. I'm saying that with these arguments out there, however you want to phrase it, what do we do as a society? You know, you've got the right to assemble that's in the First Amendment, and I think we all agree it's important. The ACLU thought it was important enough to defend these literal Nazis rights.

to his symbol. Then you've got to say, well, the anti-fascists, they have a right to come be there. That's also true. Was the kid the Dodge Charger from the South? No, he's from Ohio. Okay. I was about to say, there ain't no way. Well, that's hilarious, but I would like to hear y'all's thoughts on. Well, on that note, I have a YouTube comment notification. And then the government shut stuff down. Is that what we do? Yeah. Well, real quick, I have a YouTube comment notification, a comment from Dixie Devil 1369.

Black Lives Matter are racist terrorists. And that's all it says. So, you know. Well, the nuance and death of that particular post from the Dixie Devil. Well, YouTube, that's where you go for that. YouTube comments. Okay. New lots.

Hey, back to your, you know, you asked me my specific take on it. I told you that I didn't see anybody saying anything, which I thought was a step in the right direction. I just now remembered a couple things and it's because you mentioned Black Lives Matter that's the second part. It's either nobody was saying anything or people were condemning the Nazis

but had to throw in there you know groups like these and Black Lives Matter and blah blah blah blah so like yes they were talking about how abhorrent the Nazis were but they had to let you know that they're the exact same as Black Lives Matter so that's pretty shitty

okay well i have a so i got i got one for you that's on that is an answer to this question or a potential one that i heard from somebody that i know it wasn't really like blaming all sides equally in that you know they're all just there to start shit it was that because it's like relatively speaking a small group of assholes or whatever really the best thing for everybody to do would be just to completely fucking ignore them like everybody on all fronts, just including the media and counter protesters and whatever. And then the guy I'm talking about, he kind of, you know, then turned that into. And so because we won't just ignore them, then everybody goes to counter protests, they are,

it's just, you know, making it even worse or whatever, which I, but I'm saying the idea of, but we have been ignoring and look who's in the White House. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah, I don't know. I think, and this is. Yeah, but, dude, there's, I mean, again, Trump won't, he won't fucking condemn Nazis and that's absurd and ridiculous.

And I hate everything about Trump and he's a colossal step backwards for this country. But like, the Nazis, though, I mean, like, Trump voters, yeah, some of them got legitimate grimes. But when it comes to Nazis, like, well, why Kate would just fucking ignore them? You know, like, what does they have to say? Because he courted them pretty covertly. and that's why he's slow to condemn them because they do make up a decent chunk of his base because the alt-right is full of racist and Nazis, but it's also full of just like weird, confused 20-year-olds who think that because they're not allowed to say,

you know, cunt anymore or whatever, that they're oppressed. And so here was their champion. And I'm saying that there's a line somewhere. I got one of them in-laws. Right. So there's a line somewhere there between like, yeah, don't give people a big platform. don't like make it a big deal. They're just Nazis.

There's only 500 people. But then it's also like, all right, but they've been working their ass off on the internet. For the last two decades, they've rebranded. Now their spokespeople wear suits and have $450 haircuts and they know how to talk. At some point, you can't ignore them. And I believe that that is the leaders of Antifa. That's sort of their point. It's like we're showing up to defend people and, you know, moral rights or whatever.

but here's the thing about that. And I'm going to work my way through this, and I may end up changing my mind completely at the very end, but it's our podcast. We can do what we want. So if we believe, and I think all three of us agree with this, it's like, well, you've got to ride to assemble and say whatever you want, as long as you're not trying to literally say,

hey, let's all go murder people. But we don't know what anybody's going to say until they assemble and say it. So you get your permit, the cops show up, because they know things are going to get hairy, and you go there, and you start talking about how there's a white genocide and poor me, and these minorities and these immigrants are ruining my way of life. Antify shows up.

Corey took his shirt off. It was a good time for you to do that. He's completely naked. Yeah, I was going to comment on, you said, I think we all agree on this, you know, and then right when you said that,

Corey threw his earbuds down and walked off and I was going to make a joke about, you know, Corey just wouldn't stand for this, but then I remembered it's audio only. But that's what happened, dear listeners. he went and got ass naked and is now back on the stream. Well, that's good. It provides like a lot of levity to what I'm about to say.

So you got the right to show up and do that. And the cops show up to make sure you don't say any actual literal hate speech or set anything on fire. And then counterprotects show up because they have a right to do that. And then this is where I'm about to lose a shitload of people. That dude deserves to rot in prison for running over those people. But that is what happens when you show up to fight Nazis. I'm not at all victim blaming. I'm not at all saying she deserves it.

I'm not saying that's Trey's ass or dick? What in the world am I looking at it? Oh, that's a buddy. He rolled over that way. That's what I think about that opinion, Drew. Is it for real? No, I was pulling my ass out either way. but uh i think it highlights i think it's what i'm saying you really got to watch saying shit like look

this is what happens when you fucking you know you basically just said you mess with the bull you get the horns no i'm not saying that at all i'm saying we know they're Nazis okay we know they're going to be violent so i'm circling back right so we have a choice do we honor freedom of speech and let them protest and let the counter protesters show up or do we try and prevent this poor woman's death by disregarding that portion of you. of a fucking right to assemble. And look, it's not that black and white. Obviously, we knew there was going to be some hate speech because they're Nazis.

I'm not saying, well, there's Nazis, so that's what happens. I'm saying if you let Nazis gather and then you let counter protesters come there, there's going to be violence. So it's back to that first question. Should we have let them gather in the first place? And we all already agreed that we thought that they should. So we either accept the consequences of freedom and right to assemble, including those of Nazis, or we say, yeah, you know what, there's some exceptions to that. Right.

I mean, yeah, it's just, it's very hard to draw that line because, like, and not because I agree with Trey as far as, it's as far as jokes go, too. Like, you know, it's either one or none, it seems like, but, I mean, there obviously has to be some sort of gray area. Well, there is with hate speech. I mean, that's what the Supreme Court has drawn the gray area, but that is just hard to implement. But look, I don't want anyone to fucking get on Twitter and misconstrue my words.

hate speech shouldn't be allowed and I'm not for it, but implementing the policy of everyone's allowed together as long as they're not trying to incite violence, I am saying this is the result of that. I'm not saying I'm happy about it. I'm not saying that makes it okay. I'm not even saying we have to accept it. I'm simply stating that when you let Nazis gather

and you let counter-protesters or communist or whatever you want to call them, gather with them, fucked up shit's going to happen. Right. It's war. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, yeah, you're obviously right, but I just... Sucks.

Yeah. Yeah, you know. Well, that's kind of who I am. Corey is still naked, everybody. He's doing the... Kate Winslet from Titanic Pose. And the couple with what I... Draw me like what are your principal.

The mangina, the tucks. Yeah, it's a mangina. It's you can't, like, it's right there. Yeah, my dick is... My balls are like that of a... dogs balls. In a lot of ways, you're protesting what the All Right stands for

right now more than me and Trey are with our expositions and commentary. Without doubt. You are exuding, you look out. Dude, how red does this motherfucker look,

dude? Look at him. Like, he looks really redneck except for his dick being tucked. This is the X-rated section of Farmers-only right here.

This is the good stuff on Farmers-only. That's what you get. I got to tell you. something with my armpits. Stank! Lord, see, this is why people

call the well-read podcast. We treat these issues with the reverence and, uh, there was Corey's big just now in my face. I don't want to be a big,

but I want to be like, a lady died, Corey, put some pants on. Oh, God. All right. What,

made it be free and happy? Insert that gift of Jerry Seinfet throwing his hands up and walking out of the theater. Right. So what do you think? We let them gather and then people die? Or do we stop them from gathering?

Because there is a part of me that's like, maybe we do stop them from gathering. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm sorry. I'm not laughing at your question. See, people are only hearing the audio. You ain't seeing what we're seeing, which is Corey's right when Drew asked that, you know,

very heavy question. Just Corey's whole ass is all you can see. Look, man, I'm not smart. I'm not smart like y'all. This is what I do. I'm here to lighten the mode, make everybody not want to kill themselves. I think you should start going to protest. So you're naked.

That'd be fire. Fuck, that would be fire. But just a bunch of naked people confuse the shit out of everybody. Yeah, don't tell them what side of your own. Just start walking around. No, and it needs to be all white people so that it will confuse the Nazis. And because, as has been pointed out, you know, it's sort of on us. stop this.

What are y'all here for? I don't know. What are y'all here for? We're just across the street getting ice cream. We're here to protect our rights as free white Americans. Oh, hell yeah, brother. You want some ice cream? Yeah, we're naked.

What's happening? Yeah. I'm white as hell. Look at this dick. My buddy over there, he's tall. He's just kind of dark. We don't know why, but tall people got dark dicks. There ain't much.

There is not much wider than my fat ass. I promise you that. Oh, hey, do you all say that? You look positively cherubic. Y'all see this bruise right here on my chest. It has green. You remember the other day? He has a green bruise on his chest, everybody.

You remember the other day when we were, I don't remember where we were, but I started doing the marking mark this, and we're, that's what that's from. I barely did anything. So that shit works. All right. I was just letting you know. So that shit works? Yeah.

Just barely. Let you understand. No, just in the movie, Trey, he was trying to make himself look beat up so he could claim that. Oh, oh, okay. All right. Yeah, I hadn't seen that much. Maybe I was, I was barely there.

I was just kind of, you know, doing just barely tapping. I did it about four or five times. I got this huge green fucking bruise on my teddy. Corey. Looks like Pepe. Hey, Corey. So King Kyle's always got bruised titties. Yeah.

He don't get fucked though. He's badass. Trey, are you going to answer this question or do we just need to get out of this? I don't want to stop people from assembling. I don't want to start throwing those lines. I mean, yeah, it don't hit. People need to. Ducks.

Okay. I mean, you got to keep an eye on it when it's, fuckers like this. I think, though, I do think there's like a moment. There's like, you go down there with the cops. Maybe they should have been quicker to arrest people, man. Right. Well, I thought, I thought that, so I woke up yesterday morning, which is, so, you know,

I wake up at it's probably at 9.30. So it's like 1230 in Charlottesville. And I got on Twitter and was checking out, wait, excuse me, not yesterday morning, Saturday morning. Right. And I saw a headline that said that, like, protesters had been ordered to disperse or disband or something like before they even actually started they were told it like 1130

and their official start time was 12 they were told 1130 to disperse because it was looking good you know and then I got off I went did shit with my kids they they I saw a thing and they said they had violated like Virginia state law

unlawful assembly included all these different parameters and they were meeting at least one or two of them but I don't remember what they were and but that was the article I saw then I went and did family shit and I came back later in the day and saw where all hell had broke loose. And I was confused because I thought, you know, I thought they had basically attempted to just shut it down before it ever even really started.

But I mean, obviously not. Or, you know, that did not work. So, you know, I don't know what you do about it. Fuck them. That's what Nekin Corey says. Nek of Corey says, fuck them. I ain't naked now why I got shorts on them. Yeah.

Well, this has been exactly what I assumed it would be heavy and lacking of any clarity other than, of course, fuck Nazis, fuck Richard Spencer. Well, I mean, God damn, we ain't, hell, what are we supposed to do? I didn't think we were going to solve it, but. I was saying, like, wait, Gordon, do you think I thought we were going to get on a Google hangout? And then he'd be like, God damn it, get Trump on the phone. We've got it figured out. Well, no, you're just like, this is what I thought it would be liking any fucking clarity. It's like, I mean, hell, I don't.

I mean, this is this one. Yeah, like people aren't be able to protest, but people aren't not run over people in cars. And Nazis or not. Keep going, Corey. Keep going, Corey. You're on to something. Nazis or noties or not.

They or bring peanut butterfinger babies back. Crunchy peanut butter ain't as good as smooth peanut butter. He's on fire. Did you say that crunch is not as good as smooth? Yeah. I literally think you should be ethnically cleansed for believing that. I've read your- Buddy, I'm well, you Drew.

So y'all like crunchy better. Absolutely. That's because Corey's a child. Corey's a large child, everybody. Grudgy peanut butter. You know what? You know what my... Chewsy moms, choose kids.

They get crunchy for themselves. You know what my counterargument was going to be to you calling me a kid? I was literally thinking this would work. I was about to go, no, it's just that every night before I go to bed, when I had my spoonful of peanut butter, it's easier to do the crammy with the glass of milk. You know what I was going to say? I like to swallow it night. Oh, well.

Well, that's a fire quote for Twitter. I like to swallow it. I helped. You know, I was thinking like Corey was saying that, and I was, you know, jokingly I was going to say this. But then I realized how ironic it was. I was like, yeah, you know what? They should be allowed together.

Let them gather where they want. We'll gather where we want. And we'll just all have our little, oh, right, separate but equal parts of America. Christ, I'm becoming Richard Spencer. Well, I mean, I don't know. There's a lot of overlapping where we want to hang out, too, I'm sure. We got to fight Nazis.

I mean, here's the thing. You can't believe in everything your papal did, but there's a few things that your papal did that you're allowed to do. And my papal fought Nazis, and I reckon I can fight Nazis. Yeah. But when I do, I know how to fight back, I know I might get arrested. You know what I mean? And, again, I'm not saying it's anyone. fought. I'm not happy she died. I don't want anyone to

miss fucking what I'm saying. I'm just saying if you go to fight Nazis, there's going to be a fight. Yeah. But I want to, listen, I want to make sure I throw this out there. Chelsea, uh, Chelsea where Dale Jr. What my video?

I hit. Your video about this exact issue. Yeah, my video about this exact issue. That's right. Hell yeah. That gives me, it gives me so much more red credit with some of these motherfuckers I graduated high school with, you know? They got to be.

inflicted over that. God, I hate what he's been doing lately, but if Junior says it's all right, God damn, I guess he can come to the barbecue. Yeah, it's also funny. It's like, yeah, man, I've been on TV, I got a book, and I'm doing this, and, you know, I'm going to be on TV more. I'm selling out shows in the Russian nation. Yeah,

I don't really give a fuck, dude. And then Junior like my tweet, what the fuck, man? Congrats, man, you made it. That's actually pretty much exactly what Bryce said, our old producer Bryce, he said, uh, producer, right? He had that commented on it, and he was like, uh, Something like, you know, I ain't got really jealous over none of this shit until right now.

What the fuck, man, or something like that. That is hilarious, but he said that exact sentence like seven times now. Well, it's so funny because my immediate takeaway from that was like, man, I didn't know that whoever ran Del Earnhardt Jr's Twitter was gay. All right, you fucking naked asshole. Okay, bro. I'm kidding. Anyway, listen. I got a shower.

I got shit to do. show later. I stink too. Yeah, no, yeah. I was, God damn it. Literally, y'all interrupt my segways to tell me to start segueing. So anyway, the interview this week with the lovely Mona Shake, if you like the heavy shit from the first portion of this interview, mixed with what you may think is at times inappropriate bouts of humor, then yeah, this is the right episode for you, because this interview with Mona, she's a very funny, comedian from Pakistan. She lived in Pakistan, most of her childhood for moving to America. And I mean, we wanted, we got her own to talk about the experience of being a Pakistani

Muslim female comedian over here, really. But when she started telling her story, I mean, and you'll see, goddamn, you can't not want to hear more about it. And it is enthralling, and it's a hell of a thing. And we know y'all enjoy it. Drew and pointed this out another time, but you know how we do, we have to redo these recordings sometimes. Please keep in mind that she is a comedian and we're all comedians here in this room. And so, you know, some of this stuff, it's just the way comics talk to each other. We said some fucked up shit, but she started it and we're allowed to talk to her like that. It's fine.

She liked that. Right. It's part of the code. It's all good. We promise you. And also from a previous episode, David Smalley, this was a. same day we did his, so he is around for this interview too. So enjoy this interview with Mona Shake.

And come back to this next time. Love you. Do I have a Yotsie-Nazi haircut? Yeah, a little bit. You got kind of a spinoff thing going on. You look like a guy. Dude, whenever I get my fresh haircut, it's the same type of. The haircut that me and you usually get is like the Hitler used haircut.

But I ain't got fair hair at all. It's real dark, so. Look at me right now. in a basement with a Georgia towel over here that's a tray on my shoulder you look like you look right you look like the salt rock

I look like that dude that poisoned them trees at Auburn right before he called in that first time I'll tell you what god damn it Harvey Updye all right well yeah Harvey Updike we love y'all enjoy motor shake

We can't do it when we're not together. God damn it. Well, well, well, welcome back, everybody to the well-read podcast. Here we are in the guest house. We're in the guest house of Burbank, a popular spot for these recordings. You mean the prestigious Hollywood studio? That's right, yeah, absolutely. And that voice there, you may recognize.

For a past episode, that's our, that's a friend of the show, David Smalley. Hey, David's here with us, the host of Dogma debate. We actually just recorded, you know, going to peek behind the veil here, behind the curtain a little bit. We actually just recorded David's episode, which you will have heard days ago. But we just did it, and Dave was kind of enough to stick around with us for this one. And I'm here, as always, with Corey. Hey, Corey. Hey, bud.

And also Drew Drop. Hello. And we are joined. For this week's episode by the lovely Mona Shake. Hey, Mona, thank you very much. How you doing? I'm doing good. Thank you for having me.

This is going to be fun. How's your comfort level right now? You said right before we started, you said, I didn't know that I'd see the day that I was sitting down for a conversation with four southern white hillbilly men. I did not say hillbilly. I said, Southern men. I know. I know what you meant. I like hillbilly.

I like hillbilly. I feel comfortable because I'm sitting right by the door. So I feel really comfortable right now. So Mona is a comedian who lives in Los Angeles. We met doing a show together. It was this show called the, this group does, called Artists Rise Up, Los Angeles. And it was to raise money for the Southern Poverty Law Center.

So, of course, they called you boy. And I get over there and they have bluegrass music and barbecue and shit. It was a really good. time and Mona was there and we got to talking and she I remember I first started talking to you because on there and I don't know how often you go by this shit or whatever but on their like their materials like the flyers and stuff it's like you know with the liberal redneck tray Crowder and also the I believe it's the naughty Muslim the naughty Muslim Mona Shayhate and I was like this a hell of the lineup here liberal redneck and a naughty Muslim although I mean you know Muslims be naughty

from time to time. Very naughty. People just don't know. 1.6 billion for a reason. Come on now. But we started talking. We hit it off. We got coffee recently and talked more.

And you were talking about your experience. And I was like, you should come on and talk to us and our people about it. And what that experience being, you are from Pakistan. That's correct. And live there. I mean, not like you were born there. And your parents brought you over here as a baby. Like you grew up in Pakistan until what age was it?

Until 15. To you were 15. Yeah. And then immigrated to the U.S., and we've talked about this before, but if you don't care, just give us a little bit of background of that, how that transpired. How we came to the U.S.? Yeah. So my family has a very interesting story. So it's not like every immigrant family that's like looking for a better life that comes to the U.S.

The reason my family came to the U.S. is because I have four older brothers, and my second and my third brother were given expired vaccination, and they got polio because of it. So instead of taking the polio away, it gave them polio. So they... That's the opposite of what you want. Yes, exactly. That's not good. So the guy who was giving out expired vaccination, his own son got polio because karma is a bitch.

Was it total like ignorance or negligence or all of that? It's negligence because they knew that they were given out expired vaccination. I got so many people at home that as soon as this comes out, they're going to be like, I fucking told you you shouldn't do it. God damn it. So I'm not going to put it out. Vaccinations? Oh, yeah.

I know a lot of those. You know anti-vaxxers? A ton. I know quite a few, too. I know you do, but that's because you and your wife are hippies. No, it's because of redness. You think that's a hippie thing? Is that what the beard's about?

Just don't know. Dude. I'm totally believe y'all. I'm not saying, but I'm telling you the perception of anti-vaxers is that it's like the liberal version of climate change denial. That it's like liberal. No, I understand what. I promise you it is.

And they usually wrap it around choice. You're pro-choice for women. You should be pro-choice for the parents to decide whether or not the child is subjected to the vaccine. As with a lot of things, rednecks are just now finding out about autism. That's really, like, that's what it's come to in my community. That wasn't really a thing. And now that's a thing. And I was like, well, you know, this is going to cause autism.

We're like, well, I can't have my kid being fucking this. So, yeah, I see it more now than I ever did. So, again, these episodes are going to come out. weeks or a week apart, but literally we did the same exact thing to poor David here, where he started his story. Oh, no, no, no. I'm listening to a shit. Hey, I wonder before you came in, I said, just don't mention meat. I told you that.

Or polio, apparently. We'll do it with literally anything. Me and Gore are going to start to meet in polio podcast. So. I wanted to throw you a curveball there. It was negligence. They knew they were doing it. Negligence, yeah.

So my mom used to go to the American constant because they're the only ones. who had a library. So my mom would go to the American consulate and write letters to hospitals basically around the world saying, look, I have two sick kids. There's no treatment for them here. Everyone here is telling me to throw them away. Everyone's telling me to give them to an orphanage

because they're useless. These are my kids. I don't want to do that to my kids. Can you help me? So my mom had one of my mom's cousins, who later became a politician, which we're going to talk about. Oh, yeah, hell.

Yeah, which we're going to talk about. But their family had a friend, had a fellow Pakistani doctor friend who lived in Kentucky. And he was like, hey, I think we might be able to help you. Shriner's Hospital in Lexington, Kentucky can probably help your kids out. So we're like, okay, well, why don't you send them a letter, tell them what's going on, and see if they're interested? So my mom writes them a letter, sends them what's going on. Shriner's hospital's like, great, we'll pay for your kids. will pay for their treatment, just pay for the ticket and just come here, and we'll take care of everything.

And that's how our family started coming to the U.S. Including, like, as far as where you stayed. I mean, I know your brothers, I guess, had like beds. So my mom left me behind with my dad and my grandmother when I was six months old. So pretty much all my teenage years and growing up, I didn't really see my mom because she was never really around. Oh, I didn't realize that when you were telling me that before. I didn't know that you were a baby when that all first way. Yeah.

For the first time, my mom came, I was six months old. So my mom had to kind of leave me behind and come here, take these two sick kids, you know. So our family just kind of pretty much, in a way, got destroyed because of the whole thing, because my mom and my dad had to stay behind and kind of take care of the other two kids, three kids, me and my two other brothers. And the two sick kids had to come here. And the family had to constantly go back and forth, just trying to get them treatments, trying to get them physical therapy.

And, yeah, it had a huge impact on our family. Basically, and destroyed our family. Well, that's fucking brutal. it is yeah at what point did you ate well did the rest of you well that really got more before a second right holy shit

people are like is that a comedian we get heavy on here no don't worry no it happens to us a lot we do it all the time my thing was it was just funny to me because Trey's response was like when the dude was talking to the big Lobowski

the first time and he was telling him he had his legs cut off and nom or whatever and he just goes that's a bummer I didn't hear any sniffles. I didn't hear any sniffles. I also felt awkward when you looked at me because I was trying to get something out of my teeth with his toothpick.

Is that what you were doing? Yeah, and I was like, oh. I was like, is it? Oh, yeah. That's okay. I thought he was smiling up my pain. I was like, at least someone is. No, let me tell you what I smiled in. Can I tell you what I smiled at?

As you were talking about it, I'm looking around the room realizing this is the first time you've been in a room full of rednecks. He's digging some shit out of his teeth. He's sitting there with his arms crossed. Trey's sitting over here with his nipple out. And I just thought this was the funniest situation. It's a serious story.

Yeah, so that's why I smile. I was trying to get that in my teeth and you looked at me though and I was like, oh, no, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, polio's sad, but this, I can't stand it right now. Polio's sad, but this is what I currently have going on right now. That's legit, man. We ain't got polio here. We got teeth problems.

I don't worry. What I'm comforted by the fact is that you floss, which is great. Only because I cannot stand having shit in my teeth, but yeah. That's great. She's a press. We somehow went off on a tangent on polio. Because why not? Even though it was part of the story.

Here's what I'm curious about, though, related to that. Your mom, you said she was back and forth. Yeah. And I can see how that, you know, obviously tore the family apart. Yeah. How long did that last, number one? I know you're going to get to that. When did you – like, were you young when you realized that was, like, out of the ordinary?

I think – yeah, well, I was pretty young when I realized it. I think I grew up with a lot of anger issues because it was just like, oh, I was like – Also because I grew up with boys So I have four older brothers So boys just duked it out And that's what I did I just duke it out Even the polio ones

Duked out We all duked it out We didn't give a shit Fuck yeah We're like fuck you polio Let's just fucking go at it You know He didn't say the ones with polio

He said even the polio ones Yeah I couldn't quite get the whole sentence I knew it was wrong Yeah I'm sorry I don't know I can tell you're more comfortable

With the jokes As a comic Than you are of sadness Honestly I don't Because my brothers, even growing up, would make fun of their own polio. That's beautiful. That's awesome. We were all just very kind of comfortable with making fun of it.

And we were just like, bye, that's what it is. We just got to live with it. We just got to roll with it. Right. And that's sincerely awesome. But that anger, you did at some point realize, like, my mom's gone. This fucking sucks. Right.

Well, I mean, how old were you when that started hitting you? I think the first time I realized it. I must have been probably seven, eight years old. I think that's like the first time that ever hit me. And I was like, oh, shit. I was like, oh, this is abnormal. Like, everyone's mom's around. My mom's not around.

Like, this is weird. But honestly, like, looking back on it, that was probably such a blessing for me. Because I think that's where I kind of started to become a storyteller because I would tell myself these stories to entertain myself. You know, I'd be like I would just keep myself entertained. That's what I would do as a kid. That's the most goddamn comedic. comedian response of her like, no, not looking back, you know, having an absent mother, it was actually

beneficial because it really gave me a, you know, I know. I literally, I'd say that so often because, like, people will ask me about multiple things. He's like, how's it dealing with your family or how did you come to be the way you are, you know, a liberal redneck, whatever else, and I always bet, well, I'm lucky because I was raised by my, and I realize what I'm saying, it's like, well, I'm lucky my mama wasn't there. You know what I mean? I'm really lucked out and not having a mom. For the reason, I'm saying only a comic would come to that conclusion.

But, you know, it actually, it worked out. Sure. It's fine. I got really good timing out of it. I mean, it's either that or going to the mental asylum. Yeah, right. So, well, I was wondering what kind of stories you told yourself. I don't know.

I don't even remember as a kid. I just remember writing a lot. Yeah. I used to write a lot. I used to make up all these scenarios and just kind of come up with these. Like that your mom was there? Yeah. Oh, damn.

That was risky. That was risky. It was risky. What I want to say, you've taken everything so well. I'm like, no, she's in on this. No, you know what it was, quite frankly? I don't need to smock anymore, Corey. Take it from that.

Even when my mom would come back, I didn't want her to come back. Is that fucked up? Why is that? It might be fucked up, but it can't be your fault. You're a little kid. So let's go in on that one. Yeah, so I didn't want my mom to come back because my mom was kind of like a Nazi, you know, when she would come back. Oh, shit.

Because the way she would deal with things would be like, I told you to do this and you do And you're like, what the fuck, bitch? You haven't been here? I'm like, that grandmother, that's my mom. You're not my mama. Like, my mom, my mom is really my mom. Like, not you. You haven't really been around.

So who the fuck are you to come and, like, boss me around? So I would go to my grandmother. I'd be like, who the fuck is this bitch? How is your mom? Like, that had to have been so hard. Wow, this is like some Freudian shit right now. Well, no, no, I'm, I was, that was a sincere. I know that I was, I've been dickish making jokes, but I'm sincere.

Like, that had to be so. so fucking tough to make those sacrifices for your sons and then come back and then have to deal with a daughter who fairly is angry. Like, it's fair that you were angry at her. Sure. You know, I don't, I don't know. Like, I just remember as a kid getting into a lot of fights with my mom, not like, I couldn't stay on the side of my mom when she was around. And even when she came back, I was just like, I just wish you leave. And when she left, I was like, this is fucking great.

Now I can go back to tell my stories, you know. Do you think she knew that you felt that way? My mom knew I was felt that way. My mom knew that, you know, I wasn't really accepting of her. And, you know, mainly because we also were very different personalities and we're like that to this day. It wasn't just the distance. It was also a person because I'm very much like my dad. I totally, totally get all that.

I had the exact same thing except when my mom would come around, it wouldn't be that she was like bitching at me telling me how to do stuff. It would be like she was like asking me for money and shit. And I'm like, I'm 12. of mama. Would you tell you to get a job? No, she just hawk my guitar or whatever. Oh, God. And that's funny.

But your mom's absentee. It also really had. It was completely like something that you can look back on and be like, yeah, fuck her. Well, actually, I mean, kind of, but actually I've come around on that a lot lately. And this is completely different from a moment's situation. That's what I mean. It's just like her mother was doing something.

My mom was an act. My mom was an addict, which is why she wasn't there. And what I mean when I, and I was very, very, very angry at her and at that whole thing for most of my life. And only very recently have I came around on it some in that I have realized, like a lot of drug addicts, my mom has very, very genuine mental health problems. You know what I mean? Like they're not her fault. They're really not. I think they both come back to choice, though, right?

And I think a lot of kids who. You don't choose to be crazy, David. Well, no, no, no. What I'm saying is the choice of you may have felt like my mom is choosing this. Absolutely. For me. But a lot of times, a lot of times people who grow up who have siblings who have a disability will feel like mom is choosing them over me and there's resentment there.

Right. And I say my mom's gone because she's taking care of my siblings. I never had resentment over my, I never had resentment. I don't think I ever looked at my brothers and were like, fuck you guys and mom chose you over me. Fuck you. You and your fucking polio. Once you drag your ass from the table to the bedroom. It wasn't,

it was never that. You know what I'm saying? We got into it. I don't ever remember thinking that. My issue with my mom was that we just didn't get along because she was kind of like a Nazi. You know? She'd show up and just start bossing you around. She wasn't very affectionate.

And we talked about it, you know? We talked about it many years later. And I asked my mom, I asked my mom, I was like, why were you such an asshole? And she was just like, look, I was going through my own shit. I was young. That's what I was saying. She's young and that fucking shit happens. Wow.

Like, look, okay, so give you perspective. My mom had me. I was her fifth kid at the age of 23. She got married at 17, start popping kids left and right, right? Because we didn't have television back then. And next thing you know, it's like five of us, right? Then you have two sick kids. everyone around you is telling you to throw these kids away, right?

You're constantly getting into fights with your husband because your husband's like, look, I told you not to get them vaccinated. Now you got them vaccinated. Now they're sick. So that's on you, right? So that's do an extra riff. So here she is. So here's my dad, like trying to figure stuff out.

My dad's like, fuck, these are my kids. I got to provide for them, right? Here's the marriage that's falling apart. Here's my mom trying to like keep, trying to keep her marriage, trying to keep her kids, trying to fix her kids. Like, there's so much going on, right? So as an adult, now I look back and I'm like, fuck, that must have been so hard for you. Right.

Right. Like, that's tough. Like, how do you do that? So as an adult, do you have gained, like, sympathy and stuff? I have a lot of sympathy for her. Right. That's what I'm saying. I mean, we have a really good relationship now.

Right. What about respect? Because I'm curious if you've ever gained that for your mom. Respect? Yeah. Because I don't really have a lot of respect for my brother. For you're a brother? He's also an addict.

And that's why I was making that comparison. No, I mean, I've gained a whole lot of sympathy for, and I don't like blame her as much as I did her. I'm not as angry at her as I once was. But, like, yeah, no, I wouldn't go to. And also, you said your mom have a great relationship now, and that's also I'm glad to hear that. I would say great. That's not the word I would use. Okay. But, yeah, it's decent.

Me and my mom, like, we're, it's better now than it's been, I mean, basically since I was like a very small child, but it's still, you know, I mean, it ain't great. When did you realize, like, when that you, you know, your mom's an addict? I don't know when I realized that that's what it was that was happening. I mean, I'd say I was probably a teenager or something before I realized that it was drugs. Yeah. I just thought, I didn't know why she was doing the shit she was doing or why she wasn't there or whatever. I just knew that she wasn't there. And then when she was around, it seriously was just like to, like, you know, steal something or whatever.

just for something bad, for a bad reason. And then she'd be gone again. And so, like, and I was just pissed about it. I mean, yeah, I don't, I don't know exactly, but I'd say probably like 14 or something. Maybe, maybe 12, 13. But then, and then, as David said earlier, it became this whole, you know, at that time at that age, I was just always like, just stop. You know what I mean? It's like, why can't you just fucking stop and just quit this bullshit?

And I just, I had so much anger for her. And also, by virtue of that, all addicts for a very long time, I was like, they're the fucking scum of the earth. Sure. You know what I mean? And I felt that way because of my own personal shit. And it's only been, like I said, I mean, in my adulthood, like over the past, I mean, I don't know, five, six years or whatever that I've really, really come around on that

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Limited time to participate in U.S. restaurants prices may vary additional terms apply. It's still absolutely not my fault, no matter what. Like, as a kid, it's not my fault, and I still feel like I absolutely have a right to have, been angry then and to still, you know, have some conflicting feelings about it. Having said that, I definitely don't blame her the way that I used to because, like I said, I realize now, like, you know, she don't, it's not a choice for her. Like, I mean, she's, she has mental health problems. She got a lot of people mental health problems get, you know, end up getting addicted to drugs

and shit. And she just fucking, she was not at all in control of herself. She did not want to be the way that she was and whatever. And I realize that now. And so. Because so you have a lot more compassion for her. A lot more compassion. But that also helps you reduce some of your anger.

Absolutely. That's all true. Drew asked about respect. I don't know about that. Yeah. I don't know so much about respect either, quite frankly. I think my mom and I have had several conversations and I've... It ain't my business, but I respect the fuck out of your mama.

Yeah. I respect my mom. Okay. I'm sorry. I thought you were saying the opposite of that. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. As a person, when I look at my mom, I have.

have tremendous respect for my mom. As a daughter and my relationship with my mom, that is a different ballgame, right? Because I had a very different experience with my mom. But when I step outside of that, I'm like, my mom is fucking awesome. Right? Yeah. But when I look at her as a daughter, that's a different perspective. Do you remember when you started stepping outside of that?

Oh, God. I started stepping out very, um, that's good. Probably about eight, nine. Really? Yeah. You started to be able to see her as a. Oh, no, I'm sorry, when I started having respect for her, you mean? I guess, yeah, that's what I mean, stepping outside of the daughter.

My 20s? Yeah, 20s. Yeah, that's when, because we were able to have a conversation. And I started that conversation because I wanted to have that conversation with my mom. I was just like, look, we're not going to go to the fucking the rest of our lives, being pissed off at each other and just being stupid idiots about it. I was like, let's be adults about it. Let's talk about it. And I think what happened for me is that I stopped seeking her validation.

I stopped seeking for my mom's approval for her. her to be like, you're amazing. I love you. I was just like, you know what? You're a person who comes from a fucked up background. You've been damaged. You've been fucked with. I have a lot of compassion for you. Tell me your story.

And I just kind of took myself out of that equation. I've never gone off on her like as an adult. Absolutely. Yeah. You have, I had a similar. I've gone off of my dad and my mom. I did not spare either one. My dad was never really around when I was growing up.

And I never understood why. I just didn't want to be around me. didn't want anything to do with me and he was always drinking all the time and when i'm about my 20s i was talking with my aunt just in casual conversation and she just dropped this bomb on me that when my dad was 19 he was driving home from work and a little boy was trying to get to the ice cream truck ran out in front of him and my dad hit him oh shit so my dad at 19 years old set up at the hospital with this kid for three days and a little boy died and i've realized i overwhelmingly in my mid 20s i'm like shit my dad doesn't want to get close to me because i'm this little boy

You know what I mean? He feels like he took somebody else's little boy, but he has his own. And I'm like, that's some deep shit. And then he's drinking all the time to self-medicate because counseling's for pussies, you know? And so that's his, that's his. So I was able to be compassionate about it from then on. And then one day after my daughter was born, she was two or three. And I was talking to my dad. And I said something like, yeah, my daughter wakes me up at six o'clock in the morning with a chocolate milk emergency. And I got to do all this daddy shit. He laughs and goes, welcome to fatherhood. And I lost my shit. I was like, you don't. don't know a goddamn thing about being a father. And I just went off on him. Because while I was compassionate about what he went through, don't act like we're on the same level. I'm involved in my child's life. You know what I mean?

So I was angry. And then I felt like shit afterwards for going off on him. Well, that's always the feeling that follows that. That's always like the following. And that's why I see the difference between compassion and respect. Yeah. And right. That's what I was.

Boy, this is a cutbuster. Yeah. This episode. It'd be almost impossible not to respect your mom. Aren't you glad? Aren't you excited that, aren't you glad that you brought a Pakistani girl? It's great for a comedy podcast for sure. I'm like, we're definitely, I'm back in a lot of shit.

I was just sitting here thinking about it. I reminded me of something. It's like, your mom, like, again, you resentment. The entire narrative of this whole thing is like, in your mind, just like she's the villain for some goddamn reason because she's off and yada, yeah. But the whole time, and she knows that. She knows that you've got this whole resentment bullshit going, but she's ultimately doing something that she has to do. Sure. Your mom is snipe from Harry Potter.

And you were sitting there going, how dare you stand where he stood? Talking about your grandmother. I get it. So I understand this whole. What I'm saying is this is a very sellable movie. I'm just going to tell you that. I appreciate that.

Thank you. You know what it was? I would say that honestly, if my mom didn't take that leap, I wouldn't be sitting here having this conversation with you guys. I mean, it's literally that simple. You know, I'd probably be in Pakistan with 10 children I know probably would have killed myself.

Pray eight children, to be fair. On that note, when you, but you were left over there initially, at what point did you come over here and how did that go? So, you said you were 15. I was 15. So what happened was my, so the reason that we all ended up moving here, just the kids, not the parents, is because my mom's first cousin was a, became a huge politician in Pakistan. Now, I don't know if you guys know about how the politics work in South Asia and Middle East, mostly in South Asia, but you get shot. Like, that's it.

Like, somebody doesn't like you. They shoot your ass. It's that simple, right? So my mom's first cousin, who was one of my favorite uncles, actually, really nice guy. We used to go and campaign. As a kid, I remember going in rallies and, like, marching for him and campaigning for him. And he ended up becoming this huge politician. and when he was becoming a politician,

my family was very actively involved because that was my mom's first cousin, right? And so my mom started, my family started getting, my parents started getting death threats at home. People were calling us up and basically threatening my parents saying that we're going to kill your kids. You better pull out of this campaign.

Do not go support this guy. So my mom, my parents pretty much freaked out and they were like, what are we going to do? My mom was like, we're going to send the kids away. you know, we'll stay here, but we have to send the kids away because they're going to come after the kids. And that's how it all started. So my mom brought my three oldest brothers here first. So for five years, I didn't see my mom.

My mom was here. I was in Pakistan. I came like maybe once, 1991 was the first time I ever came here. I was. How old were you when you came here where you're saying? I know you're going to figure my age out now. 11 months. I was 11.

And I remember coming to the States. And yeah, my mom was getting my brothers settled. That's when they lived in, like, Long Island, New York. And then we went back and after five years, my mom finally came back, got my other brother, my fourth-oldest brother, come out here. And then everyone in the family was like, you're not going to send the girl to pack into America, are you? Like she's going to be ruined. Like she's going to be a whore. Is that why you had to go last?

Is that why you had to go last? Well, I had to go last because I was also the youngest. Okay. But everyone in the first. family was just like totally against it. I had like uncles who live in Dubai calling my mom up and they're like, you can't send her like she's a girl.

She's going to be like ruin. It's so like, it's so horrible out there. And my mom's like, listen, that's my kid. I'll do whatever the fuck I want. Why don't you keep your opinions to yourself? You do it with your kid whatever the fuck you want. I'll do what my kid's what the fuck I want. And I think my mom had this thing in her head

because my mom was 17 when she was married off And she had this real resentment because her three older brothers were educated and, you know, they kind of took their time getting married. But my mom was like, why did they have to rush me off and like marry me off? As if I was like a fucking virus or something. And she had a real sense of resentment in her. And she was like, I would not do that to my daughter. If I have a daughter, I would not do that to my daughter. So it was an arranged marriage for her?

It was an arranged marriage. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It was an arranged marriage. If she hadn't have sent you to America ultimately, would that have been, you said to me and go, if I was over there, I'd have. 10 kids by now or whatever. No, I probably would have

happened to you. I probably would have killed myself quite frankly. But like would she if you had not have left or if that had sent you would that have ended up happening to you to the arranged marriage thing

I mean like I know you said your mom was against it but I'm saying like just culturally like fuck her being against it would have happened. That would have happened. I mean obviously. Probably.

They would try to marry me off to someone or that's just how it works. That's just how that works. You know you, the girl. get the boys go overseas and get educated, but the girls stay behind and get married. Related to that, do your uncles, not me though, not my family. Do your uncles who told her not to do that or you'd be ruined feel like they were right because you didn't do what they wanted you to do or what they think is proper, or is that not

at all? Am I just reading too much into that? I honestly don't know. You know, I recently visited my uncle. I was flown out to Dubai, and he lives in Dubai, and he saw the fact that I was, like, flown out and put in this, like, you know, I was headlining a show and, He was quite impressed by it. He was like, fuck.

He was like, this little girl. I was like underestimating her. And here she is fucking baller shit. That's cool. You know? No. So he's cool about it, Jenna. Yeah.

Yeah. My uncle's pretty cool about it. I don't think, I mean, they've given up on me. They're just like, she ain't never getting married. But they're not like, but they're not like, I told you so. She should have had 10 kids by now or whatever. No. Not at all.

Not at all. I think they have, I think they have a lot of respect. Like, my mom was just telling me that my politician. uncle who got assassinated eventually. They opened fire on him. And it was so bad that when he got shot and they took, there were so many bullets in his car

and in his body. They couldn't even first of all, autopsies are against the religion. So you can't conduct an autopsy. But it was so bad that they wouldn't even let a, you know, they wouldn't even let you file like a police report saying that this person's been assassinated. Do you understand how fucked up that is?

Yeah, that's insanely fucked up. The whole thing's insanely fucked up. Yeah. But then after that, a few years after that, another one of my uncles got assassinated along with his son. Right on the spot.

God damn. What? Yeah. I was back and make a very shitty callback and be like, well, this is where Papal Batman's going to do his worst because just, you know, saying,

I know, and I didn't, but now I did. I'm waiting. That's a, that's a podcast. It's an inside joke, but it's related to the podcast, but you wouldn't know. I'm just.

Definitely a show. So you've had hugely. Now at this point, you've had two uncles assassinated. I had two uncles and a 26-year-old cousin assassinated. Yes.

Over their political campaigns or beliefs? Because of their beliefs? Because, you know, they're also quite democratic, you know, according to the Pax anyway. They're quite liberal. Which they think women should be able to talk

and that makes them Democrats. Exactly. Exactly. They believe that. They also, you know, don't believe in like writing camels and stuff. So that helps out too. Is that a religious thing?

No. No, that was a joke that I mean. We don't have to. Yes. We don't have cats. They don't believe in riding camels. She was fucking around. I was fucking.

And I fucked it up. Yeah. God damn. Look at us. All right, Corey. Two for two right now. So was that, was any of that like a, I'm totally kidding about.

Blessing chops. Was any of it? So was any of that like the breaking point or where you, you were going, you were getting sent over here no matter what? And then that stuff, it did happen. Or was like, when those. assassinations happened? Was it like, all right, we got to get moaned the fuck out of here? Okay, so the assassination, so this is what happened.

So we started getting death threats. Brothers moved here. My mom's like, yep, the girl's going to go to. I get moved here. And then a few years later, first uncle gets assassinated. And then we're like, oh, my God, what the fuck? And then a few more years passed by, and then my uncle and my cousin get assassinated. And you were over here at the time.

Okay. Yeah. You moved to Long Island? No, I moved to Jersey City. So Drew, back a week ago when we were talking about is religion the only bad thing? Turns out politics is pretty bad too. Right. Yeah.

But, well, they're very, very closely intertwined. Well, here's the thing in Muslim countries, especially. Here we go. Here's the thing in Muslim countries, right? So in the West, right, even when you go to Europe, it's primarily governments, democratic governments that have separation of church and state. You don't have that in Muslim countries. Right.

You just don't. You know, it's very much a huge part of politics. I mean, I don't know if you guys know this, but peer research found out that 82 to 99% of South Asian countries believe in Sharia law. I mean, you have to stop and think about that. I mean, think about that in figures. Like how many people believe that? That's pretty crazy.

Up till not even that long ago, not even until not even 10 years ago, there was a law in Pakistan that said that if a woman was raped, She needed four male witnesses to prove her rape. Now think about the logic of that. That's part of Sharia law, by the way. Now, think about the logic of that. She needs four men to say that, yes, she's telling the truth. That's correct.

So if they're witnessing it, aren't they also guilty of it? Or like, why didn't they stop it is what you're saying? That's correct. You're part of your, you know, you're an accessory, you know, to the fact, right? The fact that she sat there and you watch a crime happen. That's not how American law. works. No, but, like I hear what you're saying, what's the scenario where four people are just watching this fucking happen. Right. And then they're like, yeah, I'll admit that I was a

coward for a fucking hour. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. a stand after having done that. Who's brave enough to testify, but not brave enough to step in? Right, exactly. That's correct. They either are just going to watch it and help, you know, cheer it on, in which case those guys are never going to, you know, testify or whatever, or if they're, like, disgusted by it and would testify, you would think, hopefully, they would also do something

about it. That's correct. So it's like a catch-22 type thing. That's correct. So, all right, well, now that we've, and this is kind of skipping ahead a little bit, but now that we've already gotten into it. What about the law changed to? Did they make it just like two dudes?

Oh, you set up to even like 10 years ago. So, yeah, did it change? Yeah, they changed the law. So the guy who changed the law... Also got shot? No, he didn't. Misharva did not get shot. No, he got raped, but only two people saw it.

No, he got polio. Only one person shot. He got polio! He had to, yeah. So Misharef was a dictator. At least he came out. He was a military guy who caused a military coup, took over. And believe it or not, under his, you know, governance,

Paxan did really well because there's a lot of money that was being poured. This is when we were looking for Osama bin Laden. This is when Musharraf was in power. And so what he basically did is, you know, the U.S. went to Paxan. It was like, look, we want to use your military. We want to use your airspace. Would you let us? And we were like, great.

Are you going to lift the sanctions that you have against us? And are you going to give us money? And the U.S. was like, yeah, absolutely. It was like, great. So what he did is that he was taking all the money that was coming in and he was pouring in the infrastructure. So you saw a lot of, so that's around the time that I went to Pakistan. And I saw, I was like, wow, this is pretty incredible.

Like there's just economies booming. People were becoming overnight millionaires on the, you know, Karachi Stock Exchange. Karachi is the city that I'm from. It's a southern city. So there's a South connection right there. And, yeah, I mean, people are doing really well. But then, you know, as we do are, the U.S. foreign policies are really just fucked up. I'm dying to know what the law changed to, though.

How did the law change? So he's the one, so he's a pretty secular guy, right? He's not like this Uber religious guy. He's like, look, he loves to drink. He loves his women. And he's like, look, this is a bullshit fucking law. This is, it's insulting to women. It's insulting to people.

You know, this law has to be changed. And he helped change that law. But what does it change? Mike just got. He got rid of it. He was like, look, if you raped a woman, you're fucking going to jail and you will be tried. I mean, I don't know. And I'm in totally state my absolute ignorance here, but like, that dude sounds pretty okay to me. Well, so what happened with that guy? He got assassinated by polio rape. U.S. spells us. We happen to that guy.

We happen to that. Well, that checks out. So when we, so look, Thanks, Obama. They made what illegal? No, we've got to go in there. No, I don't know. The CIA was like it was, you know, he was fucking up some other, you know, stupid bullshit for them.

And they didn't give a single fuck about the good shit he was doing. Like, now he got to go or whatever. Well, yeah, look, US has foreign policies that, look, we go to foreign countries for underdeveloped countries like Pakistan. And we say, look, we're going to give you money. and you do as we say and when you stop delivering and doing what we do we're going to yank and we're going to get you the fuck out of the spot we put you in

and we're going to put some other asshole in place. Do you want that? Right, right, right. That's kind of the foreign policy without a long time. We've done that in South America, we've done that in South Asia, we've done that in the Middle East. I mean, that's kind of a reputation the U.S. has.

So that's what happened with that. Yeah, we don't give money and not get what we pay for. Right. Which is utter complaint. lines. But here's the thing, right? You also have to think in terms of what you're doing to the country and the nation, right?

If you're going to put in Yeah, but we don't. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. So you're going to pay for it. You're going to pay for it in the long run when you have, you know, when you have Pakistan that ends up becoming a terrorist hub, right?

Because you took the good guy out who actually was taking the fucking terrorist out and you put in another asshole in place that's not going to do that. I was just like the whole thing. with when, you know, the Russians were fighting in Afghanistan and like the early 80s or whatever. And the U.S. was funding the Afghanis and all this stuff and getting all their weapons and training them and shit because they were fighting the Russians.

And then those same dudes ended up being the guys that we fought years later. And it's like with good shit. Now they got good stuff. And the U.S. is just like, you know, who could have possibly seen that coming? And now our president's getting golden showers from Russia. I mean, this is ridiculous. So, all right. So we, the U.S.

You should know. that that didn't get the response probably. We've made it a point on this show, that's the only thing we'll defend about Trump. If he wants to get pissed on, let him get pissed on. Yeah? That's the only thing we'll defend. I mean, I didn't say it was bad.

I just said he was getting golden shot. We've just said, like, as liberals, we are and have been for a while. Getting pissed on. And the pro getting pissed on party. Like, if you want to have sex and get pissed on, you should be able to do that. So, yeah, he can't.

Who, you know, who was anybody to judge? Yeah, exactly. So the U.S. came in and told him of Shara, is that right? Mushara. You got to fucking go. It sounds like you. You're out.

He is. And then what happened? The U.S. installed some other motherfucker and he was a piece of shit and things went south again. They were like, you didn't deliver Osama bin Laden to us. Right. This is right before Obama came on. So they were like, you promise.

W. said, hey, you didn't deliver, you know, Osama bin Laden to us like we said. So fuck you. Get the fuck out. Right. Got him fucking kicked out. And then got, they were trying to bring in Buto, which was the only female prime minister of the Pakistan. ever had, right? She was supposed to go back

and the U.S. was like, look, we'll kind of deal with you because she was in exile in London, which they stole a shit ton of money. Bummer for her. Oh, right. It must be so hard stealing home. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, exal me again. People are living in fucking Surrey, England, which is one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the UK.

I don't know if you guys know this. But, um, so we go to them. We go to the U.S. goes to Ben Zibuto and says, hey, listen, we'll cut you a deal. If you come back, you know, we'll help put you in place and we'll get will almsmasharov. She's like, great, fucking let's do it.

So she was incredibly corrupt. She's horribly corrupt. That was awful. Just horribly corrupt. Incredibly smart. Incredibly articulate. Oxford educated. We got one of those. Comes from a very wealthy family, right?

Is she still there? No. So she goes back to Pakistan. People are greeting to cheer her on or whatever. People who are of her province. So Pakistan is divided in four provinces. So her province is this province called Sindh. Sindh is the city.

Sindh is the province where I come from. But my family migrated from India to Pakistan. So that's a whole different thing. And she goes back and guess what? There's an assassin that comes right on the side, shoots her in the head, right in the back of her head. As she goes forward, a suicide bomber comes up and blows her up.

Well, now that's just insult to injury there. I'm sorry, you guys. I probably know the other dude was doing that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? like he was about to blow up and he's like oh somebody already did it son of a bitch

well that's a that's a bit much it is a bit much I mean talk about like she was blown away by the reception huh so assassinate all you want

but keep it classy for God's sakes I mean come on so double assassination they made sure that bitch was dead she was extra dead they were like first shoot in the back of her head

and then blow her up that is fucking insane yeah see that kind of stuff is very common right here politicians can be like, I fucking hate you. And, you know, I don't like that. It's not like that.

This sounds like a very icarus kind of story. Like, she was living in this Kush neighborhood in London. She had it easy, stealing from poor people. Powers. She was living the dream. And then she was like, I want more. And then they were like, nope, you flew too close to the sun. And now you get blown up by suicide bomb.

So we're going to have to shift gears because it's not going to get, it's not going to get any less heavy. But we're going to, where are we ever know, Corey? What we got? Yeah, right. And because I don't want to get the same situation we had with David on last week's episode, we talked about ham and shit.

This is a little more heavy than ham. Although, you know. Well, listen, you're going to bring Pakistan in it. That shit's going to be heavy. No, you're right. I don't know what the fuck I was thinking. It was just like, yeah, I wouldn't you give us a quick five-minute refresher on the political landscape of fucking Pakistan? I thought I had you an assassination.

I was like, oh, you did, yeah. But so what I want to make sure that we get into, and yeah, we're already, you know, we've been going for a while, and it's been great. Thank you. This is extremely fucking entry. We're like tourists in your life right now. It's like, this is so fascinating.

It's like, yeah, half my family's dead. Tell us more. I'm also, full disclosure, very much on mushrooms right now. So this is fantastic for me. Yeah. That's awesome. That's what you fuckers have been laughing at over there and shit. I saw that.

I was wondering. They've been being a little weird. That's bullshit, Matt. No, but I've been super fucking, trust me, I have gotten all that. No, I was, I wasn't. No. You're tripping balls here? We don't even know.

Not, not I. No. Yeah. No, that wasn't what we were being weird about. Trust me, I'm enthralled. That's why I realized that your mama was Snape. I'm very much in this. I'm sure she'll love that.

Yeah, that's not a much for anything at all. Yeah. You mama's ever snake. It's all making sense, now. So the thing I want to make sure that we get to is Islam. Here we go. Yeah. So that's not another heavy time.

I know that's what I'm saying. Right. So Islam. So, so Moma, real, real, real quick. What's the deal with that? You just made. Why does it sound so Seinfeldish right now? So you just did a fucking Tim Wilson bit like, he used to do this thing where he's like,

you didn't. saying it sounded like what he was describing he goes he goes he goes ain't nothing wrong with the word jews but when i say it jews right yeah it just sounds something's wrong with that so and again when you got uh we're at that coffee shop a couple weeks back we talked about a lot of this shit and i was telling you that um and we were talking about this earlier some like it's this weird thing with islam specifically it's the only religion that this is true for when you're uh you know liberals period or liberal comedians especially. You can shit on

Christians and Christianity and Jesus and shit all you want. I mean what you can absolutely make fun of Jews and nobody gives a fuck. I was all kinds of awesome Jew jokes and shit and that's all totally fine. Nobody knows what Hindus are. But like and that's there's only like one point eight billion of them or something.

But if you're a liberal comedian the minute you start to, if you start to even attempt to like, you know, shit on Muslims or Islam at all, it, because, it, there's a huge backlash of, well, you know, hold on now. Like, they're not all like that. And I'm not saying all Christians are like that or whatever else. To me, it's the same thing.

And this is why I told you, like, it bothers me. And I know David feels the same way. Is it like, I, I'm not, I ain't down with no gods. Like, I'm not down with Allah, but I'm not down with any of them. Like, you know, I'm non-discriminatory in my utter discrimination against all. religions you know what i mean like and that so and that that's that should count for something but it doesn't and it gets turned into like a race thing or whatever else and when we were talking you was you know i basically asked you like is the religion is it a problem and if it if it is

a problem like how much of a problem is it with like culture because earlier cori said people back home where he's from in georgia are going to hear you talking about polio getting given to kids and vaccines. They're going to be like, I know. No, no, me too. I'll get it too. When he said that, I was like, word. Seriously, that's surprising to me.

But anyway, anyway, I've been thinking through a lot of this that those same people and they don't listen to us. They hate us. We're queer. You know, like that's how they feel about it. That's how they feel about us. So they're not listening. But if they were listening that they're hearing you tell that insane, amazing story, a lot of them would be thinking like, see? You know, like it's a total hellhole over there.

And they, and they're like, right. Well, and it's a, but how much of that is religion? Okay, it is a hellhole if you are middle class or poor. It is a paradise. Right. You are wealthy. I think that's true of basically everywhere. I think that's true of literally everywhere on planet.

Listen, I know very wealthy Pakistani. So they're like, I don't want to fucking live in the U.S. I got to do my own laundry. I don't want to do that shit. but so i think what he's saying is is the religion the problem or is it the politics and again that's a hell of a question asked somebody on the podcast but aren't religions a problem in general yes i mean yeah well no that's what i'm saying so here's we're here with david small yeah yeah yeah so here's the thing right um the narrative that you are consistently hearing in the

media is that islam is a religion of peace okay uh now the people who are running this narrative don't want to come out and confess the fact that there are plenty of violent verses in the Quran. Okay, there are that stay alone by themselves. Yes, people will be like, well, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. It's a misinterpreted. It's misconstrued.

Absolutely not. Those verses very much stand alone, and they are very much talking about killing and slaying people who are non-believers, which would include me too, by the way. You know, they're talking about slaying and killing people. look, the problem is that unlike Judaism and Christianity, Islam is not just a religion.

It also has a political system and a way of life, right? So, you know, the whole thing about Islamic law. So Sharia is part of Islamic law. And there are rules that because every aspect of your life, there is a religious law to dictate. So even in your private life, right, there is a religious law to dictate how you get to sleep with your wife. So Judaism and Christianity both have those. They both have that same aspect.

It's just not accepted by mainstream culture. Why is it that in Islam? Well, it's not legislated. Because Islam is going through its dark ages right now. And I would consistently say that. It's a newer religion. It's going through a dark age. Look, Christianity already went through its dark ages, right?

And Christianity is about 600 years. older, I believe, than Islam. When Christians, you know, Christians went through their violence phase, they were going around chopping people got up. The rebellious 10 years, the Spanish Inquisition. Yeah, absolutely. We're the Papal religion. Now, that's the Jews, buddy.

Yeah. They're the great Papal. Well, yeah, like we were talking about before the show, the 627 whatever Levittical laws, that every bit of that has to do with who you sleep with, what you're eating, what direction the animal is facing when it's slaughtered. I mean, you know, and I know the religions

were created to control the masses. I mean, back then, there was so much lawlessness that the only way that you could control people is by instilling the fear of God. Because there wasn't such thing as like authority figures or military where you could put a point of gun at somebody's face and say, do what it's the fuck I say, or I'm going to blow your brains out.

It was how are we going to control people? How are we going to tell people not to fucking steal from their neighbor? How are we going to stop this consistent chain of violence? Napoleon Bonaparte said religion is great stuff for keeping common people quiet. Absolutely. Those are two different things. Keeping common people quiet and making people

not still from their neighbors, those are two very different things. One of those is like this political tool to shut people the fuck up. And the other one is literally like... It's about control. It's about control. Also, then people stay yelling about shit. Was it Mark Twain that said religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool?

Was that him? Was that Twine? I don't know. I believe it was Severus Snape, Corey. Thanks, Shrooms. I understand what you mean about control, but I do think that's different. Like, the idea that we shouldn't be stealing from each other is very different than the states trying to control people so they'll be quiet. The idea that people we shouldn't steal from each other was around long before any of these religions. I agree. It became about control, and it became even so much that you're not allowed to talk about God unless you have a head covering,

and women aren't allowed to speak in church. I agree, but that's not what we were talking about. I am saying that there is a difference between religion being used. to control people and keep them quiet, which is what you said, and religion being used as saying, hey, God don't want you to steal from each other. I think we were saying the same thing, though. They are the same thing because you're controlling. Because Sharia law is about the punishments that happen when you break those laws.

All laws are about that, though. Sort of, yeah. Also, law is just control. It's literally all it is. That's literally all the law. Careful. Hang on the second. I would.

Give me one example. I would agree. Here's the thing. I would agree with the fact that as societies have evolved, they've gotten away from like, okay, religion's nice, but we have laws now. So laws ended up coming and replacing so much of what religions were doing. Sure. I mean, I mean, modern day. Well, that was the whole point. Before God would punish you, but now government would punish you. Right. That was the whole point of like democracy in general was we're going to be ruled by law instead of passion or religion.

But the whole point of the conversation, though, is. Islam is obviously different in this. Well, Islam is a very hot topic right now. Christianity and Judaism aren't using the Torah or the Bible to literally chop people's hands off or put people to death for blasphemy. Islam is doing that with Sharia law. So the question

is how has Islam outlived that piece of that? And so we're trying to get over that in our country. That's the whole point. It hasn't. Right. It's going through it right now. It's going and there's So you think there'll come a time in the near future maybe 50, 100 years, where Islam will be where Christianity is today.

Those barbaric things in the Quran will be, that's what we used to do back then. Because honestly, Christians have an excuse, and it's in Hebrews 8. It says the old law is obsolete. My followers will know me because I've written my love on their hearts. And that gives a lot of Christians

the ability to go, I can cut loose from all the old Levitical laws in the Old Testament. Except for the ones about guys. So here's the thing about... They're still hit. We're going to keep those. Paul put that in a New Testament. Here's the primary... Here's the primary difference of what you just said. Old Testament and New Testament.

You don't have a... Quran does not have that. We do not believe in that. One of the things that I grew up with and they would pride themselves on, right? And it is something that most Muslim nations, most Muslim societies pride themselves on is that those Christians have old and new testaments. We don't have that. We pride ourselves on keeping the book just the way it was since the beginning of its inception. And I think it's...

Now, that's a problem. Because that's not conducive to modern living. Right. And it's not progressive. That's correct. But I think it's because of how much clout, I guess you could say, that you put into Mohammed versus how much we put into our authors of the Bible. Well, the problem is that most Muslims are caught up on the fact that as if Muhammad is a

demigod, he's not a demi god, okay? He's a man who was born of a woman's womb. That's blasphemy. Absolutely. And I don't give a shit. I'm in America. I'm just saying. Just being honest about that.

Well, they consider it blasphemy because that's the kind of like law that just kind of put down. Like you can't question. Well, why not? And that's why the book doesn't change? Why can you not question that? I mean, look, he was a man. He was, you know, he was a prophet. He's the only prophet of the three monotheistic religions that was also a politician.

Do you not think that could be problematic? I mean, Prophet Muhammad, I don't know how much you guys know about the history of Islam, but Prophet Muhammad came at a time when the people of Korea, which was in Mecca, with the city of Mecca and Saudi, were fucking crazy. They were fucking killing each other, the fucking left and right,

or chapping people's heads off. And what you have today, which is the Kaaba, which is the main holy pilgrimage where Muslims go in the city of Mecca and Saudi, that was a place of worship. People had their idols there, that they would bring there.

People had all sorts of different gods that they would worship and they would bring their idols there and would place them there. And it was 10 or 30 miles before you enter, that space, you had to abandon your weapons because people were killing each other. So out of

respect for other people's faith, you had to abandon your weapons. Like they had a TSA out there. Take your shoes off. You take your shoes off. Put your machete through the fucking stand. Because we don't want people fighting, right? We don't want people while they're worshipping. But then when Prophet Muhammad came along, when he got prophesized at the age of 40, he was the guy who brought people

together. He's the one who was like, look, we got to take these idols out. We got to destroy all these idols. There's only one God and his name, you know, and it is Allah. So you have to, you know, worship to God. And how he did that is he was a brilliant politician. He was. He was a brilliant politician for his time.

Was he also a pedophile? You know, that's a... Was he married a nine-year-old girl? In the modern day times, you would consider him a pedophile because he was married to his wife, Aisha, at the age of nine. Nine. Yeah. I mean, she hadn't even re-tuberty.

And does wording it as a question make it not blasphemy? Huh? Because I went, was he a pedophile? Does that make it not blasphemy? You know what the problem? is with this whole apostasy and blasphemy thing is that these are almost like tribal

or old words right they they kind of bind you in a time as if you're speaking as if you're in seventh century and you're speaking of you know that oh my God you can't do that it's like no we live in 2017 we should be able to talk about this

so Muhammad when did he marry his nine year old bride like how old was he Um, he was a lot Old than her. Right. I would probably think he was a lot older. Do you think that maybe the reason he's so angry sometimes is because he had a wife and a kid that were the same fucking person? Um, I don't know.

You know, the one thing. That would suck. I think people, I think people confuse, uh, Popovama was, uh, not a very angry man. If he was one thing, what he was, um, he was, um, he was a brilliant salesman. I mean, and that's how I'm just going to put it. I mean, that's what you're, what you hit on. here is that when Muslims read the Quran, they

think it is so perfect because the Prophet Muhammad has so much importance as that man. When Christians or Jews read the Torah or the Bible, they go, well, these were guys and they were speaking for God, but if there's a mistake, then they were human.

People look at Muhammad as a demigod like you said, and that's why it can't change. And there's very, like, there's Jesus' words, but he didn't write anything. Right. So he could say, and he will also not a politician. Jesus wasn't killing, taking off either. He was. He was Bernie, God damn it.

It's funny. He was a little more like David Blaine. While you were talking about that, about him being a politician, I was thinking it was really the people who came right after Jesus who were the politicians. That's correct. In Christianity, our version of that, if you will, the people who were spreading it and making it into a real thing that was spreadable were people

who followed him initially. We had politicians, but they could get away with, but hey, I'm not the guy. I'm not the or whatever, you know? Well, you know, also the thing about Islam is that besides, you know, Muhammad being put on a pedestal as being a demigod, not having the ability to have an Old Testament and a New Testament. In addition to that, there is an underlying mentality, and that's something you hear

when you go to the mosques, which I don't really like going and listening to the sermon sometimes because they kind of pissed me off because I'm just like, wait, and the sermon say something like, I went to this one sermon in Dallas, Texas last year. I was visiting my family. And so my mom takes me to the mosque because my mom lives by the mosque. And she's like, I have all my friends and you should come and meet them. And I'm like, I don't want to meet your friends. So I went and this guy.

Do her friends have polio? Do her friends have polio? No, the friends don't have polio. They're just retarded. Vaccines either way. Yeah, what's up. And this guy is reciting a sermon that says, nowadays kids have a saying that says yolo

like you only live once he's like he's like I must tell you to get away from that do not think of living your life as if it's only once because your life here is a temporary life the afterlife is the permanent life now do you understand when you teach that to young people right so you're saying that everything I do here or everything I live here it's just practice run

it's not it doesn't really have much meaning it doesn't fucking mean anything So basically everything I do in this life is for the afterlife. Do you understand what impact that has on young people? What impact that has on people? I wrote an article once that called it induced psychosis and that it's mental child abuse to teach a kid that they're going to have multiple chances at this

and that it makes people okay with mediocrity. They don't need to achieve anything because only God can judge me and they don't care what people think because only, so they don't they're not functioning properly in society okay to to be fair and i'm not i don't know that me and you've gone into this for i don't know how you feel about this or whatever but there is absolutely uh a like a way of looking at atheism or whatever that allows you to arrive at the same thing and what i mean is we're we're so insanely insignificant we're one speck on this tiny little speck that's just part of another speck of this huge universe and nothing fucking matters.

There's no greater meaning or purpose to anything. And so there's no, you know, nothing means anything. So who gives a fuck? And you use that logic to arrive at the exact same, uh, this exact same conclusion. But that's what, not everybody, I don't feel that way. But I'm saying, that's what I'm trying to say. That's what humanism is for is to say there is meaning to life. Meaning is what you make it and, and, uh, interacting with other people.

in a positive way. This is your only shot at life to make a different. So it becomes a beautiful thing to say life is extremely precious and we should honor it and do the best we can with it because this is the only shot we have. And we often talk about Carl Sagan's pale blue dot. You guys familiar with that? This is one little speck and we're fighting over what? You know what I mean?

We're just one little thing. So you're right. There is a way. I would argue that that's an incorrect way and that humanism is a more positive way to look at it. I think it's an incorrect way regardless of your faith or lack there of or whatever. But her point is that that can have a way. have that negative impact when a preacher is up there saying that on email. I'm saying that that can also happen with, you know, atheists or whatever.

Right. And that's just that one very narrow specific thing we're talking about. But I'm just saying it's a flip side of the same coin. I'm saying that you said when you do that, you can arrive at this conclusion of, you know, this is a practice run. None of this matters. I'll get another shot another time. There is no other shot with, you know, atheists. but the idea of none of this matters

who gives the fuck what I do is still a thing that you can arrive at. You don't have to have religion to land on that thing. And on the flip side to defend that, sorry, religious people could also flip that and say, but that could also be a positive thing to say this is, this is, you know,

you have to make this as good as you possibly can in order to have a good life in eternity. No, let me be clear. Look, this is not every single Muslim in the world who's going around believing this. There are plenty of Muslims who, you know, who have come. come to the West who have embraced the fact that, yes, you do only live once.

You know, we're not going to come back. We don't have a second chance to this. You know, you live your life to the fullest. You live it to the best ability you can. You help people. You do good. You teach your kids good. You know, there are people who believe that, too.

But overall, you know, when you go to a Madursa, do you know what a Madursa is? Madurza is whether she chew. The lady with the snakes on her head. That's Greek. It's Medusa. That's, uh, You're a hot mask Drew

When I do a jury Almost called you Corey because you were being a hot mask He's a hot mask All the time He's just hot too Always Sweaty hot

Hey guys get a room I met sweaty We had one You're in it This is where we sleep It's like to get out of our room Is that free room Oh God

What's I saying? I don't even remember now. A Medusa. Medusa. Medusa, we're talking about. Oh, the Madursa. The Medusa, a lot of what they tease in Madursa is like, you cannot question religion. This is it.

If you question, you will be punished. You will be ostracized, right? So even if you're a logical, smart kid, and you're like, oh, those shit don't make sense. And you're like, you shut your mouth. You fucking shut your mouth right now. You do not question that. And I was that kid. And I got in a lot of trouble for it.

Because I would be like, but that doesn't, and my mom would be like, you shut you them out. Like I have a story. At least your religion was open about it. Mine, I think, had that. Open. But it wasn't a rule. That's what I'm talking about.

There is no open. But I'm saying they're owning that they're doing that. Ours would pretend to encourage questioning. And then when you do it, you'd be ostracized. You know what I mean? That's a good point. Sorry, tell your story. I see.

Wow. Sucks for you. But, so what? So there is a belief system that, so when you go to the mosque, the women are separate from the men, right? In the church, men and women set shoulder to shoulder. It's not like that in Muslim in Islam. You know, when you go to the mosque, the men are in one section and the women are in the section. Because God forbid if they sit together, they want to fuck each other.

The example of y'all being open about what's really happening here. Yeah. The men are in one section. In our church, they sit together. But just so she's in an earshot of him calling her a dumb bitch, that's only reason. what I'm saying is is like that that's bullshit but you said but in churches they sit shoulder to shoulder but they ain't equal in the Christian church men and women are not equal at all first Timothy 2 11 and 12 what is that women should keep submission they should stay quiet in the churches of course if a woman has a question she should go home and ask her husband is about that I mean for God's sake every I think I think as a woman I can say that every religion is about that but you know in Islam like when you go to the mosque the women are separate, the men are separate, and

you know, the women are just tending to the children and, you know, the guys are listening to the sermon or whatever. I lost my train of thought, what were we talking about? We were talking about Madrasa. Oh, yes. So, so the women, so at home, if you pray at home, the men if you pray at home together, the men have to stand in front and the women have to stand in the back. Do you understand?

The women is always behind, right? So my, so Fridays are holy days for Muslims. So On a Friday, my mom has my brothers standing in the front, and me and her are standing in the back. And I'm probably, I don't know, maybe 9, 10 years old. And I say to my mom, I said, why am I not standing next to my brothers? And she said, well, we're women. We stand behind.

And I said, why is that? And she was like, don't question. And I was like, well, why not? I said, I don't understand. I said, well, does God love them more than he loves me? And she goes, no, no, no, it's not that. It's just that men stand in the front. I said, well, I don't understand why that is.

I was like, you have to explain that to me. Otherwise, I'm not praying. You have to tell me why that is. You know, and that's why I'm saying. With rocks. And my mom's like with rocks, right? Then she gave me polio. Then, uh, just kidding.

Maybe that's what happened me, brother. They didn't even have polio. Somebody just beat him for asking questions. Right? Probably. Just beat the show. Oh, right? For a second of there, I thought I had found the line.

It took me this long. My brothers would love this. My wife has a story where she talks about being in church. And she's at church with her friend. My story isn't finished yet. Oh, I'm so sorry. Go ahead. No, no, Drew, now that you've, you know.

Can't do it. Now you've insulted her and interrupted her. Go ahead. Damn it. I don't feel like I interrupted. But go ahead. I'm just going. Now, I interrupted you earlier.

I wanted to hear what you had to say, Drew. So I stand behind my brothers, right? And my mom is like, no, you cannot question. Shut up and just pray, right? So my brothers are standing at the front. And there's a point that when you pray, you go and like, like, you bow down and you put your forehead on the ground. And I stood behind my brothers and I took turns, kicking them on their ass and made sure

that they tumbled over, right? Because I was so pissed off because my mom told me that as a woman, I had to stand behind, and I didn't want to accept that. And, of course, I got a beating after that. Yeah, with rocks. But, yeah, but that's, and then I became a comic. But then, yeah. So.

You, you're going to. Yeah, I was a simple story where she goes to church with her. friend or whatever and she's there at his church and she's like coming to a christian baptist she goes to a baptist church and she is in a presbyterian church and she says to her baptist friend with an earshot of his mother come to my church tonight we're having blah blah blah for Halloween like this cool thing that she just wanted to invite him to and her well that probably would have been one of the problems but the main problem was his mom then turns around and says he can't go to your church you have a woman preacher and that's not right and she still talks about that and how like it

had an effect on her as a little girl that a woman was telling her that a woman can't be a preacher. Like even as a six-year-old or however old she was, she was just like, something feels weird about this woman being angry at me. She was like mad, so she said, he can't go to your church or whatever. So it's there in hours, too. Sure. So I love your, I love your connection, though, to that, Drew, that here we act like it's not an issue. We'll sit shoulder to shoulder and we'll have churches that have women leaders, but Christianity knows women are not equal in Christianity. Right.

It's a farce. It's like that in Greek Orthodoxy, too. In Greek Orthodoxy, if a woman has her period, she's not allowed to enter the, you know, the holy place. I mean, it's wild. It's considered un-dween. I mean, well, you know. Yeah. Pretty gross. I hate it.

I don't want to, hold on. I want to be real cynical. What do you know my favorite thing to do? I got more, too. But we do, unfortunately, have to start wrapping this up in a minute. We have to get over to. over to Earls. The next one, yeah, to do the...

But this is amazing. It feels like we've barely been talking at all because we've... There's, again, I don't know why I've seemed like I'm surprised by this, but there's a whole lot to unpack here. This whole...

It's like, yeah, explain Islam to everybody real quick, right? And we went deeper into religion, which I appreciate than the politics, but there was a lot more to get into that. But I don't want to... We have this. I don't want to put you on the spot. Like, hey, fucking tell us how Islam and that whole world in the Middle East is going on.

You can't be the only spokesperson. Yeah, listen, I would, and I would never claim myself to be, right? I'm not a, I'm not a scholar. I'm not, like, you know, I'm not some, like, Middle East expert. But I wanted to know, I wanted to, like, I'm speaking from my experience. I wanted to ask you as we're closing, like, where you stand on the whole thing now. And also, if there's any, I would imagine this is, because this is something that I feel just about being, uh, you know, a white trash southern or whatever.

And it's that there. there's all kinds of shit that I can criticize about like my people and where I'm from or whatever and I do where appropriates and it deserves criticism but I also can can be very defensive about it when it's people that I know don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Don't know anything about it at all that are just, you know, shitting all over it or whatever. I have a chip on my shoulder about that and always have been, you know, and I get very defensive about that. Do you have any of that kind of dynamic and also just in general like where are you? at with your religion now. I mean, I know you're highly critical of it, but I remember the last time we talked, I asked you,

I was like, so are you like an ex-Muslim? Like, because I don't, you know, how do you classify yourself and you said, no, I wouldn't say that. I don't, I don't consider myself an ex-Muslim. I mean, I would not, you know, this is what I believe in. I believe that the people who are going to help form bring any kind of reform will be the people who have to be in the faith, right? You can't be outside and criticizing because then the people on the inside have their shields up and they don't want to hear nothing.

Right. Right. But if you're from the inside and you're like, look, we got to talk about this. Like, we got a problem. How are we going to help resolve this? Like, how are we going to break this down? I hear you. And I'm not, I'm not, I'm sorry, I'm not, I'm not an atheist. I've never considered myself an atheist.

I believe in a higher power. I believe, you know, I believe in things that I've grown up with about, you know, Islam does, has a lot of great things. about, you know, when they offer about charity. I'm a huge fan of that. You know, I'm a huge fan of charity. I'm a very charitable person. My parents have been incredibly charitable people all their lives. I've seen them help so many people.

Even when they didn't have much, they still help people out. And, you know, that's very close to my heart. So I would say that, you know, those are things that they learn from the faith and they pass it on to us. I have tremendous amount of respect for that. And I am, that's definitely a big part of my fabric. I want to say a big reason I think people stay in their faith is because of when atheists or people on the outside of the religion, even Christians, when they're challenging Islam, the way they do it is really hateful. And I think you're spot on. I think if you're going to challenge from the outside, be more respectful when you challenge. And that may help. But I'm curious about one thing. If you're inside the religion and you believe in this type of religion is for blasphemy, you do die or it's punishable by death. Who is going to, within the circles of the management, so to speak, speak up and go, hey, maybe this.

This is a bad idea knowing that they may get their own heads cut off for it. Islam doesn't have like the Vatican, right? Catholics have Vatican. Like we don't have like a... I'm saying an emom. An imam's not going to stand up and say maybe we shouldn't do this normal thing. But there are imams. Western imams, especially there's all kinds of them who say that. There are a lot.

This is ridiculous. But you're saying if it's real change ever going to happen over there. It needs to happen over there. And none of those guys are going to say that. Right. And I agree with her. It's always more productive when people inside. change it. That's what's happened with gay rights

and churches, right? I can tell you one thing where the change is going to start to happen. The change where it's going to begin to happen is that the governments have to, I don't know how the fuck they're going to do this, but one of the things that's across the board in most Muslim countries is the

dictatorship, right? So the military has way too much power. But also the problem is that it's constantly every political system has church and state mixed, right? So I believe that once you start separating and extracting church and state, people are going to chill out a lot more on religion rather than being like, well, it's Sharia. It says, you know, people are going to start chilling out.

I'm like, no, this is the law of the land and this is religion. Those are two separate things. It's highly offensive, though, to the Sharia law countries, because what you're saying to them when you say that is what Mohammed said isn't. Can I tell you who's going to bring the chain? The women are. And they're already doing that here. Oh, yeah. I agree with you.

The female mama was telling you about my friend, Ani, she's an imam. it's mostly the women in Muslim societies and Muslim nations that are stepping up to the plate and saying look the guys have been doing a fucked up job you guys don't know what the fuck you're doing you guys are causing all kinds of problems we have to step up to the plate and just kind of take charge and there are plenty of incredibly brave amazing Muslim women that are stepping up to the plate and saying you guys don't know what the fuck you're doing it's people developing and understanding that people are more

important than beliefs that uh absolutely and that's the that's also a fundamental mentality in Muslim countries is that we are willing to sacrifice our life for religion and it's like, yo, you need to calm the fuck down right now. As Levelle, as the very funny

LaVelle Crawford said you know, if Christianity had that, if they said that to him when he walked into church, he'd like, I don't know Jesus like that. Anyway, thank you very much, Mona. Thank you, David for sticking around. This was great. Thank you so much. And y'all, Come back to see us next week.

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