wellRED podcast - #280 - Chain Restaurants Suck and Cancel Culture Ain’t New!

Episode Date: July 13, 2022

This week Corey brags about being in a medium t-shirt, then the boys launch into why chain restaurants suck worse than they used to, and end the conversation talking about how “being canceled” ain’t nothing new!Go to TraeCrowder.com to see Trae on the roadDrewmorgancomedy.com to see Drew on the roadCoreyWritesForYou.com to read Corey’s storiesWatchPOA.com to check out Trae and Corey’s new podcast!

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They're all rednecks they like cornbread, but sex. They care way too much, but don't give a fuck. Live real rednecks that makes some people upset, but they got three big old dicks that you can so with that well well here we yeah here we are I guess yeah

hey I want to talk to you about a a symptom of getting in shape and losing weight that I did not think of that I don't know if this will actually ever work for you

Trey because of how tall you are but those of the out there listening did you know that when you get into a size made Drew definitely knows this when you wear a size medium shirt and this is been years since I've been in a medium, but I've been a medium now. You can always get the shirt

that you want to get at a store. Like, you know how, like, especially in the South, like, if I go and I see a shirt that hits for me with my large XL fat body, I was sometimes shit out of luck, because those are the first ones that get taken because everyone's a large and XL. And it was always just smalls and medium sitting on the rack and I'm like, son of a bitch, well, now, anytime I go shopping, I can get the shirt that I want because there's 58 mediums. It's amazing. I thought you were doing a different thing with that at first. I thought you were trying to say that like, you know, because back when I was bigger, sometimes I didn't have the shirt in that size because that's how it's always been for me with shoes. Yeah, right.

I go shoe shut because I got big ass feet when I go shoe shopping. Yeah, your shoes are like four X. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't make a lot of them. I couldn't look for shoes that I like to be like, give me that in my size. I'd have to go in there and be like, what do you? have in my size and it was always more limited selection. I thought that's what you were saying about shirts. Now that I get what you're saying, yeah, that makes sense to me. Although I feel like, of course, I haven't bought a shirt for myself in probably 15 years or something. I'm a big clothes shopper.

So I don't really know, but yeah, I feel like large is pretty ubiquitous, but I do get what you mean. I know from selling our own merch for years, our band-based being what it is. We love y'all, but y'all know what's true. We're always. Yeah. I've got so many medium shirts in my house. Smalls especially. We always got

left over. And then the bigger sizes, they fly off the shells. Yeah. I found some well-read merch, some old well-red merch, and I had Andy mail me, mine and DJ's merch,

and she mailed the wrong box. So I just had all these small, medium, well-red 2016 tour shirts while being DJ. You can't sell nobody. Like, I tried to give them away, and people were like,

but I can't wear it. What I'm going to do? Wash my goddamn. truck with it? Sure. Two things about that. This last weekend, that's a Tim Wilson bit,

ain't it? It is. Yeah, I wouldn't even wash my damn truck with a man's medium t-shirt.

I can't even put a damn sock puppet show on the one. Andy that I went to, like a festival like at a park last weekend

because we were trying to find something to do that didn't involve getting hammered. And they had Hawaiian shirts at this booth for sale

and the one I wanted, they didn't have a medium. So I do think it's regional based because they have extra larges and I wanted it to work really badly because I'm really a large right now

but like Hawaiian shirts are designed to fit baggy anyway so it just looked ridiculous or whatever and then Trey we've often said that when you found those boots in Texas it was like oh that was like a big huge store in the stone moment

but it was also like Texas bro like yeah we got big ass Cowboys down there wearing big ass cowboy boots. Like, that's definitely a regional situation. Yeah. I would say, I would say that it's the exact opposite in Portland where, like, there's no mediums left and it's all just the big ass sizes and shit.

But again, for anybody out there wanting extra incentive to lose weight, this is a, this is top of the line for me. Like, it's, because I'm a big clothes shopper, you know, may I like to dress like a clown and buy new clown shirts all the time? And, you know, I can find them. my size really hits that and i'm taking really good shits but those two things those are the number one and two yeah i think the shits are just your diet yeah for sure so yeah i don't know if this hits for people or not but we know we're talking about it what i've found recently which is

kind of i think funny is that like keeping counting calories and keeping them under control has always been like it's always been a thing of like okay i'm pretty close to my dad daily limit already. I got to, you know, dial it right. It in. Right it in. Yeah. And that was always the challenge. But recently I've been eating like basically no trash at all, like just healthy food. And it's actually the complete opposite where it's like, I'm like, God damn, I'm still not there. Like I have to force myself to eat more fucking tuna. On that note, at first I was relying heavily on tuna. And then so much so I didn't. even remember anything. I just, I was eating so much of it that I pulled up my phone and

Googled, can you eat too much tuna? And, and do y'all know the answer to that question? Yes, you can. Mercury poisoning, right? Mercury poisoning. I didn't know. And it was funny is, like, licking at thermometer, baby. Katie was present for this whole process. She seemed me eating all this tuna. She knew what I was doing, right? Then I find this out, and I was like, did you know you can get fucking mercury poisoning for eating too much tuna? She's like, yeah, of course. Everybody knows that. I was like, you've, you know I've been eating.

Sorry, hang on. What's up, buddy? I'm doing a thing. Hey, buddy. Come to a run in. What's up? What is it? You don't think he can hear you, Corey.

While he's talking to him, let me just point out that Katie tried to kill Trey, which made him mad. Yeah, she did a thing he didn't, which made him furious. Yeah. Yeah, it's an untraceable, an untraceable murder. Like, no one's going to be like, this bitch made him eat too much fish. I just almost killed myself with fish. And then, yeah, foiled her plan when I discovered it was going on. I don't know if you heard me, but also she knew a thing you didn't.

I had to suck. But, uh, so albacore is like real, but you're only supposed to eat albacore like once a week and like a one pouch of it. I think salmon's the same way. No, salmon, salmon, salmon and white tuna are all right. But when I say they're all right, it's like these are better. You can eat these like twice a week, right? Right. It's like, oh, it's that, it's that bad? Yeah, but, but, but, I know, but like, does mayonnaise neutralize it?

It does, it has to. Well, I don't, this one, I think it's one of those things where, like, you know the, you know how doctors be with stuff sometimes. Yeah, they, yeah, they don't want you to die. You can only do this much, but it's like, really, you can do more than that much. You're talking about, like, when they say. You're talking about what is scientifically known as the all hell corollary, which is. Yeah, right. Like when they say don't, don't mix these with alcohol, it dot, dot, dot,

unless you want it to really hit. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, then it really hits. Sure, your liver makes blood after a while, but it will hit real hard. I definitely have mercury poison. I don't, like, I was not really going along. Like, what am I trying to say?

I never eat tuna for the health reasons. It's so much mayonnaise. Like, it's so much mayonnaise. So I was like, oh, I don't know if I'm going to relate to what the point. of the story is, but then you got to the mercury poison part, and I'm like, wait, oh shit, like, yeah, dude, I eat it like four times a week.

It's also like... What if that's what's wrong with me? Mercury, well, because... You're just too much for it. It's entirely neurological mercury poisoning. It's not like you don't get like... Yeah, I know. I thought it was concussions.

It doesn't upset your guts or anything. It's like a neurological thing. It fucks with your brain and your nervous system and stuff. It's fucking freaky, and it comes from reading, god damn... That's another... That's another one. one of those bullshit, like, ways that God fucks you over because, like, you hear so much,

like, a pescatarian, you know, if you're going to eat me, a pescatarian diet is wonderful. You should do that. And then it's like, okay, I'll do that. And then they're like, but not too much because you'll get fucking poison. Right. Right. But that's not God. That's the American food system.

Yeah, true. But so what I'm saying is especially. Do we be putting the mercury in there? I think so, yeah. No, we just allow our fishing. We put burger in the ocean and then we allow our fishing industries to. to just like get away with it. Like we know what's happening and we're not like, hey, stop.

I'm pretty sure. Yeah, right. I think almost anything that's in stuff that don't hit, we put it there in one way or not. We do that. Or China. Sometimes it's China. But especially since I've had to remove tuna as a staple for that reason,

like it's genuinely hard to eat enough food that's like good for you to reach up. Because the other thing is that like... How you feel about protein shakes? I went and bought... When I found this out the next day, I went and bought a bunch of like protein shakes and smoothie and greens. Because that helps. Yeah, it does help.

That does help. You're right. But like, because you're also not supposed to eat less than this like lower limit of calories every day, even if you're trying to lose weight. Because if you go under that amount, you will lose muscle instead of fat, which nobody wants. And the formula I found was, your weight times 11. So for me, that's

2,090 calories at least every day. And so like every night now before bed, I'm like, fuck, I got to like eat a couple spoonfuls of peanut butter or something else just to get to where I need to be. But that still has the effect of it's still food. I do that right for bed. I go lay down

and I lay there moaning and pain because, you know, I've just stuffed my face. For peanut butter? Anything. Like, I mean, just put That sucks, man. Well, it's just, it's a lot of it. Like, you know, like right before bed. It's like because I'll, I just don't eat enough throughout the day, I guess.

But, yeah, that's been my main thing with it lately is, uh. Well, speaking of the, oh hell, I mean, if you just like some nights dip, dip below, like, it burns the fat first, right? I don't know about that. Before you start losing muscle mass. I mean, if I don't know, because see, that would hit. If everything's in order, that's like what's supposed to happen. But my understanding of it is if you like don't do some of these things,

then the other thing happens which don't hit and is bad because everything's not in order or whatever. But I don't know. Yeah. You know. But I mean, when I stop drinking, I tend to like, you know, slim down a little bit. So I recognize I'm like privileged or whatever in that way. But this sounds horrific to try and keep up with like, you've got to be a science doctor just to like. well especially on the road

this is a recent this is like the last two weeks and only one of those weeks was I on the road and like I held it together while on the road that time managed to find a fucking you know salad or like a in the airport I found a salmon filet with broccoli and shit like that

but it's also it's just real hard on the road to keep up a type of thing too that was cooked in Mercury dog yeah no I know that that's before salmon what town Atlanta. It was at the sole food place in the A terminal. It was the only healthy

The only healthy option they had. No, no, no. It's low country. Is that Phillips? It's called like low country. He said soul, not seafood. Low country, soul or something like that. It's in like the food court part of the Atlanta airport. I know this is riveting.

Yeah, I know where it is. Anybody who travels a lot, the Phillips seafood in Atlanta has the worst chowder we've ever had. Yeah. We threw it away. Do you remember that? is okay, but the chowder is pretty rough. Yes, I remember that.

I think me and Trey threw away the chowder. The single worst meal we've been edible. Gordon Beersh. That's what I was about to say. As far as I recall, I don't remember what airport that was that, but Gordon Beersh, which is in a lot of airports. Also, Easily the worst airport.

If I'm not mistaken, it's right above Phillips. Dude, let's shit on change for a minute because I, let's defend some, too. No, that's, I would love to defend some because, matter of fact, my heart is broken, because Longhorn, which I have long said is probably my favorite chain. The one we had just went away, and that really sucks because it's a place that I'm like, I know it's a chain, but you can always get a decent steak.

Their tomahawk rabbi was good, great salad, you know, just good people. How much was it tomahawk there, buddy? No shit. Buddy, I don't look at prices. I'm just, I don't know if I go to a place like that and get the top of the line, but then if you don't, you're going to eat a shitty sir one. Yeah, that's the thing is if you're, if you get the top of the line there, it's cheaper than the top of the line somewhere else,

and it's really in the middle, you know what I mean? But they're one of the few places that, like, when I asked for it rare, that it would actually come rare. But I went the other day, I don't know if y'all've heard of this place, Cheddar's. Oh, yeah. And Cheddar's came in and fucked O'Charly's up in Cookville. As I can see that. Oh, Charlie's run shit in Cookville.

And when I started working there, they were still running shit. They were the number one O'Charlie's in the country for like 14 straight years. they were the kings of Putnam County in terms of chain restaurants. And then, like, my second year or so working at O'Charlie's Cheddars came in, earth shattering, dude. I'm telling me.

Table turning, fucking just flipped the whole script on the Cookville, Tennessee chain restaurant game overnight. Mother's Day. Yeah. Well, we just got one. Like, we just got one. And, like, I have a pretty strict, again, aside from Longhorns,

and that's only if my parents are wanting together. I'm not going to cheat. choose chains and it's not like I'm a better person like I support local I do but it's just because like I can afford to and those places hit for me but we just got a cheddars and I will make exceptions for like a new chain that we ain't had because I just I got to try stuff that you know I will see what they're doing dude I will say that their rolls that they bring out before these little crescent roll gimmicks with the honey butter on top absolute fantastic top of the line but every goddamn thing else. And I know I've never been there, and this is probably offensive. But it's, aside from

the maggots and stale bread, fucking prison food. I mean, at hospital cafeteria, bare minimum, like, it was just boiled carrots thrown on a plate. The salmon, you couldn't tell if it was undercooked chicken or overcooked fish. The green beans was just plopped down there. A goddamn affront to God, not a seasoning anywhere inside. and like that was the best option I could get was this salmon dude like they didn't even like some places they'll have you bullshit food but they'll at least try to purdy it up on the plate fucking garbage ambers was fucking garbage and the last several times we've been to change it's it's just it's like they're all getting it from the same place this frozen bullshit food right i know and my point my point the thing that i want to say is i tweeted about this other day and i believe it i'm sitting there looking at this goddamn plate of food and thinking to myself y'all blame millennials for the fact that that y'all are failing. Like, this is the shit you serve. And everybody's like, you can't get nobody to work.

And millennials don't want to come out. So we're failing. It's all their fault. No, have you ever thought maybe put a little, like the Bill Burbitt? How many fucking bokes do you need? Put a little bit of love into this. And maybe we would want to come back. Like Longhorn's fucking does.

Longhorn's plate looked amazing. It was a good steak every time I went. They cared about you. But this fucking bullshit. Like, it's just every change the goddamn same. There used to be at least a little bit discrepancy between them, but fuck them all, eat local. Okay.

Of course, I agree. Eat local. I also already established. I got a bit of a personal vendetta against Cheddar because of my history with them. You know, I affected my tips when they showed up. But to offer a bit of a different perspective, you were like, they blame millennials for them failing. Again, this was over 10 years ago. This was in Putnam County, but Putnam County ain't that different from where you're at culturally.

And like I said, dude, Cheddar showed up and was crowned over. night they started whipping everybody's ass they were a huge hit immediately and the main selling factors were like it was cheaper than like oh charlie's and also it was they gave you bigger portion sizes because that's what we need in this country is bigger portion sizes than fucking oh charlie's as if oh charlie's was just giving you a thimble oh charlie's gives you an obscene amount of food but cheddars was even more and it was similar fair but with those two advantages and that's all you needed in cookbill dude they took over immediately i also we'll say the way that they like the way it was cheaper is because they had a more limited

menu because they clearly just had a smaller subset of ingredients that they used to make all these different things that's how they kept prices down but and this was when I was the track you know we've talked before about me like oh I don't eat subway anymore and a lot of the old trash shit I used to like I don't enjoy anymore and that's true yeah fuck subway well that's that's all true so keep that in mind because this is when I was in my early 20s back when I still loved all that trash. But I remember going there and being like, yeah, yeah, I got to give it up to them. This is pretty all right. Like for what, like, as compared to, oh, Charlie's, it was, it couldn't have been a more different, again, 10 years ago, maybe the whole corporation's falling off.

I don't even know if it's still in Cookville, but I have to assume it is. No, my argument is that they're getting worse. Like the chat restaurants as a whole are getting worse. Like, right, but I don't think that it was probably like this when it came out. Brand new cheddar, you're talking about. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, I'm saying, you know, Yeah, right. More than 10 years ago. In Cookville, vastly different story than the one you just told where Cheddar's was concerned. Oh, Charlie's used to be good to me.

I know that's what I'm saying. Again, yeah, I don't, I mean, most of them don't hit for me now. So I'm sure Cheddar's would not hit for me. But like, but yeah, it was a big deal. I don't even, I don't know what all kinds of change. I can't stop thinking about. What? Sorry, I'm on delay, my bad.

No, you can't. stop thinking about what? The old boy who is like just incensed at O'Charlie's portions after he eats at Cheddar's. Yeah, I guess they're trying to starve me. They've had another potato family. I reckon's what's happened here. Dude, the old boys, buddy, they would get so upset at any kind of change at all.

You know, same hits, different don't hit. That's the whole philosophy. We know that. I'll continue right after this. so like for example at one point and I'm not saying this hit for me either but it's like it wasn't that big of a fucking deal but like the big the big uh like the big ticket items at oh charlie's it brings everybody in or at least used to be it's because again we we're talking about white track the free rolls the yeast rolls that come out for everybody that was like fucking crap to those people they couldn't sit down first they wouldn't order drinks they wouldn't do nothing first words out of their mouth

Like chips and sauce, yeah. Roel. Yeah, there was a joke amongst the servers. It was like, knock, knock, who's there? Interrupting guests. Interrupt and get. Rolls, right? Like the old cow joke, because that was.

It didn't even matter if they were in your section. You'd just be walking through somebody else's section, and a new table with rednecks would, like, grab you by the arm on your way by and be like, can we get some rolls? So the rolls, the table. Why do they call them yeast rolls? They're just.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They're risen. Yeah. Yeah, but. Well, it's kind of like how Don Draper, they were, when they were, he was selling the cigarettes, he'll, they were like, our tagline will be, it's toasted. And they were like, well, aren't all cigarettes toasted? And he's like, yeah, but nobody's saying. And you know what I mean? You just throw it in there and everybody be like, oh, they must not put yeast in theirs because they say yeast rolls. Okay.

The tater soup. I pulled that out of my ass. Tater soup. That makes sense. Right. huge there and then the fucking chicken tenders right as the chicken tender

and I remember at one point they changed the tater soup not the recipe nothing about it except for the shape of the chunks of potato that were in it they were longer the reason they did that

it's classic like corporate fucking whatever corner cutting type thing to save money they were longer so now the potatoes are in the shape of a what a French fry. It's like a French fry. Now they cut all the potatoes for both fries and soup at the same time at the same

station with the same instrument, right? Whereas before they used to have a separate instrument for cutting the soup potatoes. That's why they stopped doing it. But the change in the shape of the potatoes in the otherwise completely identical, totally unchanged soup, was infuriating to the O'Charlie's clientele. Let me tell you why though, because I was one one of them. Because I was one of them. It wasn't, the shape didn't bother me. Well, it's that, but shape is fine, but what I found was, and I think this is directly related to them being a different

shape, sometimes they didn't cook all the way through as much, and you would have a crunchy potato soup. That happened to me several times. I mean, that's just. No, that's what I'm saying. But to me, it was like they cooked it for the same amount of time, but the bigger the potato, the longer it would take, whereas in tiny ones, they cooked real quick. So that was my thing is I got some, many bowls of soup and I was like it's not I know the shape's different but they're fucking in the middle they're not cooked so like to defend the uh rednecks a minute it wasn't just the shape it could have been a byproduct of that another thing that happened the whole time I was there and everybody that had been there said it it always happened which was kind of weird was that like people would

come in all the time and get the rolls and they come with butter right and they would be like no can we get that honey butter y'all have and the thing is not only did we not carry honey butter then we had actually in fact never ever carried honey butter oh charlie's as a chain had never had honey butter but you could not convince these people of that like at first you speak i'm sorry we don't have it that's logan you don't have it and then we'd be like we don't have it and then they'd be like what happened you used to have it and you tell them they're like actually that's a common misconception we've always had the same butter it's never been honey butter and they just would not hear it they'd be like no don't you tell me i've been coming here for 10 years and you know

but it used to be honey butter and now it ain't just shit like that. That's Logan's. I think there's a couple places to do it. And is Quincy's a chain that's gone away? I don't know of it. There was one in O'Cridge and they had honey butter. And I thought that their roles, I thought that's fine dining. I mean, I was like six years old.

You couldn't convince me. If we went to Quincy's, it was somebody's birthday. Yeah, what? Texas Roadhouse had cinnamon butter. And I also used to stay in Texas Roadhouse because even if everything else was shit. Them were fire and their cheese fries were absolutely fire. And, I mean,

oh yeah, peanuts, awesome. But also, there was one of the waitresses that went there, used to go to high school with us so we would get free beer. So like it was, you know, I'm a little biased on that. Yeah, speaking of millennials ruining and stuff, used to be, you could get peanuts and throw them on the ground and all these

pussies wanted to live. They wanted to not have fucking panic attacks and heart attacks in the middle of a Texas roadhouse like a bunch of queers. Yeah, I can't believe that one lasted as long as it did just because of like the FDA and shit like that. People dying and suing them.

Yeah, right. Yeah, and also so many so many well-done steaks, you know, that would like, that would, and this is like the ultimate like, I don't know how to say it.

Someone who orders well-done steak doesn't deserve this from a cook at O'Charlie's. Every now and then, they would somehow manage to genuinely make it well done and it not be bone dry. You know, meaning they cut into it and it's gray. It's completely cooked, but it's still somehow juicy, right? Like against all odds. Yeah, that's insane. And you should be on your knees thanking this man for somehow pulling that off.

But instead, every single time that happened, they would send it back because they would see the juice, the not at all pink juice, right? and they would be like, no, can't have it. Get away, if they'd like push it away and disgust. Like, that's that. They don't, they'd not only wanted it gray all the way through. It had to be also bone fucking dry. Or they could not handle it.

I will never understand. I, the well-done thing, I'm not saying that I can't understand. Old people. I get it. It used to be genuinely dangerous to eat meat cook that way. And they just never got over it. But, dude, I know from working there, it wasn't just. I hear you, but.

all. It was... I know. Follow me on this, though. I get that because, like, again, they didn't have ice boxes and shit back then. I understand it. However, you can't tell me that a well-done steak tastes better than just having chicken. And also, it's more expensive. Like, if you can suffer through a well-done steak, just get a goddamn hamburger because it don't taste good either. So you're just paying a premium to ruin a piece of meat. I just, again, clearly there's some people who, to them, that tastes good.

But I cannot fathom it. Because as I've said a million times, I genuinely would rather have a piece of raw meat than anything above even medium rare. Like even like, not well done, like medium or medium well, I swear to God, I'd be like, just give it to me raw. Please. Give it to them raw. I can't fathom it. Yeah, I can't fathom it either. I've been wanting to give it to you raw for years.

Oh. I didn't do the goddamn, I screwed it up. I want to do this. Chow's got a soundboard. I did the drum roll. I did the drum roll. You got a soundboard, everybody. All right.

Personal preferences aside, what is the difference between the dry version? Like the Cineba. Oh, I can't stand the juice. Okay, you're like, you've got a texture issue. Like, that's what's going on there. Or just like the juice grosses you out. I think. But why not?

They think it's blood. Sure. Whatever it is. It's not cooked all the way through even if it is. And that's the problem they have with it. Right. But the dry version of steak, I think objectively, isn't it equivalent to other cheaper menu items like a completely cooked through burger?

Or even fucking meatloaf, which is going to have more flavor because it's got onions and shit in it. What I'm getting that is. stuff in it. Personal preferences aside, if you want it that dry, why are you paying for steak as opposed to? I really don't get it. Chicken seems like a better mode. I'm with you. Because it's cheaper and it seems like it would be similar, you know? Say, hey, that flavor you used for the steak, put it on a piece of chicken for me.

Like, I don't understand what's happening there. I'm with, dude, I'm with you, man. I genuinely can't, I can't fathom it. Especially like, and I know it's, oh, Charlie's, it's one. one thing, because it's not like you're getting premium stakes, but like, dude, there's people that go to, like, Ruth's Chris and get a well-done state. I mean, not to invoke his name, but, like, Trump be doing that. You know what I mean? Like, it's his well done. That I can, like, I always assumed, I guess, well, they figured out how to keep the juice in.

Yeah. I mean, it's definitely better than a, oh, Charlie's one, but I had the best steak I've ever made personally on the 4th of July, always. I got up hungry. Well, I mean, I have to cast iron it. I have a grill situation here, but it's not good for steaks. It's more of a burger situation because I can't control the temperature at all. Like I don't really have a grill. I have a fire pit that I will put charcoal in and use it as a grill sometimes.

But no, I mean, I just did the basting method that I've always done like half of and half on the thing. I just figured it out, I guess. The only thing is, is like my fucking house is so. old and janky that like it's not level so my stove is not level so my pen will never be the same temperature or evenly cook anything so one end of it was more of a medium and the other end was more of a medium rare but um the fattier end was medium rare was a huge steak so me and Andy split it so my end was still perfect and she loved it too anyway I have no secrets I don't know what I did better just luck or time and practice but sometimes you just hit it so I've always

I've always been a steak purist. People were like, what do you want on your steak? I was like, dude, just salt and pepper. You'd cook it with some butter, whatever, just do that. But my brother-in-law, it was his birthday a couple days ago. And for his birthday, what he wanted to do was have a bunch of people over and stay on the grill the whole time. Like, that's what he wanted to do. Like, let me do it.

And him and my sister, they marinated all the steaks in Dale sauce, which normally. classic redneck move right there dog it it it is man and normally with the fucking dale's manated steaks were the headliner but but dude so like i remember that was a thing when i was a kid because like you said like that's just the move and i was always like no i don't do that no more i'm salt and pepper but bruh i mean they was fire they'll saw something like because it always because he didn't because he didn't like because he cooked it perfect so it was seared perfect all that stuff It was just, you know, it was a bunch of sodium. So I'm saying like I can see myself turning back to the dark side on occasion.

Well, dude, I always use Worcestershire sauce. And then I use rosemary butter the last six or seven times we've done it just because we have fresh rosemary than Andy grows. So I'm not just the salt and pepper guy. But I've always been that way. Like in the past I've used Worcestershire sauce. And I use either a Montreal steak seasoning or this time. time what I did was salt, pepper, added my own garlic, and then added my own blend that Andy made that is just a little bit of garlic, a few different types of pepper, like that she dried from the

garden or whatever. I mean, maybe it was that. Shameless plug, but if I ever use a rub, I use Smokey Boys, the Smoky Dust, which is a company that my dad helps out with. And all the proceeds go to the Rachel Gamble Memorial Fund. So that's Smokey Boysgrilling.com. You can get that dust. There you go. But no, on the Dales, a shout out to my buddy Corey Barlow that I grew up with. His uncle used to, like, raise cattle and stuff. So, Corey would always have, like, you know, homegrown and starving beef. And he would take some of those steaks pretty often and marinate them in Dales and then grill them.

Or sometimes I were grilling or whatever. And they always fucking smashed in my estimation. One thing that I've often wondered about working in a restaurant, thinking back on it, I'm really curious. to know what restaurant kitchens are like nowadays. Like if the changes in culture have permeated that far or what, because I'm telling you right now in terms of like, you know, anything woke or like fucking workplace harassment, not sexually, just like verbally, just like, you know, any kind-

Sometimes sexually, but not like- It was both, not like, verbally sexually. Not creepy. Well, and not like this old dude saying that girl's got a nice ass, but like some dude grabbing my balls and saying nice pussy. It would also like if they found out that two servers had boinked each other, then it was nonstop giving them hell about fucking all the dick and butt stuff that was going on. So it was definitely a sexual nature to it, but not like physical.

But I mean, dude, it was like, it was fucking hardcore and nonstop. Those motherfuckers had No filter, no chill. And yeah, of course, you know, future comedian or whatever, I was loving it and right in the mix with them. But it's, I mean, anybody that's seen the movie waiting, you know, I mean, they flashed their

balls and all that shit and that meant, like, you know. But it was, it was a fucking, like, aggressive workplace environment for sure. And I've often wondered if, like, what that looks like today. I have to think it's at least a little bit, milder, but it...

I'd say it's, yeah, but at the same time, and this is of no offense, it's just true, the type of people that be working in a kitchen, often, often, not always, but often, you just can't put a saddle on them. They got drugs and... You know what I mean?

Wrapsheets, fucking callous fingers and stuff, they just don't give them any bucks, generally. So, Andy worked for that catering company in New York. She was like a manager, and I would work, shifts there sometimes and we would run out of the kitchen we weren't really servers but we had to be in and out a lot there was definitely a change even as recently as as then or as far back as then

i mean that was what probably 2015 2016 where certain words weren't said anymore but just because the words changed didn't mean the atmosphere had definitely had this like 22 year old show me his big knife one night because he didn't like the way i was talking to whoever else and we got into it. But then also Andy sued that company for sexual harassment and won because she absolutely got sexual harassed. So I think it's like different but not that different. Right.

You know what I mean? It's like, all right, we have to stop saying F slurs because that server is gay and it hurts his feelings genuinely and okay, fine. But I'm not going to stop abusing people. Right. And like what Corey said, like the type of people that you often find. in a kitchen or less inclined to give a fuck about that type of thing. I completely agree with.

But I also feel like in a lot of these places, the type of people you'll find in the front of the house being a server or a host or hostess or something. Again, almost all 85 plus percent of us were college age, fucking 18 to 22 or 23, right? And I feel like that today, you know, is more inclined to give a lot of a fuck about that same type of thing about that type of thing you know so i just wonder i don't know i've just always been curious i need if i can go undercover and i know charlie's well if uh if you listen to all of our if you listen to all of our heroes and former heroes as comedians all these kids are pussies anyway they can't take it so which i don't buy yeah right um don't do

dude speaking speaking of that i saw uh and not that this isn't out there i mean if you want to find it. Like I follow Cliff Nesterhoff on Twitter and he's, and Yon-O-Cliff, he wrote the book, the comedians, which I highly recommend to, especially every comedian, but even if you're just remotely interested in comedy or the history, it's probably it's

the book on the subject. It's amazing. And his Twitter now is mainly just him sharing without context, old newspaper clips from like the 40s, 50s and 60s that basically expresses

that like cancel cultures, not a real thing, or if it is, it has always existed. And I saw Elvis two days ago, and like, it was very, you know, on the nose with a lot of that stuff in terms of like, you know, Elvis, much like Lenny Bruce was in threat of getting arrested, literally just for shaking his hips. You know what I mean? And, like, people. I don't know how that goes unnoticed or like by, it's one of those things like, like, yeah, anybody, I feel like anybody knows anything about.

comedy at all, like comedy history knows that like, Lenny Bruce literally got arrested for saying things. Yeah, multiple times. For the same things you ain't allowed to say. And then today they talk about how you're not allowed to say anything. But they're doing it on the biggest platform on earth, getting paid millions of dollars.

They're bigger than anybody, and they're not going to fucking jail. And it's like just so clearly disingenuous. The difference is that they want to be the heroes. It persists somehow. Right. Well, I said all that to say that because... be revered by like cool, hip, and progressive people because they want you to believe that being told you can't say fuck on television is the same as being told it is shameful for saying Tranny.

And they want to be admired the way Lenny Bruce was. They want to be put on a pedestal the way Lenny Bruce was. By the way, later. Not necessarily half the time, but the way Lenny Bruce was later, it's fucking garbage. Yeah, right. It's garbage. I said all that in the context of what you said about, you know, working in the front of house

and the juror said kids are all pussies these days because we were watching the movie and there were so many examples of that and like people losing their mind and coming to Colonel Tarne Parker and telling him like, if Elvis don't do this, then we're going to not have him on the show because of blah, blah, blah. And Amber looked over at me and whispered and she's like, and these are the people who grew up to call us pussies? And I was like, yes, exactly. Like, it's ridiculous.

Like, again, either it doesn't exist at all or it has always existed, but this is not some new goddamn phenomenon. But, yeah, I do think that probably a 22-year-old hostess nowadays is probably on Twitter or on TikTok, and so is more involved in that culture. But at the same time, again, you're not telling a dude with a neck tattoo to shut the fuck up. You're just not doing it.

It's not happening. But are you going to the manager about that guy? You know, and then is the manager taking action and whatnot? Because, again, back then, dude, it was a free-for-off. I don't know, man. Who's going to work two doubles on a Sunday, take the abuse you give him, and get the stakes perfect? Like, the motherfucker with the neck tattoo who's railed four Adderalls and three 19-year-olds during this shit. Well, that's like that.

Well, I don't even know why we're talking about this, because it ain't like people work anymore. Yeah. I mean, they probably can't even find a hostess. Yeah. But here's what I will say on the other hand, though, about young people and, like, what I would say, like, I feel like, like, a lot of the purple-headed queer, trans, whatever community are working. Purple-headed? Purple-haired. My bad.

It's not a bad. Purple-haired. Not bad. Really? The purple-headed queers. Man, I really got derailed there. I was trying to make a good point. I'm so sorry.

No, no. I've never heard that before. But I'm saying they work in that industry too. Like one thing, I mean, M&M is the prime example of this. The guy with the neck tattoo and the trans person are friends. I know. They're fucking back there doing drugs together. I was just about to bring that exact same thing up.

I was going to say, despite everything I've said about it, for the record, there were also openly gay people with their own neck tattoos who worked in the kitchen, you know, lesbians and whatnot. They're all kinds of gay servers and stuff. stuff and there was never any like everybody parted together there was never any like actual hatred or even like slurs directed at them and stuff like that it was but it was just constant fucking ball busting and giving each other shows in ways that like you know i have to imagine you couldn't get away with now like definitely crossing lines but everybody like was cool with

each other and it you know it was just i don't know sounds a little path it was it was all fuck the boss and mostly the people well well And the clientele, the public. Yeah. That was the main bonding factor was these fucking animals out here that we're all in our own way having to deal with, you know. That will bond a white guy with a Nazi tattoo that he got when he was 15 and a fucking black line cook quicker than anything in the world is this bitch said his steak wasn't good enough. And I know it's perfect. Oh, yeah.

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I'm sick of talking about it not not us on this podcast no yeah the world at large Bill Burr has two new bits about it on his thing and one of them is about how they're canceling dead people. And it's not that he's making bad points, but he brings up John Wayne, and I was like, that was literally 2017 when that happened. Also, fuck John Wayne. Sure. Yeah, no one tried to cancel them.

The other one he does is like that woke people stole the term woke from black people. And that's true, but he gets it kind of wrong because no one ever originally was claiming to be woke. People said it about people ironic. And we did still that for white people, but it was the people using it as an insult. Yeah, right. what I wanted to say is like I think it's one of the only issues I do feel a little bit like a centrist on if that makes sense. We're like there's nothing worse than a woke scold just trying to like tell people what to say and do or get someone fired who's like not a politician who's just like a dude or a gal working and they just made it.

Yeah right. And they made a joke or whatever. But then there's like. But we all feel that way. Like everybody like is kind of annoyed at the grandstanding person for the most part, you know. So like the fact that such a large percentage of our society has taken to their hatred of that person and made that their personality without realizing that they've just become the Joker in some ways where it's like it's like it's kind of like even with the gender thing where it's like the left is obsessed with gender putting gender in their bios and it's like you folks are sitting the woods on fire trying to announce the gender of your baby like to prove that you think. think gender's real, you're doing these elaborate parties and people are getting their faces exploded from these gender reveals. Like, you are more insane than the thing that you claim is

insane and that you hate. And that's where I'm tired of it and where I feel, I guess, like I said, like a little bit of a centrist. I don't know how you guys feel about that. Like, you can tell when someone's an asshole and you can tell when someone just made a joke and like, I don't know, like snitch tagging somebody who works at a school because they made a joke seems stupid. Snitch tagging somebody who works at a school who said the N-word though, seems like a good thing to do because they're going to be around kids. But that's right, right, right. So there's a difference in that.

It's like, like, you shouldn't be a teacher. But like if you work at like, oh, Charlie's, it's like, we'll just let them keep working there. What else are they going to do? But like, no, I'm with you. Like there was this professional wrestler. and he had gotten so many sexual assault charges thrown at him, like so many. And also like a couple of like,

was he grooming this underage girl and yada, yada, yada. And so he's not in wrestling anymore because nobody will book him. So that's what, which is amazing. But he started working at the, he was, he was never at WWE, but that's funny. Um, he started working at the Disneyland like jungle crews type thing. And then, then like it was brought to the company's attention that it was this guy. And everybody was like,

you know, it's bullshit that he could be fired from another place. Like the guy's got to work. And I'm like, I hear you. But if you have a bunch of sexual assault charges and stuff with minors and women feeling you don't get to work at Disney World. Like, like you can't work there. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I agree. But like, but like, if he was working on a factory line, which there's nothing wrong with that, but it's like, no, I'm sorry. This guy. does have to work. So like that really doesn't have anything to do. But I do feel like people are getting confused. And maybe it is our job to keep talking about it, which God, I don't want to, because I had a conversation with a booker who we all know and we're all pretty close with recently.

And they were talking about a particular comedian. And they were like, I don't find him very funny, but I don't care that like everyone, you know, the fact that everyone wants me to not book him is ridiculous. Like it's not my job to be the moral police, blah, blah, blah. And I found that very interesting because I was like, oh, this conversation's gotten so convoluted that you think people are asking you to make a moral decision. And I just said to her, I go, your decision is as the booker here at this club. Do they draw money? And can I keep my staff and everyone else safe? If you don't think they're unsafe and they're going to sell tickets, I get it. But like, is this person unsafe? And I could tell that like, it was like, oh, like, that's a different way. I don't understand how that's

not the conversation when it comes to some of these people. And frankly, we as a society, I think, have allowed that. I see people throwing Louis in with conversations about people who have made jokes getting canceled. You know, Dave Chappelle is a prime example. Right. You know, the things Dave Chappelle's done has been wild and annoying. The fact that he's obsessed with trans people is so strange. But to throw that in with people who defend Dave will also defend Louis. I mean, there's people I like and respect who've been like having Louis on a their podcast recently. It's like they've decided it's safe to have him on now.

They won't get canceled or whatever. Right. He's been included in this, let's defend comedy conversation. And that is, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. You know what I mean? Yeah, right.

We'll fight about what comedy could or should be and what jokes you can do, but whether you want Louis on your podcast or not, don't act like you're defending comedy. You're defending a man who admits, assault. Right. No one ever once said he wasn't funny. None of the things that he got in trouble for were, can you believe he said that? No one. I don't even really went after his jokes until after the fact, and then they were like,

oh, wait, that one was... Well, right. You're fair. We're like, oh, it seems like he's always been this guy, but like, you know, one of his greater bits that I can't even say most of the words of the title of the bit. I never even saw anybody bring that up afterwards, because that was. not what the conversation was about. It was not about what he said. It was about the content of his character. And so, yeah, I'm with you on that. It's like, no, no, no, no. Louis wasn't, and I say this in quotes, for those of you listening, canceled for saying anything. He was canceled because he made a lot of women feel uncomfortable and rightly so.

Again, you know, he just won a Grammy this year and he makes a lot of money on the road and stuff. So, like, right? Like, not really being canceled. People act like, like, you know, you're entitled to a television show. Like to them, they would think, you know, for example, all of us, me on the internet, my, you know, my followers and people that fuck with me are obviously super liberal, right? So I think a lot of these guys would assume like, oh, yeah, you can't, you know, you can't say fucking nothing, you know, with the followers you have. Right. And the last, you know, uh, rant video I did, I made a wife beating joke, a fucking lynch mob joke.

You know, I talked about the black shooting body to all this stuff. But every one of them, as we always do, because it's the way I want to do it. What was the joke? I was talking about how Marjorie Taylor Green said she thought maybe there was more shooters because all the antidepressants out there. And I was like, yeah, you know, back in the good old days, a young white man didn't need medication to work through his issues. He dealt with his problems, you know, by tuning up the misses over a casserole or joining a lynch mob like a man, you know. And that's what I'm, it's always like, there it is.

I bet that made her wet. There it is. But like, it's always stuff like that, which is the only context in which I have any desire to say those things anyway is like. Of course. No one ever cares. Like, no one's ever like, oh, that's, you or not say that. That's too much. Because, like, people do understand the point of things and context and stuff.

And it's like, if you're making fun of how shitty they are, then you can say some pretty shitty stuff out of context. and it's fucking fine. Like I don't feel very restricted, hardly ever. I did a LA comics podcast years ago, and they were very cool about it. They were like, listen, don't worry. Like, you know, normally it might get a little offensive on this show, but, you know, you're here, we get it.

We're not going to, it'll be fine. You ain't got nothing to worry about. We're not going to cross any lines or whatever. Then we get on the, and I'm like, don't worry about it, dude. It's not going to be a problem. And then we get on there, and I'm just, you know, being the way I am making jokes about horrors

and whatever. else and all this stuff. And then, you know, after it's over there, like, wow, you were like, I did not expect all of that. And I was like, yeah, but just, you know, just fucking making joke. And there was no. Because you're not a fucking brand. Yeah, right.

You're a human being. It's fine. I don't care if you, I don't care. Comedy's done, dude. Any of that? No one's got, like, I know no one's going to care. No. It's going to be fine.

I've made, we've made so many fucking off-color jokes that people would think we couldn't make on this show and on Bubba and on P.O. It'd be a bad. all the time. And like it's fucking fine. Here's what it is. Yeah, I was, I was in New York.

Like people understand. People are smarter than these fuckers act like they are and it's not the constant witch hunt that they act like it is either. It's just not that big of a fucking deal. But the they that you're talking about, the day you're talking about is now comics and that's where we

fucked up. And the conversation you have with those comedians before you did that podcast, it's setting comedy back. And I do mostly blame Dave Chappelle for this, frankly. We're in the culture war. We're not commentating on it anymore. We are

the victims and the perpetrators of these so-called witch hunts. And like I just, people like, if Patrice was here is it, I bet he wouldn't be whining. I hope. Maybe he would be. I hate it when people invoke, you know. Who knows. But like, the fact that

that conversation is what's ruined in comedy, in my opinion, Trey. Not cancel culture and not the opposite of cancel culture or whatever. It's that people want to be a brand and they think now that they think everybody else is instead of just being a goddamn human being. It's like, Tray likes black people. I don't think he'll want us to say these jokes.

What the fuck does that mean? Yeah, right. Yeah, people bring up old, dead comedians all the time and they're saying like if insert blank was here right now, he would be, you know, he would hate the way comedy is going or whatever. And they'll use like Bill Hicks. And I'm like, bruh, I don't know, because he's. He's dead and we'll never know.

But I have a feeling that if Bill Hicks was still alive, he'd be breaking a lot of y'all's hearts right now. I have that feeling. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, I mean, I was in New York a couple weeks ago, and I was on stage and I did some line that was like, oh, just because I got a buzz cut and open carry at a golden corral, you think I hate the blacks?

And I was talking with David Purdue and Joel Johnson afterwards, and they were like, you know, the only way I can tolerate you saying the phrase the blacks is because I know that you were doing it as another person, you know what I mean? And they were like, and that's cool. And, but that's the point. There's like, they're like, that wasn't Corey Forster saying that. That was Cory Forster playing this person and that's the way that person talked. Now, that I still wouldn't say like the N word or whatever, but like context is fucking king and it

matters and any smart person fucking gets that. And most people are smart about that type of thing than a lot of comments give them credit for in my experience. Like most people do understand that context. And most of the time they'll just stop listening to you. You know, you don't have to be like a sophisticated comedy mind. And if they do to understand that. Like most people

fucking get it and it's fine. But what bothers me is that so many of these comics who I do look up to or have in the past know that better than me and you or at least as well as and they've made this thing

where now they've figured out how to I'm being real. And then they know that attracts people. Anyone who can stand up on a stage or a platform and be like, I'll tell you the truth while being fake as fuck. It's basically I'll be a bully while playing the victim. It's insane. It drives me crazy.

I think I'm jealous of it because what a fucking great position to be in. It's a play out of a conservative playbook in the South. Growing up, everybody in town that was political was Christian. But they all were like, everyone's out to get Christians. It's like such a beautiful. place to be and it's so powerful to say we're the victims, all 100 million of us.

And it just, I guess I think I'm just disappointed in some of these folks. That's really what it is. No, I agree with you, man. And like I said, I don't really like talking about it too much. But my main thing on it is just like I go by the Neil Brennan approach that I learned several years ago, which has

always worked for me, which is if you say something and people get mad about it, wait three days. And if they're still talking about it, you probably fucked up. apologize. But if not, move on with your fucking life. You know what I mean? It's not that big of a deal. And that's just how I operate. I just don't. I think I... Yeah, like you said, like

one person commenting on something, literally one person can make a comment on a Chappelle thing. Everybody's like, look, they're trying to cancel Dave Chappelle. It's like one person said a thing. Shut the fuck up. Nobody cares. I think that I'm going to take the Doug Morgan approach, if I can which is somebody makes a comment

about something and I go, who? Yeah, right. Well, on get out of here? I believe that counter, you know, we did a little bit of shot top before we started. So I think that counters like six minutes off.

You're good with 54 minutes. You can sing us off. You don't mind. Now that we've done. Well, we got some back business to take care of too. Yeah, do it. So, thank you all for listening to the well-read show. We love to stick around longer,

but we got to go. Tune in next week if you got nothing to do. Thank you, God bless you, good nighty. Excuse me. Stop. Stop. I've got to make this shorter. I can do my own in here, by the way, so we're definitely going to have some farts.

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