wellRED podcast - #29 - Let's Get Naked! + The Boys Hang With Ms. Pat!

Episode Date: August 23, 2017

This week we sit down with the peerless Ms. Pat to talk about comedy and life, bookwriting and all kinds of great stuff, but we soon realized that we coulda been talking about types of soap and she still would have made it the funniest shit ever. She's that kind of comedic powerhouse. And when you couple that with a story like hers, well you get one fire ass conversation. Holler at it. Pick up her new book Rabbit: The Autobiography of Ms. Pat wherever books are sold and go to her website mspatcomedy.com for more info:)Before that we have a brief conversation with our new friend Jay Bruno about his involvement at GNI (Gay Naturists International) just before we all 3 got naked and went and ate hot dogs.  wellredcomedy.com for tour dates and to pick up a copy of our book! Thank ya love ya bye:)

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episode two interviews. The one at the end, the longer one, is the incomparable miss, Pat. Please stick around for that. You're going to love it. But before that, starting here in just a few minutes, we sat down in the Poconos at the gathering, the GNI gathering, which is the gay naturist international gathering, with one of the founders of GNI, Jay Bruno, and he told us about how this collection of the, of naked gay fellers

came to be. That's the funniest way I've heard that. This collection of naked gay fellers. And guys, listen, we're not going to lie to you. We'll tell you the truth here. The beginning of the interview with Jay, we kind of, there was a lot of shit to unpack.

We kind of got into the history. I don't think he knew us. I don't think he knew what we were doing. We didn't know what he was doing. We got bogged down a little bit. On the Wikipedia of J&I. Right, exactly. It's going to sound probably like reading a Wikipedia article.

But I'd say after six, seven minutes, something like that, it... But if I can... Picks up and we really... And from there on, it's just... But if I can't miss. If I can tell you, it's how much fun we've had at GNI this week, you do need to know a lot about it. It's been a phenomenal experience being out here.

Well, and it was so good once we got through the sort of history of it, just getting into, I guess, what it means to him and other people and why... And he's supremely. passionate. Right. Which came through. By the way, there's a moment in here, I don't know if you guys notice, I'm curious, where he talks about 12

dudes in the woods. Yeah. And another one came to talk to him. Yeah, that was Jesus. I wanted to make a Jesus joke so bad. But I just, at the time, I wasn't comfortable enough. And that's, like, indicative of what we're talking about. It was just taking us a minute.

Also, he was naked the whole time. He wasn't. You know what? That's probably what it was. Yeah, we didn't mention that. Jay was absolutely stark-ass fucking naked the whole time. Yeah. He was.

Which is fine, as you'll hear. Yeah. So, enjoy this episode with Jay Bruno and Miss Pat. Yeah, stick around for Miss Pat. And we appreciate you guys, and we love you so much. And here we go. Ski-you. Okay, we're here with Jay Bruno in our cabin in the Poconos at G&I's annual gathering.

Jay, you know a little bit about this. You know a little bit about the gathering, right? Much, yes. Yeah. You are, if I'm not mistaken, you're one of the founders of it, right? This is your baby. That's correct. They don't want to recognize it as me being a founder.

Oh, really? They really don't. But I started coming here as a natureist society member in 84. Okay. 84. There was five, maybe three or four of us gay guys who sat under the tree or when talked. The following year, 85, there were eight of us or thereabouts. And we got together, of course, we could find each other.

and we talked to each other. In the third year, there were 12 of us, and we sat under the tree in a circle, and we talked about all kinds of gay things and nude things, and the nature of society accepted us wholeheartedly. So that you were accepted inside the Nature Society? Nature Society accepts very open.

The Nature Society out of Oshkosh, Wisconsin, was run by Lee Baxonball. And he was a very open down to type of people, tents, single people, open-minded people. Unlike the ASA, which has changed their name out of the Kissimmee, Florida, very Winnebago, very highfalutin, five, my noses is higher than you. So what's that? So there's like an upper class nudist.

Upper class news. What do they go by now? ASA. What's that style? Well, what are you? American Sunbatant Association. Okay. They have changed the name.

I don't remember. I'm not going to go into it. because I don't need to embarrass them, but they're out of Kissimmee in Florida, but they were... My man Jay came in throwing haters. Yeah, yeah. Right. But the as a natureist was run by Lee back to ball. Very accepting, very into cab, into tenting, and very rustic, very open.

And I wouldn't even want to let anybody at the ASA knew I was probably gay. But here, the 12 of us sat under that tree. Why is that? Why wouldn't you want to let anyone... Because that's the type of... they're probably rednecks. Right. Fair enough.

We're talking about the mid-80s right now. And we just got over with Stonewall. And it was still coming down from then. And it really wasn't a popular subject. It still isn't today, but it was worse back in the 80s. Oh, wow. Stonewall just happened. I performed there the other day. Right.

6970s. So anyhow, Lee Baxman Ball came over to Murray Kaufman. Murray Kaufman was out of New York City, a very strong naturist. and also very much into the homosexual or the gay agenda. Okay. So that blended well. Lee Baxingball came over and said to him,

Murray, you guys have been here now three years. Why don't you take and run it on your own? We'll bankroll you a little bit and we'll give you all our blessings and help you all we can. Here, meaning where we're at right now. Right down there under that tree by the gazebo. It's where it all started. It transitioned from a open to you and other guys.

gay natures situation to someone actually saying why don't you run this as a gay natureist your own your own not not theirs they still are they still around up out of wisconsin okay but start your own group your own gay group this is a this is admittedly like a shitty question but i just go ahead to ask it i have to i'm wondering like was was that a why don't y'all do this so you are out no no no no no no no no no good i don't I'm glad to hear that. That's what I'm trying to say. It's a good guy.

The natureists were very accepting, very open, very down to earth. The ASA people, yes, that's what they would have said. They didn't even want us there. Okay. But no, Reeve backs and Ball was wonderful. If it wasn't for Lee Bax and Ball, turn it over to Murray Kaufman, it would have never happened today. And I sat under that tree with 12 people when he came over and addressed us back in 1986. Okay.

It was my fourth year of being, I joined, I found the nudist camp in Massachusetts, about two hours away from home in Connecticut. And that's when I found out about the naturist and the ASA, and I joined both. But the naturist was accepting and understanding, and that's when we met here as the third year. And there were 12 of you, but one person came over to address, who was that? Was that Mr. Baxonball? No, Lee Baxibald was the natureist. Murray Kaufman was the one who started the gay group. Right.

From here, I was not involved because I don't know for some reason, but somebody by the name of Bill the reggae singer, not it was him. Marley? Marley. Bill Marley. No, Bill Marley. But just their name. He owned property over in Strausburg, and he opened up his facility for two summers,

the gay naturist, starting to the gay naturist. Right. It was called Hoska House. Okay. I never went there. But somebody died there, so they closed that down. Okay. But in the group I belonged to, which was B&G out of Connecticut, Bering Gay, that was starting to form in 89.

Is that bar and gay? Yeah, Beren gay. Yeah, Beren gay. Yeah. He was naked, bear and gay. That started the forum in 89. I joined them, and I realized that this was starting to materialize in the Poconos. Are any of those still around other than this one, the ones you've mentioned?

No, no, it transformed into this. Oh, they all kind of got a sober. No, no, the B&G is by itself. B&G is still in Connecticut. Okay, okay. But because of that, I joined him back, because, again, there was no communication. There was no email, unless you got something in the mail or you went to a gay facility that would know about it, Who's not going to talk about it back then?

Right. So by being with the B&G group in Connecticut, I found out about what they're doing here. So the Haskah House closed. And G-A-N-G, Greater Atlanta Nudus Group, started picking the ball up with Murray Kaufman. Gang? Gang, yes.

And they were from Georgia, Atlanta. Atlanta. Yeah, yeah. And Jim Lewis, I think his name is. Let me ask you a question. Why, and I don't mean this, like, I don't know the answer, but I want to hear you talk about why this is so important at that time to you and anyone else, if it is. It seems important. I'm talking to people here all weekend, and this place clearly means a lot to them.

Right, it does. Go into the history of that. Well, no, so anyhow, so from here, it went over to, because, so the gang was starting to form, it wasn't in a hospital house, and they started, they were, started going over to Saginaw, not far from here. Small campsite opened up to gay naturess, and it got too large from Saginaw. It grew and grew and grew, because more clubs like I had in Connecticut

and the more club gay groups started picking it up and advertised it. Then I think, and I forget the year, but outgrew over there, and I think maybe 89 or 90, it got too large for Saginaw, and they came here because they knew, that Howard had nudist groups here before.

Not particular gay, but they were mixed. So therefore, we knew, they knew that he would accept them here. And Howard is the guy that owns the land and the facility that we're in right now. Right now. So that's when it got back to here. And I think that was probably 90 at that point,

or 91, because I met, probably 90, because I met my partner, my husband now, and I took him over to Saginaw the first year, but then it moved from Saginaw or the here. And I met him in 90 or 91. So that's when GNI really started in here. Okay.

They don't want to know that. Why? Because they're saying it's 30 years. But it's 30 years from 86. Because you've been meeting here since 86, but G&I really started a few years later. A few years later, later, right. So like that first year, GNI really came together. How many guys were here?

He's roughly. Probably, well, I know we were. I don't remember being the first year here, but I know they completed, there were too many for Saginaw. And I think they were looking at 500 as an over-limit. Wow. Oh, shit, there were 500, like, from the first year.

It started. Something like that. Well, yeah, because it was still growing over there. It was still growing. How many are here now? Well, I've been here when they were over 900. Wow. Okay.

And they didn't have enough rooms for them, and they weren't allowing camping on the grounds. But now it's back to 500. Have you guys ever had any? any kind of like trouble from anybody like the local fucking the county or city officials or anything is anybody ever fucked with you no no nope nope no good i just i'm glad to hear that not that i'm aware of and we would know about it sure the only thing is you got to be covered when you go across the dam because people can see you walking by naked but truck driver delivers

come up here with the food they come up with beer they come up with milk they come up with soda you know they know we're here um you know but as long as you're not running on the main street naked you're in a private property doing your own thing. Well, for sure. I mean, yeah, that's the way it should be. I mean, yeah, you guys are back here fucking doing your thing, mine in your own business. Nobody should fuck with you.

I just, you know, you're conditioned to kind of think. I know normally with the normal mindset of people naked and gay. Right. But we've never had a problem here. I've never had a problem any place I've ever been. I want to follow up with that because I've talked to quite a few people today and it's been really great in eye opening. A lot of people talk about how.

the nudist part is sometimes harder for some people they talk to to wrap their head around or accept than the gay part. Do you find that? Yes. Yeah. You have a theory as to why? Yeah, because, well, look at society today. Homosexuality, gay marriage, gay stuff.

But there are people who still don't want people to know they're nude because it's such a social stigma of a negativity. Well, you just said, you just said, you know, we've been doing this here. and I've never had a problem here and I've never had a problem anywhere I've gone. This is just me. Maybe it be you too. I don't think that's a gay thing.

I think that's a J thing. You don't seem to have a fuck with that. Because like, to me I'm like, no, there's definitely been people trying to fuck with y'all. But you were just like, no, you ain't going to fuck with me at all. Well, no. Am I wrong? He seems like somebody just ain't fucking with it.

He projects toughness, but I think he's also saying he also hasn't heard about it. I have not heard about it. Right. I have not been anywhere where this. Because most of the time, you're not going to go run down the street. You're going to be in a, we have parties at our house. We have parties in Connecticut, other people's houses. And we have people, we've been to New York for parties.

In New York City, they have parties in clubs. They close the club between four and six at night, and then, you know, whatever time it is, and then everybody gets dressed and goes home, and then the old club opens officially at eight. Okay. So we know enough not to go running down the street. street naked. And I have never heard of anything that I know of, you know, except what you see in papers. Do you feel like it's proper to, you know, not hide it, but like do it that way? Like be in the club privately being nude from four to six and then throw your clothes on and get back out?

Well, I don't like that idea because that's in New York. Right. I mean, in Connecticut, we go to people's houses. We get there at six. We leave at 11. Okay. But in New York, and that's the house. But in New York, it's small apartments. People are limited more. but it's the only way to get naked. And a lot of the clubs have... Well, it's very interesting, though, and I mean, any American can fucking relate to and understand this. But, like, it...

We have this, and again, this is a hell of the thing for the three of us to say, I'll sit in here cloth while you're naked. We absolutely have a hang-up in this country about just nudity. Oh, it does. Like, put sexuality completely aside. Just being naked is a fucking huge thing here. that we have such a problem with. I mentioned it.

I was talking about my new friend Brian earlier about how, like, it's amazing to be in such an open, naked place where in so many parts of the country, especially where I'm from, a woman can't even pull her boob out to feed her child. I know. I know that. Which is not even gratuitous newity.

That's right. To me, I don't even believe that's even a thing. Gratuitous news. It's like, look, we're naked, whatever. But like, a titty coming out to feed a child is like, oh my God, dude.

Just the thought of just whatever. There are nude, look under nudism, look under ASA, I don't know what it's called, nature, whatever it's called today, the National Sun Bay and Associations, whatever it is. Yeah, those motherfuckers out of Kassimmy, Florida. Well, but yeah, right. No, no, yeah, exactly. But look at how many nude clubs there are in Florida. There are in Arizona. There are in parts of the country.

Right. But they're clubs, their places people go. Right. They're really family-orientated. Yes, you still have the people, the, and I forget, it's been years ago, they banned. they banned kids from going to these places because the other side says it's not normal. Right.

And they want to act like it's all about, like it's like a sex club. Right. It's not a sex club. Everything's a sex club. You could go to a bar at nighttime. You're only going, you're not drinking,

partly me to drink beer, but you're going to find someone. My man Jay's is spitting flames of truth right now. Now, yeah, we, again, I mean, because back home, I'm sitting here with my clothes on. Back home, people would be like,

well, you should go to church to meet a girl. they're literally turning church into what you're talking about, like a place to meet a partner. Well, like, we have this whole thing where, like, on primetime TV in America, you know, on the broadcast networks in primetime, you can show a dismembered female corpse that's been, like, ripped open and disembowled

as long as you don't show a nipple. You know what I mean? Like, you could show her guts hanging out. You can show her guts hanging out. Or, yeah, if her tities have been cut off, you can show that, but if her tities are there in the nipples showing, it's so crazy. That's a no-go.

That shit's ridiculous. Are there more closeted nudist than closeted gay people in this country? Do you think, not more, percentage-wise. Is that, I mean, do you feel like that? Yeah, I would say, and I'm going to end up at this point, but I say there's more because gay has become so strong, the flag, the, we've taken, we put our footprint in the ground, where nudism has not ever.

I've got a footprint in the ground yet because it's more taboo, at least to the general public. So gayism, you can talk about gay, you can talk about homosexual, you can see rainbow flags, you can see the demonstrations around the world now commemorating Stonewall, but you don't see a peg in the sand to start with nudism, and that's where I'm going to end right now. Okay. And obviously there's a lot of differences, but it's very interesting to think of it that way. And Jay's got to go host Bingo. Thank you very much, Jay.

We really appreciate it. We'll see you later. We're joining us. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Jay.

Man, who was a founding member of a very cool thing they got going on here in the Poconos. I've had fun. And, uh, all right, Jay, we'll see you, buddy. Um, do what? It'll be, this will be on the, uh, on the internets. We'll send it to you on the, in the email or something. Thank you, Jay. I'm sorry.

I had to go change my band-aid because I got fucked up at Naked Beach volleyball earlier. You did? And we got fucked up. We got beat. We did. Thank you, Jay.

The three of us, now that Jay has walked out, the three of us are sitting here, we are clothed. We are the only clothed men for however many miles. All the other dudes here are fucking ass-necked. So this is a hell of a thing for me to say. I'm not trying out like I ain't got no hang-ups or whatever about it, but Jay was talking about kids. And he was like,

state legislatures and stuff made it illegal to bring kids in these places because it's like inherently bad or something and I agree that that's a problem me and my wife me and katie we like we'd be naked around our little boys and they're four and they're not babies they're four or five now and we've kind of went out of our way to try and not make nakedness something that's like wronged fucked up and weird to them exactly so like they see they see you're a better person than i ever give you credit well there a lot of people well a lot of people re-from you know they'll hear oh i know i agree they'll hear this to be like y'all just walk around your kids you saw your yeah you you just walk around your little kids naked that's fucked up and it's like it's not

fucked up no it's the whole point like it's just probably the least fucked up right it's not sexual at all it's just fucking nudity like it's not that fucking weird here's daddy you know this is who i am whatever my roommate mike and he won't my mom me saying this because he said it on his own podcast recently. We'll say his last name, so everybody definitely knows. Coscarelli. I like Coscarelli. The sleazy Jeezie from New Jeezie.

Apparently his mother, you know, just like will be topless in her own house. It's like quite normal and she still is that way. And he's like, what? It's her fucking house. You know what I mean? Like, we're family. Like, it's not weird, you know? And I'm like, uh, uh, and I hear these things where I start to go.

And then I go. Of course, Gene went in. The, uh, the some, the somebody in you is a, Immediately like, well, no, the, I don't, maybe it ain't that weird. Well, no, the I don't want to see my mama's tittiest part of you is weird about it. But if you'd always see them, it wouldn't be weird. The reason that it's taboo is because it's, taboo means I ain't fucked with it for a while. So it's a normal thing.

And again, Mike is super fucked up and explains a lot. It does. I was wondering why he always smiles at me and wonders if I like him. No, I mean, just can't. We definitely, I mean, like I said. It's a thing. It's a hang of us. We were talking about it, and he, like, had a comment at some point where he was like,

I changed my mind. Like, I was like, yeah, yeah, I know, that's weird. And then we kept talking about it, and I was like, no, Mike's right. And he was like, did you just change your mind? I was like, yeah, I think so. Yeah, it makes sense. I can not, well, absolutely makes sense that Mike would be floored by Drew changing his mind in front of him. That's funny.

Mike was like, holy shit, make a wish, everybody. Fucking Drew changed his mind. That reminds me, I wanted to say earlier, you said, I just realized I don't give you enough credit for being a really good person. I disagree with you on two levels because I give him all kinds of credit and he's a shitty person. Right. So I went against both of those. But I mean, that's interesting and like sincerely until you just said that and we've been here,

I hadn't even, that hadn't even crossed my mind. But like, yeah, now I'm totally going to be neck in front of my kids. Right. Mainly because, by the way, being naked hits. Again, where we are from, people will hear that. Sure. you just said and they're like, what the fuck? You pervert.

You want your kids to see a dick? But like, I'm like, yeah, I want my kids to know that that ain't weird. To be that fucking way. You're right, but there is a more practical question. Look, my wife stay naked and when we have kids, this ain't even going to be an issue. So it doesn't matter how I feel about that. Well, your kids are going to be adopted in black, so it's going to be a completely different situation. Which hits.

But I lost my train of thought because I'm drunk and you said that. You're talking about you and A you can naked around your children. I just said that as a joke of how you're going to like McCona Hay or hypothetical children. Well, here's another issue, though, related to that, especially being in the South. And I think this one's much more fair is living in that culture. It gets out. And then you get it to make fun of, there's a stigma. Or fucking, like, people get involved.

Oh, yeah. Like, kid goes and says... Child services. You know, my wieners not as big as my dad's. Well, that's probably super innocent. But you know what I'm saying? Like, child services might involve it. Maybe that's never happened.

I don't even know. But my point is, there's certainly a stigma. I mean, going back to the Mike situation, I was like, does she do it when your friends came over? He's like, no, of course not. Because she was aware on some level. Them's my tities, not her, them's titties. If I was babysitting one of my California friends,

if I was babysitting their kid that's around our age, I absolutely would not hang dong around my child. And I don't think you should because that parent might feel uncomfortable about it. Also, you may go to jail. Hold up, but I don't not think you should because it's weird. Right. That weird. I'm totally, dude, I totally agree with that.

But hold up. What if you found out some dude, like, was this walking around naked in front of your kids? And you didn't know him. Like, it turns out. I was about saying. If it was Thompson, I'd be totally fine with it. Right. Thompson's just ass naked walking around my boys. Obviously, I can't think of a scenario where a dude you don't know would be doing that and it be somewhat normal in our society.

Because then it's more about, this is a dude I've never met and don't know anything about. Why is he doing that? Why is he even here in the fucking first place? Let alone, neck. But why is that the default? And obviously I know it's because most people are clove more of the time. But my point is if it is quote unquote normal and it's not a situation where you're like something weird was going on. I was just like this dude was naked.

This is one of the other things. You're the grocery store in California. And then like a dude's just walking down the aisle naked, which, you know, I've been there now so maybe I don't believe. Won't be weird. Growing up, I felt like that's what California was. Right. Right. Yeah.

That's what they teach us growing up. growing up in South California just all naked motherfuckers picking out avocados That's how you steal cucumbers What if anything would you need To feel to explain to your child? No bullshit

Honest to God There's a naked person We're walking through A Trader Joe's in Burbank And a naked ass dude Just walked by Looking at the shells Not even looking at us

I wouldn't say a fucking word And I don't think Bishop would either He might He might be like A butt A butt! Yeah a butt Yeah

And laugh at it But that would be it. And that's nothing. Then you guys would get them dark chocolate. If peanut butter cups. It's so hard. God, they're so good. Trader Joe's, please sponsor us.

Good God. I used to work for y'all. I have a bit making fun of you guys. I'll stop doing if you sponsor us. If you have kids and you're around kids, like you understand that it's just like with racism too. Like no child is born racist. They don't have that in them to be racist. That's not ingrained at all.

It's the same thing with nudity. Like they, kids, little kids. want to be naked. They think it's fun. They're just like, oh, naked time, whatever. And it's not weird to them. It's not, it's just like, you know, it's fucking natural.

It's like a natural inclination. And it only becomes different because we teach them as such. At the same time, having said that, we still live in America, and I have to tell Bishop, don't pull your winger out at the fucking grocery store.

You know what I mean? I have to tell him. Why? It's not like they'll take him from you because he got his winger out. I mean, if you got yours out, they'd absolutely take your kids. Because it's a fucking, what? Because I mean... I just wanted to hit about you taking your wiener out. Also, you know what I'm saying? It's a crime.

That's one thing. Well, I was talking to my Aunt Lisa. I don't mean that's right, but it is a crime. My cousin, who you guys know was like, you know, my best friend since growing up, her kid, Jeffrey, loves to be naked, and it was fine. All kids do. She didn't care. She didn't care. She'd let him get naked in the grocery store until he started putting his butthole on people. And that was like...

Yeah, that too. Started chilling out. All those little kids are shows. They want to put their wieners in their butts on things because it's funny to them. Some never grow out of it. Man, so there's so many places I want to go with this. So real quick, and this is like a strange place. Go, go, baby. So we're all saying, I think, nudity is natural.

We're making a big deal out of it, and we shouldn't. But if we lived in that society, do you not agree that, you know, the idea of what is sexy, would change completely. Yeah, and that wouldn't hit. That wouldn't hit it all. I know it wouldn't hit. Yeah, then tities wouldn't hit as hard. Right.

That don't hit. But are you willing to give it up? Well, because I think I'm so ingrained. I think other things would just hit instead of bare tities. I mean, I don't either. I think it'll be the way they smell, which I already got a bit about that. Well, I love the way. That is the single most naturally ingrained thing in us that we have is we will find a way to want to fuck a woman.

Yeah, for sure. saying? Or dude is a game man or whatever. Even if nakedness is totally completely normal, we will figure something else out that makes our dicks hard or whatever. I agree with you on that. And I would also like to make another point that I think is important. It may not be important,

but like, I don't want this to come across as if you're uncomfortable, if you're uncomfortable with nudity, you're a bad person. That's not true. And I know nobody here feels that way, because that is one of the most ingrained in us in society. since fucking Adam and Eve, like that's the whole point of that whole thing. It's shame, right.

So, like, if you're somebody out there who doesn't immediately jump on the moon, fuck that, you know, like, no, hell no, people shouldn't be negative. I don't think you're a bad dude. I don't think you're a bad girl. But it is a conversation to have, like, but why is that? Like, literally, we're the only species on earth that close ourselves. It is especially a conversation you have when women are being shamed publicly for breastfeeding their children. But a man streaking, it's hilarious. Right. Or when, you know, Jay and people like him are having senators pass laws where kids can't be involved in something that, you know, means a lot of them.

Right. Like, it is a conversation to have because it's interesting, but it's also a conversation to have because when you actually think about it, it's fucking us up some. Well, it is. It's, it's, it's, it's, dude, that's, that's my, that's my, I've done a bit about it. I've done a bit about it, which I hadn't done a while, but it was essentially like, this is the only situation. I don't get who the you can't breastfeed in public law is for. And the reason I say that is because there's only... Christians.

I know, I know, but there's only certain... There's groups of people where it's like... It's Christians. I know, but like, it shouldn't make women mad because they're the ones that should want to breastfeed in public. It shouldn't make straight dudes mads because that's a titty. And gay dudes aren't going to be mad at you about it because they don't give a fuck to see a fucking titty. Who the fuck is this... Who's the victim?

Who's the victim? Who's the victim of this? And how is it such a majority that this goddamn log gets passed? Because, like, again, I don't know any dude that is on that side normally that would go, I'm mad that there's that titty. I also don't know any woman who'd be like, I want to have to be made to put my tities up. And again, there's no gay dudes who are like, I don't want to stay a woman's titty. That don't exist.

You don't know any of those people? I really don't. You know what? Maybe I just blame this on. Maybe, but maybe they just hadn't said this to me. I got a formula. I go really full of shit, buddy. I know plenty of people.

I guess the formula industry. There's this propaganda. I guess, no. No, I know what you're trying to say. And I guess you're right. What I'm saying is, what I'm,

no, they don't. I know plenty of people that say that thing. I don't think they feel that way. I think they say it because that's the right thing to say. But in their heart, no dude is wanting to suppress a goddamn teddy and no woman is wanting to take away her own

fucking right. So it's just this, what it is, is we've been, we've been just indoctrine with that horse shit and you just say stuff. I completely agree with that, but you still have to hold those people at what they say they think about. I mean, you're right. If they say, you're absolutely right.

That ought not be allowed. I know. I guess, but that's my point. When they're saying that, I'm like, none of y'all feel, there's no fucking way. Any of you feel this way. What the fuck? Like, you're not going to offend them if you say the other thing and you're not going to offend the shit. They just all come together and go, tities are fine. Titties are always fine.

fine. Titties are the most fine. Jesus Christ, that's the name of this podcast. Titties are the most fine. They are. That was, uh, I mean, like you made me tired. I'm sorry. I'm very sorry. I'm passionate about it. He's very passionate about tities. I'm hugely passionate about tities, but also tities rites. Titties rights. Titties rights and tities left. I like all of them. Titties rights. Titties right. Titties left. Titties everywhere. That's fine. So I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't

person who that's for. There was one more angle I wanted to go with this. I wanted to talk to Trey about it as a parent. The whole shame thing. Hey, real quick, just reminded me of it. We should shout out Dean. What's Dean's last name? Oh, shit, I don't know.

I don't know Dean's last name. You're fucking Dean in New York, Dean with the tent. Oh, shit. I thought you meant Dean that we met here earlier. Yeah, Dean Micello, of course. Dean Micello wrote a article for a parenting website about this very thing. He put it on his blog, Woke Dad, which has like 50,000 filers. you've got kids and you agree with our politics, I think you'll really enjoy.

Also, it's hilarious. It was also published on some big parenting side. Dean's also just the best. Well, because he got in touch with me about it. It was like, hey, I know you're a dad. You're from the South. What do you think about this? And it was all about nudity.

But anyway, so check that out. Check out Dean Macello. But anyway, what was the question? The question is... His Instagram's fire, too. The question is... the shame aspect. I've heard people even talk about, for example,

like potty training. Like, every time a kid craps their self when they're little, we go, shoo, you're growing, you know,

why did you do it? And we do it playfully, but then, like, my mom has made the argument to me. She's like, I've been guilty of that, but I realize we're just training them to hide. When we start trying to potty train them,

they run away and they tell us that they don't have to go because they're ashamed of themselves. Which is why when I shit on myself, y'all give me shit and don't hit. And then, like, This is a running thing. He had been a little child.

Go ahead. It's a child. But you're also 30. So when you... But we're doing it again, but this is going to put a question. If you were naked, it'd be fine. But you're 30 years old. You ought not poop yourself.

I know. Go ahead, Drew. I'm sorry. This is sort of my question, which is like, shame. I don't have it. Does it have a role in parenting? And like, where is it? Because, like, I can imagine, like, my 14-year-old and hypothetically, you know,

saying something on YouTube that's, awful like the N-word and I'm going to shame them because that's what they should feel for that. Right. But I feel like we lean into it too much and probably not just in America. We lean into shaming too much too early. Like with nudity, with all kinds of things. Look, dude, I'm probably fucking this all up and not doing the best job and I'm not, but. I think you're a great doubt.

But as far as what we try to do, I try to go out of my way to go in the opposite direction. Like Bishop, for example, didn't want to, he didn't like to write his name for a long, time because he didn't know how to make the letter S. Like he could draw, he could make all the other letters, but not the letter S. And, and I would be like, it, it's okay not to know how to do something. Like, you don't have to be ashamed of yourself for not knowing something. Like, I try to go out of my way to tell them you don't have to be embarrassed because you don't know a thing or because you feel the way.

You know what I mean? Like, you need, like, that's okay. The only way to learn that shit is to try and to ask about it. Keep trying to make the ass. It'll be good. That's how I try to approach it in the opposite direction of shame. But again, like I said earlier, we're going to the beach. I'm going to tell Bishop, don't pull your fucking dick out at the beach.

It's not a shame thing. These are laws and these are how people are going to. It's just the way it is. But that's what I was going to get into about being. just the way it is, shame is inherent in getting in trouble. And that's also, just the way it is kind of a shame thing. If he, you know, hits his brother and you go, why'd you do that? There is shame inherent in realizing that your father's disappointed in you.

So I would argue that there is, as human beings, like, there's a role for shame. Taking it, and pardon me for going super far with this, but taking it all the way to, like, current situation with Nazis and racism, I do think you should fucking shame people for, like, Frankly, for still supporting Donald Trump. But I also agree when people point out, yeah, but that don't work. No, as far, like, when it comes to, we started just talking about, like, nudity and shit like that. If Bishop fucking just walks up and punches his brother in the face for no reason, I'm going to tell him, you can't do that, you know, like, I don't know that I'd say the words, you should be ashamed of yourself. Right.

But I want him to feel bad. You know, I'll tell him, like, I'm very disappointed. pointed, Bishop, like, that's not, that shit ain't okay. You shouldn't, you know, I'm upset with you right now. You should not do that kind of thing. And it makes him feel bad, but he don't need to be fucking hitting his brother. Right. That's what I'm saying.

There's like a healthy, I think. Right. But does it work? I don't know if this is going to make. I don't know. They stay hitting each other. Right. Not just does it work, does it keep from hitting each other? Does that, again, I, maybe I'm going too farther, but I think about how we've been getting

we've been shaming politically we've been shaming people right and left everybody has and a lot of stuff's been coming out recently it's like a million studies have shown that positive reinforcement is better

phenomenally well and punishment don't hit it makes you want to rebel not that it doesn't work at all but it doesn't work nearly as effectively

as positive reinforcement does so if you can find a way to positively reinforce the good shit they do. But what am I supposed to do, man? Sit there and like every minute he's not hitting his brother. Good. You're not hitting your brother.

Bishop, thank you so much for not hitting your brother. Thanks, buddy. But I think. Well, there's also honesty, right? Like, I don't want you to do that. Right. If he feels shame, it's because he respects you and your opinion and he feels bad for hitting his brother.

And it's like, that's got to be healthy, right? Right. The way my dad, and I think who was a, phenomenal father, regardless of how I turned out. He tried his goddamn best and did a good job. He,

he, this is how he, you got the same job with me. I got two more degrees than you. Yeah, there you go. I did fine. But my dad,

and I also am who I am in a considerably fucked up town that I didn't turn out mentally the way a lot of people did. I'm a nice dude and I accept people. But my dad told me about cursing and I don't know if this applies to this, but what he would always say was,

I would curse a lot as a, you know, child and then go, and I still curse, I fucking cuss. That's what I do. But dad told me, I was, I had an argument. I was like, dad, I don't, I don't get how, uh, these words are bad and these words are good. That doesn't, it wasn't your dad's fault. No, no, I know, but I was like, but now I'm, I was like, I'm just going to joke about you thinking that as a kid.

But I was like, this, that does not make sense to me. And dad, this is how he taught me this and it made a lot of sense. He said, son, you're right. he said, I'm not telling you that when you curse, you're being bad. What I'm telling you is society thinks that's bad and there are going to be repercussions. If you cuss at school, you're going to get in trouble. I don't think it's bad, but you have to understand that no matter, regardless of what I think, this is how they're going to feel and this is how your life's going to be if you keep doing this.

That's what I tell them the same thing. So I think that's good. And I'm just like, that's how it is with Dix. I'm like, look, it is what it is. Those are grown-up words. You know what I mean? I'm a grown up. I can say them.

You're a kid. You're not allowed to say them. That's just the way it is. Right. You know what I mean? And that's how it is with dicks, Corey said. No, what I meant, what I meant.

You can get your dick out. I want you to get your dick out. But society is oppressing your dick. Well, that's true, though. That's what I'm saying is like, look, son, what we should maybe teach our kids is like, look, don't feel ashamed to your body. However, if you walk to the store naked,

you're going to go to jail for public nudity. It ain't wrong. You ain't wrong. But go back to one hit in the other. other one, it's like, that's not society telling them, that's you telling them. That's a day and that's, yeah, and those are kind of... So is that the line? Like, you know, you just got to be focused on

truly right and wrong versus look, man, there's just rules here. Yeah, I don't know. I just think my dad's method was good. Like, you all have been at my house we're hanging out in the backyard and one of them comes out there and just pulls his dick out and starts... And it's hilarious. And I... And I'm the best. Have y'all... And I've pissed beside him? Have you

ever seen me say... No. Hey, don't fucking do that. No, because you're... Because, A, we're... I mean, I'd like to consider us all family. So, like, now, if it was, well, that's what I'm saying. If it was, if it was a stranger over your house, I do think maybe you would go, Bishop, God damn it. Yeah, what if he did it at a wedding? You know, like, yo, you don't know him like that.

By the way, it would be fire. It would be. Dude, I would toast. I would toast. You would have to tell him. Right. You can't do it. If I do it at a wedding, I got a problem.

But how do you, it's not wrong. It ain't wrong. It's a, look. I'm starting to think it's going in that Louis bit, where you just fall apart explaining anything? Sometimes dogs are brown. Kids are, kids actually are better at understanding things

than adults give them credit for. Infinitely. Mine are four and five. And like, already right now, I can tell them like when we go to the movie theater, for example. You know, I can tell them, we're going to the movie theater.

When you're in the movie theater, you don't talk because that ruins the movie for other people. You don't talk, you don't fucking, you know, you pull your winer out, whatever. Put your butt on stuff. And they understand that when we're in there, those are the rules. Right. You know what I mean?

Like, they can get that. So if you go to a wedding, you can tell them that. Mr. But if you're talking about a fucking baby, yeah, but you can't tell a baby shit. But as long as they ain't a baby, like, yeah, you've got a wedding, whatever. That's another thing. Kids can get that shit. That's another thing, too.

People think that it's, like, wrong when you're doing a podcast to fart in the microphone. But it's just because we have been told. We're too hung up as a society on that. You should absolutely just fart whenever you want to the microphone. We often talk about a guy we look up to, Stuart Huff. We often say, you know, he's like the original liberal redneck or whatever. Yeah, he absolutely is.

That we know of. He is a bit called a file called Maybe. Uh-huh. That's great. And it's really dealing with what we're talking about right now in a sense of different societies, shame for different things. and then you come across a culture where they don't shame about a thing

and the example he uses and this is going to be hard for it's hard for me when I heard the bit I was like oh damn I guess where he talks about aunts not not a U-N-T aunts when a young man comes into manhood

they often like take their nephew's virginity as like a way to like process him into the world and that's like what? Hold on yeah you got me fuck no I don't say I don't think you said at the right way. He ain't taking his nephew's virginity. No, he's not.

Like, in some cultures, it is the responsibility of the mother's sisters. One of them, it will fall upon her. Oh, to fuck the kid. Oh, well, that hits. Not the kid, like the 18-year-old or whatever.

And that's weird to us. Oh, yeah. And his whole point was, maybe it is weird. Maybe it's not. And, like, I know. I got an aunt that could get it. I certainly heard this.

He's like, God damn, you're just butcher my joke make it sound like I'm defending the ants fucking their nephews. He's not. He's pointing out that we don't know shit about fuck. Right. Because they do it over there and it's been fine for millennia. And they don't have the shame.

And because of the shame, it's like non-existent. And he's not trying to say incest is good. He's just pointing out that shame is used to shape culture. And it is. And that's what I was getting it. Shame is used to shape culture. Have we talked about them over in Vietnam and piss eggs on the point? podcast.

Me and you have talked about it. I don't know we've talked about it. I don't think we have. I don't think so. Okay. Then there's no way. It's something else. So like over in and by the way to our many Vietnamese listeners, if this is not

Vietnam, I'm very sorry. But I think it is. And if not, it's summers over in Asia. So anyways, I'm no, I'm sorry. I heard of think. This is true. I actually think it's a specific region in China, but whatever. Actually, yeah.

Whatever. We'll figure it out. I'll tag you. It's fine. I'll tag your country. I'll tag your country. I will. So there's a country where what they do is that one of their like delicacies is that they take eggs. What? This is real. I'm not making shit up. It goes along with there's certain cultures that do shit that we just don't have. I'm not a sign that you telling the story. It's fucking gross to me. It is growing. Right. That's the point. So over there, they have buckets set up at schools that they have little,

boys that they piss in these, like they want the kids to piss in these buckets, specifically boys. And then what they do is they take eggs and they soak them in this piss and then it's like a food truck delicacy. Little boy piss eggs. Now that sounds

insane, no matter how you, how you scramble it, but it's been a thing. That was not meant to be a pun, but that's hilarious. I swear to God it was, I swear to God it was. No matter how you scramble it. Who says that? I'm not, I'm not, I know, I'm not saying that that didn't come into my mind because of that.

I didn't intentionally say it. Hey, Trey. Corey looked like humpty dumpy. I look like an egg right now. I do. Anyways, that's a thing over there and they don't think anything of it. I hear that and I'm thinking, God damn, what the fuck you mean? Little boy piss eggs.

That's the weirdest shit on earth. Okay. But, and I'm not going to touch Little Boy Piss eggs for a variety of reasons. Like that wild? Hold on. But it is wild. But where do we draw the line with this cultural relativism and the idea of the idea of, of, of what's shameful here isn't shameful there.

What about where it's not shameful in a certain society to do things that we find abhorrent? Sure. I mean, there's a lot of cultures that still stone women. Right. Well, but to be fair to those cultures, inside of those cultures, there's plenty of voices that are saying, this is bullshit. Without a doubt, without a goddamn doubt. But there's just things where you go, when do you go, well, we just don't understand it.

Exactly. Or, no, that's wrong and their culture's fucked up. And the answer, dear listeners, is, because we know you look to us for answers. We don't fucking know. Who the fuck knows? Yeah, we don't know. It goes back to this whole justice of this conversation. I mean, I can give an answer to it.

Okay. Well, imagine that. Trey can answer it. No, I think as long as like, whatever the question is, ask yourself, does it hurt someone? Does it hurt somebody else?

Because I was thinking about us here this weekend at this gay nudist retreat and all the shit that we've seen and it's totally fine. look around, it's like, everybody that, everybody's into it, they're doing what they want to do, they're not forcing shit on us, everybody, like, nobody's being harmed. So, fucking A, these dudes, whatever these dudes want to do is fine with me. It ain't none of my business, nobody's being hurt.

As long as no one is being harmed or victim, like Corey mentioned, you know, in some societies, they fucking stone women for getting raped and shit. Well, dude, fuck that to fucking death. But who gets to decide? Like, the little boy piss eggs. Do the little boys... I don't know, man. I feel like...

And also, I don't know. Why little boys? That's what I was curious about. It was also a specific age. There was like a... For the same reason that Louis talked about fountain makers making little boys... Yeah, there was like a... Oh, the piss.

The piss. My face, that. And there was like a... It was like, I don't want to... I don't know this exact age, but it was like they have to be from five to eight. Like, there was a certain age range. But I don't know. It was spiritual.

Is... Are they Victor? I don't know. What are that? All the boys are doing is pin. Huff's great joke. And there's more examples in the joke, but that particular one I brought up,

is it harmful for an 18-year-old man, young man who loses virginity to one of his, you know, ants? Over here, hell yeah. But is it over there? Because it's so accepted over there. And look, in saying that, Trey, I'm not saying your answer.

Your answer's the correct one. But there's going to be some gray area, right? Well, of course, yeah. I mean, hell, what you just said. Right. So going back to- If the aunt and the nephew are both ostensibly down with it,

then who's, you know. So going back, you know, full circle here, you know, is like, does it hurt people?

I mean, Mr. but ain't ever hurt nobody. The piss eggs probably hurt Mr. But, guarantee that. And Dicks,

Wainers, titty's, being about, that ain't never hurt nobody. We's got to stop shaming people for being naked. And also just keep them to yourselves, I guess.

But that's shaming people. No, no, no. I'm saying my dick's here. If you want, if you want my dick, I will put it on you, but I ain't just going to come to slot my dick on you. That's all I'm saying.

Nudity should be fine. Dicks are good as long as you keep your dick where you want your dick or if somebody else wants your dick there. That's cool. And also tities and butts too. Well, that sounded more profound in my head. I bet. Well, we have finally arrived at. Well, tities and butts too.

Thank y'all. I've been Corey Forrester. What we finally arrived at is, yeah, I mean, you know, I can handle some more titties and butts. Yeah, without a doubt. Signed Cho. Yeah, the Cho, yeah, the Cho wants more tities and butts, and he thinks you should be good with that, too. Well, that's inarguable. And for me to say that, you know.

That's something. Why, I can't wait to hear how our guest this week feels about the conversation we did leading into her interview. She's going to find it pretty funny, I think. like our interview subject this week, which is none other than Miss Pat. Both of y'all know Miss Pat or knew Miss Pat. Oh, I knew Miss Pat, but I was shittily unfortunate enough not to be here for this interview. Corey is not a part of the interview. I've never regret anything more because as our listeners will assume after they hear this,

that would have been two shows in the same room, and I'm pissed that that didn't happen. We may have exploded. It may have been a good thing. I had worked with Miss Pat very early in our career, Trey, at Sidesput. and I'd seen her headline and it sincerely and I talk about this a little bit on the podcast with her was magic.

It was one of those things where I wasn't prone to talking about this necessarily at the time because I didn't know shit about fuck I just started where I saw her though and I was like oh you're not going to stop your star will keep rising and it has as she gets into

she's got a show coming out she's got a book that we talk about rabbit it's about her life and it wasn't just how unique her story was, which is a big part of it. It's a very unique, crazy story. She's so, so, she's just a beautiful spirit

in the way she talks about it. You know what? Well, there's a lot of people. You know what? Without fucking shame. Right. I'm not just trying to do a weird fucking connection in what we've been talking about.

You're 100% right. But not necessarily like pride of like, and we get into this, I don't want to give way too many spoilers, but not like, I'm proud how it is. She tells it like, I'm not a drug dealer. She tells the truth. She's not the only one with that story, but she tells that story very good.

Yes, there's skills. She's good at telling that very sad story. There's so much skill, and there's this beauty of, like I said, no, not pride, but not shame either. Just truth. No, she, I, like, both y'all had, like, worked with it before. I had some passing familiarity with her, at least. I knew of Miss Pat. I knew who she was.

You know, I knew what she had going on and all that stuff. I've never worked with her. I've never seen her stand up. I never met her until this interview that me and Drew did with her. And I tell y'all, God damn, she had me fucking wrecked. I about couldn't even carry on a fucking interview with her because she was killing me. Like, this is, you're going to enjoy this shit. I won't tell you, I won't tell you the story.

You go look it up yourself right now. Her story on this is not happening, which is, when Ari Sheffir had the show. That's one of the hardest I've ever laughed in my entire life. Our manager sent to us before any of this happens that you've got to watch this Miss Pat's story. And I've quoted it a million times. It's so goddamn funny.

So please check out Miss Pat. Check out her book, Rabbit. Absolutely. And enjoy this interview with Miss Pat. Thank y'all very much. We'll see you next time. Skiw! Miss Pat, thank you for being here in my

uh, Burbank guest house. Would you, is this a guest house? Would you, what is this? A building out back?

What is it? No, this is a guest house. Okay. Well, thank you. I appreciate it. I've seen buildings out back.

They don't have doors. Yeah, I've got my house I grew up in. We got a building out back. That's, because I, you know, I'm from,

we talked about this a little bit, but I'm from Tennessee, rural, middle of nowhere, Tennessee, and I grew up super poor, white trash, that whole thing. So this is all very new.

And, I'm not, you know, used all this stuff. It's still, and I don't know how it works. Yeah, well, I'm running water, but yeah, not much above that. But I was telling you when you first got here, and this is true, I've started reading your book. I haven't finished it, but I've started it, and it's enthralling. The book is called Rabbit, the autobiography of Miss Pat, and it comes out.

It came out yesterday. No, August 22nd. Right, but so we're sitting here on August 9th when this gets, it's all right. It comes out August 22nd, Tuesday, August 22nd. Everybody go check it out. It's incredible. And what I was telling you about it is I talk a lot about my childhood and growing up porn. My mama being a drug addict and all this stuff because it's natural to talk about that kind of thing.

Reading your book makes me feel like I should just not even talk about my childhood ever again. Because, I mean, it's pretty intense. Reading my book made you lose your white trash card. Yeah, God, I was like, well, I'd be damn. I had a bad fucking life, if you're going to lose your white trash card. Jay went shopping at Jay Crew immediately. Yes, yes.

He started playing golf. Abercrombing and fitch and shit. It just made me feel whiny and shit, you know. White trash or ghetto or whatever you want to say. We didn't even know how to make a joke about what you would do if you were real white all of a sudden. Like, by stock, I guess. Golf is good, I think.

That's a good one. Golf say you made a little bit of money. Right. But so you, for people that don't know, well, first of all, you're stand-up comedian and had been for a while, but you grew up in Atlanta. Intercity of Atlanta. And a pretty rough and humble upbringing. I don't know about humble, but the bitch was rough. Yeah, I grew up in the inner city of Atlanta, West End, all black, of course, and got into a bunch of bullshit at two kids by the time.

I was 15 by my married man. got shot a couple times in a bad relationship dropped out of school started selling drugs end up in prison then turn it all around right yeah

so there you go thanks for coming Miss Pat we'll see it no no but seriously now we can break it down right well that's the thing like I do of course I want to talk about it

but also you know if you listen just get the damn book because that's what the book is all about you know and read the book and you'll get all the gory details but I mean yeah that is I mean it's amazing and then

turned it around. You have this book now. You're a successful comedian. Have been for a while. You're developing a TV show and everything. You're doing well. When did that start? When did you decide to stop selling crack? And then that and also comedy.

Did that happen at the same time? No, I stopped selling crack first. And then I found a good black man who could read with black teeth that is very important than a black man. If you ever decide to date one, get the ones with the back teeth. That's literally what we were talking about the last episode is how we all have fucked up.

We're white trash and our teeth are fucked up. I don't know about that, but I know a black man without back teeth, he ain't going to work. But he got the good dick, but he ain't going to work. I'm just pre-warning you. So I found my husband 24 years ago and got into this relationship. You know, things started to work out and realized I'm a convict. the felon and couldn't get a job. Right.

So I would do hustles and shit and I'm like, I'm tired of people saying no. So somebody was like, you're funny. I had a caseworker. I went to get on welfare and food stamps. And I'm always scheming. I go down now with my sad stories. You know, every six-month white casework,

it's easy to make white people feel bad about black shit. Oh, my God. They're not feeding the black baby. Hell, bitch. Give me more. You know, you can run that black guilt. on a fucking educated white person in a man because they don't want to seem like they're racist.

So I give you anything you need. So I go to recertify and I pop up because they change the casework every six months and there's a fucking black casework. And I'm like, fuck. How in the hell I'm going to run scheme on this bitch? So I started with the sad stories about how I grew up in a bootleg house

and we stole a set of food sales from my aunt and my granddad and hung guts and shit. You know, thinking the black lady going to start crying like the white people do. This bitch burst out laughing. And I was like, what's funny? He hung us. Oh, because we stole food stamps to play Pac-Man.

And she was like, you got all these crazy-ass stories. You should be a comedian. And I was like, bitch, I didn't come in for a job. I came in for free shit so I can go home and catch up on the young and the restless. Love that fucking young and the wrestling. She just kept at me. You should be a comedian. You should be a comedian.

So I said, okay, let me go get this shit to try. So I went and did an open mic. And they laughed. And I was like, fuck. Y'all just going to give me a mic. let me talk and ain't nobody going to check my criminal background history this is a job for me and i i never fucking stop i'm 15 years in 15 years in 15 years in again absolutely believe you were getting laughs right off oh i was getting laugh i was talking i didn't know what the fuck i was doing

i was threatening people you better laugh motherfucker i beat your brains out i was saying before we got on the mics but i'll say it here i saw you years ago i was a baby that was probably i'd probably been hosting three months there at sidesflitter So I've been doing comedy maybe a year and a half. And you came in your headlines. And it was one of those where, you know, you see the headliner Thursday and Friday. And then by Saturday you don't want to go back in there. But I went in there and watched you every time because you had such a natural thing.

And you just said that you were telling people you were going to beat their ass. White people in the South fucking love you because you tell them the truth, but apparently in a way that they can take it. You know, I'm big and black, but I'm not threatening. I'm like your sister. You know, I try to make people feel comfortable So when you see me and I say crazy shit to you, You don't even realize I'm black And you're supposed to be scared of me if you're white

And you're scared of black people I'm like, oh, that's just fucking Miss Pat. I'm like, bring your ass here, Little pretty-titty white girl Pretty-titty white girl. Okay, me and Pat, I got pretty titty. Come on here, let me fill on your ass. So don't you try that shit now.

So do you have an audio version? I do have an audio version? version and I read it. Hell yeah, and that was some hard shit. That was some hard shit. That book had words I couldn't pronounce. I was like, hey, get Siri out. So ask this bitch, what's that word that could go with this word that mean the same

thing? Man, that was some hard shit reading the book. I have not read shit that long and I don't think I ever read that nothing that long in my life. So that was very hard. My own fucking book was the first book I finished. See, that's some white trash shit.

It is. With some Negro shit too. God damn. Yeah. So what was the open mic at that very first one? Was it at? It was at a place called...

No, it was a bar called the pub. And it was a, this white girl was in the acting of food and I was like, Joan, and that's when you're picking on somebody. And I do that pretty well. I'm not the person that you want to help because I would destroy you. I guarantee you. And so, I was killing this little white girl. And everybody was

like, oh, she's so fun. I was like, I'm a fucking comedian. Then no, you can't. you got to drag this bitch to every club for this shit to work. Why am I not as funny as I was last week? Where that bitch had? I need help. So it was a learning experience. Yeah.

And when I moved to Indianapolis 10 years ago, it was no like urban scene in Indianapolis. So it forced me to cross over. Right. And so I had to go into the mainstream clubs. And, oh, the owner was so shitted to me. It was a black owner. And he was so shit at him. It's nothing like a club owner that fucking don't want to see you rise.

I mean, you got some, it's some hater motherfuckers. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, hell. We saw that. Yeah, Drew said he met you at side sputters. I don't know what your experience was when you came through sidesplitters, but that was our home club. And it's not there anymore.

It closed down. But they were very much. I mean, they were. I don't know because that's the only home. That's the only club I've ever came up in is that. Well, that and the comedy catch in Chattanooga. And I know Alfono in Chattano. is way better than them in that way,

but I think they're about as bad as you could be. No, you ain't met this black motherfucker name Eric Shorts in Indianapolis. I mean, he was a straight hater. Well, say shit to me,

because he had a white audience. And he was in, like, in Karma, Indiana, the richest county, Hendry County. And he would say, my seven o'clock crowd would never get you. And I'm like,

you ugly motherfucker, they get your Jacquelineal teeth that ass. You know, all his teeth was rot and looked like a pumpkin. mouth. And I'm like, they get you, but he would just do shit, like, wouldn't let me go on stage and told me I was ghetto, told me, you know, nobody, white people would never understand me. And, you know, the good part about me that I had already had a motherfucker in my life who beat me down. So I had already been down that row, and I was already built back up, so one of them knocking

me down. So I was able to take them punches and keep rolling. I was like, I show you, you little ugly motherfucker. And look, he don't even on the club no more. He was. He was robbed the bank and I don't know what the fuck he had. He ain't impressed. That's the only black man I know that got away with robbing the bank. I don't know what the fuck he did. Who did? He sucked on the force, but he is not in jail.

Why did you move from Atlanta, Indianapolis? Was it your husband? My husband works for General Motors. So he figured, hey, I'm in my late 30s. I'm never going to get a job to pay like this again. So let's pack up all shit like the Beverly Hills building. And we landed in Plainfield, Indiana. Okay.

That's what you did. Packed up like the Beverly Hillbillies, Trey. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. They had out here. Yeah, there was a few reality TV show companies that wanted to, thought it'd be a good idea to capture that. Like, you like, the real life Beverly Hillbillies,

we'll just set some cameras up over there, and, you know, kids running around. Did you do a reality show? No, I'm saying, people wanted me to, and I was always like, no. Because I'm not trying to be, that's the thing, I'm not trying to be, we go out of our way to not be, like, hillbilly blackface or whatever if that makes sense like that. What the fuck is hillbilly black face? I just

seen a black man trying to be a hillbilly when you said that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What I mean is like just crazy stuff, you know, just fucking spitting in a fucking like that white dude. Yeah. With a one tooth in your mouth

and a fucking floppy ass straw hat and a big beard. Like that white boy who killed himself. He was like a hillbilly redneck had the reality show. The young deal? Oh, are you talking about the guy on the, like, the redneck version of Jersey Shore that, like, ran a four-wheeler off a cliff or some shit? Yes. He dead, ain't he?

Yeah, yeah, he died, and they canceled that show. I don't remember the day. Well, yeah. The fuck. They got to make too real. But, uh, real reality. Anyway, yeah, I just wasn't trying to do no real-life Beverly Hillbilly's thing. I don't want to do a reality show either.

I always wanted to see a com. I, my daughter was like, why don't you just try to do a reality show? I don't want no fucking cameras in my house. and we got a makeup shit every day. I don't want that. I want a shit I can, you can write, I can remember and I can act it out.

I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, when I go home, I want to be at fucking home. I don't want the world in my fucking house while I'm trying to put my underway in the fucking wash machine.

And my wife would never have went for that shit either anyway, but I mean, yeah, I'm with you. I never had no interest in it. You say you always want a sitcom. And look,

I know, because I'm also developing one, so I get, you know, when you can't talk about things. No, I can talk about it. you can talk about those.

So since we brought it up, let's get into that a little bit. I do want to circle back to the earlier days later, though. But you're developing a sitcom with Lee Daniels. Yes. He did The Butler. He did Empire. He's done all kinds of awesome shit. Yeah, he did precious.

He did, I can't even think of all the shit. He did a lot of shit. He's done a lot of stuff, a very successful dude. And you're developing your sitcom with him for Fox, right? Yeah, through 20th for Fox. Right. So tell us whatever you can. Tell us about it.

Well, it's just, last year I did Mark Maren podcast and the guy from Imagine, which is Ron Howard company, heard me on there and thought I would be a good fit for Lee Daniel because Lee Daniel had a deal with either 20th, I imagine. I don't remember. And brought me in and Imagine got on board. Then 20th got on board. Then we sold it to Fox. And so we had a writer.

We switched writers. And now we got the writer from everybody. everybody hates Chris. Ali LaRoy. So we're writing it. We actually writing it now trying to get it together, which is the hardest shit I've done in my life. The people, and I know I'm asking you right now, hey, tell us a little bit about it,

but do people ask you a lot? Like, where's the show? When's the show coming out? What's going on with that? I get that all the time and it's so hard to explain, right? It's like it's a pain. And like, it's a whole process. It's too much of a process.

I mean, I've never had, I've never had this many people in my life to had control. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm not used to this many noes because if you say no to me, bitch, I drive off and go make that knowing to a yes. Well, you can't do that. Like, I truly believe I can sell more books out of my trunk than the internet could do

because I know my hustle. So I don't, you know, when you got to wait on other people and other people shape your career and try to tell you what to do it and you got to hear no and go do this and start over, that is fucking crazy. Yeah. And then I'm not in the hood no more. So I can't do a round table or slap. rapping white people.

I watched the shit out of that. What's the general premise of the show? Is it based on your life? It's based on my current life. Me moving from Atlanta to me moving from Atlanta to Indy. Yeah, your early life has to be on HBO.

They couldn't put that shit on Fox. Fox is edgy, but on Fox is fucking edgy. You ever watch Empire? They do every damn thing on Empire. Yeah, but mostly my earlier life. I don't recall you got shot in a titty. Huh? Didn't you get shot in the titty?

I did get shot in the titty. I ain't going on five. What you mean? There's a bunch of one nipple bitches out there. I always say you don't need two nipple. Two nipples are overrated. Ask yourself, have you ever

suck two nipples? No, you have. Am I lying? No, nobody used two fucking nipples. You get the left or the right. You get the left or the right, and you always stay the one side. My husband knows the right titty is fucked.

up so he sucked the left titty. Rally, do he ever touch the titty that's been through something? Real bad for that, Titty. I don't know. I'm a shot now. It can't get no love. Well, they get love. It's in a nice bra.

I hold them up pretty good. Like I put a good bro on the left one and a raggedy bow on the right one. I treat them the same. But I tell you, my right titty, I always fucking get me in trouble, y'all. Every time I go get my memory. So I got shot with a 45. It went up under my arm and came out through my ariola. So it just bust everything in the front.

And when they mammogram my titty now, you have to mammogram it a certain way. Because if it lights up like a little Christmas tree, you can see what a bullet went through and came out. And every time I tell these ladies in my little white neighborhood, look, I've been shot in the right titty. My choice used to say been shot in the right titty missing nipple, but now everything is on the fucking computer. So I'm going to get my mammogram this time. And I said, ma'am, you got to smash the titty right. Because if you don't, the bitch is going to light up wrong. I bet damn if it didn't light up wrong.

They called me back and thought they saw some scared of the shit out of me. So she smashed my titty, and then she put me in this room with this chair. And I'm all by myself looking at a TV. And the first thing popping my mind, this, the only thing I could think of was the movie, Get Out. I said, D white people about to steal my good titty. I said, hell no. I started pacing the flow like I was in the jail.

sell. I said, hey, what's the fuck is going on? What's going on? They was like, calm down. I said, I want to know what the fuck is going on. I got so upset. I started crying. I called my husband. I said, they're trying to steal my fucking good titty. They try to steal my good titty. I'm trying to imagine him on the other end of that.

I'm just like, what? Yeah, I said, they tell him my other titty fucked up. They just want my right. They want my good titty. He was like, calm your stupid ass down. They take me into the room to put me on the bed to get an or just I said, I ain't fucking land there. I know what y'all are trying to do.

So the doctor was like, man, we're just trying to orchard sound, make sure we don't see anything. So after they arched and saw my titty right, and then she said there wasn't nothing there, they just wanted to make sure. So the lady said, well, I said, ma'am, you scared the shit out of me. I'm so sorry for being rude because I was about the will pull ass. And she was like, well, man, what could

I have done to keep you from being so scared? I wanted to say so bad. Bish, change your face. It looked like it delivered bad news. You scared the shit out of me. Yeah. So I don't like going from mammogram, especially with my right titty. My right titty holds me up

and get me call back every year. And they don't understand. You just can't go to the doctor off in this all-white neighborhood I live in and tell these white women, hey, a bitch got shot in a drive-by, Mr. Nipple. What the fuck? How do you get into all community?

Right. Is this the pilot right here? Is this the fucking woman? No. You're going to get a mangrove? This is great. Man, when I get a mammogram, it's fucked up.

They try to keep a straight face. The nurse always try to keep a group. They want to say, how did you get shot? Who shot you? And one lady was like, well, what happened? I was like, bitch, I was selling crap. Fuck you mean?

They don't register that. Selling crack. You live in Plainfield. Plainfield, white a little more. All right. In the show, are you a comedian in? No, I'm not a comedian. Okay.

No, I'm just a mom with a background and I'm hustling. Okay. No. I didn't want to be a comedian. No. I'm not a comedian in my show either. like, that's like an automatic negative for

people a lot of times now, because for a long time, if a comedian got a show, that's just, that's what it was. Yeah. Was it a comedian here doing this thing, and I feel like it's just kind of, you know, I don't know. You know, and I don't think it helps any either. No. I mean, your fan base, your fan base

are going to come the whole thing. Like, who was that on TV all those years and people didn't know he was a fucking comedian? It's probably happened a few times, I think, the dude, the star of Yes, dear, he was a comedian for years. Greg. That's a basketball player.

Greg. Anyway, he was a stand-up for years and I mean, I know that show came out when I was in high school or something. I didn't know that for the longest time. I didn't know he had been a comedian. Raymond. Everybody loved Raymond was a comic. I mean, yeah. Nobody knew.

Nobody knew he was a fucking comedian. I'm a comedian and comedy nerd. So, like, I feel like I definitely knew he was, but you're I'm sure you're right. I didn't know he was a fucking comedian. I saw him at a casino. I was like, what the fuck is he doing?

And someone was like, he's been a comic for 30-something years. I was like, when? So I didn't know. I had no fucking idea he was a comedian. Civil rights are as relevant now as ever. Listen to the South Carolina Legacy of Courage podcast, featuring people who stood strong against oppression.

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I was like, oh, that guy's trying to do stand-up, and somebody's like, no, he's always done. He's always done stand-up. Yeah, he's a good one. He now plays a stand-up comedian on that, I'm dying up here. He plays a stand-up comedian in the early 80s. You know, like back in the day. Well, he got that 80s face, too.

No, dude, he looks, he looks totally in, you know. You remember hamburger? You remember Hamburger, the black guy? Yeah. Well, he ain't that big either. Was hamburger big? I thought he was big. Well, I'm thinking about a football player there.

I'm thinking about a hamburger, yeah. So, I'm curious, there's a couple things I want to ask you. One of which is, as Drew says, said earlier, I have no trouble believing that you stepped on stage and it was pretty fire from the get-go. But, like, how long did it take you to start headlining and, like, touring and headlining and all that? How long did that take?

I got a follow-up, too. Probably, I'm 15 years in. Probably about eight years it took me. Because what it was is, like I said, I moved to Indie. I was about four or five, about five years in. So it took about, I was there for about three years. and the whole thing is, you know, I started opening for like, Arnaz, J, D. Ray, and a lot of people don't realize when you're a comedian

and you start to open for people, the clubs only see you as that person opener. So it was hard for me to break away because here I am making $1,000 open for this person every week, which ain't bad, you know what I'm saying? I could be getting $300 for shitty rooms. I'm actually playing improv with a big headliner. So I kind of got tired of that, and I was like, I got to figure out a way. to get out on my fucking own. So Roa Wood Jr. is a really good friend of mine.

Roy Wood Jr. is a good friend of ours too. For real, I'm not to tell him I did your podcast. I love you, Roy. We love Roy. So he hooked me up with his manager at the time. And so the whole thing, we just put a plan together was to take me out of those rooms with those headliners and to start getting the club to trust that I could headline on my own.

And that took another two, three years. Yeah. So it was a fucking process. So I guess whenever we, when we were starting and we're emceeing and stuff, again, I didn't work with you, but I remember you coming through. I guess you had kind of just started headlining at that time then. Yes. Because that was like seven years ago. Yeah, because that's considered, you know, a B club or C club.

Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, you always go through those clubs first. Fuck that club. Okay, yeah, see, I didn't know. At that time, like, to me, you were just a headliner. I didn't know like you had just, you know, started headlining or whatever. I didn't. Were you pretty early on with your story?

No. So I'm curious about that process. That didn't start until I moved from Atlanta to Indianapolis. And when the owner was just badgering me and being mean to me. And so I would tell the manager there, if you ever played Morty's Avery, and I was talk to him about my life. And he's like, why don't you start doing that? And then I have to back up a little bit too because years ago, Tom Simmons told me, Ms. Pat, you should really tell these stories on stage. So when I got to Indian, I was in front of a more calm audience, because I don't know if you ever play it.

the black audience, but they don't want to hear that bullshit. You better have your shit together. They don't bought their chicken and hend and say, they will whoop your motherfucking ass if you ain't funny. Right, yeah. So it kind of make you go, you know, bam, bam, bam, bang, you know, punchline, punchline, punchline. When I moved to Indy, I was able to slow down and tell stories.

And then I learned, you know, the beginning, middle, and the end and, you know, to set it up and take your time. So it wasn't until I got to indie that I really started to grow as a comic. My confidence came from Atlanta. Right. I mean, because when you play a black room, you got to have confidence. The first time I ever did it, a black room, and it wasn't a black club. It was a couple of the black comics in Knoxville at the time had put together a show in the, what was that?

Latitude, 35, whatever, down the basement down there. They used to rent it out for shows and whatever. And the main guy doing his name was Terry Wright, awesome dudes. And he asked me if I do the show he's putting together. and I was like, yeah, and he was like, I need to tell you something, Trey. This is a black show. And I was like, good. I'm glad.

I want to do that. I want to see what happens. I'm curious. And he was like, okay, all right. I showed up. And I was the token white comic on the lineup, but not only was I the only white comedian there, I was the only white person in the whole building. How did you go?

The whole audience and all the other comics were black. And Terry gets up there when it's my turn. I'm right in the middle. Terry gets up there. All right, this next guy, I listen to me, y'all, I got to tell you something.

Okay, listen, this dude, he's a little different. He's, uh, well, he's a white dude.

That's how he said it. And immediately, some dude from in the back yelled, so to fuck what. And he was like, okay, all right, right,

y'all give it up for Trey Crowder. And, uh, it went fucking great. I killed. It was awesome. I mean,

they loved me because, I mean, again, my, like, I'm like, super, rednecky but all the shit that I say

is not that kind of stuff. They can relate to it, isn't it? Right, well exactly. A lot of these talking about growing up poor and all this type of shit and whatever else and like it's relatable to a lot of people and I mean, I don't know, it went great. I loved it. It was one of the funnest nights of the early part of my comedy. Well, that's a great

part about black audience. Black audience is going to let you. Black people are honest. They don't give a fuck. If they don't like you, they're going to tell you, fuck you. Fuck you. Kill your mama kill your kid. I'm going to kill your whole family bitch for wasting my time. But if they like you, and you got to remember as a white person, when you do a black audience, they're going to give you an extra two, three minutes versus what they're going to give a black person.

Because you had the courage to stand up in front of them. So they're like, well, let's see what the fuck this white. I'm going to be to honest. See what the fuck this crack about to say. And then they fucking fall in love with you. Yeah, no, it was great. Yeah. But if you want to know if a joke really worked, tell it to a black audience.

But they're going to either look at you or, you know, when we laugh, we don't just laugh like white people are. black folk fall all on the floor kick their legs in there they run around and search they hit cop wheels by the time to show over the motherfucker's naked that's the way they laugh you might see wigs flying off they don't give a fuck black people like to laugh

so they're going to be honest about your jokes yeah did you when you started getting into your story and your personal having all that on stage did that coincide with you like graduating as a comic and that way like moving up levels or uh had you all because obviously you're very very funny and so like i could see that you know you were were doing this feature stuff or even start

a headline or whatever just off how funny you are and then started getting into the real shit like i could buy that or was it that was like it's flipping a switch like when you started talking about that kind of i could see i tell you when i started being honest and telling sharing my story I could see the change in my career. My audience changed immediately from black people to white people. And I did Bob and Tom, and that was all I had at the time. And my audience just flipped. And I was like, holy fuck.

Because, I mean, I grew up in the city of Atlanta, and it's in my book. You know, I was scared of white people. You know, my mama never really taught us to be racist. But one thing she told us, she said, she told me, she said, white people are better than you. Never look them in the eye and they're to death. So for my whole life, I thought... That was the lesson.

About white people. It was the world that you're six years old. She says that, walks away. It was like, and... Well, that's what she taught me. Yeah, that's how she ain't wrong. The better than you part, but now the evil part, yeah, all that. You know, she would say stupid shit like nobody, black people don't fly.

Only white people fly because they like to die in the air. So that's why she was stupid as fuck dude. I realized that. So I never flew until I became a comedian because she said, white people are always on a plane die. So when I moved to Indianapolis and my audience started to turn white, I was so fucking scared. And it was like, oh my God, I love you.

I like, get your fucking head on me white people before I kill your motherfucking hair. Because it was in my mind that you was evil and y'all was better than me. So I go home one night and I tell my husband, I was like, I'm so fucking scared of these white people they just keep on talking about they like me. He's like, what's wrong? I said my mama say they better than me and don't look at me the devil.

And my husband started laughing like, your mama fucking stupid. Why are you saying? He said, pet, we're all the same. I'm like, for real? And I was in my fucking 30s. From that day on, I was like, ain't nothing different between me and a white bitch.

My titty's just big in her. And I'm missing the nipple. Am I missing the nipple? God damn. I mean, just open my eyes. Moving to Indy, open my eyes because I would have never thought that I had such, I would have such a, you know, a big white following that understood my story. It also made me realize that it doesn't matter where you from.

We all got the same fucking problem. I would go places in it. I thought only black teenagers had babies. In my community, that's all I fucking saw. Hell no. Only different is that's nine time I ten. We ain't fucking our cousin. Yeah, somebody fucking ain't cousin.

You got a cousin with his back teeth. Yeah. Yeah. A cousin, good dick. That's funny. So there's two other things about you and your comedy career that defied the conventional wisdom. And when I'm saying conventional wisdom, I mean what young, arrogant comedians with shitty attitudes think.

Oh, I hate them, motherfucker. And that is, A, you live in a nowhere place. I mean, I was in a nowhere place, Knoxville doing it, but you're in Indian. You're not in New York or Los Angeles. No, I'm not. And you have, like, a family and a life. You're not supposed to, to a certain, to a lot of comedians, you're not supposed, both of those things aren't supposed to happen. Like, in order to make it as a comedian.

Yeah. You have to move to New York or Los Angeles. That's a lot. And you have to be alone and, I guess, miserable. Yes, yes. Or whatever, ostensibly. Because, and I just want to hear, like, your take on that because that was the same for me, too. Like I said, I was in Knoxville and I'm married with little kids and shit.

You know, Mike, people used to always say, you know, you should get up and move. And I'm like, oh, excuse me, motherfucker. My husband would make six figures. And nobody got time to be giving that up for no dreams. I got fucking kids at housing. At the time, I was 19 and a 17-year-old now, but they were still in fucking middle school in elementary. school. And I always believe if you're,

I learned this from selling crack. If you got the good shit, everybody going to come. There you go. If you got the good shit, everybody going to come. Because let me tell you so when I had the good crack, I didn't have to stand out there and say I had the good crack.

All I had to do would give it to one motherfucker. You know crackhead. They're going to spread the world, rare like fucking Facebook. And everybody else going to come. So when I tell people, I say you run out to New York, you run out of California,

these motherfuckers got to come get me. I said, because I got a family, and I own a house in Atlanta, and I own a house in Indianapolis, I got a fucking car note, I got a daughter in college, I got shit to do. When I'm at home, I'm doing real folk shit. So I was like, I don't have time. I can't ask my husband to fucking drop his job and all health care and run the motherfucker. And I here to follow my dream. Come on Hollywood.

When you come get me, then I bring my motherfucking family. Until then, I'm not coming out here sleeping no car, suck no dick on credit, eat at no fucking church. I'm not doing it. I have a fucking $500 for Harry. in my head. I can't do that. No, no, I mean, fucking preach. I hate arrogant young

comics who walk around and act like they shit don't stay and wants to act like data shit because they just killed that on for my... Excuse my French, nigger kill yourself. I don't get, fuck what color of you and that's for every color. I used to always get the same type of shit. It was like, you know, Trey, if you would

just, if you would move, you know, or, you know, if you were, if you single, you know, if you were just about, you know, you'd be, you'd be fucking killing it right now or whatever. I'd hear that kind of thing. And I always thought, because it's just how I'm wired, I was like, I mean, I'm still going to kill it. Like, you know, like, I'll figure it out.

Yeah. You know, and I have. It's working out so far. I mean, I'll throw all this way. I'll ruin all this eventually. But it's working out so far. And we're definitely the exceptions. What do you mean?

Well, see, Drew, he was always very nice about it because we're close friends, but he was always one of those people. telling me those things I was just saying. The way that you just said it a minute ago, I mean, I don't know who you were, if you were thinking about me or someone else, but that was like a nice phrase. If someone says to you, man, you're great. If you would move to New York, they would discover you like that. That's a nice thing that someone's saying to you at some point.

You know what I mean? Because they're really telling you to move where all the competition is, but you're so good, you'll rise at the top. I'm just saying that I think you guys are the exceptions, and I think there's different reasons that you, the two of your exceptions. And I think with you, like, your story and the way you tell it, I mean, I was in a shitty move when I got here. I got up early.

I was hung over. The flight was shitty. Yeah, he flew across the country today. You light up a place. Well, thank you really do. Like, if you were just talking about, I don't know, if we were just sitting around talking about cornbread recipes, I'd be in a good move.

But the fact that we're also, on top of you being so likable, hilarious, and you're telling that story that no one else can tell. Yeah. There's maybe 10 comedians in America who have an even. similar story to you. How many of them are women? None. How are as lackable as you? You know what I mean? How many of them are as strong as you? Because you're older, you've got a family. You've been through all that bullshit.

So, I mean, the truth is there's no one way to make. No, that's definitely true. I mean, look at the internet. Look at the fucking internet sensations. I see people selling out clubs who ain't even a fucking comedian. And you go like, these motherfuckers are making way more money than me. I'm a comedian I'm one of those people except I have been a comedian

for a while Some of those people on the internet Have never did stand We respect people who blow up And you're a fucking comedian on the internet We know some of the guys You motherfuckers did Some of y'all don't fucking struggle

Before you decided to put that camera in your face I've been at it for a while, yeah But I know some of the people you're talking about And you're right I was at these shows in New York Where I see these people you're talking about I'm having to go up, do six. I had to beg for it or bark or whatever.

And I go up there and I kill. This motherfucker gets 15. It's terrible. I mean, all the comics are in the back of the room like, you know, with our arms crossed. But they put, they put asses in the seats. That's what it's all about. Keep working on your shit. Yeah.

I can use it. Fuck those people. Fuck what they're doing. And I'm just going to beat them the long way. You know what I mean? I'm ready for the 15 year plan or whatever. And at some point, I mean, and I respected, Tray was just like, no, I can beat them. at their game or whatever and it's like but everybody can't do that because people always like

miss pat you should do the video thing i was like that ain't for me first of all i need makeup so i'm not gonna get up and put that shit on every day to shoot no motherfucking video i like not having on a bra i like pulling my fucking wig on i like fucking i mean i have to glue this bitch down every day can you imagine me gluing this bitch down every day putting on makeup my good fucking bra i call him a fucking stage bra i got on now ready to get the fuck up out of to look good for three fucking minutes. No, y'all can have that. I'm going to have to go the other route.

I'm going to go to other route. I mean, you got, and it is so, I'm the type of person with so many people are doing stuff, I try to look for another way. And I just don't think that, I just don't think that that's my lane. A lot of people don't realize what they lane. That ain't my,

I don't think shooting short videos is my lane. I watch yours. They're fucking great. I couldn't do what you do. And I'm just being fucking honest. I damn sure couldn't do what you did. I ain't no doubt about it. Exactly. But a lot of people think they can.

God damn. Yeah. A lot of people think that they can do what you can do. Everybody, it's like, it's like comics don't realize. It's like each one of us have an individual gift. You picked up that camera and you put it in your faith. You found yourself. I'm more of a tell it like it is on stage and my story is all about making you realize that no matter where you come from, it's not about how you start.

It's about how you finish. You know, I get letters. every day or emails every day tell about how much I change their life and stuff. I think that's my lane, along with comedy and uplifting people. But a camera in my face, shooting them short videos, that is

not my shit. I tried it. I look like a fucking food and my nose always look extra big. When that camera's up, I'm like, fuck that shit. We got about 20 minutes left and I want to make sure you kind of alluded to it. I want to talk about the book. Okay. I know we talked about

your, you know, life in general, but let's talk specifically about the book because that's the primary reason you're here. And it's August 22nd. Yes. From Harper Collins. Harper Collins. Harper Collins. Yeah, it's pretty, uh, yeah, you feel appreciative, right?

When somebody gives you a book deal, that's a crazy thing, ain't it? I tell you, I did Orsia Shafir podcast. And so the lady who wrote the book heard me on there and ended up coming to a show with her girlfriend, Janine. I love you, Janine. We're friends now. For people listening, it might be a little confused. So the way your book worked was this lady Janine that you're talking about.

You and Janine got together. You, like, dictated your story and all that to her. She turned that into a book. Yeah. That you then, like. No, the way, let me back up. This is how it happened. So I did a podcast.

And she was listening. So I ended up, R.S. Jafir had a show called This is Not Happening Now. So he told me to come try for the show in New York. I came to New York, and she lived around the corner. And she heard me. And she came under me, and she was like, her friend was like, she write a book. I was like, I don't get a fuck.

What you're telling me for? I got it in eighth grade. I can't write no motherfucking book. And she was like, you should write a book. I said to me, bitch, go on somewhere. That's what I said to myself. So she introduced me to Janine, who worked for Essence and a whole bunch of other magazine.

And she said, I think I can get you a book deal. So when you tell me what you can do for me, I don't, I don't believe half the shit I see and none of the shit I hear. That's just how I am. So I was like, yeah, bitch, whatever, do what you do. She ended up calling me and getting me a book agent, found your media, love you to death brandy, and we wrote up the proposal and sold it to Hopper Callers. That's exactly how that shit happened.

And I never forget. I was standing in Chicago Airport when they called me and told me how much they offer, but they was turning it down. I was like, no, the fuck, you ain't turning down all that. God damn, I just hit the lottery. Did you say, I quit, bitch? I failed. You quit.

I didn't say anything. I just went home. Wow. I was in the airport, boy in the plane. I was like, my man said, oh, but we're going to turn that.

No, you're not, motherfucker. We're going to take that. We're going to take that. We're going to turn it down. I ended up selling the book to Hopper Collins, and that's how I became. I told the story. And you know, it was crazy in writing this book because

this book got so much emotions. And you're going to laugh. You're going to cry. You're going to get happy. You're going to get mad. You're going to be ready to beat my ad, be his ad. When I had to go and call the people

in my past. You just can't call black people with people on the phone. They don't play that shit. Oh, is that how that, all these people in here you had to like... Yeah, well, the ones that's not dead, I had to literally call them up.

So, and Janine is black, but she's from Canada. She's from Canada, but she sound like she's white. So I will get her on the phone and I said, hey, this is my brother. And she was like, well, how are you doing? My brother, like, hold on. They bitch white? I said, no, she's black.

And she said, I beg your pardon? And nobody wanted to talk to her. And my brother said, well, he was like, you black, she was like, yeah. He was like, well, damn, you got all your education, don't you? I dropped the foster. This motherfucker's stupid. But I had to literally tell her, you're going to have to tone down that beg your partner shit. My friends don't go from that shit.

Bitch they think you to police. They don't want to hear that shit. I need you to put a little ghetto in your voice. I guess that actually totally makes it. We just, like, change people's name. I change everybody name. Because we didn't do that, did? Ours isn't like a life storybook.

It's a little different, but there are true stories in it. And we have people, like I say Thompson's name in it. I remember the lawyer. So I dealt with all that bullshit. I remember the lawyer called us about a few things. He had a few questions for me. And like with that one, I was like, I, Thompson don't care. Right.

And he don't. Well, you know what? We didn't know who cared. So we just changed everybody name. We changed everybody name. And, you know, I had to call it my old drug dealing friends. And, hey, tell about the time the Mexican. almost killed her. He was like, uh, bitch, you

on his phone. And then when she started speaking, they're like, oh, shit, white? I said, no, Janine Teddy foe, you fucking black. So I had to really get my friends to talk to her. Was the primary purpose of that, like, proven that you were telling the truth? No, just gathering stories. Because, you know, I remember so much. And then you get other

people involved, and they start telling you shit, then I can remember more. Okay, I see what you're saying. No, it was, my story. I thought you were saying it first, like you, initially I thought you meant you were having to call these people to get permission to talk about it. No, no, no, no, no. to help me remember the story. Like, is this shit real?

Like, the time I used to lay in the back of the car. And you're like, I would call my kid's father. He fucking hate the book. He can't read anyway. Fuck him. My first kid father. And I was like, you know, talk about my drug days. And he would remind me a shit.

Yeah, you don't remember how in that station wagon? You stayed at those on. And I was like, holy fuck. How did I leave that out? So just in conversation talking to people about my past shit will come up. I actually had that thought. Because, again, I've started it. And I mean, like, you know, your early childhood part.

And I wondered a few times because. again, can't touch your story, but I had a fairly rough childhood too. And my sister always points out that, like, I don't remember so much of it. I don't know if, like, whatever, I've repressed it or whatever, but she'll bring shit up and I'm like, what? Yeah. And she's like, you don't ever remember nothing from when we were kids. And so as I'm reading through this, and it's some pretty, you know, seemingly traumatic

stuff. And at some point, you're talking about your six or seven years old. I've wondered, I was like, I was kind of amazed that you, like, could recall. all that stuff. Oh, I recall every fucking thing. And that's what she's like, she's like, I've never talked to somebody with such a vivid memory. But I had to unlock some of that shit. I had to unlock a lot of that shit

that caused me pain. I mean, chapter five, I had never told nobody what was in chapter five. My husband read the book and like, what the fuck? When did all this shit happen? A lot of that shit in that he had never heard of. Yeah, you say that in like the intro to it. You're like, by the way, my husband don't know a lot of this shit,

so don't know how the fuck that's going to go. And he read the book. He was like, this is a good last book. But where did this shit have? Was that difficult for you? Chapter 5 was the rough part of the book. Even doing the reading, the audio book, you know, it just, it's

something, I never told anybody. I don't want to spoil it because you should read it is really good. But I never was, it was so fucked up. I always knew it happened. So I would call my sister and say, am I crazy? And my sister smoke crack. If you catch on a good day when she's a saved sister

and she got the Lord in her, she should give it to you straight shooter. Now when she hires, she didn't fucking somewhere else. And she was like, yeah, it happened. So that was the, that was the hard part. But I tell you,

telling a lot of this stuff, I thought I was free from being a comedian, sharing my story. This book really allowed me to get a lot of pain and shit off of me. Yeah, it was a director. You got an engineer, and there's a director over in all.

He was out of New York, and we was all on the line together. And it was so fucked though, because we was all crying. It was all crying. It was rough, you know. There's a short part in ours about my brother, who unfortunately is in prison now. And I remember, like, I was reading it out loud, but that lady was standing there across the glass.

And, like, she's been following along the whole time. And that was, like, the first time where I was like, oh, everyone's going to hear this. Yeah. So fucking stupid. And I was so engrossed and writing the book quickly because we were in tight deadline. I was, like, looking at her and watching her respond. And I was like, oh, this is going out. And then I was like, am I snitch?

Yeah. fucking family secrets? Like, yeah, I was, I was wondering the same thing. And I, you know,

your book hasn't come out yet, but you say you talk to these people on the phone, but like, I get that all the time. Like, and they're still, they're cool with me,

whatever, but like my mama, especially, you know, and all her, like her being a pillhead and shit when I talk about it.

Her and my sister both, they'll give me shit all the time for, uh, putting them on front street, was what they call it, like just air and everybody's business like that or whatever.

But I've always been like, I'm telling it from my perspective, and I fucking lived it. It's my story. And I tell people. I just tell it. Did you get that kind of shit from people? Do you think you will?

I probably will, especially my first kid's father. He'll say, I'm going to sue you. I said, well, go on and sue me, bitch. Because you've been behind on your child support since I know you. So you're going to get a check and they're going to give it right back to me. So go on and sue me so I can help you help yourself catch up on child support. Your dumb son, bitch. He can't even read.

How the fuck? You're going to need your girlfriend to read you the goddamn book. You're so dumb. I change your name. You ain't going to know who you is in the book. You're stupid something. Please sue me, bitch. You don't even know.

You don't even know how to spell your kids' name. He'll call me, what's the name of the kids I got by you? He got like 22 kids. So he don't know. He don't know shit. Big dick dummies, what I call it. Big dick dummy. He ain't got no back teeth either.

Yeah. So I'm like, you know, I truly think he'll probably try to get, do me, you know, to try to give me the. most fucking problem. Because one thing I think he never got over me leaving. You know, like I talked to him a couple weeks ago, he's like, my fucking kid, my son won't even call me. My son is 30 now.

So I said, well, it's never too late to start over. Well, had you not left, well, motherfucker, you shot me in the back of the head. You gave me crabs, gun, a rear flee. You hit me my eye on every Friday. A bitch, it's supposed to sit around. Bitch, just supposed to sit around. Bitch, crabs and gun on real flea, burn,

and bite. I don't got time for that shit. You put none of them getting shot in the back of the head? Yeah. I'm like, what the fuck is you talking about? You treated me like shit, but now you mad that I left? I told him, I said, look, your son want to talk to you. I said, but he told me that he can't, he want to talk to you,

but every time you call him, you on the bus, and your fucking background is so loud and he can't hear you. I said, so wait until you get yourself together off that loud-ass public bus, and then you can have a decent conversation in your call. Call him when you get a call, bitch. 52 years old on the bus going He worked at Jiffie Lou. So this

That's pretty much how I thought The answer to that question would go Like as I was saying that I was like I would imagine she don't give too much of a fuck What uh You know any of the people in the book You know how they feel about Well I tell them this

Proof me wrong bitch Right Tell me you don't smoke crack my sister Bitch you smoke crack And ain't nobody out here The meeting your name I got you on Facebook You look like a crack head

How the fuck you're going to tell somebody you are up? You're a citizen when you look like you smoke dope. You tell me you that used to sell a pussy. You're going to ruin her reputation. What, I said, like I told her, you, you proved to me that you weren't standing on the corner with biking shorts looking like salt and pepper. I push it real good.

You know, the only person I know that still sell pussy in biking shorts. What the fuck are you talking about? I mean, I tell her yourself, prove me wrong. I ain't told a fucking lie in that book. Rabbit. That was my drug dealer name. Rabin was my childhood name and it's

so when I learned when you started to sell crack in the community you can't go out there by your real name Patricia William that don't sound cool you get your ass beat

so I was like oh I need a fucking cool name you know we had little black big black Ray Ray Day day all kind of shit in the black community

so I said well shit my name I'm just gonna keep that and turn it into my drug dealer name so rap so that's how the book

became about because it's all about you know I was rabid as a kid my daddy said You eat these carrot, your fucking eyes going to turn blue like white people. And I used to watch Leave it to Beaver. So I wanted your eyes and hair because my mama would let our Jerry curl go too long before we got a touch up.

So he's like, eat the fucking carrots. Your eyes going to turn real pretty. That never fucking happened. So from day one, I was called Rabbit. I just took it on up until my, you know, my drug dealing years. And they called me Rabbit until I got married. If somebody called me Rabbit now, they really fuck. It's spooky.

They know me. Right. They fucking know me. Yeah. And I turn around and be like, who the fuck is that? Has that happened recently with someone you haven't seen in a while? Yeah. And I say, don't call me rabbit.

Don't fucking call me rabbit. No, no, no. That's how they remembered you. I still my girlfriend still sometime call me rabbi. And I said, don't call me fucking rabbit. It's pat. So, yeah, my friends get loose lips sometime. And there's nothing I'm ashamed of.

I'm not ashamed of anything. I just think I've outgrown that person. I'm no longer rabid. I'm Patricia Williams or Patricia Lee. and I'm Miss Pat. So, I mean, Revit is a part of my past. Do you,

Miss Pat, so let's say, like when the show gets made, all that stuff, as your career continues, because on the book, it says Patricia Williams. I'm Patricia Williams.

How are you handling that? What? My name? The names. Like, you, I always build as Miss Pat before and everything.

I'm saying, are you going to continue to always go by Miss Pat? Are you going to use Patricia Williams for? No, I mean, Miss Pat is on there, too. Right,

the autobiography of Miss Pat. Miss Pat. Yeah. I'm going to always use Miss Pat. You know, I don't use my married name because, hey, hey, I didn't know this shit was going to go this far. So I was like, hey. Right.

I was already married, but I started off as Patricia Williams because I was like, well, at least if I become famous, somebody made it out of my fuck with my daddy name. So I was like, oh, I'm just going to use Patricia Williams because my husband's name is Lee. So I just kept Patricia Williams because Patricia Williams also tied to rabbit. It's that little pole girl. you know who had to run the school for that free lunch and if you didn't get it you want to kill everybody at school so Patricia William and Rabbit is somewhat tied together yeah absolutely well I again I'm gonna finish it because it is fucking I mean it's something else it really draws you in I mean again this is coming from somebody like you know I'm not you know I'm not a Connecticut white boy just like you know oh my goodness types like you know I know I know I know sure you shit happens.

Yeah. I've seen real shit, you know, in my life, and I'm saying, even to me, from my perspective, reading your book, there's times where I'm just like, God, damn. Like, you know, I mean, it's, yeah, it'll grab you. Well, not just the story. That's why I said what I said about

seeing you live for the first time. And this was, I think, before the mic's wrong, I said she's going to be on TV. And it was because those West Knoxville white people that used to come inside spliters on any given weekend, I didn't know how to talk to them yet.

Like I was still trying to figure it out. As like a small town, country boy hillbilly, I was still trying to figure out how to get them to hear me the way I wanted to be heard. And, I mean, you've been doing it a lot longer, but also you being you, you were just masterful at it. So it's like what Trey was just saying. The facts of that book, I don't think, would shock me too much.

I used to be a public dinner. I come from a very fucked up place in Appalachia. Everyone's on pills. But the way that you tell it, and the way that I've heard you tell it, alive, I can't really quite describe it. It's not pride, but it's without shame. She's very, very, very upfront about everything.

Like, you just wear it all on your sleeve. It's not a pity party either. You have people tell sad stories and you want to feel sorry. Well, I'm laughing. And I tell people in my show, and you probably heard me say this, you know, when they want to draw back at some of these darks. So, uh-uh, motherfucker. Listen, we're going to talk tonight.

If you're feeling sorry for me, write me a check. bitch we can cry together. Immediately they bust out laughing like, oh, okay, I said, because we all got fucked up situation. No matter what your money gain is, we all got fucked up situation. Look at all president.

He thought he was a shit until the world came in his bids and everybody was like, you ain't shit, Donald Trump. He's like, I ain't never been told I wasn't shit. Yeah, he ain't dealing well with it. Oh, God. He doesn't set the fucking world on fire.

It is pride, but it's like personal. It's that deep kind of ownership. You just take ownership. I owned up to what I fucking been through. And I don't, I'm not a black person to go around and say, you know, the white man holding me back. Because I heard a lot of that when I was growing up. And my mom was like, the white man holding me back.

No, she's like, D. Crackles holding me back. D. Crackles holding me back. Well, at the time, I didn't really know what a cracker was. Only crackers I knew was a little Keebler brothers. So I'm like, well, what did they do to this bitch? You know, go get an ice tell. Yeah, I used to tell a joke about that because that's the only fucking crackles I knew. I didn't know white people was crackles.

I didn't see white people. I didn't see white people. I saw. was fucking the police officer who brought us food every day because this bitch was drunk and the case worker who was trying to help her.

So white people was never in my life coming up as a kid mean. So I don't know what the fuck she was talking about. Right. But nobody was holding her back. She just never got a fucking job.

And then I realized, you know, when I started to become a comedian, I wasn't, I wasn't looking for pity. I was just looking for somebody to listen. I don't want you to feel sorry for me. I want you to laugh at this fucked up shit when I say,

the reason why I got shot in the back of head because I duck slow. Don't think about the gunshot. Just think about a bitch moving a little slow. You know, you move. Bullets move. Bullets go fast, especially when black people shooting

because they know how to run with that shit real fast and shoot. So, you know, I don't want no pity. I just want you to fucking laugh at all the fucked up shit that, you know, chapter five is the hardest part of my life that I've never told. But give me two years, I'm going to find a way to make that shit funny.

Hell yeah. And I know for a fact you will because God damn you have a fucking gift for doing exactly that. So thank you so much for coming. You got to get out here. You got other bigger and better things to do. Can I plug one thing? Please do.

Twitter, Facebook, comedian, C-O-M-E-D-I-N-N-N-E, Ms. Pat, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, all of that shit. I will be playing at Mordes August 25th, 26, with a book signing. So if you're in the Indianapolis area, bring your ass up there to see me. So you can get a book because we got books. there and the books of Barnes and Noah will be there selling books and come on out and hear these stories and we're going to laugh and we're fucking family.

Absolutely. You heard of here. If you ain't got no babysitter, bring your fucking kids. I put them in the green room. That's right. So get rabbit, the autobiography of Miss Pat. Online at Amazon. Yeah, on Amazon. Come see her. You will not regret it. Thank you so much. Thank you all for having me.

I truly appreciate it. Scoot! Skew! Thank you all for listening to the well-read show. We'd love to stick around. Longer we got to go. Tune in next week if you got nothing to do. Thank you, God.

Bless you, good night and skew.