wellRED podcast - #325 - Corey Is A White Man and Trump Got Indicted!

Episode Date: June 14, 2023

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Isn't that what he's doing? I assumed. He said he was on vacation and unless Amber made him go to Iowa, which I don't think he would refer to as a vacation. Like, have you ever known Corey to go anywhere but the beach? No. I was actually, I was, Corey's like so, so stereotypical in, yeah, in terms of, like, I don't know, well-to-do southern whiteness, I guess. Like, you know, grew up in a house that has a name and still has like a carriage house and all that shit and whatever.

And yeah, they go to the, they go to the beach every year. I'd say every year, like, dude, don't they go like multiple times a year? I feel like he's like kind of always going to the beach. Yeah. Or going somewhere. They go to the beach. They have a little like a little weekend, you know. Has they ever been to Gatlinburg or any?

place like that that you remember? I think they go to the mountains, but I don't know. I don't think they do because I think it's all the age. They went to that like they went to that German Georgian, you know the German Georgia town? Yeah, him and Amber like drove through there. Did they stay? Yeah, they like there.

I think for like a weekend or something. And that's in that's in the Appalachian Mountains, right? I never went there. Yeah. I don't know exactly where it's at, but it's definitely in. It's northeastern. It's Northeast Georgia. And yeah, people don't know what we're talking about.

It's called Helen, Georgia, I think, and it's like settled by Germans. I don't know if that means, that's pre-Nazis, I think, right? It wasn't like, I don't know. Yes. Okay, yeah. Old German, before they started trying to conquer the world and kill all the Jews and stuff. It got big, I think, well, I think they've been trying to conquer the world on and off for a while. But, hey, who hadn't?

I think that it got popular because of Atlanta, the TV show. show, not the city. Oh, they covered it on an episode of Atlanta? Yeah, a girl. No, I think actually it's the main girl. I think V took Don Glover's character there. Or maybe they both took there by somebody.

What? It says the population of Helen was 531 as of the 2020 census. I mean, that's tiny, dude. That's smaller than Salina. I mean, I know 600 and something. crazy amounts of people coming through there and not very many people live there, I guess,

but that's still wild. They're called Georgia's Alpine Village. It was a logging town in decline that resurrected itself by becoming a replica of a Bavarian Alpine town in the Appalachians. Oh, yeah, Alp, Alpian. Alpalachians, yeah. It makes sense to me. Yeah. What did you say the number was?

of population, like people that actually live there. As of the 2020 census, 531. 524 for Sunbrite. We're still the smallest, baby. German style is present on every building as of zoning mandated in 1969. Even the small number of national franchisees present, such as Huddle House and Wendy's. I don't know how those two got in on it because it sounds like they limit.

He's just got blonde hair. Yeah, right. That's, yeah, that's wild. I've never been. You've never been either, right? No, and I'm into German shit. Like, I love German food. Yeah, right.

And it's like Germany plus South, you know, it makes sense. But anyway, it seemed, even though you just said it got popular because it was on Atlanta, I was going to say it was just some predominantly white people seeming shit to me. And I know that court, like, I don't know. Corrin Amher just always doing white people shit. And also, like, when they talk about their friends and stuff, it's always like, we're going to some other lake I've never heard of to stay at this person's dad's cabin or whatever. Do you know what I mean?

Like, or it's like, we go, they got to, you know, we're going to Savannah because this person's dad has a cabinet like that type of shit. It's just always something like that. They all,

and I've all marvel at it. Because we've talked before about Chickamauga so much different because there's actual money there. But that's a perfect example. It's like, dude, I don't, because these are all people who grew up with and stuff. And it's always a different person who's got a different dad with a different cabin on a different lake.

And like, I don't know literally anybody. Like nobody from, you know, so nobody that I grew up with has literally anything like that. Well, the Yankees found your lake and made it expensive quicker than maybe some of the ones around him. My buddy Brandon's uncle Rod had a lot that he just got a house able to move into two years ago. He started building it when I was in high school piece by piece down to the last. lake like the Johnny Cash song, whatever he could still off jobs, I guess. But

I wanted to say that it's sort of like your joke, though, about being red more than being white. Like, anyone listening who isn't white, all eight of you, if they've listened

for a while, they're like, yeah, that's very white, but so is going to Burning Man or getting a houseboat or going to Disneyland. Like, we'd be doing shit that mostly white people do too. Yeah, okay. But you're talking about a genre.

I am. As a cultural genre, like clothing wise, golf. Yes, right. It's funny you got in, it's funny you went there just now because I was actually about to like try to clarify further because you're

right. It's a very specific type of like southern white person. It's sort of ironic because Corey didn't go to college, which, you know, a sore spot for him. but it is frat he will bring up eventually but it's like yeah right like the like Alabama University of Alabama Frat boy Southern white person genre like I mean one of the five worst kinds yeah yeah I mean University of Tennessee too I don't know I just whenever I think of those guys I go straight out because Alabama's real good and they went all the time and whatever I go to Vanderbill it just seems to fit but I go to because they suck at sports,

but they rule everything else in life. Like, you know, they will graduate with a losing record and then own the bank. Right. And it's like, I was just at a wedding this weekend in Denver. Some good friends of mine that I knew from, buddy mine had met in grad school and worked with at O'Charly's,

and then all his friends from Austin P. University, which is in Clarksville, Tennessee, right? That's where he went to undergrad. I met all them through him. And they're all, we're all at this wedding. And I was thinking about how, like, you know, like, they're all, you know, professional. They all got good jobs. There's like a pharmacist and like a scientist, like works, you know, in a big biotech firm or whatever.

And there's like, I think there's a lawyer and an engineer and whatever and all that type of shit. Because, you know, they all went, an accountant, like high level accountant. And now I went to college together and all have these, like, hitting jobs. And they all did so in the south, right? but like and some of them literally we're in fraternities together and but none of these guys are even at are nothing like that though like and i'm not i'm not even making a value judgment i'm just saying they're literal frat boys from her friends from going to a southern college together and they have good jobs and make you know good money and all that type of stuff but they're just not that type of person they're all real good people They're like crunchy types. They're into hiking and kayaking and all that type of white people. That's the type of white people they are.

I think that's competing now. Right. I mean, I think the first I noticed it was Andy complaining that the store called anthropology was just making the clothes she likes more expensive. Right. Like, it was like,

yeah, the problem with becoming cool is that now you can't afford your own shit. So I think, and then we've heard, we've talked about on here like crunchy racists are a thing now, crunchy right wing is a thing like...

Yeah, the Hewadon Shaman. He seemed crunchy. Yeah, he was crunchy. Nazi lunatic. He was like vegan and all that. But like the hiking and all that, I think that like outdoorsy culture. Well, do Knoxville is a very outdoorsy town.

It has a lot of green space. It has a lot of... It's like huge in the mountain biking world. It's pretty big in the climbing world because of what it's close to. And those are frat kids. You know, it's like what that type of white that we're talking about is best at is just like taking other people's stuff.

Like I feel like Searsucker and Golf used to belong to poor people. And they were like, oh, that hits. Let's make it to where no one can afford to do it. Right. And they're going to do that eventually with, they'll make all the national parks private if they keep hiking. If the frat boys keep hiking, we're in trouble. is what I'm saying.

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You can go to my website and get tickets. You got anything coming up, Trey? Yeah, I'll be in Richmond and Virginia Beach, June 21st and 22nd. And then after that, a whole bunch of places, but I can't just rattle off the dates and places off the top of my heads. So just go to tracruder.com and see it. But I'm a, I got a lot coming up in the second half of 2023. So come and see me. I was about to say something.

And then I forgot. Oh, this isn't related to what we were just talking about. First of all, I hope Corey's having a lovely time at the beach with his mimosa and his oysters and all that stuff. It's just all, it's just all just straight down the fairway. But with him literally and figuratively because golf is a huge part of it. But anyway, you used to, everybody knows, everybody listens to this show knows that you were a lawyer for a while, a public defender specifically. I don't know if everybody knows. I'm sure it's at least been mentioned.

But you were specifically a public defender in Miami for a little bit, right? Miami-Dade County. Yeah. And so right. I was reading earlier this morning on the internet that, and I'm sure this will end up not happening. Maybe you can explain to me the specifics of it, even more so. But like, so Donald Trump's been indicted again federally this time. His lawyers all resigned right after the indictment was released.

I saw people saying like, oh, that's a normal thing to do. Those lawyers were in D.C. or New York or whatever, he needs lawyers in Miami, yada, yada, whatever. People either trying to down. I don't know the truth of any of that. But either way, or people are like, oh, it's just a delight. tactic. It's an excuse now. I always got to find more representation. I've heard all that type of shit. I don't know what's true.

But I saw people saying this morning that he could hypothetically be assigned a public defender like anybody else would be, and that public defender would be in the old office that you used to work in. So I just wanted to... I don't think so.

I think it's a federal case, isn't it? Yeah, it is a federal case. Oh, so there's like a whole different... And then there's a state public defender. Yeah, the federal public defenders, they get paid more. They have a lighter case load and they're huge push. I'm just kidding. In every major county or like a state

has an office that has federal. Wherever there is a federal court. Oh, yeah. Okay. And then yeah, mostly it lines up with major cities. Like there's one in Chattanooga because my friend Aaron works there. She's a great public defender. She works at the federal defender's office in Chattanooga.

Oh, okay. But let's go back on all this. Okay. First of all, you do have a right to an attorney. Constitution says if you can't afford one, we won't be appointed to you. There's nothing to the Constitution that says if you're just such a toxic asshole, then we'll give you one. There's nothing that says that.

Now, they can still make someone represent him and make him pay for it. I don't think they'd give him a federal defender. I think they would give him someone off what they call the wheel. So let's say that two guys get picked up and they're accused of robbing a bank. Somebody robbed a bank. There were two dudes.

They escape. They take off in a car. Cops pull over somebody in a similar car, and there's two dudes in there. And they don't find the money, but they think it's them. The federal defender or the public defender or whoever wouldn't represent both of those clients. They would only take one because there would be a conflict of interest in representing both of them. Because what if one of them did it and one of them didn't? What if one of them was more responsible because he planned it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

So in that case, there's a conflict office. Or there is what they call the wheel, which is just there's just a rotating cast of local lawyers who will take the other case and get paid an hourly rate by the state. That's who would get this. But I don't believe even a little of that. This is absolutely a tactic to pause. So there's a thing called Pro Hocque.

That's an Italian phrase. I don't remember what it translates as. But what it means is you can represent somebody in another state on a case-by-case basis if you seek approval from the judge. I think in the state of Florida, in order to do that, you do have to get local counsel to be your assistant on it. And to be honest with you, that's a rule the bar put in place just to make sure they is getting paid.

It's almost like the bar acts as a quasi-union for lawyers. that's just the bar going like, all right, dude, some city slicker comes down from New York and Florida. Let's make sure our guys get paid too. There is no way in hell that there's not, not just a lawyer in Miami, Florida, but like a good one who isn't willing to do this, if for nothing else,

because they don't want to be an attorney anymore, they want to be a talking head, and this is an opportunity to launch that career. This is just a delay tactic. The best case, Not best case scenario. What's the word I'm looking for? Giving them the moral benefit of the doubt,

it's a delay tactic while they try to find a person who isn't just shit for brains or someone who's an opportunist. But more likely, it's just a delay tactic for them to get their ducks road and continue through the press and through his own platform trying to make this into some sort of witch hunt situation. So this wouldn't have happened, but I wanted to ask you,

so I'm still going to ask you. anyway, since it's hypothetical to begin with, like, if you were working at that office and you got assigned to Donald Trump's documents case here or whatever, as a public defender, why don't you just walk me through a little bit of how you think that would play out? Like, how would you? Me personally? Or just how would I do it? If it was just like that time.

Literally you. Yeah. Okay. You still had that job and that happened. First of all, let me say that I've been messaging my old trial partner all morning being like, do need to do this. Represent Donald Trump. He is a total cowboy.

He doesn't give a shit about anything except winning. And he thinks everything's funny and ridiculous. So he should do it. Now, he won't because it would hurt his career in the long run. He has no interest in like being a right wing dude or a talking head. But it would be the funniest thing ever if John Sullivan from Boston would be his Florida lawyer. John is the one, I think I've talked about this before, the last time I saw him, his wife told on him,

in his closing arguments, he uses my phrases because people from Florida think all white people are the same. So he'll say things like, that dog won't hunt. And then all the Cubans and black folk on the jury will be like, man, this folks he dude here couldn't possibly. Right, yeah. Foghorn, leghorn over here. Yeah.

But he's saying it in a Boston accent. Now, that dog. won't hunt. Yeah. Yeah, that's odd. It is funny how, like, lawyer and author are, like, the only two smart jobs

that people trust a southerner with specifically. Well, I think this lawyer, they just trust that you won't trick them. Right. And so it's like this reverse, look, I don't know how he got through law school, but he's too dumb to make me convince this guy didn't do it.

by lies. It's got to be the truth. Right. With author, who knows, man, I think it's like... There's just so many of them that hit. And most of the ones who make it, it's bleak. Yeah. Like Southern Gothic is a sort of subgenre on its own that most of our famous authors fit into. And I'm sure we have some librarians and lit people listening who are going to take some issue with what I'm about to say because it's been a long time since I took this class and I'm generalizing. but most of our big time authors, with the exception of maybe Grisham, who's not really,

people don't realize he's Southern necessarily, are Southern Gothic. And it's like, that's what they'll let us, it's like, yeah, sad. Oh,

let them do sad. So anyway, so back to this. Real quick, post-war War II, most of America's great authors were either Southern or like Brooklyn or industrial,

Eastern Jewish. I don't know why that is, but most of the best authors from that time period was our people, or Jews from the Northeast. It's almost like living in a bleak situation. Yeah, it do be like that.

So back to this case, like if this, yeah, go on. He is indicted. So, and I apologize for not being up, more up on this. He's indicted in Florida specifically accused of he had classified documents, and when he was asked to return them, he just didn't. I think there's, well, look, dude, you know, I don't know, but I think there's more like, I heard that the way they charged him under the espionage act or whatever, it's actually not even about the classified part. Because, you know, he kept trying to argue the whole time. He's like, oh, I can't, as president, I can't have classified documents I'm not supposed to have because I can just wave my hand and they're declassified or what that was like supposed to be their argument.

Like before the indictment ever came down, so they charged them in such a way that's like the class of classified part. of it isn't even really relevant or at least fully relevant because he had documents that it specifically states you're just not supposed to have in a position or use in a way that he was you because he just had him laying around and was showing them to everybody about like, look, I'm not even supposed to be showing you this, but ain't that why we're going to blow up Iran, you know, or whatever. Isn't he on tape saying, I'm going to just to show you this. Yes.

Yeah. And on that same tape, I think saying like, I probably should have declassified this when I was present, but I didn't. so, you know, like implying that he knows the actual process for doing it like formally and also is acknowledging that he did not do that. Wow. There's still some that are missing and everything. And it's like 37 counts total. And obviously, we're all over the place now, but I wanted to get into all this eventually.

Like, if he was just a regular person, he wouldn't be in that position anyway. But if you, like, you know, it's a never see the light of day again. amount of this particular crime for most people. And of course, a lot of people, I mean, me included, kind of, expect him to, you know, get like a slap on the wrist, if that, or whatever. And I'm just, you know, wondering what you think about all that. The case was appointed to me. The first thing I always want to do is me with the client.

I want to hear the side of the story. And I also want to find out what they want. Because there's a lot of cases, like when I was doing it, and this is, this is, this There are some overlap here. There's a lot of cases where it's like, hey, man, is that you? Right. That's you right there? Right.

All right. Let's have a good talk here about what our options are. Yeah. We can go to trial. Sure. But again, is that you? Right. I'm going to establish.

That's you doing this. So that's where I would start. Obviously with someone like Trump, I've only had two, in my opinion, sociopaths that I can remember. I don't know if Trump's a sociopaths, but I definitely think he has a personality disorder of some sort. I've had two sociopaths and probably half a dozen total narcissists. And you're like, how can you tell? You're not a psychologist because when you spend a few hours with somebody

and you're talking about the rest of their life, you can sort of start picking up on things. I have a feeling that he would be a difficult client to say the least. Yeah, no shit. Yeah, for sure. Especially I feel like if it was you because, you know, no offense. But like in this scenario, you know, if he like, got assigned a public defender and you walk in.

I feel like he'd treat you like trash and like an idiot the whole time too, even while you're trying to. He probably does that with like high powered lawyers he hires. And also he tries to stiff them and shit like that all the time. But like, yeah. I mean, I think I'd go about it like, listen, this is what you got. These are your options. Ultimately, my job is to do whatever you want to the best of my ability. What do you want?

Now, when he says, you know, I didn't do it. This is what I want you to argue. like me now, me then, this would be a different answer. Me when I was a public defender. But me now, dude, I'd be so excited. Yeah. I would genuinely be thrilled to represent Donald Trump right now as me now. And then just do whatever he wanted to do because whatever he wants to do, there's no way it would win.

Like it would be the worst idea. One. Two, it doesn't matter how badly I do. That's the part that's fucking up with these other lawyers that don't want to take the case if they even exist. They got a future to worry about. Buddy, my future is so set. There's nothing. The only thing that I'd have to think about is how am I going to tell people how funny this is and keep attorney-client privilege.

The new special would be called attorney-client privileged. Yeah. And I don't know. That would be the hardest thing for me to. figure out morally, I would have absolutely, I want everyone listening right now, stop clutching your pearls, I don't care. I would have no moral problem representing Donald Trump right now. Number one, he deserves to have a good lawyer because it's the only way we can know that we were right to put him away if that's what happens. And number two, again,

I would be thrilled to do exactly what he tells me. Now, of course, when he then goes down, he would blame me, but unlike all these other sycophants around him, I don't care. It would not hurt or bother me financially or personally if Donald Trump for the rest of his life behind bars is like the only reason I'm here is that dumb lawyer hick drew Morgan I would be like I don't think it's my fault but it's crazy that one of the most evil men ever is giving me credit for putting him away like that'd be pretty good feather in my cap you know what I mean to be clear I'd do a good job I would go balls to the wall because it's the only way you can do it in that scenario That's what I would do. Do you have any idea what kind of like how you would go about defending? I know you said you're not, you know, you don't have all the details and everything. But like as an actual law, you're like, well, how would you approach that? What would your strategy be? Well, I think the first thing we have to start with.

I understand that they're not just doing the classified thing. But they have to start with the beginning of this has to be that the stuff he shared is whatever they're claiming that it is. Right. Right. that right there is a quagmire how they're going to prove that how you're going to prove that what he had in there was top secret stuff you don't want to out all right let's go to court show the judge and the cameras right that's what they're going to start trying to get that plea deal going because it's like this is a lot like this is why by the way this is pure evil what i'm about to say but this is why we had terrorists this was our claim anyway of why we had terrorists going to Honanamo Bay. We can't, for 15 years with no trial. Well, we can't put them on trial

because the evidence would have to be brought about by our spies and our secrets. And that would put lives in danger. So I would be like, all right, y'all don't want to do that. You don't want to put these people's lives in danger. Prove it. Prove that.

That's what he had in that house. Now, they'd be able to get around to that. How? I don't know. They don't need all of them, too. They can just pick and choose. You know, all right, we charge him with 12 counts. You know what, Your Honor?

We're presenting Nate today and we're dismissing four. Our bad. Second thing I assume, and again, I haven't read enough about it, is that first they have to prove that these documents are what they claim they are, and then that he did, in fact, share them. That recording, who knows what he was showing those people? Were those people from the Iranian government? Were they Russian spies?

Or was it some dipshit in a polo who just paid 100, thousand dollars for me Donald Trump to show him a fake document but tell him it's a real document because I wanted him to donate to my campaign buy a new $200,000 into my golf course

etc etc etc. Look you want to put Donald Trump on trial for lying to people who are a fan of his buddy we ain't going to beat that he'd been doing that forever but no of course he didn't show Iranian documents

to the guy who owns Joe's Heat and Air unit in Fort Lauderdale. He showed him something fake because that's what he does. The stakes weren't real. The real estate company ain't real. The Apprentice was a TV show. That's not real. Donald Trump has an M.O., ladies and gentlemen of the jury, of showing people what they want to see.

He is the consummate entertainer. Joe from Joe's Heat and Air in Fort Lauderdale. Were you not entertained? I was. I mean, yeah, that's some serious loggery, logger shit there. Again, I don't know the specific details. I feel like some people who are still obsessed with this man in the outcome of his life, which is wild. You know, they've listened to an hour-long podcast, and there's a lot of details to this stuff.

It's going to get complicated. Let me tell you something about federal charges. They're usually hard to beat. Right. I read that this special prosecutor guy, Jack Smith, who, like, brought these charges, he's got a, I think I said, 97 or 98% conviction rate or something like that. I'm going to be honest. That, to me, makes it sound like he's a dumbass then.

Really? Because it's normally higher. Because they don't, they, like, don't bring charges unless they know they can win, right? That's why they're so high. Is that what that's about? Yes. And I was being facetious, plus everyone knows I don't like prosecutors. My guess is the 2 to 3% losses are mostly because he brought

charges and then lost a motion. Like all the drugs we had that we were about to pin on you, the judge just threw them out because the cops got them illegally. And Jack didn't know that until he got the hearing portion of it. You know what I mean? Like it was a, you know, sometimes you just get beat. Right. So yeah, it's not, it would be in everyone's best interest, I think. Well, not mine, but the powers, the people who are.

powerful in America, both left wing and right wing, pro business and whatever else there is, it would be in all those people's best interests to plea this out. But the one thing that you have to, I think, you don't have to, but I respect about Donald Trump.

And it's the only thing, honestly, that I respect about him. He don't really give a shit about it. No. It's just the weird thing where he very much wants powerful people to like, like and respect him. But as soon as he finds out they don't, he no longer cares what they think.

Right. So I don't know if he'll do the plea situation or not. Does that mean that what you just said, because I didn't realize, you said earlier, there's a whole separate office for federal public defenders. Does that mean basically their whole job is just to find a plea deal that's not horrific for their client? Like, does that mean that they lose 98% of the time or whatever?

Like, first, if you get a plea deal, does that count is losing for the defense attorney? How does that work on your stats? And does that mean that their whole job is just playing shit out because you're never going to win those federal cases? Cultural hornets nest, you just stepped in accidentally. Okay. I can't say that I feel that the statement, if you plea, that's a loss, is true.

Yeah. There are some people who I came up with who would at least pretend like they feel that way. Like the Miami culture of the regular public defender's office was very cowboy. I mean, that's the only reason I got a job there. My grades were fine. But I crushed the interview and they were like, this dude can tell a judge to go fuck himself. That's what we're after. But there were people who would walk around and like, like lawyers would walk around to the other younger lawyers and be like,

how many trials you had this week? How many trials you had this week? How many trials you had this week? Pussy. And like in front of everybody, they'd be like, Drew got plea attuned on his knuckles. That's his gang plea addy. That was like one of their favorite jokes. Plea at A, TTIY, like short for attorney.

He's a plea attorney, not a trial attorney. I'm a trial attorney. Are you a trial attorney or a plea attorney? It was very unhealthy and jockish. That's funny. So is their job mostly to plea? Generally speaking, yeah. Your job really is to represent your clients to the best.

Right. Your ability. Get them the best possible outcome that you can, given the system and the evidence and everything that you're working. And make sure everyone follows the law and all that stuff. There are just so few mistakes in the process at the federal level. That's not to say that they don't ever accuse someone who didn't do it. But to be fair, most of the time you went at trial, you win one of two ways.

Either there's a mistake in the process and we're going to harp on that. Or like it's an identity situation. Like somebody robbed this place. They say this guy did it. I'm going to prove you that it wasn't him. But there's rarely a situation where you're like, the crime didn't even. and happen. You know what I mean? Like, there's usually a crime of some sort. So at the federal level, yeah, you're taking a lot of pleas. The way I measured it is that I beat the

play, like the first plea, the first offer that they come at me with. In the end, that I get better than that. And how did you do it? Well, I pointed out these two holes in their case. I also said, yeah, you want to put that witness on the stand? Well, I sent my investigator out yesterday, and they were shit-faced at three in the afternoon, so I can't wait to have drunky Magoo on the stand. And they're like, you won't do it. I'm like, all right, fine, let's go to trial. That was the job when it was time to take a plea,

was to just like either scare, annoy, even just like, hey, you really want to do a trial tomorrow? Aren't you on vacation next week? That you're going to give me a better plea deal, because if not, I'm going to set it right then. We'll set it for the next week. Judge says we can't because the Constitution says you've got to let him out in 90 days on a misdemeanor on bail.

90 days is up. You plan this. You're goddamn right. I planned it. Now are you going to give me my plea deal? So I don't remember your exact question. Yes, federal defenders, they're mostly pleaing for sure. But they do go to trial, and they're great at it, usually,

because you've got to be really smart and usually pretty experienced to get that job. I don't remember how we got side. I think you were about to do a whole thing about federal cases, and you started it by saying, you were like usually they're hard to I don't remember how you put it but you're like federal charges are hard to beat I think which led to this whole discussion of percentages and stats and play deals and all that but do you remember I remember you were going with that or do public do federal defenders mostly just play in and yes they do

to be fair most public defense most defense attorneys mostly play but do you remember were you going to say something else about federal cases just in general I mean, maybe, I don't know what I did say about it, but federal cases in general, someone goes to prison, usually almost everyone they charge. Right. Oftentimes, there's more than one person charged. One person won't go to prison. I mean, the feds is where the most, uh, does that word informant type shit. Yeah. Would that happen here? Because they, they charge that other, they charge his like body guy or is whatever. The dude who like, the dude who, you know, reportedly he was like, hey, take that. stack of nuclear secrets from the bathroom to the closet or whatever the fuck he was doing down there. The guy who actually did that carried him around and all that stuff, he like, I know got charged too and is pretty deep shit. Like, but you said, you know, normally somebody gets charged, somebody's going to prison. I see all these people on the internet saying that too.

And I know that's true generally, but like, you know, this is fucking a former president. It's Donald Trump. We're talking about this. Other dude has been charged yada yada. I mean, like, what's your, what do you expect to actually happen? to get him to talk. Right. Because people are also saying that Mark Meadows, his former chief of staff,

avoided charges by agreeing to talk, but he denied that, and I don't know what's true or whatever. But yeah, right, that guy, they're trying to flip that guy. I don't know. Like, what do you, as a former lawyer, like, do I think? And a cynic, I think, a lot of times,

which in a situation like this, I would agree with. Like, I've not expected Donald Trump to, like, ever spend any time behind bars from the very beginning. We're in new territory, man. I think that you're asking me a legal question, but it's really a political one. Right. Because it's going to be a shit show. I mean, dude, we've got Congress.

We have a sitting congressman. Maybe it was a congresswoman. Referencing how many people support Trump who have guns. Right. Yeah. Are you talking about, I know, Carrie Lake, who's not a sitting anything, she lost the race for Arizona governor. I know she just had like a quote go viral where she said. You know what?

She had that and I'm conflating that. Also, there was a guy, I want to say from Wisconsin who made some reference to. It was like stand that alert. I think we'll find out a little bit tomorrow, right? Because I know Trump himself put out a graphic on true social or whatever, literally just telling his people show up at the courthouse on Tuesday in Miami. We've got a free, free my N-word Donald rally on. in Miami on Tuesday.

I do want one of those shirts. I'm going to send one of my friends over there for a free Donald Trump shirt. Yeah. But anyway, so we'll see, I guess how that goes. Well, I think people who listen to us know that I have a big troll or imp inside me.

I just, but I hate when people like take that too far. There's nothing worse than like an edge lord. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I can't stand edge lords. So like during the Trump era,

like finding this stuff funny, to me, it was like, it was hard for me to, find funny because I was like, this dude's the, like, people are dying. Our country, this is all now very funny to me. Okay. This is so fucking hilarious to me.

I really want a free Donald Trump shirt. I don't think I'd wear it just because I don't want those types of people to talk to me. Right. Now that he's not the president and might be a prisoner soon, I find him so entertaining. Yeah. I am. I find him very entertained whenever he's like going in on Ron DeSantis and that type of thing. Like, yeah, it's so funny.

like Chris Christie making fat jokes about Chris Christie. Even though he's a big fat fuck too. I mean, yeah, he's like, I've definitely noted that as well. As long as his like, he's aimed in a different direction from me and people I care about and everything, like, basically if he's just, you know, going after other Republicans or that type of shit, he's endlessly entertaining. I mean. But it is, I will acknowledge the other part of me that like didn't partake in that. And during his presidency is like, yeah, I mean, there's some dips. shit's going to get murdered in Broward County probably tomorrow.

Like, or Dade County, excuse me. Did they move it to Broward or I heard they might do that? I don't know. What difference does that make? Well, I just heard they were thinking about moving it for the reasons we're talking about. But by the way, I really hope they keep it in Dade because the sheriffs in Broward will help him. Uh-huh. Like anything's on the table.

Well, they got that judge, the judge who's sitting tomorrow is like a Trump appointee who's already done a bunch of it. Like she's like jerks him off metaphorically all the time. she's a huge Trump fan. And she's like the judge tomorrow. A lot of people are like sort of upset about that. But I've seen other people saying, again, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't understand how.

But I've seen people saying like, oh, her ill effects can be mitigated relatively easily, even if she does try to fuck it up. It can be, I don't know if appeals to the right word sent to a different. Yeah, right. Which is what he's trying to delay.

An arraignment is simply the official moment, the state presents you with the charges against you. and put you in the system. So my analysis, you know, let me say this. No one knows. There's no precedent for this, both in terms of what is happening to him

and what he's done. And anyone on TV, whether it be like a right-winger saying Hillary's emails or Joe Biden had the ones in the car, not even because I'm a homer, because I'm not a homer, especially for those two, like, no one's done what he's done.

Right. I mean, the dude had stacks and stacks of nuclear secrets in his bathroom and he was just showing him to people to brag. Right. It's almost like crazy. It's like, it is crazy.

Yeah. He's not trying to like curry favor with the Russian government. He's trying to get his dick sucked. Right. It's wild. It's like wilder and weirder and more base and basic than what you think of as like true espionage. So like anyone telling you that they,

know what's about to happen. There's no precedent for this. I think it's a political question as much as a legal one now, but it's hard for me to imagine him getting out of this unless he somehow pardons himself. And that is... That would be a very Trumpian move. I know that he can still run and get elected and all that regardless of what happens here. Smart Mark, who people are aware of, was saying last night, you know, like and with Donald Trump, you might hear that and be like, that's so ridiculous that that's true. But, you know, he was saying, like, if felons couldn't run for office and like Martin Luther King couldn't have run for office if he'd wanted to and things of that. And, you know, the founding father's worried about political, political persecution.

Yeah. You know, when you think about it, that way, it does make sense that a felon shouldn't be disallowed from running for office or winning. It also in this scenario helps us with that argument when it's being thrown around by right wingers. this is political persecution. It's like it's not going to stop him for him. In fact, look, I said earlier that Donald Trump, the only thing I respected about him is that he's totally going to do whatever he wants. But if it were me,

like in that meeting where I would agree to do whatever he wanted, what I would tell him to do is take a plea and then use what went down as a launching point for my campaign, play the victim the whole campaign and then get in the White House and pardon myself now we also have no

precedent for that can you pardon yourself I mean what an insane prospect but I'm not saying I expect him to do that if I had to bet I would say that it would take a lot of time and a lot of advisors but eventually

someone would convince him to take a plea but then and during his campaign you know use that and play the victim while being the bully, which has been the most, what's the word I'm looking for, not successful, financially viable thing.

Comedy, politics, Hollywood, being a bully while playing the victim is just really, really lucrative, right? Lucrative, right. Yeah, oh,

he's definitely going to do that regardless of how it plays out. I just, you know, I didn't know if you thought, uh, like so when you say, try to get him and take a plea or whatever,

you're assuming it's a plea that what? And he's like, he's going to be on probation or something? Like that's what we're talking about. No jail time would be the thing. But here's the thing. I didn't realize, I think I saw it this morning. So I didn't realize till today that they had charged him with actual espionage. Dude, I don't even know how you navigate a plea.

I mean, again, we're just in uncharted waters here because I would say every other case of that. Yeah. It's very standard. Like, this dude sold secrets to the highest bidder. Right, which puts you in like ADX Florence in college, but like the nation's biggest supermax prison, you know what I mean? Until they murder you. Yeah, it's like super high level shit. Yeah, traders get death.

Yeah, right. Yeah, right. So on the one side you've got people going to go, we've never done this to a former president who, you know, blah, blah, blah. This is bullshit. This political gamesmanship. But then you're going to have people on the left going if he gets a plea deal. We've never given a plea deal to someone. accused of treason, a type of treason.

This is political gamesmanship. It's a, dude, our country is a nightmare. Yeah. The situation is a nightmare. People, there are children right now in America who will be raised without one of their parents because of this court case. Right. Now, whether that's a police officer or someone in a guard situation or just some

dip shit with a tattoo of a snake. not wanting to get traded on. Someone's going to die for or over Donald Trump. And that is the bleakest sentence I can possibly say. Imagine dying. I mean, they already have, you know, like, that's already happened. Imagine your dad died for Donald Trump. Yeah.

It's fun. I was just, the guy was a dude I was at that wedding with was telling me about he, he been to Talladega a few times, talking about how wild it is, how good of time it is. Because, you know, and I'm sure it does. does hit. But he said while I was down there, uh, he said some drunk redneck passed out in a puddle of water like this deep and drowned and died. And, uh, you know, we're kind of laughing about how embarrassing that. It's like that's, you know, but anyway, uh, like, as soon as you said,

imagine your dad died over, you know, Donald Trump's charges, whatever I thought of that dude. And it was like, I remember there was also that we used to laugh about that dude, some dude in Florida, I think, tried to, like, tried to fight an alligator over something and got killed. And we were talking about doing, like, a sketch that took place at his funeral where, like, the family's trying to, like, avoid discussing the exact details of his death because it's so fucking stupid. You know, the alligator took something, but, like, something, like a snow cone. Yeah, and then he, like, went after it and got it. Anyway.

My damn, phone back. Yeah, that's right up there in the annals of, like, a regrettable. deaths. There's a good friend of the family type situation. The patriarch is sick and it is an issue that was something he ignored and is now a worse issue. That's my whole family history right there, frankly. Right. So I was going to say, so a lot of people have that story and obviously it's fair to be angry with your father, but at least he didn't die for Donald Trump. Like if your dad died out of being stubborn, it's time to forgive him because it could have been so much worse.

Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, what I think is going to, I do think he'll eventually take a plea, but this is so unprecedented, dude. You're asking me to comment or gamble on a new sport, in my opinion, but I think he'll take some sort of plea. He's so arrogant, though, he may force it to go to trial and make it get more violent because he thinks he can get enough support drummed up that it won't matter if he gets found guilty. I have to believe that's not the case.

Right. If he were president, he would just pardon himself and we'd all have to accept it, I guess. Yeah, well, I guess we'll find out. As you know, I got a little bit of a time constraint that I might do a somewhat shorter episode. Do you have anything you want to say or throw back out? there before we shut her down. No. I want to talk about my baby shower next week because I went to my first baby shower because it was mine and it was it was interesting.

Yeah. Well, that'll hit. That'll be something for people to tune in for. Love talking baby stuff. So we'll see you next time. Go to see Drew and Denver and all his other places and go to Trey Crowder. com. Check my shit out.

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