wellRED podcast - #374 - The Katt Williams Effect!

Episode Date: January 10, 2024

This week the boys sit down to discuss the BOMBSHELL interview that Katt Williams gave on Shannon Sharpe's Podcast Club Shay Shay! If you have been living under a rock, this includes many MANY accusations of Hollywood folk lying and engaging in some nefarious Tom-Foolery! A fun conversation... hope yalll enjoy it! TraeCrowder.com DrewMorganComedy.com BonusCorey.com SPONSORS: RocketMoney.com/WellRED FactorMeals.com/WellRED50 Promo Code:WellRED50

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All right, what's up, well-red people? We're back. I want to start out by telling everybody's story. I don't know if y'all know that. Y'all know this. We never told the world. But one time, Larry the cable guy, tried to jerk me off in the back of a bojangles.

Also, yeah. Also, I heard Jeff Foxworthy is a heroin addict, and I don't know what Bill Engval is doing, but I don't think it's good. He's the sentient amyroid. No, sorry, I just thought that might help with numbers because, you know. Right. Because, yeah.

Kat Williams. Yeah, it seemed to have really worked for him. I made all that up, just to be clear, just everybody's lagers. You got to start with, they stole my jokes. I don't know any of those people. You got to start off with joke thievery and then work your way up to sexual assault and or just homophobia. It's kind of hard to tell sometimes.

That is true. Yeah, there was quite a bit of that going on. Dolly Parton's husband tried to fuck my butt at a party for 50 million. million dollars and I told him no. Which pissed me off because you were wingmaning for me and me and Andy were about to fuck Dolly but Corey couldn't do it. He tried. He tried everybody.

We did actually hear second. We did actually hear second hand that Andy Griffith was a bit of a dick. So if that's of interest anybody. Yeah. A huge asshole. That old boy. Oh boy. We met at the Drive-by trucker show in Atlanta who's like a roadie type guy on that scene for years

and years. He was in bands. Old musician dude said when he was a kid. I don't want to say his name. I know him though. Say when he was a kid, he met Andy Griffith, and it was like, you know, meeting his hero or whatever. And he said he was like 10 or 11 years old. And he walked up to him, Mr. Griffith, whatever, and Andy Griffith goes, fuck off, kid.

That was the end of that. He said he ran into June Carter Cash a couple years later and was afraid to talk to her because, quote, I didn't want June Carter Cash to tell me to fuck off too. So, yeah, anyway, spilling the tea, we don't have much of it. But, yeah, I'm sure y'all. We got a little bit. You all know that Kat Williams went on Shannon Sharks podcast and did that, and it's like the biggest podcast of all time already a week later.

I think literally now. No, I know. I saw a thing. I saw people point out that, like, it's pretty, by YouTube metrics or whatever, it's bigger than any Rogan episode he's ever done, I think. And it's only been out for a week, or it's very, very close anyway. But I was going to say we did also hear it. And we immediately, we were like, okay, well, that's clearly not true.

but we also met a photographer in Atlanta, a bit of a wild cat, this guy, who told us that he saw Jeff Foxworthy. Jeff Foxworthy in a Chevy dealership. I was strung out on heroin in a Chevy dealership once. And we were like, Jeff Foxworthy on heroin. He was like, yeah, but people don't know. And it's like, I don't know, don't they, though? That's hard. I think they do.

Yeah, I have a hard time. I'm believing that. I think that spurred. No, I'd already talk to you about this because I remember we just, we used to talk on the phone, which is crazy. Yeah. Like if you called me right now, I'd be like, man, we lost something. Furious.

We got fired. Yeah. Like, we lost everything, or Trey is in jail. Yeah. But we used to talk on the phone, and I'd get really stoned. And we used to talk about Dark Foxworthy, which we put in the book. Yeah, right. So when that guy said that, I thought, I remember thinking for like half a second, he's doing our bit back to us.

Dad, no. This dude read our book and knows this will get us going. The bit being, what if Jeff Foxworthy fell off, went into a dark place and did his style of humor, but with really dark thoughts. I thought he was doing that back to us. I thought, oh, this is clever. This dude, read our jokes in our book about what if Foxworthy went completely dark and he's setting us up. You lived in my brain for 0.5 seconds. He thought everybody was just about you and doing a bit about you?

I don't know. No, just something so insane. that you're convinced of for like, yeah, this is exactly what that would be. Yeah, speaking of one of those, did you change your beard dye or is the lighting different in your house? You look very dashing in a Scottish way to me right now. No beard dye, so it's just lighting. I moved my camera. I moved everything back, so I've got more backlight, so I'm more pronounced. So, yeah. That is a pronounced beard. Well, hold on, beard die. Thank you.

Is that a known thing here? Are we breaking news or what? You say don't have anything? I have I have died my beard before because so right here there's like, and it bit now that I've let my mustache grow, it's like totally fine. But there for a long time, the hairs at the bottom of my mustache were lighter than everything. So nothing connected.

So I just, it looked weird. But I noticed that if I dyed my beard a little darker, those strands, they looked like they connected. And I felt a lot better about it. I can't remember. But now my mustache is just long. I can't believe you don't remember this. He told us all of that and that explanation, which was fine.

And then it came up. And he had forgotten that he told us that and then told you he didn't do it. And you got so mad. Yeah, I totally forgot about that. Then you were like, oh, okay. Yeah, all right. And I was like, it's fine, dude. I don't dye my beard.

We were like, okay. So I was going to say the dude, the photographer in Atlanta, I'm sure y'all probably don't remember this. but the other thing I always stick up when I think of that guy, the guy that told us that Foxworthy was a smackhead or whatever. He was taking pictures of us once and, you know, I wear glasses most time, huge dork, whatever. He was like, how about we get something without your glasses on? I was like, okay, fine, no problem.

And I took them up. We're just out in this, like, we were in front of that old warehouse. Yeah, they called the farm. The goat farm, right? The goat farm. Which, by the way, is that like a joke, like a play on words? Because they turned this old warehouse in Atlanta, like a rundown. factory into like an artist collective place,

meaning like, are they farming goats there? Or they literally, you know, goats? Like, the greatest of all times? Yeah, right. Like, is that some hip thing that came up with? Yeah, because Migos was there right before us. Is that true? I remember him saying that, but he also then said that Jeff Foxworthy was smacked out of his

mind. Yeah, exactly. But anyway, what he also said is he was like, what's funny is I totally believe the Migos thing until right now. Yeah, right. I was like, man, I can't believe that idiot who made up that story about Jeff Foxworthy was. the photographer for the Migos.

For Migos. Yeah, right. Yeah. Well, he also, we're at that goat farm things. It makes a good backdrop. We're out in, like, the parking lot of it, taking pictures. He asked me to take my glasses off. And I pulled him off like this, and there's this, like, cinder block that are, like, parking. What's the things you pull up to to park?

A curb? A berm. A berm. I think they are berms, aren't they? Little berms, those things. But the things you pull your car up to, I, like, took, we're just in a parking lot, so I took my glasses off. And I, like, held them up in front of him, like, in front of everybody.

I was like, all right. So here, and I sat him on that thing. I was like, that's where my glasses are, everybody. He was the one who asked me to take them off. I did that. I stepped back, and he was like, okay, great. And he picks his camera up and he, like, cocks his leg up like this, like to take a cool stance to take the picture. And when he does, he kicks my glasses off the berm into the parking light.

Like, he just, like, slammed his boot on him immediately after asking me to take them off and watching me put them there. Like, it seemed like it was on purpose. I bet he didn't treat Domingos like that. No, no way. Hell no. He didn't mean to do it. He was just like he was just a, he was just something else that guy. Engulfed in his work?

I don't know. You think it was that? Or just like engulfed in his own, you know? I think he's just one of them people just, you know, got his own thing going on all the time internally. But like in a kooky way or like in a narcissistic way? I don't know. Maybe both. I guess it could be both.

What did y'all think of all the cat, William stuff? Well, I texted y'all right. So he was going off about like. all the Illuminati shit. Yeah. And he's saying all this stuff. And then I'm reading on Twitter, like people going, oh, yeah, that's true about Cedric.

Oh, look at this clip of Steve Harvey and Mark Curry really going at it backstage. And he starts saying all this stuff. And I go, oh, my God. Like, I've tried so hard for the past eight years to convince myself that's like, okay, look, yes, is there a group of super influential producers in Hollywood that are tastemakers? Absolutely that exists. But like the Illuminati, as it's purported by,

lot of Q&N type people. That don't exist. That's not really a thing. I'm going to be able to make it on just my merit. And then Kat goes in this whole thing. Like they gave a ludicrous $10 million a movie. He just had to fuck Pete Diddy's butt. I was like, oh my God. Like, is this real? Like, are we going to have to do this or nobody wants us to? Who cares if it's real? Yeah, right. It was fire. And it was just enough of like provable things. The receipts, as the kids say. Right. There was just enough things where you could go. I mean, look, I don't know of said stole his joke. I went and watched them. I mean, you're pretty similar. They're very different till the end.

And then the very end of the joke is very similar. You're talking about the act out. The act out is borderline identical. Right. Well, that's the, to me, that was the whole, maybe I saw a different clip than you saw because the clips I saw were basically just. Just the act out. Pretty much the setup and then the act out, which the act out is them like cruising down the street and like a, in a six foe. But someone posted that.

The kids used to say. Someone posted those two clips? with a clip from the Simpsons six years before either of them did it where a black comedian in the Simpsons on stage did it Holy shit really

I mean they said the Simpsons has always done everything first but like that's I mean that's wild I didn't know that it's probably because an act out where you act like you're riding in the car is probably an old circuit thing of course there's just many ways to do is my belief on that

I don't know but the Steve Curry Steve Curry Lord Mark Curry? Steve Harvey Mark Curry shit was like And then somebody else was posting clips Not only of it happening But Mark Curry talking about it happening In old interviews

But it was an old interview on like local TV Nobody Givesafuck.com That made me like Okay, there's enough of this stuff That's true or somewhat true That it kind of makes all of it Feel more true or feel like it You know, it's what you're talking about?

Why would you lie? Well, I don't think ludicrous butt-fucked puff daddy. But I think somebody told Kat that and Kat believes it. But to be fair, as a lot of other people point out, we talked about it. You're like, why would he lie? Like, he did also say

that he reads eight books a day. He runs a 4.1 40-yard dash, which would be the... If you give him shorts. Which would be the fastest in NFL history by a lot, by the way. I mean, a fraction of a second, but when you're talking about... I thought it was 4.13. I thought that he said or the...

That's the record. I thought it was 4.2 or 4. Like, I thought, wasn't it Chris Johnson? Maybe later Tyree Kill? I don't know. Deons was a 4-2-something. Yeah, I thought 4-2-something was, well, whatever. Either way, it would make him like the fastest person that ever lived in 40-yard increments.

I have no idea how fast Usain Bolt can run a 40-yard dash, but it's probably pretty goddamn quick. But anyway, Kat Williams ain't Usain Bolt. He said that, read eight books a day. He was like, guy accepted the college at 13, but didn't go, dropped out of everything. He just, he said a bunch of wild shit. some of it's probably I know he don't run he also said he's 92 and 6

in one-on-one games against 20-year-olds like he says he plays one-on-one basketball against like 20-year-old dudes every day and he's 92 and 6 against them or whatever so I mean like he might play with shitty people

it's hard to deny something that specific Trey I mean to me it's like the numbers make it more believable yeah I guess that's a good point if it was like 20-year-old me that he was playing. Right. You know,

that you could definitely believe that he pulled that off. He played six black people? Yeah, 92 me's. Yeah. Here's the most unbelievable thing he said, in my opinion, was he said,

I've taken 46 comics on the road with me and I only hire openers who are funnier than me. That's the biggest lie he said. Because there's not 46 people that have ever lived that are funnier than Cat Williams. 100% agree. Yeah.

Yeah, but sure. Right. But that's also like, that's just him. you know, being humble. Being cool. Yeah, right, exactly. Like, I don't think he actually thinks that.

I don't, he might, but even if he thinks that, that's still different because it's like, he also talked a lot about, he's like, I'm, you know, I've never been my own biggest fan. I don't think I hit that hard. And I think a whole lot of comics are like that. So that's not really that hard to buy for me, except that he also talked about, you know, how much harder he hit than a bunch of other people and stuff. So he does. He does.

Of course he does. I agree with him. But I think that's kind of a weird, he says wild shit. It's a weird dichotomy to have going on, a dynamic to have going on internally at the same time has been like, oh, I don't think I'm, I don't think I'm all that great. I only thought I was funny starting 10 years ago or whatever. Slash, all these other people are far inferior to me because I hit so much harder. Well, dude, I mean, I feel, I've got a bit of that in me where like, I don't hit for myself,

but then there's some other people. I'm like, well, I damn sure I know I hit harder than that motherfucker, though. And he didn't say that about everybody, too. I mean, if you go back around the tape, he gave D.L. his props. He gave Bernie his props. Like, there were. Gary Owen, which is cool.

I say, dude, it's got a hit so hard to be. people don't know Gary Owen is a white comedian who's like been on the black circuit for years and is like accepted by a black audience. His audience is primarily black and he's a white dude comic and it's like he's never had mainstream success but it's like is that, you know, does that it's better. Is that better even? Like, because you know, I mean, being the, definitely a millionaire. Being like like court put. You get to go to so many cooler parties. Right. Being every black guy's favorite white comic or whatever is, you know, it's worth a lot of, uh, uh, pilot gigs or whatever that he's not that he's not getting instead it's pretty sweet i think though

but you're right cat didn't go after everybody it upsets me that they don't put gary o and m more black movies though as the token they or't maybe he's too cool to be the token white guy if you don't mean like uh like he can't you know what i'm saying what i know what i know what you're saying i don't don't believe that about him. Dude. He's going to turn down playing a dork in Friday? No, no, no, no. I don't mean, I don't mean, like, he is too cool for that.

I mean, like, I don't know how his acting range is. I'm saying. You can't pull it all. He's not, he's not a dorky white guy. When I said too cool, I meant, like, he's too. Yeah, I got it now. He got too much flavor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, yeah. Like, yeah, like, I could do that. But all I was saying. But I'll stumble over some books. All I was saying to piggyback off Corey was he didn't go after. everybody. I agree with Corey. That dichotomy to me is not that wild. To be like

yeah, I don't hit that hard, but fuck Steve Harvey who hasn't done comedy in 15 years, who shit on Bernie. He couldn't see me in a dream. Because I too feel that way about numerous people. It's just that there's other people where I'm like, now I could not see them in a dream. You know what I mean?

Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying any of it wasn't true. I'm just saying he just said a whole bunch of wild shit. I also read something I'm not trying to change topics at all, but it was about like the adolescence of men in America, like part of what's going on, why men are so fucked up and turning back to, you know, old ways and they want a woman to say, was about the absence of male spaces? Did that come up? Probably. Because I've been wanting to bring that up on here, but we're not right now.

So we'll say that for later, but it was talking about this dichotomy of being having absolutely no actual confidence, but being completely full of bravado that you do believe, this paradox. So, like, I think that's just like a thing with men sometimes. Do you know what I mean? Like I'm the most, I hate myself. I'm very insecure, but also I'm better than you. I don't know why I'm acting like I'm so surprised by it. I mean, I also have, like I'm pretty confident in myself while also, you know, pretty

strongly hating myself to it at the same time. And I've kind of always been that way as long as I can remember. But, but, yeah, I don't know. Shit was wild. What's your favorite part? Well, I'm still, I'm about halfway through part two. The whole thing's like three hours total. So I'm about two hours of 15 minutes in or something like that.

I'm blown away. You were able to walk away from it. Well, I always, I typically, I listen to podcasts and stuff why I'm in the kitchen, chopping it up, literally. What? Speaking of chopping it up. I'm cooking in the kitchen, I'd be listening to podcasts. Whenever I'm done, I pause it, come back to it later. I was saying, speaking of chopping it up, I was trying to throw it to something.

It doesn't matter. No, we're not doing that. Okay. We're going to have to plug those in. Okay. We got a little bit of time issue. But my favorite part was watching Shannon Sharp be very uncomfortable a lot. Shannon's reactions were great.

He was like, oh, come on, Cat. Like when he would say some truly wild stuff. At one point he kind of stopped. He's like, I ain't going to be able to get nobody. I ain't going to be able to get no more comedians after this. I bet it's the opposite. Oh, for sure. And that's what Kat said.

That's what Kat told him. He's like, you're going to have everybody now. And, yeah, I agree. I think it's... I'm hoping... I'm looking forward to responses. Only one I've... Ludacus responded.

Cedric wrote some comments on Instagram and that was it, but I want to see... Um, not Ricky Smiley. Oh, shit. There was... He went in on Ricky Smiley. God damn. Ricky Smiley really don't have for him.

Mike Epps responded and it was pretty... I thought it was the best one I'd seen in terms of if I were a PR person giving out grades... What do you say about Mike Epps? I thought when he talked about the cast of Next... writing and stuff. I remember him talking about how they all hit and everything. Yeah, yeah, he didn't see anything shitty about him, but he was talking about Epps is one of the people who

has backed up Smiley, apparently, in terms of what Smiley claimed. Oh, okay. And apparently... What was that quote that Kat said when Shannon said, talking about, cat was going in on people and Shannon was talking about these people being his friends, and Kat goes, you know, Shannon, you never struck me as someone

who would hang out with people that don't hit or something like that. It was so goddamn funny. I think that was it. I think that was it. That's what he said. Yeah, he also would tell Shannon sometimes he's like, you know, that's why you're supposed to call these people on this stuff. And Shannon's like, I don't know. I don't know. How fuck am I supposed to know? They're making any of it up.

He said, you know, I was wondering that exact thing when he was on your couch last week and you didn't ask him. Right. Yeah, Kat was a little disrespectful to Shannon in a couple ways because like, yeah, Shannon's whole thing is he researches these people. But like he doesn't like he doesn't have any of this fucking backstory. worry. He don't know to ask Cedric. Hey, by the way, off topic, did you steal something from Cat, you know what I'm saying? No, he asked Cedric about stealing from him

because that's been a topic of conversation in black comedy for a long time, and that's how all that, that's why Cat decided to come on the show is he hated Cedric's answer. That's actually the genesis of it, is he said you have been accused by people, I'm not saying you did it, of

stealing this bit from Cat Williams, and Cedric's response was something like, they don't line up. Like, if you actually look at it. It's not the same joke. And then Kack was like, whole point was, we discussed it. He apologized to me for doing it. So how,

you know, I let it go because he apologized, but now he's going to say it didn't happen. Yeah. Shit's wild. Go Raiders. Yeah. I wonder if any of our fans what?

Like, no or care anything about Kat Williams and like Twitter. I was going to I felt like everybody, but I guess you're right. We are, we are comedians, but yeah, I thought that, like, everybody was talking about, was talking about this shit. That's why I thought of it. Because my friends have been calling me, asking me about all this shit.

Like, they're very, so it's crossed over into non-comedian world. I'm pumped about the copycats. You know, every great comedian has copycats. When I started in New York, when I first moved to New York, Louis was huge. I had to hear a bunch of fucking rich 25-year-olds talk about how suicide. they were because like louis had been you know what i mean there's always he's setting a trend people are going to start shit talking each other especially when you see the numbers well i mean i started this episode by doing that as a bit i'm saying people are actually going to do it yeah you're

probably right um i don't want no part of none of that but uh well don't worry we don't hit hard yeah you're right it's true that's true yeah we buy this will this will great let them burn everybody to the ground and then we'll move up a notch yeah yeah that wouldn't not hit i i don't think it's going to burn people to the ground. If you think said can't sell tickets right now, you're very wrong. There are people clamoring to hear him respond live. Do you see what Roy said about it? Pretty typical, classy Roy, I thought. Yeah, yeah, he was like when the uncles are getting into it at the barbecue, the nephew should just stay out of it. Yep. Which, you know, like I said, that's Roy for you. Good response, I thought. But I don't, you're right. I don't know people

might not have noticed this as much as I thought they did. Either I was going to then do another comedy thing. Let's do it. Ask about what y'all thought about Joe Coy. You all that stuff. That's bigger than comedy. Right, because he hosted the Golden Globes and people care. On the one hand, I feel like the Golden Globes and Oscars and stuff

for not remotely what they used to be. Like, they're not. No. They're not the events that they used to. Like, I bet Sunday night football smoked the Golden Globes last night. And I bet it probably didn't used to. But still, people do care about pop culture.

They care about Hollywood. People care about celebrity shit and all that stuff. So people do pay attention to it. Joe Coy has been one of the biggest selling comedians on tour for fucking what? Five years. Five years. He's one of those people that like mainstream white American audiences or whatever might be surprised to hear how huge he is. But he's like one of the biggest acts out.

out there and has been for a long time. And he got hired to host it last night. And it did not hit for people, generally speaking. He's been getting absolutely cooked by the internet at large. And I just wondered where y'all were at on that. It seemed to me that what didn't hit for people was his reaction to the crowd. Like, do you know what I mean? No one's going like, oh, your jokes were terrible.

They're going, why did you respond like that? He threw the riders under the bus. That's where a lot of my people are pissed at it. There's that. But it's also like just in general, you're hosting. It's your job to make sure everyone's having a good time. And then you're attacking people. A, B, when I first heard it for a fucking award show, it landed.

It was fine. Like, what was his pride? I think he heard someone boo him. Yeah. And you know that thing? I've been super guilty of it. I mean, we've told stories of me on this podcast of me like hearing the one or seeing the one person saying the wrong thing and then acting like everything's awful. So I get it, but like, you can't do that there.

Right. You guys are talking about the one clip, the same clip that I feel like anybody in the comedy world, that's the one they all picked out and that everybody talked about for fair reason. He told the joke, he wasn't happy with the response to the joke. He then sort of went off script and was like, what the fuck. I only got this gig 10 days ago. You think it's going to be perfect? Give me a break, whatever.

And then he was like, I didn't even write all these jokes. The ones you're laughing at, I wrote those, the other ones, somebody. else wrote those and yeah that don't hit for me throwing his own rider throwing his own riders under the bus don't hit but like dude it's a lot more than that there's at least two other big big things that didn't hit for people to have nothing to do with that well i wonder what they are but wasn't that first i mean all of this came from his opening monologue that's only what i but i think that tone like to me that's where he fucked up that's a tone setter but i think maybe these other things might have happened before that might have led to him getting booed a little bit or something because

that one as a comedian I'm like dude don't throw your riders on the bus that ain't cool and like you said you can't respond that way in that scenario sure the other two things though is Taylor Swift and Barbie the Barbie movie okay right he went out of him felled up huh right listen to the Taylor Swift they know like you know how Swifties be sure he made a joke about Taylor Swift they cut to Taylor Swift and she looks not happy about it she like Cadillie takes a sip of her wine or whatever. Like, you could just tell. Just pure white woman.

No sold it completely. Like, that joke did not hit for me. Great move by her. Everybody latched on to that. It's like, oh, he's fucked now. He's ruined himself. Now you don't come after Taylor like that. Whatever.

Again, you're not as Swifties B. Here's what the joke was, as I understand it. He said something about like they were on and Sunday Night Football was on to and he's like, the only difference between us and the NFL is we have fewer reaction shots of Taylor Swift. That was the joke. The target of that joke. joke is the NFL, right?

It's making fun of the NFL for focusing on Taylor Swift during a football game. It don't even really have nothing to do with her, in my opinion. It doesn't. Like, but, but, you know. To me, that's the problem. He should have went after. He said a joke with her in it and it didn't hit for her. And so now people are like, whatever.

That's why he should have went after. Team Taylor coming out of the fault. And then the Barbie thing, he said something about, he made a joke about it. It's a movie about a doll with big titties or whatever, big boobs or something like that. He, like, you know, he reduced this landmark feminist achievement in cinema to a movie about it. I mean, that's what they were, that's what people were saying. Literally corporate sponsored feminist achievement. Right, that's what people were.

So those were like, those two things had people, and everybody was just, you know, on Twitter and what I saw, it was universally negative pretty much. But it was mostly those things and then the thing we were talking about. But the Taylor Swift thing, obviously Swift fans would have hated him if he made fun of Taylor no matter what. but that's never going to be his target audience. Right. Imagine Jervase made a Taylor's Sub joke, and the joke was good, back when he used to, you know, do those things. He would have got attacked online,

but it would have absolutely raised his profile. Right. Do you know what? Among the problem is he didn't go after, and it wasn't that funny. Right. My literal only problem with it is throwing his riders under the bus. Yeah, me too.

Because other than that, it's like, you know, it's a hard gig. It's kind of a no-win situation when you're hosting the Golden Gloves because like you're not going to kill like you can't like you can't kill in that audience so like even if his jokes are great people still be coming after him but like my only thing was like bro you know don't give the game away like I only got this job 10 days ago don't give a fuck you still got the job like do it that is blame your writer but that is weird though surely they don't do that every year what's up with that by the way like if that's true which I know he was only announced like in December it wasn't that much over 10 days ago like why the

fuck would they do that somebody pulled out that's what it has it had to be, right? Is it because of like, remember when the Kevin Hart, like, they dropped him, like maybe they're announcing later so that if they announce early, it gives people time to dig up shitty things that they've done? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I just, if that's... But in that scenario, he would be a liar, right? Right. Yeah. Okay. But, uh, I mean, what... Like he knew about it, but it didn't get an out. You said you can't kill in that room. You brought it Ricky Jervais. Ricky Jervais went hard after the people in the room and he didn't kill in the room. You can go back and watch all the...

He killed for us at home. People in the room were like not digging it really. That's why it hits so hard. But he became legendary outside of that room because everybody else like respected the shit out of it and are like this guy hits. So I think you're right that that is the... Because I was going to ask like what you all like put yourself in his shoes. Like if you had that job or whatever, you know. I would either go hard.

I personally would have just done the jokes. Or I wouldn't have touched Taylor. You got to, like to me it's like Trump. You got to not touch it or you got to fucking go at it. Right. You know what I mean? 100%. Or I guess he could have reversed it and done some super positive Taylor Swift joke,

like making fun of her haters and that would have worked, but that would have been very funny. But like you said, though, his joke was about the NFL. It wasn't even about Taylor. It's just that what we have to understand here is that Swifties have a personality disorder. Yes. And their brains don't work. Yes.

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red. Rocket money.com slash well read. We thank them for sponsoring. Is this show? I don't know. To be clear before I get attacked. I don't mean liking Taylor Swift. I mean like attacking people. I love Taylor Swift. I'm just saying making it your whole personality and belonging to some sort of like beehive type situation. That's insane. Did y'all, or if you as a comedian host a show like that, and it did go that way,

like, it didn't, you know, the response was not great. It didn't get the best reviews or reactions or whatever. Well, those are two different things. Okay, so literally everything I saw was universally

negative as far as how people felt about. It was the reviews and the reactions. It was everything. I didn't see anybody going like, no, he fucking killed. Everybody else is just hating or whatever. Maybe those people just kept her mouth shut. But like everything I, every reaction I saw was a bad one. That shit can happen.

I'm saying what do you, like, you know, would you be, you have to find, you're going to, you do something that high profile. You're going to find out about, you can't do like me and just try to avoid all your fucking, you know, the shitty comments and stuff. Like, that's going to get presented to you, right? Like, you can't avoid that. I think you got like two options. Like you have to find out about it. And when you find out about it like, what do you do? Do you just go away for a while?

Like what do you like do you like do you like do you like do you like do you go back and sells 15,000 tickets in a stadium in Hawaii? I don't mean that of course that I know he's going to be fine. I mean I'm talking like that just the impact of that on you and you do you do you respond to it at all. Of course he keeps doing stand up and he will keep selling out and he's already made a a shitload of money. He'll keep making a shitload more.

so do you just ignore that you had this experience and just keep doing your thing? I think you have to like respond but you got to be like if anything I've learned from people from like celebrities doing dumb shit over the years it's like the best thing you can do is like go on Saturday Night Live and make fun of yourself or like whatever like you got to own it if he tries to double down and continues with the I just got the gig 10 days ago he's going to look like a diva bitch so like I'd probably put out a tweet making fun of myself and then then, yeah, go do a big show and make half a million dollars and jerk off. I would explore with my team the possibility of saying, hey, like I said, I had 10 days.

I regret throwing my riders under the bus. But also, like, I had other jokes they wouldn't let me and my writers, we had other jokes they wouldn't let us do. So I just want everybody to hear the jokes they rejected. Yeah. And then I would fucking flame everybody in that room with actual really good jokes that I spend three weeks. That's a good idea. That's a great idea. It was almost like, what was that supposed to do?

You know, they were fucking, they had me on a leash. Yeah. But the fact that he responded so poorly live, I think makes that harder. I mean, I think it would have been way better for him to eat the bomb than attack the crowd. You guys sit through his riders under the bus. I agree, that's top of the list. But to me, number two, was attacking that crowd live. This isn't a comedy club where you're having a bad day, burn it down so you'll feel better about yourself in the hotel room later,

which by the way never works. You never feel better because you attack the crap. But did you see what I'm saying? He got, he looked like I've been there. I'm not saying he is a little bitch, but America's view of that is look at this little bitch.

So on that note, I find it wild sometimes the comics that like the top of the game can have that kind of reaction in a moment like that because to me you would just assume that. I have a theory as to why.

Okay, good, because I'd love to, because here's what happened with me. I feel like this happens in most comics, maybe not, maybe some people just aren't wired this way to begin with. but like early on I had a couple

heckler experiences wherever shitty bar shows something goes south and I lost my fucking mind right I know Corey's done it he got banned from the city

of Myrtle Beach for doing it right but like I've whole city but which is hard flipped out I know a guy

who jacked a dog off there and he's welcomed back yeah he gave him a key of the city yeah he's the mayor

yeah so uh anyway you know flipped out screaming fucking fuck this motherfucker

you know and it I realized very quickly that did not help my case or hit for anybody at all. All that did was like completely derailed the show further. Like with somebody's being a dick, the rest of the crowd might be kind of on your team at first,

but if you go straight up ballistic on that person, they're going to turn on you. It's going to make it weird and it's going to ruin the whole thing. And I had that happen a couple times coming up, and I was like, okay, so not that. Don't do that, right? Right. But sometimes you'll see guys have been doing it 20, 30 years or

whatever, you'll see them do that. I've seen them, I've seen guys in that position do that. Ego. Yeah, right. And it's like, that's just wild to me. Because it hasn't happened to them in a long time. Yeah, right. So long.

Right. And that's a muscle memory. Yeah, you're probably right. And then related to that, my theory is he has an audience, a very large one. A big part of the challenge with stand-up is you walk on stage and it's a roomful to strangers and you've got to get them to think you're funny in the first like 30 seconds or so. well he hasn't had to do that in years either because when you have your own built-in audience and you're doing your own shows and your names on the marquee and they're not paper in the room and it's not like this comedy club's got a good reputation they can sell tickets with or without you if theaters hell jockoy does arenas in some cities yeah yeah it's got a big Asian population if you got arenas coming to see you and they know who you are and it's been like that for years we're literally a decade plus you don't have that much muscle anymore because it's like working out so you get up there first of all why isn't this

working it always works right second of all it's got to be them because you know if you if you haven't beforehand thought about all the stuff i just said but this hollywood fake ass crowd i'll tell the truth to them you know what i mean and you fall back on that and that's my theory it's it's it's the combination of having your own audience makes you sharper in some ways but it makes you weaker in other ways in terms of doing regular stand-up, and then it being years, years since anything like that had happened to him. But the first thing, though, I guess if you do it for 20 years and you're doing it in huge, huge rooms and stuff,

and you have ego becomes a factor and whatever else. But, like, I, on a very, very, very much smaller scale than that, I kind of relate to that. I've thought about that before plenty of time. Like, when I'm on the road, I'm in comedy clubs, but, like, I have my own audience. And if I go up out here, I'm, like, I'm very aware, that it's not the same thing.

He's not going up out here, I don't think. Maybe at the store. Also, he's so famous. I just don't know how you're not aware of the fact that I'm not in front of my audience right now. I don't care how big you are. I guess if you get big enough, you think that you're always going to have your audience. Exactly. Everywhere you go, you'll have an audience.

And to some extent, if you're that big, it's true that people, dude, take even someone who's not even known for the stand-up like Bobby Lee. When Bobby Lee goes up at the store, he doesn't have to convince anyone that he's funny. He doesn't have to let everyone know. what kind of jokes he does. Everyone at the store, except for maybe a few tourists who stumbled in because they read about it on the internet, know that Bobby Lee is the funny Asian guy, and he's going to do jokes about his dad. Do you know what I mean? They're going to have some notion of that. Well, that's like a huge step in your career. It's great. No offense, I don't think if you go up

at the store right now, you have that with the whole crowd. Me? Yeah. I want to have it with a fraction of them. Of course I know that. Yeah, right. So you haven't lost that. Like, at some point that will hopefully go away for you. Right. And then you could end up in that scenario if you, I don't know, on a whim, did comedy in a corner of the world where they didn't know who you were. No, generally speaking, I go up out here. Like, I feel like I can tell because usually if I get announced, if I hear like best case,

I'll hear a, woo or something. Right. You know what I mean? And I'm like, that one person. I thought it was Stephen Crowder. Or perhaps, yeah. Well, I mean, I'm in L.A., so or I'm in Hollywood and shit. So.

I thought it was Oliver Platt. There you can. That, anyway. I thought it was a random Rainer's fan. Buying a Chevy. Yep. Yep. All that.

So, and then the only thing I'd add to that is people there didn't know who Joe Coy was, but not like with Jervais or Rock. He's as big as them numbers-wise. But in that room, I bet a lot of those celebrities were like, who the fuck is this? Yeah, probably. He sells as many tickets as those dudes do. but he doesn't have the television and the,

he's not been around that long, yeah. And so that's the energy he's getting, but he didn't know what to do with it. You would know what to do with people being like, who the fuck is this? Yeah, very accustomed to. But I also know you, you would have just done your fucking act and left.

You know? Yeah. All right. I'm not saying it would have happened to everybody in his position, but I think that's why. It's like the muscles are weak. That type of muscle, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. You think there's a, I mean, no one turns that job down, right? Like on the one, on the one hand, on the one hand, arguably someone did. Or something happened.

Well, if you're already mega famous and have done it before, maybe. Right, but if they're, if they're, right, somebody had to have dropped out,

dude, they had to have because if they, if everything went as normal and they gave him and the team of writers only 10 days, that's fucking insane.

The only other theory I would open for the Republican National Convention right now. I ain't turning shit down. But you know what you would do with it. And the only other theory I had, I have is they did have somebody like Schultz and 10 days

out he was just refusing to like agree with their notes because like somebody like that Tim Dillon, Andrew Schultz would take it 100% I think they would and they would go to your face only if they could go to Jervais

and so maybe that happened maybe they like they couldn't get their jokes approved or they refused to reveal them or whatever yeah yeah because it just seems like it is a you know it's pretty damn hard to actually hit at it. I mean, again, even with Ricky Jervais, in the room, he didn't, and a lot of the most powerful people in Hollywood, presumably, were like, fuck this guy.

And of course, it didn't matter. He'd already, you know. Well, they gave him a golden globe last night. Right. For best, that's right. It's a brand new category, best stand up on television, and they gave it to him. Best stand up on television? What does that mean? I have no idea. I guess maybe he put a special out. Guess he best special? Yeah, he put a special out that had all of Dave Chappelle's jokes about trans people. I don't know what he did. I love Ricky Jervase's work, but he's, but he He's a, I mean, he's not a great, like, we all agree with that, right?

I'm not crazy for making he's a bad stand-up comic. The last stand-up special I watched of his, there was a huge, huge portion of it was him just going over. Reading tweets. Tweet his own tweets, like, revisiting times where he, like, totally owned some God believer on Twitter or whatever, like, or a hater of his. Was that the one where he would read exchanges he had with people hating on him where he, like, fucking, he, like, I devastated it. He's not saying. nap, but that's what's happening. Was that the special where he did the Jesus'

imagery on the cover? I think so. I don't know if it's on the cover. I love Jervais, though. Like his body of work, like he doesn't have a show that I don't love. And a couple, when he first started doing stand-up and he was doing these like PowerPoint things, dude, one of the hardest I've ever laughed is when he showed this dolphin fucking another dolphin's head.

But like, ever since like, him and Chappelle. But that is funny. Ever since those types of dudes made their specials about. instead of doing jokes, it's about the state of comedy. And all of their specials are just like, here's me checking in on the culture war. I'm just like, I'm just out. And if there, hey, look,

there's some people that really enjoy what Dave and them are doing and more power to them. But like, I would, I prefer to watch Gary Goldman do jokes instead of Gary Goldman. Because Gary Goldman's not going to go up there and go, so cancel this, blah, blah, blah. It's like, oh, just do the fucking jokes. Yeah, ironically, all the gay comics are the least gay.

so yeah so less gay yeah anyway that's who they gave it to dog rickiegervace which is just to me I'm like man there's a disconnect between you because even in the world of I prefer the Chappelle type people don't fuck with Jervais like that

like there's not a section of stand-up fandom I don't think that's like Ricky Jervase is who deserves this award I think right do you know what I mean but people I think people that do fuck with him as a stand-up, I think it's because of, you know, how much they just adore everything

else about him and what he's done. Do you know what I mean? Like, the people that come to the shows, but also I've heard people, I've heard other famous people talk about, like, going to one of his shows or wanting to go to one of his show, his stand-up shows, I mean, and stuff, and it's because, you know, I mean, the dude's... Brilliant. Yeah, brilliant, and people know. I go see him. I just like, to me, it's like

LeBron James won a coaching award. Right. It's like, yeah, okay. Okay, but that's not cool, but what? Give him a word for Duncan. He dunks. If LeBron, like, was coaching, though. But he's not. I know, but, I mean, Ricky does stand up.

Okay. I mean, I haven't seen. I could show a video of Dolphin. There's no way it was the best, though. There's no way what he did was the best stand-up of the year. You know what I mean? Who else was nominated? Do you all know?

Was Shane Gillis nominated? No, I don't think so. Chappelle was. What the hell? To my point, I'm not just trying to be... It was Chris Rock, Sarah Silverman, Wanda Sykes. That Gaffigan presenting, who put out a special this year, was not nominated. Hilarious.

He made a joke about that. Yeah, I saw it. He did dark... He did dark Gaffigan. That was his special this year. Was him doing darker material, by the way. Yeah, he used to... He started out dark and switched when he started having kids.

I haven't watched it yet. I want to... I just want to say to defend myself a little bit, because I am a huge fan of your vase. But I really don't think he's ever done Stanfay's. It's always been more one-man showy. Even Corey's reference, my mom could show two dolphins fucking and get a laugh. At this point, though, just in terms of the time, because I know when he first started, he first started doing stand-up after having already become a star because of the office and everything.

And he had some movies and stuff. And then he started doing stand-up at a very high level because of that. And he was brand new. And in that, you know, every comedian is seen. And if you like comedy at all, if you haven't seen, I recommend that old HBO special, talking funny, which he, uh, he, uh, hosted him and Louis, Chris Rock and Seinfeld, right? And he's like the host and it's Louis, Chris Rock and Seinfeld. And this is years ago. So he's still at this point, he's like, I don't know, two years into stand up and he's with these three guys. And in my opinion,

you can tell. Right. Like, yeah, he got, he got worked. And, and, uh, right, they, he said a bunch of stuff that the rest of them were like, dude, that's way off base. Like in talking about standup. So anyway, but that was fucking 10 plus years ago. And point to me the time period. And, where him being off-base changed when it comes to stand-up. I'm just saying at this point, even given where he started at, which does change things, at this point,

he's had to have been doing it for like 15 years or something, which is longer than I've been doing. It's not longer than I've been doing it for going on 14. Cho's been doing it for 25 because he started at 12. All I'm saying is I've watched a lot of it, and it feels a lot more like Nanette than it does what Patrice used to do. And I think it's okay for us to acknowledge

that those are slightly different forms of art. The one-man show type of it. Somebody made a great, I think it might have been Lori Kilmartin was talking about like, even if Jervais has been doing it 15, 20 years, because when he started doing it, he was already famous, there's no way to develop the skills that you have to develop. Like, you, part of the skills that we develop are born in the fact that we go up and nobody knows who we are and we don't have any grace. You know what I mean?

That's why I'm talking about with Joe Koy. He lost that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. And Jervais never had it. Dude, that might be why he did so good at that one time he did it. Because it was like the one chance for him to like truly be an underdog and fucking bomb in front of people. It doesn't matter.

I like, I fucking love Ricky Jervase. He's awesome. Derek is probably my favorite show of all time. After Death is incredible. Genuinely incredible. Every show he's ever done rules. Yeah. So I just, I want to put that out.

there, but I cannot believe he won that award. The other nominees are, sorry, were Trevor Noah and Amy Schumer. Okay, well, give it to him. I mean, it couldn't have been a more lame section of... No, I don't give a shit. It's hard to, it's not even mainstream, like, no, what is that?

It feels like people that don't, first of all, some of those people who are named fucking... They're all legends. I'm a fan of it, but they're not like the... It ain't the zeitgeist of comedy right now, right? I'm trying to say. It seems like out of touch. It seems like they don't, they're not really actually keeping up with what stand-up is right now.

But what is it the zeitgeist of? Because I bet if you go look at their numbers. These old people that make up this academy. Well, it's not the academy that does the Golden Glove. Whoever the fuck it is, it does a Golden Glove. Hollywood Foreign Press. They're the comedians that are also in movies. Oh, it's foreigners.

Well, there you go. Hollywood Foreign Press. They don't, they're not like, they ain't got your finger on the pulse of the stand-up world at all. Right. They're only nominating comedians. medians who also do television and acting and stuff. They wouldn't have a fucking clue who they are otherwise. A lot of those people probably don't even know who Shane is, I bet.

Like the Harley Foreign Press people, you know. But then, like, was it just his turn? Because I wasn't shocked that he got nominated. Even in that group, I'm like, he won? Right. The first Trevor Noah special, I haven't watched the last two. The first one he put out that got him the daily show was fucking incredible. Yeah.

Dave Chappelle still knows how to tell a joke. I mean, sometimes I think he forgot 20 minutes into his goddamn special. Do you see, even in that, Grawwana Sykes is hilarious. I just, I'm surprised he won. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, no. Well, what are you going to do? Well, it's all politicking, you know what I mean?

Like, who fucking knows? Seems like he don't care about that. But maybe he's pulled the wool over my eyes. I don't know, mate. I did real quick. I played for my sons two stand-up bits, first ones ever. by the way. Okay.

I know that I'm a comedian, but I haven't, you know, obviously I'm fucking, I hope they never say my shit, but they won't. So fucking on the edge of my, like, I want to savor this, I know we got to get out of here, but I, like, I want to predict what it might be. It's Chris Rock. So. No, it's not. I knew it wasn't going to be Chris Rock because they're too young.

Yeah. Oh, Foxworthy. Uh-uh. Headberg? Nope. One of them's already come up, not long ago. The Guy Gaffigan. Jim Gaffigan.

Hot Pockets. Yep. Hot pockets, nice. That's what I would have said. Because Benton was eating a Hot Pocket. And I was like, if I had to tell him before, I was like, because he don't know this, I was like, so they used to have Hot Pocket commercials, right? Yeah.

And the jingle was, like, I like told him that. And I was like, just like I was just telling him something. I was like, hey, by the way, watch this. And then the second one was Brian Regan's school bit. Yeah. Oh, my God. The spelling me? Yeah.

I was going to say Regan. Moosen. Mice! I was going to say Regan, but I was going to say Regan, but I was going to say the baseball one. I got to say that at least from those two, the Reagan one got them more for sure.

Yeah. Because, you know, if they're in school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. Did they love it? Yeah, they loved that. And, you know, they laughed at the Gaffigan one too, but the Reagan one kind of killed. So anyway, that's a, you know. Do you know the one I'm talking about where Regan talks about playing baseball?

The Blue, it's a grape's snow cone. Crape's my favorite. Cherry's my other favorite. Can you do that one for him and report back? to me? Yeah, I definitely want to show them some more. I'm trying to get probably not a whole hour. You think of like a half hour. Also, maybe a Mitch Heard and a half hour. I know he talks about the spelling bee. Is that also the science fair

when? The big yellow one is the sun. I thought so. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah. So funny. Okay, Copernicus. All right. Well, so he's the best. But if you want to see someone who's nowhere near as good, you can come see me. Treycrowder.com. I'll be on the road. I've got Charlottesville, Virginia. coming up, bring you torches, and I'll be in Florida after that, and then a bunch of other places. So, yeah, come see me, try Crowder.com.

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