wellRED podcast - #378 - The 90's Are Back Baby!!!

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

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All right. Love y'all. See you. They're the... They're the... too much but don't give a fun. They're the liberal rednecks that makes

some people upset but they got three big old dicks that you can suck. All right, well, here we are. Here we are. I'm freezing to death, soaking wet. Dude, it sucks out here.

Sucks out here. It sucks out here. You guys are not good you got it out there in the Upper Midwest and stuff in February, because let me tell you, out here, pretty rough. Yeah. If you have friends in SoCal, check on them.

Yeah, it's like 52 degrees, and it's been raining for like 36 hours. We're not doing well. No. No, it's been raining a lot. I guess San Francisco got it way worse than we did, right? They got mudslides and shit up there. God's punishing them. Producer Aaron just told us that a lot of comics from LA are stuck in San Francisco

because they had to cancel a bunch of flights and shit. I don't know. They had that big festival this weekend. Yeah. Maybe flights are canceled here, too. I don't know. I guess surely it'll be better by Thursday. I fly out Thursday.

but it'll definitely be better by Thursday. I fly out Sunday. Well, it don't even seem that bad just walking around. It's just like regular rain. It's just that everything's super dry here so the rain don't, you know. Go right. The rain don't go right. Thank you, exactly.

Plus it just keeps raining for a long time. So everybody handing out sandbags and shit, but I'm in hell. I'm fine. Is there a sandbag area? Well, the city of Burbank, I know, held it handed it. That's so Burbank. For those of you don't know, where it's right? lives, it's not like the poshiest part

of L.A., but it's like the posthiest part of the valley, which is like saying the posthous part of like what? Oak Ridge. Yeah, I don't know about that, but yeah, it's like suburban, suburban Los Angeles. It's very much the suburb. It's not in Beverly Hills or Bel Air or anything like that. No.

But if you live in the valley like I do and you find out that they're handing out sandbags in Burbank, you're like, a fucking of course they are with their perfect little school system. My gym is in Burbank. they closed down today. Right. They sent us an email.

I was like, these soft motherfuckers. I'll tell you what, bro, just a bro out on your gym. I fucking worked out under my back patio thing today with the rain

coming in from the side and like that. Like fucking, well, actually, I kind of wanted to talk about like, if you ever were in terrain at all,

like, you, you were a charmed teenager, weren't you? Like, how angsty were you ever? Because I was angsty as fuck. I used to love to like

just walk, slowly through the rain with my hood up and shit. I didn't do that, but I definitely listened almost exclusively to Pink Floyd. And, like, all my friends would be like, what about this song? I'd be like, fuck, modern music or whatever. No, so it did kind of hit working out outside of the rain. Again, I have a back canopy thing, but like it don't cover the whole back porch area. So it's like still getting wet.

But the smell. If you can get your blood temp up enough to where it hits to be outside in the rain, I love being out in the rain. I've walked my dog three times. But it's not like the sad rain thing. It's like it feels, plus I fucking hate the desert we live in. This is one of my favorite times a year in the valley. Really? Yeah, because we're not actually in a desert because of the precipitation we get every year.

But we get all that in a month. Yes. So it's like being in a desert. And then all of a sudden it's like being in a fucking monsoon. Yeah. It is the rainy season. I mean, I'm not going to say it hits for me, but I'm always like, I have a pap ball response to it every year when it happens.

I'm like, well, we need it. We needed it. Because, I mean, we, you know. Fires. We do. But yeah, but I don't. So I was going to ask if you, so like, another thing I did today while I was raining, listen to music while preparing lunch or whatever.

Not while you were working out. No, that too. And I tried to. So because it was raining and I was working. out outside. Normally I got a workout playlist. It's real broed out type of shit, butt rock and that type of thing. Heavy metal and whatever. Yeah, knife parties on there. Yeah, that type of shit. But because it was raining, I was like, I wonder if I can work out to the National, right? Because like, because just the rain seems to suit the National to me. If y'all don't know, the National's like a depressed white guy's favorite band, basically. The national is Taylor Swift for what? Depressed white guys.

Depressed white guys? Yeah, I think so. Depressed straight white guys. Yeah, so, and that didn't stick at all. But then I started, you know, I started listening to Tool and shit while it was raining, and that also hits in its own way. Then I go inside to make lunch after her, and Katie comes in there, she's like, what's the, why are you listening this?

And it was, it was, at the time, I had the National on the playlist, but also it was just, all like it was Johnny Cash's cover of In My Life or like Ella Fitzgerald's Dream A Little Dream of Me Really uh just like It's almost cinematic Yeah and like Saw it's not upbeat

No right And Katie was like why are you listening to this? I was like The fucking look outside Kind of Cohen brothers And she was like You had a Cohen brothers thing going on But her take on that was like Yeah that's why you shouldn't be listening to this

Yeah there's two different kinds of people Okay, right, because I was like, that makes no sense. I was like, it's raining. You listen to rainy music. It makes it hit harder. It's just like, no, it makes it more depressing than it should be. When it's rainy, you listen to, I mean, she always listens to fucking, you know, dance hall and fucking, you know, Cardi B and whatever the hell else.

So there's studies on this, and you're both right. Apparently, listening to sad music, now this isn't going to do with the weather, but I think it's analogous. If you're sad, listening to sad songs is cathartic and will make you feel better. But listening to happy music will change your mood also. So you're both correct. Right. It really is just like a, like you're not crazy for doing that, but I understand why she thought that. But I just don't want to get fucking upbeat and raved out. And it looks like this outside. Yeah, that just don't make no sense to me. Yeah. You don't want to fucking party. You know, you want to be morose. I do like partying at home. Okay. Or I did during the pandemic.

Like we do that a couple of times. It's like we got nothing else to do. Let's party in this house. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure, but we ain't going to do that either way. No, you get kids. I'll tell you another one that went hard on that playlist for me, really hit the spot today. Long December by Counten Crows.

It was the last time you heard that. Counten Crows, a month ago, maybe. I love Counting Crows, yeah, but I had a round here is my go-to when I want to hear Counting Crows. Which one do you talk about one more day up in the canyon? It's very L.A. One more night up in Hollywood. That's Long December. I listen to that once a month.

If you think you want to move to California, I think you should. Na, nah, nah, nah. I listen to that all the time. That's my sad in L.A. song. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

We should try to pull up his stats. Oh, Adam Derwitz. Buddy. Yeah. First of all, Derwitt, is he a mixed race Jewish guy, like half Jew and half black? I think he's just Jewish, but had dreadlocks. What? I could be wrong.

Hold on. All right. I got to look that up. Correct. Really? Holy shit. He is just Jewish and those dreadlocks are not real. Wow.

Those are, uh... Like a hairpiece? Extensions. Extensions, exactly. Jennifer Aniston. I'm about saying he was pulling it off in the fucking 90s, dude. Oh my God. He's just straight up Jewish.

Wait, did he do Jennifer Anderson and Courtney Cox or did I confuse the friends girls? Is it just Courtney Cox? I know... Courtney Cox is in the video for Long December. but I believe But he dated JA. I believe he got them both.

Oh, you got him both? Yeah, dude, he had some killer. He had a run for sure, no doubt about it. You know, he's still out there and the TikTok kids are starting to love him.

The TikTok kids are getting into anything kind of sweet and easy to listen to, you know, because they have no hope and their country's falling apart. Right.

Counting Crows is on the list. Nineties country and Counting Gros. Man, the bar, so what's weird in the 90s, In the 90s, in the 90s you couldn't really be, until Eminem came along, set for a couple, obviously the Beastie Boys, House of Pain, whatever. But the general consensus was like, you couldn't be just a white person who was a rapper, right? You couldn't even be, and then Eminem was the Jackie Robinson of white rappers or whatever in the late 90s.

Or the Elvis Presley, if you will. And I, uh, nowadays, you'll just see regular white dudes like our buddy DJ sent us a rapper the other day who looks like our first. friend Brent Terhune who looks like he stormed the Capitol, right? Like, even though Brent's not like that, but he's, you know, he's got a long red beard and fucking wears Oakley's some shit or whatever. DJ said it's a guy, that type of cracker. I've listened to a dude before. I can't remember his name.

Chandler. Chandler. Chandler is his name. He was rapping. Another one of the friends. Oh, yeah. That's true. Who, Dura, what's fucked?

Yeah, probably. He used to get wild, rest in peace. Anyway, I've always kind of marveled how you could just be a white rapper nowadays. I wish I'd have known that. Not saying I would have hit at it, but it's like, you know, I just, it just was not. It wasn't an option. An option, right? Now it just is, which is cool.

But, like, ironically, in the 90s, you could just be a white guy who put on dreadlocks and that hit for everybody just fine and no one questioned it. He wasn't really in the 90s, but another guy I found out recently it's like, who's just white is a you remember citizen cope yeah I think I was white I was saying he fooled you well I never like he just but his whole and then there's uh there's another dude too you know it ain't easy there's another guy uh who gee love and special sauce yeah right he's white too right yeah he's super white he's literally jack johnson white like jack johnson discovered him. Right. So I'm just, there's just all these white dudes who I think are kind of wild in retrospect. Yeah. Ben Harper did a lot for that crew. But Ben Harper, he's black.

Yeah, I'm saying he like, like that crew was, I think it's not on Per. I don't think that was like that goal, but I'm just saying he was hanging out with Jack Johnson and G. Love and they were making goofy white boy music. And I think, because Ben Harper is deeply talented as a musician. Yeah. Like his music, if you went to his shows, it was a lot of white people there. I'll give you that. But like, he played with some blues musicians who don't play with people who can't fucking play. Right. The guy could wail on that laptop steel thing he had going on. Man, I had no idea Adam Duritz was just a just a straight up regular Jewish guy. Regular Jew? Well, I'd tell you what, he was really on to something because he really captured the

zeitguise of the 90s. Like, he was soaking panties coast to coast and hitting for, I don't know, maybe, you know, queer guys like me and you. I don't know if, I don't know if like, Thompson and Brian or whatever I think the County Crows were Unilevernerable dude They were headliners Thompson definitely fucked with the county crows Yeah I think they were headliners man

I think they got up to arenas briefly Yeah International sellout tour types of shit They were super famous I mean that's how he got those folks You know fucking T-Bone of course

My good close personal friend T-Bronet He At least it helped to Or if not fully produced their albums too in the 90s. Yeah, it all makes sense. You hear something like that and you're like, what?

And then you're like, yeah, that checks out. Yeah. I mean, he's just so wild. He's super talented. They've got so much money. Anyway, the sweet spot, that's what I want to talk about. There's like definitely times in many areas where you're getting away with a thing

that's about to go away, dreadlocks. But then you're also doing the thing that's next. Mark, Sugar Ray? McGrath? Dude. Sugar gay? Also is that?

No, no. Yes, now. Dude, he was cute. I know. That guy, yeah. Yeah, there was a video of some kid calling him Sugar Gay and he gets real pissed off and always cracks me up to think. He had like a black DJ in his band to like remix his songs. He was one of the first ones that was doing that.

You know what I mean? Like it was like the limp biscuit thing crossed over with pop. Like now you would see that coming from a mile away. Even a 17 year old would just be like, nah, come on. Right. This is corny. This is clearly made in a lab. But if you can be the first one made in the lab and then kind of get it right before

anyone else, before people kind of catch on, this is a cheesy derivative thing. I just think Mark McGrath is the artist of the 90s. The late 90s, I've always felt that. He's always felt that. Pre-9-11. Pre-9-11. This is who we were. The spiky hair.

Mountain Dew. Mountain Dew. Got to have a black guy in the band. Yeah. This was later than the 90s, but that guy were talking about early Chandler, which, by the way, our friend, I wouldn't know he was of DJ Atten sent him to us, and I don't know how huge he is. He does it. He's pretty big. The guy like that now is Young Gravy. Oh, yeah, Young Gravy. I know he's a big deal because the widest friend I have loves Young Gravy. He is Mark McGrath. He sucks with Young Gravy. And I mean that in every positive and horrible way. I mean to say something positive about him and insult him. So the Chandler guy, though, I was so fascinated when DJ sent him to us because I was like, they got rappers like this now. Again, no offense to this guy. He is talented or whatever.

It just always kind of blows my mind because I'm just like, it just ain't from my era of rap. I just can't believe people out here getting away with rapping, you know, looking like that or being like that. I mean, again, no offense to. He's just very white. That's all I'm trying to say. But anyway, so I looked him up and I read an interview with him because I was immediately fascinating. He said he was inspired to start rapping by a cowboy Troy. Do you remember Cowboy Troy?

Because you brought up the only black guy in the band. Yeah. Big and rich, right, from the 2000s, the era of butt rock, the country equivalent of butt rock, big and rich. They were crushing at that time. Save a horse ride a cowboy. Yeah. They had more than that, too. They went on a run there.

But I can't run. I'm pretty sure our buddy Earl fucks with them at least a little bit. Took her out, digging frogs, introduced her to my old bird dog, and we made love! And the guy who wrote that line is gay. In real life.

Big. Rich. Now, Rich. Okay. I assume the tall one is big. I think so, yeah. Because they got a whole irony thing going on. But so big is gay because Rich is like maggot out.

Oh, and they don't fuck with each other anymore. Alt. What's Cowboy Troy up to? Anyway, they had a black guy in the band, Cowboy Troy, Black Cowboy, just to round things out. I'd like to watch the 30 for 30 on this, dude. Yeah, me too. I mean...

Yeah, Big Kenny came out. Alt. And they tried to, like, brand it, and it didn't hit for their fans, and then they split up. Dude, John Rich is a huge piece of shit. That's true. Breaking news. Right.

I mean, I know he's super maggie. I think... But that's because it's working. He tried to do the whole, like, peace and love thing, and it didn't work. I'm pretty sure I've pissed him off online before. I mean, I'm meaning like... I think he's like shared one of my videos and called me a massive queer or something like that and talked shit before, at least once, I think. But I could be wrong.

Well, I bet you hit for Big Kenny. Yeah. Yeah, and maybe Cowboy Troy. But anyway, I... You sure it wasn't Pastor Troy? No, dude, it was Cowboy Troy. In the interview anyways, Cowboy Troy, Pastor Troy, he hit fucking... You a lie ho.

Vasa. And you die ho. Mass versa. That song went hard. Wasn't he on that? Still a bitch in my book? Didn't he have a verse on that? I don't know.

That whole Lil Troy album you're talking about. That's Lil Troy. Yeah, right. Oh, my bad. I get my Troy's needs. But see, but Lil Troy, who had that album sitting fat down south. Yep. Which I got from a BMG, BMG, I almost said BMG for some reason.

BMG. Yeah. We'll send you 14 CDs for one penny. Yeah. And then after that, we'll send you one for $39.99 unless you tell us not to. And you're 14 and stupid. So this is going to work out for us, that whole thing. Yep, I did that.

I got sitting fat down south from them, because it had want to be a bala on it, which was a timeless. Timeless classic. Yeah, shortstop records, Houston, Texas, I believe. Anyway, little Troy, you know, when I heard Little Troy won't be a baller, I thought it was just, I still kind of don't know exactly what Little Troy, like if he was like a production, like a Funkmaster Flex type situation, because you listen to that album, you pay attention to want to be a baller, and it's all. features. It's all collaborative. It's all ensemble shit. I have no idea which one is actually little...

Yeah, he's like DJ drama. Which one's actually little Troy, right? I have no idea... I confused him with Pastor Troy, so clearly I don't know. I have no idea the names of the other guys on the songs. I have no idea who's on. Still a bitch in my book, which, by the way, beat Lil Nas X to the finish line by 15 years or whatever. Country rap's what he's saying, folks. That is what I'm saying, but that's a bit of a deep cut. For people who don't know, you can look it up still. It's not talking about being gay and fighting the devil. No, that been going on for ages. Little Troy, still a bitch, is a straight-up country song by a bunch of rappers, in my opinion, and I used to love it. Made her at a gas, a bar.

A bar outside a little part of Texas. Yeah. Never thought she's sleeping around on me. Yeah. But it's rappers singing it. It's also another example of that. You a lie-ho, and you die-ho. Yeah.

You lie-ho, something cry-ho. I hope you die-ho, because you still a bitch in my book. Misleading instead of treated I kill you You know you a bitch by book Yeah my brother had that I was like I was probably 11

Just taking that in To my brain Loved it Speaking of a little nice action country rap Also we may have talked about this before When he was more When he had first come up and everything

But Fucking one of my sisters All-time favorite songs was Ghetto Cowboy Yep By Mo Thug which Mo Thugs was like a spinoff of bone thugs with some different people. It's like a side project of bone thugs.

But Mo Thugs, ghetto cowboy, which is also... It's awesome, but it's just kind of straight up. It's like, fucking, I don't know if little whites in it, is there a white guy in it? There's one white guy on that I think, because I remember the music video. But yeah, they just, it's like a Western song. It's a rap about being cowboys. Yeah, but like old-timey Western Jesse James Cowboys. It rules.

But a rap song, yeah. awesome. Yeah. Fucking. And we've just done the 90s today. Yeah. We can keep going, I guess. Buddy, I'm all about the 90s.

There was one thing I wanted to talk about, but we can say that. I mean, no, we'll probably need to get to it, I imagine. Oh, we run out of time? Not even remotely close. No, I'm saying the opposite. Oh. We might run out of 90s stuff in a minute. Were you about to say something in 90s related?

Well, I have been thinking about the 90s a lot lately because the fashion's back. Oh, I thought you're just getting older or whatever. Also that. a child and stuff. My kid doesn't make me think about the 90s. Yeah. The fashion is back. Yeah.

Like Jinkos? We're not quite to Jinkos, but we're getting there. The pants are getting wider. You know how girls used to dress like brat dolls? Yes. I guess I guess they model Braddoll. I know exactly what you mean. That's super back.

Cargo pants are back. Chunky shoes. I don't know enough about fashion and talk intelligently about it, but it's like a, is it a halter top or something? It's got a weird sort of shape to it and like some sort of like flasker. Flared out jeans. Flaired out jeans are back. I think you're talking about a type of cropped top.

Yeah. Crop top. But I could see it in my head. Every girl in my high school had that same. They also apparently think Nirvana is a fashion brand a lot of them. Yeah. Because they wear Nirvana. My son's got a Nirvana shirt.

Hell yeah. He kind of knows who they are, sort of. And rules. Sort of. Not really. But like he wears it and he has long hair and stuff. He looks like he thinks Durvana's cool, but he, you know, he don't really know. They're calling stuff.

and they're saying midget again? Well, that's fun. It's fun that that's coming back. Yeah. I don't know how people, I don't know if people are okay with it. But the thing about kids, they don't care. No.

Yeah. I mean, everything's cyclical, I guess. They're not a 90s band. They're a 2000s band, but like, speaking of my sons of the music they listen to, your fuck would rise against? A little bit. But a lot of that emo stuff skipped me.

I wouldn't call them emo, personally. Well, maybe I get them against me confused. I think I get them in against me. Against me is different. Does Rise Against have that song? You're a liberal, babe. I'm an anarchist. That's against me.

I'm an anarchist. No, is it I'm, baby, you're an anarchist. I'm a spineless liberal. We held hands together and walked through the streets of Seattle, but when it came time to throw bricks through that Starbucks window, you left me all along. Baby I'm an anarchist. He's the hero.

Maybe I'm an amicus, you're a spineless liberal. Yeah, that's against me for sure. Okay. Rise against, though, they're also pretty political and like an eat to rich kind of way, but they're, uh, they're melodic punk or melodic hardcore. Okay. Uh, I like that's the only kind of punk I like. Me too.

I don't, yeah, I don't really fuck with, I don't, yeah, I don't really fuck with punk. It's just like metal for me. The melodic part is super important, which like metal heads or punk, actual punks, they think that's like, like, we're the normies of, you know what I mean? They're like, of course you need that. Yeah, but like, but I just do. Like, I need the fucking... It's music. Right, yeah, exactly.

I need the melodic. Every metal band I listened to is melodic and rise against as a melodic punk band. Anyway, my son... My son, who last year, because he uses my Spotify, he put me, my Spotify account, into the top 1% of Imagine Dragons listeners worldwide. And I texted y'all when rapped came out and I was like, this shit's not public, is it? Like, I really don't want people to be able to see this. It's just don't for me.

God, they're the worst, man. I almost went and got him. I almost paid for him his own profile because I was like, I can't handle this shit. You know they self-identifies as an indie band? Sorry, go ahead. All I was going to say is he's been fucking with Imagine Dragon and shit like that for a long time.

He just recently, of his own accord, somehow independently, found Rise Against and now he loves Rise Against. And not just one song, like a bunch of their shit. And it's just really hitting for me. Because they're one of my favorite bands and I didn't introduce him to them. He just found them.

How did he find him? TikTok? No, he'll put stuff on my Spotify on Alexa and his room or whatever, and then he'll request a song, and then she'll play different songs after that. And if he's like, oh, this hits from me, he's like, Alexa, what is this? And she'll tell him. And then he remembers, and then he found Rise Against, and then through that he found more Rise Against songs,

and now he just likes a bunch of them. I hope he starts a band and has a lyric that says something like Alexa taught me about Rise Against. Yeah. I think that's fun reference. Yeah, they got a pretty good. But they got a song, I think, would hit for you called Re-Eeducation Through Labor. I know that song. I knew I knew that band.

We crawl on our knees for you under us. It's all about, like I said, it's an eat-the-rich kind of jam. Anyway. But they didn't do the... That's against me. That's crazy to me. Yeah. That's why I always get them confused.

Not just the name of the band, also the song. They're progressive. Yeah, shit. But what? Imagine Dragons. What? They identify as an indie band. I mean, it's 24, you can identify as where I'm watching.

I know, it's gone too far. This is where I draw the line. What does indie mean anymore? I don't. Is it now a genre, so it doesn't matter if you were created by the label in a lab? Were they, I have no idea. Did they start out not signed when they popped and then they've never signed with a big label just to keep indie status so they could say that or something? I don't, I have no idea.

I don't know either. It just was like a wild thing for me to hear. Maybe it's completely true. Yeah. You know, you're this little indie band, Imagine Dragon. Speaking of 90s coming back in 2000s, our buddy Tony Camel, I brought the hat and then it was cold and I wore this and I left it in the car. I brought his hat to wear.

Tony Campbell went super viral on TikTok with a banjo cover of Is It I Will Buy You a Garden? It's one of the Everclear songs. I think it's I Will Buy You a Garden. I will buy you a new live? Yeah. Is that the name of the song? That's definitely a lyric in the song. buy you a new life perfect shiny and boom yeah yeah i had that album too yeah that album ruled that guy rules

yeah i had a father of mine on it and it might have been father of mine that he did i can't remember because i get them all confused because they have like a similar thing but do you know about that guy i don't know anything about him i used to fuck with everclear the band yeah so he um he was abused his brother and him like went out on their own they were in foster care for a while because of the abused and they went out on their own. His brother died of a heroin overdose. He moved in with his first girlfriend. Didn't she kill herself?

With heroin? I don't, I think she, like, know something a little bit more violent. Because no wonder his guy was big in the 90s. Right. Musically. Well, then he, like, he was a fucking junkie. And then he kicked all that and did music

kind of on a whim. And blew up, not like overnight, but like, do you know what I mean? yeah, here's a little hobby while I'm tending bar or getting my life together or whatever. And then the next thing you know, Everclear is one of the biggest bands from that era. What is it about music that makes that possible

where it's not in a lot of other feet? I mean, it is also in acting, because in acting you need ingenues, you need child actors and young people. A lot of times child actors don't really hit the opening comedy. You almost can't do it. I feel like as a writer or, like, director and shit like that, you can't really do it either.

But in music, you can like, that shit happens. Fucking OASIS is one of the biggest bands of the 90s and also of all time. And if you watch that documentary of theirs, it's like they had both kind of been fucking with music a little bit, the brothers, like, separately. And then Noel or Liam one was like, hey, let's take my approval in, you know, whatever. Well, one of them is a musical genius. One of them, Liam sings, right, and Noel writes the lyrics. Yeah, but I think Noel brought Liam into his band to sing.

Yeah, he's not a great singer. And that, and they were like, well, but you Oasis, right? And then they got like a gig, like their first one. Yeah. And drove to it. And there's some record person there who like signed them in like six months later they're the biggest band on earth or something just after, you know, that shit is wild. I was reading last night about the day the music died, right?

Fucking Richie Valens. La la la la. He was 17 when he died in that plane crash. He had only like gotten noticed musically eight months before that. And it was like massive already. And then, of course, got immortalized by that accident and stuff. But. To catch you tune.

It's just wild. I think that there. The music is wild like that. Well, I think there's like. Lil Wayne's like our age, dude. He's been famous since we were in seventh grade. Because he started rapping when he was 13. Right.

He's like a couple years older enough. He started rapping when he was 13. Then he had one line that he repeated when he was 14. But he didn't blow up until he was 18. I think every example you brought up has. Probably a separate explanation, but the umbrella of all of them to me is that music is a much more older art form. Like the guy from Everclear, my guess is he knew how to play music. He just hadn't done it in any type of pursuit sort of way.

But also young people know how to speak to other young people, right? That's part of it too, right? Yeah, sure. Yeah. But it's like, because music is so old, it's like, well, why can't young people make movies for young people? Well, because we've been making movies for 70 years, and it's a different process. And I think making a movie is way, way, way harder than making one song. One song, for sure.

And then on top of that, like with some of the examples you said, the La Bamba one really comes to mind. I'd say somebody else helped him write that. And then definitely other musicians. Apparently it was a rock and rollified version of an old Mexican folk song. So like, things exist, and then they put the kid in front of it with La Bamba. Well, why is that the case? because it's a very, very old art form human has been doing forever. Noel Gallagher, I think, like, grew up playing music, listening to music, and he had it in him.

How is that possible? Because it's a very, very old art form humans have been doing forever. Do you see what I'm saying? I think that's the explanation underneath all the explanations, is that we have funneled as human beings that art form down to somewhat of a science. Now, does that mean that everybody who's 17 writes a catchy song? is going to blow up. Right. No. I was about to say, by that same token, though, what also does happen, I guess, just because their music is so rad and there's so many hitting musicians out there, that we personally know multiple people who are insanely talented, who have,

you know, been doing it for a long time and haven't broken through or whatever. It's got to, again, it very rarely happens in comedy. I mean, even like Matt Rife was like 10 years in or something wasn't he? Like, Eddie Murphy's the youngest one I've ever heard of. And I'm saying about for musicians, does it fucking drive them crazy? Or how do you think they feel about that? Because, again, we don't really have to deal with that. But that was the case when they started too. Like when they started at 17, that was already happening.

Yeah. And then they did not become one of those 17-year-olds. So they didn't want to, I'm sure. And then now they're 35. They've been hitting this whole time. And then an 18-year-old writes one song and now they're the biggest shit in the genre that they work in. I don't know. How often does it happen in the genre that they work in, though?

Or are you thinking of just our friends right now? because I was meaning. I guess I'm thinking anybody because if you're like 45 and you've never popped as a pop star, you already are out. Yes. So like the fact that the 17 year old popped

doesn't matter. I mean it matters. Right. There's a different thing you're already upset about the fact that you just didn't make it. But there's like there's the whole machine of industry behind that. And by the way, the one analogy

that has been around a long fucking time and it does happen is acting. Charlie Staring, a guy discovered her yelling at a fucking ATM because it like ate her card or whatever. Right. Like that does happen. That's true.

And I think it is also because that's a very old, it's something about like culturally we know how to look, right? Sure. But that's part of it. Culturally, we know how to make this a hit. Yeah. No one knows how to do comedy but comedians. They'll figure it out though.

I promise. Tofer Grace. You don't happen with Tofer Grace? Yeah. Fucking exec so I'm going to play. Yeah, we talked about it on here before, haven't we, I think. I think so. A high school play.

He did a high school play at a fancy kids college. He went to, like, a prep school in Connecticut, not L.A. And not in New York, Connecticut. Like a prep school in Connecticut, he did a high school play. Some big-time Hollywood producer had a niece or something who went to that same fancy Connecticut prep school because he was originally from New York or something. He was in town, went to his niece's place, saw that kid and was like, hey, they're making this sitcom, I think you'd be good for.

and he does come in and read for it but then he gets on you nailed it that 70 show yeah like shit is wild dude and i think a similar thing happened with ashton kutcher he got found he got seen in fucking iowa or somewhere and was like you're pretty put on his underwear and let's take pictures of you and then he did that for a bit but then moved out to l a laa and book the second or first thing he auditioned for right which is that 70 show and that milacunas was like 15 and that arguably is it happening in comedy that's acting, but that's a comedic role.

That's true. Yeah, that's a good point. So, I mean, it does happen, I think. It's just like, we go, oh, well, they can't do what we do. They don't do stand-up. I think that's what musicians say. They're like, oh, fucking, you know, whoever, Bieber, when he was 15, he can sing, but whatever. Right. Now Bieber's one of the biggest acts of all time. Yeah. Yeah, but they're like, you know, Zach Bryan, he hits for us both, right? Yeah, very hard. Correct, if I'm wrong, he had that one video of himself singing by, a campfire, right?

Headed south. Headed south. I knew it was either that or flying or crying, but it was headed south. Yes, he's singing headed south by a campfire like at night time. So the fire's flickering off his face. He's sweating like a fucking hog, and he's playing his guitar and singing this song, and it went viral like all over the place. Yes.

Obviously he was a gift of musician when that happened. Well, that song was about him going to open for Tyler, who wasn't quite as big as he is now in Kentucky. So he had already been on YouTube Going tiny viral Does that make sense? Like with some other songs Right

So it was like here's a guy who has like six songs on YouTube That are doing well enough for Tyler to notice him Yeah Someone to be like Tyler you should check this out This kid kind of sounds like you and him to be like Fuck it, let him open for me He wrote a song about that Right

And then that Yeah Went mega viral Yeah Brian told me that If none of that's true blame Brian I mean sounds good to me I'll buy it.

He was 24-ish. Right. Which is still young. Yeah. But he's probably been playing guitar since he was 15. Yeah. Right. That's true.

And I think with TikTok, you're going to see it more in comedy, too. There's some genuinely funny, like, 16 and 17-year-olds out there. There's a whole lot of people, though, that don't, and I don't blame them. Don't give me wrong. Don't misinterpret this. I feel like a whole lot of them, they don't fuck with, like, stand-up or nothing. No. Well, dude, but Adam Sandler was 21 when he was on SNL.

I kind of get why, I don't, except for, the thing is, as we know personally, like you make that hit real hard, you need to have some kind of show or something. You can do live in front of people, because that's how you're going to make money. I mean, you can make money on the internet too, but like you leave a lot of money on the table

if you're not performing live in front of people, which is the only place I think they're fucking up. In terms of just like wanting to do it or whatever, it's like if you're just really, really good at being funny on the internet, and you're like, I'm getting on stage in front of a bunch of people or whatnot, I'm certainly not going to argue with any of them. Of course not. We need the weekend.

Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah, I'm not trying to, yeah, widen the pool up anymore. Honestly, the more I'm thinking about this, we are the only one that it's really, really hard to pop when you're super young. Yeah. I think it has to do with, like, who's interested in what you're saying. Exactly. I think so, too.

People don't want to, you come up through clubs and shit like that. And, like, people don't want to laugh at some snot-nose little shit. Like. Dane Cook's the closest I can think of. You know, it's just not a thing. Well, you have to be, to pop young, you have to be four young people. Like Bo Bairdham. He was, but again, him, he was doing music.

He was doing music, right? Yeah, he's brilliant and has been doing stand up for years now. It will happen. Pete Davidson came close. Eddie Murphy came pretty close. Dane Cook was older but looked young and was talking about what we were interested. I mean, dude, I was a fucking freshman in college. I thought he was awesome.

I love Day Cook. Man, he was like. First time you get a blowjob, she makes it and he's like, I think I'm going to, I'm about the. And she goes, oh, huh. Uh, get back in the fiery water. Yeah, I always love Dane Cook, but... Get the jelly twat. Thanks, man.

I forgot about that one. Fucking, uh, what was I going to say, but, oh, just that we were talking about that era earlier, dude, that era, man. The 90s. Fuck it. Well, that was, again, that was 2000s. Yeah, yeah, that late 90s. Late 90s, early 2000s molded together.

And especially, I feel like 9-11, you said pre-9-11. I think 9-11 pushed it into this. Dane Cook was like 2004. four, 2003, 2004, five-ish. I think three, because it was right around the time I graduated in high school. Yeah. And anyway, but it was like, fucking, everything was just so goddamn broie, dog. Like, Dan Cook, Nickelback.

Yeah, you're right. It might have been post-9-11. I think 9-11. Yeah, right. We've tried to fucking bro-out. He's got damn, you know. I think bro-in-out's back. Terrorists think they could take us out or whatever, so that's fucking.

We talked about Shane Gillis last week. We talked about, you know, masculinity, Andrew. rotate all that. I think bro-and-out's back because... Good. I'm ready for it. Because there was an anti-brow movement because of all the, you know, bullshit that comes with being a bro.

I was broed out hard, man. But, yeah, Spike TV, Axe Body Spray, Monster Energy Drink, you know, fucking Dan Cook, Nickelback. Keep going on hard. The hair styles. The fucking tribal tattoos. Tribal tattoos. Affliction T-shirts.

The Rise of UFC. Joe Rogan. Right? Like, you have seen Joe Rogan having at the same time. Like, you know, it was just, it was a very broy time to be alive. God, I hated it too. I loved it. But, you know, it's also just when I was 20-something.

I've been listening to a lot of my old butt rock lately, too. That's what's going on here. You know, butt-rocking? I have, yeah. Fucking theory of a dead man and shit. I didn't fuck with hardly any of that. I like, I don't know. I don't know how you didn't.

Like, I don't know how you avoided it. First of all, in my heart, please understand. I loved it. In my heart, what I am first and foremost is a contrarious. in. Yeah. Second of all, a lot of it is bad. Like, it is.

Like, it's catchy, but it's bad. Yeah. You know. Three doors down, dog. I like three doors down a lot. I said I like three doors down. Yeah. Don't get it twisted.

Your boy would bro out. But I just hated a lot of that. But also, and I think we talked about this last week, I became funny in a locker room. I was good at all of that. Like, for lack of a better way to phrase it, I was good at sports. I was good at chicks. I was funny in the locker. but I hated it.

It just, none of it was mean. There wasn't, I couldn't figure out what the other options were because I grew up in a fucking middle of nowhere town, you know, and I didn't want to be uncool or whatever. What were you listening to at that point in high school? Literally exclusively Pink Floyd. Okay. And the Rolling Stones. What about?

What about college? Rap? It became outcast, like ludicrous and shit. Okay. Ludicrous a little, but I'm a little older than you. Ludacris was in high school. I like Ludacris. It was outcast, Kanye West.

And then I did get into that Ben Harper stuff. Yeah. That was the soft boy stuff. It was kind of half-jam bandy stuff. I liked Jack Johnson. Yeah. I liked Jack Johnson a lot. I snuck backstage to try and meet Jack Johnson and got kicked out.

You ever been cool enough to get kicked out of a concert for breaking numerous rules, but it was for Jack Johnson? That probably sums me up in a way that I don't like. Yeah, that is funny. Yeah. It's pretty pretty on the nose. No, I loved all that shit, dude. We said three doors down, but like three days. Day's Grace.

Hander. Didn't like it. Didn't like it. All that shit. Chevelle, I didn't like Chevelle. No, dude. I like them okay now. Did not like them in.

Send the pain below. Those songs go hard. I believe you don't like Chevelle. What's the fucking, I know, the breakdown. Everything's going to shake down someday. Is that a... Mudvane? Tantric.

Tantric. Tantric. Tantric. Muddain and Tantric. Mudvane was Digg. Barry me. I liked Rob Zombie. That song went hard.

I loved Rob Zamb. actually. Yeah. Dig is still on my workout playlist. Dude, Rob Zombie ruled. Oh, Rob Zombie.

Yeah, fucking Dragula, Super Beast. That was some good shit. Dude, I just saw the time 214 and it reminded me and I've forgotten to do this. I have a new show. I think I'm replacing

somebody who dropped out. Raleigh, North Carolina, February 14th, 214. That's what made me think of it. That's a week from the day this episode comes out. February 14th, Valentine's Day.

I'm at the Raleigh Improv. You can get tickets. at the Raleigh Improv.com or on my website. Sorry. I just literally was like, 2.14. What did me think of? That does hit, yeah. Oh, man, I can't believe you didn't like that shit.

I like some of it, but I didn't like how it was the thing. I was, like, back then it was that and rap, and I was squarely in the rap camp. If we're, like, at a party or we're just hanging out, I don't know if I'm expressing what I'm trying to say. I'm talking about, I guess, culture or, like, mainstream stuff. You're hanging out with the dudes in the locker room. All the fucking Cedar Bros. I fucking hated them.

God, I hated Cedar Bros. Like, all the Cedar Bros were the fucking worst version of the worst. You know, like, my experience in college was like half hanging out with theater kids. And then half, like, going and hanging out with the football team. What about Shined Down? Stared down the barrel of the 45. I thought it was fucking. Jacksonville's finest, baby.

Undenivably enjoyable and just like such a dumb song. Staring down the barrel. Roll over 45, 45. Love it. Listen to it yesterday. And then they covered Simpleman. Yes. And I was like, fuck.

I didn't care for that. No. I love Shondown, but I didn't care for them covering Simple Man. But, but yeah, no, I love, you know fucking. Remember we've talked about this before? I wanted one of those leather straps. Yeah. Those popular back then, the big of thick arm bands.

And I hated everyone who had one. Right. But, fuck, what's the, I don't think it's breakdown. Fuel is my shit. Love fuel. I love fuel. It wasn't breakdown. It wasn't tantric.

It wasn't, and it's not tonic. Puttled a mud. No, it's fucking, I'm, I'll have it in just a second, but they, the lead singer of them got into, like, a Twitter beef with Corey and was, like, tweeting at him, like, oink, oink, little piggy and all this shit. Stained, wasn't that, Aaron? No, no, no, but, fucking. Oink, oink, oink, little piggy.

Biggie. Headstrong. Trapped. Trapped. Trapped. Headstrong. I'll take you on. Headstrong to take on anyone.

It's funny. Listen to that song and imagine he's singing too, Corey, because it kind of sounds like he's talking to his haters or whatever. We've discussed what I'm about to discuss on here before, but this highlights exactly how I feel and felt about all that. Buck Terry was meant to be satire. Yeah. And their fans didn't know that. Absolutely. No idea.

That was me sitting in a locker room all the time. I don't even know they're making fun of you. Right. Whatever. So it wasn't that I hated all of it. I loved fuel. I've seen fuel like four times live. I just hated it being, I kind of still feel this way about, like, the Rogan stuff.

I listen to Rogan when there's guests on that I like, but I don't like that that is considered the height of comedy now. You know what I mean? Right. Like by mainstream America or mainstream bro America. I just, I can't fuck with bros. I just can't. Yeah. They make me sick, dude.

it's pathetic it's so it's pathetic how easy it is to get them to like me I beat them at the sport that they adore and then I make fun of them and then now I'm their they literally called me liberal faggot we've said this before sorry you can beat me out that's literally what they called me

in college football but they love me I was their friend they thought and some of them they were my friend but I just I didn't respect it yeah it's so fake you didn't have a pukeshell necklace probably I said I like getting pussy

Right. I wish I could make my mustache fall out right now. Yeah, I wasn't like... Make the chin strap come back. Yeah, I want to be clear. I wasn't like, I didn't like rock a free Palestine patch my sophomore year and say, fuck all these jocks. It was just more like, I didn't know there was another thing. I was like, this is all there is.

I grew up in the rural South, and then I went and played football at a tiny school, and I was like, I guess this is what men are like. Yeah. Right. And it was so easy to trick him. Yeah. Literally, it was like, that guy's fast, so he must be cool, regardless of the fact that I believed the opposite of everything they believed.

Right. Yeah. Man, I don't know. That's funny. I mean, I feel like, you know, it's definitely hitting close to home over here. Except that you're talking about all the butt. The dude you're on the football team and stuff. Some of them, yeah.

For me, it was a, you know, sort of a fraternity thing. Yeah, right. I'm sure that was way better. No, I'm not saying it was better. I'm saying you keep talking about like this guy. Guys who failed to make it to the college football team. Yeah, right. Yes.

But I remember I also would hang out and get drunk with the football players. And obviously, you're nothing like this. And maybe this is, no, I know it's not just at tech. It's worse than a defense school. Whatever you're about to say. I just could not believe how dumb most of these motherfuckers were. And it wasn't most. Because I'm telling you, a lot of, frat bros are dushy and whatever else, but they're not, like, stupid.

I mean, a couple of them are stupid, but I'm saying, like, a lot of them are fucking engineers and fucking shit like that. now. Right. Or financial managers and stuff like that. Like, they're not, they're not meathead dumb asses. They're bankers. They're evil. Right.

Yeah. Right. Like, I'm saying. But they're, but the, the, the football guys, though, my God, dog. Like, I couldn't even hardly, like, talk to them. I felt like, they did both like a lot of the same shit. Yeah. But I'm just saying they were, they were, it is two different things in my experience.

That makes sense to me. I will say that, I mean, Marville is. kind of a hard school, kind of a hard school to get into. One of my best friends in the world still I play football with. My roommate is like a principal now, or maybe went to the, what's the board side of things? And he played football. What I'm saying is it wasn't just meatheads. But in some ways that was worse.

There's one guy in particular, not a friend of mine, who I couldn't stand, who's a fucking doctor now. He's one of the worst people I've ever known. What kind of doctor do you know? I don't know. Okay. I hope he's dead. I hope he's a dead doctor. But like, he loved all of that.

Do you know what I mean? He was smart enough to know what it was, and that's why it hit for him. Yeah. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, sitting around talking about bitches and how strong you are was his shit. Right. There was no excuse for him. He's like, he's creating that situation.

Do you know what I'm saying? Uh-huh. So that's why I say it's like probably was worse at Marival. Right. But again, but then like my best friend, coaches high school ball has like, like helped get numerous kids from very, very precarious backgrounds and situations in the college. He changes people's lives. He's everything good about broculture. But then the everything bad about grow culture, I just, I couldn't, and I couldn't express all this that I'm expressing you back

then. Again, to me, it was like, this is just what men are like. Right. Yeah. This is what it is to hang out with men. Well, it's either that or go do theater, and I couldn't do that because I was toxic too. You know what I mean? The other thing, the thing I will say about, though, is like, As I got older, I started to feel very, very not. I very much associate that period of my life with being 22. Right. Right. I'm saying, meaning like, as I got older.

And, you know, I started comedy in Knoxville at 24. So you saw me at, like, the beginning. I probably still had the chin strap or whatever when we first made her close to it. Yeah, right. So, like. Your closer was about a dog boner. Right. Yeah.

And it murdered for the record. destroyed. But anyway, I still had, like, jeans with holes in them and some of my, like, broier shirts and stuff or whatever. But I'm saying, as I got older, I just started feeling like, this is, like, you know, you're a grown man. Or, like, you should be. I think every generation goes through that. Well, so what I'm saying is I, if I see, like, 40-year-olds that are, like, still active. like that or whatever. Of course, I'm like,

that ain't it. That don't hit. I like to listen to the music while I'm fucking baking cupcakes or whatever the hell I'm doing. I'm not actually broing out. But it's just like nostalgic. It's just like 90s country or something for me, I think. Like I don't anybody's doing that now. If it's coming

back and 20 year olds are doing it, fucking rock on brother. I don't know what they're listening to because as far as I can tell, ain't no good butt rock coming out nowadays. Dude, I bet butt rock's about to have. I hope.

There's about to be a real bro rock situation. I really, really, really sincerely hope that happens. Unless bro rap. Except I won't like it because like the new rock, the new, like. It might be bro rap. Rap is exploded. It is huge and I can't listen to hardly fucking none of it. None of the new stuff.

Bro rap might have already done it. Do you know what I mean? Like, we already brought up a young gravy. Bro rap might already be taking the place of that. Right. But yeah, it's just kid shit or should be. Before we get out of year. And I think I can make this segue

pretty clean because we're not young anymore. We are old. Yeah, I know. Here's a segment we're doing, sponsored by Liquid Death. That's not true. They pray I don't want to be associated with this. Is this dad or depression?

Oh, good, yeah. I should, I don't know if I'm the most or the least qualified person to play this game. But it's like, I'm just like, dude, I've been just eating like a slob. Yeah. I don't care. what I look like. Jogging pants, it started like, I'll go to the grocery store in jogging pants. Now I'm like going to concerts in jogging pants.

I'm in jogging pants with boots right now. If there is like a concert, you got to drag me. Like Andy really needed to get at the house, so we went to a concert. Thank you Chris Funk. Thank you, Portugal, The Man. Thank you Snack Time. And it was fun. We got to hang out backstage.

My friend's snack time, they opened for Portugal the Man. I got to meet Portugal of the Man. I got to meet Portugal to Man. Oh, yeah. Were they cool? Yeah, they were all cool. Most fucked up. I've ever been a show in my life was a man.

You went to that Portugal of a man show at Bonnery that year. I think we were on meth accidentally. You were. I don't think I took it. I was on a bunch of different things. But I remember you guys took a thing that you didn't think was meth, and then I don't want to mention too many names, but somebody we both knows jaw. Immediately was like, oh, we did it. Anyway.

Yeah, probably. Hell of the show, though. Such a great day. Oh, Andy at some point was like, I'm sorry. I think I need to go home. I'm like, I can't stop thinking about the baby, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And I had to pretend like, oh, yeah, sure, like I'm being supportive.

I had been ready to go for 45 minutes. Right. Yep, yep, yep. Yeah. Is this dad in a new era? Or am I just depressed? I ate two handfuls of potato chips on the way over here. I mean, I want to say it's dad stuff because I think I tried to do a bit briefly,

somewhat recently that was kind of about this. It was like about young people not wanting to have kids because it's like, oh, and I don't, this was a while ago, I don't even remember what my jokes or whatever were, but it was about like, like, oh, I can't do that. Then I won't be able to go see Portugal the man anymore or whatever. And it's like, it's about, you know, it's like as a 37 year old who has kids, it's like, where's the fuck are you talking about? Like, there's nothing I want to do less than go see Portugal the man.

And I love Portugal the man. You know what I mean? It's like, that's what hits about kids. It's like they're like a, not a get out of jail free car, but for, yeah, four excuses. They're like an iron club. They're like a bulletproof excuse for getting out of shit. shit and I could get out of jail free card for getting out of stuff. I don't remember what I said.

It was something like that. But anyway, and that hits for me, but like, especially in L.A., dude, I could just tell that, like, people listening to that were like, yeah, that sounds awful and that's exactly our whole point. You know what I mean? Yeah, they're saying, like, we know we won't want to. But that don't hit for us. It's zapped the vibrancy from your soul.

Exactly. Exactly. And it's like, and I can't, I don't know how to express to them. It's like, yes. but that hits though. Well, if you actually change, then you don't care. Yeah. I think I care a little bit.

But you're brand new to it. That's true. I think you should probably care a little bit. I say you can. Yes, that's probably exactly what's happening. Because, like, dude, I mean, you know I am. You don't do nothing. No, nothing.

You also might be depressed. Yes, I know. I mean, there's no might to it. But, like, I don't think that, but like, I don't want, like, I do enjoy, or I don't know, especially when they're little and shit. Being away from them is hard and, like, you know, I don't want to leave him at all. Right. Are you serious?

That's good. Yeah, I couldn't tell if you were being serious or not. Or like doing a bit, I mean. No. You're like, yeah, I don't want to leave him at all. I didn't know if that's right. No, I don't want to leave him. Okay, right.

There's times where I don't want to hold him anymore. I want her to fucking take him. I don't want to keep looking at him. Right. So I think all that's like natural. But also, dude, it makes you feel old. Another part of it, I think, it makes you feel older. And depending on the band you're going to, it'll be a bunch of other 40-year-olds.

So that's fine. But like, most of them got babysitters too, right? So you're all in the same boat, right? But then, but it makes you just feel older. It comes back to what I was saying about the way I was dressing and shit earlier. It's like, you just stop. You're like, ugh, I don't want to fuck it. Like, go to a nightclub.

I'm fucking. I haven't wanted to do that Whatever the case may be It's just like it's like that's like Well that's a fucking 20 year old If I if I did do that I would be sitting there feeling like Everybody's pap all the whole time

Even though I'm only eight or nine years older than them It's like I don't want to hang out with a bunch of young Cool people I really and I don't think that you should Right When you're 30 when you're 38 You shouldn't want to do that And I think kids help to put you I think a lot of people that get much older

And haven't had kids and shit shit They keep trying to do that They keep trying to stay young, I feel like. You got like 37-year-olds that never married or had kids or whatever do try to do the 25-year-old shit a lot of them. And that ain't it. And I think that, like, that's part of it for me, part of what having kids, it, like, forces your trajectory in the direction that it should go if you're, like, growing and maturing as a person. I guess I guess I recognize what you mean by that. But also, like, I think about, okay, on this podcast,

we've had an ongoing back and forth of like, I said one time, like, I think Corey was like, nothing hits for you. And I was like, plenty of things hit for you. It's just that you two are soulmates. So you're constantly talking about the same four fucking things that hit for y'all over and over again. No one's interested in the things that hit for me. I was thinking about like a version of that yesterday of like, I like some shows and some movies, but that's not my favorite thing to do.

Yeah. Like live music is one of my favorite things. to do, and I love old people at a fucking live show. Obviously, if it's the newest rap guy, see, even saying that, I shouldn't be there. This new rap guy. But, like, when you see a papaw at a jam band, yeah, that's cool. It's fucking rad. You know, he's got on his Grateful Dead tea, and you're like, God damn, I wonder if Goose reminds

this old man of Grateful Dead. Cool. Like, I've always thought I would be that guy because that is my thing. I like to go. I don't want to be home. Right. And now I want to be home because I want to be with the kid, but I kind of still also want to go. I want him to come with me.

But, like, that's why I'm like, I don't know if it's that or if it's depression that I'm dealing with right now. And I'm trying to figure it out. I'm going to go to Mardi Gras on my way to my gig because it was like the same amount of money for the flight. And Portugal band's going to be there again. And my buddy was like, come hang out. And my buddy's in snack time. Dude, they got brass. They're a brass band.

They're a funk band with horns. we're going to go through the streets playing their horns. That's awesome. It's awesome. But I almost didn't do it. Right. Yeah, right. I know exactly what you mean.

But I wouldn't even see my kid that much more. I know. My opinion, of course, I'm biased, is that I think a lot of 20 or 22-year-olds would hear that and would first be like, oh, God, see, that's exactly what I'm talking about. But they're supposed to feel that way. It also would probably think that, like, yeah, see, it makes you boring and old and depressing or depressed or both or whatever. I think young people would think that but I think that that's like the way you should feel about it all

is my opinion but of course I'm biased What way is the way you should feel like? You said like I almost didn't go I know exactly what you mean I know why you didn't You still are, you're giving a shot And there's nothing wrong with you doing it I'm saying like just this whole inner conflict

Or whatever you're having about it all I think Because I should want to be with him you mean Yes That part I don't struggle with It's like it's like Right I want to be with the kid But eventually the kid's gonna be hey, what are we going to do together?

Right. Like, you play video games with your kids. I don't like, that's not me. Do you know what I'm saying? You don't think you'll ever like video games? Maybe. Yeah. I have in the past, but I guess.

Well, I've actually just told, I just checked to see if Rise Against was going to be anywhere nearby soon because I told Bishop. That's what I'm talking about. I'm afraid that right now. But they're not. Right. They're in Europe until fucking October.

That's, that's exactly what I'm trying to get at is like, I can't tell if it's dad of depression because it's like, I don't know if I want to do anything right now. But maybe it's just because he's so little. I just want to be home. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think another thing.

We'll wrap it up and get out of here in a second. But I don't know how you feel. Maybe also part of it, you're like, he's so little so you don't want to do stuff with him because it feels weird doing stuff with a baby. Some people don't feel weird about it. I always feel a little weird. Yeah, right. I always did too.

I've had friends before. Katie had a close friend who just had none of that at all in her. I love seeing a thing. three-year-old out as long as they're not like screaming and crying. Right. But anything younger than that's always made me feel weird. Right. I don't know why.

I've always been that way to. Well, just because I don't know. It just feels, even though it's not inherently irresponsible, it just like feels irresponsible or something. I don't know. It just feels not right. I remember one time Katie bought the boys. When I opened for Isbell in Vegas, Katie brought the boys up there.

We got like a babysitter service to sit in the room with them and we went and gamble, did all this shit or whatever. And then I had to fly. We were going to Tampa. the next morning, I was 6 a.m. flight to Tampa, and I was like, they were like, she was like, we'll just get up and leave at the same time. We'll drop you off at the airport. And I was like, all right, okay, because it's four-hour drive back to L.A. Point is, it's like 3.45 in the morning when we got to wake up to get to the car so she can drive me to the airport and then leave, right?

We got to get the boys up. They're like four and five. We're walking through a Vegas casino at 3.45 in the morning, right? And just getting the side-eye from everybody. And these people are drunk and fucking gacked out of their minds, right? There's some dude cheating on his wife with a man and then looking at you like, this motherfucker. And not just look at dude, they were saying stuff too. They were like, wow, kids, really? Like they were saying shit.

And I'm like responding to all of them without stopping. I'm like walking through it. It's like, they just woke up. We're going to the fucking airport. Like, you know, and he's like, please stop. And I'm like, anyway. I was like, they're not still awake. They just got out of bed.

You know, as they've already turned around and forgotten about me to do their next line of blow or whatever. But, yeah, anyway, that is what I think of when I think of, like... To be the worst person in Vegas is truly something. Yeah, I mean, like, innocently, too. I know. That's so you. I know. I've never been more you, dude.

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