wellRED podcast - #38 - Trae Has Dewayne Eyes ! (Ft. Anna Brown)

Episode Date: October 25, 2017

This week the boys come to you from two different green rooms in the Pacific Northwest. First from The Neptune in Seattle, and then the WOW hall in Eugene, Oregon. Topics include growing up religious, fried chicken, the Harvey Weinstein situation, Gwyneth Paltrow's Egg, and we FINALLY figure out whats been wrong with Trae's eyes. Anna Brown (University of Oregon Student, Daughter of frequent WR guest W. Earl Brown) joins us to talk about Beyonce, Feminism, and how we probably don't know what Tumblr is. wellREDcomedy.com for tickets to shows:)

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First show sold out. There's still some tickets for the second show. Then it's on, Lord, I'm out of breath just reading dates. Good God, I need Jesus. Then it's on to Raleigh, North Carolina, Charlotte, North Carolina, Greensboro, North Carolina, Denver, Colorado, Chattanooga, Tennessee, Nashville, Tennessee, Orlando, Florida, Tampa, Florida, Atlanta, Georgia, Birmingham, Alabama. Hi, babe, will you get me some Cheetos? Are you going to the store?

Okay, give me some Cheetos. Love you. Bye. Birmingham, Alabama, and that's rounding out the 2017 dates and 2018 tour dates. Got a lot of cool things. We're going to be in L.A., San Diego, Phoenix, Asheville, all over Texas. New York, Salt Lake City, New Orleans,

and our rescheduled show for Portland. So you can buy all those now at well-readcom.com, and appreciate you guys coming out last couple weeks. Just had a blast in Seattle and Eugene. Got way too high.

Thanks to everybody who brought us goodies to all our shows. I swear to God, like, fucking literally every other person handed us like some fucking weed cake pop and it was fantastic. So y'all are awesome. Love you.

And we'll enjoy this podcast, and I'll see you out there. This week's a doozy. We got Anna Brown, daughter of one of my favorite guests, W. Earl Brown, in the green room there in Eugene, talking about a whole lot of horseshit that's going on. So it's a great episode. Share it with your friends. Go over on Patreon for exclusive content.

Download, subscribe, all that good stuff, and come see us on tour. Love you so much. Skiy! Well, well, well. We should have saved that story for this. Yeah, well, let's just do it again. All right. Okay, well, first of all, Corey's pooping, but he'll be back before too long.

Excuse me, you guys keep it down. We're recording a podcast in here. Yeah, sorry. The help, am I right? Jesus Christ, these people. I know. The worst. Our agent and manager in the green room with us right now.

And we are giving them shit. We are, yeah. Oh, so, all right, so we're in Seattle, two shows to basically sold out. I'm going to call them sold out. They'll end up being sold out. Shows at the Neptune Theater in Seattle, which is profoundly awesome. We've been doing a lot of these older theaters lately, and they're fucking sweet. Me and Corey walked in.

No, it was me and you. Yeah. I looked around, they got stained glass. Oh, right. And it's the Neptune theater. And I go, oh, man, looks like they've made it like some kind of. Church of Poseidon. Oh yeah, it's the Neptune.

I'm a fucking idiot. Yeah, but dude, you know what? Well, first of all, my sorry ass wouldn't even have noticed it. I mean, I hadn't up to that point. I noticed it because it looks like a church. You know, you're right. Yeah, it does. But even if I had noticed it, I don't think I'd have said anything out loud,

but I would not have immediately put it together. I probably would have put it together later tonight in my hotel room and been like, oh, right. And it just felt like an idiot internally. But, uh... Well, tell that story about Atlanta. Right. I want to go back on the podcast last week.

There's one thing I want to address. Two things. So, yeah, we were just talking about the tour and stuff, and we were talking about Atlanta. And that reminded me of something that happened to me very recent. It was literally yesterday. I was at the production office in Hollywood where I'm working on my sitcom that's in development that y'all know about. I go to this office space for that. There's an assistant that works there.

She's a temp. Her assignment is up. She's a sweetheart. She's been there this whole past year, so I've got to know her a little bit, whatever. Her assignments up, she's moving to Atlanta because she has family in Atlanta and also there's show business shit in Atlanta. So she's moving from L.A. to Atlanta. I told her, you know, well, I'm jelly or, you know, whatever.

And then she said, actually, yeah, I saw that you guys are going to be in Atlanta on tour, you know, and I will have been in, I will have been there for like two weeks at that point. I'll be around. And I said, cool, you should come by. and she goes, well, I can't. You guys sold out. You know, yeah, you're big time, whatever. And I was like, ah, no, I got you.

Don't worry about it. You know, I'll put you on the list. I know the people. I'll hang on. You know what? I'll take care of it right now. You hang on one second. Pull my phone out because we have a shared document where we keep the list for all our shows.

And I pulled it out and went to the tab for Atlanta and was reading down through it. And unsurprisingly, because like most of our shows in the same. out. There's already quite a few people on the list, but people we just know. And so it's like, you know, Chuck, Jason, Jimmy, what, you know, and there's like four or five of those. And then the very last name on the list just says various rappers. And I fell out because I had not saying, I just started cracking up. And she was like, she goes, what, what? What's funny?

And I said, just look at this shit. And I held my phone and showed it to her. I was like, that's the list. for Atlanta. She read it. She like chuckled at the rappers, but then she like looked at me for a second and she goes, is that so, what is that real? Are there going to be rappers there? And I was

like, I mean, hell they might be. We hit. We know rappers. We know. Scotty ATL's been on the show. He's an Atlanta guy. And Corey's been trying to set something up with some folks, and I don't want a name drop for one because it might not happen. Actually, that's the only reason I don't want to do. I mean, yeah, we do know some rappers. And they're all, I think, in Atlanta. Yeah. And it's like,

Scotty's the only one we have met and hung out with. But the other guys, though, we know, like, through mutual people or whatever and have corresponded with and stuff. So, I mean... Yeah, we know rappers, by God. We know rappers, but, you know, rappers be rappers. So, you know, we'll see if they'll turn up or not. But...

When I put that on the list... But it's kind of real. When I put that on the list, what hit for me the most was the idea that if that got on the list and some rappers showed up. Right. Yeah. Like, whoever's running the list that now, I'd be like, yeah, yeah, actually you guys are on the list.

Right, yeah, yeah. Says here various rappers. Because rappers would look totally different from our fan base. You know, first of all, most of our fan base is white, but we do have some black fans, but they're often 45 to 55 year old women, and we hit, they hit, and we love y'all. But I just can, you know, all right, and my wildest dreams. I don't think there's ever been a single dude at any of our shows that looks like Scotty looks. Well, I was thinking in my wildest dreams that Killer Mike shows up and then like some,

you know, 20-year-old part-time worker at the theater just looks down to this and is like, you're not on here. Oh, yes you are, Killer Mike. Right this way, sir. But we don't know Killer Mike. I know that now on Twitter's weird. You guys know Killer Mike we want to if anybody has the hookup.

Yeah, we love Killer Mike. Me and you saw Killer Mike at Bonnarood, not run the jewels. This is pre-run the Jules. God is fire. Killer Mike's solo show on a Thursday night. It was the last show of that night, the last show that we went to anyway.

I think it was the last show. Like, they have the round of shows that close out the tents or whatever, and I think that was one of them. I believe it was. And so, closed out the first night of Bonnarut, and we're both there, huh? Wasn't that the night, Duck? No, Duck went, my buddy Duck went, I mean, God, you know how Salina is, small town shit. His mom is a sweetheart. I don't want to, yeah.

He had fun. He had a good time, and we lost him for a while. He disappeared. But he was fine. He just floated into the ether for a little. That was the year that Tom Petty played. It was, yeah. And Killer Mike.

Killer Mike started that chant. Tom Petty that ho. Tom Petty that hoe. And everybody in the crowd, all these fucking white kids on this farm in Tennessee are chanting Tom Petty that ho and dancing and shit. And after a little bit, he goes, that don't even mean nothing, man. Well, they put that on some kind of mix. They did.

I heard it. Bryce found it and sent it to me later. The thing I referenced last week, my buddy Ethan S.P did that where he pretended like, he was like, hey, white people on the real. who's Tom Petty, like he pretended like he didn't know who he was. One of his buddies put that on the thing, and I was like, I was there when they invented this at Monaroo, and no one liked it.

But, you know, whatever. It's fine. I've gotten over it. So now we're referencing last week's podcast. Hold on, real quick. A couple more things about that Killer Mike show. First of all, I knew Killer Mike was, and I fucked with him a little bit. He had just put out that album, rap music, RAPE music, yeah, which I...

That's fire. That song on there, Reagan is the name. of it, but it's about Ronald Reagan is... I don't think that's on RAP. Do what? I don't think that's on RAP. I think it is. You might be right, but I definitely found that song at the same time that I was fucking

with that album, but maybe... I didn't know that song until that Bonneroo show. Right. I had heard it already and dug it, but then he did it at Bonneroo, and he had one of my other buddies that was with us, who's raised by Republicans and is a Republican, but he's a sensible one, but either way, he's a pretty white-bred Republican dude, was in the crowd screaming, fuck Ronald Reagan. Fuck Ronald Reagan.

If you've never heard that song, it's so fucking good. It's about the drug war. Oh, God, man. And the beginnings of when they started making crack, they started cracking down on crack and making it a longer sentence than cocaine, which, you know, most of you all listening, I think most people who are aware politically are aware of that.

But if you're not, crack and coke are the same drug at a chemical level. They're just manifested differently, and that's why crack's cheaper. It's a shorter, cheaper. super high, but crack laws, you get longer prison time. It's very racially motivated and it's a fucking joke. He talks about it in the song about like, it's to get a bunch of black dudes into prisons. Right. Because slavery is still basically legal in the prison system or whatever and all this.

Did you see that shit where that sheriff complained about all the quote unquote progressives trying to make crime legal basically was his complaints like you know one of the things he said was he said it was in the south unfortunately he said I don't remember where he said you know they're doing all these things to unclog the prisons

and they're getting rid of these good behavior prisoners well they do all our work for it. Oh my gosh. How am I supposed to run my prison? I can't put people I don't trust out on the work crew and in the kitchen He said that with a straight fucking face sincerely. And I mean this in my whole heart. No one I know of other than hardcore rape murderers and pedophile murderers

deserves to die more than that guy. That's so fucking. That's so gross. That's like fucking medieval book. That's some Charles Dickens level. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, he's talking about his serfs, you know, like literally. With no irony.

Right. And no self-awareness. And like wanting pity too. You know what I mean? He's furious. Mike, this is, I have a real problem here, guys. I can't run my jail. They're taking, they're taking my serfs away.

They took away the good behavior. If you take away the good behavior of prisoners, and look, I'm sure it's hard to run a jail. And here's the thing. Here's what's not on him. He don't have money to run his jail. Right. Like the laws and the structure is set up that he has to rely on those people. That is bullshit.

And I'm not going to say not his fault because he's complicit in it. But he had no sense of that. It made me furious. Dude, they... I want to kill him. That's actually... I hope he dies. That's a plot point.

I'm gonna say it again. In case somebody out there's listen. No, I'm not... I'm about... And I shouldn't trivialize that this way. But it's fucking one of the best movies ever made. That's actually, that's pretty much a plot point in Shosh. I was about to say there.

He has to get Andy to run the whole thing and cook his books for him. And keeps him in there. Speaking of Shoshank Redemption, did you just crawl through a river of shit and found freedom on the other show? I was just about to mention how upset I was because I was in there trying to shit real quick because y'all were talking about rappers. and I finally got done. I come in here. The goddamn prison system.

I was like, motherfucker. We weren't talking about Tucci Row rappers, but I got to throw this out here real quick. Oh, come on, you aren't going to get me nothing on that? Oh, I literally was paying attention to this.

I was about here. That killer mic show was one of the best shows of that whole weekend at Bonarro. That's only, I think. It was fucking phenomenal. It was my favorite show, including Tom Petty, which, and I've told Thompson this to his face,

so he shouldn't get mad about me putting him on blast. I'll never forgive him for leaving Bonarue early. I know, man. Thompson left Boneroo early? On Sunday. Was there another music festival he was on his way to? He had a newborn baby. There were legit reasons to leave.

He picked that day to be a good person. That's why I said, you should have come late. I'm kidding. Dude, Thompson knows I fucking love him. I got to say this real quick because I want to jump out here. So this ain't going to mean as much to y'all as it does to me. So you all remember when we did that Q&A that Katie did for us, the one where it fucked up in a square is on our face?

Yeah. Okay. So somebody asked us, where's the best place? to get fried chicken. And I immediately said bees in Chattanooga. Well, word got back to bees. And so my friends

just blew me up. I was like, I had so many text and I was like, dude, bees, what the fuck? Are you sponsored by bees now? And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? They're sponsored by bees! Well, that is hilarious. But we're not, and I'm not, they were just misinterpreted something. But what happened was

that video got around to bees and bees shared the video. and said, and again, guys, I used to go there every Thursday before football games. This is my fucking, I'm going to cry. They shared our video and said, not only are these guys funny as all hell, but they know where to get some good fried chicken. At B's, of course, go see them on tour. And hey, boys, next time you are in town, y'all come by and we'll treat you to it.

Thanks for the mention. Anyways, they're bringing a fried chicken for our show in Chaddina. Corey, son, just don't let bees give you the big head. That's great. That's not what I thought you were going to say. Here's what I was going to say. And I think we've said this on the podcast. Our joke is that Corey's head is swollen because he got stung by a bunch of bees in the head at the same time.

And so we call his head the bee. Corey. They buy me shirts with bees on it. Bees really did make your head fast. They did. It was bees. It was bees. This is amazing.

This is the universe. It is real. Dude, I've got one of those moments that I want to do. Are you, is there more about? No, there wasn't anymore. I'm just super pumped because like. I want fried chicken. I know thing is really funny.

I want fried chicken when you dip in honey. We had a, we had a comment last week. that got put on my shit. I try to ignore them, of course, but couldn't with this. And they were like, you know, just still love the podcast.

I really do. It just seems like the last couple weeks, all you're done is like, you know, talked about how much you hit. And, you know, so we met this person and we met this person. I was like,

I'm going to actively try not to do that, but all I want to do now is go, we hit for bees. We hit for bees. So I'm pumped. We can talk about prison now if you want to, but like, whatever.

Did that comment come this week? Like, it was, last week. Because I've gotten good feedback from this last episode. What, dude? Dude.

That's what I want to talk about. Well, hold on real quick. It's all good feedback. It's one asshole. I have this simulation as real moment to share with you all. And I told you I was going to either that or, you know, there is a guy and he's, you know, a smart ass or whatever. So I hope y'all appreciate this as much as I think you will. I don't remember if we talked before on the podcast or not about my eye situation.

Y'all give me shit a lot for dry, not dry. or whatever but I have Oh, is this the story you've been wanting to do this? I have genuine double vision and it's gotten worse over the past like a couple of years and it's been like really fucking me up. I hardly ever drive anymore even like wherever I'm at. Take Uber's around L.A. and doesn't know how many hot dogs he's eight. Yeah, because I see I see two of everything and it fucking sucks.

I mean, you know, when you get two when you're like, you ever have that drunk where you can't keep your vision together where everything's saying to? Right. Well, it's that all the time when I'm sober as a judge is that and it fucking sucks. and I've been to all these specialists and eye doctors and stuff and I finally went to a neural ophthalmologist at Cedar Sinai on whatever this week a couple days ago. And this dude, he had all my charts, all my test results, all my scans, all that. He looked all that over and then he examined me and he diagnosed me.

And first, there's no, there's no cure. I knew you's going to say that shit. I knew you's going to say that shit. But, but look at my glasses. Corey, look at the left side, the left lens. You may put them on? No, just look at it. You see that?

Yeah, it's like, there's lines through it. That's called Prism, and that corrects my double vision. But I have to always have glasses on that have that in it. Is that new? Yeah, he gave it to me. Or I paid for it. So you can drive now? Yeah, I can.

Hold on, listen. I mean, I'm still not going too much because I get it. Anyway. So it's treatable, but not curable, whatever else, but I'm just glad to have finally gotten to the bottom of it, I actually got my true diagnosis. It's something you're born with. You don't catch it. Whatever, it just deteriorates over time. But it won't kill me or nothing. I just have to wear these special glasses forever. It's a disease that's named after the doctor that discovered it or identified it. So it's blank. It's the doctor's name, Retraction Syndrome is what it's called, as it's

do with one of your optic nerves retracting improperly, whatever. The doctor's name retracts your syndrome. This doctor happened to be named Du Wayne. So, I have Duane syndrome. That old boy got Duane had. I have Duane syndrome. Oh, my God. How they spell it?

D-U-A-N-A? Yes. That's fine. Right, it still works. Not with you. We're spelling different. But when my ophthalmologist, who's this super kindly old guy, super kindly old Indian guy, when he first said it, when he first told me, I thought, I was like, he just said to Wayne. But wasn't 100% sure, and I was like, I'm sorry, can you, could you, like, spell that for me or whatever, just so I know exactly, you know, and I can look it up.

He said, D.U. Wayne. Yeah, right. Yeah, and he's been, I was, and when he did, I was just like, I just started laughing to myself. and he was like, you know, well, I'm sure you're relieved to have died. And I was like, yeah, I am. You know, it's just, you have no idea how raven it is that this thing is named Duane. It's amazing.

It's amazing that you have waited until now to tell us. You have literal behead and you got DeWayne. And I'm not. I know, dude. As soon as I get diagnosed with old dog face, what's just really not. What's your heart thing called? I had an arrhythmia. That don't hit.

Yeah. It didn't. No. But anyway, I thought y'all would appreciate that. That's unreal. This was called, when I had the rib removed, that was Padgett Schroeder's syndrome. I don't know if you can do anything with that. It's pretentious sound.

It is pretentious. It is, yeah. Patchett's right. It's good. Now, I have a question. So, I mean, I'm excited about you being able to drive. Just at least if it's on the table, now we can make fun of you without feeling guilty. I'm wondering if now that they've fixed that with your prism glasses, do you know how to hold a fucking microphone?

Because you're doing it again, the whole time. time you're talking. I'm holding it straight. He seems fine. No, every time he turned, he was doing it. It sounds fine. Okay. I don't want to go through that again.

Well, we keep referencing back to last thing. What's wild is like I was alone without y'all with Paul the whole time and like, it was totally fine. And then, but something about y'all just makes me not. I've got the levels fixed now for somehow it still works. It might be. But did you, did you happen to listen all the way through the podcast this week? I got to

I got to where you started the jingle Oh yeah What'd you say at the end of the jingle? I cut all that stuff out Because we were like Oh yeah yeah And I was just like What happened here was

Tros been a huge piece of shit Okay I just making sure that you heard that No yeah I heard that part All right so let's get into it Two things I want to bring up One I really enjoyed You and Paul talking about anger As it relates to religion

Yeah That's something that We haven't I don't think gone super deep on Well I brought you up in that conversation. I know, maybe that's why this segment hit for me.

I stopped listening. But, like, we haven't, like, we've talked about pain, I guess, and we've talked about the political bullshit associated with religion. But I don't, like, even when we had, David on, David Smalley,

I don't feel like, and really not with Mona either, when we talked about her growing up in the Muslim religion and the effect that had on her, I don't remember, like, she talked about being anger with her mother,

and he talked about anger, but I guess he did talk about anger a little bit. But I just thought it was really interesting to hear him talk to you about it because you don't have any of that. No. Like, you know what I mean? You were just a total wall to bounce off of. I'm curious, Corey, do you feel, I don't know, anger about religion in general or personal? Well, I assume that you were about to go straight to.

But, however, Corey, because, I mean, I think I've made it pretty evident that I have a lot of anger. But, like, I don't know. Like, I don't have anger. Like, I fall more to your side on. And I've said a bunch on a podcast that, like, when we finally found a church that, like, I felt, like, I do remember we went to a different church and I was like, oh, wow, this is different. And I do feel that there's a lot of love. There's a lot of love here. And I, now, don't even wrong, it was a big church.

So there was also plenty of assholes, too. Sure. But, like, the leadership was good. The leadership was good. I remember being in youth group and, like, genuinely feeling. I didn't believe, by the way, but I genuinely liked going because Frank was a great dude. And he never tried to judge me. You know, if I would get in trouble in high school a shit ton

and Frank would never be like, you know, you're going to go to hell for that. He would always just say, Corey, you know, in your adolescence, you're going to make these mistakes. And that's normal. And, you know, obviously you should maybe feel guilty or whatever, but don't beat yourself down because we can always be better. And then he would always do the Paul, Saul turn into Paul. You know, even Paul had to walk the road to Damascus to find out who he was.

So, but. Paul's a huge piece of shit. but go ahead. They're all pieces of shit. Paul was the worst. Yeah, so, but that being said, I look at, I look at all that. I'll explain why in a minute's right. I look at all that.

And I know so many equally good people, Trey for, well, I'm not trying a good person, but like, not as good as, Frank at least. But I know so many good people that, like, religion, it has nothing to do with religion. They're just good people. Of course. Those people exist. And I guess what used to make me mad was that notion. And now, looking back on it's like, you have, like, I don't go to church, but, like, I mean,

I feel like I'm a good dude. I'm not saying like I'm the best guy in the world, but like I'll help anybody out. It's like the judgment is making that. It's the, because I don't like, I'm better than you in almost every way, but you get up on Sunday and so you can polish your little fucking halo and go, Corey's going to hell. Go fuck yourself, dude. It pisses me off. That always upset me.

That's always bothered the shit of me when I've heard that whole argument of. Like, I had a good buddy of mine who, you know, I respected shit, who knows that I'm not religious, but we were talking about it. and he was he said something he's like well you know tray i mean what about the fact like you know without the bible you know how would we know how would we know to love thy brother and how to you know treat you whatever and i and i was just like what it's dumb but why the fuck do you need it's like that line and true detective where russ calls like buddy if you need the promise of if the promise of if the threat of divine retribution is the only thing keeping somebody from being a bad person then brother that person is a person is a person is a person if you need the promise of the promise of the

piece of shit. Well, here's my problem with that, is that I guess those people are fine, but to me, in my mind, when religion was set up, the people at the top, these motherfuckers, who was that Mark Twain said religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.

So, like, they have convinced a large group of people that this is the only way to be a good person. And not only that, you'll go to hell if you don't. So, like, they're fucking, they're trapped. So like it's this whole mindset And because of that You can't like living in the South

You can be the best person in the world But if you every now and then go with your friends to a gay club And you don't go to church on Sunday You're awful like you're going to fucking hell And that's what Made you personally the angriest Was that feeling that pervasive sort of I don't know social pressure?

I think just the just the whole You know you talk about it actually with liberals a lot Where it's like we have this one two three step to be a good person. It's like, do this, do this, do this, and then you're a good person. I say that that's what PC culture has become. I think PC culture was necessary. I think it's a good thing overall, but it has become

for some people, you know, these morality police, you've got to follow these three steps and that makes you a good person. And it's like, no. And that is religious. That's dogmatic. That is. So that's what makes me furious is that like, and I mean, I've kind of let it go. I just, I'm like, I'm a good dude.

The thing about, you know, you could be a good person. but if you don't go play by the rules and you're still going to burn in hell or whatever. You know, that's one of the things that Paul said. He said that a pastor of his told him that fucking... Right. Paul Janeway said that a pastor of his told him that fucking Gandhi was burning in hell.

Right. Because he didn't know Jesus or whatever. Martin Luther King's burning hell because he cheated on his wife. Right. See, I never heard that kind of thing. That's, yeah, but that's old church. That's old church. Martin Luther King was a fucking snowy.

Snow Day, as we know at Corey's school. That's a huge part of that. I know it is. Right, but I never heard any example of a sin being the reason. It was always not knowing Jesus. Right. Yeah, I don't know. Which means that Jeffrey Dahmer's in heaven because he found God in prison. Well, that's another problem I have is like all these, so like there's like these shitty people.

And they're like, but you know, on his deathbed he came to and he confessed to Jesus. And I'm like, okay. So that guy who lived in filth his whole life stole from people. you name it, whatever. Then at the very end... Living in filth hits. It does hit. It does hit.

But I'm saying he can do all that shit, but then at the very end he's like, Jesus, I should have been better. And then he gets to go to heaven. Whereas like, you know, somebody that lives a really good fucking life, but they just didn't go on Sunday. But like they gave to charity, they did all the shit. They don't get to go to heaven because they didn't say one,

they didn't say some incantation of some horse shit. It's so weird. My dad won't play a role. One of his biggest problems with it was that. If I could play the role of two different types of Christians who ostensibly or seemingly don't rock the way that you're describing. There's like these new age progressive types who don't believe Gandhi's. I mean, and on the podcast last week, Paul referenced his own wife and her church. Right.

Who it's like, this is my faith, but I'm not going to, you know, part of it isn't like that all Muslims go to hell. That's ridiculous. And then the other type is it's not a contest. It's just about getting to know Jesus. It's not like this dude's going to hell because he lived in filth. He's going to hell because he doesn't know Jesus. Here's my problem of both of those. And this is why the reason I brought this up is I don't think I knew I was angry about that.

I was in touch with my anger, but I wasn't in touch with where it was coming from. And the reason why is I've never been to a church like the first one you talked about. I've talked about it before in the podcast. The church I went to was full of very loving people. Last weekend... Hors had some, by the way. Last weekend, I was playing in the yard, and my old pastor was over there with his wife

and this other lady in the church whose husband Charles has passed, and they are some of the sweetest people in the world. And after I got done playing with the kids, I walked over there. And they were like, we thought that was you. And they'd gotten so much older. You know, they're my parents' age, and it was like, wild to see him. They invited me in. They were decorating the hall, the fellowship hall,

because they were having a reception for their daughter who just got married. And they're asking me. They'd already had their wedding. They knew better to get married at the church. They were just having a reception there. But they asked me to come in and see it all. And one of them almost cried, like tears of joy at seeing me.

And they were asking me how the tour was going and just all that stuff. And we were laughing. And I was thinking about how much I missed them. And then I was thinking, and then we had the podcast, and I listened to you interview Paul today. And I was thinking about that anger. Because I didn't grow up with a lot of, like, hell, fire and brimstone sermons. There wasn't a lot of, like, gays are going to hell.

That was once a month. They literally called it Fire and Brimstone Day. There was a. No. Yes. On the, somebody write that down. On the bulletin, on the bulletin, you would get in there and it would tell you what. And it's like, today, Pastor Paul will be preaching on its, it's fire and brimstone day.

And I swear to God. And it was like, it's like, hey, today's the day, we're going in. You're fucking, your home town never ceases to amazing. That would be. That would be. If you don't accept Jesus, you go to hell. But it wasn't like, because you're gay, you know, it was just like this is the only way forward.

So here's my thing and here's my point with that. And we've talked about this a little bit on a podcast. And if I'm empathizing with people with a lot of faith, if I'm empathizing with my own parents, they truly believe you, for example, Trey, because you've never, ever in your life made a profession. They've never said this to me, but I know this. This is what they believe.

This is how their religion goes. Right. You're going to hell. because you've never accepted Jesus as a Savior. So, if they didn't pray for you, they'd be horrible. Like, if they looked at you, and I said, I care about this guy, he's a big part of my life, and they thought he's going to hell. And they didn't actually say, man, I really hope that guy figures it out.

That's shitty of them. It's that, dude, that's that Louis bit. It's literally the little. Oh, that's right. That's right. They think you're murdering a baby. Of course they're going to say something. Like, that's what they think you're doing.

Right. So that's logically totally sound, but Lord, that just don't hit for me. Right. Well, here's where the anger comes from and it not hitting for me. And we've dabbled in this a little bit. I was saying that I just got in touch with that anger probably in the last five years where I started to realize some of that shit hurt me bad. Right. In spite of the fact that it came from a place of love, which is a very insane thing to grapple with as a human being.

That coming from a place of. love, people taught me certain things that hurt me. Like, for example, when I believed for a big part of my very young life that my grandfather was going to burn in hell forever, and I knew what forever meant. Ours is. They just high-fived. That was me with my uncle, man, you know. I knew what forever meant.

But you got mad at the church because it wasn't ingrained in you. Dude, I was already going, like, when I processed that, like, I believed it. I believed every part of it. and then when he himself had a moment where he was like, I found God, I was so relieved. But I went through this period where I was like terrified of the idea of going to heaven. Like even that as a kid,

I was 13, I was having panic attacks and I had PTSD from it. And my point with all that is the anger comes from realizing that I had no choice in that shit. You know what's fun. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. I've told you all about the loss list.

Well, I don't know. I want to, can I? Oh, yeah, no, go ahead. I just your your conversation with him is so interesting to me because to me it made me think about how I just swept that away for so long it was like I was mad but it was like who was I mad at who do you be mad am I mad at my mom and dad I'm not I don't think but until I deal with I can't let go of it right until I say this is what I'm mad about I can't let go over whatever and it was interesting to me to hear him talk because it seemed like you guys didn't

gloss over it wasn't that it was just so interesting that he was like I I was almost impressed most by him going, I got very angry because I realized it was bullshit. And, you know, then I moved on. I was like, what? You can just do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How the fuck did you do that?

I think. Well, dude, Paul struck me as a pretty fucking put together dude in a lot of ways. I mean, as far, I mean, obviously, I mean, he's very successful. But the whole also his, he clearly has a lot of personal resolve that's not founded in any kind of like, you know, fear of fucking. you know what I mean like it's just that's just who he is as a person so right but what I what I guess what I realized today

and thinking about it's like what exactly am I angry about and it's this it's you either are not realizing the weight of what it is you're preaching and dealing with when you're saying you know to eight year olds that hell is real and people go there

or you do realize the weight of it and you're not fucking like checking in with them every once in a while and seeing how they're doing with that information. To be fair to my mom specifically, she did check in with me when she realized it was a problem, but it was too late, I was already fucked.

Don't you think it's in most cases, and obviously I'm, you know, speaking from a bit of a place of ignorance here, but don't you feel like in most places it's the former instead of the latter? Like most people just, and you know, your mama is a sweet, good, intelligent person,

but I think most people that do that shit though, I don't think they at all grasp the fucking weight of what they're doing and saying to a kid. So they don't. No, not at all. In the last few years when I talked to her about all this stuff, she said you were my difficult child in this regard because, and it's what you just said, she knew that. She said you knew what this stuff really truly meant more than most of the adults I went to church with. Right. I'm sure you did.

So she knew. but you're right she was acknowledging what you just said most people were the former because you were fucking eight years old whatever and you were thinking about it right a lot of them don't think

about it they just it is what it is and they feel it or whatever and you just fucking roll with it man I mean I know I fucking pretentious whatever that is but that's my honor in places like where we're from

I think a lot of those people that truly is what it is they don't ever give a second thought of is this kind of of fucked up at all. I'm about to have to get ready for this show personally, but I think I just, this came to me like 12. That's the reason I, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I was like, I'm about to have to

fucking leave. I want to say this real quick. I kind of think I know the thing that makes me the most mad at present because I'm, I'm out of the church now, so like I'm not, I don't know, I'm not, I'm not in there enough to know what they're doing anymore, you know what I mean? What makes me the most mad, I think, from like a selfish point, is that they have these copouts for arguments that I'll never have and it makes me furious.

It's jealousy. It's kind of. But like so, like, I'll have... Oh, that checks out. I'm not what I mean in a shitty way. My friend Kelly O'Neill, who's one of... Now, Kelly is one of the biggest Christians I know. And also, genuinely, Kelly's one of them guys that's so good that if I found out Kelly had 19 bodies in his freezer,

I'd be like, okay. You know what I mean? Like, he's just too... He's... You should explain that in case Kelly's listening. Dude, he'll laugh. This is who Kelly is. Because he's too good of a guy. Nobody should be that good of a guy without some kind of.

But I've known him my entire life. We've played ball together. Oh shit. My bad. I'm about to, I'm tangled. Caught in a web of lies. Kelly literally is when it comes to if somebody was like, like a David Smalley, when David's like, they're all this and they're all that and all these fucking, sorry, David,

I'm doing a shitty impression to you. That sounds spot on to me. So if they want to say, you know, they're all like this. I would say, go talk to Kelly. because there are good Christians out there. It's just that they're not the loudest one because Kelly's not going to get on like that Joshua Feirstain dude

and those are the guys that get noticed. Kelly goes to the hospital all the time just to see sick people from his church and I mean just does it. He's just a good guy. He's actually like Jesus. He's actually a good person. But the most of the people that I see stirring shit up on there, they have these cop-outs. We're like, no, Corey, we can have an intelligent conversation

about these if you want to talk about. I'm like, okay, cool. And then I'll get-go and get going and get going and get going and then I'll bring up an indisputable fact and then they can go well you know the Lord works in mysterious ways or the Bible says this or you know God God put dinosaur bones or the devil put dinosaur bones and when they do shit like we're incapable of having this conversation because you've got some magical shit it's a wand yeah they can get out of it any time and it's a fucking makes me furious of a problem that you I think have had on your Facebook and we've talked about it in relation to politics social issues and religion

You stay talking to dumb fucks. But I don't, but if you will look. But if you'll look now, I think there's some, I think there's some redemptive aspects of that. You know what I mean? On my personal page, which is where, yeah. It's endearing to me. On my personal page, which is where all them folks reside, they're not my fans. On my fan page or whatever, I don't ever, if I'm going to say something and make a statement that I know is going to start some shit up, it goes straight to my fan page.

My personal page is nothing, but hey guys, I'm going to be here. Here's a picture of my niece because I got so sick of it. I was like, I don't want to fucking do this anymore. Well, that's what I was getting at. I don't think you're wrong for engaging with anybody. I was just like, don't act surprise. Oh, no, no. I didn't mean that I was wrong.

I'm saying that the reason I stopped doing it, I didn't like make some active. I could, I can't no more. Like I look and I'm like, I'm fucking done. I can't, I can't talk to you because you're just going to say that. I've told the story on here about me talking about the Bible with my black buddy, right? about the slavery yeah we talked about that on here or you put it in the book well either way just a very brief version of it he was talking about the bible the bible says gay marriage is wrong and he lives his life by the word of the lord and the bible whatever and i said okay but i mean buddy like

the bible also says you know basically overtly endorses slavery in a few different places and i'm the kind of douchebag or at least i used to be where i i had those memorized you know that i could pull out or whatever and I did and he goes and he goes yeah only the ones that didn't hit tray quote him from the book of insufferable exactly for sure but I said a couple of them was about slavery and he and again don't hit a cuss he was like he goes yeah but tray man you have to understand that the type of slavery they talk about in the Bible that's not at all the same type of slavery we had here in America. The Lord never planned for the type of slavery they had here. That was totally different. And I was like, dude, all slavery is bad. And he was just like, it's not the same thing or

whatever. And I said to him, I was like, buddy, you do realize how absolutely insane it is that me and you being who we are, looking how we do and sounding the way we do, that we're having this conversation and you are defending the concept of slavery to me. And that's because of the Bible. You realize how fucking wild that is, right? And he was just like I mean, damn, man,

I don't know what else to say, you know, and that was pretty much that. But like, that was, that's the most egregious example that I've ever encountered of that kind of, like, uh, circular thinking or whatever that they do, like the loopholes they, you know, make for themselves, right?

And I, I, I get that type of anger, and I get Corrie's, and he brought up David, and it was a lot of what David talked about, the hypocrisy and the sort of magic wandism. But what I've been thinking a lot about lately is, it's something that never bothered me, is I didn't run into it, I guess, a lot. And it's not what I'm angry about. And what I realized at some point was that what I was angry about is, man, take it through. levels down. That shit right there, I mean, that hurts people, sure, especially with like the gay stuff. You know what I mean?

Like, that's a great example of, like, you grow up gay in a church household. Well, if you grow up gay and black. Right. In that type, you know what I mean? Sure. Like, sure. Of course it fucking hurts you. But even the churches who've gotten rid of that shit.

You know, the progressives and all that stuff, or we just ignore it or whatever it is, this stuff is fucking napalm. because of the depth and power of the idea of eternity and the weight of that. And that's fine. That don't mean we should avoid it or whatever. If you're interested in that and you believe that Jesus is the way to have everlasting life, that's fine. But you have to understand the responsibility you have in dealing in that shit.

And I guess I'm realizing now, as I get older, is like what I'm angry. about is how few I think people actually give it. It's like you don't even respect in your own faith. Realize the weight of this. Realize the actual way of saying people go to hell even if they're good people and knowing that there's people in the audience who are afraid their grandparents are going to hell. And they'll say, they'll say, no, I know that. That's why I'm bringing it up because we've got to pray and we got to do that.

I get that. But have you thought about how it's going to hurt people? and you can say tough you know what I mean I really believe it fine but deal with it talk to people about how it's going to hurt them right you know what I mean

like fucking address that and that's what I realize I'm mad about and I kind of brought it up because I realized it's not what most people are mad about and that's why I argue with people like David and that's why I defend it because I hear people like well they're they're hypocritical and I'm like every human being I've ever met

is fucking hypocritical about their beliefs everyone has holes and all that I've got a perfect thing that I wanted to talk about on this week's episode anyway, and it's directly related to, it's kind of related to the whole religion thing, but it's directly related to what you just said. I said, everybody's hypocritical about their beliefs, and again, I was going to bring this up anyway. So earlier today, I flew from LAX to Seattle,

and I was sitting on the plane as it was boarding, and this guy got on, who I had noticed earlier in the terminal, didn't know he's on my flight, this guy that, he was a Latino dude and he just he had this shirt on just a t-shirt but it said in huge capital letters like and it was like red like aggressive lettering on like a black shirt and it said Jesus is the way or Jesus is the answer you know something like that yeah and and any obviously anytime I see something like that it's like no that don't hit for me but then he gets

on the plane and as he's walking down the aisle and thank the fake lord i had a window seat he's handing out but not to everybody only to certain people he's handing out these little flyers the pamphlets and he handed one to the guy beside me uh and i looked over and i asked the guy later if i could see it and he showed it to me called salvation tracks i think is that what they're called because the the title at the top of it said the path to salvation and uh yeah so when they were handing out at bonneroo that year of you there that year there's always some Jesus frees at Bonnery doing that stuff. Yeah.

And he tried to give him drugs. Yeah. We, I've, yes, I've encountered those people at Bonnery before and I always fuck with them because I'm usually, because I'm usually fucked up when it happens.

I need to correct the record. T's tried to get him drugs. I was with Tis stay here. That's my dog. So anyway, and I'm not going to lie. I mean, I texted you all about it.

Like, because here's just that we've talked about on here before. Yeah, Muslims can't like, super hardcore, religious Muslims don't hit for me, but I'm that way with everything. And like today is proof of it because when that happened and I saw what was going on, it sincerely unnerved the fuck out of me. It made me very uncomfortable. I like that because I was like, this is fucking,

you know, like this dude, like this dude would be totally fine with this plane going down right now or whatever. I don't know. It freaked me the fuck out because any kind of religious extremism or fundamentalism like that freaks me the fuck out. And, you know, but this dude's Christian, but still I was like, oh, I wish that, I wish that guy wasn't on this plane. That don't hit for me. I'm not comfortable with that. But I let it go, whatever. Well, except for, I tweeted about it because, of course I did.

And I didn't say everything I just said. I just said, the guy got on here with this shirt and he's handing these things out. So, you know, thankfully, there's nothing super fucking unnerving going on right now. something to that effect. And you know, we have extremely liberal fans. And one of the first responses I got was from somebody that said, turn him in, religious extremists are dangerous and shouldn't be tolerated. And I just ignored it, but I sat there and molded over for a little bit.

And it was like, okay, if I had said a dude just got on here with a shirt, with Arabic writing on it, and was handing out. pamphlets about Allah or whatever and I was fucking freaked out by it. A, you wouldn't have said that shit. I guarantee it. And B, I would have got fucking crucified by people. Which I mean, is your goal in life. Right.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm a martyr. Yes. But, uh, and I'm a sigh and all that. Yeah. But like, I mean, am I wrong? No, I don't think so. I almost guarantee that, you know,

And that's an example of what you're being hypocritical in your beliefs. And also it's like, dude, that's, look, don't hit for me this guy doing that. But like, miss me with that fascist bullshit, dude. Like, I ain't trying to put nobody on a fucking registry. You know what I mean? Like, it's the equivalent of what you're talking about here. Like, dude, fuck that. And I don't know.

You're right. That also didn't hit for me. The right will crucify you for what you did do if they get a hold of it, but they mostly ignore you still, which is fine. Right. Especially on Twitter. but you're right man you can't be the reverse and i know that there's like there's people out there who are like no there's right and wrong you know what i mean it's not the same there's things that's right there's things that's wrong and it's like all right we can only take that so far though

and you talk about putting people in a registry because they handed a pamphlet out right right right i mean because they handed a pamphlet out yeah maybe they were being ironic like they were like see maybe i mean it is hard to tell that shit on the internet sometimes so i mean maybe yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah sounds like when people do this. Maybe, yeah. But there was no indication of that at all. Because sometimes I'd be doing that.

Like with a shooter, I'll be like, man, as a white male, I got to say, you know, I know it's my responsibility to say that we're not all like this or whatever, you know what I mean? Because I hate when they do that to fucking poor Muslims because somebody's a terrorist. Right. Anyway, the other thing I wanted to talk about from the podcast, and I know you knew this was coming. St. Paul said,

I could literally fart into a microphone at this point for 30 minutes, and some fans would be into it. And you did not take that opportunity to tell him about Mr. Butt, and I understand why. And I know what you're going to say, and you can say it so people can hear it. And it's totally fair, but it broke my heart a little bit. I'm sorry, but, like, do we really want to talk about this on here? Like, what if, like... Everybody know about Mr. Butt. They do now, yeah.

And also, a disclaimer, we have a dedicated guest mic now. a fourth mic that Mr. Bud is not allowed to utilize when he makes his presence known. Having said that, yes, Drew's right. Obviously, it's the first thing I thought of when Paul said that, you know, we could fart into the microphone for 30 minutes and call it a day, but we're not going to do that. Obviously, the first thing I thought of was Mr. Butt. And I opened my mouth to be like, oh, dude, yeah.

well, you know, we actually do that. But before I said it, I realized like, man, this dude hits. He's taking time out of his day to do this podcast with me. We've hit, we've hit it off. We've gotten along well. I've really enjoyed this conversation. I kind of don't want to end it by indirectly just telling him, yeah, funny, you should say that,

because that microphone you got right there, the one that I've made sure to tell you to hold it very close to your face, very close to your mouth so the audio was good dude I hold that thing to my asshole and fart into it all the time but ain't that hilarious ain't that something you just I felt shitty about it you did the right thing but here's the there's a thing that we've talked about on the here before that's so endearing about you

and it's your complete inability to lie right you could have said that and then lied to him about what Mike it was or right now when you told this story you could have acted like yeah but we have a guess Mike I just forgot there's so many ways as you could have made you and us look better right now. And it's like, no, I said, we'd be farting into all the microphones. We do have that other mic.

You're right. That wasn't the case. I know, that's what I'm saying. It's just like your inability to even think of a lot. It's so sincerely endearing. Yeah. And that's why. Don't get me divorced one of these days.

You got a lie to them, though. Just so you know that he's not just bullshit right now. We talk about that. We've discussed that at least 10 times. He's told me about that before. He's like, look, Tray, it's so sweet how this is the one area where he's very clearly stupid. Well, dude, when it comes up the best is if we're trying to get away from a crowd. I know.

Like, we've got a meeting or something to get to and we're outside and we're running a fans. We're just trying to get home and go to sleep because we've got an early flight. And that's fair. And I'm like, right, and that's fair. And we could just say that, I guess. But I'm like, yeah, man, we got to go. We got this meeting with these people. And Tray's like, what?

Shit, we got another meeting. God damn. With who? Who scheduled that? God damn. When did that get done? How come I didn't know about that? It's the first time I'm hearing of it.

And Drew's just looking at me like, really, motherfucker? Like, I'm trying to bail us out right now. And I'm just like, no, no, no, no, no. What meeting? Since when? Sports and lying are the only two things I'm better at you then. That's it. And one I'm clearly done with.

So, like, I have to keep lying. Yeah, well, on that note, you're funnier than me, too, baby. You hit. Yeah, well, you know. Right. Tell the internet. I've tried, baby. I know.

I know. Well, all right. What are you doing here, Corey? It's 805. Because we're going to push it like 815, because they're still, they're still following. And you've got a voice of God me anyways. Okay. All right.

That's true. I have to bring him up. Yeah, but we're not, we're just talking to push it. We need to, well, let's just go ahead and pause then, and we'll keep going a little bit later. Because we don't, this is not an intro. This is the full up this week, y'all. and we're not, we ain't, we ain't gone long enough yet. We ain't going to short y'all that way, so just hang tight.

We'll be back later. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. Okay, we'll end on that. Your ball smell interesting. We'll come back later. Hey, well, Redders, Cho here again. There's a weird little break that just happened if you're wondering what's about to go down.

Basically, we paused this in Seattle, and then we picked back up in Eugene, Oregon. And when we started the podcast back, we had zero idea and could not remember what it was we were talking about. So we kind of just started over. So I hope you enjoyed the second portion of the same exact podcast in the green room with Eugene Oregon, with the lovely, smart, and way cooler than us, Anna Brown. Thank you guys. Here we go. The most prominent one that that dude repped was one of the kids from Stranger Things,

and he was also in It recently. His name is Finn Wolfhard. I know who Finn Wolfheart is. There was no allegations or whatever. about involving him, but he left the, anyway, he fired the dude when all this shit had like come out. So yeah, that's the thing that had recently happened. In that guy's defense, he could have been fucking their moms. He absolutely was not fucking their moms. He was fucking them little kids, Corey. No, they're not, they're like, they're like,

it's like a Greek, it's like a Greek thing. It's like 14 and like to 20 year old dudes. It's not like little kids. Obviously it's still, it's not pedophilia. It's that other thing. There's a word for that. Yeah, I guess there is. I don't know. I don't remember what it is. But either way, there was some text messages and stuff. Yeah, it's nasty. Well, because the thing is, it was like he was, it was abused regardless of any of the ages or whatever.

But there was text messages where he was like, this one actor had texted him and been like, look, you know, that shit wasn't cool. What you did at that party earlier, like groped him or something. And the dude was just like, oh, stop it. I like to flirt. So sue me, whatever. And just totally unrepentant about it. And then they did. What I'm saying is, it ain't has shit to do with their mammas at all.

This actor was how old? He was at the time, he had just turned 18, I think, is what the story was. But this dude reps a bunch of, like, pubescent boys, too. So, you know, Cory Feldman has been singing for years. Years and years. That there was so much pedophilia in Hollywood and that he had been abused. And everyone was like, oh, he's a fuck-up. And it's like, well, maybe there's a reason.

Just give me one of those Bill Cosby things, man. God, there's so many things I want to talk about. There's one that is going to, I'm somehow going to make y'all laughing this in a minute. But before I get to that, this, so we're trying to get in Hollywood. We're trying to break in. This is what Papal Batman needs to do, Corey. Yes, I agree. Come in.

Come in. Come in. This isn't like a little. All right. Sorry, we had to handle some business real quick. We're in the green room and the stage manager came back here briefly. Swindway, what were you saying, Drew? I have no.

Oh. You said there was a bunch of shit you had to say. Well, the first thing I was going to say is this is what. How about Batman's real goal in life should be is we infiltrate Hollywood and just eradicate all the goddamn abusers. Now, see, that's way more Batman-y than your original plan. I know what you're wanting me to do right now, but I'm actually fine with that. Here's another thing. So this is what I said was going to make you a laugh.

This came up at the dinner table with my in-laws the other night. Oh, God. No, this whole scandal. Because now that a liberal has been accused. Oh, of course. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Oh, I know. Now it's like, you know how much money he gave to the Democrats?

I'm like, okay. That aside, they brought it up, and they were talking about it, and they were talking about, and I was really proud of Andy, my wife, for just, like, being honest about who she is. Because, like, they were talking about all these women and all this shit, and they were like, and, you know, they had, as you might imagine, very little sympathy for, I don't know. I shouldn't say that. They did have sympathy. That's not really the right way to phrase it.

What I'm trying to get at is at some point, Andy was like, no. I see why some of these women did it or didn't do it but kept their mouth shut because they wanted to have a damn career or whatever. And you could tell that, like, her mom wanted to be like, I'd never do that. And it's like, yeah, that's why you don't hit. Not that you have to, you know what I'm trying to say. No, I get what you're saying. It was like, she was having an honest conversation with them about the power that these fucking people have when you have a dream and they can give it to you. It's not, there were fucking secretaries that have done that shit.

Right. And I'm not like, so because, yeah, in this world that we live in, it's shitty. but as a woman, something, like, fuck, if I say something, I mean, it's not just the women.

I know that. It's the fucking dudes too. Yeah, it's hell. It's a lot of the dudes. I mean, like, to my in-laws credit,

you know, and I was like, you know, I brought up O'Reilly at some point because I had to and not even like a quid pro pro pro thing.

The reason I brought it up, actually the first thing that happened was, uh, her mom goes, well, you know, Hollywood's just always been

so messed up and so power ridiculous. Back in the day, anyone who was pro-life, uh, just couldn't get a job there. And now no one who's pro-life even tries to work there. And I, like, looked at my fake watch.

And I was like, well, we made it 45 seconds before we made it about politics. But since you guys did, let's talk about O'Reilly. Do they not know by now? Like, this is only going to go one or two ways. Oh, son, they've been knowing about me. I mean, again, to their credit, they knew where she knew where they was going to go. She wanted to talk about it. Yeah, that's just wild.

Most of the time when neither of Andy's brothers are there, as long as Andy and her mom dung into a specific thing that I won't talk about right now, We can just argue and it don't get, you know, emotional or whatever. So anyway, we started talking about O'Reilly, and I'm bringing that up because, and I know you guys know this, but I'm going to read it. O'Reilly apparently he just settled his harassment claims and Fox immediately gave him his contract back. Yeah, right. You're about to say, of course. I'm going to be honest with you.

That's not an of course for me. I can't believe it. I was surprised when they got rid of him in the first place. I swear I was too, actually. I mean, you look at the state of their thing and their people. and everything that they're about and just fucking Trump and pussy grabbing and all that shit, I couldn't believe they actually fired him when it happened. That's how little like, that's how low the bar is for me when it comes to them.

This is kind of, this is Steve, I must have said Steve Mariochi. We explained that on the time? No, we haven't. Let's not just, this kind of hits and also doesn't hit. Go ahead. I was wrong, so that don't hit, but I, about this headline, but I was right. They haven't rehired him. I miss, there's a headline saying they renewed his contract.

Apparently, that's what they did literally as soon as he settled the harassment claim like six or seven months ago. Okay. And then had to fire him later because they couldn't keep it under wraps. In other words, they knew about all this, but it was kept under wraps. They renewed his contract immediately. And then when it came out, they were like, damn, now we got to fire him. The only difference was the public knew about it. There was no difference on their end knowledge-wise from when they renewed his contract to the time they fired.

I actually tweeted when you got fired. I was like, this is the, this is going to be the only show that loses viewers. Or like, this is the only network that will lose viewers for someone getting fired for sexual harassment. It's like, it's this fucking horse shit.

You can't do shit nowadays. Well, that was the other thing I was going to bring up. And I'm not saying that I'm not at all putting this on any of these women. Do you agree, though, that the time and age that we live in, a woman could really go after Weinstein publicly right now and actually help her career a lot.

I think that's true right now, and I don't mean to diminish her as a person, but when's the last time you fucking heard of Rose McGowan? And then that, like, after this, dude, she's a hero. The reason that you hadn't heard of her in a long time is because apparently, according to her, he buried her. Okay, well, there you go. That sucks, but I'm saying, like, as of right now,

like, I do see her, and it sucks that this has to be the way it is, but, like, she's a fucking hero right now. Like, this was her thing that started it? Well, did you see what she tweeted the other day? And now the left, as we do, we're eating her. Oh, God. She tweeted something. She a milkshake.

She milkshake duck herself. I'm trying to, I'll have to look it up. You guys talk about something else. You know what milkshake duck is? I mean, he really, he hits. He's awesome. We were talking last night about how fucking funny he is. Don't get it twisted at all in that way.

But I think the whole Cosby thing fucking boosted Hannibal at the time. Hannibal's profile. And right, him being the guy that brought, that brought fucking Cosby down or whatever. I've said, though, we talked about this a bunch. Like, that's, Hannibal did the right thing. And look at what. what it did and it was the right thing to do, but like, God I'd fucking hate, like, as a comedian,

you bust your ass, Hannibal's great. Like, he's a great comedian. But, like, now that so many people are just like, oh, yeah, that's the guy that took Cosby down. That would really suck for that to be your thing, even though, of course, he did the right thing. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it sucks to be known for just one, any fucking thing, regardless of what it is.

But, yeah, what? She tweeted. A hell of a thing for me to say? No, no, okay. What she tweeted was. Lord. I got to find it. Oh, woman is the new.

Inword? Yes. Well, that's a John Lennon song. What? Huh? Which John Lennon song? Woman is the nigger of the world. That is literally a John Lennon song.

Just cool. He did it with Yoko on, actually, I think he did it on shit. There was like some show and, like, they didn't know he was fin to do that. Like, he just went up. out and did it. Wait, apparently she said, replace the word women with the N-word, how does it feel in reference to something?

So she didn't even say, I thought from the headline that I just read, but apparently a lot of people on the left are eating her alive. By the way, I think. And she apologized for it, and then some people said she didn't apologize correctly. And that's something that we have talked about a lot. What she meant is probably okay, but she's not a good writer. I don't get what the,

what exactly is their outrage center around, people on the left? You know what it is. It's her going, like, people go, you know, women are doing this. And, you know, women will just say women be shopping. You know, women be shopping. But it's like they're trying to pigeonhole. Well, like, you know, women lie about this stuff all the time.

Women be protesting. What she's probably means is. Women be demanding equal rights. Yeah. I say, like, if I'm going to say, you know, black people did they do this all the time, you call them a racist. That is what she was getting at. What people are mad about is they're saying that the plight of black people doesn't actually compare to the plight of women.

A and B, black women exist. Right. How do they feel about you saying that it's the same? Right. And then she apologized and was like, I wasn't saying it was the same. I was trying to draw an analogy to make a point kind of what you were getting at. And a lot of people like that, apology isn't enough. This is another example of how feminism has become for a lot of white women sort of racially exclusive to their own problems.

There's some truth in that. You know, for sure, man. But like, God damn. Yeah. Women, you know, like feminism is a, fucking valid thing and all that and women have a lot of issues or whatever, but white women, don't be saying that, you know, you've got it as bad as fucking black people doing its country.

Because, yeah, I mean, that's outrageous. And her response was, for any white woman to even imply that. Her response was, I see how it seems like that's what I was thinking. I don't feel that way. I'm sorry. And a lot of people apparently were like, not good enough. And this is something that we've talked about on here before, about the idea of the left eating itself.

she was wrong, but she has apologized. Right. We shouldn't have the pitchfork out after her for that. Well, I think the response to that is like, yeah, but we can't just keep letting all this shit go. Like, this is what, you know, we've always, we've been saying that white women have a problem in feminism, you know, blah, blah, blah. And I'm not saying I agree with that or I disagree that.

My whole thing is, is you can disagree with someone and still support them, I think. Is that not possible anymore? You can disagree with someone and still support them? Like, we need to talk about this issue, but hey, you got raped. She got fucking raped. Right. That might make you say some shit. Right.

It's that whole all or nothing mentality that exists now where it's like you say, yeah, we've talked about that before I know because, I mean, we've ran into that with just our jokes and shit, our comedy. But like, you say one, you're a fucking hero until you say literally one thing, one thing that, you know, the people on your side of the fence like don't exactly agree with. and you get fucking crucified for it. Like you say a thing and people are like, hey, that was fucked up.

Here's why. And you go, oh, shit, it was. And she did that, right? Right. Then fuck it. Fuck everybody. Well, and I'm not saying fuck everybody,

but I am saying like, we've got to, we are in a culture war right now with people who are literally aligning with Richard Spencer of fucking Nazi and we're loose. And we can't get our shit.

And this is why we're losing. Right. Because they do the exact opposite, right? Like, they, They go to bat for each other no matter what the fuck they do. They give Bill O'Reilly his job back. We don't need to be them. That's not what I'm saying, but we need to beat them.

That's what my new Burger King bit's all about. Every bit of that checks out. My new Burger King is about the left eating itself. I literally end it with fight the battles you can win, Democrats. God damn. I know. So you're the most checking out sentence. Oh, this is a policy.

It's got to be saturated. fat wrapped in ice. It does. You would have to go even more raven. And this is also the essence of my bit about lighting Congress on fire and a field in a hole in a field. So, yeah. You know, I can get there.

I can get there, but I've got to do some analogies and they're going to involve cheeseburgers half the time. Right. So, yeah. So this is not really related at all, but something you said in the middle of that reminded me of this. And I just think it's funny. I just want to tell this story on here.

I've got this bit I've been doing lately. That's a true story about me. my wife and a fucking cereal eating cricket and whatever. And, uh, oh, I know the story you're going to tell and it's hilarious. It's amazing that this ain't my bet. Like, that should have happened to me. And, uh, at one point, I talk about tweeting something stupid that my wife had said. And every time I say that, the, at least some people in the crowd always make this like,

oh, oh, shit type noise. Like, oh, you know, any merry man should know better than to do some dumb shit like that is the context of the noise they make. Yeah. And so I've, and it was just a knee-jerk reaction initially, but it's just been my reaction. Every time that happens, I say the same thing over the past couple weeks we've been doing it, which is that I say, yeah, I tweeted what she said. They groaned in that way. And then I go, ah, she fucking, she knows what she signed up for.

And I sent that last night in Seattle, and the crowd immediately was like, oh. They didn't boo me, but it got the loudest groan. I think it's possible to get from a crowd. They were like, oh. And we had no idea. Oh. And I was like, and I was sitting up there like, what the fuck is happening right now? And I came backstage and I, and everybody, everybody but Corey, you and our agent manager, everybody was like, what the fuck was that about?

And I was so weird. And I was like, I have no idea. And fucking Corey. I didn't even heard it at the time. Corey was the one who was like, what? I know exactly what happened. Are you fucking kidding me? He's like, that's what Trump said.

to that fucking war widow, that gold star widow, whose husband got killed overseas. He said that he knew what he signed up for. And I was like, holy shit, you're 100% right. That's exactly what happened. You accidentally referenced the thing you didn't know you referenced. Yeah, at all. And it was very like, it was super accidentally edge lordy of me. You know what I mean?

That is not as wild, though, as me literally being the only person in the room that knew that. Well, dude, I mean, I obviously have heard. heard all about that story, but I just wasn't putting it together. I wasn't connecting the dots at all in my head. The minute you said it, I was like, holy shit. It's joke structure. I immediately was like, well, here's why this doesn't work. Exactly.

Yeah, my brain works in comedy. But that's weird that the crowd picked up on it, in my opinion. One, two, three, four of us, five, because Val's friend was backstage too. Yeah. She didn't know. Five people had no idea why in that room. And one out of six, did I do that math right? Yeah, whatever.

Math hits. Figured it out. How come that crowd figured it out so quickly? Because they'd already shared seven articles about it. We have extremely liberal crowds. Like they fucking, and again, I mean, I'm extra woke. I stayed up on it. They already have T-shirts made about it.

It just didn't occur to me, you know. In terms of liberal progressism, they're like the highest type of coffee. They're like that extra dark rice, four shots of espresso. Oh, yeah, dude. Without a doubt. And that's high, it's not an insult. Right. That's what we got.

That's not an insult. I wish I could be that way. Us and our people. It seems exactly. exhausting, right? It does. That's how that's where that Burger King why y'all thinks I'm tired all the time?

Why am I always sleepy? Yeah. Because you're a piece of shit. It's nothing to do you being pretentious or woke. It's super exhausted being diswitious and woke all the time. Have I called you the sleepiest woke motherfucker ever on this podcast? I like you have, but it's always good to do it again. Yeah, it always, yeah, for sure.

I want those. That's one of my favorite jokes anybody's ever said about me in my life. I'm going to start selling. My favorite roast of me. I'm going to start selling T-Crowder t-shirts. Like, T-Crowder, the sleepiest woke motherfucker of all time. I'll make millions. But it's not as funny.

I don't think to people that don't know me personally and know how I'm always half asleep. Yeah, that's true. You know what? You said this is only, this is like sort of tangentially. I think all this is related. I think them groaning at that, you know what I mean? It's good that they're sensitive. That's obviously a thing we should be sensitive about that.

That fucking poor woman's husband died. And by the way, yeah, it's extremely fucked up. By the way, he said a fucked up thing to her, but the story's fucked up. I don't know if you've read about that, but like they went in with bad intel. They had some sort of contractor picking them up. It wasn't even a U.S. military helicopter picking him up. He got left. He was still alive probably.

So it's a super fucked up story. But I think it's all connected in terms of what we were talking about with Rose McGowan. I'm not going to look a black person in the face and be like, you should be okay with Rose McGowan tweeting that. No. I'm not, like, that's not my point. But I'm also going to sit here and say, this woman got raped. Dude. She made a mistake and she apologized about it.

If we're doing politics and we're trying to win, can we just. relax a little. And I know someone's going to say, you're a white man, it's easier for you to say. Sure, it's easy for me to say. Maybe it's hard for you to say. Take a hundred tweets that were tweeted

negatively about Rose McGowan. Take a hundred of them. 98 of them were white people. Right. Like, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that a black person wouldn't be offended by that,

but I genuinely do believe that I was like, maybe the average. Offended on behalf of. Dude, I know, but I'm saying like, gold medal in the fucking, and this, by the way,

also is me generalizing, but I feel like most black people when they saw that were just like, oh, here's this bullshit again. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they're used to a white woman trivializing their fucking... But also, also, what she just said, what that... They are. But that little thing was

probably at the very bottom of the egregious shit that has happened to them that week. You know what I'm saying? Like, that don't even register. Right, well, maybe. But they just don't give... Like, because you... I was going to say there's a big difference between, you know, you, it's not the same thing to be okay with her saying that shit.

Like you said, I'm not going to tell a black person you just need to be okay with that because of it. There's a difference between that and like seeing it and being like, well, that's fucked up, but not fucking going on a goddamn witch hunt over, you know what I mean? You're just as bad as Harvey. I mean, I've always been with Woody Allen on witch hunts. We ought not start those. Can you believe he said that shit?

What did he say? What response to the Harvey Weinstein? said stuff? I didn't see that. His response was, I'm just nervous now that there's going to be a huge witch hunt. Well, that was a stupid thing for him to say. Why in God's name would he... Would he say anything? Especially, yeah, what I should have said was nothing. Mike Reboglu. But yeah, that's a fucking... Oh, geez, I hope they don't start bringing up things about me now. That would be horrible. That hasn't happened in three decades. Is it one of those just like untouchable things? Like, it has to be, right? Where it's like... He's just like, do it.

you know like well we're just it would it never even enters into his mind for even a second that like well it might amount to something so who gives a fuck what he's creative harvey monstein's not narcissists yeah right i would say that he has a tough time seeing past himself and that helps him make great movies but makes him a dickhead we got sidetracked i don't know what the fuck was we talking about y'all seen louis new the trailer for louis new movie it fucked me up because of all the allegations related to him the timing is so fucking it's wild he's not stupid he did well well Well, dude, I don't think he knew when he started making the movie that all this shit was going to... But his shit was going on.

But it's not like he isn't self-aware about the situation. He made it while his shit was going on. That's true, but like a lot of people were saying like it was... A lot of people were like, you know, this trailer is... We know, people listening right now don't know what it's about probably. That's probably true. The movie? Yeah, the trailer. Oh, okay, go ahead, yeah.

First of all, the allegate... Well, so, all right, so Louis C.K., surely you know this is like, considered by many to be the best stand-up comedian on earth right now, and he's fucking phenomenal. and make shows and movies and shit too. He's had some allegations against him from... No. Allegation means a person has claimed he has done a thing to them. There are rumors.

Right. No one has ever publicly, as far as I know. No one person. There was a female comedian who made a description of a comedian who had done this thing to her. And it sounded very, very, very much like Louis. No. But then she said later, that's not who I was talking about. But also, she didn't say it happened to her.

She said it happened to two friends of her. So she's nervous about going on the road with him. And as Fred Durs said, it's all about he said, she said bullshit. Well, it sounds like we're defending Louis, and I want everyone out there listening, if you don't know anything about the story, to be clear. This is all true what you're saying. Because all this is true, and it's important to this conversation about what we're about to talk about with his trailer. But also, though, at the same time, you don't have to defend somebody if you don't know at present if they've ever even done shit.

On the other hand, like, and again, this is all just whatever, just shit that has been said. But, like, you know, he, he released Tignato's awesome special about her having cancer and all that. Like, they were, like, a lot of mutual respect and tight shit in that way. He executive produces her show. Right. And they, and they had a falling out because of all this shit, too. And, like, they were buddies and all this. They also had a fallen out because she accused of stealing a scene from her.

He put a sketch that he wrote on Saturday Night Live that was literally lifted from her show about a clown. So it's extremely murky, basically, but there have been rumors and shit. And this was Roseanne Barr's point, too, with her little beef with him, was there's so many rumors you have to address it. Or there's smoke, there's fire thing. They didn't even say there's fire. They said, Louis, you have to come and do something with this. It sucks.

And instead of that, he puts a movie out. Well, first he says, I'm not going to address that. Those are rumors. I'm not going to. I'm just not talking about it. And then he puts a movie out, go ahead. This is the part I don't know as much about it. The movie is called, I love you, Daddy.

And in it, he plays a, as he often does, a pretty clearly, like, version of himself. But in the movie, it's like this old veteran screenwriter and whatever, has been in Hollywood for forever that has a teenage daughter who wants to be an actress, and she starts messing with maybe to whatever extent you don't know. this like 60 year old legendary filmmaker that louis's character you know kind of knows uh obviously because he's a lead i mean he's fucking woody allen basically yeah daughter starts fucking around with woody allen and he and you know and that that's what the movie's about but it's uh don't hit for him well i mean no it's his daughter and it don't hit for him but it's still like

he's said it like it's obvious what why don't it hit for him because he's old or because the rivals or what she's young and he's like 16 and it's gross like it's like 16? Yeah. I miss that part. Teenage daughter and like a 60-something-year-old film director guy. No. I don't know many dads that would still be cool with that.

Hell no. They'd be like, well, he's fucked that. He's older than me, you know? Hell no. The dad was... I ain't got daughters, but still, fuck that. Yeah. But that's what the movie's about, and a lot of people are just like, good Lord.

The time... Even though his character in the movie is the one that's like, oh, this is fucked up and I don't like it. It's still just the subject matter in general, you know, a lot of people are like, Louis, he's like 50. So there are much more substantiated things about that he does like, you know, 25-year-olds. I wonder if this movie is like him looking at his own daughters and being like, huh,

I wonder if I would be a hypocrite if they did what I do with these younger women. Right. And that's the kind of thing he does do all the time. I'm sure he probably explores that type of shit. that movie probably it wouldn't surprise me all i mean i've seen is the trailer but i'm saying i mean louis usually you know louis usually don't pull no fucking punches he explores shit pretty honestly normally so i pulls his dick out in front of women right that's the allegations by the way is that he exposes himself to ladies now i said allegations after correcting you it's a it's a rumor this is

fucked up jesus christ i well fuck whatever we don't know what happened with louis what we should be talking about is in my opinion This Rose McGowan stuff and the culture that we have right now, things are not great. I'm not pretending that they are. But it has to have improved a little bit, right? Why do you have that bullshit grin on your face? Wait, do you mean you said culture? I just realized that this is our culture.

You meant what? Whereas like, you know, like when Irish people have a fucking, you know, awesome pubs and that fucking whole shit. American culture, because we're saying, American culture is this. Well, that's one thing that has always weirded me out about quote unquote rape. Just horse shit. Like, that's what we're known for is fucking garbage horseshit. It's going to sound like I'm trying to be extra woke. But I've always felt this way.

I've been like, isn't that just our culture? Yeah, and it sucks. Like, if we're sitting around, we're going like, you know, rape culture, like the way, you know, guys will joke about putting roofies in girls. So America. I'm like, that's just culture. Yeah, that's just our shitty culture. Yeah, right. But are we, what I'm saying is?

What I'm saying is. And I don't know. But are we really any work. in that way than anywhere else because I know there's plenty of other places that are way worse than us. It depends on where you're talking about. I'm talking about even like the Western world. Oh, yeah. I bet we're,

I would imagine we're pretty well on a par. That don't make it okay, but I'm saying, I don't think it's a fucking American thing. I have no idea. It's a human, it's a human, it's a human, it's a human.

It's a human, dude thing, you know, I don't know. That seems to be correct to me, but I'm just curious, like, where are we headed? Where are we now? Pepi La Pue, doll, he wasn't American.

That was an American creation. Oh, damn, that's the pale bit. Pepe. God damn. What kind of fucking rapist is this guy? See, sometimes you've got to take the pussy like, Pepey. No. No.

No. This guy is funny. But I'm wondering. I mean, do you think, you've already kind of said yes. You think Rose McGowan, she's going to. If she wants to, you know, I don't know that somebody's going to, it'd be so Hollywood for somebody to be like, hey, Strikewell Iron's hot, Rose. why don't you.

No, that's exactly. You know what I mean? Like, it's gross. Like, I guarantee you someone. I know. That's my point. Agents and managers are having meetings right now. Like, our girl didn't get that one thing that Weinstein was the producer of.

Let's spin it like this and that, which is disgusting. But I'm just curious. How's that going to play out? I don't know, man. And like, again, like, I say I've always liked Rose McGowan. I'm a big fan of the movie Ready to Rumble. That's as far as that goes. And she was the head nitro girl.

So that's as far as that. That's as far as that goes. But like if this obviously happened to her, I fucking want her to have a career, especially if she got buried. But then like... You know who I don't like and I could see doing this in a craven? And maybe something happened to her. She's already claimed one thing happened to her.

Winnipey. Winnet Paltrow said that he came on to her in a very gross way. And then Brad Pitt. And Brad Pitt took care of it. Yeah, Brad Pitt, like, threatened to kill him or something like that? She's an icon for a type of thing that I don't care for, which is... She's a lunatic. Yes.

Oh, God. That is such a fucking, like, goop and all that. Sugar-coated way of you saying that, because what she's an icon of is one of the worst things on earth outside of, like, things that hurt people. Yeah, all that goop shit, dude. That whole fucking, like, you should take a year off after you have a kid. I agree. They actually do hurt people, too, actually.

They sell, like, vagina stones and shit that fuck up women's internal chemistry. What's a vagina stone? Is that like a whiskey stone? Ask Gwyneth, dog. That's real, though. Like they've like caused actual damage to people with their stupid bulls. You know how like you put a brick in your bathtub to make the water rise? Uh-huh.

I don't know. A filler. What? I don't know. No, I'm just trying to figure out what a vagina stone would be. Yeah, I also want to know what a vagina stone would be. Okay.

Well, y'all, keep talking, say what you're going to say about goodness. I'll tell you in just a minute. She seems particularly situated to step in that role. I don't know what I'm trying to say. I feel uncomfortable saying it because it sounds so disgusting.

What I'm really saying is Hollywood, you guys like money. That's the only thing. ever gotten you guys to do anything, take this opportunity to make some money off, fucking elevating a female hero to take down the fucking... You can't assault people sexually anymore, do the next best thing, exploit it for money. Right. I'm not saying, I want you to do that.

No, you're right. I know you're going to do a version of that. Do it the right way. No, but it would help. I mean, like, it's very opportunistic for them, but at the same time... That's how they are. That's how they are. And if they're going to be that way, then the world does need to see this.

Right. And there does need to be that platform. I fucking 100% agree with you. I mean, it's, I don't like it when there's a, what? What's the vagina? Oh, God. Are you, do you want me to say? Yes, I don't.

I didn't really have anything else to say. Sorry, because I was reading this and I didn't hear what y'all were just saying. Before it was blacking out. I was. Okay. So, this week, the Goop published a three-part post that a team. Goop. Yeah.

That's the, you didn't know that? You don't know that's the name of her thing. That's the name of her brand. Goop to me is like, I would assume that was like a goo-goo cluster or something. I can't believe. that you don't know somebody who has a subscription of that magazine. I know. Me neither. You think it'd be, I know, it's a problem. Well, I probably do. I just haven't. I saw goop.com.

Anyway, this week, the site published a three-part post that attempted to rebut the blowback it receives for dubious products, including a $66. Jade Egg, women are told to insert into their vaginas. Oh, it's Jade? And then recharge with the power of a full moon. That's how they're supposed to work. Oh, wait, is it upperclass witch shit? I mean, yeah, man. Oh, no, I thought it was like...

I mean, no, they don't say that. They don't... Yeah, dog. That's way more people you would know than me. No, no, no, no, son. The witches I know. It's not... I'm just saying the women I fuck with,

they ain't like, put a what in my pussy, hell no. To me, that's an accurate way of describing it, but that's not what... I think it is, to them, it is more of a, like you said, like a they don't consider it witch shit at all

the moon gonna recharge a rock it's like a fucking that ain't which that's a whole like that's a level below brooms I don't know what else you

it's all the dude it's fucking I'd love to see somebody go through it's a boiling pot brooms warts rocks that get charged by the moon

I'd love to see somebody go to airport security with that shit they were just like what is this they're like it's a you know what

it's heroin take me to jail I can't I can't say out loud what this is they apparently the jade eggs were supposed to quote help cultivate sexual energy uh yeah because you rub it against your clad when you put like what no you shove it up here's how capitalism works they sell one thousand dollar toilet wipes

for a little while and then it ruins everything oh okay just in general yes i thought you meant like you know when the the pussy egg first came out no it was a it was like and then gwyneth paltrow got a hold of it now it's just shambles i'm talking about which man Okay, yeah Yeah, dude. First came out, people was like, we're going to have some spells, eat some noots,

fucking the woods. I agree with you. Fire. Anyway, all I'm saying is, Big Witch should have never been a thing. All I'm saying is, when you said that,

when you said that, and I said yes. They don't hit. They don't. But like, when you said that, I was like, yes,

because that is a very good way of describing it, but I'm saying that's not what they're going for. What they're going for is just like, New Age. New Age.

New Age. rich white women privileged fucking gluten free vegan bullshit positive energy and oras and all that type of stuff

it was gluten free vegan I thought though it was also like and this is what shirt you should wear on after Labor Day or whatever there might be an element of that

I'm not I don't know I'm not sure all I'm really familiar with is the insane products that they sell that are all that kind of thing but yet to call it fucking super upper

class which is pretty accurate to me. Anna's shaking her head a lot. I feel like we should introduce her briefly. So we, y'all, let her comments.

Y'all are familiar with, so here you go. Y'all are familiar with W.R. Brown, who's been on the show a couple times before, buddy of ours. We're in Eugene Oregon right now. His daughter, Anna,

is an undergrad at the University of Oregon, and she's in the green room with us, filming, capturing some of this for a documentary project that she is doing. That will never be released. Well, it's not supposed to. It's a fucking project.

But anyway, So Anna's been here the whole time doing her thing, but Drew has noticed that, and she is a white woman, so let's defer to Anna Brown. I've just been talking about the whole time. Shut up, sit over there. So what's your question? First of all, what is Goop? Goop is Gwyneth Paltrow's website. Yes.

Is it also a magazine? I don't believe so I think it's like a blog from what I gather. Okay. Um, living in L.A. I do know some people who subscribe to her stuff. And what is she peddling? Vigina eggs. But, but what brand of crazy shit? It's her own brand.

It's literally, it's like, like, rich white women who, like, don't know, like, they want to be healthy and they want to, like, get their life together, but they want to feel like they're, like, better than everyone else. Okay. So she sells, like, love potions or, like, energy potions for, like, a ridiculous amount of money and people will just buy it. but is it do you would you call it more hippie or more no it's not just really hip it's gentrified hippie if that was yeah it's anthropology up a level yes it's like the anthropology store like on crack yeah uh on uppers we'll say the zoloft yes of course okay but yeah i um go her let her do her thing of course sure and i mean well other than hurting people fuck her to death for that oh yeah of course all right well okay so now i'm

really going to put you on the spot then circling back to what we've been talking about um i'm going to make some assumptions about you okay you either identify as a feminist or support at least their goal which is equality yes of course how do you feel what's going on you're a millennial yes intersectional feminism go um oh wow okay that's intersectional okay specifically rose mcgowan yes comparing being a woman to use of the n word yeah then apologizing and then some people being like your apology's not good enough white women stay doing this to us I feel like a lot of millennials and a lot of people that I went to high school with um they get upset and offended by things and then they're like they always preach like oh we need to listen to each other that's how

we move forward but then when people apologize they don't they don't accept it like do you know who Jeffrey Starr is for an example he's a beauty YouTuber yeah we are very old yeah he is like huge his own makeup line but there were videos of him like 12, 10 years ago, I'm not really sure on the date, like using racial slurs and being very racist and gross and it's disgusting. And those videos resurfaced on the internet when he became popular. And then he made like a 13 minute long video saying like that was wrong. I'm so sorry. Like I was ignorant. That was not okay with me. Like owning up to his shit and fully apologizing. Did you buy it? Well, it doesn't make it okay. What he still did was

no, I mean, did you buy that he was sorry? Yes. From what I, from what I could tell from the from the video picture. But I still know people who are like, that's not enough. I'm like, what can you, like, when it's the past, is the past, when people say things and they apologize, like, that's all they can do. Do you think when they say it's not enough that they're saying it's not good enough that he did that, or do you think they didn't buy it? I don't know.

I feel like people just like to be mad at things. Yep. Without a doubt. So I think that's just part of it. But with Rose McGowan, I think she is definitely, like, Brandon herself as a feminist, which is obviously incredible. Like, Beyonce's my idol. She's a feminist.

That's great. But I feel like she pushes it to an extent that comes across as men hating sometimes, which is why I think feminism has a bad name. Okay. Like, I know my friends call it Tumblr feminism. Tumblr is a website. Well, that's a let's very sweet, what you just did. We don't know who Jeffrey Starr is, but we know what Tumblr is.

She thinks we're so fucking old. No, he's tough. And why, man, we are, yeah, you take it, anyway, go ahead. But yeah, because it's, it's like, they take it to an extreme. And the basis of it is equality. Like, that's literally all it is. Sure. So, like, when, like, dumb-ass frat guys are like, you're a feminist.

I'm like, yes, what, are you not? Like, what, it's 2017. Right. Like, I don't, I don't understand. But I feel like people get angry and they want, I mean, obviously, everyone, she has a right to be angry. I think a lot of women have a right to be angry at the way our society is. nowadays, but I feel like people need to take a step back and realize what it's about and it's not about themselves. You know what I mean?

Sure. I agree completely. I mean, we taught before on the podcast about how I don't think liberals, and it depends on the situation, but like, I don't think liberals really believe in like second chances or redemption or whatever for a lot of things. And like, that should be a very liberal ideal. You know what I mean? Is the idea of redeeming yourself and getting second chances and whatnot? And I think in a lot of cases, that's bullshit.

Like, for most liberals, it's bullshit. And they don't really feel that way. Like, with the dude, you were talking about which I don't know anything about that story other than what you just told me about it. But, like, you know, in that instance, or when we talked about before on the podcast, it was with Michael Vic.

But, like, you just see that type of shit all the time. And, like, obviously also conservative just dude to fuck out of that, too. But like, I don't expect anything else. from them. You know what I mean? Well, that's the thing. It ain't about them right now. I mean, the reason I started this conversation, I feel like virtue signaling and

call out culture is starting to become a little bit of a contest. It is. For sure. And the reason I'm bringing up is not to take part in that and be like, well, I'm better than all of you because I'm calling you out for calling people out. I am saying we're losing and this is

one of the reasons why. Rose McGowan was ignorant in that statement. But like, do we just get rid of person who's taking on fucking Hollywood who's a literal rape victim because of that? Is she just worthless now? And anyway, that's... We got interrupted a little bit.

We got to go deal with something it sounds like. Sorry. We have to go deal with something. McCoy was going to deal with it. Well, on college campuses, on yours, I should just ask. Is that a conversation that's taking place? What exactly?

Just like... Call out culture? And what it means? Um, yeah, I know that, um, it gets, it gets brought up a lot because I feel like, I was actually talking about talking about this with my dad earlier on the phone. Um, talking about how like frat boys, obviously I'm not trying to generalize anyone of a lot of my friends are frat boys. I love them all.

Tracy, you can, frat boy in the group, so generalize them away. You feel free to talk whatever shit you want about frat boys. Corey didn't, never stop my dad. I'll tell you that much. Corey didn't go to college. And not only did I not join a frat, I used to refuse to pay money when I went to their parties. I would bring my own six-pack. Go ahead. Okay. Well, that's good. But again, say whatever

fuck you want about them. But I feel like one-on-one, at least all the guys I'm friends with, are genuinely great people. Like, I love all of them. And I think when you go, like, okay, so there's like frat parties and there's house parties and house parties aren't associated with frats, right? So you go and it's not... Now she explains how, what frat

and house parties is. This is great. It's actually very endearing, it's super endearing. It's like sweet. Because, yeah, because she's being sincere. Right. Oh, I'm sorry. A house party is where how do I explain this to these... People get together and they drink a adult beverages. You know, friends? You guys remember friends?

Yeah. Not the show, but having them. Anyway, go ahead. So at a house party, it's not all the guys in one frat, right? So it's not the pack mentality. But when you go to frat parties, girls are always like, it's creepy because, well, I mean, obviously different frats are different. But, like, it's because it's this pack mentality.

It's like, when all the guys get together, they think it's okay to, like, say shit or do shit because, like, oh, my bro's going to back me up, you know? You mean, gross shit. Yeah. Like, I was at a party one time. Gross or scary? Both. I was at a party one time and single ladies came on by Beyonce.

And I love her. I know all of her dances. So I start doing the dance. And some guy starts doing the dance with me. Right? And I'm like, okay, this is dope. We're dancing. Having a good time.

They take his dick out. What? Single ladies. How disrespectful to Beyonce and me and me. But like, I'm laughing because that's hilarious what you just said. But that's a salt. Yeah.

I know. Like that's, definitely illegal. Oh, definitely illegal. But like... But it's like... But it's like... It's like when girls call guys out for shit like that,

usually... I mean, here, thankfully, it's a very progressive campus, I think. And we have... We're ranked, like, I think, in the top for sexual violence prevention. That's a fucking list. Well, it's not like... The top ten don't get raped here.

It's not like a list. It's like... Lord. I mean, it's important. It's super important. It's not. And also I think she said, I think what she said is they're near the top of, with sexual violence prevention, which I would imagine is measured by the. Lack thereof.

No, no, I bet it's not. I bet it's measured by the programs and shit that they have and the things, the proactive measures they take to, like, keep it from happening. I'm not angry about any of that. My response was that we live in a place that is so scary, that a young COVID student like yourself is like, no, I need to see the list of how they're dealing with. Yeah. Anyway, go ahead. No, it's, it's ridiculous. And it's, I'm glad they're doing it.

It's upsetting that they have to. Yeah. But it's like when girls call guys out, not necessarily making real accusations. If someone, like, if a girl was sexually assaulted and, like, went to the board, like, our school deals with that. They handle it very well. And people, from what I can tell, get, I don't say what they deserve, but they get repercussions for their actions. But usually, you know, if a guy says something stupid, like makes a dumb sexist jokes or something. And some girls like, hey, don't fucking say that.

Or like, fuck you. He's like, oh, what? You're, like, dramatic. Or, like, you know, girls will be like, oh, tell their emotional or they're being dramatic or, like, get the fuck over it. Or, like, it's not a big deal. But with guys, like, if a girl says something, like,

I don't know, wrong or, like, racist or anything, and they get called out, everyone's like, oh, she's a bitch. Like, that girl's a bitch. But guys don't get the same label necessarily. So I think it's, it takes a lot more strength, I think, for a girl to call people out on their bullshit, especially, I think, is, like, a call. a college student because you're going to get people to be like, oh, well, you're a bitch.

Like, people call me a bitch all the time because I'm honest. Right. But it's like, and I don't think it's necessarily something that people talk about enough to change it, but people talk about like, oh, yeah, that sucks. Next. You know what that actually kind of reminded me of? And it's that whole pack mentality thing or whatever. You started that out by saying, I know a lot of frat boys and most of the ones that I know

are very, they're sweet guys one-on-one. You know, they're good dudes individually. but then they all get together like that's exactly how I feel about like the fucking redneck dudes in Salina you know what I mean? It's like you hang out with these dudes

you know what I mean just me and them and they're totally reasonable and fine which makes me more inclined to like defend them and shit but then they go to some you know Confederate flag rally or whatever and they all get together and then next thing you know they're fucking Highland Hitler and shit I mean it's fucking insane man but and then this question is

It's not hypothetical, but I'm not expecting anyone to give me, like, this is the answer. I'm saying for purposes of this conversation. So what's the, I don't want to say middle ground. You're talking, I was bringing up that our political call-out culture is making the left sort of eat itself. And you were agreeing, but then you were saying, yeah, but in some instances, call-it culture doesn't go far enough because people get ostracized for doing it. What do we do? Well, I don't know. I think there's, I think there's a middle ground because, like, okay, for example, I'll tell a story that I probably shouldn't, but I'm going to anyway. Does your dad know about that dance whore thing?

Probably. I think so. No, I went through a self-defense class. Like, I'm fine. I'm fine. Yeah, no, they know. But I had a friend, and she is very, very liberal. Always happened. Great. Her and I grew up together. And on Cinco de Mayo, someone posted posters all over, campus, my culture is not your costume. Stop appropriating. With pictures of like, you know, traditional Mexican people wearing Mexican clothing and then

white people in sombreros. And I think there's definitely a point to that. I think that's important. I saw those posters when I was intoxicated. So I took a picture of them and posted them on my private Instagram account making some ignorant comment that I probably shouldn't have. But

I did that. So then she called me out and she was like, okay, well, like, they're making a point. Like, don't, don't you know, don't diminish that because you have privilege. And I was like, okay, I mean, she's right. That was stupid of me. But then she continues to attack me. And she's like, you need to reevaluate your white privilege.

I mean, she's white too. And like, all this stuff and starts going off on me. And I was like, you're right. I'm sorry. I'm like, I'm not going on to some bro. I just want to drink tequila and eat tacos with my friends and have a good time. Like I understand that what I did was wrong, right? And then she starts, she keeps going at me.

And I'm like, Caitlin, this is a private Instagram account. Like, there's no need for you to attack me. And then she goes, oh, is there another platform? form you'd like me to educate you on. Which is what she wanted. Exactly. Exactly. That's what she wanted. And I feel like there's a point that yes, I did say something ignorant, and I deleted my post later

and I felt stupid because that was dumb. But it's like, I know people that call people out, it's because they want to win. It's not because they want to say like, oh, you've done something wrong and you should apologize. It's, I'm better than you and you're an ignorant person, and you need to know that. And everyone needs to know that I'm better, and I'm more woke.

Well, and I love winning. I was about to say, when you said, When you said, like, I know people that call people just because they want to win, I was like, I mean, I do the same. My dad does that all the time. Name one example. And here's why I'm bringing that up. I used to do that all the time before y'all knew me. And maybe I have done it in the past or with you, like, unknowingly or accidentally.

But, like, one thing I learned about myself that I had this flaw that I needed to work. I love to win. And I will do anything to win. But I stopped creating scenarios just to win because that's so fucking shitty. You know what I mean? Where you just like, there's no reason for me to insert my. I just want to go win. Remind me again what you were doing with the post that you made in the first place.

You took a picture of these PSAs. And I was just, I just commented something like, oh, someone's trying to take the fun out of Cinco de Mayo. I was drunk when I posted it. So like, I don't, like, I just, that's not an excuse to be an ignorant person. But like, I was. I've used to buy it. Yeah, exactly.

But, okay, do you guys know the podcast conversations with people who hate me? No. There's this guy. I don't know what a name is. I'm just kidding. Go ahead. Okay. He does all the unboxing videos on Facebook. Have you seen them like unboxing, like white privilege or unboxing, like those concept

videos? They're amazing. I think I've seen those. So we're going to pretend. I know what actual unboxing videos are like, you know, for. Yeah, but it's a riff on that. It's a concept. So like unboxing rape culture.

He'll do that. But obviously he gets a lot of negative feedback. People are always saying shit. It's the internet, you know? Yeah. Tell me about it. Oh, yeah. And on his podcast, he tells his thing where he'll call.

call those people on Skype and be like, so you commented this and they have a conversation. And it's like 30 minutes long, I think. And it's never, he never, it's not about him pointing a finger. It's saying he's like in this culture and I feel like what we need to just do is talk about things. And like obviously a conservative is not going to agree with a liberal on a lot of things, but it's about being open and having the conversation and not just ostracizing them for having different beliefs and different values.

And I think that's just. Well, good on. Good on that guy for that because, like, I had to stop just engaging with trolls at all very early on because I'd tell you right now if I did that. I agree also, conversations important or whatever. If I Skype to some old boy that called me a queer on YouTube or whatever, I guarantee you within five minutes. I'd be yelling. Like, well, how big a boy are you, God damn it? Oh, yeah.

You know what? You want to find out? Yeah, I'll tell you what. Where about you at, motherfucker? Well, let me ask you this, though. I'll be in Alabama for long. This is definitely a devil's advocate question. I acknowledge that.

But is there a limit to what you just, I agree with you. first of all, like about talking about things. But then sometimes I read things or I think about the idea, for example, of like, hey, stop hugging Nazis, punch him or whatever. And I'm like, I don't know if I think we should punch him because of how that makes this look in the media. And then young kids are going to be like, well, everybody's evil. You know what I mean? Because I think about my nephews. You know, one of them is 12 and he's like, yeah, you know, I saw this guy punched this other guy and I thought it was wrong.

So then we had to have a conversation about what a Nazi is. And I'm like, I'm not saying that that guy punching him was right, but it doesn't make the other guy right just because he got punched. Did you buy him Wolfenstein for the Xbox, Drew, and play it? No, since you're that long. It's a super bloody fucking Nazi killing game. Drew's always taking his, like, 10-year-old nephews to R-rated movies and buying them tickets to... My dad did that. Buying tickets to adults-only comedy shows and shit.

I got them tickets to see Fluffy, Gabriel Iglesias, because it's the 10-year-old's favorite comedian. And I thought he was being clean. Not only was he not clean, they had a contest to get a free t-shirt, who can fit in this t-shirt. And apparently, there was five male contest. in one woman and the woman got her titties out. My 10 and 12 year old nephews. But dude, you're the fucking, you're the uncle.

You know you're supposed to do that shit. But yeah, it's funny to me. It's like, this guy got punched and that seems weird to me. And you're like, well, let me tell you about Nazis. We're going to start with a little movie called Inglorious Bastards. You're going to love it. Me being a shitty or a good uncle is up for debate.

I'm just wondering, is there a line with that? Like, are there people that you don't engage with? I'm just curious your opinion about it Well I feel like so I All my family's from the South And obviously there's a lot of different opinions On certain things and I've been told from a very young age To not talk about politics at Thanksgiving or Christmas

And you know sometimes I'll get it brought up And like my mom will like squeeze me and be like Don't say anything but I always do because obviously But I think But my like my parents raised me To really try to be compassionate I think And I feel like what's missing a lot

in this day and age is like listening to people. So like, for example, all of my friends always come to me for advice. I'm kind of like, I say I'm the older sister of the group. I still need to be taken care of sometimes, but I'm like the older sister. And I always like try to tell them like, okay, yeah, this person said something shittier. Yeah, this person like, fuck to your ex-boyfriend. But it's not, you need to not see it from your perspective. You need to, it's not about, okay, you need to understand where the other person is coming from,

not to give them the excuse, not to be like, oh, well, you know, her aunt died. She's going through a hard time. That's okay. No, it doesn't make what she did okay. It just gives you context. And I think with context, it's easier for you to, like, understand and comprehend what they did. You know what I mean? Does that make any sense?

I believe the children are the... I think America's fine. God damn it. I hope you run for Senator. Yeah. That was amazing. Jason Isbell says, still got faith, and I don't know why. maybe it's the fire in my little girl's eyes.

Well, I think what you're saying is have empathy, but when someone says you should have empathy for your enemy, they're not saying you should say it's okay that they do certain things. Exactly, exactly. And I, you know, in high school I had some people who were not, we were not friends, and we were notoriously just not friends, and we would fight a lot and stuff. And I remember after high school,

she actually ended up working on a cruise ship and, like, traveling the world and singing, And she's like, singing is her dream. And her and I used to be friends, and then we weren't. But I, like, texted her when I found out, and I was like, hey, I know that you and I haven't had the best past or whatever, but I just want you to know that, like, I'm really proud of you and I'm really happy that you have gotten out of your house and you're not doing what you love. And she was like, oh, my God, thank you.

Like, that's so nice. And then the next day I saw her, or not the next time, but the next time I saw her, like, she thought I was avoiding her and she started crying, apparently. And I was like, I have no hard feelings against you. You know what I mean? I just think, I think people, bad things happen and people, try to latch onto it and leaves it as a chip on their shoulder. And you just need to like move on.

Oh, yeah. Let it go. Can be walking around with a chip on your shoulders. That's my entire life is. So this question is for, I'm a walking chip on my own shoulder. This question I guess is for anybody, but I'll start with you, Tray, though.

I agree with what you said, but I'm wondering where the line is because, you know, do we ask Mexican Americans to empathize with somebody who's calling them a wetback and to go back to their country? because they took their job. Okay, I'm not going to tell them to do that, but there are, like,

there's that one guy who's gotten semi-famous for, he's just a black dude who has converted, like, 75 KKK members or whatever. They're like doing that type of shit. But again, I'm not going to tell a Mexican guy, like, hey, man, hear him out. But that, to me, is like, when he tells you to go back or whatever. I have so many problems with those articles about that guy.

You can't ask, First of all, you can't ask any kids to be that way. I'm not. I know that. And you really can't ask anyone to be that way. Like, that's not a terrible. But I think that is cool what that guy's done. That's a cool story or whatever.

Sure. But I opened that by saying, no, you can't tell. I'm never going to tell people in that position like, well, this is what you need to do. But at the same time, we've spent a lot of our public career telling people to empathize with Trump supporters. And I stand by that, generally speaking. But when I see Richard Spencer marching in the social. streets. And I'm like, yeah, I don't think we should empathize with that guy. Hell no. But where where's that line? He's an obvious example. You know what I mean? Okay, that's what we don't do.

And then, I don't know, someone who got fired from their factory job and they blamed everything on NAFTA and they voted for Trump. That's an obvious example of someone you should empathize with. But let's go into the middle there. Like, this is where we start losing people. Because I've seen it. I've seen it on Facebook a lot where people are like, there's a thing coming out right now where a black guy hugs an all right marcher and i've seen quite a few of my black friends share it and be like white people i ain't doing this and fuck you for asking me to and i'm like yeah i don't i don't know what the answer is there i don't think it's necessarily our job to fix all the assholes in the world but if we don't deal with them if we keep just calling everybody an asshole we're going to

keep losing people do you know what i mean yeah this is you just reminded me this because i remember thinking it was super funny. When Obama tweeted about John McCain getting cancer and how he was a great American and a patriot and just typical Obama super classy fashion, that was one of the top posts on Black people Twitter on Reddit and, you know, about how, hey, this is what a president should act like was the point of it, but one of the top comments was like, okay, yeah, I mean, I hear you and everything, but low-key Jeff Sessions get cancer, I'm popping bottles. And, you know, I mean, I, like, yeah.

That, dude, fuck Nazis. They don't hit. I feel like, I think people just need to remember that, like, for me, it's, I will respect your opinion as long as your opinion doesn't disrespect someone's existence. Right. So, like, I was going to say hate, but I knew where he was going to go from that, which is valid, which is that, like, I've known people who fucking genuinely think they don't have hate in their heart for nobody, but they still don't think gay people should be able to get married or whatever. so it's still a gray area because my first thought was, well, you draw the line of hatred.

Like when they're actively hating other people, well, fuck all that, but it's not that simple. Or like, yeah, another gray area. I always run up against this. I used to be a, you guys were making fun of me because I say this all the time,

but I'm telling you, I used to be a public defender, and I run up against, anytime I have a conversation with a conservative about the justice system, it's like I'm having a conversation with someone who doesn't believe

it's a racist system. Therefore, their voting record and the people that they're electing, they don't see it as a racist system, but I'm like, you're supporting something that is, in fact, racist. Do I ask black people to

just forgive them for that? You know what I mean? I don't know. It's hard. I just feel like people need to remember to be open-minded on both sides. It's like one, like for, you know, that example, like people don't realize they're being racist or sexist. Like, I run into that with my family members sometime, and it's just

because they're so close-minded that they just like, can't see the world outside of like themselves. Right. Like it comes right. What's your thought on that? Well, we've talked about it before. Like,

the idea that when it came to Trump voters and stuff in like the South or whatever like where we're from, the idea that like what was primarily motivating them was hating Mexicans and fucking women and all that shit, I always thought it was ridiculous

to assume that like I'm not saying that they don't have those. kinds of attitudes. I never once said that, but I always thought it was absurd to genuinely believe that however these people feel on racial things or whatever, that they would care more about Muslims in either direction than they care about

the fact that they haven't had work for fucking 12 years or whatever, you know what I mean? David Duke would be, David Duke would be the president. Obviously, there's something else going on. there and and because i completely agree with me and my wife talk about all the time because her her family my in-laws are white my family's actually i come from a family of liberal rednecks for

the most part but like my wife's family is very stereotypical in that way and they don't like they just don't they don't know they don't know any gay people they don't know any muslims they don't you know what i mean they've never encountered one in the wild because they don't go out into the wild like they're just they live in wang county and they know that they know what's up in Wayne County and those shit's gotten bad there and whatever else and like, you know what I mean? They don't, and it's still shitty to

not think about the struggles of other people. Again, as Jason Esbel says, there's no such thing as someone else's war. It's still shitty, but it's not malicious, though, I don't think, a lot of times. It's fucking, you know what I mean? It's just, it's pure

ignorance is what it is. It's ignorance in its purest form. And like, but that's not the same thing as hate No. We have to... Yeah, we are about to have to wrap up. Also, I wanted to say, I wanted to make sure we put out there, because Corey joked about it when we first gave the mic to Anna.

Before, again, Anna's here doing a thing for a project, and before we started recording, you know, we had a group... We were not, like, withholding the fucking mic from her purposely the whole time, whatever. She was doing... Because we were talking... We were talking about white woman shit, and she's sitting here the whole time, and we're just like...

I'm good. it could look that it could you know it could come across shitty i think if we don't point out that you know she was doing so we weren't yeah we weren't just like actively ignoring her or whatever i also wanted to ask you real quick before we go uh Beyonce okay you're a super fan I've gathered yes how did you feel I'm leaving right now because I have to pee and smoke a cigarette for the show thank you so much love you core of hanging out love y'all course how did you feel about those that most recent and it was still months ago, but those pregnancy pictures?

Okay, so when... Because to me, and I like Beyonce, but I saw that and I was like, oh, okay. All right, I don't know what you're talking about, and I'm gonna let one of you explain it to me before you give your opinion on it. Before we move on to that, which is definitely pop culture.

I just wanted to get her opinion on that before we closed. Right. I just wanted to wrap up that last thing and say, I think Papo Batman should get rid of all of the bad people in Hollywood. I'm not going to tell any black person they have to forgive Rose McGowan, but the left in general,

if we don't start getting in shame contests and virtue contests, we're going to die, and we're already getting beat by people who literally align with Nazis. That's how far behind we are. That's true. And then third,

I'm going to get a subscription to Goop because this sounds wild as hell. I'm trying to get me a vagina rock. It's hilarious. We end up continuing to hit and making a lot of money. You better keep Andy's ass off of Goop. us all I know.

I think it would offend her the way my dad feels about those TV preachers. My dad's a preacher. It's just like, he hates him more than I do. That's the TV preacher version of the shit that she is genuinely into, which is crystals and all that type of stuff. Right, maybe. Essential oils.

We'll dig in with her later. So what, you want me to explain to you, the Beyonce thing? Because you don't know about it. Do you want me to explain it? Yes. Well, I want your perception on it. Okay.

But, like, he's afraid you'll give your perception while you're explaining it. In the explanation. I know what's happening here. She's politicking. She wants to explain it to me so that then she can give her perception. I'll explain it. So, Beyonce, we can all agree with an American icon. We're getting a woman explained and it's hitting for me.

For sure. So when she was pregnant with her first child, Blue Ivy, she announced on the MTV VMAs during a performance. She dropped the mic and then like open her coat and everyone was like, oh shit, she's pregnant. And it was a big deal. So then Blue, I think, is not like four. And she had, she became pregnant with the twins. And she, like, kind of disappeared from the media for a while. And then she posted a picture on Instagram of her, like, with this big, like, veil.

Because you know she does, like, photo shoots, like, with her family or whatever. With, like, a big veil and, like, flowers all around her looking like a goddess. And, like... It was, yeah, a very goddess. Very over the top. Like a fertility goddess. Yes. A photo, a fertility goddess photo shoot.

Yes, that's what it was. So it was like a maternity. Beyonce, who, by the way, at least once in a time, was good friends with going a paltrow. Yeah, I used to have a bit about them too, actually. I think that's actually how I learned that. Go ahead. So, yeah, so she posted it, and then the twins were born, and it was like, she never really announced them until they turned one month. She posted a picture with the two of them, and it was a very similar photo of her, like, flowers all around, veil, holding the babies looking

like a goddess. So my... I want everyone out there listening to know that every time she calls Beyonce a goddess, she makes a very dramatic move. You have to say it with your hands. You have to like... You said it with your heart. Yes, of course.

You say it with your heart. But my opinion on it, I love Beyonce. I think I've seen her live twice and her shows are some of the most incredible form of artistry I've ever seen. The way she like combines her incredible singing talent with her dancing, stage production, it all tells a story. It's beautiful.

So I think she's very big on the whole story, you know? Theatrics. Yeah, theatrics. for sure. I think that's kind of what she's known for at this point. That's fair. Yeah. And like, okay, for example, her VMA performance while she was pregnant with the twins, she walked out in this like gold dress and it had the fertility goddess on it. And she had like this crown and she looked flawless.

But like it was very like stoic to a point that was very like cocky, which is chill because like she's Beyonce. But also I was like, people are going to see this and just assume that's what she's about. And she's not, because, like, I've seen her life. She can sing like no one else. And I think people will see these ostentatious over-the-top actions, and they'll just write it off as that, you know? And I don't think she gets the credit. So, like, for example, when the twins were announced,

I freaked out. And that night I went to a party and on the way home, I yelled in the streets, Beyonce's having twins on the top of my lungs. So when he brought it up, I was like, yeah, my friends, literally they bring it up all the time because, like, they hated me for it. But I don't know. I think she has gotten,

she is at the point of fame. Like, I think she's at level of like Michael Jackson and his prime. Like she is, I'm not saying like necessarily talent or like, you know, wise because Michael Jackson's, no,

I mean, that's a fair comparison. But like fame wise. Everyone knows who. I think she might be the biggest act in the world. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, she probably, yeah.

But how? We compete. Maybe Kanye? No. Not anymore. Kanye maybe like 2010. Right. I'm old.

Sorry. It's okay. But no, I think she's at the level of stardom where she can drop albums out of nowhere and it become number one. She can announce her twins with the most beautiful fertility shoot anyone has ever seen because she can. So that's how she feels about it. I was about saying. So there's your opinion of the photos. Anyone's ever seen.

It was my wallpaper on my phone. See, there you go. What is your perception? Well, like, dude, I got nothing but love for Beyonce, right? It's not my type of. music, but I got a shitload of respect for, you know, Beyonce hits for me. But, like, when I saw that, I had a, you know, I was kind of like, no, come, get me a fucking break. It's too much or whatever?

Yeah, I thought it was too much. I'm going. I'm going to look them up. And they're like. I'm going to look them up right now. Y'all keep going. But, but then on the other hand, though, there is part of me that is kind of like, well, you know, the concept of a diva has been a thing for a lot. long time

and it's like you know what I mean like it's part of that's just what you're that's how you're supposed to be you know what the problem with this is that's how you're supposed to be if like you know what the problem of this is

from Trey like why Trey's perspective it's the look on her face I don't even remember the look on her face but she looks at her right yeah dude there's so many the ones I'm actually talking about were the ones where she was pregnant with those twins oh okay I'll look that one up it was the same thing

I'm looking at the first photo pics you get it no it's the same You get it. What I'm talking about with a look on her face is she looks like... A goddess. She's... Yes, but she also looks like she's pretending like she don't know what's happening right now.

Right. Yeah. Like there wasn't 15 people that set them flowers up. Right. Yeah. Well, how is she supposed to that? I know. It's because...

I mean, yeah. Dude, it's not like I lost fucking sleep over it or nothing. I just lose respect for her because I know you respect her. No. No. I just thought she was jumping... How should I find the one here? Look up Beyonce.

say pregnancy announcement. I thought she was just, I just thought she was jumping the shark a little bit. Well, I thought at the time. I feel like, and she got roasted a little bit for it too. Now,

in fairness, also, there was a shitload of people who defended her when she got roasted for it. But I'm saying, you know, it went both what, yeah,

you were leading the charge, weren't you? No, no, but her, you know that her fan base is like, they will attack. Rabid, yeah.

That one? That's one of them. There's a whole series of them. That's the one that she posted on Instagram that, like, broke the record. Is this,

Is this the one that you were like, that's too much? That looks like what pop stars do. Yeah. That's what people do nowadays. But the thing is with Beyonce is she owns her image and she controls it. So she's not on the cover of people or us weekly or anything. So when she announces her twins. I think while you were looking it up, I think while you were looking up, you didn't hear me.

You didn't hear me say that like talking about pop divas and shit. And like, yeah, I said that. Like, that's kind of just what you do. Like, that's how you're supposed to act. And that's fine. I don't know. I just, she was talking about Beyonce and I remembered those pictures. I remember when I first saw him, I kind of rolled my eyes a little bit.

And I wanted to know what she thought about it. I just got the body, the full length of the one where I was talking about the look on her face. It is very pretty. It's very over the top. I will say this, and this has nothing to do with any of the things you guys talked about. The colors of this robe look a little like Grandma Couch to me. I know. And a little grandma couch?

I think that was one of the jokes made on Black people Twitter about this when it happened at the T-1. It was. They compared it to Kim Kardashian's. met Gallagress from a few years ago that looked like a couch when she was pregnant. Who could forget? Yeah. Exactly. Um, I don't know.

This just looks like what pop stars do to me. I don't know. I just, I think it's what pop stars do, but she's the queen of pop stars. Right. So she will do it. She will do it better than anyone else because she can't because she has the money to because she's a goddess, you know. But yeah, I used to make fun of Beyonce a little bit on stage.

I come. I actually might again tonight just because you're here. That bit? And talk about it in the mic because you're probably not going to. going to do it. Now, I probably won't do it, but... So talk about that bit. This is true. The first part of this

is true. This is what I was going to... This picture doesn't even come close to what you say she said in that bit. That's true. And like this, I'm like, eh, whatever. But the thing that I'm talking about... That's absurd. Yes, yes. But that right there was huge in everywhere and everybody saw it. ubiquitous.

The thing... My story that I tell was, like, not a thing that people talked about. Right. You know what I mean? So, like, anyway, like, if I asked her, she probably wouldn't even know. About what? I know a lot of it. So years ago, my oldest son is about to turn six.

When my wife was pregnant with him. Okay. So that's about how old Blue Ivy is, I guess. Or maybe it's my second son. Either way, when my wife was pregnant, she was reading an article from Beyonce because she was pregnant at the same time as Beyonce. And it was Beyonce's advice to other pregnant women. And my wife was reading this article.

And she showed it to me, because my wife's a very level-headed. lady in a lot of ways. She showed it to me in a like, look at this shit kind of way. Because not making this up, one of the things in the article that she was read, one of Beyonce's

tips to pregnant women when they had nausea and like morning sickness and stomach problems was to sprinkle some loose diamonds onto their stomach. And that would help alleviate it through like, you know,

energy. or whatever. I know it does. Yeah, I know it does. Also, well, I feel like Beyonce, too, four years ago

is different from Beyonce today. Beyonce today gives way less fucks than Beyonce four years ago. And like the thing is I don't like, again, none of that ever, when I heard that, I was like,

yeah, well, of course, you know, but like I was, um, but yeah, and I used to just joke about like, oh,

God, I've just felt so stupid, you know? Here I am, even my poor wife, Peptobismal and everything when all I had to do. Get some diamonds.

It was going to the loose diamond drawer and, you know, start flossing on a bitch or whatever. I don't know. I just think she has the ability to do it 100%, so why wouldn't she? Well, again, again, you kind of type of shit is like par for the course when you are what Beyonce is. You know what I mean? I would argue she's the most famous woman in the world right now. That's, yeah, I mean, yeah, that's probably, I don't know who's, I don't know who's more famous than her. Yeah.

At least it's like a celebrity. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, we're about to start this show, but I'm glad we asked you to chime in. This has been very illuminating, in my opinion. It's been awesome. We talked about... Nice to talk to the nation's youth a little bit, isn't it?

It's great. I was going to say, we are old. Feminism and what's going on on college campus and Instagram and Beyonce, are we in your sorority now? I think we are. Yes, you're now all sisters. It's going to be really fun. We can go to our first sister-head event tomorrow. Well, I'll tell you what, I'm excited because she showed us a picture of their fucking house earlier.

They call it the Princess Castle's built in 1921. Corey saw it and said, that's fucking Hogwarts. It's insane. All the house are here. But anyway, thank you, Anna. Thanks everybody for joining us. We'll see you next time. Scoo!

Let it, Corey. Scoo. Thank you all for listening to the well-read show. We'd love to stick around longer, but we got to go. Tune in next week if you got nothing to do. Thank you, God bless you. Good night, and secure.