wellRED podcast - #388 - What IS Performance Art?

Episode Date: May 1, 2024

This week the boys talk about which celebrities would hurt them the most were they to find out they didn't hit for them, and then give their opinions on the world of performance art, and speculate on what it takes to be considered performance art! TraeCrowder.com DrewMorganComedy.com BonusCorey.com

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And I just wouldn't fucking do it. That's it. We walked the whole wall. Yep. That would be funny. Show up with another bitch. Yeah, we're two girls. Yeah.

Yeah, that would be funny. They're the liberal rednecks, they like cornbread, but sex, they care way too much, but don't give a fun. They're the liberal rednecks that makes some people upset, but they got three big old dicks that you can suck. All right, well, is we going? Yep. So you're at home? Here we are. New place?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've been living here for like a whole damn month. I just ain't been recording nothing here. I've been going back over to the old house to record because this room I'm in behind my garage is, was in real bad shape with like tear up the floor and stuff like that and paint it and shit. So I couldn't really use it, but now I can. But it's still work in progress. I need to do something about the sound. I don't have any kind of air conditioner back here. That ain't going to hit. I mean, we're going, you know, I'm trying to say whether they get a little portable air conditioner or like knock this winder out. Get that Dion Sanders shit, buddy. What's that? I don't know what it's called, but he's been advertising it and I trust him with my life. It's these dudes, these dudes have created like, you know that thing where like rednecks be doing it where like you take a cooler. Like a swamp cooler or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, redneck's been doing it for a while where you take a cooler and you bust a hole through it and you get a fan, you put some ice in there, whatever. Well, this is basically the same idea except for actual engineers made it instead of like, you boy, Ricky. And it's like $250. But if you're going for just like one room, it's supposed to be able to cool your room without having to have a unit. You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying their name because we're not sponsored by them.

Then Windows units are like 150 bucks at Walmart. But you can take this one with you, wherever you go. Right. Yeah. And this window, I don't have an ideal winder for a winder unit, but it could be adapted as such. But, yeah, it's a tiny room. In the back of an expedition for Bonaroo, two Bonneros ago. And it hit like a motherfucker.

Yeah, well, it just feels like a, I mean, like you said, a window unit is not that expensive either. But it just feels like over. I mean, I'm in a very small room. So it feels like a wee bit of overkill. You just made me remember, you know, that I had a dream last night that Dion Sanders hated me. Oh, my. that's horrible. Yeah, it was,

he shared like one of my videos or something and was talking shit about how R worded I am and stuff. I made sense because I've ever been shocked because I'm like, oh, you know, he's black. I figured he'd be cool. Yeah. But, and I mean, you know, he very well made, but I have no idea what Dionne Sanders politics are.

It was literally just a dream. But yeah, I would have never remembered that again in my life if he hadn't gotten brought up just now. What's the number? Who's the number one celebrity that if you found out you didn't hit for them, it would really tear you up? Like, you know, remember Paul Ryan with Rage Against the Machine

and how much that destroyed him? So, okay. That's a pretty good one. It is a good one, but it's like, does surprise have to be part of it? Meaning, like, no. No, surprise don't have to be part of it. Because, like, I'd say you assume most of these people don't know who you are at all. And it's like, I would further assume that most of the people who I think are super awesome.

I do assume they don't know who I am, but I would further assume if they found out who I am, they would not be like, oh, fuck this guy. Right, right. So if I found out that that did happen, I'd be like, that would really hurt. But like somebody, I'm trying to think of a good example. Like, okay, like Peyton, I'm from Tennessee. I worship Peyton Manning, right? Yeah.

I got a pretty good feeling. I probably wouldn't hit for him too much, right? Like, I don't know. Politically? Yeah, I don't think Peyton is like a, I feel like if all this MAGA shit had never happened, Peyton probably, he could have run for governor in Tennessee as a Republican and been elected in a heartbeat,

but like the old, the old kind of fiscally conservative republic. I don't think Peyton is a lunatic, but I bet he's probably like a classical conservative. I think a lot of those people. people like you, though. You know what I mean? Well, maybe. I don't know. He just, he, that would hurt me, but I would be like, yeah, I'm not that surprised. But like somebody like, I'm talking about you'd be in the floor. Like, it would be hard for you to move on for a while.

Quentin Tarantino, right? Like, I wouldn't, I would not think that Quentin Tarantino would have a problem in my politics or anything. And I worship him too. And if he found out about me and he was like, oh, fuck everything about this. Yeah. That would hurt more. because I would be a little blindsided by it in addition to it super not hitting. I'm not saying he's number one on the list, but he's a good example. Yeah. I don't think here's my only counter argument to why Peyton, I don't think he would hate you. Now, this is just like obviously who you're friends with don't determine how you feel about stuff.

But Peyton Manning and Andy Rodic are like super tight, like they're boys, right? And I hit super hard for Andy Rodic. And so surely Andy Rodic wouldn't, like, Like, no, I mean, of course, you'd still hang out with Peyton no matter how much you. I'm just saying they're really good boys to the point where I feel like they've got a lot of things in common. And if I hit for Andy Roddick, surely you would hit for Peyton Manning. But Peyton and Tom Brady hit for each other too, right? And Tom Brady's like, I mean, Trump hits for him.

I think there's just more like a respect thing. Probably. And also I always thought with Brady that he was like, I feel like he backed off the Trump shit a little bit after it went super hardcore. But. Yeah, I think that he was in. this is my thoughts on it at least. I think that at that point, it was early on in the Trump thing.

And I think Tom Brady lives in such a bubble that he does not know what the fuck is going on. Like, he don't know what temperature it is. You know what I'm saying? And I think there used to be a time when like an athlete, it didn't matter who the president was. Like an athlete would go meet the president and it wouldn't really be seen as that big of a deal, you know, whatever.

Like, dude, people used to go, like liberal athletes used to go meet Bush. I'm not saying it didn't not hit for some people, but it wasn't like, fuck this guy forever. And vice versa to Clinton, I think that Tom Brady didn't realize we weren't still living in that time period and he did what he did. And then everyone made it clear to him like,

hey, no, no, this different. And then he was like, bye, bye. You're probably right. I have the answer to your question. I should have thought of it immediately. And it's adjacent to Peyton Manning. But it satisfies. Before you answer,

let me just say that both of those quarterbacks are about to vote for Donald Trump for the third time. Y'all are full of shit. I didn't say they wouldn't vote for him. But I never said that. I just feel like this whole like, oh, he felt, nah, man, he just realized he needed to keep his mouth shut to keep his endorsements. That's what I meant.

That's what I meant. He's in the cryptocurrency. Like, they're both pretty conservative. I don't think Peyton Manning or Tom Brady are lunatics. Bro. But I think that like they are down with Donald. I agree. I never said, I wasn't saying anything to other than that.

What I meant was like, used to, I was to, I'm. I don't think it affected your endorsements that much because it was just like, you're a quarterback, they're the president, you're going to meet. That's what I'm saying is like Brady didn't realize how seriously people felt about this motherfucker. And thus, he was like, oh, wow, obviously I'm going to vote for him, but I can't be publicly liking him. Like, no, dude, I didn't mean that Brady saw the light and then voted for fucking Bernie

Sanders or nothing. So the answer is definitely unequivocally for sure. it's Dolly Parton. Yeah. Because I would assume, because I'm from Tennessee and everything and like, she's a deity. But furthermore, I would not only assume that the way I am, you know, wouldn't hit for her, but further, I would assume that hope that it would.

It wouldn't hit for her. Right. You'd think because, you know, she'd be like that. She'd been down with gay people. But she's also very, she's very methodical and not being overly partisan in terms of politics. And so, like, I don't know if she'd, like, publicly come out and be like, I love this dude. No. But behind closed doors, I would assume that I do hit for her.

So if I found out that not only did I not hit for her, but that she hated everything about me. Yeah. That would, yeah, break my heart irrevocably for sure. It'd be hard to come back from. But, like, she, like, all these people just don't know who I am. But that's who, that's my answer. But, like, for you, Cho, like, you know, like, Herschel Walker's the greatest dog of all time, that. But like, you know he would hate you.

Oh, yeah. And so, you know, you got to like. I think he just pretend to. I washed my hands clean of him a long time ago. And I'll be honest with you, that really was difficult. I'm not going to lie. Like when that, like, when he first came out and they were like, Herschel Walker's running, you know, for whatever, a senator, uh, as a Republican,

my first hope. It was just, it was just stupid. Like, it was just wishful thinking. And I was like, oh, well, maybe he's going to run as one of those, like, classic Republicans because he's tired of all this bullshit. And, like, he just knows that's how I went. And then the second he opened his mouth, I was like, boy, he did get stuffed at the line a lot. You know, his brain is right. And so I had to wash my hands clean of him.

Now, granted, even at the time of that happening, he wasn't my favorite dog. Like, I understood that he was the greatest dog of all time, but I never got to see him play. So, like, Stafford hating me would actually hurt worse for me than if Herschel hated me, you know. A good chance on that one, probably. I know. I agree. I agree. But Dolly was kind of where my brain first went because of all the things you laid out.

Like, it would be shock and it would be like, I would literally quit doing everything that I'm doing. I couldn't be me anymore because I know that it didn't hit for her. Yeah. I mean, Drew, you ain't got nothing. No thoughts on that. I got, yeah, I mean,

I got plenty of them. I guess my, first of all, well, my first thought was Dolly, but I just, I don't know

if it would hurt me that bad because I think I'd have to come to the conclusion that either she's like full of shit

completely or that I'm delusional completely. And so like, I just have to move on. Could be both.

Now, caveat question, we can't know them, right? No, we can't know. Personally.

Yeah. Because there's some like B-level celebrities we know, one or two whom I consider friends. Yeah. And like that would hurt my feeling. Oh, yeah. That's different. Yeah, that's like finding out a friend hate you. Yeah.

It's definitely worse. But why would any of those people, you know, why would they go through the trouble of pretending that we hit for them or whatever? Right, right, right. Well, that's why I would be so debilitary. It would be like, what happened? What did I say? But I think, I think I'm going to go with Tuchak.

That would suck. That would. God. That might be the best. He's so, I guess, cool, for lack of a better word, in general, it would be like, man. The other word you were thinking of is black. It's just sending him. It seems like for him to hate.

For him to nothing me is one thing. Right. For him to hate, it would be like, I just, I feel like he only hates him or J.I.D. Like a rapper knowing who you are, but hating you, feels like you've, it's not a moral thing. It's a cool thing. You fucking suck. Yeah, you don't hit. And, but if I'm going to go to the moral or whatever, I don't know if that's the right word,

but if, like, they just think I'm a bad person or they just don't fuck with me, I guess it would have to be like probably Dolly Parton or maybe, I don't know if people like that are, nah, those people aren't celebrities, never mind. I don't, this is going to sound like I'm trying to like talk myself up. I'm not. Other than like comedians who I might want to work with, I don't think I'd care that much if a celebrity hated me. It's not, that's why I want to know specific celebrities because like, yeah, most of them I'd be like, you know, whatever. is a different type of person. And I also,

this is for me personally, like if I found out Randy Newman hated me, I couldn't go on. I couldn't go on. That's a fucking good one. Yeah. Why is that such a good one for you?

I know the show loves Randy Newman, but why are you, why would that bother you? He is a deep, deep, thoughtful, hilarious man. So he's just right about most things when he speaks.

So if he hates, me, it would be like, I deserve it. I just feel like I would deserve it. He's one of the coolest white people, especially of his generation of all time. Randy Newman is, he's just a bad, he's like Anthony Bourdain's character.

I think Anthony Bordane was cool, but he wasn't as cool as he seemed on his show. I think Newman's that cool. Yeah, me too. And also, like, Randy Newman's discography is one that I go to so often. And, like, you know, obviously now with my kid being,

young. Like, we listen, we watch Toy Story a lot. We listen to the Toy Story soundtrack. Knowing that every time I heard all that, that Randy Newman did not indeed have a friend in me would be fucking brutal. You know what I mean? Same personality, but not as big of a figure. Todd Snyder. That would suck. That would suck so bad. These are just cool people. So it's the same with two chains. It's like, man, if somebody that cool hates you, like, you deserve it. Right. It's more of an indictment when it's someone like that than if it's just like, oh, fucking Michael Rapaport hates you. Who gives a shit? You know what I mean? Right. Okay. Hey, how about this, though? Like, speaking of Michael Rapaport, like, flip the script on that question a little bit.

Who do I want to hate? Yeah. Somebody who, like, who loves you or, you know, if you do it, then you're like, oh, man. That before. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That's what I mean. me think of that but you know that because like that happened i mean that that honestly is way more frequent but but like not celebrities though like um but just general internet figures and stuff you know what i mean like sometimes there's people that share my shit or whatever that i'm like i appreciate to love but also like you know fuck yourself yeah me and you ain't the same like if my if mike huckabee shared one of my stand-up clips that was like one of my non-political bits and was like man this

guy's really funny. Like, I would take that clip off the internet, renounce the joke, talk about how horrible it was, how much I didn't hit. I'd re-question everything in my fucking life. That'd be a missed opportunity, in my opinion. To go on Huckabee show? No, to, like, have some sort of back and forth. Yeah.

I used to have mostly fourth with Mike Huckabee. There was never any back, but I forced a lot to him. Kid Rock, maybe. I mean, that might be cool. That would hit so hard for me. Dude, just because it's like I was, you know, such a fan when I was a kid. I, you know. If you found out Kid Rock loved you, you'd be stoked?

Yes, because I would feel like Kid Rock is so that side of the aisle that if he fucked with me hard, it would mean that I transcend. You know what I mean? He's so dumb. He doesn't even know what transcend. It's the only trans. He don't know nothing about. I can tell you much that he's at least partially full of shit about a lot of that. For sure.

And I'm not trying to bail him out with it. That's not what I mean. I just mean, like, it's almost worse. It's a pure grift, I think. Because, you know, that one, that clip went viral him recently. On Fox News, with a, with a Budweiser cap on and didn't even realize. And when they pointed out, he was like, what do you mean? It's how it hurts, you know, and he was like, oh, right.

I'm supposed to hate them. I forgot. I mean, he didn't say he forgot, but he was just, oh, right. Yeah. That thing. Everybody makes mistakes. And we don't, you know, whatever. Like, he's, I'm not.

Y'all weren't there. No, you weren't there. It was it a Josh Wolf thing. I met him once at Zanis, but, like, you know, he didn't know who I was. And it was just a very brief. Like, I think literally Theo Vaughn introduced me to Kid Rock. That checks out. And at Zanis.

And it was just like, ups up. Yeah. I'm Bob. I'm Bob. Yeah. Bob, yeah. And, uh, but, and that was literally it. Just that.

And then, Bob Rock. Didn't hang out with him. Yeah, Bob Rock. He does have a good, like, you know, obviously we know that Kid Rock grew. up, you know, like on a really nice place. His dad was like a, he owned a bunch of cars and shit like that. So it's, oh yeah, Kid Rock is a fake name. He's not even a real redneck.

But his real name actually sounds more redneck than Kid Rock. Like Bob Richie, that is some redneck shit. I think Bob is, Richie, maybe I'm dumb. It puts me in the mindset of like Jersey guys. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, you're right. I mean, as a first name for sure. Bob Richie sounds like a guy who ripped off a guy named Kid Rock.

and got 80% of his first two records. And ends up on a disc track on the third record. So speaking of Bob Ivy, Kid Rock and his whole thing, and he's a rich kid from Detroit and everything, I just found out about the existence of a person. And I was wondering, me describing this to you is not going to be the same

as you guys being actually exposed to it, but I just wonder where you fall on this. Jake Paul, Jake and Logan Paul is mine. Sorry, go ahead. Oh, yeah, you wouldn't want to hit for them. I wouldn't hit for them. be a nightmare on every level. I don't respect anything about them other than the fact that they are exceedingly athletic.

Oh, I respect Logan Paul's wrestling ability, but that's about it. I said exceedingly athletic. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Like, he's good in WWE, bro, like for real good. Sorry. If they wanted to take you, if they wanted to have you as a guest on their podcast or whatever, you'd say, no.

No. Oh, I'd fucking go on for sure. And then torpedo it and that would go by it. That's why I said it was a misperunity. with Huckabee. I don't think you would. I don't think court, but I don't know how either y'all's going to take this.

I can see Drew being passive, aggressive and doing Drew stuff if he got on there. I don't think you'd do that, Joe. I would think you try to focus on how he hits at wrestling and all that time. And then you try to mostly talk about wrestling and you try to like, well, I just assume way and then all being good the whole time,

which for the record is what I would do too. Hold on now. I think you'd say no. I think in the end you'd be like, I can't figure out how to make it hit. No, no, no. Here's the thing, though. Yeah, obviously, while we were talking about wrestling,

I would focus on the subject. But I just have to assume that, like, if one of them dudes had me on their podcast, they would look up some shit about me, and they would probably start talking about, like, so you're a redneck, but you, you wrote this book, Liberal Redneck Manifesto or whatever. And I know that as soon as that subject was broached,

like, I'm going to have no choice, but to be who I am. And if they ask me some fucking questions, I'm going to tell the truth. And I assume one of them would call me an R word or something. And like, I don't know. You don't think so?

They would just be like, oh, are they not. Are they not? I think they're not. I don't know much about it. I don't think that, I don't think that they would,

I think that they'd be like, uh, so you don't, so you don't think wokeness is killing comedy then? Like, you know, I think they ask me something like that. And then I would,

and I could talk for 30 minutes. on that. But I don't think if you, right, and I bet, I bet when you got done do it, diatriving on that subject, I'd think they would both be like, oh, look, huh, right on. Anyway, two response or alpha brain or whatever. I could be wrong. I mean, that would hit for me. I'm just, what I'm saying is I don't think I would miss an opportunity to at least

be a little bit myself and, you know, get my shit in. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So, right. Yeah, I just, I don't know. I don't think that there, maybe, maybe we're just like missing, you know, there's, we're losing something in the crossfire here. Because I feel like you're,

I feel like you're talking about it like if you went on Ben Shapiro's show or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't think that going on the Paul's podcast would be anything remotely like that. Well, I hear you, but like, yeah, I just think it's a different. I hear you, I'm just rejecting the fact that I would go on there and just suck both of their dicks. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I would love to talk about WWE, like with them. that would be awesome.

But like, you know, I would probably... And he didn't say you'd do that. He didn't say you'd suck his dick. He said you would avoid controversy. Yeah. As long as they weren't bringing shit up, sure.

Yeah, no, you're right, for sure. Like, I just don't think you would go in confrontationally. I'm not saying if they came after you, you've just let it happen.

Well, that's what, okay, so if that's how I would go about it too. Like, if they started being shitty, I'd, you know,

push back. I wouldn't be the one to start it and be like, You guys know you're R-worded, right? Or whatever. Well, yeah. But I just, see, I guess I don't know anything about how they operate. Because, like, to me, they just seem like some super confrontational motherfuckers. I don't think they are.

I don't think. I've seen other comedians post clips of them being on their show and stuff, and it's never like that. Now, of course, those comics are like bro comics who I'm sure hit for them. Do you know what I mean? So naturally. But I just, I don't really, I don't know how to describe. They're super like frat bro cool dude. duty or whatever.

Yeah, meaning I'd never go on. Right. No, they would never have any of us on. I just met hypothetically if they did. Golf and wrestling. Yeah, I would hit. Yeah. I would just remember something that I actually looked up this week.

You would potentially go on there defensive because of this exact conversation we're having. And then that could lead to some tense moments in general. Do you guys remember? Of course you remember. I went back. to try and find it. It is listed in an old archive, but I couldn't do it on my phone.

You have to listen to it on the computer. When Burke Kreischer didn't know who we were, and like eight to ten minutes ended up having us on his podcast, basically told us he would have killed Trayvon Martin, too. What? No. I remember that.

I remember him saying he just caught up George Zimmerman, and I'm pretty sure all of us were like, well, yeah, fuck that guy. And he was like hard left turn. He was like, I don't know, man. Fucking, you know, you come at me wearing a sweatsh. I mean, I don't know exactly that way. I got a gun.

He's like, yeah. No, I didn't, no, I don't remember him saying that. I remember him saying some other wild stuff. But, you know, he'd be wild. I'm paraphrasing in a wild way. He just was like, I like guns, God damn it. That Trayvon Martin thing, I'd defend my family. And we were like, yeah, we like guns.

We'd defend our family too. We just sort of felt like that guy shouldn't have done that. Because he wasn't. defending his family. Yeah, he was like, oh, yeah, I think you're probably right. That's true. Early on, I had no idea. He hadn't went full bore like he has now, but he was starting to, I guess.

But I went on that dude, that David Rubin guy's show early on, did a full hour on his show. And it was like totally fine. I never knew anything. I never had. And then recently, recently, yeah, his whole thing was like, I was pushed out of the liberal of liberalism. Because I couldn't be famous. Yes, 100%. But he was just starting that whole, like,

it was just starting that whole thing at the time. Like, I'm getting sick. We always make that joke is if we turn right, we could make a billion dollars. Right. He just did it. He bought the same thing. Yeah, but I don't think it's hit for him the way he hoped it would.

He does fine, right? But yeah, but he did. But anyway, anyway, he, yeah, right. That's definitely part of it. A clip of him, a clip of him saying something stupid about, Gaza recently went around and Mark pulled it for skews, right? And I clicked the link or whatever and I put a comment in our skews outline. I was like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, very funny, Mark.

Also, Jesus Christ, I look fucking fat in this clip. And he was like, what are you talking about? And I was like, go back and watch it. He was like, holy shit, that's you. Oh, no shit. Yeah. He didn't even realize it was me in the clip. And also, by the way,

I don't even remember what he said. Keep in mind, he said this about Gaza in, like, 2017. So he said this very stupid thing about Gaza, and I'm in the clip, I'm the guest, and I'm just like, yeah, dude, you know. Like, I just didn't want them. Yeah, right.

I had nothing to say about it. Like, I just let it. Like, look at Dave Rubin and this fat, dumb red. Yeah. That's so goddamn, yeah. Yes, that's exactly what happened. I just want to say something real quick in case it doesn't make sense for the listeners.

The only reason I brought up the birth thing is, He then explained to us that we made him feel defensive because he didn't know us and he just knew we were like liberal or whatever. I was simply trying to say if you went in there with, because Corey and it's known, Cory and Bird are very similar personality types.

I could see Corey going in there with the defenses up and as soon as any sort of ribbon starts, he goes full nuclear. Like I could see Corey actually torpedo in the show. Yeah, because I black out, dude. I don't even know what I'm saying when I get super defensive and shit like that. And so, yeah, I can see Corey going viral calling him fucking fascists or something. Like, I can see Corey having a clip, like a moment that would be so funny,

like almost ironic because it would be like, Corey's the easiest to get along with. But it looks like he just torpedoed this whole fucking show to call everybody fucking right wing or whatever. Yeah, but again, back to your original point, yes, I will now agree that, like, if none of that happened and they just stuck to wrestling and shit, it would appear that I was super boys with the Logan Bros. You know what I mean? Yeah. So what I started to bring up earlier, and then we got diverted into this,

I just found out about the existence of a person. I'm very curious what y'all think about just the general concept of it. It was on Mark Maren's podcast that interview just came out this week. There's this lady. She's like a New York performance artist. I guess is what you'd call her named Tammy Lang. You don't want to look at people? No, I don't think she look at people. I'll let your rules. What are you talking about?

We'll get into it later. You're about to get diverted for a long time. Okay, okay. Let's save it because she's super interesting. Okay. Her name's Tammy Lang in the 90s. When Marin was in New York doing the Alt 90s Luna Lounge Comedy scene thing, this lady was there and she would go up on stage at shows,

She only ever did one thing. She had one character. She'd show up in character. I mean, she was a theater, but she did plays and shit like that, too. But in the comedy scene, when she'd show up, she did one thing. She did one thing. She had a character. A country music character named Tammy Faye Starlight, right?

Okay. It's like Tammy Faye Baker situation. Yeah. And she was all done up that way, all crazy Tammy Faye Baker-ish or whatever. And she would do parody country songs that were like, like, like, you know, keep in mind this was the 90s. And they didn't play any of the songs. All I heard was her talk about them, right?

And so she said she had a song called, did I shave my pussy for this, right? Did I, uh, she had a song. It was a riff off standby your man, but I can't remember what the name of it was, but it was her singing. Oh, shave your clam.

No, no. They're not all like that. They're not all fun like that. Like the one that was based on standby. your man was like... About domestic abuse? Her reminiscing through song about being gang rate. Right.

Like, this shit was hardcore. She had another one. I don't think I don't think I ain't done it that way. God rented out a space in my uterus or something like that that was about, you know, how abortion don't hit. Like you can't get abortions. And she used to banter in between the real lady. Was that to the tune of what if God was one of?

us? I don't know. I don't know. But she, hardcore, hardcore subversive shit and in the, she would banter in between songs and was super, the character was super right wing and hated Jews, hated Jews, right? The lady herself is Jewish. Yeah. There's the whole thing. She went to Nashville in this character, tried out for the Opry auditioned in front of these country music judges and shit in this character, playing these songs mortified them, freaked everybody the fuck out. Did all, like she went hard for sure. But the only thing I'm, and of course, while hearing all this, I started thinking

about Wheeler, right, Wheeler Walker Jr. and everything. Also a Jewish guy. But Ben, Wheeler, he's from Kentucky, right? He loves country music, whatever. This shit, this lady is a affluent Jewish lady from the upper west side of Manhattan. That's what she's from. She's from a family of rich Jews. her grandpa was like a New York Supreme Court Justice or such that type of shit.

And so I'm just wondering, hearing that explanation of all that, what y'all think about what I just described. Tammy Faye Starlight. That's her character name. Her real name is Tammy Lang. But yeah, she only ever had any kind of notoriety as the character, Tammy Faced Starlight. So like the only thing, think about that. Because I assume like people, I assume she was legitimately terrified of people who talk like. like us.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, horrible. And I was about to say, like, as a concept,

obviously, I fucking love it because, like, it's female wheeler. And if it's true that, like, yeah, anybody below the Mason Dixon,

she thinks there's like a pitchfork lunatic redneck, steal your, you know, uterus, whatever, then that sucks. Like,

is, if she also has derision for country music, then, like, I can't like it as much. But as performance art, I still am like for it, if that makes sense. Yeah, I mean, I think I'd have to see it.

Yeah. But even then, you don't have the context of the time period. Did you guys watch the Netflix show characters? Yes, a couple episodes. What's his face is. John Early. John Early is who I was going to bring up. John Early does that comedian.

That Southern comedian. Gene. Not till I get. my dana. Yeah. It's a Southern mom character who's fed up with her family and her family annoys her and her husband's always making her stop drinking her sonic drink. And I told him once, I've told him a million times not till I get my denim.

I love that. Yeah, but he's from John Early's from like Kentucky or somewhere like that. I think he's from Nashville. Yeah, okay. So you're saying perhaps the outsider, yeah, I mean, I guess I'm just saying I've seen, we've already brought up Wheeler. I'm not against the concept. It sounds like, to me, though,

she was trying to satirize people, not a genre. Does that make sense? Yeah. And, you know, oftentimes that just fails. You know, I'd have to see it. It basically sounds like it kind of might have suck. I listened to her. Well, I did wonder if maybe it kind of sort of sucked

because it never, I mean, never really amounted to anything. Like, Marin was there at the time and remembered her and knew it and was in New York and they go away back. What's she doing now? Why did he interview her? I mean, not she does, she puts on shows in New York still. Like, she's got a, she's got a, like a one woman play about a lady who was in Lou Reed's band or something that's about to be playing at Joe's Pub and Manhattan every Wednesday in the month of May, like that type of thing. So not, not anything big.

And she would, she, throughout the whole interview, she seemed pretty cool and humble and all that. And she didn't talk about how everybody in the South is a dip shit or nothing. I just want it just, John Early from Nashville, Wheeler's from Kentucky. Wheeler likes country music, all this shit. That type of thing makes a big difference to me. I feel like, you know, if, like it depends on the, where you're coming from. You know, it's kind of, it's just kind of like somebody like anybody else who's from the

South. We could all sit and talk shit about the South together all day long and it's all funny and it hits for everybody. But if somebody from Manhattan starts doing it, I don't really like that. You know, you're also usually going to miss, right? Like you've got to get it to satirize it. Right. You're not satirizing it if you're just trying to take it down. And if you're just trying to take it down, you don't need a whole character. You can do one joke about it. So I think I probably wouldn't have liked it. But I, I mean, it's, I'd have to hear it. I don't hate her for the concept. Also, she came to Nashville. So if she, yeah, I respected that part for sure, dude. She,

like, it took a lot of balls because even her, like, describing when she went to Nashville and audition and she, she, like, played at the bluebird and stuff, and she got,

people were fucking hissing at her and all that. And she never broke character and all that. I mean, I definitely respected all that for sure. But that makes me think, like if she did think we were all like that, then she lost.

so maybe she didn't think we were all, you know what I mean? Like if you're up there saying fuck Jews and you're getting booed in Nashville and you thought it was going to hit for people. Right. That's a lesson in and of itself. Maybe she didn't think it was going to hit for people. I don't know. I need a lot more context, but bless your heart.

That's what I have to say, T. T. Ray, I vote bless her heart. Yeah. Yeah, I'm definitely going to check out at least I shaved my pussy for this. Uh, which that reminded me. Oh, Cletus T. Judd, his version. of that was I can't believe I shaved my back for this on his certified aluminum classic there in 98, I think. Yeah.

What was the drink you had to stack on stage when you host it for him? Do either of you remember? Do what? I never worked with the clearest T. Judd. I know Corey went away with him. He had a closer and I had to stack empty boxes, but they didn't look empty of like maybe Bud Light. Yeah. It was something like that.

The one thing I really remember is his poster board. of all his, like his set list and stuff. Like they had to be like on the stage or whatever and I had to do. I don't know if I remember. I mean, I'm certain because it was around the same time that I did that. But this was also in my, you know, a snorting, a cocktail of drugs before I went up every time. So a lot of it's a blur. I remember quick anecdote.

He was not late. He'd let them know he was going to be there like 10 minutes. before the show started because of whatever, traffic, whatever, the first night. Ed Kaler was the feature, and I was hosting. And when I got there, Bridget was like, she had this like, true. Can you do 20 or 25? And I was like, what? Yeah, sure.

And she was like, Ed's going to have the headline. He's not even going to be here tonight. I need you to basically host, but also feature. He needs to do 25 minutes up top. I was like, okay, I can't be clean. All your rules about no Jesus jokes. Like, I've got to do them. Because in order to hit that number, I got to do all my jokes.

And then she was like, this motherfucker. And I was like, what? And Ed was like, you could tell he was so annoyed. He was like, it's just a joke. And Bridget, not you, right? Yeah. He was like, he's going to be here. she thought that'd scare you.

And I was like, and I remember looking at her and being like, what's the joke? Right. Oh, you were going to laugh at me if I could if I shit my pants. Yeah, right. Yeah.

Why did you think I was going to shit my pants? And I should have known then. I have no future with this lady. Right. In terms of professionally. Because not only does she not respect me as a comic. She also doesn't respect me as a man. Like both as a comic and a man,

you thought you were about to get one over on me by telling me I had to do my job. Right. Dude, every, every comic at our levels at that time, when someone says, hey, I'm going to need you to stretch. We're like, fuck yeah. You know what I mean? Right.

I had done 30 minutes sets before. Not a lot, but I'd done them. But even if I hadn't, your boy absolutely would have been like, I got it. Yeah, right. Of course. Do you not know the ego of comedians? She was genuinely upset that I didn't fall apart, though. Anyway.

So that lady that stares at people, I saw this the other day. I got a weird name. I can't remember her name, but I think I- Iranian or something. I remember the title of the exhibit was the artist is present. I think that's her whole exhibit is the artist is present.

And what happens is she's at her exhibit. There's like velvet ropes, but in the middle of the velvet ropes is just a table with two chairs. And the gimmick is she sits there and stares at you for a certain amount of time and doesn't break eye contact with you. That's the whole thing. You walk through the museum as a patron or whatever and you get to this exhibit, you get in line and walk and sit down in the chair and stare at a lady for how long are you talking?

I don't know. I think it was two minutes. I think it was to, are you going to tell the pop? I've exhausted all my information on this actually. So you go ahead. So I'll save the pop of that one for the end. This lady is genuinely very compelling and very wild. Her first big thing she did that got her like, as far as I know that started getting her attention,

she was in a room, same situation. You walk in, you stand in line. You can spend a certain amount of time with her. There were objects on the floor. You could pick up any object and you could do anything you wanted to her. Oh, that's that lady? I don't know this part. I know about her.

I know about her from that. People started cutting her because there was like a knife there and shit. Cutner? Yeah, it got weird. Super intense. She did not break. She said it was one of the most terrific things she's ever experienced and she'd never do anything like it again. She's very, very interested in like, yeah, like the human interaction or whatever. I think she's cool, but obviously it's strange stuff.

She had a thing. She's influenced a lot of people too. The only one I can think of right now, unfortunately. is a comedian by the name of Katrina Davis did a thing called the comedian is present, where she did one-on-one jokes of people. I don't know enough about that project to speak. Nightmare. But she's influenced and worked with a lot of people.

She did some stuff with Lady Gaga. I can't remember all the stuff she's done. I went down a rabbit hole with her one night. But back to Corey's exhibit, because I think this is actually really interesting cool. Wow. She was dating an artist, and they were very much in love.

of in the 60s or 70s. Oh, what? She's that old? Yeah, she was young with this point, but yeah. Maybe it's the 70s. The artist's present thing, this, this ain't current, this old shit. I think that was from like, oh, like 2000s or 2010. Oh, the way he just went straight to the woman who stares at people, I thought it.

I just now saw it, so I thought it was new too. It may be more recent than that. But I know that the cut thing that you know, about Trey was in like the 80s or 9. Okay. So she was dating this guy when she was very young. And they went to opposite ends of the Great Wall of China. And they walked the length of it, spending the night, walking all day every day.

They met in the middle. They embraced. And they said they both knew that they were done. They hugged. Yeah, they were exhausted. And they turned around and they left. They never spoke again. What?

Yeah. They just broke up. At that, artist's present thing, he showed up. He got in line and he sat down. And it is genuinely compelling. Watching two people who haven't seen each other,

I think at that point it had been like 30 years, who had been very much in love once upon a time, sit and not talk to each other. but like have that holy shit it's been 30 years like she recognized him they both like tear up it's genuinely really intense and wild and i'm glad she exists you know do i like need to go see her all the time no but i think she's cool having that part of it is undeniably cool and awesome to me like all that context of like one of the guys she's sitting next to she hadn't seen in 30 years add the great wall of china stuff that's amazing but like most of time though it's just

just like me walking in there and looking at a lady. That don't hit. Yeah, but that's part of it. It's like, I think, I think to me, what I get from it is like, yeah, why is it hard to sit in silence with a stranger for two minutes? It sure is. I think I can do it. You've done it on morning radio.

Yeah, I don't think it'd really bother me at all. It would be the eye contact that bothered me. Yeah. So that, well, that's, they give you like, stipulations. You have to sit here and stare at her in the eyes for two minutes. For sure. Or you're not participating. I mean, obviously, they can't make you.

Right. And I'm sure that that's of interest to hers. If you can't do it, I'm sure that's interesting for her. So I googled it. Her name's Marina Abramovich. She's Serbian. She's 77 year old, so she is old. And that thing, the artist is present.

That's from 12 years ago. That's from 2012. and she'd been active for 40 years. So that's actually what it was called. Yeah. Sounds like I've mostly been nailing it in my timeline. Yeah. Yeah.

So she's done some like, she's worked with some like famous people on some business and stuff too. She's a real interesting person. I, I, I, how do you make money doing that? Huh?

How you make money doing that? Like the exhibit pays her? I bet she's like part of that. And I don't know if this exists anymore. I don't know how it could. I bet she's part of that, like, Truman Capote, New York, where artists just would live in rich people's houses. Yeah.

Patrons. Yeah, they have benefactors. Yeah, artists. I mean, dude, it's wild that that's kind of still a thing because that's like how Michelangelo and them operated. That's how Casanova lived his whole goddamn life, except he didn't even make art. He just fucked everybody's. Right.

Grandmalls. His art was wainer art. He was an artist of the, his canvas was pussy's butts. Yeah. I don't know if it still is the thing that much. I know it still is on some level, but I don't know if there's as many benefactors anymore. I think that the connection of like internet and art, I think it's changed that even. So I, all right.

I'm just saying it is, when you're in the context of art and you describe something, like you described a minute ago. The Great Wall of China thing, that was in 1988. Okay, I was off one, Alan. But so it says this is the way she described it. That walk became, and it was, this was a piece. This was a performance art piece entitled Lovers, right? And the way she described it was, that walk became a complete personal drama.

Ulai, that's her old man, Ulai started from the Gobi Desert and I from the Yellow Sea. after each of us walked 2,500 kilometers, we met in the middle and said goodbye. She has said that she conceived this walk in a dream, and it provided what she thought was an appropriate romantic ending to a relationship full of mysticism, energy, and attraction. We needed a certain form of ending after this huge distance walking towards each other.

It's very human, and it is in a way more dramatic, more like a film ending, because in the end, you are really alone, whatever you do, right? like if you was dating a gal, right, and she pitched that to you, would you be like, that's super interesting and beautiful, compelling,

or you'd be like, can we just, can I'll just leave. I'll be like, I agree with the word done part. Right, yeah, I'm not even doing a half-

fuck. If you want to walk across all China, then go ahead. If Amber pitched I'm going to go to the park. I'd say, fuck no. Right. All right.

But first of all, he's also an artist. But what if you were breaking up with a comedian and she was like, all right, let's, one last thing, let's do a podcast about our relationship. We can salvage it that way. Now, you two may say no, but a lot of comics me know, would say yes. That guy was also an artist. Now, what I would do, though, if he did that to me and it broke my heart, I'd be like, yeah, we'll just wherever we meet, we'll meet. and I just wouldn't fucking do it. That's it.

We walked the whole wall. Yep. Hell yeah. That would be funny. Like, show up with another bitch. Yeah, we're two girls. Yeah. That would be funny.

Just killing there in the Gobi Desert. Hell yeah. That's the move. State. Maria. That's the move. But I wouldn't do it, but I don't think it's crazy that he did it because he started. I was going to say.

5,000 kilometers. That's a pretty big wall, that great wall they got over there. Also, like, do they have restaurants on that wall? Like, they got pissed out? You can get all fitting on it. So, like, there's town. Oh, yeah, duh. It's like the, it's like, it's probably less remote than the Appalachian Trail.

With the Appalachian Trail, you come to town every two days or four days. I know it's probably more in some places. In my dumb ass brain, the Great Wall of China had those like hit centers on the side of the road in Jersey. You know what I mean? Like, just every now and then. You'd see a dude. Palisades or whatever they call. One of those called promenade.

Yeah. There's definitely at least somebody up there pushing a car. There's a little mammal selling noodles up there, I bet. With a Richall? Yeah. Trump T-shirts. Yeah. You know they got them.

Goochie purses. Yeah. Hell yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. Art. I don't know. Fish.

All right. So, Cho, you just recently heard about the artist is present. I said it was 2012. A documentary about it came out in 2012. The actual exhibit was in 2010, so even longer ago. But you just found out about it.

Yeah, I scrolling through Reddit or something, and I just saw some, maybe it was like some Tumblr post where someone was like, there's this dumb-ass lady who her whole art is she just stares at people for whatever.

And then someone commented, like, that was actually called the artist is present and what she did was blah. And, you know, I wasn't interested enough to look at it. I mean, I was kind of interested, but to me, like, I filed that away under, like, the piss cross Jesus of like, this is fucking stupid.

Like, paint a bowl of fruit, you pieces of shit. I mean, that's kind of what I always think about this sort of thing, too, but Drew did kind of sell me a little bit. No, I agree. Drew did a good job. On the Wikipedia page for it, 1,5 people sat across from her during the course of the whole exhibit, right? Here's some of the notable ones, and listen to how Raven this list is. I'm not going to do the whole list because I don't know who all these people are. Although this name is just raven.

Klaus Biesenbach, though. Sounds like somebody would be into that. James Franco, Lou Reed, Alan Rickman, and Bjork. Yeah. She's worked with Bjork.

Not Lady Gaga. That's right. Sorry. Bjork is the, is the Icelandic Lady Gaga, for sure. Yeah. She's Icelandic, right?

Yeah. Yeah. He a duck. Lady Gaga is pretty weird. Bjork's much weirder. Um, I know I've sold it on it and I appreciate that. The last thing I'll say is it's hard to wrap your head around that stuff

because it's not as easily to consume. I don't mean that in a capitalist way. It's not material. Process where it's happening. But I think that's what's interesting about it. I think the reason, though, that it also sucks is it's so easy to fake. Like, it's so easy to just do something weird and then call yourself a performance artist.

Yeah. And that, but think about how easy it is to say you're a, stand-up comic. So, like, you can't, you mean you can judge it by that, but it's like, yeah, bad improv's terrible. Bad performance art is so awful. It's such an excuse for trust fund kids to, like, pretend to be interesting in Brooklyn. And I think all that's fair. But I do think she's done some genuinely interesting things in terms of thinking and feeling

in the human condition. And do I compare it to, like, great musicians or even fucking great painters? No. I mean, but personally because it's a newer thing, you know, in a hundred years, maybe the greatest performance artist will be as compelling as Beethoven or whatever. I don't know. Do you hear about the new one that just happened this week? This one kind of hit for me.

There was a dude, and the post went viral, which is why this all happened. This dude put up, like, signs on telephone polls and shit all over. New York, right? Kind of like the free guitar lesson ones. And it was a picture, a drawn picture of him wearing a mask with a bucket of cheese balls taped to it. And it said, watch me eat an entire bucket of cheese balls. Yeah, well, he actually, you know, did it like two days ago.

And, yeah, in the mask. And, dude, there was like four thousand people showed up for that shit. Like, but wasn't that guy doing a take off of an already existing thing, which was a guy eating chickens. A guy, yeah, there was a guy in Philadelphia

eating a whole chicken every day. And the dude in New York was like a parody of the chicken man but with cheese balls. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

He was parody in the... layers to it. Got big. And that's another thing, too, like he really was making fun of the fact that the guy got big,

not making fun of the guy because the chicken man did not take himself seriously. But I remember that one because it was so funny because they tried to shut down one of the events just because too many people came.

And everybody, And it was, I saw the joke like seven times that made me laugh every time. It said they blew up the chicken man. It struck me every time. Man, we got to do something like that. And then just. Well, I told you guys about Tim Nacky on the group chat, the guy who bets 10 cents at Blackjack for every follower he gets. I'm so in, dude.

I fucking love that guy, 10, 10 crew. Yeah. So, like, there's, there's, and there's entertainment. but he's clearly entertainment. Then there's a stair lady that's clearly art. And obviously there's, I've seen some stuff in Brooklyn like, like they'll have a big day where there's a lot of art

and me and Andy would go there and like, dude, some of that stuff, you'd just be like, these people should be homeless and the homeless people should get their houses. Because whatever, whoever's paying for them who exists is shameful. Their parents should be in prison.

Yeah. But isn't that all like subjective? I feel that way about most of it. Like my dad, and it's another one of the things that my dad used to say it. I don't know if he heard it from somewhere else or whatever. My dad always used to say that there's a fine line between high art and total bullshit. And I've, big time. I usually fall in a total bullshit line.

But sometimes something just hits me. And I'm like, no, that hits. But even it's so much less defined in performance art. And that's the issue, right? Because like even in stand-up comedy, It's like we have less structured rules compared to like music, where it's like it's supposed to be in key, you know what I mean? Metronome.

It's supposed to be on a scale that we recognize. So it's like it's making somebody laugh. I guess it is stand-up. If it's not, I guess it's not. Performance art has even less than that, I think. So that's part of the reason why. But it doesn't mean no one's who's doing it is doing anything compelling. There was a guy who I assume is dead now.

named Matthew Silver, who called himself a fartist. He was a performance artist in New York. He was very strange. He would do wild shit. He was at Bonnaroo out in the camps, one year, Tray, with the House of Yes. Back when we used to go, this was years ago, I never could decide on him.

But he farted. He was one guy where I was like, I can't decide if I hate you're. It does seem like you're doing something. It doesn't seem like complete, utter. indistinguishable nonsense but it sometimes seems like it's approaching that

like what did he do? Did he fart? He would run around New York and be very weird he would have signs like he was protesting something but it made almost no sense he would fart a lot he'd do a lot of hugs and a lot of love

fart on paper while he hugs on hits I can't remember a lot of it and it is hard to describe it like it's like all right you're kind of satirizing protest culture with this one. you're you got your thing and you're marching and you're playing a loud thing he's skinny white

dude with kind of long hair like yeah i think i've seen pictures of him holding his signs it's like he holds up a protest sign that's completely nonsense right or like or like you know we don't have enough love it's weird he's a weird but how much a part of it was farting for him to call himself a fartist you know because i feel a little bit like i've been mad That might have been a piece itself. Because there was a period where he was in a speedo a lot and he was farting into the microphone. So the farthest, now that I'm thinking about it, may be a character he wasn't doing. Mr. Butt was derivative.

Yeah. No. No, we predated the fartists, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. All right. Well, it's about time to wrap her up. Listen, y'all being Oklahoma City next, not next week, but next, a Bricktown Comedy Club and then Buffalo and Pittsburgh and elsewhere, tracrouter.com. come save me. Yeah, go ahead, Drew.

Drew Morgan Comedy.com. I got a tour I'm about to announce in June, but you can get tickets on my website right now. A little mini tour. I think I might call my tour this year child support. I'll be with Trey in Virginia. I will be in Nashville, Bristol. I'm coming lots of different places.

I'm coming all over your faces. I'm coming like it's a big disgraceous. Go ahead, Corey.com. That is my news. letters slash blog slash place I put up videos and stuff like that. It's a lot of fun. But other than that, I'm going to be hanging out

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