wellRED podcast - #402 - Has Anyone Ever Handled a Scandal Worse Than Kevin Spacey?

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

The boys discuss how INSANE Kevin Spacey's response to his accusations were (timely, we know) which led to a conversation about a similarly shamed man: Woody Allen.... the boys have mixed feelings on him... not him personally of course, they all agree he sucks... just his movies ya know? and whether you can seperate art from the artist. I don't remember what else we talked about. WeLoveCorey.com for extra stuff from Corey TraeCrowder.com to see Trae on the road DrewMorganComedy.com Click Here to Read Corey's First Column in The Atlanta Journal Constitution!  

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They're the liberal rednecks that makes some people upset but they got them. Three big old dicks that you can suck. All right. Well, here we are, everybody. We suck them. Yeah, indeed. Look at you. With the freed bee.

The bee is free. You turn over a new leaf out here? Yep. The bee is free, everybody. I'm turning over a new leaf. I mean, we're serious about this? Yeah. I mean, I've been advocating for it for years, but is it finally here?

It's finally here. The year of our Lord, 2024. Yep. The bee is free? I think it's time for the bee to be free. You know, I am no longer, I mean, look, I've been, let's face it, I've been a boy for a long time. You know what I mean? I've been a boy.

And I feel like now that I'm a published journalist, I'm a man. And it's time to just be, I think, I feel like published journalists, this is what we do. We have slick head and we have a scraggly, shitty beard. And we give opinions that nobody cares. about and so there you go. Are you ready for the heightened scrutiny that comes with being a published bald?

Of course. Can't wait. I got nothing to say. Hell yeah, dude. If people read my writing and the thing they go after me for is my baldness, I'll genuinely be thrilled. It's funny because I thought this maturity

was like a late in result of fatherhood, you know. A little bit. No, it's just writing for a paper. that's done it. No, I think it's a combination of both. Like, I have finally accepted, like, dude, who are you, who are you kidding? Like, who are you trying to be?

Like, you're a dad. You're bald. Like, just, you know, accept it. I mean, I love wearing hats. And obviously, I'll still do it outside because, uh, you all don't know this. Drew might, because he shaved his head before, but like, getting a sunburn on your bald head is hell on earth. So, like, I'll obviously still take.

care of that, but like, you know, you've always told me, Trey, I've got a good shaped head, you know, why not? Why not just be a hit and bald? You've got the ideal shaped head. It's always like people that, I don't know, I guess it's confirmation bias, because I was going to say, it's wild how often people that have male pattern baldness also have a head that hits while shaved, but I guess that like maybe the ones who suffer from that, but don't, they go a different route Cover it up. Two pays or hats or something because they know their head don't hit. So you only ever see the ones.

Right. But do hit. Also, you're talking about people that are in movies. So like, of course. Yeah, by the way, I should go ahead and say,

and plug it. I was doing a bit, but I write for the Atlanta Journal Constitution now, and my first column came out today. So you can go to AJC.com, go to the opinion section. And you can see it. And I liked it.

And I got good responses from it. So. Congratulations. First of all, that's awesome. And your first paragraph was great. And then it was a paywall and I had to go do something else. But I plan on. I'll send it to you.

At least signing up for a free trial to read it. Second of all, I want to say, I had lunch scheduled with a friend twice. We had to reschedule who has a not hitting shape head, who I know was going bald. And I was genuinely hype. He's not on social media. I was like, wonder what this old boy did.

Andy Haynes has a relatively viral joke about how he has a terrible head, was going bald, and then his wife, Rosebud, just paid for him to go get plugs. Yeah, good for her. You look awful. That's the equivalent of getting your girl tities. That's great. That was his bit. That was his bit was I would buy our tities, but her tities are perfect or something like that.

Maybe I just threw that in there on my own. Rosebud's a baller. I want to say, I said published bald just to do a bit, but I'm kind of saying, and I kind of mean this, you walking around like that is going to have people treat you differently, not because of the Atlanta Constitutional. I really think you're going to be treated differently, positively, and then also expectations-wise, maybe differently. And I really, I kind of want you to write a joke about it.

I kind of want you to be like, I took my hat off and certain men started respect to me, but also it sucked because I had to do this. No one's ever been like, oh, no, that lady fell. What do we do, sir? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got, I had one, I've had one for a while that was, but before I slicked it when I was like, I'm wearing a hat so I don't care to just let it go a little bit where it was like, I had the hat on. And it's like, oh, look at him.

I want to pinch his cheeks. He's adorable. And then I take my hat off and they're like, where were you on January 6? And like, that's, that's like been part of the scary reason of like going complete skinhead because like that's so associated. like they took the bald head like the gays took the rainbow, except for one hits and the other doesn't. For whites, that's definitely true for whites,

which obviously that's, you know, mostly who was there on January 6th other than some interesting Latino people. But I just realized part of the reason I want you to do it is I had this joke that I think was too, like, esoteric about, but it's the same concept of like, I realize that I always have friends who are bigger than me.

And I realized why one night when I was out with friends who weren't bigger than me and someone in another group was like mouthing off to one of the women with us. And they looked at me like, what are we going to do? And I like turned to my right to find, you know, my buddy Keith and he wasn't there. And I was like, oh, we're going to take it. We're taking it. That's what we're doing. I thought Michael was here. He's not.

So what's going to happen is that guy's right. Whatever he said. Yes. Yeah. What did he said was true, women should not vote. I'm with you, dude. I would never in a million years go to a bar around here without Robbie. Never, it would never happen.

Actually, I'm bringing that bit back. That's a fire bit. I didn't try hard enough. Yeah, that is funny. But no, I'm with you. Like, I definitely hope that people, because I always used to,

I used to have a bit, too, that was like, uh, if I'm your emergency contact, you're going to die, you know, or like, you,

how horrible of a person are you? If I'm your emergency contact, whatever, but like this look, you know, like people are going to start being like you're more, oh, we should put more responsibility on Corey. He can handle it. Yeah. Yeah. You got EC face.

Yeah. And that don't hit. I mean, it don't, there's, there's parts of it that do hit. Like, you'll find that suddenly men just, like, want you to stand with them while everybody else does shit. Don't hit. I don't want to make friends that like the way I love. They won't talk to you, dude.

Okay. No, just, they'll just be like, yeah. I saw a meme the other day that is so true. It was like the best thing about the Midwest is if you walk up and see a bunch of dudes talking in the garage, you can just join them. And that really hit for me, which is kind of true in the South too. But yeah, I've got more of a that face now. I got a shed head. You do have a shed head.

Yeah, 100%. You got a... Yeah. Go ahead. People can be asking you about, you know, I mean, I guess people already did ask you about like, you know, the four. forthcoming football season and stuff like that. But now it'll be about, like, I don't know. If anybody's a technique.

Yeah. Things of that nature. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Cop news. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. But that's all right. You're used to it. But hey, that means I can be more of a mole. You know what I mean? So that's not bad. It's not like the hippest people in the world. We're talking the backwards hat version of you.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like then you were just like, hey, we're pretty sure that guy's got ketamine, otherwise we don't know why he's at this party, you know? Yeah, I mean, that's really a good point because before I just looked like a fratbro conservative, you know what I mean?

But now I'm... I do know what you mean. Yeah, but now I look like a Q-Anon one, so maybe people will leave me alone. Right. Yeah, you're scarier now. Trey, ironically, because he's known more for being the opposite of this, is...

Well, no, he's known more for... I don't know. You'll see what I'm getting when I finish it. Trey ironically is the only one who can just fit in with the queers. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right. Let me tell I open my mouth anyway.

Sure. But yes. No, that's true. How you open it, baby. Yeah, yeah. Nah, that tooth, son. Well. Yeah.

You got to do something about that. Speaking of that type of thing, not the tooth stuff, the stuff before that, there's, I got a, like, weird minefield of a question I want to bring up to Drew specifically. Oh, great. I was hoping it would be me. Yeah, because I feel like ain't nobody really talked about this at the time or if they did it just kind of

got forgotten by people. Because I got reminded of this recently and I was like, what? That happened? So last year aliens? Renowned actor and you know, sex past to say the least, Kevin Spacey

was acquitted nine charges. All of his charges. There were nine of them. Nine charges in the UK in a trial over there and he got acquitted on all charges last year. He was in the UK? Yeah. Did he have two separate ones?

I mean, well, that's part of what I want to get into is like I guess I think criminal charge wise, I think that represented all of them. But I think he still got some civil case shit that has not yet been adjudicated or whatever. But that's part of, first of all, I should make it very clear. I don't know the details. I'm saying I didn't even realize that had happened. I heard that the other day and I was like, what? And I went and looked it up.

and I guess he has been kind of attempting to get back out there. He did some, like, interview with Pierce Morgan where he, like, cried and shit, but, like, he cried about he might lose his mansion in Baltimore or something. So, you know, that didn't really hit for people. You don't have $100? Right. Yeah, right. But I just, you know, obviously, during your criminal defense attorney, a public defender, you were.

And I just always find that interesting. cases like this where it's like, I mean, O.J. Simpson got acquitted too. Do you know what I mean? But like, you know, how to, you know, how, how or this been? In the hurricane, you spent 50 years in prison. Right. Right. So like, from your perspective as a, you know, defense attorney and all that, what, what, if anything, does this really mean? I mean, it's got to mean something, right? I mean, I'm sure it hits for him. But like, what is it? Yeah. What are we supposed to do with that information, if anything. I mean, I think you, you know, I can't answer for anyone else, I guess.

Do you mean what does it mean for his case to reenter the zeitgeist and get in the movies? Do you mean, how do I personally feel about it? Yeah, I mean, I guess kind of both. It's one of those things where it's like, yeah. Well, if I'm his PR person, I'm hard, that's where I'm opening with. And I would say he was found innocent. That's not true.

Right. That's what I would say. Because it's like, most people aren't quite savvy enough to pick up on that slight difference between not guilty and innocent. It's not slight in reality, but it's slight in terms of the zeitguise. So I would lead with that. I think it could potentially. Here's why you can't do it, though.

If that's not the only one, it's going to, the follow-up immediately is. Okay, that was in the UK. What about that 14-year-old American? You fucked in that Baltimore mansion you can't afford anymore. Right. Side note, here's $100, Mr. Spacey. Why are you losing a mansion in Baltimore? But if that one blows over or changes in some way, yeah, I think it makes a huge difference.

We have been in this country inundated with this notion that the criminal justice system is in fact completely just black and white, did it or not did it. And that's the end of it. And if we make a mistake, we're going to podcast you until you get free. and if anyone listening doesn't know, I don't know what the UK's standard of evidence is exactly. I don't know if I can define it exactly properly, but we based ours off their common law.

So I feel confident saying essentially to be found guilty in a criminal context, there's going to be language in there that you have to be found guilty beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt. It's a pretty high standard of evidence. Right. So on a personal level, what does it mean to me? me it could mean anything it could mean that witnesses died because it's happened 12 years ago could mean that somebody saw his american case made some shit up in the uk trying to get money uh it it could mean that he has great lawyers and somebody screwed the case up it could mean that he did it

but the person he did it to is a twink meth head who's a terrible fucking witness and someone ate him alive on the stand and made him look like a liar because they've lied a million times because hey guess what abused people often suck his witnesses right Yeah, because I see in like, now I know murder shows ain't always accurate and stuff, duh, but like even documentaries and stuff where it's like the lawyer, instead of being like, I'm going to give you the best defense ever because you didn't do it and I'm going to convince him you didn't do it. They're like, I guarantee you I can fuck around and get a mistrial on this one. You know what I mean?

Like they go for that. But he did not get a mistrial, right? Trey, he was found not guilty. Yeah, yes, he was. It is wild to me that we didn't hear me. that we didn't hear more about it. My guess is his PR team have decided it's not worth the Jews isn't worth the squeeze on that. I mean, to think of it this way, let's say he was being sued here,

and he's in the middle of that civil case, and then he gets found not guilty over there. If I'm his lawyer, I don't want the jury to know about that. You might think, this is good. We're going to tell the jury, look, he got found not guilty, but somebody on that jury panel might not have any clue he was accused over there. Right. And go, God damn, you mean, you're right. I mean they're accusing this motherfucker on ever continent.

Right. So there's any number of reasons this didn't come out. I didn't know it. This is the first time hearing about it. Obviously, it's a huge victory for him. Whatever's going on with the American case, when it settles one way or the other, this will be good for him. Until it does, I think it's just a future win that you're hoping for.

Yeah, it's just it's one of those, you know, it's one of those weird things where it's like, you know, I mean, again, like, OJ got to quit. And that didn't really matter to nobody because the whole world watched that trial, though, this one's different in that way. But it's like when all this first came out, it couldn't have went worse for him, you know, and there was all these, a flood of accusations the way he handled it. Oh, it was like comically terrible. No one has ever handled anything worse. Right. Yeah, exactly.

And so it's like court of public opinion thing. And I guess as part of my question, it's like, okay, but he went to actual court. And it's like, so, you know. Well, he went to the court where they still wear wigs. I wouldn't call that actual court. And that is true. Well, to me, that almost feels more courty. More cordy.

How many times do you think the sentence was said, do you have Kevin Spicey's a poofta? Like a lot. That was said a lot over there. So I just, I don't know. It's very new. It's like, is there any kind of path to, when you go down that hard,

is there like any, you know, coming back at all? And I guess it should depend on like the truth of the matter, but how does anybody really supposed to know the truth of the matter outside of outside of things like this? I know, but let's be, I mean, objectively speaking, he hits real hard. That's what I'm saying. I know, but it ain't happened yet. Like, in the terms of acting, very few people on earth hit harder than he does.

Right. With directors, they let it go, but actors, it's their faces out there. Well, it's even, but even like, do you think if the Polansky shit happened in like the modern era? You think that would, you know what I mean? He just said, we go to France and keep in movies? Yeah, I guess that's true. And I mean, like, is he doing them from elsewhere? Is he still putting them out one a year and all that shit?

Because it's like, I mean, yeah, dude. And unless, like, one of the last ones that I saw was still like a Sony pictures, like, put it out. He might be doing them all independent now. I don't know. But, like, he's got some deal with prime because, like, all his shit comes up on there. So, like, but I guess what I'm saying is, like, it would be easier to, I won't say forgive. But, like, with the director, you just don't think about. at it. It's like, oh, it's a movie, whatever.

But with an actor, it's their face. You see them. Right. It's completely different, you know. Yeah, now it looks like Woody Allen. I mean, he kept up his pace until like 2017. Then he had 2019, then 2020. 2017 was Cafe Society? Wonderwill. I didn't see that one.

The Society was 2016. And then since 2020, he's had one movie Coud de Chants in 2020. He may have just like falling off, but I almost feel like the fact that you haven't heard about it means people either care too much about what he did to go see it or he's so, you know, what he does is, you know, it's satirized a million times. He has a change. He also old as fuck. That's what I'm saying.

Like, he might just not be relevant anymore. Right. I'm just saying like, you know, his, like some of his later work, I guess you can call it later, but like, I think Midnight in Paris is his finest movie. That's me, you know. And so in that, and that was like 2012 or something, I was like, God damn, he still got it. And then all the shit really resurfaced and it's like nothing else is coming out.

But like also the difference between 75 and 85 is pretty stark, you know. Right. Yeah, I mean, 2012 was fucking 12 years ago or whatever. Right. I never was an aficionado. I mean, he's got somebody. damn movie. I also love Midnight in Paris. I saw that one. I feel like I saw a lot of his biggest ones over the years, but I'm far from a Woody Allen expert. I always, I mean, I know

you like connected with it, but he always felt like one of those like, you know, he's very, he's obviously extremely New Yorkie and like, and also. He just feels like, right, well, he's very Jewish, very coastal feeling. Like, I never, yeah, he really felt like I connected much with, with Woody Allen as general rule, although I mean, I connected with his, like, anxiety. You know what I mean? Like, that type of person, that's what I connected with, like, that awkwardness or whatever. And, like...

Oh, I've never said this before, but I, I don't... I really hate Woody Allen. Yeah, that's fine. I think... Like, the way you had. You always did, or like, you mean... Yeah, yeah, like... Yeah, like... Yeah, like... Like, I can understand that. What's he gonna do? I don't... Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I've heard, don't... Go be in a bitch, dog. Dude, I've heard, like, big,

hitters who I respect their opinion say basically the exact same thing that you did. Not you, Drew, but the people I respect. No, no, no, no. I didn't mean it like that. What I meant was like your, your opinion is very, like, that's, it's fine to have that. Like, you're not on the fringe or anything. Like, but he's very, he's very fucking divisive. Like, you either are in or you're out.

You know what I mean? It's like, before we had this word, it felt in Sally. In fact, I would say he's not in Midnight in Paris, is he? No. Mm-mm. Maybe that's what, like, I hate Woody Allen as an actor. I can't stand as stupid. Yeah, my favorite movie of his, he's not in.

I mean, Owen Wilson is absolutely a stand-in for Woody Allen, but I like him playing a neurotic. I like him playing a neurotic person better than I would like Woody Allen playing an erotic person. And also, I like Cafe Society and Woody Allen's not in Cafe Society. So there you go. Well, getting back, I guess, to Spacey, legally, Trey, it's a little. it's a win because it's a win. I don't think it will help at all his other case because I can't imagine a reason

that you as his defense lawyer would bring it into the other case. It just seems like, especially if it's civil, that it would be bad for you. And then PR, I can speculate on that. I'm no more qualified than you guys. You know, I think there's a double-edged sword here

that we haven't brought up, which is that it's gay sex. The double-edged sword there is people are going to be, like, less cool with it. there's this thing like if he had fucked a 16 year old woman right there's a lot of dudes would be like i mean come on oh yeah they don't like that he's the gay the gay part but at the same time which is weird because he thought that was his get out of jail free card well the flip side is people hear that he screwed a 15 year old boy yeah and is if that boy's gay if it's not like

a priest and a weird like whatever if that boy was a partier who ran away from home and and then ended up at a Hollywood party. There's also a lot of people who were like, what are you going to do? You know, it's like it's either homophobia or that thing we have of like a 14-year-old boy Scruise's teacher. And we're like, so we all give them a high-five or what, you know? I don't, I mean, there is a real hunger to like end cancel culture completely

that just is allowing the strangest rewriting of history. Kevin Spacey hits hard enough. let me say it this way. If he was straight, I think this would be huge for him because the right people who hate cancel culture and who want to march against it and protect themselves for doing some bullshit would have had him on Fox News immediately. But he's a big old homo and a liberal or he used to be.

So it's like, who's the audience who wants to forgive Kevin Spacey? I don't think they're American. In France, I bet the motherfucker could have never stopped taking roles. If he speaks French, I guarantee you, he could be in all their movies. Well, dude, Gerard de Pardue stayed doing all that shit, and he was there that. You know what I mean? I mean, that's where Polansky went, too, and where he banned for 50 years.

Right. Well, France, I mean, you know, you know how they be. They're just. They're like that. They be rape. Yes. Very repi. Yeah.

Just part of the culture over there, wine, cheese, rape. Viva la France, baby. Yeah. Stank. Can't forget stank. V stink and viv rape. Of course, the stank. We love you, France.

We're kidding. We know you don't just stink and rape. I do think everything Drew says true. But it does stink when you rape. I also think that I really do think that a lot of how it all played out from him when it all went down to is definitely not helping anything. Like the way he handled it initially, but then also when he like came back on YouTube with those ass-frey-ass-fucking videos he was making that could not have been creepier or more ill-advised. like I just like all that type of shit just kind of made people go like

okay yeah this motherfucker is some kind of deviant or whatever and no matter what happens in the no matter what happens in the court of law or anything none of that's gonna go away for people like you know what I mean when no no I'm with you

when he came number one when he comes out and is like it's okay I'm gay it's like what the fuck are you talking about but then when he was like I'll tell you what's a good idea I'm going to come out as Frank Underwood, my character from House of Cards, who was a horrible person.

Right. And I'm going to do the worst, like literally the worst, the worst fucking person. But I'm going to hit so, and I'm going to hit so hard at these analogies and Anthony Hopkins comes out as Hannibal Lecter and is like, God, listen, I'm sorry. Right. Yeah, yeah, it's the same fucking thing. And I was like, only a guilty-ass lunatic would fucking do that. Now, let me ask you both a question.

He just not long ago, he put out a semi-trailer to this, like, noir film that he's been working on that I don't know if he personally financed or whatever, but like, it's independently made because I don't think any big studios are working with Kevin Spacey. And it looked wild as hell. And now I like, I love noir. Now, here's the question. I don't want to support Kevin Spacey financially, but I'm very, morbidly curious as to what this fucking movie is going to look like.

Where can I see it and still remain a good person? Well, that's up to you, dog. Also, let's be honest with ourselves about who we are. I mean, I'd have to be a good person before I could remain one. That's right. I think that's up to you, but if you're

like concerned about it, wait like a month and see what other people say about it. It makes you suck. See if it's worth it. Hey, got me off the hook by blow. in it, Kevin. Yeah, right. That's true.

But, like, it looks so wild that I'm like, I know, first off, I know he'll hit in it. I have zero doubt that he'll hit in it because he's like never given a performance that suck. But like, I'm just curious what an indie Kevin Spacey post all this movie looks like. You know what, man, I know. I'm going to pirate it. There you go. That's what a lot of people say. They say, just pirate it.

You know, sell the high seas. That's what that's a lot of the internet advice. for us for so yeah that's good because i was about to bring up i mean because he's an actor i mean he'd be getting residuals right so even like his so i'm saying if you care about any of that it also would apply it to his entire uvois right and he's got and i watched bangor i watched american beauty a week ago i'm saying like yeah right because i feel like the exact same logic applies and i know that it don't hit but it's going to be real hard for me to just never ever watch it a kevin an old kevin spacy movie i mean i've already

But you know who else gets residuals? The people that worked really hard on that movie that didn't rate. That's why I feel so bad for Malcolm Jamal Warner and all those people who like relied on Cosby money. Like it is not fair to them, dude. 100%. That's also a very, very good point. So, yeah, I don't know. But I was about to say before, I didn't know about that movie you just brought up the noir.

But I was going to say like you feel like especially in the wake of the acquittal and whatever else, there will be people out there who like are trying to make a name. for themselves. They got some script. They're trying to get made independently, yada, yada, whatever. And they want to make some kind of splash. They're not currently in the system. And they'll think, like, I bet we can get spacey for this. Because, like, what else is he doing?

And if we get that, you know there's going to be headlines about it and yada, yada, so I figured that type of thing was coming before long anyway. Right. So it checks out to me. I wanted to make two points. They were a little controversial probably, or one of them is. But I think it's true. That whole thing when he came out was like,

like, but I'm gay. And then like a week later, it felt like a week later, he was like making those creepy fireside Frank Underwood chat things. I do think it's possible that him being in Hollywood and being in gay Hollywood for as long as he was, let me say this this way, because I'm genuinely, in my opinion, not saying something that's homophobic.

It's an insult to men, which just happens to be the only people who make up the gay community. They have Hollywood and then gay Hollywood specifically are two areas of culture that have very different views on sex than especially middle America. Oh yeah. Just like us. Right. So I could see him thinking like, you guys don't get it. I just went to a party and fuck the kid.

Right. We all do that, right? Yeah. I mean, the thing is, before the internet, they did and you didn't get called. I guarantee you there's a huge part of him that's like, really? me, just me. Literally everybody was, that's what, that's what parties were in 92. Yeah.

Ask Brian Singer. There should be some people paying for his house. Yeah, right. Yeah. Now, Roblo, to be fair, and I'm not saying this makes it okay, was like 22, I think, when he had sex with that 16 year. He might have even been younger than that. But still, yeah, there's a part of me that could, I don't want to say empathize,

but could understand how, I guess that's what empathy is, someone who's been in that world being like, I just need to let people know, guys, what do we, it wasn't a big deal. We all do it. Right, because that's how far removed they are from. When you've been at Kevin Spacey's level for as long as he has, like, you do not remember how, like, it's like that Chappelle's opening monologue on Saturday Night Live when he's like, sorry, only got one room, one seat left in this hot air balloon motherfuckers, you know, like, he don't know how to talk to people anymore because he's been, well, Kevin. and Spacey's been at that level for so long that, like, he don't know what the real world be like. Right. And I want to clarify what I'm saying. Like, I feel like in gay Hollywood, the appetite for sex is all male driven. There's no female balance to that. So it's a, you know,

a lot of fucking me going on. Sure. And then the fact that it's Hollywood, I think we all know and accept that every version of Hollywood is depraved inside the underbelly. I mean, it just is. Yeah. Oh, it's a horrible. business and like one that I actively want to be in. I just have to like say to myself like, well, every business at the top level is horrible or whatever. But like, yeah, man, it's full of fucking ego maniac lunatics that like you read so many, you know, I've read so many books about old Hollywood of these dudes that ended up rising to power as producers or whatever. And it's like they had, they didn't give fuck one about

movies. They wanted to be super powerful. and they chose this avenue to do it. You know what I mean? So it just attracts egomaniacs. And therefore, when you've got a system of egomaniacs, and then everyone is competing to get a job from that ego maniac, you just all turn into fucking insane sycophants that turn into egomaniacs. Yeah.

Well, speak. A whole other thing, but it is related to this, egomaniacs, show business, all that stuff. we were talking about Woody Allen earlier, and I said I never really connected with him just because of the background and all that shit, it didn't really speak to me or nothing. I also, I saw this Hulu documentary that was about like shock jocks and stuff.

It got me thinking about how like, Davey in the bud. Drew, I know that, I think I know that Corey be having, he'd be versed in the history of here, but like, were you a Howard Stern person, Drew? Were you exposed to him when you were a kid,

Morgan County, like, was he a big deal where you were at? It was not a big deal. I was exposed to him a little bit. We had a stolen bootleg satellite television. Hell yeah. Yeah. Like many people in our area. When he was on E. Just like flipping through the channels and then seeing his circus of a show, when I hit about sixth grade, I'd stop. You know what I mean? Well, that's also... had so many things that would become and still remain to this day my favorite things. Titties, little people, comedians. Right. And that was where all the girls gone wild commercials were, too.

Comedy Central at all. I'm about saying. I saw those in Comedy Central late at night. Yeah, it was both. But I'm saying, like, those are my two things. Howard Stern on E. Right. And then Comedy Central late at night, you know that you're getting two bangs for your buck.

Because I've heard Corey over the years every now and then he'll reference some piece of like Howard Stern lore or something. And in the moment I'm always just. like, okay, right on. But like, but really, I didn't, and, you know, my dad on the video store, we had private parts that his movie. Like, I was aware of him, but I feel like I had zero exposure. Like, my dad didn't really fuck with him or anything. I don't, I know that that show was on E, and we had E because we stole cable too, but I don't think I ever saw it. So, like, I just did not, I didn't choose and I fuck with Howard Stern.

I never had any real opportunity to fuck with Howard Stern during his heyday. when I was at the right age for it, it was during the 90s and all that shit. But I was watching this documentary that covered him heavily the other night. And I was thinking about how like, it's just like a blind spot for me. It's just something I totally missed. But, you know, there's this big.

He's unreal, man. Well, there's this big, okay, A, I want you to go on, but there's this big debate. And I don't know, controversy is right where the whole thing with him now. Him or Imus? Well, about how he like, his,

the way he came up versus, how he be now and everything. He's kind or whatever. He's right. He's like, and people get older. They change whatnot. Of course.

You know, he's like super liberal and very, very liberal, very woke, but also, yeah, he's like kind or sweeter, gentler,

Howard, and there's a lot of people being like, he was then too. It's just liberals used to be cool. Bro, well, okay, he might have been like liberal or whatever,

but that's part of what I'm saying. I was watching this, not a feminist. watching this documentary, and again, I had no exposure to, I knew he was wild as hell. I knew it was titty's in the studio and all that stuff.

I knew all that vaguely. But, like, they went into this shit that he did where he, like, he would, uh, you were saying egomaniacs, he would, like, go after other, like, shock jocks of the time. Yeah. You know, like, personally to, like, take them down. And, like, there's this dude in Chicago whose dad was dying of cancer. And Stern did this whole public thing. Like, every day on the radio, like a death clock countdown to this guy's dad finally

giving up the ghost. And then he had, like, a party when the day. dad died and had an effigy of his corpse and desecrated it. And then another guy got his ex-wife to come in there and like sit on his lap. And then she later killed herself. And all just like crazy shit that I did not know about. No. Because I wasn't paying attention back then.

And so I'm just saying like, I don't know. I just found it kind of wild. No, it is a pretty glaring juxtaposition, I guess. The only modern comparison in my opinion and the fact that they're both Jewish as a coincidence. is Ari Shafir. Yeah. Where all his friends... It's like, hey, you're listening, though, aren't you?

Right. It's all shocked. It's all like shock. I mean, he dosed Bert, which he apologized for. He made a Kobe joke the moment he died that went super viral. On his own special, another woman had been filming before him, and he just made the cameras pan to her and called her a fat bitch. Didn't know who this wasn't.

Like, these things that are very juvenile where you see a grown man doing, doing it and and I think Howard deserves a lot of what he's getting, Trey. I think Jimmy Kimmel to a certain extent does too. He gets allowed the same thing. People are allowed to change. Right. But if, but when you start going after other people for being the way you used to be,

which already is far as no by the way has never done, but Ari has like owned up to a lot of, like has like owned up to a lot of his immaturity, talked about how, you know, he had a lot of problems, uh, speaks his mind on social issues now. I mean, Ari's a Jew who speaks up for Palestine all the time.

Like, you can't paint him as a guy who has no heart. But one thing Ari hasn't done, in my opinion, is go after people who still act the way he used to. Right. I think it's fair. I mean, dude, I think Howard Stern is really great at reading the moment. You can't get famous as him being the good guy. No. And then you can't get as famous as he did.

and be an underdog, dickhead, you know, what do you want to call that? Shock jock, obviously, is what we used to call it. In the day's modern world, I guess we call it Edge Lord. I don't feel sorry for him at all. I think he deserves every bit of it, and if he gets sad about it, he can go count his money.

Well, what is he getting, like, a lot of heat, right? Is there something going on? No, I just, because I've watched this documentary, I just am aware it's been a conversation. I'm not saying it's, like, currently raging or anything. I just know it's a thing that people, and Drew's right, people have also, I've seen where people have said the same thing

about Jimmy Kimball too. It's just people being like, where does this guy get off being this way now today considering what we all saw him do, you know, back in the day or whatever else? And also just real quick, I don't know if you know, but Ari and Howard Stern, they had a bit like they don't have for each other

at all. They have like that. Yeah, they hate each other. As far as Kimball, I do want to give him some credit of, he's addressed that. Right, right. He was young, dude. He's basically said, I was a comic, doing comedy stuff. now I'm the host of a major show.

I do slightly different things. And he claims, and I don't know if this is true, I've never looked into it. I've never gone after a comic for doing a joke. I go after politicians or actors for being hippocry. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, dude, fucking, I'm ashamed of shit that I did six, seven years ago. You know, like, you grow as a person. Like, I'm a better dude now.

And, like, I think I'm certain that, you know, whatever the line is now, it'll be different in 10 years. and we'll have to be like, oh, wow, I didn't even know we weren't supposed to do that or whatever the fuck. But, like, I do have a problem when people look at something, like, look at something. And on both sides, too, when, like, it's us going after a Republican or whatever. It's like, well, 25 years ago, when you were in college, you build a blah, blah. And it's like, okay, dude, people grow up and, like, don't have those same opinions anymore. So, like, kind of miss me with that bullshit.

But Howard, you know, built his entire brand on that shit. And like that, I do think he's grown as a person, but the way Howard went about it with the complete, and by the way, you're talking to someone who was a fan, you know, the complete exploitation of women. And like, you know, when he had Anna Nicole Smith on and like wouldn't let her get a word in without calling her fat and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's who you are still. Like, if you're a grown man and you're doing that, like, you can eventually realize you were wrong. Like, oh, maybe I should. But it's in you.

Like, it's in you. He didn't give a fuck. And he falls under the category of people that I just really don't care for, which is like they go, you know, any publicity is good publicity or like, or like, hey, you know, he's just doing his job. He's just doing it to get views, you know, whatever, blah, blah, blah. Or like, I remember it wasn't that documentary, but someone, this was true, NBC, when he was working for NBC Radio, the people that rode in that loved Howard,

they would say they'd have like, why is, why do you love Howard? And it would say, because I, or why do you listen to Howard Stern? And it says, because I have to know what he's going to say next. And all the people that hated Howard Stern, but still listen, they go, why do you listen to the Howard Stern show? And they go, because I have to hear what he says next. It was the same reason for both. You know what I mean?

I don't respect that. Yeah, right. And, but I'm saying like, hey, he wanted to get big doing that thing and he sacrificed his morals for it or whatever. but you're right with all that stuff that he would do like he had to be the number one in the market and he didn't give a fuck how he went about doing it now he did a lot of positive things to achieve those those sorts of things like he was doing stuff on radio that like is so commonplace now but nobody did it back then like he would have a bunch of people in there doing what should be it was a visual medium but they were doing it on radio and his argument would

would be like, they're like, they can't see it. And he's like, right, but the energy in the room is good, which makes all the guests funnier and makes everything better. And like, he was totally right with that. Like, he'd have a woman come in there and ride a Sibbian. Well, like, the people can't hear, see that, but they know it's happening. Yeah, we can now. Yeah, but the people in the room were reacting to it.

And it was changing the mood and shit like that. And so he did a lot of groundbreaking stuff. And he all, but another thing. thing about Howard that I, one thing about Howard that I disrespect is that like, he constantly shits on podcast and stuff. That's actually, that's why him and Ari, that's the source of him and Arishafir's beef. And to me, I'm like, I'm like, Howard, you're, you're really booming out here, brother.

Like, I'm sorry, but like, look, you got into radio and like, of course you think radio is the greatest thing ever. You're the only one with $100 million a year deal with serious. You know what I mean? own part of series too. I always feel like his hatred is really just a business move to keep to like keep telling his fans, don't go over there and listen to this free stuff,

keep paying for ours, which I get, but it's like, that's another thing I don't. But just shut the fuck up. It was like when Roy, when we had Roy Wood on our show right during COVID and we were talking about Trey had brought up like all these people that can,

you know, they only consider me a YouTube comedian. And Roy was like, man, he's like, fuck all that shit. He's like, because what YouTube is now is just the new thing. He's like, radio people hated TV people and vaudeville people hated radio people, right?

It's when there's a new thing and you got good at the thing before that and you're going to now have to check, which Howard don't have to change. He don't ever have to do anything the rest of his life. But like, I think in his brain, he's like, he don't like the fact that just anyone can do it or whatever. But it's like, by the way, in order, if you have the number one podcast, you're good at it. You know what I'm saying? But like, it's just that whole like, it's like what Roy was talking about. It's like, this is the new thing. And he's like, I'm not for the new thing, but just shut the fuck up, man.

Yeah. Did you, so did you watch it a lot back in the day? And or like, were you, was you exposed to it just on E? Just that's the thing. I know, because my parents wouldn't let me listen to it, dude. But also, we're even, we're Southern radio stations, you know, carrying that show? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. That's what I, maybe in Atlanta, there was one. Yeah, probably. Like, because that's what I thought, too. It's like, I feel like, I know he was. syndicated nationwide, but it couldn't have been much around the South, but maybe I'm just wrong, but I know where I was at, but like you, were you like, I mean, were you like pretty into it? Because like I said,

sometimes you'll, you'll bring up, you'll say shit from like old Stern that I don't, I don't even know what you're talking about. I was super. Remember the people involved, like the cast members and stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was nothing by the way. It's like, he reportedly didn't take great care of a lot of, a lot of his people. Like, a lot of people that made that, that were very popular on that show, we're like living in squalor the whole time they're on it while he's making 20 million a year, whatever. And I'm not going to, I'm not down with that either. Yeah, I'm not going to comment on that only because I'm, I'm, I'm really good friends.

I'll be seeing him this weekend with Shulie Edgar, who used to be on the Howard Stern show. And, and I know that, I don't know that that's true about Shulie. I do know that that is true about some of the people that got, but it's like, Stutter and John's also a dickhead. So maybe that one's on him. You know what I mean? Like Stutter and John fucking sucks. So like maybe Howard did.

Like, well, see like that. Like, why do you say that? Sturter and John fucking sucks, dude. He fucking sucks.

Like, I'll tell you why personally. Well, first off, he don't hit. Secondly, like, Stutter and John,

he would, he, he, I remember one time, he messaged me and I was just getting in a hotel, we were doing a show, right? And he messaged me on Twitter and he was like, hey, do you want to do my podcast? And I was like, oh, hell yeah, stuttering John. He's like, okay, can you do it in 20 minutes? And I was like, well, no, I'm about to get ready to go to a show.

And he's like, okay. And then like, week later, he messaged me, hey, yo, do you still want to do my podcast? And I was like, yeah, he goes, can you go, can you do it in like 10, 15 minutes? and I was like, I also was like about to get on an airplane or something. And I was like, no, man, I can't. I'm about to get on an airplane. And he blocked me. He blocked me. Like, you can't do, you can't do, I'm, do you not know who I am.

I'm stuttering fucking John. And I told Shulie that story. And Shulie was like, oh, yeah, that's, that's exactly him. He's like, his ego is insane. He's like, he got, he was on Howard, got popular for a minute. Leno had him. And he thinks he's the greatest thing ever. Shulie and them actually have a podcast called The Uncle Rico Show that the print, and I think they've done literally 400 episodes now.

The entire podcast is just about how much Stutter and John sucks. They shit on him for a shit on him. It's Shulie and several other rotating cast members that were on Howard Stern. And they take clips of Stutter and John's podcast and just shit all over them. And that's the whole fucking show. and they've got like a pretty big following. Yeah, see, I didn't know anything about any of that. This is what I'm talking about.

But like, you like know these people even. Yeah. Yeah, you're plugged in. But yeah, that's funny. Just to make a brief point, the world. We created, which was circusy and very much for teenagers and like overgrown men who call in on sports radio instead of talk to their wives. Yeah.

And then these are the people who did get elevated. It was literally a fucking down syndrome guy who they made. made fun of. And then the Baba Bowie, Artie, who rode the line. Even Norm,

you see Norm on there sometimes going, Jesus, fucking Christ. Yeah. Like, he was an asshole. He had an asshole show

full of assholes. They were the skanks before the skanks, dude. I honestly think Howard's a worst person than most of the things I know about the skanks.

Yeah. I think Howard is like way more of an egomaniac. He's definitely, dude, he's one of the biggest ego maniacs ever.

And he addressed it in that movie he did, but I think in a way that was just like, I don't know, so that he could say that he addressed it. Like,

no, no, I know and blah, blah, but like not really that he gave a fuck. But another example of this that we're dealing with right now

is Ellen. Ellen canceled her big tour because no one was buying tickets. She says, because everyone tried to cancel her for being mean, and then she's like, I'm not even that mean.

There's like a part of me. I think he was pretty goddamn mean. Yeah, there's a part of me that's like, man, if you hit at a high level and you're not getting accused of like rape, what is bothering you so bad about the truth? Right. And maybe it's that with Howard, maybe it's that like you know if that comes out, your brand's ruined. Right. Like Ellen's brand is that like she gives away money and everyone feels good. I guess that's it.

They want to remain in the spotlight and they can't if people know that they're like this. I don't know. I think I'm losing the thread a little bit. I'm not entirely sure what my point is. It's just like I'm not surprised when I find out anyone famous as kind of a dickbag. Of course not. It's been that level like I'm like dude we've talked about this before but like you you'll see like I don't know hypothetically. Let's just use Mark Wahlberg as an example or whatever for right now. Great guy. Would have stopped 9-11. Yeah. Would it stop 9-11 hero. But like let's, I'm only, I'm always. I'm, only using him in his example because his his like daily schedule like he's made it pretty famous and it's out there

where it's like he wakes up at 3.30 he takes a polar plunge then at 4.30 he works out 5.30 it's breakfast. He gets 18 holes of golf in every day. He does all this shit by 7 so that he can blah blah blah blah blah do all yada yada yada and the

the rock you know there's a similar thing too with Ellen I'm sure she had this insane schedule to keep up with this and sponsors or whatever And eventually, I think it, you only egomaniacs will do it because I'm looking, if I'm looking at what it takes to be that type of person, I'm here to tell you, I do not have it in me and it will never happen. Not that I don't have a good work ethic, but like, you have to be so fuck everyone else in the world. My family, my friends, fuck them all. You know what I mean?

And I think that that's, yeah, like there's probably a rare exception. Like Bill Burr's at the height of comedy right now, and he seems like an all right dude. But like, he could still continue to hit further. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you get to the level where you're a goddamn institution, it's like you've had to step on some fucking necks. There's no fucking other way around it. Yeah. Yeah, I think.

But I mean, I remember one, without saying the guy. guy's name. Mark sent us a screenshot of a daily schedule for a guy he worked with who was like a pundit guy, like a sports pundit, not a political one. So like going on first take and going on sports center, like that type of thing to talk about whichever sport this guy did. I know, I'm just not saying. But, uh, and it, it was insane. And this dude's like a former pro athlete and does that all day. And, and, and, and, it, it was insane. And, um, it was insane. And this dude's like a former pro athlete. And, that was the whole context of Mark sending it to us, which basically him just being like,

I don't even want to hit. No, right. Yeah. Like, what hitting it? Because I mean, yeah, that guy was like not overly famous with a huge,

with a huge, like, what not all the famer? Didn't have a big, you know, like massive social media presence. I'm aware of or nothing. But it was every,

you know, gets up at 5 a.m. every day and his entire day is regimented out until until fucking 10 o'clock at night or whatever. Well, the thing is, you don't just start doing that, though, when you,

that's how you get to that status. So it's like we go, man, he does that and he's not even like a main. It's like, because you got, who knows one day, whether he will be or not. I'm sure he was doing all that during his playing days. Right. Getting up at 5 a.m. He's going to whatever ice bath training room, whatnot. And then it's weight room, gym, film tape, yada, yada, yada, all that shit.

It's the same type of thing. He's probably been doing that for 20 years. Well, that's why this business sucks is because you could, all that stuff is like, you look at it and you go, this is what it takes to get to certain levels. level, but then it's still all subjective and you could do it all and it not work and it not work out. You know what I mean? So like it becomes even less attractive then. Like if someone came up to you right now and they said, Trey, if you do the Mark Wahlberg schedule, you will achieve every single one of your dreams. That would make it a little bit easier to hop into. But when

you realize that like, this might not even work and I'd like to see my child turn 13. Yeah. Yeah. I bet there's all kinds of people out there in the days of, you know, hustle. culture and grind set and all that, people that like assign themselves the Mark Wahlberg daily routine. Do you know what I mean? They do. Contrive one up out of thin. When they don't really have enough stuff to justify that. But they make it to where they do. And just because they're trying to, I don't know. Dude, hustle. Hustler is why we're going insane. You guys know I'm, I agree with you completely. I think if you're going to do anything remotely like that, try to focus on one thing, blow that up

and then launch yourself into the other stuff. But just to give, I guess, not some pushback, but like, I don't know, keep the conversation going in a different direction. Had our TV show that we sold gotten made, I do think during filming, our lives would have been pretty like that. They would have been, yeah.

For sure. Justification would be, this dream is right here. Yeah. And so I think there's plenty of people in Hollywood who aren't monsters who live that way. They either, A, can't sustain it or B, dwindle it down into this thing that they can wrap their head around and bring their kid to work or whatever. It gets back to what you were saying, Corey, of like, you know, what's Howard Stern great at? I mean, he's like, he was a good interviewer. He is a great interviewer.

He is a great interviewer. There's no to nine. He's a great interviewer. I don't want to take that from him, but what set him apart from Imas or anyone else is this monstrosity aspect of his personality, in my opinion. Now, I'm saying among talented people, am I trying to take his talent away?

I'm saying among talented people, what set him apart was a thing that I think it's fair for people to be like now that he's changed and he's like doing this new thing because everyone got woke where he's like, I think it's totally fair for people to be like, I know you don't mean that. Right.

Fuck you. Yeah. And I think it's fair to he, you know, like, I think he finally ventured out of his house. But like, it was not until long ago he still wouldn't leave his house because of COVID. And I'm, and it wasn't like at the height of COVID. I'm literally talking about within like this calendar year and people were like shitting on him for it. And like I was all about it because I was like Howard shut just fucking, you know what I mean? Like, but he then made the point.

He's like, you know how big my. goddamn house is. Okay. I don't even have to leave. All right. We've got a coffee shop down at the fucking end of the pavilion. But like, no, I mean, I agree. But when I listen, he's on 100 101 on serious.

Most of the shit that I listen to of Howard is if I see that there's a guest that he, like if fucking Bruce Springsteen is the guest, I want to hear that interview. Or I listen to like all the old classic bits or whatever. but that's, you know, that's what I, I don't listen to Howard every day. And back in the day, again, you couldn't. Although my dad, it's funny, like, he was like the opposite end of the coin of Rush Limbaugh. Like, because my dad used to say some of the same shit about Rush Limbaugh was like, you know, he'd be like, you know, sometimes he says some stuff that's fucking way far out there,

but like at least he'll say it. Like, you never know what he's going to say next. And like, at least he ain't afraid to blah, blah, blah, blah. And like that type of personality, Howard Stern got it. Rush Limbaugh got it. Fucking Trump got it in spades. Alex Jones got it, you know. Yeah.

Tim Dillon. Tim Dillon's got it. Tim's real funny about it. But Tim claims he's just doing a parody of Alex Jones. Right. To privately. Yeah, I hear you. I do think that if you pretend to be something for so long, you become that.

Me personally. but, uh, I bet he can afford a fucking mansion in Baltimore. Oh, dude, he 100% can. Yeah, 100% can. And that, and I don't, I don't have it in me to be that. And look, I have a big ego. Like, I'm not going to act like I don't have a big ego, but I have no desire to be doing a live stream every single fucking day,

talking for hours and, you know, constantly being out there and blah, blah, blah. Like, I don't. And, and maybe it's the kid. I don't know, but like, I don't, I don't have that in me. to be that, like, dude, Burke, like, the way Bert be, like, constantly, like, and I know me and him have a lot in common, but, like, I mean, just constantly fucking camera and face all that you, I just don't, I don't have it in me.

And good for him, you know, he can also afford a mansion in Baltimore, several of them. I think I could afford a mansion in Baltimore. I'm the poorest person we've talked about so far. Yeah, I could probably do pretty all right in Baltimore. Yeah, I did. Just like Drew was saying earlier, I think that, I know that I would go along with it for a little while.

It would definitely burn me out and maybe I would stop. But like he said, sometimes it does kind of happen to you. Like if our TV show had gotten made, I mean, I remember. And it's just, oh, I'll do one more thing. One more thing. October, it might not have been literally the calendar month of October because it might have included the election and Bill Maher and all that too, which was the first week in November. But basically there was a month-long period in 2016, starting in October when our book came out.

And we had that serious morning show in New York and all the book things that I was on real time. I think I was pitching. I was pitching ship for Warner Brothers at the time and all this, all that was happening at the same time. And Katie, the boys came out here when I was in Burbank doing Warner Brothers shit for a little bit. So I did see them. But there was like a 30 day period where I was home one day, one day and 30 days.

And every, and my life was kind of briefly like that. And look, it did not hit for me, but it kind of happened to me. And I definitely, you didn't have a secretary though. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, because eventually you just, you go, well, you have to do one. It all comes with, well, just one more thing. Well, just one more thing. Well, just one more thing. And then you're like, I'm going to do it, you know. But I do think if I got in a position where my life could or would be like that every day for like indefinitely, I would reach a point where I was like, I'm not.

Yeah, I've got a number. Unless you just, well, you just hire, you just hire more help, you know. That's all I can say. But here's a huge difference. and there's two aspects of it. There's a willingness to bet on your set. To put all that work in, not knowing if it'll work out, and tell the people in your life to fuck off,

not knowing if it'll work out. And then also, you goes back to Katie. It's way easier to sell to, like, for example, I'll just use her as an example in your life because that's what we're talking about. It's way easier to sell to Katie. I got to go to New York for this serious show that's going to be listened to by hundreds of thousands of people

and pays me X amount of money. And I've got to go to pitch to Warner Brothers, where if it goes through, I'm going to make this amount of money. And I've got to fly out to a show where I'm making this amount of money. So for the next 30 days, I'm sorry,

you got to buck up because I also got to promote the book, which, as you know, made this amount of money, and she's going, right. We're a family. This is good for our family. Versus, baby, I won't be home till three for family time because I'm hitting these open mics.

And then I'm going to go to this coffee shop and write. Huge different. And then I'm going to hang out outside of studio and hope this guy that I know pops, by, you know, it's like, you're on your own. And by the way, a lot of people in L.A. are on their own for that reason and bless their hearts because so few of them are actually talented. Oh, yeah, man. If I wasn't successful at what I did, Amber would no longer be supporting me like she said she would when we got together.

And I wouldn't fucking blame her. You know what I mean? Like if, if, because I am busy a lot, but like everything that I do generates money for our household. So it's like, well, of course, like go work or whatever. And I, you know, I do work a lot. but like, I don't know. Like the certain type of like, whatever Jimmy Fallon had to do to get the job

and whatever he's got to do, I can't. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, say the right thing all the time and, you know. Speaking of how we won't do any more than we have to to hit, then let's shut it down here. Y'all come see me this weekend in the Midwest, Des Moines, Omaha, Kansas City.

Not in that order, though. And then San Antonio's next, and then on from there. Go to tracruder.com. Check it out. I have Riley, Asheville, Chattanooga, Atlanta, and one of the Saints in Florida. I don't remember which one. South of Jacksonville. You can go to my website and find out more about it.

I also have a don't tell set coming out. I know most of our listeners don't know what that is, but it can be a big deal. If you want to help me out, I would really appreciate this. go follow Don't Tell Comedy on YouTube and or Instagram right now. And in the next few weeks when you see my mug on there, like it, comment on it, share it. Don't say something weird like, Drew told me to comment on it. Just say something weird like, LOL. And that's it.

That's all you got to do. And it will help me a lot. Thank you. This Thursday, August 22nd, I'm popping into the comedy catch to hop on a showcase, have fun with some friends. Other than that, I'm just writing articles over at the Atlanta Journal. Constitution and doing my bonus stuff at we love Corey.com. Go over there and check it out. Thank you all for list. Oh, they'll listen to putting on airs and gravy baby and weekly skews. Thank you all for listening to the well-read show. We love to dig around longer,

but we got to go. Attune in next week if you got nothing to do. Thank you, God bless you. Good night and skew.