wellRED podcast - #412 - Well Sh*t

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

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happy election day. When this is being listened to, it's, well, we still won't know. I mean, nobody knows. Man, you really ran the gamut of time. space there.

Yeah. Yeah. I think we'll know, we won't know tomorrow. Well, I don't know. Like, I think, I just don't have faith anymore because last time we didn't know, like with all the early voting and some, like, I saw a chart where it was like, you know, Georgia, uh, mail-in ballots, they have been reporting as it's been coming in and they've been reporting like steadily.

But then there's a couple other states that are like, no, we do, we'll do the mail-in ballots after the regular election. You know what I mean? So there's what's going to happen is like tonight we're going to see some results and it's going to be like, oh, wow, this is it. But then it's like, we have to account for we didn't count the mail-in ballots until now. And I remember last time it was like, well, that favors Democrats because a lot of more Democrats vote early because, you know, for a while Trump was literally telling people don't vote early. That's how they'll cheat you vote on the day of. So even though now I've gotten at least five letters.

to my house from the Trump team, like, vote early, you know, so they flip-flop. So I don't know. Yeah, I can't. I got nothing in terms of when we're going to find out. I mean, I think there's going to be some fuck shit go on in a couple of states, both with, like, lawsuits, but also just like there's going to be some bullshit. Like some states, attorney general or whoever is in charge is going to have to do the right thing because I guarantee you there are people in power who are not going to do the

right thing in those states. It's part of the plan. It's, to me, it's like one of the main reasons not to vote for the guy. Probably second or third biggest for me is like he will cheat. He wants power regardless of actual democracy. And openly, not even covert. There's Donna Hashem. Right, he says the things out loud.

Dinah Hashim has this great joke. And it's a both sides joke, but it's a both sides joke that works so well. She's like, I think Republicans just like Trump. They like a con man. They like that he says what he's going to do, and it's a con, and they like a guy who will lie to their face. They like a con man, whereas liberals, we prefer more of a con artist. Yes. And that's such a funny and true situation with American politics for the most part.

But I think there's going to be fuck shit. I think it's going to come from them. them being the right. I hope she wins by a lot. Me too. Me too. Yeah, you know what's funny though is I've seen it.

And if he wins, I kind of hope he wins by a lot. Yeah, I've seen it come straight. It's coming straight out of like the Roger Stone playbook of like what was so brilliant about when Trump first decided to run. It's like his first, the first thing he implemented was,

hey, anything you ever see bad about this guy is fake news. And that was it. and people believe that. Well, as soon as it gets close to, hey, everybody can vote, they already started with the whole, like, just so, you know,

there's going to be cheating, there's going to be this. So, like, in no situation, are they going to not assume some fuck shit has happened? So, yeah, by your standard, if it is a landslide, it's like, well, surely if they were going to cheat, they would have cheated small.

So it looked, you know. they are planning to claim the election was stolen. I think for Trump, that's more of an ego slash money-making thing. Yeah. Like play the victim, don't have to be president, get to like whatever. The brand still the brand. But I think for the people around him, it's a power thing. I mean, do there are people close to him, close in his vicinity in his power cabinet, whatever,

who absolutely don't care and will just. take it if they can and that's freaky. And I mean, again, I think a lot of people would do that but wouldn't be like they would be like afraid of going to prison or didn't think they have enough people on their team or whatever and he just doesn't have that.

But yeah, I don't know. I don't even know if you asked the question. I think she's going to win. I don't know when we'll know. I think they're going to try to like do really, really nasty stuff in some swing states. And well, I'll save that. That might be a dark.

Well, my thing is I don't know what to believe because, number one, I'm once bitten twice shy about any type of polling because, you know, Hillary was supposed to win by a landslide. And meanwhile, I was the only dipshit that was like, I don't know. I've kind of seen the country and I don't know who these people, their polling are, but I don't think it's a great sample. I don't really feel confident in this. But then it's like one poll come out and it's this. Then right after that, they're like, oh, no, no, you see, this is the poll, right? this is the poll you got and I'm like okay whatever and then it was but for years it's always been like fuck the polls it's whatever the Iowa caucus says that's the number one indicator of everything and she

she's got him by three points in the Iowa caucus but I'm like I still don't Bernie one Iowa right I just don't trust of course that I don't and I'm not saying that I don't trust the poll workers for the record I'm just saying I don't trust a lot of them I'm yeah but I don't I don't I don't trust a lot of them I'm yeah but I I don't trust the whole process because, like, I feel like there's, you know, somebody had pointed out how, like, in 2016, there was a lot of secret Trump voters. There were these people who didn't want to admit that they were voting for Trump, but they totally were. Like, Kat Williams had that bit. I didn't know y'all can keep a secret white thing. Exactly.

Like, they're in line at the poll just like, mm-hmm. Well, somebody had pointed out that through some independent polling of theirs, that there might be an equal amount of secret Kamala voters, which are dudes who. formerly voted for Trump or used to be Republican, and it's not that they're not Republican. They're just genuinely so tired of this motherfucker that they're going to vote for Kamala, but they would never say that out loud to anybody because they don't want to ruin their friendships. They don't want to be alienated at work or whatever. So because of how polarizing everything is, it's just hard. I don't, like, I don't know if somebody randomly came up to me in the street and just started asking me who the fuck I was voting for and shit, like,

I might just tell them to fuck themselves because I don't know what I'm, what video I'm about to be on or, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, I think all that's true. I think it's possible,

though, that if people are shamed or secretive about voting for Kamala, I could easily argue that's a bad thing for her prospects because that means Trump's no longer the shameful candidate to some people. And also, I don't think we could overstate the depth of misogyny. that runs through this country. Oh, man.

It's a black woman now. Right, and a lot of people are coming out for Trump who didn't before, and you could argue they didn't before because they were, like you were talking about, they were secret Trump voters.

But I think now it just has more to do with, like, they feel comfortable being like, fuck her. I mean, Joe Rogan just endorsed Trump and he claims it's because of something Elon told him.

Elon Musk hasn't said an intelligent thing about when American, society or politics ever that I know of and certainly not in months. So I just, we're broken, man. We're broken Trump, the pandemic, Gaza. We are broken right now. We are piping in just pure anxiety and fear right into our fucking cortex through a phone.

And I just, like my only hope right now. is for two things. One, I do want her to win because of judges and abortion. Yeah, the Supreme Court is in the balance. But I want to point out that I've voted for Democrats for years for that reason, that being among many reasons. And it didn't matter. And here we are. Right. Without it. And I'm furious about it. And I stay furious about it. Barack Obama should have codified, codified it. Ruth Bader Ginsburg should have fucking-state.

it down and not been a goddamn egomaniac. Sure. There's so many things I'm mad about. We don't need to get into that and make it about me. But I'm saying my hope right now, I do hope she wins. My bigger hope, though, is that she wins in a landslide and we don't have much unrest or violence or fuck shit. There's going to be some amount of fuck shit.

The proud boys didn't just go away because they arrested their little leader. We have emboldened white supremacy groups who are chomping at the bit. We have a bunch of crazy former military dudes who still want to do the electric bugaloo or whatever it's called. All these things are on the table, and that's freaky. That's scary. And we're Russia. And by that, I mean, like, when I was in college, I would see videos on eBom's world of the crazy shit Russians were up to. And I'd be like, what a wild.

place Russia and Eastern Europe are. And now it's like, we're that. Right. At least they got the Louvre. I think that's in France, but. It's Europe. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. You said Europe. They got the Louvre. I just, you know, our politicians are for sale. It's just, I feel like people don't want to hear my doom and gloom, even though I know I'm completely right. We are in a bad.

space in this country. Our politicians, all of them are for sale. Trump has convinced a lot of his fans he's not, which is so funny. It's so funny. Because he's the most for sale. The most for, right. And that's going back to what you were saying of, like, Joe Rogan said that he's endorsing Trump based on something Elon Musk told him. I bet you the thing he told him was, I'll give you $10 million.

Or, you know what I mean? That's a good point. It could just be that because like what brilliant thing. Elon Musk and Joe Rogan have been buddies for like 10 years and they've been talking about nothing but Trump forever. And apparently none of that has seeped into Joe Rogan's mind until right at the 11th hour and all the sudden when, you know, Elon Musk is already doing some pretty criminal activity of like literally, hey, anybody registered to vote here? You're in a lottery for a million dollars. It's purchasing votes. It's illegal.

there's there's something to be said of like Elon being like hey by the way Joe if you will endorse Trump and if Trump wins and say I'm the reason yeah yeah right and he you know he's gonna put me on this uh board and when he does that by the way I mean I already know you already know that I boost your algorithm on Twitter as it is but like I'll give you the fucking top spot and some cash and all this shit and like dude it wasn't that he told him I guarantee you it wasn't that he told him something that made sense policy-wise. It was a favor. It was a, I'll do this if you do this.

And for the record, Joe Rogan officially endorsing Trump is just kind of like, bro, you've been doing it for four years. You've just now released a statement. Like, you've been endorsing him by having him and everyone in his corner on your show and talking shit about Kamwa this whole time, which for the record is your right to do. but it's just crazy to think it's for some virtuous reason other than money being changing hands. And I'm with you in the sense that like,

yeah, dude, Obama had a chance to do some good shit about the Supreme Court. Biden has had a chance to do more stuff. And it's like, yeah, they're the do nothing Democrats. And I'm fucking sick of that. But like at a certain point, I would rather vote for someone who's going to do nothing than someone who will actively do a bad thing

you know, but going back to that. They're actively doing bad things too. Sure, I just mean in these, I mean in these things. I mean personally, I couldn't like hear that and not reply. I understand. And in specific ways, of course they are. Or presidency internationally is evil. And I don't care what anyone thinks about that statement.

Because if you think anything other than that, you're wrong or an asshole. Yeah, I was just speaking on abortion rights, but you're completely. You're completely correct. I'm not arguing with you there. And this goes to another thing that I want to say, whether this is just a statement or a cry for help, for the past eight years, Democrats have been able to run on one simple thing. We've got to keep Donald Trump out of the White House, right? And so the whole platform has been, at least we're not that guy. If Kamala Harris wins.

and anytime by the way you go on now, like during Biden's presidency before he even got kicked out and Kamala was running, anytime Joe Biden did some fuck shit and you criticized him, rightfully so, you got replies of people going like,

hey, even if that's true, you're saying that makes Donald Trump look good, so don't criticize. And because their whole thing was, you know, we have to tow this line because this is how we get to Trump. If Trump doesn't win, it's more than likely he'll never run again.

because he'll be fucking 80. I mean, now, don't you're wrong, J.D. Vancewill or whatever. My point is, if he loses and he's done and we no longer have the, we've got to do everything we can to keep Trump out of power, it is fucking time to start holding Democrats' feet to the fire and going, now you've got to run on something instead of run against something. You know what I mean? I think it'll get worse. But I'm saying we should scream at least.

I think it'll get worse. And the reason why I think it will be worse. I think there will be plenty of people who stop saying those things, but they'll just fade away. They won't then become people holding Democrats' feet to the fire. They'll just go about their lives. It'll be like, all right, we beat fascism, thank God, even though. No, we didn't. I don't want to get into it.

But we beat the oldest fascist. That's all that happened. Right. So there will be people who stop being that way. I'll grant you that. But some people will remain that way and they'll get louder. Yeah. I've seen enough, I think, on the internet the last few years that there is,

DJ calls them Blue Maga. There is a section of people on the Democrat side that have become borderline cult-like. Right. About, you know, hating Trump. And I hate Trump, too. When he goes away, I don't, I think they'll figure out. a way to maintain that identity. Right.

And again, I think it'll be less people, but I think the people who remain doing that kind of thing will stay loud. They'll be shaming all of us left and right. And then also, by the same token, a lot of people won't be complaining about Democrats. They'll just go on about their lives. And to some extent, that is why you vote for somebody. To some extent, you vote for somebody. So they'll do their job of governing.

And you can just, like, raise your kids and go to work. And if you're gay or straight, get married. And you know what I mean? Like to some extent you do vote for someone so you can do that. And I understand that. I understand the human desire to stop being fucking stressed or worried all the time. I think that human desire will be so strong that I just I just don't see it. When?

When are we going to hold anyone accountable from the left? The only time we've had a chance to do that was when Bernie was a viable candidate. If a viable candidate emerges, who's like, I'll come for the fucking throne. right if you don't you know but the thing about that is she'll be an incumbent dog yeah that's true but what about like primary her like all these how do i how do i how do i fucking say this without sounding like an idiot how are they are these democrats the top democrats the dnc people are they not cognizant of the fact that the reason that this is a close race is not so much that so many people love Donald Trump, because Donald Trump's going to lose the popular vote. No matter how this goes, he's going to lose the popular vote. He always has. Most Republicans always have. But the reason that this race is going to be close is not because they got so many Republicans to come out. It's because the Democrats have decided, fuck our base. We're going to try to appeal to more moderate people and they're alienating the base, which is making the Democratic base go, you know what? Fuck y'all. If you've Trump,

wins y'all deserve it because you've not been trying to do anything to make me get excited to vote for your fucking ass but it the answer to that in my opinion there's like five theories and i think at least four of them are probably part of the truth i think one is the current democratic party at the top and the policies reflect a sort of half clinton half obama outlook right the people those types of Democrats, people who like that outlook, a lot of them are dying. Right.

Like, that's a boomer liberal. To some extent, it's a Gen X liberal, but the issue is sort of these are rich, powerful people who are going to live till they're 90. Well, the people who agree with them are fucking dying and or, like, fading into whatever.

They're not in, like, they're just not in touch. Clinton's specifically are not in touch what's going on you know, with everybody else. Obama and that camp is to a certain extent, but also a lot of millennials feel really sold out by that. So there's a disconnect. That's one theory.

Another theory is dark and cynical, and I think there's some truth to this. The way policy is shaped, it's rarely, with some exceptions, it's rarely like this guy or gal won, and they have a lot of power and clout right now, and this is their vision. Obamacare's a glaring,

counter example. I put my name on it. It's called Obamacare. I want it done. But everything else surrounding the Obama presidency and everything surrounding the Biden presidency was for the most part shaped by people in Washington.

Right. Well, I'm not sorry to say this and I don't. I think I'm in my heart, I believe I'm 100% right. That's mostly horrible people. Right. Regardless of how they feel about abortion or gay rights or whatever.

Trey Crowder, everybody. Drew, go on. You can restart your thought for Tray. I think that the second reason there's a disconnect between quote-unquote the Democratic base and the top brass of the Democratic Party is that outside of a few things like Obamacare that someone can put their name on and say this is my signature move. The rest of a policy from any administration is made up of Leifer Washington DCers. I don't think it's too cynical. to be like, they like being the we couldn't get it done people. We got to raise money. We got to stop Donald Trump. It's so much easier to raise money from that place and to keep your job from that place. So I think that's reason number two.

The first reason, Tray, as I said, a lot of them, like the Clinton era Democrats, they're old. And the people who agree with them and where that type of Democrat are dying. And so young Democrat, I think there's a genuine generational disconnect. And Corey was asking, Wiser seemed to be a disconnect between what people want and a democratic brass. Then number three,

I think, I really do think this, especially like you see what Clinton said in Michigan. Where's the pussy? To a bunch of Lebanese and Palestinian people, literally to their faces, was like,

we got to let Israel blow your people up. They're retarded. That's something that no one's talking about. No one's, No, the thing I want to say about that is, and this is true, the messaging, there's a disconnect in the messaging because they don't know that people see the world differently from them. Right. I think they, I think Nancy Pelosi genuinely thinks me and her have a lot in common. Right, because we both hate Trump.

That's their thing. We both hate Trump, therefore everything else. And we like gays, and we're pro-abortion. Right. And it just takes a little bit more than that in America. Part of the reason it takes a little bit more of that is a dark reason. Part of the reason it takes a little bit more than that is like people like Trump and they think he's cool and would be their friend.

And just Democrats haven't had anyone like that in a while, you know. I mean, Obama to a certain extent, but he made white people uncomfortable. Clinton had it. So there's a dark side of that too of like, we've all had a joke, a version of the joke about it. Liberals stop being cool. Right. So the disconnect partially is like they're trying to figure out how to win elections and they're asking pollsters.

All right, I got a buddy who works in politics, and he was talking about how he thought it was a good call to have Nikki Haley come out in Iowa and endorse Kamala. Because in... Not in Iowa, in Wisconsin. Because in Wisconsin, the margin is slim. Who's going to win that swing state is slim? And he was like, you brought in 70,000 Nikki Haley supporters

who now might go for Kamala instead of Trump. And my counter to that was like, Yeah, or You brought in 30,000 of them Because the other 40 like Nikki Haley But not enough to listen to her on voting for Kamala Yeah, because she's cute, right? And she's a right winger.

Yeah. So are you actually moving all 70,000 of them? Right. And then how many people Were on the fence And they're not going to vote for Trump But how many people aren't going to vote for you now? How many people are going to go Jill Stein

or set this one out? Because you got Dick Cheney. Cheney, Liz Cheney, and Nikki Haley supporting you. You're saying, oh, we're making the net lighter. Or you're alienating some people. So I think those to me are, like, that's a political play. I don't think Kamala Harris gives us shit about Nikki Haley. It was a cynical, cold political play to win.

And I'm glad Democrats are trying to win. I really am. That was a, fuck all that, people's feelings. We want to win. I don't know if it. it would work. But I do think it's the answer, one of the answers to your question, why does there seem to be a disconnect between what people want and what they're doing? They're trying to win. It's a gamble. I just think there's such a fundamental flaw in every time they do that when they're

trying to get like, you know what we need to do is we need to get those people who are on the fence. We need to get those moderate people or whatever. And that's such a small fucking percentage who most of them, like you said, are still going to be like, yeah, I like Nikki Haley, but she's a Republican. and so I'm not going to vote. Instead of what they should do is appeal to the much larger demographic, which is the base who a lot of whom are just sitting this one at home because they don't like a lot of, fire them the fuck up. Like that's how you win the election.

So the assumption is we've got the base anyway. So this is a shrew move to go over the top. They may be right. Your question is, why is it seem like there's a disconnect between the top brass of the Democratic Party and the base? That is one of the main reasons. They're doing a lot of shrewd moves in order to win. Whether it will work or not, I'm not commenting on at the moment.

I will if you want me to. But I do think that's an answer to your question. That's a part of what's going on. They are doing a bunch of things to win. I keep seeing too this whole like George Bush's not endorsing Kamala as the deafening silence. I was like, who the fuck is going to be like, damn George said so? like it's not going to happen like it doesn't matter why do we give

a fuck what this goddamn war criminal it's like I'm I'm not trying to excuse his behavior but like he don't have to fucking endorse nobody you know what I mean and why the fuck would it matter do you really think that we are just one 9-11 starter

away from giving the thumbs up to a goddamn sweep of Pennsylvania are you a moron I happen to agree with you but I understand the other side of the argument, which is the Lincoln Project people exist. There are Republicans who are going to vote for her because they hate him. And the gamble is, and we won't piss off enough left.

It's worth it. I don't know if it's worth it, but I mostly interact with people my age and younger on this stuff. And that's who they're selling out. We won't have to forgive them. We can replace them, but that's the gamble that they're doing. How long have you been talking? Like how long have you?

26 minutes? About eight years. Yeah. Sorry about that. I don't hit. So yeah. What are you guys talking about anyway? What's going on?

What did I miss? The election. We were talking about the Rock's new movie. Which election? The president, the big one? My father was running for Alderman. Yeah. Yeah.

He's trying to be alderman of Scott County. And Andy, confused me we knew that in a minute I thought I was going to get a vote for him and I'm not going to get to and I was worried but it turns out

there's only four people running for four positions so did you get to vote at all? Yeah I got to drive to Marrival to do it okay I mean your your vote don't matter

so no I don't think it matters against Blackburn either but I'm going to drive to Maribel to cast a vote for Gloria Johnson like I live in Georgia I had to you know but you're

you're good do you uh since you have a cousin-in-law or whatever running for alderman, do you now know what an alderman does? What does an alderman do? It's my father-in-law. I'm literally in his house right now, and I have absolutely no idea. I'll never know what an alderman does.

It said a lot of Shakespeare stuff. Here's one example of a thing that he was involved in the decision-making process, and he lost. There's a parking lot owned by the town in town. And someone had a proposal to do X or Y with it. And he thought that was a bad. It was related to where I live is a hotbed for these ATVers, the rich ones who have these side by sides and spend like four days in a row driving along the mountains, muddened, you know.

There was a proposal to do something with that parking lot related to that. I don't remember what it was. He thought that was a bad idea that it wasn't going to generate any money for the town or taxes. They should do a different thing with it. He lost. And as best I could tell, he was wrong. right. According to him, they should have listened to him. So it's stuff like that. It's like the town owns this piece of property. What do we do with it? Yeah, I just looked it up. The simplest

definition on Google's, it's like a local town level like congressman type thing. He's not the mayors. He's not the president or whatever, but he's like a part of the decision-making body of a community. That's what an alderman does. My grandpa's best friend was an alderman. Like my whole lot he got he was an alderman in salina for like 40 something years and i'm not exaggerating at all he literally talked exactly like uh farmer fran from uh yeah yeah he had a guy don't know down he called her about hey man man we know that man he's that like but he wasn't caged or nothing it's just he had such a real bad time he had a guy like that or whatever and he was like that we do that there train man you're no dad there that's grandpa bled dude like you

My grandpa, they have been friends for years and years, so he could understand him just fine. They just have, like, a regular conversation with each other. But to most other people, he was completely unintelligible. And, yeah, he, my first impression. He was elected alderman 25 times or something like that. Yeah, my first impression in school to make my friends laugh was my buddy's dad who talked like that. And his son name was, they called him Roscoe.

And he'd be like, God, you know what, now y'all go down there football game, Rocco. He doesn't caught that fact. And we're going to get your own boy. And we would just all be like, can we still drinking your barn? Yeah, my boy on there. It's weird how there's those archetypes. You know, in like southern towns or redneck places and stuff. Do you know what I mean?

It's fun. You have one and I had one. Everyone has one. LSU's coach was one. Yeah, yeah. Which there is the mayor. Yeah. And the governor.

More than the mayor. Yeah, right. Bigger than the mayor. He hoared his way out of that job, I think. I mean, he hoared and lost a little. He lost, but I think he was hoaring and drinking too much, which is why the loss is piled up. Yeah.

He just stopped going to practice because he was just up at the condo, just hoaring and drinking and making that it too far with that. Well, he won that championship and got like a huge payday or whatever, and then when they went downhill probably because he got lazy, and then when they told him like, hey, you got to go, but, you know, college coach, he still gets paid. They're like, for fire, anybody still gets paid. And he would just like, no, you want me to you.

Go tigers. You know, like, he was, like, pumped about it. Like, you for the boat. Which they should be. Everybody knows, like, fired college football coach one of the hit this jobs in the world because you pay millions of dollars to not do your job. But most of them have to act like, oh, this is bad. This don't hit for me.

No, I don't. But, like, oh, though, Coach O was just like, no, this is what's up. This is a hell. Yeah. Got me three full fan boats. He's very different than most of them. I think most of the world would be like him. I think the difference is like the type of person you got to be, generally speaking, to get that job.

Yeah. Is the kind that's like very self-motivated. Want to win. And like, Woods Jones is embarrassed that he isn't, you know, at a prestigious place. Whereas Ed is like, I got paid. And I want a championship. I still get to eat et tufei and people still like me. Yeah.

That's the other thing about Ed. He was so likable that people's people in LSU would still buy him a drink. I wouldn't buy Butch Jones a ticket out of town. I'd just murder him. Yeah, no, I was about saying, Butch Jones, he ought to be embarrassed. He should be. Yeah, right. He was the most out of all.

Duly, too. Yeah, but even all the clown show coaches we had in between Fulmer and Bobby Hill, our boy, Josh Happle, I was never, I personally was never more, like, cringed out or embarrassed by any of them than Butch Jones in particular. He sucked. It's corny. He was just so Brick by Brick.

He just made me cringe every goddamn week, dude. They got five star hearts are recruits. They're champions of life. That's what matters. You know, like that all matter.

Stupid shit. And he had good players when he was saying those things. He was losing with Alan Camaro and Josh Dobbs and John Jennings. These are. They're even used Alvin Kamara up really. Right.

Yeah. Well, and who was ahead of Kamar? Another NFL player. Jalen Hertz. Yeah. Who plays? It's a different position.

Not Jalen. What was his name? It was. Jalen Hurts. But Jalen Hurts went to Alabama. Jalen Hurd. Jard. Yeah, yeah.

Hurts is the quarterback. Yeah, Jailen Hurd. Yeah. So for me, it was like, you did so little with so much, and you were corny. Dooley was just like a goofball who was a loser. And like everyone has one of those every once in a while,

except fucking Georgia. I think he did it on purpose. I think Dooley did it on purpose, just to hit for his dead. dad. Yeah. Sliper-R-Aid. Did he actually, did he, I mean, I've always felt like Georgia and Tennessee

didn't have a whole lot of acrimony compared to like the other teams that they both play and stuff. No, not much, but I mean. Like hate Tennessee. May I just assume. Yeah. Yeah. Because, yeah, I mean, I've always said like, don't you're wrong, Georgia, Tennessee's

a rivalry, but like, we both butt when it comes to like Florida. Like our hatred for Florida unites. us enough to where it's fine. We've never been great at the same time. Yeah, right. There's that too. Hopefully the next few years, I mean, actually, I hope your coach dies and you guys fall apart. But hopefully for us the next few years, we get to have that.

Our game will be a game this year, son. Florida ruined our greatness multiple times. That's true. Alabama has done the same thing to us since then. So, like, that's where that comes from is like when you were this close and the same team keeps doing it to you or whatever. And they, yeah, like the jokes, I mean, they get that because Alabama has also done that to them in that Kirby Smart era. So, but yeah, no, that's what it is for show.

So you got to start out talking about the election and just, you know, people are going to hear this tomorrow, right? Yeah. But people still ain't going to know who the president is. Well, that's what I was going to say. Like, yeah, if people know, correct me if I'm wrong, if people listen to this when it first comes out and the world knows who the next president is. Landslide. probably a good thing for... Yeah, it's a great thing.

Us, right? Because that's the only way that that happens. In all likelihood. He won by landslide, but I don't think that... I don't think that's on the table. I don't either. I hope not. Anyway, but yeah, that would be kill me. There's everybody talking about this is going to be just like Reagan Dukakis and I was like,

bro, that was such an outlier. Like, ain't there's... That'll never happen again. No, just... I'm just going to pretend... Nothing like that. Although I do think there's a lot of people who genuinely believe that and they've been led to believe that

so that, you know, when that don't happen, they'll be inclined to... Yeah, it's cheating. Yeah. Light their torches and... There will be people die tomorrow because of this election, and I'm not being flipping,

but that's true. Whether they die tomorrow or within the next couple months or whether it's a January 6th part two, like, no matter what happens tomorrow, it's going to be a dark period and there will not be, any type of smooth transition of power unless like I said she wins but even then it's going to be like

fuck man I don't know uh there's going to be a lot of state level fuck shit go on when she win and if she wins Ted Cruz is only up by like one point so maybe that can work out too that would hit Ted Cruz not losing in a landslide is one of the most because like even the things he's even the things Texas is about he ain't that I can't believe they ain't shot him and just put another guy. He's one of those shining examples of like just how,

I don't know, party committed so many people are where it's just like at the end of the day, he's a Republican and that's how they're going to vote because like he clearly don't like hit.

No. Anybody and there's people that tolerate him like even Republicans are like he's just slimy and he don't hit for people but yet he ain't law. He's been elected however many straight times and they always talk about how he's going down and he never does

because at the end of the day, Texas is red and he's, Republican, they're just going to do what they're going to do. But, you know, what does he do or offer the party to prevent them from replacing him? Is it just like incumbent against a black guy? Maybe, you know, it really hits for them when we really, really hate somebody on their side. And he's very hated. Yeah.

Well, he's nailed that immediately. I reckon, you know. Yeah. That hits for them always. Somebody pointed out, like, all these Texas dudes are running on, like, we're going to fix Texas. We're going to clean up this mess when, like, Republicans have been in. charge of Texas for 25 goddamn years? Yeah. So like

whose fault is it? That's how that always goes. Like, because they also talk about like how all the Democrat ran cities or all crime-ridden hellholes, right? But like they've been in charge of like places like where I'm from or whatever which could not be in worse shape

and has been so long and they've been you know, but that don't, that don't count. That's somehow also the Democrats' fault. Of course. Just everything is. Right. I mean, that, you know, I mean, that sort of was. Yeah, scoreboard on that.

They've had it for so long. But they've had it. That's 25 fucking years ago or whatever. And they've been in charge that whole time and things have only gotten worse. Through them, they shoot themselves in their own communities in the foot. I posted something another day and stuff. Right before I deleted my Twitter before all this election stuff. I posted something and somebody's reply was like, oh, were you this upset when Bill Clinton signed NAFTA?

and I was like, well, I was seven. Right. So in hindsight, no, that don't hit for me. But yes, I apologize for not picketing between episodes of Stick, Stickley, and Rocket Power, asshole. Dude, you just reminded me of one time I got to, like, do the other thing when someone did that. So before we had January 6th, we had January 20th. Do you remember when Trump won? That's not true, January 20th is after January 6th?

Yes, but this was 2016. Oh, I was just thinking. about how months work. January 20th, 2017, right? 17, thank you. Trump won and then all, during a quote unquote riot, a bunch of journalists got arrested. Or maybe it's the January 20, maybe there were 20 of them. Maybe it didn't happen on the 20s.

The 20s was his inauguration day, I think. Okay, so that's what that is going to happen then. Okay. All these people got arrested, a lot of them were journalists, and it was like, you know, at the behest of the federal government, these journalists got arrested for just trying to report on what was going down. And then I made a post of like, you know, this being fascism. And this guy who I like, this Trump supporter named James, he quit comedy.

I think he lives in the woods now, was like, oh, yeah, all these people out here crying against fascism, where have you been the last four years? Where were you in the bush, you know, like, why didn't you care about fascism then? And I got to be on, well, I was in court fighting fascists. So what now, bitch? Like, does that qualify me? to speak on the fact that 20 journalists got arrested? Like, you can't, what about your way out of 20 journalists getting arrested?

We look ridiculous in the eyes of the world. Everyone hated Bush. What are you talking about? Like, John Stewart's whole show was fuck Bush in the ass, and he was our king. Yeah. But it's just like, it was the only time my life when somebody goes, oh, yeah, now you hate fascism? What about? And I'm like, actually, I got receipts.

Yeah, I like, speaking to John Stewart. he uh they were it got brought up on the daily show of like why isn't george bush uh endorsing camilla harris and john stewart sticking his roots was like fuck that piece of shit i don't want like he's like i'm not going to be one of these new democrats that all the sudden softens on george bush fuck that guy and i was like good for you john johnster's been hitting for me uh on his one day a week on the day of the show for 40 years now yeah yeah well it's also have been hitting for me as a long time Stuart fan. I have a lot of friends

who are further left than me. And he's like on their list of people who isn't, you know, who aren't truth telly enough from whatever it is. And I'll just fucking send them clips. I'll be like, you know, actually he said something about that. Like, you hate John Stewart fans because you hate Libs or whatever and you're out here

trying to own them just like the Trumpers are. But this motherfucker been going hard. Stay's going hard. Head to toe legit. Absolutely has integrity. Even if you disagree with him, He's been consistent. For sure. And also it's like, yeah, every now and then he might say, he might contradict himself in

some way, but it's literally just in service of a joke or something because he's still a comedian. You know what I mean? But like, yeah, as far as it goes, like, that guy has been fuck, Fox News before Fox, before anybody was. Like when it first got started, he's, if you go back and watch a lot of that indecision 20, Indecision 2000, like, that is still the same John Stewart. He's just even more educated on it now, and he don't put up with no bullshit. And, yeah, it's nice to have him back in our lives. Yeah, do you see, he did, I don't know how hard he went to bat for,

but he did at least partially defend Tony Hinchcliff in the wake of that, because I remember people were like what they said. They're like, man, comedians got an even stronger. They said, uh, cops or something like that. No, they said, not as strong as the police union or. They said that they said dock workers in the 1910s would be jealous at how strong communities stick together or comedians stick together or something like that. They said both of those. But now I'm going to employ that and defend Stewart.

People played one clip. And the clip was him showing Tony Henscliffe at the Brady roast and going, I like the guy. He's funny. and then he showed what he did of the thing and he's like, you hired the wrong guy for the job. Right. Wrong time.

I would imagine in John's heart of hearts he wanted to say, those are stupid, those were bad jokes. Like carving a watermelon is such a hacky and shitty thing to say to a black man in a room full of other people.

But I'm not, I don't think John was correct and quote unquote defending Tony. But to say, this dude is funny sometimes and you shouldn't have put him in that position. is a true state. Two things can be true.

Hey, I like this guy when he does his thing in the appropriate venue, but this wasn't the appropriate venue to do it. This is the thing. Like, most comedians...

Honestly, the only part I disagree about, he then said, you hired a guy, he's going to do his thing. Yeah. The only part I disagreed on, I was like, yeah, but if you're at that level,

you should be able to have more than one tool in your tool belt. Well, he does not. And also, he thinks he's so like, things have been hitting so hard for him ever since the Brady Roast and stuff. No one's called him no. Exactly.

No, but he is, I thought he was good at the Brady Roast too, and he does have it in him to be really good at that type of thing. But I think he's in a position now where it's like he thinks every single one that he comes up with is gold. Also, you play to the room. You know what I mean? I was going to say that. I was going to say that too.

I was going to say that too. Also, to be fair to him, I get why he would think. Oh, they're going to love this. I mean, hell, I would have thought that now the big backlash from everybody else or whatever, yeah. It's just that they're hacked. That's the only thing that bothers me. Well, he's a hack. I know.

Right. Like, the damnedest part of this is that he now gets to be remembered for a joke instead of hosting an open mic for people who are on government aid. Because that was absolutely what his legacy was. Oh, that guy, he hosts Kill Tony. What's killed Tony? It's an open mic, but most of the people are absolutely insane. And he gets just funny your friends to come on there and make fun of them. Yeah.

And now people are going to be like, who's killed Tony? The guy who made the Puerto Rico joke. He changed the presidency. They're going to say he bombed that he tanked Trump's. If Trump loses, they're going to give him credit. That's a win for him. He'll be a hero. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.

A lot of people. Or a heel to people who he spent years people being claimed that you are a bootlicker. For years, people would claim. Tony, you bootlegged to Joe Rogan, you bootleck to Trump. Now he gets to be like, nah, see, I ruined his. He gets to actually be cool. I hate it so much. I've got a buddy who's Republican,

and he was talking about how he did not enjoy the Tony Hinchcliff, Trump. Like, he didn't enjoy those jokes or whatever, just because he didn't find them fun. Like, he's still a Republican, but he also is smart and has a sense of humor, and he's like, that just wasn't really that good. And he goes, and I don't understand, because Tony Hinchless is usually funny.

I love watching Kill Tony and I said, well, let me, can I explain something to you real quick and blow your fucking mind? He's like, please, I'm all ears. I go, you love Kill Tony, right? And he goes, yeah, I go, okay. So Kill Tony is Tony sitting there surrounded by dudes like Rogan, Segura, Ron White, all these really funny guys. And then the people who actually perform are often either really, really funny, meaning

that they're responsible for the show being funny or they're really, really bad. and then that dais of comedians, usually Segura and all these people make fun of them, and thus that's a funny show. And he's like, right? And I go, what does any of that have to do with Tony? He's just the one that books it. Name a line that he said during all that that you found funny. It was never Tony. It was the people surrounded by him.

And he's like, oh, God damn, you're right, man. I was like, right. Tony is surrounded by a lot of funny people. And he realistically is Spirit Airlines Donald Tosh. Daniel Tosh, you know, and he was like, fuck, I guess you're right. And I'm like, I'm not saying, I'm, listen, far be it for me to shit on someone who is clearly more successful than me. But at the end of the day, this guy has open mic level chops, but, but Bill Burr level fame for some stupid fucking reason. And that's all that is.

And you got to see him. It's all those people sitting beside him that you mentioned. Some of whom are our friends. And you take, right. Validated him to the comedy world. And when he's up there at the Trump rally, all of the crutches that Tony has leaned on for all these years are gone. And it's just his words. And he's preaching to this fucking audience, but it's broadcasted nationally.

And again, fuck offensive shit. I don't care. You can't offend me. I'm a white man. It's hack. Watermelon. Get the fuck out of here. I've heard it done better.

I've heard it done better. Oh, yeah. I got several uncles, some of whom aren't even actually related to me. We just call him uncle who've done racism so much funny. I could have taken all those premises and murdered with them. 100%. The only thing I would add to what you said, because there might be someone listening going, well, how are you saying he's hacking?

And then also saying he did good at the Netflix roast. He did do well at the Netflix roast. The only thing I add is context absolutely matters in comedy. When I hear someone making a racist joke, when almost anyone does, at a roast, there's a part of your brain consciously or unconsciously kind of going well they signed up for this. Right.

I don't feel bad for that slavery joke about Kevin Hart because Kevin Hart came to this roast and also said horrible things. Right. So it's like that's different versus you just pick the dude out. If you go and push someone in the water, that's wrong. But if they're at a dunk tank

and you throw a ball at it, then it's fine that they go in the water. And that's what a roast is. We're all at a dunk tank and it's okay if you throw this ball at this thing. Yeah. I don't know that he didn't not write, though, the jokes. Whatever, but he's a roast guy.

Right. I think that he, like, I think in that context and in that world, I do think that he's like, he can be good at it. Sure. But I think, again, he's, like, really disappeared up his own butt and can't be told nothing anymore. And that's when, you know, it starts to, your stuff starts to go downhill or whatever,

because you're so convinced. How hard you hit, you know, so it's like anything he comes up with. He was like, he's like, this is brilliant and hilarious. Errogance in a smug attitude can only be pulled off by maybe four comedians on earth, and he's not one of them. Like, Anthony Jesselnick can do it. Jerry Seinfeld can do it. There's this new kid.

There's this new kid named Ben Bernacchus. I think I'm saying his name right. He can do it. But Tony tries to be. He's disturbing to me because he's genuinely. He even says, I'm a bad person. But you know, like, genuinely right-wing and a bad person, and he's really funny. What never really works in comedy, it's worked a couple times, maybe Sam Kinnison a little bit,

but he was still fat and insane. Tony tries to be cool. You know what I mean? Oh, it's impossible. And you can't do that. It's part of what's happening with Shepel. Like, Jessel Nick, I don't think Jessel Nick tries to be cool. He kind of is cool because of his demeanor, but like, you- He's the closest.

He's an outlier, though. Like they maybe had it for like six months. And that was a character. Like he's the fucking leather jacket. He was almost like pretending to be so cool that it was, it was cheesy, but it was, it worked so it wasn't, you know? There's this kid in LA that I worked with when I live there named Keith Johnson, who comes very close. Half Black, half Asian.

Good looking is. Okay. Hold on. We weren't talking about black comedians. Black comedians can be cool. Me and I've talked about it how it's like a risk because if he, if he figures it out, he's a he's a millionaire yeah or he just there's something like yeah there's still got to be cool and funny is and if you are cool something else has to be wrong with you because like patrice o'neill was

cool but he was also fat and diabetic you know what i mean and ralphie may was kind of cool but he was super fucking fat like you've got to have you can't just be looking good and and skinny and have a nice hair done in the rife that's my rife's career started to fall apart well but like But the thing is like he's always winning. It just depends on who your audience is. Like if you want to be a cool comedian, then you're just going to have to deal with 18 year old girls come to my show

and that's who I'm doing this for. And that's fine. Good for him. He's making a lot of money. But like, if you want to just be respected in the comedy community, like, no cool fucking dude is like,

it don't, we're about as cool as it gets and we fucking suck. I'm saying for comedians, like, it's, and we're not. You know what I mean? Like,

We're pretty normal dudes. I'm pretty cool. But you are pretty cool, but you stink. You know what I mean? I was about to say, I stink right now. I'm literally just about say, right now I can smell me. But there's stuff about you that's not, like, you are. I'm not cool on stage, by the way, at all.

And also, I was kind of kidding. I'm not very cool. No, no, no, but I'm saying like there is a bit of you that is cool. Like, you are definitely the coolest dude of us three, but there's enough about you that's not and you exploit that. And that's like... None of that is on stage. You can't be the coolest guy in the room and do stand-up well for very long, in my opinion. There's some comedy exceptions to that.

Like, I think Bill Murray's probably the coolest guy in the room, but he doesn't do stand-up. They don't do stand-up. And also, he can be extremely vulnerable in roles. And I think vulnerability in comedy is very important. And Tony Hinchkos have zero vulnerability because he's the type of guy that has no faults. He will admit no faults. Everything he says is right. Like, you've got to have...

Like, even Bill Burr, who can come across his cool, the next word's out of his mouth of beep, I'm a fucking idiot. What the fuck do I know? I thought that, like, you've got, and he'll talk about how his anger problems, he's vulnerable. Like, you've got to have those vulnerabilities that have common. Because, like, dude, in my opinion, Chris Farley's cool. That's a cool fuck. But he's not.

You know what I mean? Like, you can't just be a badass fucking, I'm, that's why this alpha male bullshit, it just doesn't translate to humor. And their idea of humor is, I snuck up behind a black guy and handed him a piece of cotton. Ain't I hilarious? No, you're a dickhead. Yeah, and that's the whole culture of that show, too, most of the people. I mean, I don't know.

I don't keep up with it. So I don't know all the ones who have come from Kiltonny, but the ones that I am aware of who've come out of Kill Tony, it's the same type of thing. It's just like really easy edge lord stuff that's like, it's the only is the worst comedian in the world. Except that black dude who hits real hard for me. And I wish I knew his name. Cam Patterson. Yeah, his first appearance. They go.

Fiona just did it and blew up too. And Fiona's genuinely great. The hardest I've laughed, it wasn't even during his set. He gets done with his set. And they go, tell us something about yourself. And he goes, I'm not retarded, but I like rocks. And then he just had a rock in his pocket. He sells rocks on the road now.

Yeah, you just pick them up. And I'm like. His dad drives the Home Depot. and buys rocks every time he goes to and that's his merch. And I'm like, there you go. This was otherwise a cool black dude, but he got vulnerable real quick and was like, you know what? I collect rocks. That's funny as shit.

But yeah, for the most part, it's just those dudes that go up and they're like, how it's, it's fine if a joke is offensive. It's totally fine. But when you're writing a joke, you shouldn't lead with offensive. You shouldn't go, my goal here is to offend. and now let me add some jokes. You know what I mean? Yeah, right.

No, it's got to be, yeah, funny first. Funny first. And worth it. Especially because all that stuff is so well-worn, you know, for so long. Right. It's hard to do anything new with it. But like I've heard, I've seen clips recently of Tony, because a lot of people have been talking about Tony's hold, obviously,

recently. But I've seen clips of him, like, seeming to take credit. Like, he seems to genuinely believe that he is the reason that Shane Gillis hits as hard as he does and also Tim Dill. Like he, like he thinks that he like, he broke those guys on. That's so crazy.

Like I've seen clips of him talking about that. You know who's responsible for Shane Gillis hitting? Shane Gillis. Yes. But all of those dudes. Same with him. All of them, you know, are,

Rogan plays a part in. Obviously, like, Tony wouldn't be in the position to break anybody, which he didn't break those guys. But if he hadn't been, you know, put on by Rogan in the first place, but he acts like,

Like, he just earned it all. And now he's, you know, sharing the wealth. And he's a kingmaker breaking these guys on his show. He's the luckiest motherfucker in the game. Yeah. So. But yeah, I'm saying when somebody says or thinks something like that, I think, something like that.

We really thought you were going to be able to do this for us, by the way. Yeah, for a minute there. Yeah, I can't even do it for myself. No, I know. I know. I've been watching you not. Yeah. Yeah. Don't hit.

I keep up with you. Well, speaking of that, I'll be in Bristol, Tennessee, November 8th and 9th at the Blue Ridge Comedy Club. I'll be in St. Augustine, Florida, November 23rd, and we will be in Nashville at Zanies. I want to say December 12th through 14th. You are correct. Yep.

All right. Well, this weekend I'll be in Frederick, Maryland, Philadelphia, and Newark, New Jersey. Come celebrate or commiserate, whatever the case may be. Could be weird. We'll find out. I'll see y'all there. No, Newark, it's some like small, like performing arts center thing, like a theater, but not like a big theater. It's a new theater. Pardon me. It's a little. And I think. Also, it's probably going to be half full. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Right. I'm at a theater in Frederick, which I didn't even know existed, but. Frederick?

Frederick. Maryland. You ever heard of that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Not Frederick's Berg? Named after Douglas. Frederick Maryland. They call it Fredneck, apparently. So I guess it kind of checks out. Nice. You're going to Fredneck, huh? Yeah. It's a second. time I've been there. That sounds like a jam band's following, a bunch of Fred necks. Yeah. Well, the first time I went there, I was like, what am I? Again, I hadn't even heard of it. And I was like, what is this going to be? But it was actually like packed in one the hitter shows I had in that time frame. So pump for it. Anyway, I'll be there this weekend.

And after that, I got one night in Phoenix and then Northern California, the Bay Area, then December with these fellers. And I'm rounding out the year in Chicago, Illinois, right before Christmas go to try crow crowder.com check it out come see me hey i'm getting ready i'm preparing my material for that nashville show at zanis december 12th to the 14th by uh slumin it uh as a i'm hosting this weekend at the comedy catch for my good buddy del jones i'll be there for old time's sake getting paid in french fries uh so chattanooga come see me work on a new uh 15 minutes every night that sure to disappoint uh uh also we lovecori.com. I'll be putting up some clips of that bullshit.

And I just put up a couple new rants today. And also a video on my thoughts on George Carlin that they're using on the official George Carlin page. I was very excited to be asked to do that. We Lovecori.com. Come see us, Treycrowder.com in Nashville. It's the only time we're together. Fly out if you have to. And thank you all for listening to the well-read show. We love to stick around longer, but we got to go. Tune the next week if you got nothing to do.

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