wellRED podcast - #413 - Trump Won... Don't Hit

Episode Date: November 13, 2024

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Well, here we are. You know what my least favorite well-read podcast to do are are the ones where I know absolutely 100% what we're going to talk about? about. Yeah. Why? I got, yeah. I mean, yeah, you're right. It's definitely what I want to talk about at least.

There's so many different aspects of it. But it was, it is funny. I don't want to talk about it, but it would be insane not to. Last week, you know, we recorded like on election day or whatever and told everybody that.

But then it came out on Wednesday, so we said a lot of stuff that didn't, did not come to pass, obviously. What do we say? Well, the only thing, the main thing that I remember us saying was that we were all like,

because I said something about, It's going to come out on Wednesday, so who knows? And then we were like, well, we're probably not going to know Wednesday. Right. It'll probably be days later. And then I was like, yeah, I think most people agree that, like, if we know the answer tonight, I mean, that's probably good. That's not good. That's not good for the Democrat.

Like, yeah, and Drew was like, yep, you know, I think most people agree, like it's not going to, we probably ain't going to know tonight. If we do know tonight, it's probably good for the Democrats. I don't think anyone's really expecting a scenario where, you know, we're. Trump wins and it's by enough of a margin that you can go to bed knowing the answer. And we were like, yeah, obviously, that's not going to happen. And then that is exactly totally what Barry did happen. So not like us to be wrong about stuff. But I've been getting asked on my hero, hero, plenty, just point blank.

Do you, like, how do you feel about it? And I always said, I feel like he's going to win just because I feel the same way I did the first time. but I also was like, however I'm stupid. So that could be a good thing, but apparently not. Yeah, it wasn't just, I mean, it wasn't that, again, we didn't say that we thought she was going to win or nothing. It's just that, you know. We thought he was going to be close.

Yeah. And we made it very clear that if it's not close, that's probably because she walked him because he is way less popular than he used to be. We were right about that. That's true. We were right about him being less popular. He got way less votes. But so did we.

She just got even Moe way less. Didn't matter. Didn't matter at all. Well, like everyone on TV is saying, and we have to say here, she ran an impeccable campaign. No pecks. So, yeah, it's very unlike the Democrats to take the complete wrong lessons away from, you know, a demoralizing blindside defeat.

They're not used to having to, you know, process these types. One thing that I'll say that I haven't heard a lot is I do think they also took the wrong lesson away from the Biden win. Yeah. I think I think the cynical lesson they didn't take away is that you got to run a white guy sometimes to win. And then the other lesson they didn't learn is they were like, see, people love us in what we're doing. And it was like, no, dude, people don't. Right. You barely beat him that time.

Well, you can argue all the different finger-pointing and trying to figure out who to blame and what is the right lesson and all this stuff. There's also very possibly just, it could be very simple, you know, which is that like the vast majority of people in the electorate have like goldfish memories and vote very simply. And it's a matter of like, bread high, who president? Yeah. No vote them. Me are. him are. Incumbents around the world got wrecked, whatever side they were on because inflation was so bad worldwide. And you could also argue that that's like what happened for Biden in 2020.

At that point in time in 2020, it was the height of the COVID deal and, you know, that wasn't hitting for people and all the George Floyd protests and all this. America just was not hitting at the time the election happened. And he was the. president and he got beat. And, you know, it's just like, but then that that's not to say that like the Democrats don't need to do soul searching and shit. Obviously, they do. I'm just saying like, it could just be, you know, as frustrating as it is.

It's just like that. Like, people just really are that simple. I mean, when you look at the fact that on election night, uh, Google search, Google searches spiked for the sentence, did Joe Biden drop out? right so that means people went to the ballot box and were like yeah what wait a minute what the fuck did he die and i missed it and it's like i don't know how those people exist but they do right and they some of them still do vote and it's like people like the people who are operating like that they're not going to get like nuanced and complex with their positions right and stuff you know

like in that moment they're not going to go oh i guess i'll vote for her there's no there was a small spike this week of can I change my vote and a pretty large spike in what's a tariff? What are tariffs? Yeah, right exactly. That's what I'm saying dude, that's how people are. It's just it's frustrating as shit, but it just is the way people be.

But again, though, I do think. So, I feel like a lot of people I think are landing on this. What I've been saying on my Patreon and stuff, what I'm probably going to say a version of in the video I make today if I ever get the damn thing done, that I'll run by y'all. And I say run by y'all. Drew is

been saying a lot of this also, I think, in the text thread and shit like that. But where I've kind of landed on, and again, I don't think it's a novel concept or groundbreaking, but I think that like, but people say like, oh, they fucked up by campaigning with the Cheney's and abandoning the progressive wing and all this stuff. But then other people were saying, well, look at some of the demographics, excuse me, some of the demographics where she got her shit rocked, like Latinos and black men. and stuff like that. It's like,

you really think shifting to the left is going to hit for those people where she just had a massive fall off? Like, I don't know, but I think that when you talk about how they need to be more progressive or whatever, it's progressive in a way that like, you know, Bernie was progressive populism or whatnot,

financially progressive, like just paying people more money. Fuck your bosses. You know, like coal miner, union shit, health care and that type of thing. Just like making things hit harder.

day-to-day kitchen table bread and butter shit that affects everybody, pushing further to the left on that stuff, because that stuff does hit for people just in terms of policies, and then getting away from the left in terms, or the far left in terms of like, you know, scolding, woke, identity, politics stuff. I mean, dude, purple-headed, you know, baristas. People.

Being mad at a man for sitting weird on a train. And like, you know, the pronouns people use and what you can, and jokes people make and tweets you had 10 years ago and policing all that shit. Right. And just like- Shift away from that shit. Leave all that behind completely. And I don't mean abandon like gay people or nothing.

You still say they deserve rights and shit. I'm just talking about that. But we're never going to get to those policies if we don't win. You know? That type of performative wokeness or whatever you want to call it needs to no longer be a part of the conversation. But that's not really up to the left. Do you know that? I mean, yeah, that's true.

That's just people. Like, I don't feel like Kamala Harris was bending over backwards necessarily, and Joe Biden certainly wasn't for these issues. I'm up on the right. It's such an excellent job of making it seem like everyone who has put a pronoun in their bio wants to cut a child's dick off. Right. And so, but yeah, I agree with you. But, yeah, so the biggest problem of all of it, both with the whole, people don't even know who's running.

All they know is that milk is high and that's all that that whole part, plus the part we just talked about, the biggest part of it all is that the right wing completely dominates the media and everything. And they shape what the truth is.

They shape reality. They're both the predators and the victims at the same fucking time. It's really unbelievable what they've done. So what you still have to... You know, we predict that was three of us in a book in 2016. Right.

Well, this is what I'm. I want, and this is like the main thing I wanted to get to actually is talking to y'all trying to brainstorm and shit or whatever. But so the only way to fix that, I guess, and this is on a like ground level, not just the party itself is to like, there needs to be some goddamn counter programming or something. You've got to like push back against that in the, find a way to reach somebody's people or whatever or dispel that notion. And in doing that, you still have to have that branding in mind in terms of like getting

away from some of the identity politics stuff and just being like, you know, rise of the proletariat, damn the man type. We got to get Shane Dillis as the VP pick next time. But more than that, what I was, and this is obviously, saying like this is all they did is obviously hyperbolic. But one thing that's really irked me for eight fucking years. And by the way, I'm not, please understand that I'm not about to try and say, oh, Trump's not as dangerous as everybody says he is.

That's not what I'm saying. but having the main part of your campaign be just pick us because we're not him you know what I mean like just pick us because we're not him and again I know that that's not all they ran on but that did seem to be the main focus was and I think that people especially you're talking about all these people who like show up on fucking election day and didn't even know that Joe Biden dropped out all these people that aren't completely plugged in

they're not terminally online they're not seeing everything that's going on I think that they just see that as like, oh, the Democrats are nothing but a bunch of mudslingers. They won't get this dude's name out of their fucking mouth. Like, why don't they spend more time telling me what they're going to do for me instead of telling me all the stuff that he's going to do against me? Do you know what I'm saying? And like, I know that all that stuff is important. I know that it's important to browbeat into people that this guy is looking at the Fascism 101

textbook and running a playbook on it. But like, it's sort of. does go back to what you were saying of like a lot of times in elections it's about like our base was not united and there's many reasons why our base was not united a lot of which they literally Kamala couldn't do anything about and you know i'm not going to get into it but it's gaza you know what i'm saying but like the but there was a lot of there was plenty of people that weren't excited to vote for her for a myriad of other reasons and it's just that she they weren't they all democrats always go let's find those 16 people

who might vote Democrat. Instead of going, let's go for the 20 million that have before and make sure their ass gets to the fucking polls. You know what I mean? Yeah. All she had to do, and this is easier said than done, but to your point, all she had to do was get everyone who voted for Biden to vote for her and then add some young people. Right. And she, you know, she failed. They failed.

The Democratic Party failed. I don't know that I could add anything to the discourse at this point. Mark said something smart about how we are attempting to build a coalition. And then that means that everybody who's been mad at the Democratic Party thinks that their reason they're mad is why we lost. Yeah, right. And I think that's true, but I think that's true every time. You know, every time you lose, if you're trying to build a coalition, everyone has their little pet projects. or all that. What I do think

overarches that, and this is like you said, Trace, I'm not saying anything no one said, is there's a messaging issue. Other than we're not Trump and they're weird, which was working, and they fucking stopped it. For like, yeah, it worked solid for two weeks and they quit.

Other than that, other than not Trump and they're weird. And I'm sure somebody can point to me to what Kamala's policies are and how they were different, but what was the message? I mean, was kind of all over the place. We've gotten ourselves, and this is kind of everybody, into this place with politics where we've got real-time polls and real-time social media data, and they're

going, this ain't working, and they like this, flip. This ain't working. They'll change this. But in the aggregate, what happens is people kind of go, Kamlo is just kind of, what? What was the difference? And again, I know there were differences, but I'm saying in terms of, of messaging, it sure seemed like it was, he's scary. Don't vote for him. Right. And that worked for Biden. I get that.

Because he was a white papaw. That was not a great, right, but it's not a great way to organize the messaging of your party long term. And I don't think it was a great way to do it during this election cycle. And I do think, and I agree with Trey, that if you get back to, hey, we're going to raise minimum wage. Where the fuck was that? Where the fuck was at the whole time? We're going to raise minimum wage. Hey, we're going to fix the roads in America that we've all agreed for about a decade

needs a huge overall. I mean, even Obama was bringing that up. We're going to do that. Here's how I'm going to get it done. Those are two things I would have liked to have seen. But even if you say, well, I prefer this or I prefer that, sure. But something other than we can't. can't let Donald Trump enter the White House.

And some people will go, but that was true. Yeah, but we're talking about winning, baby. Not what's true. And the people who thought that were already going to vote that way. You know what I mean? I mean, that's what I was about to say. Like, me personally, I find it strange that that was not a compelling enough argument. Because that's been how I felt about the whole time is like,

I don't even need to know much of anything else other than as long as he, he don't win, that's all. That hits. Yeah, right, exactly. And it's wild to me that, but clearly it's objectively the case that that's not good enough. People are not motivated by that. They don't care. Well, people are basic, right?

And you touched on that. And I think one thing that the Democrats need to realize is the consistency on the Republican side, the last three cycles is Trump. Their policies have been all over the fucking place. Mm-hmm. It's always been scary, but there's a huge difference, genuinely, between Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon and like Elon and Peter Thiel. I'm frankly more afraid of Elon and Peter Thiel, not because I think they're more evil, but because I think they're going to be more effective. More powerful.

But my point is, Trump is wishy-washy. But Trump is Trump. Right. Well, Kamala is not, she hasn't been around long enough. She's not famous enough. She's not well-liked. So what do you need a message to go against Trump? And the message last time was we're not Trump, and it worked for the reasons I think Tray laid out.

And this time, you know, it failed. And one thing I'm very sick of, and you touched on this with the whole, like, are they going to learn their lesson? I'm very sick of the democratic apparatus failing and looking everywhere but inward. But there's a reason for that. There's a very stone cold, obvious reason for that. The people who go on TV and say everything, but they failed, that's because they are the apparatus.

They're the machine, yeah. They are getting paid. They are getting consulting fees. They are running campaigns, and their friends are running campaigns. So there's no separation between who the fucking and up and then who is commenting on it. When you have, and I love him and I love, well, I love the idea of him, when you got the raging Cajun going on TV and saying, this is why the Democrats felt, bitch, you're the Democrats. Democrats. You're in that room.

He's so much the Democrats. It's why he kind of is the mascot of the Democrats and has been for a long time. And he's so crazy looking. It would be like a football coach, an offensive coordinator going on TV and not saying here's why we failed to score points. And I didn't call these plays right. And Lamar didn't make the checkdown. It would be like an officer coordinator going on TV and saying, here's how the Ravens, as if he doesn't fucking coach for him, failed.

And here's what they could do next. We mean could. Imagine a coach said that. Imagine you know what I think the Ravens could do next time? A reporter would be like, wait, I'm sorry. Did they fire you? Right. That's such a great analogy.

It's so frustrating. It's so frustrating. And obviously it's frustrating for me because I'm pretty far left. And they blame us. Apparently it's our fault. Apparently they're alleged cowtowing to our demands, which I'd love to see that where that was. is scaring people.

And I saw someone posted, the Democrats keep getting accused of not being able to read the room. I don't think that's true. It's just that the room is a conference center full of people with their data who went to Yale, and the room's not the supermarket.

They're reading the wrong room, in other words. I think that's true. I think that's a huge problem in all of politics. The reason Trump, the Trump beat the Republicans. People need to understand that. too. Trump took over the Republican Party. How did he do that? Because he wasn't

looking at a bunch of data and trying to change every two weeks what the... He was consistent. I don't know, man. I said something along the lines, some dumb fucking tweet that was like, I hope that one day in the future I get to vote for someone

again instead of against someone. And of course I got a lot of shit that was like, you're the goddamn problem, man, and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, well I was like hold on I'm voting for Kamala like I'm going there I'm a hundred percent going to vote for Kamala and they're like yeah but because you saying stuff like this you know is might be deterring other people from blah blah blah and I was like let me tell you something right now buddy if the Democratic Party's messaging is so goddamn weak that my dumb

ass posting an innocuous tweet could falter the election then this ain't my fault at all and also what you're sort of suggesting is shut the fuck up and tow the party line and never ever, you know, challenge it, never critique it, never do anything. And frankly, you know, that's not as bad as what the messaging is on the right, but it's similar enough to where I don't care for it. And I think you're stupid and in no way am I the problem and you're not. Does that make sense or am I wrong here? No, you're right.

People are dumb, though. Yeah, that's true. That's very true. that's like the sort of we had it back and forth about it there's a fair critique of what we alluded to up top which is like hey if not being able to say retard in a joke is enough to make you vote for a Nazi honestly fuck you and we were toast anyway right and that's fair but it overlooks how stupid some people are yeah like they don't know they're voting for a Nazi like so that's exactly so you're but you're trying to fight the Nazi and the guy who doesn't think he's a Nazi.

And so you're correct. Right. You want to be right or want to win? Right. I think there's a lot of people. I got that. The video that I'm working on is basically kind of re-haping exactly that argument, like, including me quoting my past self with the fucking, you've never done that.

You want to figure, I know. Yeah, right. It's not a go-to for me at all. But the, but the, uh... The other thing about that, too, that I just want to add, you don't have to, abandon and you shouldn't abandon trans people or gay people or like whatever that stuff is, you just have to make

it clear that when someone comes on TV and they go, they're cutting kids off, kids wieners off in San Francisco, you got to go, hey, everybody, you guys know he's fucking stupid, right? He's stupid. He's full of shit. We all know none of us are doing that, right? And

what our agenda is, is we're going to raise minimum wage. Guess who's going to make more? White people, black people, men, women, and people who choose to identify differently than that. They're all going to make more. So that's all I care about. That's what my gender is for everybody.

And most Americans will genuinely go, yeah, I get that. Well, the other thing, too, like, because we were texting about this this morning, right, when people say, like, yeah, listen, if you're being mad because we won't let you say retard in a joke, if that justifies to you voting for a Nazi or whatever, then you can go fuck yourself. The other thing that it's like, again, like you said, feels valid. I hear where you're coming from, but part of the reasons why it isn't really is because you said it, it, you know, fails to acknowledge how genuinely dumb most people are. But it also, I think a lot of times it, it starts way earlier than that. And what, because a whole big, big talk was about Gen Z men, right?

And this is where I was wanting to get, because I've got sons that are, they're Gen Alpha, but they're, you know, they're 12 and 13. I've been thinking about all this shit a lot. I bet. But how, like, Gen Z men, you know, are hard right now and everything. And it's like, I don't think they say it starts earlier than what these people are allowing for, meaning like as they're getting older, when they're still teenagers, whatever, maybe they say retard and a barista scolds them or whatever happens. Whereas our barista said it back to us.

It was a great time. But they get that. Wrote it on the cup. They get that response from these people. and they're not half mocha for retard right well we've really they're not Nazis

we lost it doesn't matter right yeah I agree we're putting our money where our mouth is but anyway I've been saying it for six months y'all gonna blow brown kids up I'm saying it go ahead they're not Nazis yet when this happens or anything they're teenage boys their little dumb asses like we all were and like every

teenage boys or whatever but they're not Nazis and they're not evil or whatnot but they but they get pushed away at that point, right? And then they go to where? They go to the Rogan sphere, right? And they go to Andrew Tate or whatever else and down the right wing rabbit hole that is so ubiquitous and effective. And then after a few years of living solely in that, just stewing and nothing but that, then they become hardcore, pretty much straight up fascists or whatever. Right. But it wasn't, it didn't start that way. Right. And it's also under.

understandable how that could happen. And like that we have to find a way to like to keep that from happening in the first place, which is like one of the main things I wanted to talk to y'all about is like, what does that actually look like? I'll tell you what it looks like. You know those, you know those sensory places they have at stadiums for autistic kids to go into when they get a little like out of control. Like it's like things are going crazy.

So they go in there. There needs to be like an hour every day where school kids can just go in a room. and just say it you know what i mean like a purge type thing the yeah the purge just say it all one hour a day and after a while they'll just be like i don't even want to go do the purge today you know what i mean after a while i'll be like it's not even it's kind of gay it's kind of gay it's gay to do the oh i'm going to go hang out in the room with a bunch of dudes that's exactly what and just scream slurs it's kind of we just got a i don't know man but you're you're totally right in that it does start that and it's and it's a stupid like when when it's Andrew tate doing it's it

It's like what's real stupid because you're supposed to be a grown man. But yeah, these are fucking kids. So, like, you understand how that could happen. But it's just so goddamn the word, you know. It's just, it's very stupid. Dude, I had a, um, go ahead. Why, no, I mean, you go ahead. And then I've got a, then we'll have a word for my sponsors after this.

And then I got a question for it all. Our favorite our word. I had a heckler. Friday night. Just screaming at me. Fuck you, I love Trump. Fuck you, I love Trump. It went on for a minute.

Were you doing a Trump bid or did they just started having dipshit Tourette's? You know what? I'm glad to be able to tell this joke to whatever our platform size is right now because it's way more people than that's at that fucking show. I'll tell you that. This is how dumb these people are. Here's the joke. And by the way, he did it at the end.

It's not like he cut me off in the middle when it's part of the premise. The end of the joke, he did it. Here's the joke. It's been a rough week. I keep hearing from my friends. We lost to the worst candidate ever. We lost to the worst candidate. That feels terrible.

Losing to the worst. I'm going to give you guys the speech my dad gave me in Little League because I think it'll make you feel better. When I was in Little League, we got beat by the worst team in the league. And I said, Dad, I feel so awful. I can't believe we lost to the worst team in the league. And he said, well, it makes you feel any better. You didn't.

because you're the fucking worst team in the league. And this dude goes, I love Trump. And I had to go, sorry, what? And he goes, I love Trump. And I was like, okay, cool. What are we doing? And he's like, well, you brought it up. And I go, no, I didn't.

First of all, he's screaming, fuck you, I love Trump. Fuck you, I love Trump. Owner comes over, about to kick him out. Then he's like, I didn't mean to interrupt. And I go, sir, you very much. did. Can we just be honest about that? The reason I brought up in the context of this, I absolutely called him retarded.

Yeah. At one point, I said just what you seem. And then at another point, I said, surely that hit for him. You're getting emotional over a man who's not here right now.

I know you're a Trump supporter. I don't know if this bothers you, but that's pretty fucking gay, dude. That's very gay. Yeah. Liberal people in that audience, they didn't give me much laughs like two people did.

Dudes, of course. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they also didn't turn on me. My point being is, they are so awful that what we're talking about might just kind of naturally be happening in the sense of, right. It's kind of like when we said you can call Marjorie Taylor Green a cunt because even people who don't like that word are like, well, what else are we going to call her? Right. Another episode of South Park with the Harley Davidson's when they kept calling them everybody that drove Harley's,

They kept calling them fags, and they ended up having to go to the Supreme Court or whatever, and they were just like, they were like, you know, you can't use that word. And they were like, well, they're revving it up in front of us and, you know, at the restaurant. And they're like, yeah, there's like a bunch of fags. And they're like, well, that's, you know, but you're calling them homosexual. What? No, homosexual. There's no problem with that. There's a huge difference.

And they go, well, what if a gay guy was on a Harley doing all that? And he'd be a gay fag. I don't, why is it so hard for people to understand? It's like, yeah, maybe if we just start calling it to them. him it's it's fine well i mean another recent example that was very a hugely viral moment was when uh jason kelsey was going to watch his brother play football or no was he a pin stay he went to a pin state game he went to a pin state game and outside of it let me set the scene real quick how badass he looked he's got his own it's it's almost like it was on purpose because

he had his own beer right he's got he's holding a case of beer and a single beer with the same hand Like he's got an open beer holding a case of beer that he is drinking the beer with. That's how strong this motherfucker is. And then someone wants to talk shit. Well, you keep going, Joe, since you've got all the details down. So anyways, this dude comes up behind it. He's one of these little TikTokers just looking for fame. And he goes, he goes, hold on just a second.

He goes, hey, how does it feel that your brother is a because he's dating Taylor Swift? and Travis Kelsey turns around sees him. Jason Kelsey turns around sees him, grabs his phone, stares at him, and I'm sure the life left this boy's soul, fucking never loses eye contact with him, throws his phone down as hard as he can, and goes, who's the f*** now? Right.

And I've never, never, except for twice in my life, and I mentioned this, 9-11, and when all them, rich dumbasses died in the submarines i've never seen america more united the most prominent gay people on twitter were like he absolutely should have called him that right is not a slur in that moment i don't like drew said maybe it's just naturally happening this is speculative who can really know but i kind of feel like if that had happened 10 years ago or whatever i don't know exactly the timeline but i think gay people would have always been cool with it because that's the thing it's never the actual people who get mad about these things.

No. I think if that had happened like 10 years ago, gay people still would have been like, no, that hits for us as he did that. But I think there would have been a lot more people, you know, publicly liberal people. Those people are still out there. We just don't give a fuck about them anymore.

But yeah, that would have been part of the conversation. Like, you know, he can't say that, but like hopefully we are moving on past that because that was always stupid. That kid did deserve it. It was a person. emotional thing. It was a crime of passion. He didn't have time to think about it. It's the best way to go after to like,

it's the best way to hit back at somebody like that. Who called you? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Also, you meant it as a slur, and I know what you meant by that slur. Because let's think about it. You literally are calling someone a gay slur for dating a woman. Dating a hot billionaire woman.

Dating a hot billionaire, most famous woman on earth who owns a jet. You fucking, that's gay or the name. So the meaning of that word in that context is queer. Anyway, Yeah, the meaning of that word in that context is meant to be just totally, you know, a derision type of thing,

derogatory. So it's like, yeah, now I'm going to slam this in front of all these people and basically dare you to do something about it. I do want to say, though, and let me,

let's give our fans, some of our fans two seconds to breathe with everything. That word. And I've had this argument with a good friend of mine. And she's like a hot chick who's like a little gay. She could get away with it anyway. but I don't think that word's back. I just, if you're out there listening,

if we got a 20-year-old fan, live your life, but I still think you'll get a drink thrown on you for throwing that one out there. I think there's a list of words. They range from cunt all the way to the N-word, and they were all gone, and then like three are back. But on the tail end, the F and the end. Context.

In this situation matters. That was always part of my argument. Because if he just said the N-word, it wouldn't have mattered to context. You know what I mean? Well, the context wouldn't have helped him in that situation. I know, I'm just saying, like, there are sometimes when the context, you know, just does completely matter. Dude, I posted, I retweeted that shit and said something like, you know, this dude's honestly lucky that all he did was get his phone broke.

I had fucking 300 comments from, I assume mostly gay people because they're our fans. And all of them were saying the same thing. Hell yeah, I just said the same shit. Fuck him. This is absolutely, he's got a gay pass, whatever. one person, one person, do what? It does help that he's hot. Of course it does.

One person, though, on there was like, absolutely not. There's never an excuse. And then, like, so many people came in were like, read through this comment section. There's 300 of us. Like, it's totally fine. And you're the one person. Like, you're fucking wrong.

There is a context in which it's fine. This might be the only context, but this is it right here. We also don't need to black and white it as long as we're not crucifying people, we can just go, yeah, I wish you to use a different word, but he didn't. I bet he wishes he would have two. I don't need a pound of flesh. No, he don't. Yeah, no.

You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't need a pound of flesh from. Now, he used the right. That's the perfect word. That's the place we got to get to that I'm hoping we're at is, okay, I don't, because that personally offended me, I don't need a pound of flesh from someone who I know his heart was in the right place. Right.

And it certainly doesn't mean that people should just now go, oh, cool, we can say it and run around just, if they, anytime they see somebody like Richard Spencer just start calling him the F slur. You know what I mean? Like, I hope that don't happen either. It was just, that was just a perfect moment of, oh, hey, before we go on our sponsor, Drew, you were talking about that heckler at your show. Something happened to me at my shows this weekend that I've never seen in my life in comedy. A guy kicked himself out of the show. He kicked. he kicked himself out. He didn't like any left? No, no, no, no. He was liking it. I know you've done that. No, no, no, it wasn't during me. It was during Dale's part. I did, of course, I walked to my first show.

Got a call. Danielle was at home on her one night off, gets a fucking phone call. Corey, God damn it. You know, no, no, this is during Dale's show. No, he was loving the show so much that he was doing that thing where he was heckling positively, kind of. but like he just was going that's right brother oh yeah oh that happened to me

oh that you know and he just kept doing it and so Danielle like went over to him twice and was very and I was there both times because this dude was fucking you talk about FDDH son like he was a big old boy shaved head tattoos on his neck or whatever so I followed her over there not I mean I guess it seems like me being white nighty but like I was part of the show so I was like I just want to

make sure that no words are minced here And she was cool. She was like, sir, listen, we know you're having, you know, we know you're having a good time,

but just, if you could just keep it down just a little bit, just laugh. You know what I mean? Just laugh. Okay, okay. Does it again.

Third time he does it. Daniel hadn't even gone over there. This motherfucker just stands up and goes, fine, fine. I'll fucking leave. I guess I just love this goddamn commitment. And he starts just talking to the whole room.

He goes, I fucking, he goes, I fucking love this man. This is my favorite. god damn fucking comedian in the world he should be fucking and dale's on dale doesn't know any of none of this is happening and dale's just like thank you buddy and he's like but if i need to i'll just get the fuck out of here right now and he just waddled his fat ass out of there and everybody was just like

okay but like and i went to daniel i was like did you kick him out she goes i've never seen this before he kicked himself out i've never seen it it was amazing The lady shushed him. Yeah, probably. And it set him over the top. Or he saw her coming. Was she coming back towards him? Maybe.

She'd already been over there twice and he was like, all right. So it was really just a preemptive. But what was great is that- You can't fire me. I quit. I quit. Yeah, but what was great is instead of being like,

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because of my sons, I've been thinking a lot, and it's like about, like, what does it actually look like to, you know, again, counter programming or whatever you want to call it?

Like shit that would hit for boys and young men and stuff that ain't all that shit. Do you know what I'm saying? Like stuff that appeals to them, but is not fucking Andrew Tate. You know what's funny is for a long time? For a long time, it was Rogan.

Like, before the shift. Like, early Rogan, it was just Rogan. Well, when we were that, we were like late teens and early adolescence and stuff, fucking the Daily Show and Colbert Report was the coolest shit in the world. It was so cool. And they were left leaning.

It was like every dorm room, every night was smoking bowls. And at 10 or 11 o'clock, you sitting down and watching the Daily Show, getting high with your buddies or whatever. Half the hitting writers, the comedy writers in the country right now are products of getting high in their dorm room and watching the daily show.

You're correct. And it's like he, Stewart is grandfathered in. You know what I mean? But like, that just ain't, that ain't getting across anymore. And Serri-Di-N-Live used to be that way too. You had, but like other things changed too.

You had rap. You had rock. A lot of those things now are 50-50 at best, if not kind of right-wingy. Yeah. They've just like, it's like a, it's like this cycle of both co-option of the right, of the things that are quote unquote cool and then also, you know, cool new young versions of it just being attracted to that for a variety of reasons.

Some of it is the scolding and then there's other stuff too. I don't, I don't know what it looks like. I think, unfortunately, what it looks like. Tyler shoulders, but he's not mainstream enough. I mean, those guys are doing great stuff. Well, a lot of people like him, though, who are mainstream. It's like Zach Bryan was kind of vocal about politics when he started out. And now his line that he says all the time is like, if you care more than a little bit about politics, you're lame.

Yeah. And he's huge with the kids. And that's how, by the way, that's how a lot of them feel just for the record. Yeah, right. But unfortunately, what I think it's going to look like, like actually look like is, like, actual resistance to, we will, we meaning the left will become cool again, but only because of, like, harrowing. Yeah. Catastrophic realities. Yeah, right.

Because we're un- old from the right being in charge or whatever. Because when we were- underdogs. When we were that age, because apparently millennials are the furthest left-leaning generation ever, and it's holding that way. And like when we were that age and that was all cool and everything.

Because we had 9-11. It was the Bush era, right. Yeah, we were underdogs. And the fucking Patriot Act and the war in Iraq and all that shit. You know, that was the era we were growing up. And so that's what we were pushing back against. And then a lot of these kids. It was Obama and progressively woker stuff all the time.

And they were here first. We need another 9-11. But they were also bombing Brown. I cannot overstay, in my opinion, if you just want to talk about culturally. I'm not saying this, there's like a direct result. But culturally speaking, you cannot tell people, especially young people, for years, they're the bad guys, we're the good guys and not be the good guys. Right.

Like you continue to do that at some point, they go, ah, well, you're both shitting. and I'm allowed to hang out on this dude's boat and say whatever joke I want. Right, right. Yeah, no, that's true, man. Killer Mike, not himself. He didn't do it. He's not famous enough, but that's like the perfect example. This dude's whole thing was like, I mean, killer Mike.

He kills his enemies and cops. And then now he gets on TV and like apes for Cop City and how like it'll help Atlanta grow or whatever. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about where people see that either. You're not plugged in and you go, oh, I guess it's not a big deal if we kind of become right wing.

Killer Mike's doing it. He's cool. Or you go, these people are all full of shit. When Killer Mike, I didn't know about the Cop City thing until you told me a while back. I remember I saw Killer Mike come out and do, and this was like around the time

he was also doing stuff with Bernie. So it was a little shocking, but he came out hugely in support of guns, but he gave his reasoning, and I listen to it. And while I don't fundamentally agree wholeheartedly, his reasoning on why the black community feels a little bit differently than a lot of white liberals do about gun ownership

and feeling that they need to protect themselves, I was like, yeah, you know what? That's your truth and you're speaking it, and I don't live in that world, and therefore I can't argue it. But I did not see Killer Mike shifting to, yeah, that authoritative cop city thing and that's he's just so super religious now i just saw him wild hoogling and it was literally i mean he was calling at church and they were having church and i had to dismiss myself from the congregation but i didn't get god out of here i didn't bring that up

to necessarily disparage killer mike i just meant there was there's this shift in cool he's just an example of it and um the future i think tray looks like unfortunately it's like just a response to dark shit. Like, it'll just rad people will do rad things. I don't want to give him too much credit for being any type of, like, charismatic Tony Robbins-esque, like,

motivational guy, but it really don't hit for me that they got Russell Brand, just because the way that he speaks is, it's just so he's got a British accent, and so a lot of young dumbasses are going to be like, this guy is a fucking Oscar

Wild or something like that. That don't hit for me. Well, he aged out of his thing, but he was very cool. Two young people. Super cool. I thought he was rad. I also thought he was really funny. He was funny.

He was smart, and he had a lot of sex. I mean, that's, I mean, the first time we ever brought this up on here, and we brought up to Kelsey Brothers. We said that that's like the hope of the left is dudes like that, slamming beers and slamming phones. But we also said a cocksmith, that might be good. like a real like but like one who don't rape like an act exactly like i don't know how much y'all fuck with him and i have not met the guy personally but i've uh through like donnie because he's

his buddy or whatever uh and i always thought he was funny but y'all like stavrosse yeah i love stobros man he's he's cool as fuck smith or whatever else like that's kind of his whole thing is like he lays it down about getting pussy and titty's hit and all this type of stuff but he ain't at all right he's also like you should respect women and you should respect women and He looks like the burger from Bob's burger, and he's laying pipe, and I love it. That, he's like an example, too. Well, he's one of the original people on what they call the dirtbag left. When that term came about, he was on Nick Mullins' podcast, and they were sort of the prime example of what people meant when they said that him and Friedland.

Nick doesn't care about any of it, but Friedland and Stavros are leftists, just, you know, their Chinese voices. or whatever. I was about to say, like, he is a leftist, but he's also still really, really heavy in that Rogan verse, and I guess he just doesn't press him on it or whatever.

And I mean, dude, he's done a good job of holding. I mean, the thing about Rogan dudes, if you're holding to the fire, he'll just agree with you. That's true. That's true.

And Rogan had on Bernie. That's the other thing about the Rogan verse, and some of it's hypocrisy. And some of it is people going on there and just letting Joe talk about pot and that's all. But some of it is an overlap of, of populism. I mean, this is why

people like me are arguing it'll work. It's like there are plenty of dudes who have problematic views, but we need their vote and they would agree with us on this other stuff. And also, I don't think those problematic views would make them like go so far as to be violent or whatever.

It's just more like, that shit confused me. I don't want to hear about it. And I'm not telling anybody to shut up. I'm genuinely not. I want to be very clear about that. I just feel like if you say we all need health care and higher wages. Can we agree on that? I just think it's a better plan. Also,

please don't think that I was sitting here like saying Stavros was in some way complicit in something for being involved in the Joe Rogan verse because, bro, I mean, you got to take that gig. I'm happy for a success and all that stuff. And yeah, like you said, Rogan had Bernie on. And Rogan wanted to have Kamel on. And I know there was that whole like, well, you know, she's like, you'll have to fly out here to do this or whatever.

And like, give Joe Rogan shit for all you fucking want. And I'm never going to blame you. But everybody acting like Joe Rogan, he absolutely should feel entitled to fly out to her. It's like, as she can take her ass to fucking Texas. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think, I don't think Joe Rogan's an asshole for going, no, my show is here. And no, I'm not only doing an hour. If we're doing this, we're doing it my fucking way.

Like, I don't think Joe's a bad guy for. that specifically. And frankly, I think she should have thought of that as a pretty important campaign stop because she's going to talk to more people on Rogan than she would wherever to fuck else she went. You think it would have mattered? No. I don't know, but it wouldn't have not in the end. No, but whatever she did instead of doing it also didn't matter. You know what I mean? No, I agree with both of you. I mean, yeah, I also don't think it would have mattered. But I mean, I'm just saying he shouldn't have caught shit for that. When everybody else. went there and did the thing and you know hell

Obama went to Marin's garage and all that shit it's like you know you do the thing you do the thing do the thing I don't think he's unreasonable for saying like no this is the thing so if you do it I'm happy to have you but come and do the thing right she was like no I want to do a different thing I mean I I mean I hear you again I don't mind anyone piling on him for stuff but like to me that one was I was just like this is not something he's done that is bad like he was willing to have her on and

he wants to do it at his place and that's his prerogative. But yeah, the Stavros part, you're saying he's not complete, I think it's like he mostly just is like funny. Like Drew said he's hilarious. Ryan, his whole thing is like whatever and most of them actually

feel like if you talk about politics more than this amount then you just suck anyway, I don't even care. Right. And it's like he mostly again just talks about pussies and dicks and stuff and it's funny and hits for people. Right. But he won't like bullshit about what he does think. He like Trojan horses some things in there is what I'm saying. Which is the way to go.

Which I think is the way to go. Yeah, right. Exactly. Which like, I know we don't necessarily do. Well, you know, on this, on this podcast, but like, that's actually how most of my bits are constructed. I've talked to, yeah, I've talked a million times about, sorry if you can hear Bain cry, I'll take it out in post. I've talked a million times about like people always say, how do you, how did you do those jokes coming up in a red state or whatever? And I was like, it's because I would lead with the funny thing and I would Trojan horse the little thing. And they're already laughing and they're not going to stop laughing. You know what I'm saying? And so like, no, like obviously on this show, people know who we are.

And when you go to do your stand-up, people know who you are. But you know, going back to your old style of comedy, that is exactly what you would do. Like, you had to do it. And if you were going somewhere and you know that not everybody here is a Trey Crowder fan, I know how you would do it. And it would be that way. Because that's the best way to do it. Like, that's the best way to do it.

I still do it that way because I do so many big shows. I'm actually worried about our show at Zanis. I'm actually a little, not worried, but like, you know, I'm like, okay, I need to go remember what it's like to do shows in front of people who aren't a room full of purple or whatever. Right. Because I've been doing so many purple. Yeah, me too. And I want to just quickly shout out our boys some talent who told Joe Rogan to his face on the show. There is no trans agenda other than just like having a life and a good one.

Um, hey, tradecrutter.com for those Zan, those Zanis tickets, by the way, it's December 12th through the something. 14th. 12th to the 14th is accurate. I'm in St. Augustine, Florida, November 23rd, and I rescheduled my Asheville show for December 20th. And that's all I got for the rest of the year, Asheville, Nashville, and St. Augustine. This Sunday, the 17th, I'm in, I got one-nighter in Phoenix, Arizona. Come see me out there in the southwest.

And then, uh, after that, the Bay area. sure those people will be feeling good and not freaking out or nothing. The Bay Area, California, first weekend of December, then the aforementioned Zaneh shows with these fellers at December 12th through the 14th, and then I'm closing out this year, December 21st in Chicago, Illinois. So go to tracruder.com. There's also tons of dates up for 2025 already, too, so holler it.

Right on, yeah, trachutter.com for all those. I'm doing a don't tell next weekend, but I don't remember if I'm supposed to tell. And I've genuinely mean that. I don't know the rules. I'll have to get back on where that. And also, I don't remember where it is. They won't tell you where it is till the day of.

That's the secret. Oh, that's the secret. Oh, so it's okay that I don't know. I'm not just an idiot. You can't know. Okay.

Well, don't, there you go. Whatever. Go to We Love for. You tell people the city. That might help them go to. I don't know that part.

You don't know what city you're going to be in? I can't remember. I think it's Bristol. Maybe. I'm about saying, what if they tell you that day, it's in fucking Boston? Well, I know it, it's in a message.

You know what I'm like, it's in a message. Who booked you? Do you remember the person's name? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He doesn't. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do. Nathan?

Nathaniel, yeah. It's in Bristol or Johnson City, everybody. If you're in the Tri-Cities area, Corey will be at either Johnson City, Bristol or what's the other one? Kingsport. There you go. There you go. Corey will be in one of those three cities next Saturday.

He will find out. so will you which one today up. But if you go to Tri-Cities, don't tell, you'll be able to buy tickets to that show, regardless of what city it's in. Thank you, Drew. I pled ignorance, and my man saved me. Go to we love Corey.com for all my bonus stuff.

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