wellRED podcast - #71 - Space Force Mother Mother!

Episode Date: June 19, 2018

Trae and Katie sit down in Burbank to discuss Trump's new space force while over in Knoxville, Andi and Drew discuss her new movie Pusher. The CHO rests in the small Civil War Town of Chickamauga.wellREDcomedy.com for ticketssmokeyboysgrilling.com for some sweet ass meat rubs from our sponsors!

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Pusher movie, which explores addiction in the South. Thank you guys for listening. Subscribe, download, tell all your friends, remember to leave us a review because it really helps out. Anyways, we love you and we'll see you on the road. Ski! Well, well, well, well. Katie. Yeah. If you could go back in time, it's when you're great. in high school or not go back in time but if you can make yourself 18 right now and be

graduating high school would you join the space force no why not no I just wouldn't do it because it ain't real yeah because it's the space force yeah that's why you should do it was this the goddamn space force I mean I didn't no no no I think it's ridiculous and isn't like going to actually amount to anything but I mean like what is it even nobody knows like everything that he says but like the idea of a space force though don't sound cool to you I don't know what they do though yeah that's my question is like what do we do I don't know I have no idea fight the aliens right but because it's a military branch so I mean

Uh-huh. Yeah, no, I don't know. I mean, that's going to, like, eventually that will be a thing. Why are we spending money? Maybe, like, hundreds of years maybe, but, like, uh, I don't think that I, like, I'll be surprised if it ever actually amounts to anything, at least in, like, the near future. You know, like a lot of shit that he's said. But, like, I've told you this before. And I was thinking about this earlier today, and I never did.

I mean, I tried to like Google it, but I couldn't find much on it. But, you know, that maybe it was not, like, classified, but secretive or whatever. But I remember one time vividly because I remember being like, what the fuck? No. When I worked, when I used to work for the DOE, for a while, I did these things called interagency agreements. which is like kind of like a pseudo contract between two federal agencies. Can you talk about this? Huh?

I mean, yeah. I'm not going to give any, like, details of any of them or nothing like that. But they're, I mean, they're boring mostly. Like, one of them was like, usually it was stuff like some, like the National Association of, what is it, oceans and something another or whatever. NOAA National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association. That's what it is. It'd be like that agency funding the postdoc studies of somebody at Oak Ridge National Laboratory or something like that. Okay.

Like that type of thing usually. But one time I remember Bryce had one, producer Bryce, rest in peace. And Bryce, he had an interagent agreement that he showed me and it was for, so it wasn't mine. I don't remember the details of it, but it was between the DOE and something called the Naval and Space Warfare Center. Yeah. Yeah, NSWC, Naval and Space Warfare Center. And I remember him showing it to me because of, he was showing it to me because of like something that he thought was stupid that was written in like the terms of the agreement or something, you know, like, can you believe we actually need a contract for this or whatever, something like that? It's why he was showing it to me.

And I remember being like, dude, fuck all that. Space warfare? I was like, what are you? Yeah, where is it? Space and naval warfare systems. Okay. Is that it? Is San Diego?

Oh, look at that. I mean, I guess. I mean, that's pretty close. I guess it was that. Yeah, but still. So, you know, I. I don't know. There's something.

I just bet the military's been thinking about space war for a while now, honestly. Well, I mean, yeah, I'm sure that, but having a whole, like, dedicated branch of the military, the Space Force. What is... What are they going to do? I don't know. Also, it's like a Saturday morning cartoon name, you know? Yeah. Space Force.

What? What? No, I didn't say anything. You made a weird face, though. I was just thinking of, for some reason, power rangers because the boys are really into that shit right now. Uh-huh. Yeah. So, I guess I owe you an apology, apparently. Me?

Yeah. For what? Calling you white, even though you're white. I don't know. Something like that. Yeah. I had a post on social media about you being one of the whitest women on earth, and it was a picture of four matching Incredibles shirts. Yeah. Because I said, yeah, because I was like, all I did was mention I'd like to see Incredibles too for Father's Day,

and then this, you know, she's one of the widest women alive or something like that. And a lot of people got pissed off about that. I think because they thought you were saying it as a compliment, and it definitely was not meant to be a compliment. It was meaning like... It was making fun of you. I know. Yeah, but you mean like as though I was like... As complimenting.

Like look at me. Look how good I'm doing. my woman is super white. Like that? Like bragging about the whiteness of... Just implying that white was a good thing. Like, look at my white wife. Yeah, she's crushing it because she's white.

Like that, that's what people thought. I think that's what they thought. I don't know. Like, people got upset about it and I don't know why. Definitely not what I meant. Yeah. I'm just going to have to stop tweeting and shit about you. period.

Yeah. As it pisses people off. Apparently. Yeah. That called you an old lady. People hated that. I was also funny. I'm just going to start calling you my super white old lady.

But it's not the first time you've called you white? Yeah. No, not at all. The other one was when I was. It was something like if you want to know exactly how white my wife is the biggest far and away the biggest fight I've ever

seen her and her sister have was over Kroger fuel points which is true oh my gosh oh yeah I don't know I mean yeah I guess if it was if the people that got upset about it were

interpreting it as me implying that being white was like good or better or something then I I mean I don't I don't know how they got that from what I said. You were like, look at these cool shirts that my white wife got us. I don't know. That you like enjoyed the shirts and the themed rice crispy treats. I mean, I did enjoy the.

You enjoyed eating them, but you were not impressed that they were incredible. It was just, yeah, super white. Well, yeah, I mean. It was sweet, you know. And now. No pun intended. And now I have to take a break because I only do that like twice a year. Once a year, maybe.

What, cook something? Yes, I agree. Just, you know, being extra. I'm not always extra. Is that what I should have said? Or Pinterest. Or. But I don't even know what that means.

I mean, I do now that you said it, but like, yeah. It was super white. shit what's wrong with calling super white shit super white shit nothing when we are white nothing right yeah i mean stupid but whatever anyway sorry i called you a white woman katie okay i accept your apology

super white name too what it is it's not even short for anything no i know that's the best part it's just katy Every time that I have to say my name for anything, they're like, is that short for Catherine? I'm like, no. Just Katie. What do you think about the border stuff?

I have not been able to watch any of the videos because I just can't do it. It's sad and fucked up. I mean, I've seen them being shared and I've read about it, but I can't bring myself to actually watch. You said people were talking about, like, a lot of people have said, like, yeah, but, you know, they're breaking the law. And when you break the law in this country, you know, you go to jail and your kids don't go with you. So you lose your kids. You break the law in the country. That's what a lot of people are saying.

It depends on what that is. And I know that they've been saying that it didn't start with this administration, but Trump has implemented the zero tolerance for it. Yeah, true. So like before, they would just give them like a citation, like a speeding ticket, and let them come back to court. Yeah, well, that's what, right. Yeah. A, true, you break the law to a certain degree and you are going to lose your kids. And, you know, if you fucking murder somebody or...

But your kids go to... Even if you lose your kids, they will try to put them with family members or put them, or put them in foster care, not a fucking warehouse and dog kennels. Yeah, I know. But also, there's levels of, you know, yeah, you said speeding tickets. You get a bunch of speeding tickets. You're not going to lose your kids. Also, there's certain things you could lose your kids, you know, like, I'm sure there's some things that would cause you to lose your kids that are laws in this country that I also would think are bullshit.

you know, number one, number two, I just don't, like we were talking about this earlier, I just don't, I don't care about that. Like, their rationale as far as that goes is flawed, but not like entirely wrong. But I just don't care because like it's just inhumane in my opinion. So like, yeah, I get what you're saying. I get that argument. I would like come here legally, you mean? Yeah, right.

Yeah. That whole thing is like, okay. I get what you're saying. And you've got a little bit of, you're not wrong. Like, you're not technically wrong. But I just don't give a shit. This is still fucked up. And, like, it should be clear to any decent person that it's just not the type of thing that we should do as a country.

You know, and I don't, like, the popular. politics of it should be irrelevant in my opinion. It's just fucking indecent. So, yeah, I don't know. It's real fucked up

and a real bummer. And I heard fucking, I heard sessions, or I watched sessions on, he gave a speech this morning. It was about that. It was about a lot of things. And when I, like, tuned into it, he was talking about,

the importance of law and order, you know, because it was this argument, you know, I was like, well, that guy can't be breaking the law. And so now he's talking about how important law and order is. And to back this all up, he starts talking about the U.S.'s super high recidivism rates for prisoners, felons, something like 83% or something, end up back in jail or whatever. Like, that was the basis of his argument. And then from that, he was like, so that's why we need, he started praising things like no such thing as parole, mandatory minimum sentences, like real hardcore, you know, cracking the whip type laws. And we need that because of the recidivism rates.

But that type of shit is why we have a high recidivism rate. The reason of recidivism rate is so high is because we treat people that break the law like fucking animals. And when you do that, they don't rehabilitate. They don't get better. No, I agree. They just start acting like fucking animals. Because that's how you treat them. Yeah.

So him and people like him are the reason for how shitty our prison system is and criminal justice system is and everything. but they think that the problem is that they're not shitty enough. They're not hard enough. Yeah, they're not hard enough. That's what they need. That's what they genuinely think. And it's, it just makes me so mad.

Because he also, during that speech, started talking about how bad crime had gotten in this country up until 1980. Right? Mm-hmm. and he was like and then between the years of 1991 and 2014 the murder the murder rate dropped in half

the rate for rape you know was cut by two thirds whatever you started talking about all these crime statistics that had fallen between 1991 and 2013 or 2014 real quick so that's what almost 24 years

right all but eight of which were under democratic presidents like that period he's talking about was six eight years of clinton eight years of obama and and eight years of bush you know in in the middle there but you know he obviously didn't say a word about that or whatever it's just it's so easy to make it sound like you know what you're talking about or that you're or that you're like make or that you're making a good case because like he was throwing out a shitload of statistics and numbers and you know things that sound like facts things that are facts yeah but he the way he's applying them is just so off base and stupid but anybody listening to it is just going to be like see? Exactly.

Exactly. Listen to what he's saying. There were people, I'm sure, that watched Trump this morning and were like, yeah, Space Force. I mean, I mean, my inner child was a little bit like. I know you were.

What? You were such a nerd. No, well, A, that. But when he started just like started talking about reinvesting in space or whatever being dominant in space. Well, yeah. I was pumped.

Well, yeah, I know. Because I'm all for that. And then he was like... NASA. You know, I was like... Like, I was listening to that and I was like, oh shit, is he about to announce we're going to Mars or something? And I was fucking pumped about it. And then he was like, yeah, we're putting a whole new...

whole new type of army. Space Force. And yeah, I was just like, what the fuck? Yeah, it was It's so ridiculous. I had to watch it a few times because I was like, did I hear that right? Yeah, I know. I started thinking about, like, you showed me the video of him saying it, him making the announcement,

and I still was like, that ain't real. You went to watch it yourself because you were like, I'll watch that on my phone. I googled it and looked up other sources and stuff too. I did. I was like, I was like, that's got to be. Where does he get this shit? There's some kind of inside joke.

He's fucking around or something or video editing software. She's got that good, but that ain't, surely that's not real. But yeah, no, Space Force. Yeah. So what else is going on? I mean, I. Anything? I don't know.

The World Cup. Yeah. Nothing. I got nothing. I know Mexico beat Germany, which was a very big deal. Like, that was a big time upset. I'm sure there's a lot of people around here pretty pumped about that. And I know that England, I think, beat Tunisia.

That's literally all I know. I don't know shit else about it. You know why? Why? Because in true, like, American fashion, I've gotten super, super into the last two World Cups. Like super into it. And, but the U.S. didn't qualify this year. They're not, we're not in the World Cup.

Okay. And ever since that happened, I just checked fully out because we're not in it, you know. And that's how Americans be about soccer. But, I mean, I admit it. Because I got super into the World Cup when we're in it. And then, but I couldn't tell you shit about the Premier League or, you know, like professional soccer. I couldn't tell you shit. about it.

You can't tell me shit about regular soccer. We just signed our boys up for soccer for this fall. No, yeah, that too. But I mean, like, from a fan perspective. Like, when I say I get super in the World Cup, I still, I'm watching it. I don't know. What's going on? I mean, I know how the game works.

But you're talking about, yeah, we bought the boys like a little goal and a ball and stuff. And you're talking about, like, teaching them soccer techniques. No, I don't know. I literally none of them at all. Me either. Soccer didn't exist in Salina. It didn't exist in Wayne County until my little sister, really. Yeah, she played.

Solana probably. We didn't have it. So I probably has a soccer team now. I don't know if they do or not. They probably did. Or maybe when I was in high school, but I mean, I didn't. But we didn't have it when I was growing up. So yeah, I don't know.

Yeah. Like how to play soccer? No, I've literally no idea about any of it. but I'm just talking about just watching it, and I get super in the World Cup, but not if the U.S. isn't in it. Okay. I mean, I guess that's kind of like me watching football.

You don't. When do you ever give a shit about football? When Tennessee plays Alabama? No, you don't. Yes, I do. No, you don't. I do. I do.

Okay. But only when Tennessee plays Alabama. Right. Well, yeah, but anyway, the World Cup's going on. But it's like just getting started. But, I mean, yeah, that's a pretty big deal to the rest of the globe. Yeah, I don't care about that. Yeah, but you know what?

We know I'm not qualified for the World Cup, but none of those motherfucking countries got a space force, do they? That's right. Okay, say bye, Katie. What? Bye. Love you. Wait, I said that into the phone.

I do love y'all too, but I was trying to say it to you. I got my wires crossed. I love all y'all. all, both the fans and also my white wife. Okay, thanks for listening. Skiy! Damn it.

I can't hit the button. There it goes. Hello, everyone. It's Drew. I'm here with my wife, Andy. Hello. It's just Andy. Not short for anything.

Drew's not short for anything. That always starts people off. That's our celebrity name, Andrew. It's that kind of boring, though, but it's a real name. What's going on? How are you? I'm pretty good. Are you tired? You're off today?

I am tired. Yeah. It's been a long, long few months. So you're working on the movie. Yeah. Pusher. Is it called Pusher or Pusher the movie? Pusher. But on social media, we can't put Pusher because it's already taken. It's already a movie and a song.

Yeah. There's a feature film called Pusher that I didn't know about until after. Afterwards. From the 70s? No, I think it's from the early 2000s. Oh. It takes place in a city. It's also a drug dealer. Is it based in the 70s?

I don't know, but I haven't seen it. Maybe I'm thinking of the music video for the song, Pusher. I have this idea of Pusher and a black man walking down the street with pro and bell bottoms. But now the more I think of it. Oh, yeah, Pusher Man is the song from the 70s. And I think that's what I've done is I've thought about, I've made a music video for that song in my mine so many times until that became a movie.

That makes sense. I wish you that you could afford that. That song. That'll be cool. It doesn't really match. Honestly, there's a lot of songs I wish I could afford. Really? Yeah.

Have you thought about asking people we know? Well, yeah. I just mean like, there's a bunch of... What about fuck up by Sarah? Oh, that's a great song. Yeah, that's true. That would be really cool. Yeah.

I mean, we know so. many musicians. I'm really excited about putting... We know so many. I didn't mean it like that. Just say I'm not worried about finding a song because all of our musician friends also make that kind of music. But you need to worry about it because you need to get on it. Although I guess you can have that in post. I can't, yeah. I don't need to get on it before we film. There's too many things I need to get on right now. In my mind, like you had to have it before you filmed like you're going to be playing it on. Don't stress me out, Drew. Yeah, you're right. It's me doing that.

Well, what have you been doing the management of stress? Um, we don't talk about that because it's just going to stress you out. I realize that that's going to come off to you, like, I'm just passive-aggressively trying to point out that you're not taking care of your story. That's probably true. Yeah, once I start telling you, you'd be like, are you eating well? You're not, though. That's true. When I get busy, I don't eat.

Yesterday, you got very sick because you hadn't eaten all that. Yeah. Well, that's part of the reason. Well, you know, getting high and going to a Mexican restaurant might be the other. And I think the sushi that I ate in Scott County might have. also affected that. Wait, that's also true. You said to me, I haven't really eaten the day, but then we had eaten that day. Yeah. I think it was a combination of things. Being in the sun all day, not drinking enough water, eating sushi from Scott County,

and then getting high. Uh-huh. Yeah, you went in the wrong order, but okay. Y'all, I threw up in the Mexican restaurant in Scott County. Into a bowl of nachos, like chips. Like, uh, chips. Like, doesn't they bring you the chips in salsa? It was so disgusting. We were with your brother and sister-in-law, and they're such great parents. She instinctively dumped out a bowl of chips and just started catching your cute. It was amazing because I was like, what am I going to do? What am I going to do?

And then there was a bowl. And I was like, thank God we're with parents. Well, they were like, she was like, well, I kept thinking you'd get up to her to take her to the bathroom. And I was like, I was waiting to get up. But Andy was looking the other direction. It was like you were facing away from me. I was in a bad way. Well, I'm glad we opened the podcast with this.

With me throw it up in the Mexican restaurant? Well, since we're doing it, then I'm going to go ahead and say publicly, twice you smoked weed and fainted. Yeah. And once now you smoke weed and vomited immediately. Yeah. This is me campaigning for you to spend. And I want everyone to know out there.

That's three out of... A million. Well, yes. But in the last year, that's three out of 30? Yeah, true. That's two years, maybe. Three out of 40. Yeah, it's not...

It's not looking good for me and weed. You guys are breaking up. I think we are. We're going through a breakup. I think it's been trying to tell you for a while that it's done with you. And sometimes I get like belly pain. And that's like a thing now. People like,

people, they've discovered that people get like toxicity poisoning or something from weed in their belly. Toxicity. It's like some, I don't know what it is. I hate like hardcore weed. It's because they're like, it cures cancer.

And you're like, no. But toxicity from weed. I mean, I don't know what it is, but I know that there's been, like, a person or two people die, and they've said that it's been from linked. No. They've linked it to, like, weed making their belly expand. I don't know either.

Some scientist who works for Jefferson Blue Rugrats sessions linked it to weed. That's some DEA bullshit. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's definitely possible. But I read that, and sometimes it does make my stomach hurt. And I was like, hmm. I mean, really, you're right. I should just stop doing it.

But I'm a show. And when things are around... I thought you were going to say I'm a child and I was going to agree. And I just realized Cho Child, there's a reason that those are similar and are both together. Yeah. You know the struggle with me. I don't. I know what it is.

But you witness the struggle, you know. You live constantly in a state of FOMO. It's true. It's really hard. It's really hard. It doesn't seem like it's an outsider. I want you and all chose to know that. Outsiders, it really seems easy.

It's not. That's not the only goal. It's not because you end up in like this turmoil. You know what I mean? Now that, you're speaking my language. Termole. I'm going to start a podcast eventually. I think it's going to be years from now.

But I have a great title and it's going to be about existential crisis and turmoil. And I just want to talk to people about that, about their own existential issues, called Into the Ibisket. Yeah, that would be a good one for you. And maybe we'll eat biscuits during it, and then people can complain on it. internet about us eating into the microphone like they always do truly just want to eat Doritos. I mean, y'all make loud noises in the microphones, like the breathing sounds. That's not, hey, it's, what's funny about it is, it's not loud and it's not conscious,

and it's when, like, we don't, I should say they don't realize it. I'm not a mouth breather, but I am the one eating Doritos, right, but I just, what happens is? I get drunk, and Corrie will, like, make emotions, like, move away from the mic, and I'm such a contrarian asshole, especially when drunk, that him telling me to stop makes me just fuck to him, like in my head. I get that. It's just terrible.

Yeah, you're a Southern man. There, there it is. You got a chip on my shoulder, just in my hand. Let's talk more about Fisher. Why did you write it first part? Well, what is it? Tell me what it is. It's a short film.

It's a short film. It's a short film. Obviously, it's a shorter film. It's usually, well, it's usually under 30 minutes. 40, 30 to 40 minutes under that. They don't like it to go over 40, obviously, but... I thought you said it was supposed to be 15 for most festivals. Yeah, there's debate on that, but mine's definitely not going to be 15 minutes.

Mine's going to be longer. But I wrote it because, I mean... Well, hold on. I'm still not settled. All you've said is... Oh, you want me to tell what it's about. That's right. Yes, but I also want to know more about a short film, because I feel like...

I feel like length is not enough for a description in terms of, like, when I talk to you about it and I ask you questions, it seems like you have something else. Like you have more in mind of what a short film is supposed to be, or maybe just yours. So a short film in the filmmaking world, oftentimes is the purpose of it is to show what you're able to do as a filmmaker. because it's a lot harder to make a feature, obviously, a lot more expensive. So a lot of times people will make short films because it's an easier way, not that it's easy, it's an easier way of showing that you have talent and skill, that you can make things you can tell stories and get your name out there. Being able to get work in the future, like maybe somebody will hire you

because I'll see that you've made a couple short films, I'll hire you to direct something else. also I think at least for me there's something I didn't understand about plot because when I was talking to you about your plot and you were explaining to me like yeah it doesn't have to have three acts and rise and then there's a climax

and then you wrap it all up I think you said that would be an episode of a sitcom or a drama on TV it's not a TV show it's not one episode of a TV show there's definitely formulas to films Like, people want to see like an intro, a climate, like a resolution. Sorry, I'm going backwards. And like an introduction, a conflict, climax, and a resolution, right?

So, like, people are used to that formula. I think in short films, you can stray away from that a lot more because it's a lot more open-ended. Like you can be a little more creative if there's not as much on the line. It's like a snapshot. Yeah. Well, again, it resonated with me when I was like saying, why don't you have this and why don't you do this? And you're like, because it's not an episode of a TV show. And I was like, yeah, you're right.

I'm basically saying why isn't this an episode of a TV show? Like, my brain is trained by those TV shows that I watch to expect certain things. And I'm really just asking you, why haven't you done these things that my brain wanted. Yeah. I love short films. Honestly, the film festivals that I've been to, I love the short film blocks because there's so many. different viewpoints and you can see so many different stories and so many different ways of filmmaking in one block and it's awesome like if anybody ever gets a chance to go to a film festival

I would always say check out the short because it's just so cool and all the filmmakers usually that are there like they're pretty accessible so it's not like you're going to like this feature with celebrities or whatever and you can't like meet them or anything like if you're If you go to a film festival, go meet the short film makers because they're like so excited to be there, number one. They're happy to show off their art, like people will be watching what they make. And you get to meet a lot of them and see a lot of different stories. Cool. I'm just plugging film festivals now.

Why did you make this one? This story. Well, this story has been coming in, it came into my head like, I guess a couple years ago. I'm sure you remember me telling you about it. Sure, but the people who are there. You're on the podcast right now. No, I know, Drew, I know. I guess it was a kind of...

Because I was like, oh yeah, I do remember it. Now, moving on. I guess the story, like, has come from a lot of different experiences that I've had in my life, just being from a small Appalachian town and then marrying you, who you're also from a small Appalachian town, and, you know, your brother, watching your family, go through things with your brother. Well, how many of my brother?

That affected me deeply because I love your community and I love your family so much. So being involved in a community like that and seeing how genuine everybody is and kind and also seeing how affected they are by addiction, that always stuck with me. and I wanted I wanted to be able to tell a story that kind of pays homage to the awesome people, the really kind people that are living in these communities that are also being affected by addiction

and by the drug culture, by the class, you know, the social hierarchy in life. So that's kind of where one of the reasons that started arising. I also knew a girl that when I was growing up, she's from Sunbright, whose family,

bless you. Alerted to Big Pharma. I know, aren't we all? His family, so this girl I went to middle school with, she came from Sunbright to my middle school, which is the county over. And she was really mean.

Like, I hated her. She was awful. She was, like, hit everybody. She was the meanest person I've ever met. Like, just so. You were talking 13. Yeah, like 12, 13. Yeah.

And I was, like, terrified of her and also just hated her. And moving on in life, like, she went back to Sunbright for, I think, she was at my high school for a little while. And she went back to her hometown, which is your hometown. And I didn't see her again. And I think it was when we started dating, I was like, oh, do you know this girl? and you're like, yeah, yeah, I know her. Her family life and my family's life were pretty intertwined, actually. Yeah, and I was like, she was so mean.

I didn't like her all. And you were like, oh, well, actually, she had a really rough life. And now she's an addicts. And you had told me about her life. And I guess it was a real learning moment for me to take a step back and understand that, like, when people maybe don't act so kind that they're reacting out of anger at their situation in life. And then she died a couple years ago, a few years ago,

and that really affected me because I'd spend so much time, like, in my younger years, like, sending negativity towards her, you know? And I didn't stop to think, like, oh, maybe she was going through something. You should have given. You were 13. Well, I know that, but I'm saying I still learned from that lesson. And so some of the stories, I guess, is kind of based on her. I don't think you've ever said to that out loud, but me.

I mean, I know you're just talking to me now. And he's crying, everybody. I'm not really sure. I'm not making fun of you. I'm not sure what to say or do it because I can't watch you cry without getting the... Andy is really empathetic. And, I think...

Emotional as fuck? Well, maybe, yeah. Yeah. Yes. But I was going to... stay empathetic and I was going to talk about how I think that informs what you write, but it also seems hard. Yeah, it is.

I mean, I'm like very thankful that I have empathy because, I mean, in my line of work, it's kind of like the whole point, right, in acting and story selling, kind of need to have empathy, but it's also, because, I mean, that's literally what it is. Explain that to people who don't act. So in the acting world, I mean, I guess I'll explain it from that perspective. You can't play any character without first having empathy for them. So even if you're playing like the worst person in the world, if you're playing a villain who eats babies,

that's probably a really extreme example. It's a good place to start. But if you're playing like a really... You're just tuning into the Well Red podcast. We're talking about villains who eat babies and empathizing with him. Go ahead, Andy. If you're playing like a really evil person, you have to first before anything else understand, like, get to why they are the way they aren't.

Because nobody really started out that way. Unless, I guess, they're a sociopath. There's a whole argument we could go down on that path, too. I'm thinking about that a lot lately. Like, they don't. have to be evil. They're blank, right? Right. They don't feel emotion. So they're capable of evil things, but they don't

feel guilt. Yeah. But why would it have to be evil? Like, if you don't have anything driving you, it's like a lot of work to hurt people. You know what I mean? It seems like you just live by yourself. Here's what I'm obsessed with, and this is a tangent so we can go back and leave this in a minute. Are they really, really lucky? Or really really?

Not the evil ones. Just your normal everyday sociopath, who can never feel the pain of heartbreak, but I assume cannot do the joy of love, even. Are they known emotionally? I mean, I think it would be lonely, right? I think so. Because you feel like you couldn't connect?

I think so. I think you could feel loneliness. I don't know. Maybe that's what your next one will be about. But I do, so you have to. You have to, like, be able to empathize with somebody to be able to play them in a full way. Does that make sense? I think so.

You have to know why they are the way they are. Like, did something happen in them as a child? What made them view the world the way that they do? Not that you're making excuses for their behavior, but you have to understand why they are the way they are. Because then you have because that, and that's empathy, right? So acting really is a lesson in empathy. I think directing too because you have to be able to guide your actors to be able to do that. But yeah.

What's interesting, I think that in comedy, for the most part, our only version of that is generalities. And what I mean by that is, if I'm telling a joke about a person who eats babies. No, if I'm telling a joke and I'm the asshole in the joke or it's about an asshole I've run into or whatever, I don't need at all, I don't think, to understand why that asshole is an asshole. But I absolutely have to understand why a person would be an asshole, just in general. Yeah. Like, I think, I think to do comedy well and to bring out characters just for a joke, just for comedic's sake, not to really tell the full story like in a drama,

but just for comedy's sake, I think you just in general have to get every type of person you're covering. You have to get the hippie. You have to get the drop out. Even if it's the butt of the joke, if you're making fun of a juggalo, you might not have to understand why a specific person would become a juggler, but you have to totally get why a person will become a juggler,

which, by the way, I do. I wish I was a juggler. Yeah, that makes sense. Your type, comedy's type of empathy is, like, basically... allowing everybody to kind of like be who they are, like be their quirk. Or make fun of them for having it. But that's kind of also, that's kind of also like the same thing, right? Well, for the joke to be good, I think.

Like, you can, like, it's easy to make fun of people who are different, whether it's by choice difference, like a juggle-o or if it's not by choice. And that's why I think a lot of the sort of social justice and comedy movement is like, hey, let's stop picking. on someone just because they're gay or just because they're a woman or whatever and I get that. I really do. But one of the main reasons I get that is those are shitty jokes. Yeah. Like, it's much better to actually understand why someone would choose to be a juggalo and then make fun of it because you get why or you think you get why or whatever, you know? I mean, you know, there's the whole theory of you should always punch up and I don't want to get into that. Keep going on tangents. I did want to, well, first of all, let me say the people listening

now that we're, what, 15 minutes in? Well-read podcast, obviously, it's not done, but we are, as we've announced to you guys a few times, we're going to revamp it, we're going to do a new version of the podcast, and we're going to be making an announcement about that, but we're trying to keep it fresh, and you and I, Andy, haven't sat down for a long talk on here yet.

We did that short one, about 20 minutes of time when we were talking about behind the house. But I also, so I wanted to do that, and then I also wanted to talk to you about the movie, obviously because you're doing this big drive. You can pre-order the movie. Go to pushoramombov.com. It's pusherfilm.com.

I'm sorry. You go to pusherfilm.com. It's almost like you, I know you're correcting me because that's the real address. Yeah. But it's like you're saying, excuse me, it's a film. Not a movie. Pusherfilm.com.

Then you can find the Indiegogo where you can, for $15 pre-order it. Yeah. And that's awesome. Because everybody always at, every time I've been in a movie, people are always like, where can I see it? Where can I see it? So this is that, it's basically like, you know, that's answering your question. It's a pre-sale. But also there, there's other perks. You know, for more money, you can do other things because it is like an Indiegogo like you've seen GoFundMe's.

And one of the perks is for $250, well-read listeners, you can get two VIP tickets to the city of your choice to a well-read show. and Trey Crowder as the liberal redneck will leave you a by God away voicemail message to piss off all your family. So when someone calls you on your voicemail, you can be like, hey, Bill's not fucking here right now. But if you'll leave him a message, you might get back to you. But he'll, you know, throw something in there about the Carney Hand of Mango Man or whatever. Piss off all your conservative family. If that's what you want.

We did have a fan. Do you want to tell it or do you want? Oh, is it a fan? Oh, that was really funny. So for $350, we have two perk levels. For 350, your voicemail can be as dirty as you want it. What you said? It's curse words.

I did say cuss words. So it's vague, but also not vague. But this guy wrote on Twitter, I have my credit card in hand. If I buy this, well, Trey leave a message saying that I'm giving him the best head of my life. of his life. Trey wanted to say, I don't remember the dude's name. Let's say it was John.

John's not here right now. He can't answer the phone because he's busy giving me Trey Crowder the best head of my life. All our fans, man. Hilarious. So anyway, for $500, Trey Criter will leave a voicemail saying

that you're giving him the best head of his life. Yeah, we're pimping out Trey for this movie. Oh, man. So anyway, you do that, you know, if you want. And if you don't want, That's cool. You don't like good art, I guess. You don't want to be cool.

You don't want to support good causes? Yeah, if you don't, if you want to be a Republican, basically. Actually, quite a few Republicans have donated. So it's not a contest, but a contest. So go to pusherfilm.com. I wanted to talk to you a little bit about the why you did this not related to the story. So why you did this, you're an actor, but you're also a writer and now you're a filmmaker.

Why? Transition to that. Why make any movie? Not just this movie. We know that story. Why make any movie? So it's really hard being, you know this, being an artist, having a career. It's really hard having a career in art, you know, especially as an after I found in New York,

especially. I started feeling like I was putting my career in other people's hands and like waiting for people to give me permission because with acting especially, you're always, there's like a million gatekeepers you have to go through. Like you have to first your agent has to submit you. Then you have to get selected by. You have to get an agent. You have to get an agent.

Then you have to like be submitted by them for projects. Then you have to have some like casting assistant. Like bring you in for. an audition. Then the main casting director has to approve your audition. And then that goes to a producer. And then that goes to a director. And then maybe you get cast. And then once you get cast, you have to

you know. So there's just like a million steps. And I started feeling like I wasn't in control of my own career. It's also wild. I want to say one thing that was crazy to me, you showed me how many people auditioned for your film. Yeah. Which you announced in a regional manner.

Yeah. I think you had 3,000 women submit for the supporting actor? I had over 3,000 submissions. I mean, I had like, yeah, I don't know how many, but probably around like 5,000 submissions for the whole cast. So that makes you realize not only is all those gatekeepers, made me realize this too. It's like when you're going to get on long order or whatever,

it's going to be way more than that. Yeah. The numbers are just, it's a numbers game. Honestly, that might discourage a lot of people, but seeing how many people submitted kind of made me feel a little like calm like more like it gave me some peace of mind ironically enough

I get that I was like it's not literally like not in my hands nothing I can do about it other than just like be ready for when they do you should have some confidence too because you've just done Gotham yeah been on discovery ID network like the things you have gotten it's like

oh when I did get things and the auditions even just getting an audition in the time that you've gotten It's like, oh, I am doing a good job. Yeah. Well, so when I was in New York, you know, I was really going hard for the acting thing. And I wasn't making my own things as much anymore, which I've always done. You know, I've always, I've made some films, and I've directed plays, and I've written plays and directed those.

I got away from that a little more because I was so focused on, like, getting certain acting career goals. So I wasn't doing anything creatively for myself as much and got really depressed, like the last year we were in New York, and decided to make some changes because I realized, okay, well, when is the happiest I've been? It's when I've been creating my own art, you know, like making things for me and not for anybody else, but for the reason of telling stories that I want to tell and that make me feel fulfilled. as an artist and a person. So I just was like, okay, well, I have these stories in my head. I'm just going to make something. And I have a feature script that I've been working on for a long time, but I figured I should probably make a short film first.

And I had this story in my head. And so I decided to focus in on one thing, and I focused in on this story, sat down and wrote it in about a week. and then from there, then from there, my focus just shifted. I felt like this weight lift being lifted. Like, okay, this is mine. I know what I, I know like the start and the finish. I know how to get to the finish goal, the finish line.

I know the steps I need to take. This is all my project, you know, which is like adds, it adds some urgency and some stress it being yours, but also it made me feel a little free. you know, a little freer. I think, yeah, I mean, the word Brady gets thrown around so much it seems lately, and, you know,

obviously this isn't war, this isn't life or death, but I do think it's brave of you to put yourself out there like that. I mean, it's a conversation Trey and I have had about his own short film of like, there's no safety now here. It's your name, your product, or whatever you want to call it. I guess that's gross,

calling a product. But what I'm hearing is you love acting, but when that's all you're focused on was roles that someone else wrote when someone else was directing that didn't seem to be enough for you like you really wanted to do your own stories and play roles you wrote or roles that you feel like you're more suited for yeah I felt very limited in what I could do when I was just focused on acting like a career I mean I love I love acting I'm not going to pretend like that's not my my first love I love love love love the craft of acting and I love

training and I love any chance I get to act but I'm also you know discovering more that when you when you are an artist you have like you do grow your art form grows and it changes and it it should always be changing and no different don't it same so I think it's just natural that that, you know, I have been writing for a while. I think it's natural that at some point my career, my goals will shift to wanting to be able to tell stories in a much broader way. Well, the first thing that I saw that you wrote, you adapted a Tim O'Brien book, which is very famous, the things they carried, which is about his time of Vietnam. You adapted it for the stage. And I remember being blown away, which probably sounds actually like a little condescending in retrospect.

of like, but to be fair to me, like you were 21, 22. Yeah. You've never done anything like that before, at least that I had seen. Yeah, I had. And this play was incredible. And at the time, your mom was like, you know, we need to find someone to put this out so that other kids can do it. When you contacted Tim O'Brien, but he doesn't have ownership of it anymore.

And I'm, like, in retrospect, I've never agreed with your mom more, which I hope she doesn't listen to this podcast because that'll feel too good for her. She reminds me of her. And I just actually thought about that last week, how we need to eventually revisit that. Yeah, I had people from New York reach out to me when I did that play, because I was in college. I was in college. That was my senior thesis. I mean, it's going to sound like such a nerd right now, but I adapted this book in the style of Bertolt Brecht's epic theater.

And that's the way that I staged it. And that was kind of like a double part of my thesis. So nerdy. But that's, I mean, it was so, I love doing that. But so they, the local newspaper wrote, in Marable, wrote a story on me and the. Steve Walsman. D. De Wals.

Steve Wals is not dead. He did? He did? No. See what I. See what. No, he did it. No.

All right. We'll talk later. He did it. Okay. We should cut that part. Why? Awkward. This is like the most southern we've been, the whole podcast.

starting over and out somebody we used to know the dead. Yeah. No, no, it wasn't him. It wasn't him. That's Billy's kid. Billy's kid, duh. Billy who? You know Billy.

Sorry, go ahead. Where was I? Oh, so the newspaper wrote an article on me on that play. And then after, I guess some people were searching for a play of that book and found it. And, like, three people. One in New York City. like contacted me. It was like, can we use this?

And I'm like, actually, I was like, actually I'm doing this illegally. I never got permission from the publisher because they wouldn't write me back. So I would love to let you use it. But I can't. Yeah, my advisor was like, fuck it, just do it. I'm pretty sure from my one copyright class that because you're doing a predicate, like had you told them yes or like tried to, you know, put your name on it or even just get credit for it, you might have been in trouble, but you putting it on it at the school was

fine. But I shouldn't even said that. Punk rock, you're doing it illegal. Anyway. Yeah. Hell yeah. I don't know. Like, the idea of, you know, growing as an artist, well, let me back up here. One of our most popular, at least in terms of the response

we got, and the detailed responses we got. Episodes of when Bryson Turner came on and talked about Dream. I remember that episode. It was really good. You were talking just a little while now. Being in New York, we were chasing this.

acting more of being active since you were. I mean, that's literally the only thing I ever remember wanting to be. So, you're a lot. Yeah, my whole life. And... Thank you, Shirley Temple.

You're there in New York. You're getting auditions, but not a lot. I mean, I don't want to tell the story incorrectly, and I don't want to tell it for you, but I do, I'm trying to summarize it to ask the question of that pivot that you made. you said I asked myself

when I'm the happiest. Do you feel like circumstances spurred you to that? Did you ever consider quitting? And by quitting, let me ask that two different ways. Did you ever consider like being a teacher? Or do you feel like this pivot was not quitting, but like a moment where you went, oh, I got to do something different?

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely the latter? I did almost quit. I mean, well, I say almost as in like I would, was telling myself, okay, I'm going to quit. I'm going to do something different. And what was that going to be in your mind? I didn't know.

I went through a bunch of different scenarios in my head. I was like, okay, teaching. One was farmer. Like, I went through all different kinds of- But you already did a girl in a shit. Right. But everything that I thought about made me feel even more depressed. Right.

Everything that I, like, when I would put myself in that picture, I would be like, no. fuck that. I don't want to do that. And then I realize, okay, for better or for worse, this is who I am. I'm a creator.

I need to find a way to be happy and feel fulfilled on my own within this art, but within this world. Okay, so there's so many directions where you're going to do is, so one thing

that I've had conversations with other comedians about is that moment, Pete Ravello and I had a really good one. Pete Rovello, you have a huge crush on. When you realize, oh, I'll never quit, I can't quit. In New York specifically in the comedy scene, you're going around and you're doing mics, it's fun for a little while, and then it gets tiring and you see the same people and you're doing the same jokes and you can't get on shows and you see people getting

stuff and you know, you're happy for them unless you're a dickhead, but you're also like, am I ever going to get stuff and all that and you're going through that, and you think about quitting, most people do a lot. but there's a moment where you go oh I can't stop being who I am I mean I could never go on stage again but my brain's always going to work the way it does

I'm always going to love standoff comedy blah blah blah and it's such a peaceful feeling here it was to me and it was to him too do you have any of that yeah when I I think after I went through that depression and

that really hard time. After I came out on the end of it, like, resolved on who I was, I did feel a lot more peace, you know? Like, I was like, oh, okay, well, at least I know. And I said we could go a million different directions. And, you know, there's people listening, obviously, at work or, you know, at home with their kids or whatever. And I don't want to, like, you know, be too well made and dramatic about this. But, like, I think that that process is so important. for anything and anyone, not just like what it is you're doing with your life,

money-wise or job-wise, just in general. Yeah. And it doesn't compare, obviously, to like coming out of the closet or anything like that because that's a lot of scary

and there's bigger social issues with that. I don't mean that. But I do mean that it, that there's just a process you have to go through of accepting yourself. And then kind of going, oh, like happiness is not,

from me doing anything. Like, happiness is just very separate from this. This is just who I am. Right. And then as that person, I'll try to figure out how to be happy. Yeah, absolutely.

And... Because I've seen people make it in comedy thinking that was going to make them be happy and it didn't. You know what I mean? And, like, also just the society in general like views artists,

you know, people who haven't ever, like, aren't artists or haven't pursued that kind of career. I feel like they look at what your outcome is in a very limited way and that can fuck with you. You know, like as an actor, everybody that I talk to, their first questions are what big, have you been in anything big? That's like number one always. Oh, so and then they say things like, oh, I can't wait to tell everybody that I knew her when.

And so it's like, if you're not famous, in other people's eyes, you haven't made it. And there's so many other options for being an artist. That sounds like two. No, it's not. Like, being a filmmaker, like, if I made short films all my life and went to a bunch of film festivals, I'm not successful in the eyes of most people. But I'm, or if I make short films and they don't go to film festivals, but I make them. I'm trying to imagine that conversation of like, if you've been anything big and you're like, well, my short film just got in Sundance. Maybe they would like recognize that.

But you know what they would say then? Oh, cool. So are you going to direct the next? You know, then they would think like. Are you going to direct the next Star Wars? Yeah. Or like when do you get to direct a bigger movie or whatever? So I mean, that can, especially when you're young, that can really fuck with you as an actor, as an actress especially, I think, too.

Like, people are like, oh, well. Does it feel? How do you look? How does it feel different now? Like, um, well, you, so. Well, first of all, tell the story of Gotham real quick. I know it was a small part, but that is a big show. Just about when you found out you got it and all that.

Well, it was funny. Yeah. So we had decided that we were moving out of New York. We were going to go back to Tennessee because we wanted to come home for a little while. And I wanted to make this movie. So we were pretty much like, all right, let's go. We're out in New York. We're done with it.

I had auditioned for this casting director a bunch. Like, they probably brought me in more than anybody. And I was like, eventually, I'm going to book something. And I never did. And they brought me in for big roles. And, like, it just never happened. So that week, we were moving. I'm packing up our apartment.

And I get an audition for Gotham for this casting director. And I'm like, whatever, I'll go. But, you know, I didn't really care about it. I was like, fuck it. They're not going to cast me anyway. So I show up. I do, I'm, like, tired because I've been packing. I do this audition, like, very, like, happy.

I'm like, whatever, I'll just go in and do it and then leave. So I go, I do the audition, don't think anything else about it. We pack up the car. I drive to Tennessee with all our stuff. Literally the next I get a phone call over my manager saying that I booked this TV show, Gophe. Call Goph. He's call Goph. He's call Goph.

He's call Goph. Someone there, mine, him. So on their money. I'm selling their money. I'm selling their money. I'm selling their money. I'm selling their money. I'm selling their money.

I'm selling their money. I don't know. I think it's Chicago. But I, it was just so funny. It was like the most New York thing that could have happened. New York was like, oh, you think you're going to leave on your terms? Yeah, right, bitch. I tried to get a TV credit the whole time we were in New York five years.

That was like your big year. Like I have a TV credit because then I can turn that into this man. And I was like, I don't believe you. All I seemed to be able to do is indie film, which was great. I love film. But like, could not get a TV credit. and I was like, why can't I book a TV credit? And of course, as soon as I leave New York, that's just such a New York thing.

It's like that dude in the leather jacket who hates you until you leave him. Yeah. And then he's like at your doorstep with a boombox. New York's like an abusive relationship. They like, it is. It's like, you're like, oh, I'm done with you, New York. And they're like, wait, baby, don't leave. And then you come back.

I promise I change. And then you come back and then they break your leg. I want to say, your leg. I think you're going to say, oh, Jesus. Christ. Well, New York's like dating someone who breaks your leg. Remember,

I broke my leg in New York. That's true. Well, you... I broke my knee. Okay. I was like, wait, what?

You broke your leg and I forgot about it. I was also going to say, I think New York says, I'll change. That's true. New York's more like, no, okay, I love you now.

New York says, look, but we have this. Yeah. These are good. These are good, but we also have this. Um, I think,

I think, we probably need to wrap this up. What? What do you want to say about the movie? I guess one last thing if there's anything. Pitch it to people. What's your elevator pitch here? $15.

What are they getting? Okay, so for $15, for $15, you will be able to, well, you'll be supporting indie film, which... The movie ending. Tell them how much they'll love. love it. Okay, but I also want to say that it's being created by a team of regional artists and filmmakers, bringing people in from Kentucky and Georgia, Knoxville. I mean, we've got, I'm hired, I hired an actor that's from my hometown who I didn't even know was, I didn't know there's another

actor in my hometown, but there he was. This girl from, she grew up in Hazard, Kentucky. She plays one of the main supporting roles. I know she's from Hazards. She's from Hazards. She gets it. I thought she weren't be able to believe there a lot. Right. So it's a truly, truly regional, regionally created film, which was very important to me. So you're supporting a lot of local regional artists. The film itself, I think, will be very moving for people. I hope that it creates some dialogue around Appalachia and the opioid epidemic and just taking ownership of your life in general. So I think it will be a moving film that will stick with you after you watch it and hopefully move you to think.

Yeah. Is that a good pitch? Great. And you're donating, whatever money the film makes, you're donating 10%? 5%. A piece? Or tell it. Well, we're donating.

So it's two different things. We're donating 5% of our Indiegogo fundraiser to two different nonprofits. One is the Appalachian Life Quality Initiative, which is in my hometown. They do work in Morgan and Scott County, which is where Drew's from. They fund a lot of programs, especially for underserved kids in Appalachia, like dental programs, health programs, that kind of thing. And the other one is called Queer Appalachia, which a lot of people may follow that list to your all's podcast, because I've imagined it's probably pretty similar.

But Queer Appalachia just started an addiction recovery program where they're going to help particularly people in the LGBTQ community in Appalachia, stay clean, find programs that will help them to get clean and stay clean networks that they can have access to that will help them. If you're listening to, I've still haven't gotten my June Carter-David-Bowie T-shirt that I wear off you guys. You know, it's no big deal. I know you guys are busy.

That's a dope shirt, though. I want it so bad. So we're donating 5% of the Indiegogo fundraiser to those two. But we're also any money that the film ends up making. Beyond the budget. Beyond the actors and all that. After we've made the film and we've paid everybody and blah, blah, blah. If it makes any money, we're going to donate all of that to them.

What if somebody buys it for $2 million? Whoa. Put her on the spot, guys. I'm a great journalist. You got to donate it. Well, I mean, some people would have, I feel like if they're buying it for $2 million, they're probably buying it. So, they're probably, there's a stipulation to what they're going to buy it for. So I would.

So I would. No, no, I would make a deal with them. You have to donate so much to these two nonprofits on top of making our feature. I was just kidding with you anyway. Well, okay, but I should have just said, I'll donate all over it. I should be prepared. I'm kidding. Well,

a podcast, sponsored, of course, by Purdue Pharmaceuticals. Purdue Pharmaceuticals. Found everywhere where four people are dead. Oh,

my God. Fuck big pharma. Yeah, man. Actually, let's do that real quick. Just a real quick on that. Because I had to get into

an argument with the lady I went to law school with who's super liberal, former public defender, super progressive, and, you know, I made some post about pharmaceuticals and pain pills and, you know, at the time, West Virginia specifically was being blamed and billed as Trump country. And I just made a post about how it wasn't true and how that's a gross misconception and generalization,

how there's so many people there. And then I said, and also let's talk about the plight of the people there that this national democratic machine doesn't give a shit about, hasn't given a shit about, and I'm going to do this whole thing. And she was like, yeah, I don't know. I think I'm tired of people demonizing, you know, these pharmaceutical companies as if they don't make medicine and acting like pain medication isn't necessary because it is. And look, all this is is that, you know, and she'll never listen to this, but she liked to demonize, you know, the South and the Rust Belt and all that a lot. She really did.

She really liked to blame all of the world's problems on, you know, poor white people or whatever. But, you know, I realized then that a lot of liberals and progressives truly didn't get it. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Like, that study that was part of the lawsuit that Purdue had to settle where they literally planned to go to Central Appalachia because it would make the most money off paying medication. Yeah. Not because people there were more injured, but because the socioeconomic situation, along with the fact that a lot of them had insurance, was rare in this country. And because they did, you know, work in mines and stuff, they could get doctors to prescribe gnarly pain pills when they should be describing Tylenolism, et cetera, et cetera.

It still shocks me that people don't realize that. Yeah. I mean, just the numbers that have rolled into small, especially in West Virginia, if you look at the numbers of how many pain bills have been brought in in a year, these towns of like 1,000 people. Yeah, there was one where the county had like 10,000 people in it and they had 7 million pain pills described there. It's like, well, A, clearly people are coming from out of that county to get those doctors. Yeah. And B, clearly people either aren't using that many or they're overusing them and the doctors don't care. I hope it's starting to turn around, though, because, I mean, in my hometown, just this weekend, we found out that the big pill doctor there who got super rich off of it.

He just got rated. Well, A, I'll believe it when I see him actually go to prison. And B, that was part of Jeff Sessions big crackdown on drugs. That's one of the things he wanted to do with it. So his response to the opioid epidemic is going to be to throw people in jail. And when it comes to doctors, you know, I'm kind of for that. But when it comes to... But he's not going to fuck with the people who are making all the...

the money at the top of Big Parma. He's not going to do that at all. No, because they gave him money. I'm surprised he's fucking with the middleman, but I'm glad he is. And he's mostly going to fuck with the addicts, and they're going to get rid of. They already, part of the opioid epidemic response that Trump's pushing is to get rid of a lot of money set aside for rehab and use it on more cops. That's what we need, guys. More cops.

The Wildroad podcast is sponsored by the prison industrial complex. The prison industrial complex brought to you everywhere where black people are moved to live. where poor white people are. That's also my other favorite things when they make a prison in like a poor, you know, white area or whatever. And it's like, we're going to bring in so many jobs. And I'm just like, all right. Well, this is more put pit in black right against white, right there.

Well, we're going to get out of here. I guess that's a good way to do. Yeah. Yeah. Let's end on the prison industrial complex. And Big Pharma, which I think is at the heart of this film. Yeah. Actually, yeah. Yeah, it really is.

Fuck Big Pharma. they all die. Well. Great. Let's in there. Now you know why I married her, guys. An empath who wants to set stuff on fire. Yeah.

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