wellRED podcast - #76 - The Smoking (James) Gunn

Episode Date: July 24, 2018

The boys discuss the James Gunn situation, Confederate Statues, and Drew closes with a hilarious red-assed tale. wellREDcomedy.com for ticketssmokeyboysgrilling.com for meat rubs from our sponsors

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Drew don't hit. Okay, so Corey, how do you feel about James Gunn? That's what I want to know. Could you ask me that? What did you say? How do you feel about James Gunn? Well, that's a loaded question. Yeah, that's a...

Couldn't be more of a loaded question. I'm aware of that. Okay. So, I've thought about it a lot. I bet. And A... Because you're a colossal guardians fan. Yeah.

Me and you saw the first Guardians together. And it was a second, right? we saw them both together yeah dude i'm not kidding i think this is why it hurt me so much and you didn't do anything wrong i'm you didn't do anything wrong i'm pretty sure that like since the first guardians the ant man and wasp is the first marvel cinematic universe movie that we haven't watched together in theaters that actually might be true it is true and we tried to do it and there was a shit ton of reasons as to why we couldn't. And then I had to because I can't go too long

without seeing it. You know, that's how I am. So I went and saw it the other day and before we go into what you were asking, it was dope. I haven't seen it. It deserved every bit of its 86% on Rotten Tomatoes, if not more. But yeah, no. So Guardians of Galaxy hits for me so hard.

James Gunn is the driving force behind it. He's the writer. He's the director. He is the I've seen a lot of people say and like they're not wrong because a lot of your average movie goers they don't know but i've seen a lot of people say like if this was chris pratt they'd let it go they would have let it go of course they wouldn't have to go because they couldn't make the movie without it because he's and that's what people are saying is like because he's behind the scenes you know it's fine they can

let him go they wouldn't do this is one of the people in the front of it and those people are right but I hear that and I'm like he is so much more Without a doubt He's so much more important To what those movies are Agreed What they've been

Agreed But you have to have Star Lord Without a doubt I agree with you But at the same time Someone else can direct Star Lord But you can't just not do it without Star Lord So here's how I feel

This is my Star Lord Right Nothing happened to Star Lord We're saying You just There are a lot of people saying like, I mean, among a bunch of things, people are saying about the James Gunn thing, one of the things people are saying is, if this was Chris Pratt who had said this shit,

I guarantee you they wouldn't have fired him. Because he's too important. Right, exactly. And I'm saying that, those people are right, but that upsets me because to me, James Gunn is more integral to what makes Guardians and Guardians and movies. That's not really why it upsets you. It upsets you because this is bullshit. Oh, well, I mean, dude, buddy, there's that too. I'll answer, no, that's not too, because, like, it doesn't matter how important somebody is.

Well, I'll now answer. If their behavior, you know, is horseshit, it doesn't matter how important they are. Get rid of them. And then, if it's a fucking lighting guy and he made some jokes that he's not proud of 25 years ago, then don't fire his ass. He needs a job. Do you know what I mean? Like, we have to stop gauging this shit on how important or not.

Well, we, right. Well, we weren't. We're saying they was. But then his reaction to that, Signor, Extremo, Moshe de Ria. And Mr. Butt. Welcome back to the pocket.

Back in the game, baby. Yeah. It's been a minute. And that's kind of how I feel. You'd ask me. Mr. But said it all. He did. That's 100% how I feel because, like, okay, look, I'm not,

I don't want to be, and let me finish this thought process. I don't want the, other side to have any fucking ammo at all to come at me and come at the left and go, well, you don't give a shit when it's this, but you certainly give a fuck when it's this. And I know

what they're talking about. They're talking about the Roseanne shit. Right. Well, the Roseanne shit... Not the same thing. Of course it's not. Of course it's not. Roseanne, as a person now just said that shit while working on the goddamn show. Right. He said it fucking years ago. Years ago. So it is different. It's 100% different. And I know it's different.

I think also she'd be doing racer shit and then making a joke that's racist. Well, and also... But also, not every... I mean, we weren't calling for her head. No. No, we weren't. Hell, the only reason I heard about it was because of them.

When I was asked about Roseanne, my whole thing, I said, I was like, you know, if you hired Roseanne, you got to be ready for this type of shit, and I feel the same way about James Gunn, so I feel like I've been consistent the whole time. I mean, it is different because James Gunn said it 10 years ago versus Roseanne's saying it in the heat of the moment, right? The first take I saw, and I think this has come to bear, but right when it happened, the Trillillillies, the Trillillie Workers Party, the podcasts out of Kentucky, the socialists I follow, they said, we get rid of Roseanne, we're about to get four new cop shows.

Yeah, right. The demographic don't go away, and the fucking networks desire to plug into that demographic, don't go away. So now you're going to get a worse thing. Yes. You're going to get a fucking reality show horrifying police officer. This is like kind of, I mean, this is kind of similar, but I remember when Affleck fired Gilbert Godfrey. And did a second I thought Ben Affleck had hired Gilbert Godfrey?

Hilarious. He would never. I actually. Either one of that the same way at first. I remember what you were talking about. When Affleck. When Affleck, the inch, and I don't even remember the joke, but Affleck, he was the It was after the, uh, Japanese, Japanese tsunami.

Yeah. And they fired Gilbert Gottfried over a tweet that he made. And the tweet was egregious. Now, here's the deal. If Gilbert Goughrey was just touring, the tweet would be egregious and it would be up to the fans that were coming to see him to determine whether his punishment for that tweet. But, I mean, I get it. Affleck is a goddamn huge corporation. He made a very insensitive tweet.

Now, do I think it was probably funny and you should be able to joke about anything? Of course. But do I think that Affleck... A company should be able to decide someone who represents their brand. 100%. Because you never know how many hundreds of thousands or if a million dollars that's going to cost you with people going like, I don't want Japanese people that don't want. I get it.

So I fucking get it. So, like, with Disney, but he said that then. Like, he was representing them at the time. They knew it then. That's the thing that pisses me off about it. Hold on. Hold on. I don't think it's fair for y'all to get mad about that because you're effectively saying that a company can decide if this is going to affect my bottom line,

I'm totally in my right to make sure it doesn't. They 100% are. It's totally fair for Disney to say it wasn't affected our bottom line until it became a big deal. No, I know that. But what I'm saying is. No, I agree with that, but I'm also saying they never should have hired him in the first place. In my opinion. If you're Disney.

I think they got two films out of them before it came out. I know that shit, but I'm saying like if you're Disney and you're not good enough at scrubbing the people that you... They knew. That's what I'm saying they weren't 100%. They vet. They have to vet. What did they do wrong under your... They should have had him delete them goddamn tweets before they ever did a fucking movie.

Yeah. But I'm saying like, they got two great movies out of it. For sure. They did. They did. They're not going to losing this at all. I'm saying, no, of course they're not. If we go with the bottom line argument, their bottom line is fine.

I know that. And right. But I'm saying that they, I understand why they did what they did. But at the same time, there's a great, I'm not fault in Disney at all. I'm faulting the, I don't want to say social justice words, because I hate that term, because it usually gets used as a pejorative to people who are actually doing a decent thing. But what I'm mad about is, is, it is that. Just people getting up in their ass about some shit that was said 10 years ago and James Gunn.

to his credit, never came out and said... Why do we care what they think? I just care that... I think it's important to care. What do you mean? What... I know. I see these tweets.

I care that you... This is bullshit. Fire him. I care that you don't... I care that there's a society... Honestly, I think it's a little bit objective. I care... If I'm being totally honest.

And I'm talking to as a guy who's a fan of James Gun and was a fan of James Gun before the Guardian shit just to be a total hickster about it. it, but that shit is kind of like, you've read them, I know you have, like it's just bad.

I care, it's bad. I care that there's people. It's bad. I don't care what the, I don't care that people have opinions. I care that, let's just let me finish it. I care that you can't make the distinction between something said

right now and something that was said 10 or 15 years ago or whatever the fuck. I get mad that you can't go, could this person have grown? That's the only thing I get mad about it. I don't disagree with that, but the fact that people exist that aren't capable of doing that, why should I, do we, in general, give a fuck about those people? Well, why do you care that people? There's too many of them.

I just hate people that don't think right shit. You know what I don't mean? I honestly don't. Well, this hurts free speech in a way. Yeah, I kind of. Because we're letting it. I don't really know what, what's the difference? Yeah, I don't really know where you're going with that.

Why do you care if this dude says, oh, I think all gay people deserve it. Well, what gives a fuck what this guy says. I give a lot of fuck about what. that guy says. A lot of this... I give a fuck if that guy's a senator, making policy. I just care that that person exists. I mean, yeah, what am I going to do about it?

But, like, it does bother me that that dude exists. It bothers you that dude exists. I'm not saying that... I've seen you drunk on Twitter. I'm not talking about it. I'm not going to act like it doesn't bother me. That dude exists. I'm saying that we're giving power.

I mean, this is the whole game with social media is given power to the mob. Like, how do you prevent that from happening? You will, right? I think it's a word... To me... But the mom has all... This is a very interesting situation. because like

I don't blame anybody that reads like those tweets all of these tweets like because there's so there's so so many of them how many were there

of fuck I don't even know but I don't even know but dude a lot a whole lot and anybody that reads them all and is like grossed out by it

yeah I get that I don't I don't blame them at all and Disney being for what? Finish that for being grossed out for being grossed out by it.

We're walking fire. Those are two different things. You're, okay, but that's what's so wild about this specific case because, again, I'm a fan of the dude and also, like, I would defend him in general. But I also totally see where Disney's coming from because, like, I mean, they're pretty fucking bad, man. Yeah, they're gross. They're, yeah. The amount of them is weird. That's one thing that I didn't want to get into, but I don't want to get into.

Yeah, I've written a pedophile joke before, but, like, I wrote a pedophile joke. You didn't write in 400 of them. It weren't funny. I realized it weren't. And I was like, well, I mean, don't get wrong. I'll table it. But still, like, you know. Ah, fuck him. He deserved to be fired.

Next, next time of it. No, I'm kidding. No, I mean, that's fair to say. Like, I genuinely, I genuinely see both sides of this particular thing. I'm just saying there's a statute of limitations on fucking rape. Yeah, but there ought not be. Of course there ought not be. I'm saying there is one.

No, there kind of should be. I'm going to get raped for that one. Should there be one on murder? If there shouldn't be one on murder, then there shouldn't be one on rape. There's a reason statute of limitations exist. But if there ain't one on murder, then... People think about that, and here's how they think about it. A person got raped.

30 years later, we know who did it, but we're not allowed to get that person. But the way they're written is someone's accused of rape. So some bullshit can't just keep happening. Someone's accused of rape, and they have to defend themselves. 30 years ago without the ability to really... Well, I hear you, but in my opinion, if that's the case, which it is, I think murder should be the same way. Right.

I mean, it is, isn't it? No, murder has no statute. No statute of limitations. And the theory there is it's too important. Yeah, right. But to me, child molestation and rape, to me, are exactly the same because, dude, murder me. To me, those are worse than murder. Well, yeah, right.

At least I get to be fucking dead in one of them. I mean, that's easy for us to say. Sure, but, well, I mean... But I agree. I'm just saying like Hello? In one instance you get to be dead Right

And the other ones you have to go through your entire life wishing you were fucking dead For those of you listening out there When we say get to be dead And we mean it to sound like a positive thing It's because we mean it to sound like a positive thing Which is funny the way you phrase it No I know

And I know how that sounds coming from me But like what I'm saying is like When you're dead You is dead But there's a lot of rape victims And child molested Child molestation victims who like sincerely just go through their entire life

fucked up wishing they were fucking dead. So like, I don't know. That is worse to me. I'd rather be fucking dead. I think there's a country song about this. Fucking in the butt. Fucking in the butt. Fucking in the butt.

I'd like to fuck us. Have you all seen Super or Slither? No. Was that James Gun movie? Yes. Are there any child fucking jokes in his movies? I've been curious about that. In Super Ellen Page rapes.

Straight up rapes the fuck out of Rain Wilson. And Slyther is just... But he's an adult in the movie, right? Ellen Page raped Rain Wilson? You're supposed to believe that? Juno raped Dwight. Yes. Is this a comedy?

Yeah. It is. I mean, yeah, I can see that. You know that fucking movie that... And I like Bobcat Galtway. God bless America. Heather's... God bless America.

How it's just... That movie that fucking... comics jacked themselves off over when it first came out. I mean, I loved it too. It pissed me off. But I like Robin Williams. It pissed me off. It didn't Robin Williams.

World's dressed ad, you're right. It pissed me off because Super had come out like six months earlier in the same year. And it's literally the exact same movie. Well, you know, the comment. It's the same exact movie. It's just a regular guy deciding I'm going to fucking, you know, the teach. But what teach you? Like just two years, have you seen God Bless America?

No, and Corey's about. What is it? What's the either of them about? He decides he's going to kill folks that don't hit. That don't hit. Papal Batman? It's Papal Batman. Years before I thought of it, the assholes.

Falling Down? The argument that I always heard was that... We can talk about falling down all night long. I love that movie. It's a fucking great movie. You know, I've never seen it. Super's a good movie, too. I've never seen Fallen Down.

But Super and God Bless America came out the same. But you know, and again, so many people were fucking jacking God Bless America off and it annoyed me because it was the same fucking movie. To defend God Bless America, kind of. Heather's, that's what they said about God Bless America, that that was Heather's in the 80s with Christian Slater. That was that movie. Okay, fair enough. So I'm saying to, you can't say. Again, it was like within, within 12 months of each other, though.

Well, that happens all the goddamn time. Okay, so they're ripping them. I'm saying they both ripped off Heather's is what I'm saying. None of this matters. All I'm saying is... Also, we can't make a movie in six months, so if one came up six months before the other one, they didn't know. That happens all that. There's a word for it, but what I'm not blaming the people...

I'm not blaming Bobcat. You guys are telling me that Hollywood is doing the same shit every ten years? I'm not blaming Bobcat for making it. I'm talking about... This is literally just inside baseball shit. I'm talking about all the comics that were jacking that movie off when James Gunn's movie came out six months before and was the same fucking thing. I don't blame Bob. jacking that movie?

White Earp, Tombstone happened. You know. It happens all the time. You're right. I'm just saying they both jacked. They were all jacking off heathers. I never even heard of Super.

If you watch fucking, if you watch Super or Slither too, Slither also. What's this one about? Slyther. It's about an alien invasion, but it's... That rapes kids? It's, I mean... Don't give him that. It's wild and gross.

Do y'all know what fucking... Where James Gunn started? He started in trauma. Do you know what trauma is? No. No. Why are you angry? I'm not angry at y'all.

I don't think so. Would it help you if I spoke like this? So, Troma is a movie studio, Drew, that makes a lot of very, like, purposefully... They're the Edge Lord. They're the Edge Lord movie studio. They've been around forever. They make Toxic Avenger movies. Corey knows those.

We've talked about those, right, Corey? The Toxic Avenger. That was them? That's Troma. James Gunn started out with... He started out. He started out with trauma. I get all this.

He started out with trauma. No shit. So did fucking Disney when they hired him. Well, this is, okay. Jesus Christ, I'm so sorry. You didn't know none of this? No, and I'm now very sorry that I said anything. That's why this is wild.

That is wild. That ain't why this is wild. But that's one of the reasons why it pisses me off. Toxic Avengers was like, it was insane. Bro, it was insane. Bro, James Gunn has been this guy his entire career. And on it, but. And Disney.

And to his credit, he's evolved as a person. Absolutely. That doesn't at all affect your bottom line argument. Disney took a gamble on a guy who had talent. They made a shitload of money off him, and then as soon as he was... They should have paid some intern $3,000 to go back and delete every tweet he ever fucking made. That's undeniably true. If you're going to pour millions of dollars into a guy that is like that, which he is, and they didn't.

That was what I said. I don't understand how Disney, the colossal fucking conglomerate that they are worth billions of dollars, didn't go, all right, we're going to hire this guy. How about, because, dude, when you do anything, you vet them. Like, you vet everything. I know. That's the part that bothers me. That's why I'm mad at Disney.

Once I'm at a job interview, I got asked about a joke I had made on the internet that was hidden in seven years old. So I feel like Disney could have done something better with tweets that were just out there. I saw a tweet that hit for me. that was like, I don't remember exactly how they phrased it, but it was like, we can't have somebody who has tweeted this awful shit or who has said this awful shit in their past representing our brand.

And then it said what Disney Walt Disney is? Jesus don't help. And then it just showed like a bunch of screenshots from Song of the South, the Red Faces, Crats with the fucking China. China-ass-ass. racist yellow face cat and all the the racist shit that Disney has done over the years. And that actually proves my point is like yeah y'all've evolved. To me that's fair. Yeah well no it is

a fair argument to me. But that proves my argument is like look things used to be shitty and then y'all evolved and so did James Gunn. He don't do that no more. Y'all don't do that no more. Now they as Disney has to come out and defend him using that. If Disney came out and said look at this shit, y'all still love that but look at this. But look at this We don't do that no more. And James Gunn does not do this no more. We all grow as people, but it's easier for them just to... I would say, I would say, but Disney, they don't do that.

And, like, I... Of course they don't. Anybody that, like, keeps up with us, like, super hard is going to call me out for being a company man for this, but I swear to God, that's not what's happening. With Disney, they... You know, they went back to all the, like, old pictures of Walt Disney, and they photoshopped out, like, the cigarette. and stuff.

Walt Disney smoked like two packs a day. You had to. And they photoshopped it out. Dude, have you ever tried to hate Jews and fucking... You gotta have some energy.

Right. But Song of the South, they've, like, tried to erase that movie. Smokes a pack a day. Disney has put a lot of money and effort into erasing any kind of like...

Yeah. Black Mark on their, you know, legacy. Whereas, with the Looney Tunes, Warner Brothers, they put out their old-ass shit with a message on the front of it that says

look to act or to erase the racist parts of these cartoons would be the same thing as acting like it never existed in the first place right so we're not going to do that that's just what this is and they acknowledge their racist shit Disney don't do that

and in defense Daffy was being a bitch they take completely like Disney tries to erase all their old shit. And so, right, but. This James Gunn's stuff makes, but that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. They've been doing this for forever.

But that's the argument. What you just said, though, is the argument that people make about not taking down the Confederate statues. No, here's the difference. In a way. No, but here's a difference. Oh, I know there's a difference,

but that's the argument they make. Number one, they were put up in like the 60s and 70s as part of the dollars in the revolution who were just supporting racism. It had nothing to do with history. Number two, they're not ever part of a proper historical state or historical. I'm not... Whereas the cartoons, that's Disney's true history.

I agree. Whereas a fucking statue in Town Square that was erected in 1970 is not at all the true... If I may, I wasn't saying that that was a proper argument to throw at Trey. I was saying that is the argument. It's what I'm saying, you can't erase history. That's just what they do. in your context, it makes complete fucking sense. But also, for what it's worth, I used to feel the same way about that.

I mean, most all Confederate monuments like Drew is saying are all fucking bullshit. It was like, but, but, I mean, I've always thought and still think that you got to teach it. Just trying to act like it didn't happen. It's bullshit. Yeah. And we, it is fucking bullshit. If you got to teach it and say that we were fucking, we had slaves. Yeah.

and we fucking lynched people and shit. Well, you know what's crazy? You got to, like, you've got to acknowledge all that. You know what's crazy? If you don't, then. But you know what? Always bothered me about that argument when they would go, oh, well, if you're doing that, it's just making it seem like history never happened.

That is history. And I'm like, you had to hear it in class. I'm like, okay, so where was all that in class? Yeah, exactly. I was like, where was all that in class? Because I remember the Martin Luther chapter of our, Martin Luther King chapter of our book, and y'all got all stuff over a lot of shit. Like it didn't happen because it didn't hit for y'all.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but to me, those ain't mutually exclusive. True. It seemed like both those things are true. That is bullshit, but also... My point was it was the same dude saying both things. It was the same dude going, he's a hypocrite piece of shit.

Yeah, well, that's all I want to say. Right. That's literally, that's all I want to say. Well, and there's also in the town square, and there's a fucking Stonewall Jackson statue. It's never like, you know, we fought in these battles, and then 400,000.

slaves died here. Yeah, it's just a nice bust of him. Yeah, it was just like in one, three words. It's like, right, you left out all of it. Sure. No, don't hit. Because, you know, there'd be pictures of Hitler in Holocaust museums. It just talks about what he actually did.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I don't know if there actually is now that I think about it. No, dude, that's our whole. Dude, there has to be. We've talked about that on the, on the podcast before, but like that, that's the whole thing. That's the difference with us. Like, we fucking glorify it.

Right. That's what the problem is. They hide it and put it in a thing. You can come see this. You need to acknowledge it. You have to acknowledge it. Don't try to whitewash it to act like it never happened. You have

to acknowledge it, but don't fucking glorify it. And that's what we do. Whereas, yeah, at Holocaust museums and shit like that, they don't be glorifying Hitler. They ain't got a picture of, they ain't got a statue of Hitler on a fucking horse just with his in the air like just hitting hard as a motherfucker you know

you know he did which is what we do with fucking stonewall he rode horses i wish we could cut into i've seen a picture him right in the horse lee baines and the glory fires whitewash right now i can listen at home pause and you want to just want to do it where we at 25 minutes lee won't give a fuck now he'll be into it 25 minutes yeah i'm gonna say my full disclosure i could not find the song yeah well i guess we've solved that one i'm gonna send myself of a goddamn text. Right now.

But no, but the James Gunn thing, man, I've thought about it a lot because I'm like fucking, I'm all over the place with this particular thing. I get it from all sides. Here's what it really is. It just don't hit for me.

Roseanne was a little difficult because it was like, I know she's a racist and I know a racist made a racist joke. But why did ABC hire a racist in the first place? That's what I said about Roseanne the whole time I said the same thing.

I was like, yeah it's fucking Roseanne like you they shouldn't have hired her in the first place if they weren't prepared if they were prepared

to deal with this scenario they shouldn't have fucking hired her and also that is the problem with like the liberal version of racism and white supremacy in America

where it's all reactionary Roseanne tweets a thing and we fire her whereas she was always the same lady but nobody gave her a fuck until she tweeted one thing. Right, exactly.

Because no one gives a fuck if somebody's racist, if they can make a money. That's why I, and I know we've all always said, like, when it comes to these Richard Spencer assholes that are out here now, like, I'd rather them be emboldened to be out in the open because, like, they were still the same motherfuckers before. Oh, yeah. But at least now we know who they are. I said this on a podcast, so that's the Roy Woodrow. you have to like, there's some part of you

has to be like, well, maybe they're not racist. But you know what they really wanted to call them. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Kenyon was the best synonym for the N-word that they've ever come up with. How close to Kenyon? How close to Nigeria is Kenyon? Well, you know.

Yeah, a couple letters. Yeah, dude. It's fucking nuts. But yeah, with Roseanne, everybody knew she was that. With fucking Richard Spencer, everybody knew. Well, of course, them people, you can't fire from a march. You know what I'm saying?

Like that, that's how you give them shit, they get more popular. Roseanne, if Roseanne wanted to hit the fucking alt-right speech circuit, she'd be crushing right now. Destroy. She don't want to because that'd be, you know, go.

And I'll say this. I do think that she is racist, but I don't think she knows she's racist. I don't think she wants to be racist. And that doesn't make it okay. I'm just saying like, that is what I think is going on with her.

I genuinely think Roseanne has severe mental issues. That's what I was supposed to say. I think Roseanne's just a fucking lunatic. She's just a crazy person. I think, yeah, I think she's an opportunist. I think she's

a crazy person. And I think that... She's also not for nothing. Phenominally talented. And insanely funny. Yeah. And so you can't leave that. I mean, I don't want to leave that out because, like, Roseanne's got one of my favorite jokes of all time. I tell it all

the time that she said, she goes, my sister said why damn it how's it go she goes my sister says I don't have any class and I act like a man and I always tell her you know what suck my dick and that's such a great joke and she was great and at the time when Roseanne

that was so hard for her without a doubt it was hard for women Roseanne was important and and like and it kind of still is unfortunately dude fucking you know I've been through two different

iterations of trying to make a network sitcom, a white... I thought you're going to say two iterations of defending Roseanne. A white working... Well, I think I kind of am. Yeah, no. It was a fucking white working class network sitcom, and throughout both Roseanne came out. Roseanne kept coming. Roseanne was like the benchmark for the whole thing.

And like, rightfully so. That first show... That first show... It was amazing. Dude, it's undeniable. It's absolutely in a viable. and that's the problem that a lot of people have with that, with what's happening now,

is they're like, that show meant so fucking much to me. And, I mean, you could say all you want, like, yeah, this is the same lady, but that ain't the same character. That's not the same Roseanne. She would not fucking do that. And the thing about it is, is, like, one of the things that it was hard for me

to, like, immediately jump on her back because first I genuinely believe she has mental issues and I take, I have sympathy for that. Like, regardless of how you are, if it's untreated, now she or... Do people. have known that she was insane for a while now. Right.

So, but with her, it's like when she came out, like, she's a very important lady in stand-up and in the entertainment industry. When she came out, it wasn't easy. It ain't easy goddamn now for a woman in stand-up. It won't be easy in 10 years for a woman in stand-up. It, God-dam sure wasn't easy for a woman 30 fucking years ago in stand-up, and that's how colossally talented and funny she is. And I promise you, she wasn't just sucking racist dicks the whole time back the

She was crushing and being funny. Now, she was the truth, man. That's actually why, to me, it's so painful and why I care so much. Like, when they, I notice we're not talking about Tim Allen right now. I don't give a fuck about Tim Allen. The same shit kind of happened. I mean, he got re-picked back up. But, like, there were people going, oh, Tim Allen has a conservative show,

and they took him off just to being. I didn't bad and I didn't give a fuck. Because to me, the reason it's more important with Roseanne is because, like, I want Roseanne to be good because of how important she is for my area of the world and what I do and just, I don't know, it sucks, but she's a fucking lunatic, and you're right, they fucking knew, and they knew James Gunn did that shit. And God damn it, for what it's worth, a lot of them motherfuckers knew Harvey Weinstein did that shit, but they don't give a shit until somebody's hands in their goddamn pocket, and then they go, whatever. Right, well, okay, so that's

why I see it from all directions. I'm trying to. Because, like, yeah, they did know, but then they didn't know and that makes it hypocritical and shitty that they hired them in the first place or whatever if they were going to act this way but at the same time you know when somebody finds out

like what the fuck like of course that's what they're going to do you know like I mean and I don't and I'm sorry I don't blame Disney I really don't like I get it anyone who act who is personally upset by

No. Like if I met a person or know a person. I've seen him on Twitter. I've seen one person be like, you know, I have kids and this is very upsetting. And I thought that was interesting where there's a lot of people who are like, this is offensive to people who've been abused. And I'm like, so you're saying it's not offensive to you. You're saying that there's third party that you're here to defend on the interview. Let me guess. Are these white people? Yeah. Of course they are. We excel. We are first ballot hall of famers in getting offended on behalf of people. That's what we do. Because we can't get offended on behalf of ourselves because we're white. Like, what could we get mad about? What annoys me so much about that is that you can't.

That used to be the rights move to be offended on behalf of people who aren't them or to be defensive on behalf of people who aren't them. I mean, you can start the most basic label on board. born babies, but like, you know, all the way up to some person who didn't get a scholarship because of affirmative action. They never had that person in the room with him. It was just, what about the guy who affirmative action screwed over? In other words, they were always upset and defending someone who wasn't there. That used to be their move, and I hate that we've taken that move over.

I mean, I do think, you know what it is? It's that whole ally thing, and that's important. It's important to, like, the allies to people who need you to stand up for them. But just getting offended automatically on behalf of people. especially if you haven't seen those people talk about it or be offended. Right. Well, it's something that's, like, I mean, it's a bad thing that comes from a good thing, like alcoholism. You know what I mean?

Sure. Drunk hits, being needing to get drunk, don't hit. But, like, the thought of going, oh, we shouldn't just constantly be defending people that aren't us is not a good thing to say. Because, like, you have to do that. Hell, we, I wouldn't have no goddamn tennis shoes if it wasn't for that shit. But, yeah, when you just sit out there and blindly just be like, we're just going to be fucking the ones that say, regardless of what, you have to at least talk to the motherfuckers first. Are you offended by this? Or if you're not, I don't give a fuck.

Every white comedian, I mean, or at least in the South or especially in the South, every white comedian that's ever made a black joke, no, or that's worth a fuck, knows that if there are black people in the crowd and your joke hits. it will hit for them. Like, the only people that ever get upset about it are fucking white people in the crowd that are covering their bases because there are black people in the crowd while you're making a black joke. It's never the actual black people

that are upset about it. You know what I mean? Never. And that's not just black people, by the way. I mean, it's fucking gay people, whatever. It doesn't matter. It's mostly black people, but you know what? Yes.

I mean, well, as comedians in the South. No, I know. As comedians in the South, it is mostly like it. I'm trying to prove my own point by just making a shitty joke. But it is mostly black people. Yeah. And I've always... As a white comic in the South, it is mostly black people.

I've always attributed to... And it's never the actual black people in the crowd that are offended or upset by it. It's the white people that are offended on behalf of the black people in the right. I've always attribute to the white person has time to get mad at me. The black person, by the time they process, even in the white people... if it was every single one of my black jokes fucking hits. But I'm saying, I tried to build that into it. I know, no, I know.

They have to hit. No, I know. If they don't, if they don't hit, that's different. Well, I was getting there. If you're just up there making black, saying shitty things about black people and they're not funny. Yeah, right. What I'm saying is, if it's a good joke. What I'm saying is, if, which all my black jokes do hit, however, let's say it does not hit.

By the time, the black person in the crowd that my black joke did not hit for, processes how shitty my black joke was. 19 other way worse goddamn things have happened to them, and it's not even on their fucking radar. They don't have the time that this white bitch has to be offended by. And I'm about to get an email about that. But I'm saying. I used to do this joke years ago about not allowing my white girlfriend to go to a black house party.

because I was just like She might not come back. Exactly. That was the whole, that was the whole premise of the joke. I was like, I was like, I was like fucking,

uh, you know, God damn it. Something. I don't know. I know what you're saying. And it already hits for me and I don't even know it. It's a good premise.

Like, that's white girl krypton night. You ain't, I was, I was like, yeah, for the record, just in case anyone listening is only focusing in on certain words there.

He means would leave him for a black, man. He does not mean be kidnapped by black men. Well, that's hilarious. I didn't even think that, but that's hilarious. I shouldn't have said that's hilarious. I was just like, R&B and Sorok,

that's white girl Krypton Night. You ain't going over there. What the fuck you're talking about? And I used to have a joke about that years ago. And I haven't done it. And I haven't done it forever. Yeah. And I did the, I do a black joke now.

I did this talk in fucking in Knoxville recently at UT because at colleges you do talks. Yeah. And after the talk, Drew was there. I was hanging out with just my Knoxville buddies, one of which is John, my black buddy. And he asked me, he was like, why don't you do that joke anymore? John John John John John's from Salina, John John John, John. He's fast as hell.

You don't say. But now, my other, my other. buddy John, who I worked with at the DOE in Knoxville, and he was asking me about, he was like, he was like, why would you tell that joke anymore? And I was just like, I don't know, man. I just like, it was doing other shit. And he was like,

that's his favorite of all of my jokes I've ever done was the joke I did about not allowing my white girlfriend to go to a black party because I knew. That's a black, it's a black positive joke. It's hugely bad positive.

We'll trap your white bitch. Are you kidding? Every black joke I've ever told has been black positive. It's been about how hard they hit. Right. But it's like, there's still, you know, technically racist. They're technically black jokes and how we sound. Yeah. Yeah.

And you can't do. Right. Bill Burk could tell these jokes and it would be fine. Which is weird because the Boston accent or be lumped into how lumped into racism as well. But like, we've got a black daughter. So I think that's probably. Yeah, but he ain't for years. He hasn't for years.

I'm with Coria. I'm a matter of fact, I'm saying that my man Bill Burr made the biggest play in the world. He got a black daughter. He got a black daughter. Yeah, exactly. But no, you're right. But like I'm saying, like, yeah. But if you say, you can just go up there and go, black people, and then blah, blah, blah.

The next couple things that come out of your mouth could be like, are the greatest people on earth? I appreciate Barack Obama, and I wish there was more of them. But all you're going to hear is black people, because our accent's the worst. Right. Well, specifically, white people are going to hear that. Right, exactly. Again, black people will listen to the whole joke. What's what I say?

Yeah, dude, I do all those fucking black people jokes with my accent. Or she said so eloquently multiple times now. White bitch. Right, exactly. I know exactly who's going to hear that. I'm going to go in and edit it. I'm not going to. I'm going to make it louder.

But yeah, no, I mean, no, I don't hit. But no, fucking, dude. black people or honestly any minority than i'm aware of they'll listen to what you actually say and if what you actually say is a is shitty or they'll tell you right exactly but not in a shitty they'll be like yo dog don't say that shit and if it's not then they roll with it and it's fine yeah but but white people the worst well take any opportunity to get offended on behalf of somebody else because again we can't get offended ourselves and there's not enough time in the day we have to get offended on behalf of somebody else it's

the only way it works and that shit don't hit no don't hit yeah drew do you have anything to add no okay well guys it's been a great episode we're only 40 minutes in that's fine let me tell you all this story that i've been forgetting to tell you all for two months but it's at least two. I think it's more like four. I've been waiting. I've been dying to hear this story for a while now. Well, you know what?

It kind of matches what we've been talking about. And I can't do it justice for a variety of reasons, a lot of which are related to, you know, the FCC. But I was at the quarry, for those of you who might be listening from a place that don't have quarries. A rock quarry is a place where they used to dig in earth

and take out rocks, often coal. no not usually coal i guess it'd be more like gravel because that'd be a cold it's gravel and a lot of times they'd just be a giant hole in earth and then they'd just fill it in with water and now you got a big swimming hole and it does hit yeah there's a there's one in Knoxville in a park called fort mee mee because there's a fort up on the hill from some battle fort me meed oh i thought you said fort mey so i was at the fort me quarry i was hanging out i just jumped in the water i got out my dog was there was playing with him andy was there she's proxie or whatever, you know, who knows.

Some dude who I see there every time I go was playing Sublime because, guys, I don't know if you know this. Yeah, I do. But Sublime is a big hit with the college kids literally forever now. No matter. It doesn't matter. Oh, for real? Like, even college kids right now they fuss with Sublime.

Santaria is a B-side. Okay. Was it Santeria? Yeah, he was 43 playing Santeria. Because you know what's funny about that? They think Santeria is like a, oh, no, I know what y'all think. Santa, this is a B-side, and I'm like, okay. So he was over there not practicing Santeria.

No, I did not know that, but that's cool, though. He did not have a crystal ball. Had he had a crystal ball, he might have predicted that some white trash bullshit was about to fucking go down. So there's this group of people, they're near the Santa Rica guy. They're hammered. There's an old boy who's like, not from the South, but probably from Florida because he's super white trash fitting in. He's got his bulldog on a chain.

He's telling her about how much he hits. No one's buying it. He sounds like he's from the South to me. Yeah, but he doesn't. He talks like this right here, and he's telling everybody how much he hits, and he's like 45 years old, and we're like, you don't hit. He had a bulldog going to chain. You just said from Florida with a bulldog on a chain.

Talking about everybody else don't hit. And I was like, yeah. North Florida. North Florida, yeah. This other dog comes by, and his dog smells it or whatever. This other dog just comes by. There's dogs everywhere. Was it you?

This goddamn swimming hole. Spoiler alert. Was this dog you? I was the oldest dog there. All right? It's fucking swimming hole in the south. There's dogs everywhere, right? Without a doubt.

It's also babies everywhere. That dog smells, he's like, He's like, hey, I don't know about that. You know, so the lady's like, okay, come here, dog, whatever. That dog goes down the edge of the water. This dude's down there talking to this girl. The dog, it's like a lab. It gets this little floaty in its mouth.

Looks like a little donut. Oh, God. A little baby donut. Oh, no. And it's like playing with it. He's flirting with the girl, and it's like the girl's dog. So he's waving it in front of the dog. He's laughing.

He's laughing. I hear. just like the most southern mama, like most distinct, hey, God damn it. What are you doing? It's to him, right? He looks at her,

and she goes, what are you doing on my daughter's floatie and that dog? He's going to bite a hole in it. And he goes, huh? But he's drunk, and he's an asshole. You'll find out soon. And she goes,

give me the fucking floatie. And he looks, at her and his face changes and he throws it knowing that the dog, like he looks at the dog like let's play chess. Like a frisbee. So he throws it like a frisbee. The dog takes off, grabs it in his mouth, and shit starts going down. This fucking 250-pound tattooed lesbian starts coming at him.

I was about to say that voice was a little deep. I was... Motherfucker. She is in his app. Why the fuck would you do that? What the fuck is wrong with you? From the other direction, her girl. Excuse me, wife is coming out of the lake coming at the girl.

The girl, to her credit, really, didn't do anything wrong. She was laughing. The guy was playing around. It's her dog, but she didn't ask him to do that. She didn't know who's fucking floaty it was. The little girl, a little mixed girl, right? She's half black and half white. This is important.

It's going to come in there in just the second. It's sitting there about to cry. They're fighting in stereo. I got a lesbian walking towards me and this guy cussing him out. He's a dickhead. I got a lesbian coming out of the water cussing the girl. girl out whose dog it was, the girl's kind of being nice about it. That fight dissipates.

Now these are happening at the same time. Because the girl who owned the dog was mostly sweet, that fight has dissipated. But the fucking dickhead, who's drunk, who threw the thing, he ain't having and all. And not only is he not having it, he's truly a piece of shit. Now, when I say truly a piece of shit, you've got to

understand, I'm at the Fort Meekoreen South Knoxville, all right? It's working class folk. It's poor folk, for you to make everyone there mad immediately, you really got to be on some shit. As this fight progresses in their arguing, and she's

like, why the fuck would you do that? He's like, I don't fucking know. What was I supposed to do? And she's like, first of all, don't play with a little kid's toy. Why the fuck would you even pick it up? It's not yours. And I'm like, that's a pretty phenomenal point. I wonder what he's going to sow back to that. And what he says back to that is, whose kid? That's your kid? How the

fuck did you have a kid? I know your fat-ass wife didn't get you fucking pregnant. Who was it? Probably some motherfucker named Jamal, right? Also a fair point. In her ass about that. Lord. You can't get pregnant. Then he starts saying to her, your fat bitch wife

can't get you pregnant. You ain't no man. You ain't no man. You ain't no man. Oh, here it comes. Then her friend gets in on it. She's like, I'm a whip your ass. And she's like, I'm going to whip your fucking ass. Dude. Come over here. I'll whip your ass.

I'm a man. Y'all can't whip my ass. Men can do shit y'all can't do. Like whip your ass and get you fucking pregnant. Get the fuck out of who you goddamn dykes. Just like fucking going off. I'm watching all of this. I'm like, what the fuck? And then this

motherfucking old boy, neck tattoo, Mountain Dew's shirt. He is dragging his kids out of the goddamn water, putting their clothes on them, and packing their bag while he cusses this motherfucker out. The dude.

God damn. God damn, son. Are you fucking shit in me right now. I got my goddamn kids down here. Trying to have a good fucking time. It is 2018. You can't fucking treat people like this. Well, now everybody there is on this

dude's team. You got people smoking weed. You got the Mexicans coming around. Like, Fah, let's do this. Like, everyone's like You got the Mexicans coming around. I had no the Mexicans was there. Yeah, they came out of the water. Yeah, they were. Hell yeah, they just got off work, man. They had to fucking, you know. All right.

He's cussing him out. He's going, then he starts shitting. He starts shitting on his friends. He's like, all y'all should be ashamed of yourself. You came here with this piece of shit, and the dude's like trying to bow up. Don't bow up on me, boy. I'll whip your ass. I'll whip all their ass and I know I'll be able to.

You know how? Because you're not a fucking man. None of you are fucking men. If my friend came down here and acted like that, it is 2018. Just leave people alone. Just let them be, buddy, I'm about to preach. I'm about to raise an offer. Just leave people alone.

It's unbelievable. Why? This guy. tour with us. He says. Oh, here it comes. Oh, my God. You're like a bunch of goddamn in words.

Oh, no. And he said it. But he sucked it. Even the old boy who was calling everybody, Docs was like, oh, man, that ain't it. Well, damn, we took a turn. Wait, what?

He called up. This guy that's been hitting for us this whole time. Yes, it is an emotional roller coaster. Drew, this don't hit. No, this don't know. I mean, well, no, you've earned it. I mean, well, that you've earned it. I felt exactly how Penn State fans felt for the first time at my God.

This man was my hero. And he's dragging his kid away, and everyone got quiet, and he knows that he could read the room. He could read the room. That's the only thing, I think, but yes. That's a lame thing of, like, he says something like, I guess we're not supposed to say that anymore. We're not allowed to say that word. We've got to say trash. That don't mean black people, and then he doubles down.

I'll tell you what N-word means. It means shitty person. That's what y'all are. That's why I say all y'all. and then he says it again. Good Lord. Triple down. He's leaving.

Like he's dragging his kids out as he screams it. And then everyone who got in the fight, including the lesbians, were just like, they just like looked at each other and we're just like, I guess none of this is worth it. And the shitty dude kind of goes back to his friend. The dude with the dog goes off telling everybody, I just want y'all know he ain't my friend right in front of the guy. I just want y'all, I didn't come with him.

I didn't come with him. lesbians are packing up one lesbian goes over to that girl and is like are you going to pay for my shit and the girl's like do i have venmo of course these are the white trash south knox for lesbians are like what the fuck is venmo bitch give me cash i'll be waiting on you in the parking lot and then it was over and i'm looking at and we're stoned we got stoned with this dude who anyway i'm just like was that real what just happened you just made me sad it was almost the best day of my life at the quarry yeah and it ended up being i think I think... You did find out that the N-word is worse than the word Dike. I can't help but... I mean, want to try to defend that old boy. And like...

My son, it ain't it. I know that his dad told him that and meant something decent at one point, but that ain't it. You were saying he was trying to make the point. He was like, oh, you can't, like... That ain't racial. It don't mean nothing racial. I don't mean to piece of shit. I'm not talking about what it.

means that you're the worst person. Like I want, I so badly want to believe that in that guy's heart, he was trying to be good. He's taken up for gay people. Right. That's what I'm saying. In college, when race came up when I was on the football team. There's such things as white. Every person who made that argument as I grew up and grew as a person and, like, became, you know, an adult.

and they did two. You know, they were just racist. That's how it was. And then they had the good ones thing. That's all that argument is, is the non-inwards are the good ones. So no, first of all. I've been around old boys like him before. It was lesbians.

I don't think it would have happened if it was too gay. No, it wouldn't have. I agree with that. Old boys are, like, quick to defend lesbians because, like, you know, they end up being... That's not in the Bible. Well, they end up being cops. So they have You know what I'm saying?

Mr. Also, it just hits for them. It doesn't. What, did they hit? A couple of them did. Okay. Yeah. All right.

No, it does it. Two out of the three ain't bad. Right. It's like meatloaf said. Yeah, exactly. But, and the other one was meatloaf. Three lesbians. Yeah.

Oh, fuck. All right. That story had an all right. That story had an. Mark. That was great. Well, anyway,

I've been getting to tell you all that. And the day it happened, I wanted to call you all so bad. I'm being honest with you,

dude. I'm conflicted. I am too. Like, if you'd have been there, you wouldn't have been in trouble. I mean,

you're probably right. It was a hard. But I'm saying because of like, I, you got to understand. The room is what, I feel like that guy.

I feel like he was trying to make the right. He would. No, he was trying. He just failed. Well, also his heart ain't right.

Like, he was trying and his heart went in the right place. I'm telling you, he read the room and then like realize what he had done. That word came out completely naturally. But I just don't understand. Well, no shit. That word came out completely

natural. Well, buddy, I just don't understand how though you could be like, you could very, very, very passionately come to the defense of a homosexual couple and talk and, and say the words, just 2018.

And then in the middle of that, Be like, you know what yuns are? A bunch of goddamn. Like, it's wild to me. I know. I'm saying, It came from his heart. His heart are.

His heart are. But don't feel bad, because two out of three ain't bad. I just hope that little girl got a new floaty, man. I hope she got a new dad. Yeah. she had three moms that would even mean trying to hit

well I think she had two moms and an auntie who was about to whip his ass that's one two three marlinas that song was about we don't hit we don't hit at night bye y'all schooke

2018 god damn it puke Thank you all for listening to the well-read show We'd love to stick around longer But we got to go Tune in next week if you got nothing to do Thank you God bless you good night and skew