wellRED podcast - A Talk w/Member of Trump's Faith Council and Christian Nationalist Jackson Lahmeyer

Episode Date: February 18, 2026

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I'm going to ask you a question. Fundamentalist Christians because I've... You're in a room full of fundamentalist Christians. A room full of them. What's going to happen to you? Huh? Oh, well, no. In a Christian nation, you're in a room full of fundamentalist.

To him, nothing. He's white. also aged out of getting raped by his pastor but well there is that but i and i're the they're the railroad necks day like cornbread but sex they care way too much but don't give a fun they're the next that makes some people upset but they got three big old dicks that you can suck well here we are listen very quick preamble that's all we got for this part of the show because we got a very interesting conversation with an interesting to say the least, guests got a wild request Corey did for a guest on the show and hey,

we're open-minded here. We're open to all kinds. So this week, pretty different coming up to you right now is an interview with Jackson Lawmeyer, who is the founder of pastors for Trump and one of the main members of the White House Faith Council and a bunch of other Jesus. I'm not going to say Jesus-y, Christian nationalistic stuff by his own admission. So here he is, Jackson Lawmire, and we'll be back after this interview. So see you then.

our guest, as we sort of alluded to. In the intro there, our guest is Jackson Lawmire. Am I saying that right? Lawmire. You are. You're on point. Oh, shit. I went Laymire. I was wrong. Ah, come on. Jackson Lawmire, who is a key member of the White House Faith Council and is the founder of pastors for Trump,

the lead pastor of Sheridan Church in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and the author of a new book chasing after the wind. So we were looking through your bio, and you're not like the typical guests we have on here. We don't even always have guests on this show. but not our normal fare, but in looking at the bio, it looks like you've been speaking out

against platform culture lately, in part in the book and otherwise. And I thought, my co-host there, Drew, has been on that same, same, he's been beating that same, what do they say?

Beating the same drum? There you go. It's a drum. You wanted to say horse. I know, the horse isn't dead yet, so you don't beat it until it's dead. Anyway.

way. So we thought we'd start with that if you give us your perspective on platform culture and the issues therein or thereof. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, we live in a world that is so filtered, right? We live in a world where it's like everything's fake, you know? It's, and then you're one way on stage, one way off stage, one way on social media, a completely different way off social media. And I wish I could figure out a way to be that. I think my friends that have to deal with me in real life would be appreciative if who I was on stage wasn't who I was in person. But go on. Well, for most people, let me say.

They're living two very different lives. And unfortunately, with that, you know, I'm going to speak from, you know, the church world per se. You see a lot of pastors and preachers, right? They have a persona, and they hold that persona up for 20 years, and then all of a sudden the scandal hits, right? And it's like, oh, man, this guy was doing. Like your Kenneth Copeland, you know, all those types of dudes. And then it hurts the people who were listening to that person, who were following that person. It hurts their trust in, you know, the church damages their relationship with God because they thought that was God's representative, you know.

That's how I felt about Kevin Spacey, dude. So like, I totally understand. And this happens in all spheres, whether it's entertainment, politics, you know, you know, you know, with Kevin Spacey, his nickname like Kevin, you know, don't rate me Spacey or something like that. Isn't that kind of the... That's a good one. So it's just, when you live a fake life, the walls eventually come tumbling down and it damages more than just you, the people that trusted you or followed you or whatever it may be. And so I think there needs to be a real shift within the digital social media world of us coming back to more often.

authenticity, maybe some vulnerability. We take, you know, 55 pictures, pick the best one out of the 55, then highly filter it before we post it. And then we're envious of other people that are living fake lives as well. And then we try to compete with someone's fake life by living our own fake life. So none of us are really living. That's really true. I am envious of people live in a fake life that feels almost freeing sometimes. that is something that I can definitely see being an issue across the board in politics. You also say it's a problem in ministry. Is that something that you've had to face yourself, like with people that you followed or something? Or is that just like generally you're looking out at the atmosphere and noticing it? No, I mean, it's obviously general, but it's also been my own journey. You know, I became a pastor, very young.

I was 25 years old. Hence why I wrote the book, Divided. I kind of share my own story of living two lives thinking I had to be perfect in order to be a pastor, yet I definitely was not perfect even though I was a pastor. And then seeing people that I looked up to who were in ministry. And 25, so you didn't know what I knew? I mean, I knew nothing at all, you know. And now I look back and I say, I can't believe people will listen to me.

I can't believe people listen to me now, let alone when I was 25 years old. And so, but then I saw other. pastors or church leaders that I looked up to, right, as a young, as a young guy. And then they kind of have their fall. And I'm looking at myself like, I don't want to be that one day. I don't want to do this for my entire life and end up with that disaster at the end of my ministry run. Listen, nobody starts in ministry with the goal.

I want to do this for 30 years. And then at the very end, I want to do. have a major scandal that ruins it all. Nobody starts like that. Nobody goes into a marriage saying, you know what I want? I want to be married to this girl for 20 years. And then on year 21, I just want to have a disastrous divorce where I lose everything and pay her alimony. Nobody starts like that. But it does happen. Yeah. And so I that was for me, that was kind of the wake up call. I don't want that. You know, that's not how I want to end. But on that note of like, yeah, 30 years, a major scandal. comes out. That's just when it came out, not when it started. Do you, I mean, I think we can all agree,

though, there has to be some pastors who do go, I'm going into ministry to make money. Oh, there's that. And you know what I mean? Which like, that's why there was the scandal. You know what I'm saying? Like I don't, because I don't believe everybody gets into it for the right reason and then gets corrupted. I know that happens. But I definitely believe there are some people who are like, you know, I try to open mics and I was funny enough, but I bet I could, you know, really go with the church crowd because they like it clean and stupid, you know. So my second question for you, Jackson, is, are you familiar with us or this show or me or anything about that?

Yeah, well, whenever I was told that I was coming on, I went and watched some of your stuff previously just so I kind of knew the Lions den that I might be walking into. Yeah, the Lions if Lions were a bunch of gay wads, right? It's a three gay wad lines. No, dude, I want to be a gay lion. Okay. So, well, look, in that case, really, Respect, you know. We were afraid you didn't know. We didn't want to answer with you. We were like, all right, well, let's. We're, that's not. This show, half the time we don't even talk about politics or certainly religion or any of that. And we don't do like gotcha stuff or anything like that at all. So we were like, if he wants to come on, we'll talk to him. But if he doesn't know the deal, we're not trying to blindside anybody either. So I wanted to make. No, I'm easier. So, all right, well, I respect. So the first thing I want to ask you about that's relevant to both, though, is more in your world, but religion and politics is they're intertwined today. A thing. I

So seeing people talking about is the idea of, like, toxic empathy, which is that I've seen some people on the Christian right saying this, you know, empathy is being co-opted by progressives to take advantage of Christian compassion in a way that's, you know, corrupt or whatever. But to me, that seems like it's just trying to preempt the argument of, hey, like, you know, Jesus was a big end to empathy and caring about people is a good thing and not, you know, the work. of the devil, but you can't, it's hard to like reconcile that with seeing, you know, people that say the progressive saying those types of things when you don't agree with them politically. So now you have to say that empathy's toxic. Like, that's how it seems to me. And I don't know where you're at on all that, but I'd be curious to hear it. Yeah, I think the best advice I ever got was from a pastor who wasn't 25. He was like 85. And he said to me, they shouldn't be doing it either for the record. I think 25 bad, 85 bad.

You know, I want like a 52-year-old who, you know, he's got it all here, but he's had some life experience. Yeah, I'm not 52 yet. I'm getting there, though. I'm getting there. I've had a lot of life experience, though, as you can imagine, being a pastor starting at 25. Right. But, you know, I was told this, I'm speaking on behalf of Christians, okay? What should be our, I think that was your question, what should be our approach?

and we are to be moved by compassion as Christians, but we are not to be led by compassion. One of our greatest assets as Christians is that we are called to love. One of our worst things that we can do is be taken advantage of or also what you would call enabling is because we love. And that's who we are. That's what we're called to do. We're not to be led by compassion. We're to be led by the spirit of God.

And so we're moved by compassion for sure. But you cannot be led by it. Have you told Trump that? I know that y'all speak about God. Like, if you told him about the whole compassion thing? Because that would, you know, I'm just saying you got a direct line. Of course. That'd be pretty cool.

I'm going to tell you that. Why didn't he listen? Trump is one of the most generous as well as compassionate people I have ever met. I've gotten annoying. And I know his family. To you. Very well. President Trump is in the role.

of the president of the United States. He is not the pastor of the United States of America. He has a particular role in position, and that is to be the head of our civil government. The Bible defines the role of civil government as to punish evil doers and to protect good citizens. That's the role of government, according to the Bible, is to punish evildoers and to put fear in those who do wrong. That's what the Bible says is the role of civil government. So when Donald Trump carries out justice... They were speaking about the Romans, though, right? No, he was just speaking the role...

God created civil government. God's the inventor of civil government, so he defines the purpose of civil government. And the role of civil government is to wield the sword on behalf of God. Civil government is God's means of justice here on the earth. That it is the civil government that wields the sword on behalf of God against evil doers. So when Donald Trump brings about law and order, he is fulfilling the biblical role for civil government. That's why me as a pastor have no problem with it, because he's doing what he is supposed to do.

That is not my job as a pastor. I'd be vigilante justice. My job as a pastor is to serve the needs of people and meet them where they are spiritually speaking. But that is not the president's job. Do you think that either through President Trump or a future president that we will see any of that justice when it comes to the people in the Epstein files? I sure hope so. I sure hope so. Obviously, you know, we've only, what was it, they released half of it or don't hold me? 1.5%. I don't know. He don't know. Don't listen to him.

He don't know. I don't know what that's. That's what it was like, that's what it was like a month ago because I remember thinking that's a wild member. But no, they've released more since then. So obviously, in my opinion, and you know, I'm not the president. I'm not, that's not who I am. In my opinion, I think the best move is to just release it all. I understand the implications of what it could mean economically. I think that is the kind of the big concern behind it. But in regards to justice, I would say, yeah, that's the role of the civil government. Is those who have been abused and misused is the role of civil government to hold those evil doers responsible.

So, yeah, that's my take on it. That's what I would hope to see. That's what I'd like to see. Two things. First of all, I pray every day that that is what happens. Corey was right. Is it? And apologize to Corey.

I did a quick check on my phone. Between 1% and 2% is what they think has been. 1.5. Oh, okay. Which would be? Sorry, my bad. My bad. 1.5 to Corey there.

This guy knew the actual stat. I was just thought. I was like, you know, I don't know how much. I take five shits a day. You know what I mean? I'm seeing headlines. Drew, I thought you were going somewhere else with that,

or not with that, but afterwards, after that. Oh, no, I apologize. I just was going to say that I, I mean,

I hope so too. I mean, I think that there's the, he's just really blown away that I was right about something. You do need to give him a minute. That's true. I had to take a moment.

I just think that it's worth noting or worth saying that as we hope for that, you know, it's full of people in the government. The files are full of name. of people in the government, we're asking the government to take accountability for itself. I did have one question I wanted to ask you. Is my dad a demon? Can you elaborate on that a little bit?

No, it's just that you have in the past called Democrats demons, and I just want to know my dad was a demon. That was a piece from the Rolling Stone. That was a piece from the Washington Post that took something I said about democratic policy being demonic. So as an end. individual Democrat, a demon? No, I mean, there might be some Democrats that are possessed by a demon, but I don't believe that all Democrats are possessed by demons. Jody, I don't want to think about her anymore, but that makes me feel bad. His dad's a pastor, by the way. But that is a pastor, yeah. I don't know if he is a Democrat. I just know he voted for them for a long time because of unions. But those are dead now. I did have another question I wanted to ask you, and this is a genuine question. I'm not trying to play a

Gotcha. I'm genuinely curious about it. This question is about Israel. Do you mind if we talk about that? Oh, yeah, absolutely. You said at another interview, you paraphrased Paul, and you said that Paul said that he was willing to go to hell for Israel. Is that, I mean, first of all, did I get that right? I don't want to, like, misquote you or Paul. When you define Israel, does that mean a secular government? No. What Paul was referring to there was his Jewish brothers and sisters, those who were Jews is what he's referring. He wasn't referring to a government. In our world, what we've done is we've conflated when we say Israel people think secular government.

Yeah, I agree with that. When Paul says Israel, he's speaking of a people that he was, he was Israel, part of Israel. He was a Jew. So when Paul says Israel, he's referring to Jewish people, not necessarily. referring to a state that we see today. Right. So I agree with you. That would have been a wild prediction if he was talking about a thing that didn't exist until after Mickey Mouse, you know. Yeah, on both your notes, I agree with that. So how do you separate that for yourself at this?

Like, I mean, do you support, so you support your Jewish brothers, as Paul did, I assume based upon that, what you just said. You seem to support Israel. as well. Oh, yeah, no. Is that a biblical in your heart or mind? Is that a biblical instruction is what led to that support, or is it just how policy has laid out current?

Do you understand what I'm asking? Oh, I totally understand what you're asking. So it's both. For me, it's both biblical as well as politically advantageous for America. So my politics is America first, nationalist over globalist. That's my politics. So some people will say, well, how does supporting the state of Israel put America? I would ask that.

Yeah. It was the question, how does supporting, how can you say you support the state of Israel? But you just told me your politics is, you know, America first, nationalists, not globalists, all that kind of stuff. And so my vantage point, the greatest threat to Western civilization historically and still today is Islam. It's the greatest threat that Western civilization has ever faced, is facing, and will continue to face. It is Islam. And Israel stands as, I don't want to say, a obstacle, but Israel stands as a speed bump. Landlord.

A bulwark. Whatever terminology you want to use. To Islam in regards to the West. So there are political national security interests by having a strong Israel. in the Middle East because Islam, the hotbed, is the Middle East. I mean, you guys know that. There's 56, 57 Islamic countries, and they're primarily centered. They surround a piece of land.

It's not a hotbed. It just happens to be a place where most of the people practice that faith. I think if you call America a hotbed for, you know, right-wing Christian white supremacist nationalism, it would be true. I wouldn't say that at all. but we're a hotbed for it. We're a hotbed. Let me tell you something. This is a much better bed to sleep in over here in America than in the Middle East.

All right. The white one? Well, I couldn't agree. I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. I wasn't just trying to like put you on front street or your heels or anything. I had a genuine question. You know, it's it's a hotbed for Islam.

It's just, it's just an Islamic. I mean, that's just what those people practice. You know, you calling it a hotbed. I mean, like I said, that it implies like a certain amount of, you know, it's just a hotbed. of, I mean, I think negativity. Very much so. No, I meant it to be to be negative. I thought so. I just wanted to. No, I wasn't trying to be positive there.

Right. Sure. Right. But my question to you is Islam. Do they contribute to, I think it's somewhere between 75% or 80% of our political PACs and or politicians in this country? Have they spent billions of dollars? Have they directed both conservatives and liberal Democrats on what to vote and how. I mean, I'm just wondering how they're probably don't want my honest take on that, but I just know I generally want to know how they're more of a threat to the American experiment than APEC and Israel. I mean, I genuinely would like to hear you listen that. Historically speaking, there's been no greater threat than Islam to our way of life. Islam and Western civilization. But you have to say how or why. You can't just say that. I'm asking how are they more of a threat. And the people who are genuinely trying to buy our government. I have two degrees in church history. So I'm very familiar when I say to the past threat. Let me tell you something.

And Islam, when it first came out of the backside of the desert, it spread like wildfire in regards to bloodshed and conquest and took over the Middle East very quickly. Then major parts of what is modern day Turkey. then also some parts of Europe, including Spain. And if it wasn't for some great Christian men who fought the good fight, we would be speaking Arabic today. The Crusades.

Crusades were absolutely needed. If it wasn't for the Crusades, you wouldn't be on this podcast. You'd be speaking Arabic, praying five times a day facing Mecca. So you're saying, if I'm just so I'm clear, though, you're saying that Islam is a threat to America because it spread like wildfire into Turkey thousands of years ago. And APEC is not a threat to America? Islam

has always been a threat to Western civilization, America, being a new entity in regards to Western, newer entity of Western civilization. You call maybe the climax of Western civilization. Yeah, Islam is a

massive threat. How is more of a threat than APEC and the Israel state that is trying to... How is it not? How is it not? Yeah. Well, I've noticed, though, that when Islam, you know, one difference, I suppose, between the two is like, it seems like, you know, there's a big terrorist attack, maybe every big one, every, you know, 10, 15, 20 years or whatever. Of course, we all remember 9-11. That's our favorite one. And, but it seems, though, that that came on the hills of us fucking with them. You know what I mean? Like, that's like, you kind of, you go, oh, I can't believe they did this to us. Then you remember what we did to them in the years prior. And you go, right, okay, 10. for tat, you know what I'm saying? And then 9-11 happens, we go over,

we invade Iraq and Iran, even though the threat was not even there. We make up a bunch of bullshit about WMDs. And then those kids see their parents get bombed, and those kids grow up and start a new Taliban called ISIS. And I, dude, fuck ISIS, fuck any terrorist group.

But you got to at least go, well, I get why you'd be mad. You know what I mean? I understand that. It seems if we stop fucking with them, they wouldn't come over here. That argument. you would have to take all the way back 1,400 years. And so if we're going to use that argument, we must go all the way back 1,400 years.

And the original antagonist for perpetrator was Islam. So if that's the argument that we want to use, is that one generation saw another generation. So attack from another generation, you have to historically take that all the way back. And the aggressor to begin was a, Islam. That's an undisputable fact. And so one generation saw it. Another. So that's that argument. I don't think it works. Well, that was not that we've exited the age of empires necessarily, but 1400 years

ago, every civilization that could attempt it was trying to spread out and kill the people next door and take their land and all that stuff. And it was like the age of conquest and everything. And they, you know, the two ran into each other, Christianity and Islam. To be clear, because I've said it for years on this show. Like, I'm not down with like any religion really. And for me, that includes Islam. I'm not your typical leftist in that way. I don't. Like, I think that as long as you're peaceful and cool about it, if that's what you want to believe, I'm fine with that. But like, fundamentalist Islam, I have some serious problems with a lot of things about it. But I, but I feel the same way about fundamentalist Christianity. And I've just felt, you know,

compare that to. Well, no, look, I'm not going to do that either. I'm not going to do that. I'm not saying that. I'm going to ask you a question. Fundamentalist Christians because I've... You're in a room full of fundamentalist Christians. A room full of them. What's going to happen to you? Huh?

Oh, well, no. In a Christian nation, you're in a room full of fundamentalist. To him, nothing. He's white. Well, he's also aged out of getting raped by his pastor, but... Well, there is that. But I didn't ever had that. But no, they've just been, you know, my uncle's gay.

As a kid, I was told he's burning in hell, that type of thing. You've been made to, like, blessed. the broccoli casserole to potluck where I don't, you know, I feel out of place. And then they turn around and tell me that they're the ones that are persecuted because I don't agree with them, even though I didn't say shit about it.

So it's more of an annoying level. But it's talking about your gay uncle. Yes, fundamentalist is Islamist, especially the most hardcore ones. What is a fundamentalist do to your gay uncle in an Islamic country? Bro, killing with rocks, motherfucker. I know that.

I'm not arguing any of that. Yeah. I'm not arguing any of that. Because they actually read and follow their book. Again, my, only position on pretty much any religion has been like, if you keep it to yourself, you can believe what you want to believe. Don't try to tell me to believe it. Don't try to tell other people to believe it. I know Islam doesn't do that. I'm not okay with them

not doing that. Islam is a political ideology. It's called Sharia. Bro, you're like a pre-aocratic Christian nationalist, aren't you? Like self-professed? Well, listen, I'm a Christian, yes. And I already said it to you guys. I already said I'm a nationalist. Right. So that's, so your version of Christianity, seems political to me. No, I happen to be a Christian that is involved in politics. And because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I can't be involved in politics.

Well, I've heard that. The challenge here is that you are part of Trump's advisory board. You founded this program. I had the name written down. Pastors for Trump. Probably is what you were heard. You have, I think, monthly meetings at the White House in terms of prayer and all that. And I think

that there's two ways we could go about this. And we could argue over whether or not you have the right or anyone should have the right to do that in terms of the First Amendment. Or we could talk about what we've gotten in the weeds on now, which is like you're essentially asking, well, who would you rather do it? But as part of that conversation, you seem to now be going into like, wait, wait, wait, wait, they are a, they're a political philosophy, Sharia law. but then like kind of kowtowing around the fact that you you also espouse those same views. I mean, to be a Christian nationalist, unless your definition is different than the one I know, does that not mean that you believe that we should be, if not are, a Christian nation? We are a Christian nation. We are founded as a Christian nation.

No, we were not. We were not founded as a Christian nation. I know you've gone to your school. I know you've gone to your school. Before we do that, I do that, I do. want someone to answer my question without us getting in the weeds, Corey, please. I understand that you believe we were found that as a Christian nation, but what I'm trying to get at is this issue of that is inherently a political philosophy to be a Christian nationalist. Well, my definition of Christian national is probably not the same as what the mainstream media is. I'm a Christian first. I submit to Jesus before I submit to any earthly,

entity but i am an american citizen and my politic is america first or maga or what a conservative whatever whatever uh brand you would want to use but i'm a christian and i'm a nationalist and so they call me a christian nationalist uh but i i don't see the conflict i mean you did tweet that you were right for i guess that um more than implies i think but you can correct me if i'm that among the things you're for, do you think, for example, that gay marriage should be outlawed? And if so, do you think that because of your faith? Of course. Everything that I do is I'm guided by my faith.

I don't check my faith out whenever I look at my politics, right? Right. So you're talking about. Corey, God damn, man, please. Okay, go ahead. It's totally you're right. to feel that way. Of course.

And it's totally your right to speak about it. And to advocate for it. That's the beautiful thing about our republic. I don't think in advocating for it, you can pretend like it's somehow different than Islamic fundamentalism outside of. You can highlight the differences in the faith, but you can't, you can't, because you threw it as an aspersion. I mean, you absolutely threw it as an dispersion. You were like, well, that's not a faith. That's a political philosophy.

I said it is not a meal. religion. It's not a mere religion. You know, you are no longer practicing a mere religion if you believe that in this country we should outlaw what? I very much am. If you believe in this country that we should outlaw gay marriage because your faith informs that, you're no longer practicing a mere religion. I don't know if my faith informs it as much as maybe just sheer biology.

Maybe I could say I'm a biologist or that informs that. Well, you can't just say you're a biologist if you're not. Do you have a biology? I mean, I took a class of biology. I went to university. Okay. I mean, I can define a woman. I can define a woman.

Okay. That's cool. Not what we're talking about. I think, do I want to not support gay marriage simply because I'm a Christian? Well, that's part of it. The other part is there are things that you could point to as just biology as maybe a reason why. But I'm not trying to challenge your belief necessarily. I mean, I will if we want to get into that.

What I'm trying to challenge is this notion that when you carry that with you in your political platform, that you're still merely a Christian. I mean, no. I don't get that either. I definitely entered into the world that you were throwing at the Islamic fundamentalist when you said it's not merely a religion. There's a political philosophy. It is a dangerous one. You are also practicing a political philosophy. I assume you don't think it's a dangerous one.

I get that. Of course not. I wouldn't practice it. You're separating yourself from them. You can't separate yourself in the sense that you are someone who is trying to take what your faith informs as far as your view of the world and then make that in the policy. Are you not? Right. Every group has an agenda. Right. That they want to see put forth.

You were the one who said as an accusation. Christian. I want to see certain policies that are obviously informed by my Christian faith. but my Christian faith doesn't hinge upon having a Christian government. The Islamic faith hinges upon Sharia law. I mean, that's false. I mean, that's like, that's like taking a Baptist and then saying that's how all Christians are. I mean, I recognize there are people of the Islamic faith who feel the way that you just espouse,

but there are literally millions who don't. I mean, there are dozens, if not more, countries that are predominantly of the Islamic faith that do not have an Islamic government. I was just reading about Indonesia the other day because I found out Jakarta was sinking, and I just thought that was cool. And then I, I mean, that's just wild. The city's speaking. We just took a turn there. Yeah. We didn't get mad at me for turning left when you've been turned right all day.

I mean, don't get mad at me for turning left when you've been turned right all day. Listen, we are coming up. We said we were going to do like 30 minutes. We're coming up on it. We've been all over the place and we can keep going. No, no, it's not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, one very quick, uh, question. You're the lead pastor of the Sheridan church in Tulsa.

That is absolutely his fault. Go ahead, though, Trey. No, it's my. You're the lead pastor of the Sheridan church in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Did you guys name that after Taylor Sheridan, after Tulsa King was a big hit? Is that? No, I know. This church.

This shirt's been around 75 years. Yeah, I know. That was purely a joke. I just figured probably a big Taylor Sheridan fan. Yeah. So nothing spiritual. Nothing spiritual about it. We're just on a street that happens to be called Sheridan.

All right. Well, listen, and you know, just an interest of fairness as with any guest. I mean, hey, you know, plug your book, man, plug your, plug your stuff. Absolutely. Yeah. Website is Jackson Lawmire.com. All the links to social media. stuff where you can read my great tweets like some of you guys have quoted today.

Thanks for highlighting some of my my good tweets. Those are all Jackson Lawmeyer.com. You can find them there. Books are on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Target, all the different places like that. And guys, I appreciate you having me on and really had a good time. I went by much faster. It sure did. I realized.

But thanks for having me on, guys. All right. Thank you, Jackson Lawmeyer. Next time you're talking to Trump, Telling that Jesus would prefer not for him to rape children and cover up for people who do. It didn't say it all in the Bible, but I think the subtext, you know what I'm doing. So, all right. Have a good one.

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Rocketmoney.com slash well-read. Okay. Well, Jop, I'm pretty, that's about kind of how I thought that would go. I knew it would sort of be all over the, I knew there'd be no way to really get too far into any of it. I mean, again, I feel like that's kind of what I always have,

because Drew, as soon as he said that about it, being a political, I thought, I said, I was like, dude, you're a theeocrat. And like, you, right, exactly. And even though you broke it down the way you did, and I'm sitting here going like, yeah, right. Yeah, how is that any different? But he's just like, well, it just is.

And that's just how that always goes. Do you know what I mean? We all agree. You know what I mean? To make him go. Well, no, you're right. Divided to like talking points. You know, like I can define a woman.

And it was like, well, congratulations. Yeah, that part was funny. Because we literally had a misdicrat, not thesaurus. But it's hard for me on a personal level. I'm sitting here like I have some things I want to say. Some of them are I think insulting. They would be insulting to almost anyone. And I don't want to like, you know, we had that interview and then we come over here and we talk shit on him and don't give him a chance to defend himself or whatever.

But I do think I can say because everyone just listen to it. And if he listens back and hears me say this, I have no qualms about it. Jackson, you can you can text me or whatever. You can email me. I'm fine with that. He definitely was adept at dodging, you know, sort of the heart of our questions and then just trying to get it back to these sort of typical talking points that I assume he thought we'd jump on.

Like be angry about? And I don't necessarily blame him for that. You know, what he knew or seemed to have known about us was that we were on the left or whatever and that was about it. But that made for an odd interview. The thing that I think is insulting that I thought, I don't think that guy's got the juice, man. And what I mean by that is, and again, I'm just going to say it. I would have said it in front of him, but we were all talking circles.

I don't, I think that that guy has an amount of sincerity in terms of what he believes. But I think that he looks at this book and meeting with Trump and having a platform online as this sort of way to just build his brand. And he was trying, I think he was trying to do that. I think trying to get back to those talking points about can you define. find a woman, Islam is the biggest threat to the Western civilization without even engaging in what we were saying was just someone trying to like get clips or whatever. And as someone who's done that, as someone who's done that before, like I get it. And that's what he was trying to do.

But it wasn't there. He is great at shifting, but he's not good at getting the clips. We didn't even yell at each other. And mind you. Me and Corey yelled at them. And mind you, he said all of this after this long soliloquy on how platforming is bad. Yeah, that part, you know what I mean? That was the very first question, which we'd like agreed on.

But then we didn't even, we kind of just let that go, sort of. And then it, you know, heated up from there. But also, I just want to say, put him aside. Corey, like, super apologized, man, for immediately shooting you down on that statistic. I can tell you exactly why I did that. on a recent episode It sounds like it wouldn't be right Well on a recent episode of Weekly

Skews I asked Mark Yes I'm going to throw Mark under the bus here I didn't use any numbers or anything But I asked Mark I was like I was like but isn't it true that like This is just like a tiny You know subset of the Epstein files And they're all redacted

And so there's still tons of shit The assumption being we haven't seen all the The stuff that really matters or whatever Like isn't that the case here And he didn't like again He didn't use numbers or anything, but he kind of just, I felt shot down or I felt as though I had been told I was wrong. So when you said 1.5, I was like, well, I know that's wrong because Mark

told me I was wrong. So really, it was Mark. If Mark said it, I think I need to look more into whatever I pulled up. I was about saying that. He's going to say that I, that he's going to say that I'm wrong about saying that he said that. But that's how I felt. But I could have just been done. For the record, no apology needed because I practice this. If I think a thing and then if I say a thing and then Mark says the other thing, I even tend to go, well, Mark's right. You know what I mean? So like, yeah, I get it. And it did seem

like I just randomly threw that number. But it's because I read that shit. Like, I mean, you know, I do read and can, you know. I also wanted to ask him about like Tala Rico and stuff too, but like again that 30 minutes went by so fast, which I'm not surprised.

And I apologize if I'm the reason why. I just, I don't. I really don't like when people try to, like, reframe the question, you know? Right. Like, I can appreciate that you don't like what I asked. You know, I would even prefer you say. But anyway, I don't know how you guys are like, I don't want to get in the weeds over the 2% Epstein files. We all beg.

No, I just want to make sure I said that publicly to Corey. So, yeah. Thank you. I think that when we first said we were going to do this, I was probably drunk when you told me. 100. And I had like visions of like of a Kenneth Copeland type. Like the televangel's I grew up with. Yeah.

And they were such kind of cartoonish theatrical types. I was like, well, you know, I guess it'll be fun. Then I started researching this guy. And I got a little bit of cold feet because I was like, well, this is a new, this is a different type of dude here. You know, he's not even like that pastor out of Brooklyn that fucks with Bieber. I don't know. There's like a rapper type pastor. he's like a hipster pastor and Bieber goes to his church and he's just real Instagrammy.

I don't know how to describe it. And to be, and to be fair to Jackson, he probably the kind of guy Jackson was talking about with his platform and stuff, you know. Right. But then I agree with him on. I just feel like he had a lot of talking points that he just wanted to pivot to. But he didn't pivot to him in my opinion.

I almost feel like Jackson, if you're listening, here's some advice. Go harder, dude. Like, quit with all this like, well, okay, but let's, let's compare the Christians, Trey. Have you ever been in a room with televagicals? Dude, just call them slurs. You know, you want to. Right.

By the way, good call Trey when he was saying all that stuff and you were just like, hey, don't get me wrong. Jews and Islam don't hit for me either. I just feel the same way about Christians, you know? That was nice. I know, but then I felt like he acted like I hadn't said that. I know. He went straight to it like, okay, but which one is worse, though?

And it's like, I'm not, I'm like, I don't like any of them. We don't have to make a ranking here. I'm telling you fucking none of them for me. And I'm just, you know, whatever. But like, yeah. Yeah, when he said, that's the thing, that's one of the things that pisses me off the most. And I wanted to say it to him, but he said, yeah, we'll get your, send your gay uncle over to, you know, one of the Islamic countries and see how they treat him. As if, like, it's fine that he gets mistreated here because he could be getting mistreated worse somewhere.

And I've always hated when people say that because I'm like, dude, we shouldn't aspire to just be a little bit better than people who cut people's heads off. Yeah, but don't fall for that shit, dude. Like, there was no way to correct him because he was doing what he was doing. But like, you take, look, I'll be honest with you guys. I think all of America is slightly Islamophobic to a certain extent because of videos of a dude getting their head cut off. Of course. It's insane if you believe that every country on. earth where they practice Islam gay people get their heads chopped off first of all second of all

there are many many African nations that have a super right-winged Christian political bent at the moment where that is just as much the case where they are just as intense my point being that on that particular when I felt like myself I let it I did a bad job of of kind of letting him control the narrative of like, well, how you think they'd be treated? It's like, all right, dog. But again, you're acting as if these regimes, which by the way, we're responsible for

almost every single one being in power. When you're talking about Iran, there's like more that I can think of that the U.S. isn't directly responsible for being in power. But that aside, that aside, you're acting as if that is what Islam is when it's just not true, or that's what an Islamic country is when it's just not true.

Again, I was just reading about Indonesia. They're 87% Islamic. I don't think you get your head cut off there for being gay. Maybe I'm wrong. But I'm bringing that up in the context of this conversation because that's another thing he was good at doing was sort of reframing that. And it's just I don't fall for it is what I'm saying to everybody listening. It's not even true that that happens. That's crazy.

Yeah. And also, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it very much felt. like it wasn't just that he had a problem with the Islamic government. It was that he had a problem with Islamic people in general, right? And that also is insane. And I say the same thing too about like a lot of people where I'm from are like, you know, the Jews this, the Jews that. And I'm like, can we just say Israel?

Like you can hate Israel. But like if you think that every Jewish person is a genocidal maniac, I can tell you they're not because I know more of them than any. anyone in this town. And that's not true. And it's like when you hear everybody, when they hear, oh, white people this, white people, that. And they're like, well, that's not me. And I'm like, well, then they're not fucking talking about you. You know what I mean? Like, we don't judge, like, there's more white pedophiles in my area than there are black people that exist. But we don't think of all white people as they're going to fucking pedophile my kid. Because you shouldn't think

that. But clearly he does about anyone that, quote unquote, like he said, praise to Mecca five times a day. Sorry that they read their fucking book. Yeah, that, like, he almost got me with that one because I almost said to R Slur because that was dumb as fuck. I've been fine. I believe it. If it weren't for the Crusades, you'd all be praying to make a five times. God. Okay.

And if the Chinese had figured out what to do with gumpowder, you know what I mean? I'd be eating with chopsticks. What are you talking about? Yeah. This is the thing with, like, I feel like you have to be. I don't know. We're talking about getting back to the talking points and stuff. I don't know. I mean, I do

know that they exist, but I'm not saying that guy's taking like classes and training and stuff and how to like do all this shit. Or if it's some people just got it like that or what or it's both. But like being prepared to have these types of like debates where you keep all these

things in your back pocket, you know, and you know all the like what they call logical fallacies, all the different um, red, um, It's like straw man arguments and gish gallop and that type of all those types of things. And like, I just, you know, don't care about none of that or do none of that. So, like, for example, the Crusades, like when he said that, I'm aware of the Crusade. My head was like, wasn't there a bunch of Crusades?

And they were all just kind of quagmires and fucking, it just, you know, not. But I don't right now, like, because I'm not. a dumb ass. I don't, I'm not confident enough to just act like I know for sure about how the Crusades went down because I haven't read about the Crusades in quite some time or whatever.

So, you know, I don't say anything because I don't know like what really happened. But I just don't, like I am stupid enough to just be like, I fuck it. This feels right. Let me throw it at him. You're becoming. I just, I just more felt like,

I see what's happening here. Like, you know, like, we're trying to have a conversation about A and you've dragged me to T. And I feel like I can win T, but I don't want to talk about T. I'm still on the letter A. And, you know, there's nothing you can do about it. I mean, there are things you can do about it, but to me it wasn't worth it. And I'll be honest, I've enjoyed this debrief. I think we should move on for the last 15 minutes of this episode and just talk about, like,

whatever we want, to be honest with you guys. I mean, like, wrap it up. Anything you got out of left to say. But, you know, kudos to the dude for coming on. I kind of thought he didn't know who we were. I did too. I genuinely, I don't respect him as a human being at all. I respect that one act that he did.

You know what I mean? I do. Like, you know. Andrew Jackson was hell on the horse. You know what I mean? I bet I'd be like, shit. Like, I can ride, boy. Yeah.

I still am not sure. And maybe 30 minutes isn't enough time. if this dude is a guy who fundamentally believes things so different for me that we could just never actually really have a great conversation, or if he doesn't actually fundamentally believe much other than in himself and his brand, and therefore no one can have a real conversation. That record button changes a lot about him, I bet. You know what I mean?

It's funny. You're probably right, but it's funny if that's true, because that's one of his, like, biggest things. I know. That's why I wanted to open with it. And I wanted to get more into it. But like you said, and you did exactly what the plan was. It was like, all right, well, let's give you a chance to back out if you don't want to be here.

And then I just kind of forgot to circle back. So this is the last thing I'm saying we can't talk about whatever else for the last 15 minutes. And I kind of opened the debrief with this. But to me, I really do think that that very last part, primarily with you and him, it started with me and him, but then with you and him, Drew, was like, to me, I think the most interesting part because I'm still sitting here. in my head trying to go like, I don't understand how you

how you couldn't see the point that you were making or that I tried to make or the blatant hypocrisy of that. Like to me, there's literally no difference. Like, it's like, dude, but that's exactly what you're trying to do. You're trying to do the Christian version of that in this country.

But you could just tell. I fully believe in the cowardice. He was like, no. And I think that he feels that way. Like, I don't. I don't. I think what he did these splitting hairs of like, well, I'm a Christian and I'm also a nationalist.

So I guess I'm a Christian nationalist. But that doesn't mean I'm a Christian nationalist and all this stuff that's like, bro, what? Mainstream media. It's like, bro, you call on dictionary.com, the mainstream media. That's crazy. I'm gay and a figure skater, but that doesn't make me a gay figure skater, you know? Yeah. I think that, to your point, Trey, that was kind of the moment for me, too, of like, I kind of read it.

you're saying you read it as oh my god he really doesn't see this yeah and i think i read it differently personally i think i honestly and he's not here to defend himself but if you're listening jackson feel free to email me you can come back on genuinely i read it as cowardice uh and what i mean by that is he does think there's a difference between him and islamic fundamentalists and there are islam and christianity and he thinks that makes it okay right and right it's hard to stand on that business without coming across as someone who doesn't, the other point he made, well, I don't need my government to be Christian. Like, I want it to be, but I want it to be, but only because, right, I want that,

but only because I'm Christian. Yeah, we're a Christian nation and no Christian government. That's what I do. I don't think he doesn't see that. I think I read it personally as cowardice. I'm afraid to say, yes, the only difference between me and them is that. that I'm right. And this is what I'm right about. Yeah. And we were getting towards the end, but I genuinely would have him back on to discuss that. He can call me a coward or whatever for

saying it behind his back. But like, I read that as cowardice. Stand on business. Quit being a pussy and say what you mean. Craig Brown. Yeah, like I said, one of the things I was going to ask him about, because in my head I was like, I wonder if they know each other. Did y'all see the Tala Rico thing? I don't know what that is. That sounds like a Mexican restaurant I'd love. Oh, you don't know James Tala Rico?

I don't think so. Yeah, I don't. He's a like lefty Democrat Christian who's running for office in Texas. He went viral at like a city council media or something. He knew who he is. I'm sure I do. I'm sure I do. I'm sure I do.

Rogan's podcast. right and you know blew up and now he's running for senate and uh he went on colbert last night and cbs made colbert pull the interview from the episode uh because trump's because the FCC called them and was like them be we demand that you pull that interview and so they did uh but they they said that that had happened and then they put the interview on the on their youtube page so there's this whole thing where it's like they stric sand effect affected it, you know, where it's like so many more people heard about it now than we would have before. It's on YouTube, which FCC can't do anything about. More people have seen it now than they

would have if it just aired. So it's dumb, but also, A, well, part of the reason I just want to ask that guy is because he's from Tulsa, Oklahoma and Tala Rico's somewhere in Texas, and I was just curious, like, do y'all know each other? And if, and so, like, what do you think about that? Because to me, I don't know how you can make an argument for that if you also say free speech hits or whatever, but the dude is gone now, so it doesn't matter. But I guess I was asking y'all if you'd seen it, but I guess y'all... I saw it. I thought Colbert did a great job.

I think it was one of the best jobs anyone in the mainstream media has done in a while. Well, Colbert's an out Christian, too. Everyone keeps forgetting. Like, a practicing goes to fucking... He's Catholic, right? He's Catholic, yeah. Goes to Mass all the type, like, believes in that shit, you know, and they can never reckon that.

Right. Yeah. I thought Colbert did a great job, though. I think that FCC thing is so interesting because it's just something the guy said he wanted to do, the new head of the FCC. It's not a law yet. So is it ABC or CBS? I forget CBS. CBS is just following that with preliminary rule that is not even in place yet, like, you know, out of goodness of their heart to Trump or whatever.

Well, also, for them to, like, okay, we won't put it on our show that airs, because what y'all are worried about is this affecting our sponsors. We won't put it on the show, and that's what we'll think. No, it's not the sponsors. I don't think so. That wouldn't make it. They're literally just cowtowing to the administration because they fucking, either is a sort of like, whatever, a type of bright, like just staying in their good graces.

They, like, either don't want the smoke or they're sucking up to him or both or whatever. But, I mean, it ain't got nothing to do with the advertising. I mean, it almost feels like a sort of. bethedge of hey, and I mean, we've talked about this before and y'all know how I feel about it. Everyone acts like we're on step three of fascism and I think we're on step eight.

How many steps? 12. Sure, there's 12. That was just like metaphorically. But it's like they're kowtowing to him in case Right. It goes that way. You know, gets a third term and his regime is

in charge and our guest today gets everything he wants. And then if that doesn't happen, we can just backpedal and apologize and people will forget. Right. And that's like scary. I agree. I agree completely. That's why.

And that's very scary because that means like very shrewd, practical, sort of nihilistic soulless men feel like Trump has or the Trump regime, Project 2025, et cetera, et cetera, has like a shot here. Right. I mean, I've known that, but it's just, it is scary. Right. Right. People who are more in the know than us see the writing on the wall. You know what I mean? And that is terrifying. Well, but again, I think it's a bethedge too. It's like, well, it's not going to cost us a lot if we'll just apologize.

You know, we'll fire somebody and act like he or she was who did that. I also, I think for a lot of them, it was, it still is like part of the overreaction that so many of them had to the previous election, where it's like I think a lot of them thought that like Harris would probably win or whatever and then when Trump did win and the whole like all that you know they're like oh shit this is what America want

they looked at as like a referendum you know what I mean from like the people it's like well we've been we've been too woke and gay we gotta stop all that and and and I think maybe it's also a part of that or it's just yeah I mean previously when they fired

you know remember they said they like canceled whole bear but he is going until his contract runs up or something. Yeah and like but they announced it and when that happened it was something about you know CBS is part

of Paramount or whatever and Paramount Plus had some big deal that was about to go through or something like that. Warner Brothers right. Man I can't fucking remember but there was some like money reason where it was basically like they're playing ball with Trump's

FCC so that Trump's SEC or whatever the fuck will let them do this business shit they're wanting to do, but I don't fucking know. I think it's been too long and I've forgotten. I think Paramount, too much other shit has happened. Yeah, I think Paramount wants to buy

Warner Brothers or one of them or something. I think that's already been done. Yeah, no, that that I think came up later. It was fuck, I don't know. Well, while we go through the internet for that or whatever, let me just say real quick,

Corey and I, I don't know how you're a weekend in Burman him was straight price so compared to ours we got to spend our weekend with a drop by truckers we got to do comedy and Mike cooley introduced us and emceived the evening we had such a fun incredible time and introduced us by saying these are two of our foremost southern humorist philosophers and something else that super hit so thank you and then Corey proceeded to say Jews when he meant Israel for the next five minutes. It was really... Huh?

I mean, I was doing a bit, you know. Oh, I know. I'm just, I thought it was funny to put the... Also, immediately shit on Mike Cooley and continue to do that throughout the show because it was hitting for him, which was hitting for me. We had a great time. Thank you to everybody who came out. All the people on Reddit who threatened to whip my ass in the parking lot

because I posted the roast of Athens. In your defense, there were a few parking lots downtown, but I was checking them regularly. you know, in a cycle. And I had people out there going to see if there was any asswopers out there wanting to get an ass whooping going. And I didn't run into any of you. Of course, none of you were listening to this podcast.

According to y'all on Reddit, you have no idea who I am anyway. And I'm a nobody. But good times. I just want to say that. I don't know if you got anything to add to it, Corey. But that was another rad heathens homecoming show in the books. Yeah, a really funny thing happened, which I did already text about. but Trey was on the road and he might not have read it.

But when I first, so I was California sober, so I did a bunch of mushrooms, right? And I'm walking in the back. And this is right. Honestly, this is before they'd even really kicked in. I was walking in the back and through the VIP section where like you do see a lot of people who are famous to us. But like in almost every situation, there's context for it where it's like, oh, of course Judy from Rochester Jim Sons is here.

She's friends with the McBrayers. Like that makes sense. There's context. So when I see that person, I go, that is that person, you know. Michael Saravis, when I see him, I'm like, I know that he's from here and loves a drive. There's context, right? So I'm walking my, and I look at this table and I'm like, fucking, that fucking Stanley

Tucci? And then my brain goes, Stanley Tucci. And then my, hold on. Then my brain goes, nah, Tucci wouldn't. And I just moved on in my life, right? Then the mushrooms kick in. I walk by again, I go, fuck, that's goddamn Stanley Tucci. And I'm like, no.

dude, you're making him be Stanley. The mushrooms are making this bald guy be Stanley Tucci, right? And then Drew apparently separate from me, had the exact same experience where he's like, I think mushrooms just made Stanley Tucci back here. But though the next morning, my buddy Brad separately, I didn't say any of this because I never had it confirmed that it was him and thought that it wasn't.

Brad goes, dude, did you see that famous actor that was back there? And I was like, be more specific. he's like bald guy can't remember his name but he's he's famous and he he's really good at playing both villains and whatever and like uh you sure it wasn't michael servaris i mean i didn't see michael no he's i called michael because when you said that i was like oh god if michael was there and i ghosted him i feel like shit so i called him and i was like dude were you there and i just snubbed you because i was underrig he goes no unfortunately i'm sideline he got sick doing his broadway run of uh of uh uh a christmas carol and he's still recovering right so he's like no, it wasn't me. So Brad says that, and I go, who is? What's he been? And he's like, I can't remember. And he goes, hold on. So he just typed in famous bald actors. And he goes,

this guy, this guy right here. And it was fucking Stanley Tucci, right? And then Robbie Lee told me that he swore to God that Stanley Tucci opened the door for him at the Easy Bistro in Chattanooga on Friday, which would have made sense of him coming down here. Chattanooga is a hot spot or whatever. So I'm just saying, and then Robbie goes, maybe there's like three or four Tucci variants. you know, but what I think happened is Stanley Tucci was there and both of our mushrooms were on the same wavelength, so we just both

invented also that he was there. Well, I mean, I gave you those, so that would make sense. I don't think he was there. I have texted Jen to thank her for the banana pudding. Sorry, you didn't get any. By the way, she didn't make any this year for the truckers. Yeah.

And they got to eat plenty because we were like bringing them into the green room, but I think Patterson was a little annoyed. Not like in a fun way. I think he was like, so you got banana pudding, huh? Yeah,

we didn't do. Uh, I have texted Jen to thank her. And then I was like, by the way, was our boy Tucci there? I just, I just don't believe it.

I just don't. I think someone would have been like, by the way, can you move Tucci's here? Yeah, but maybe they, he didn't, this,

he didn't have his glasses on, which gave me pause, right? Because he's very, wrecked. So I was like, and that does work by the way. Like we always thought, how would Clark Kent have ever done it? It does change the way a motherfucker looks. You know what I mean?

So it's possible that they just also thought, no way that's Tucci. And it went on with their lives, you know? I mean, it seems to me like it has to be one of two things. Either it, Stanley Tucci was there and he is such a,

he's the type of person, especially in Athens, Georgia, that everyone who sees him rather than approach him. Hey, love your movies, whatever, it goes like, surely that's not Stanley Tootie. Surely not. Right.

Or it's, you know, people be having doppelgangers and stuff. And so it was like a Stanley Tootchy doppelganger with better eyesight. And he probably gets that all the time. Good point, especially the balds. They often, yeah, not to be racist against, not to be baldest, but. Oh, it's true. I can't tell us a part of those, too. They're like a Stanley Tucci doppelganger or.

he was just there. I mean, I don't know what else, you know, it could be. Well, let me tell you what I'm going to believe for the rest of my life and never look into Stanley Toochie was at the show. So you don't want me to confirm or, what's the opposite of confirm when you don't mean deny? Confirm or disproves. It would still be confirming. Do you want me to disprove you, your belief if it turns out he was not there? I have asked.

No. If you get that, if you actually get that information, then yes, I do want to know. I do because obviously I want to know if they confirm it. And then I, yeah, go ahead. Okay. I'll leave. Sorry. We love you.

That's okay. Hey, where are you going to be? What's you doing? What's happening? You need to make tickets. I'm going to be in Money's New Orleans, March. Oh, it's that Sunday before Denver. I'm going to say the 20th.

that time. I'm going to be in Denver the next weekend. I'm going to be in Bristol, Tennessee, a couple weekends after that. Head up Drew Morgancom.com. I will post those things in the next two days. All right. Go lay in bed.

Drew's sick, by the way. So he just played a flu game. I have to let everybody know that. I'll be in the new helium in Atlanta, technically Alpharetta, as I understand it, this weekend. The whole weekend, Thursday through Sunday, a bunch of shows.

So please come out to that. Trey Crowder. And then after that, like in March, I got Chicago and Denver and a bunch of fun places. And then a whole lot of others after that, also fun. Just a bunch of places coming up in 2026. Go to tradecrouter.com and check it out. Okay. So March the 20th.

Yeah, I'll be in. No, March the 19th, I will be in Athens, Georgia at the punchline. And the week before, I will be. in Asheville, North Carolina, doing stand-up. And, oh, you know what? Hey, guys, Saturday, this Saturday, if you are in the Walker County area at 12 o'clock at the Walker County Agricultural Center, which is right over by the Civic Center, which my pap hall built, by the way,

I will be the keynote speaker at the Walker County Democrats luncheon. there is corn bread will be provided, chili will be provided, and I will be speaking in a humorous fashion there. So come see me if you want to. Obviously, I'll be doing 30 minutes of a keynote speech, and then the rest of it will be how a Democratic fundraiser goes. So if that ain't your bag, you're not going to hurt my feelings.

But I am will be there. And some people are excited about it and are coming. So come on and support Sean Harris and support all the Walker County Democrats. And that'll be fun. But, you know, selfishly what I want you to do, go to Corey writesforyou.com. That is where it's my own little publication over on Substack where I write essays. I write daily diaries unless I'm on the road with the truckers and then I don't write them. I do audio podcasts over there.

And there's a group chat basically like our own little, what's that thing, Discord, that I'm active in. I chat with people who subscribe and it's a lot of fun. and I'm number 40 in humor right now, which is great. So make me number 39, Corey Wrights for You.com. Oh, you're right. I always forget what show.

Whenever Drew leaves, and it's just me and you, I forget what show we're on. Thank you all for listening to the well-read show. We love to stick around longer, but we got to go. Attune in next week, have you got nothing to do?

Thank you, God bless you, get better, Drew. fart. Hey, everybody. On the real, it really would mean a lot to me if you went to Corey Wrights for you.com, which is my substack. We have built a wonderful community over there. And by the way, you can get it absolutely free. Now, there is an option for you to pay $5,

but I only do that if you can afford it, right? I don't want anybody to be, not be able to read my work because of $5 a month because I know to some people that is everything. and I understand that. So if you can afford it, if it brings value to your life, if I've ever brought value to my life of all the things I've done for free and you thought, sure, I can kick in five bucks a month. That would be awesome because it allows me,

the more subscriptions, paid subscriptions I have, it gives me the freedom to do more on there. And I've been doing more on there lately because of that. So I thank everybody who does go to CoreyRights for You.com and pays for their subscription. By the way, if you do it by the year, you get like two months free, I think. But I want you to know that you can go there and enjoy literally everything completely for free if you're in a situation where you can't afford it.

I just wanted to say that. Corey writes for you.com. I'd love to have you over there. As you know, we can all get a little bit verbose, so it's a nice place for me to write without a filter and write what I think and what I see. And a lot of it's about biscuits, you know. But everybody seems to like it. So help me.

because me and Dave Barry were really close the other day on the top 50 list. We were really close. And I know he's better than me. It would really hit, you know, if it looked like he wasn't for a second. Okay, CoreyRoyots for you.com. Thank you all. Have a blessed day and be kind to each other. Again, we going to talk a lot.

Dress through sex with family. Ew. Putting on airs. What other rednecks to talk about foreign affairs? Laughing so hard that we end up falling out our chairs Sir Trace, Sir Corey, oh what a pair High class topics with a redneck flare Oh yeah

Two rednecks, but we'll get drunk and we don't talk a lot Get drunk and we don't talk a lot Dress real fancy sitting our chairs That you ran over That you in the attic and bass And we're gonna talk a lot