wellRED podcast - Broccoli Headed Cops and the Nature of Morality

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

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As someone who previously had a baby, I'm not entirely clear on how that removes someone from contention for recording. I think it's gravity? Yeah, right. Yeah, just he can't get it off. The gravity of his head is such. Yeah, it's like stuck to the surface of the room.

Yeah, he can't clean it off. That could be it. Now, he said something like, because the baby threw up on his face, now he can't get his mom to watch the set baby. So the baby might be sick. Yeah, I get bound. But babies be throwing up on faces all the time, you know.

Sure. Sure. I call it the question. It's like, yeah, the baby's sick. I'm not keeping the baby. Yeah, I think, I mean, I think you're right. I think it was something like. I also think it's his birthday and he was like talking about how he wanted to go to the movies,

which I'm not saying he's actually at the movies. I just, I don't think his heart was in it. No, you're right. It might have been like. You're definitely right. You're looking in the mirror at the vomit and you're like, I'm not doing the thing I already. No, no. You're right.

I was thinking it, I was, in my head, it was December 19th. It's December 9th. You're, I think you're right. It's the 9th of the 10th, I think. Yeah, okay. Anyway, so now you've, as usual, as is often the case, you've seen right through it. That's definitely what happened. By the way, make it clear, I don't know if he'll listen back to this or not.

I'm totally, it's completely fine with me. But I'm literally convinced that you are, I don't know. That did happen. I don't know. It did suck. It was like, you know, you're already like, uh, and then you get violent. vomiting on. You're like, I'm not doing it. It's his birthday. He just didn't want to do it. He may or may not have also been vomited on in the interim. But I believe, Gore, you were vomited on. I just think you were happy about it. I think he might be at Kill Bill right now. Wasn't that pretty good? Because he said he was going to kill Bill and we were like, that's fine. He said he was going and he had to go at nighttime and kind of didn't want to, but he had to because of podcast, right? So I think that he, maybe he's at the earlier one, see, or going to it. This is my theory. My theory is that's your son. You somehow got Amber pregnant through

osmosis by having sex with Corey and you and no I fucked it up. I had my story backward. I threw up on his face in a baby form as revenge for him to having thrown up on my face all those years ago. Yeah. Yeah. But what I should have just said was it's clearly Corey's child because that's he they just be throwing up on faces yeah they do this gonna sound out of nowhere have you seen the movie weapons yet no and i don't think i'm gonna okay that's fine is it great i it's good i thought i great people were talking about it like you know best horror movie of the decade type shit was the type of praise it was getting and i don't get right but it is i mean it's a good movie yeah but it sort of has

to do with you the idea of me basically uh possessing cori's child and making it throw up on him that's kind of what that movie's about it's about i read so many things about it and maybe it was my own fault is it kind of about gun control so there there people said that people said it was about it was one of those things where people like it's clearly about gun control this about school shootings this is about alcoholism right it's like a bunch of different things i wouldn't call it clear me, I landed more on the alcoholism side of it than the gun control part personally, but a lot of people tried to make that argument,

but who the hell knows? I just felt like either they're, this is like kind of too on the nose, it seems like, and I'm not going to like it, or they're right, and it is great horror, and then I'll probably like, be fucked up by it. Like, I'm just not, it's rare that, there's times where I've been like,

God damn, what a great horror film. I wish I wouldn't have seen it. you know i find most of the time for me that because i there are plenty of times i've skipped watching horror movies because in my head i've been like like you just said i was like even if it is really good i think it will upset me like i'll be disturbed by it and it will be overall an unpleasant you know experience so i don't want to do it the times that and i kind of felt that way about weapons, but it got such praise that I found, I was like, fuck it, I'm going to do it.

And with weapons, and I feel like with most of the other horror movies that I've given into and finally watched, usually, and maybe it's because I built it up in my head so much, it's not, you know, it's not so bad. Like, it's over and I was like, well, that wasn't that fucking crazy. Like, I don't know what I thought I was going to be akin to watching fucking snuff footage or something like that.

And it's like, it's, you know, it's a movie. It's not, it's nothing that crazy. may not hear i'm not trying to talk you into watching it you just literally made me think of it so i thought i'd ask because if you had it seen it i was going to ask some more things but we're not going to do that which is fine because people in our audience probably wouldn't be into it anyway so no well i think some right probably uh maybe a couple very few what do you want to talk about uh what do i want to talk about i want to talk about might's well plug it now i'm just so genuinely pumped about our show and i was trying to like figure out why i don't mean like i'm

not usually pumped about us having a show, but it is like a combination of like, I haven't seen y'all in a very long time, actually, even though we hang out in virtually weekly. And then also, I've just kind of been doing mostly shows around Knoxville, and they've been great, and I've been having a good time. But it has, as those things do, like it kind of gets stale. Like, I haven't toured much. I've done like fill-in show, like, you know, Levity Live called me or whatever in Huntsville. He used to be stand-up live, and they were like, can you feeling and I did and it was a good time but there's not been like any consistent so anyway I hope people are pumped to come see us in Nashville we're there December

I want to say 18 19 20 whatever that Thursday through Saturday is and I'm really pumped I'm really pumped about having a full club set I'm really pumped about seeing you guys I'm really pumped about seeing well red nation yeah I don't know if that's all I want to talk about but that's what's what I'm pumped about well yeah if you're remotely close to Nashville please come to Zanis not this weekend but the next one I think Saturday early sold out I think Friday early's coming close so

you're gonna have to go to a late show I know that a lot of you guys we're there Thursday right you could come Thursday that's not a late show well I was thinking if you're not remotely closed Thursday well then yeah you're probably not you're probably right but they are always a very good time it's weird because that's like it is

my favorite weekend of the year I love those shows and everything but it also is always I'll I always end up fucking real stressed out by it too the whole time because of all the other elements of it. I feel like I have to deal with a little more than either of the two of you. Yeah, I only have to do with that in Knoxville. And let me say this too, when I opened for you in Knoxville, but it wasn't a well-read show, that was so much better. Like, I mean, you know, like not everything was better, but just like the whole like people were texting.

Oh, shit, man, I know you're going to be on that. It looks like it already sold out. Yep, nothing I can do about it. right so i can deal what you're saying yeah because yeah it's just always you know because i'm fucking poor white trash so it's just always a lot of requests hey i need tickets how many all them shitload and it's like well there's not that many plus there's gory and drew they might need tickets too it's always a fucking thing but anyway the shows themselves are always a good time um well i do have a is this anything and the thing is i know it's something

let me see if i'm kind of going to ruin it for the people who are going to come to the show because I already know this is something I just want to talk to you about it mostly because right now it's kind of just one line and I want it to be something else it's really it's not a tag it just goes on the back end of another joke I have where I'm talking about the youth um broccoli hair kids are doing the broccoli hair we all hate the broccoli hair we all hate it we can't stand it God forbid a young man trying to get some pussy. But I hate it too. Like, here's the thing as we age. They get older too. The young and you mean? Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I didn't realize this until recently, but Gen Z is old

enough to be a cop. And I know this because I saw a broccoli haired cop, which answered the question in the affirmative, could I possibly respect a cop less? And then I just thought about maybe there's an act out, but it seemed kind of corny, to be honest with you, of like, do you know why I pulled you over, fam, you know, or like... Yeah, that's definitely for sure a way to go. It might be a little corny, but that's okay. Sometimes, you know, corny stuff is... Well, yeah, sometimes it's like we all know what you're going to do if we want you to do it. Yeah, right.

Yeah, exactly. And I know it's funny that this is where my brain would because you probably don't want to do this. Also, I mean, hell, it's been a while now. but I immediately thought of like the Doge kids big balls in them or whatever like they were that was one of the worst parts of that whole thing is that these guys that were like fucking tearing our you know government down from the inside out or whatever and alluding all this power over you know lifelong bureaucrats and stuff were broccoli headed internet edge lords who were 21 or 22 years old you know called themselves big balls and stuff it definitely makes it harder. kind of authority figure in that position it's like it's it don't hit well i like to go for the throat as you know and i like to be dark sometimes so i was thinking about like all right well what do i really want to say about cops as a joke well i mean i always like a clever reference to how they beat their wives and so i go with shoot dogs person unsurprisingly pretty good yeah i was trying i was like

you know how do you make a gen z comically racist how do you make a gen z comically hit his wife. And I was like, maybe he's married to an AI, like, you know, do they beat their AI wife robot? They don't really have AI wife robots yet. I don't think they don't even really have like wives, do they, right? That's what I'm saying. Like another thing, they don't like date and shit anymore. Like, you know, painting. Well, there's two sides to it, right? Like, there's a half of them that are like pretty conservative, like traditionalist conservative. Like half of them, not half, but a lot of them are getting married at like 22. Right.

because they, like, think we're degenerate, disgusting internet creeps who are obsessed with sex and being single and jacking off and porn. So they're, like, trying to go the other route. And then, you know, based on that on, like, God's watching is weird, but more power to them in general. But anyway, I was trying to think of a way to, like, comment on what cops do through the lens of the AI cop. And to me, what cops do is, like, you know, uphold the power structure, shoot black people, shoot dogs. yeah i'm trying to think i'm trying well no i mean i'm glad you're not you being like this is stupid no i was in my i did being a comedian is weird because in my head i was like thinking it's like

yeah what what would uh broccoli-haired 22 year old beating his wife look like or 24 year old what it look like yeah or like what you know like but that's what i was imagining but not imagining and like you know this is horrific way but like what's funny about this where's the joke in this type of way i'm almost there you know i've been thinking about you know how funny it is that cops shoot people yeah well anyway what would they man i mean this is dark are they still gamers and stuff because you could do and act out of them shooting an unarmed black man and then like some gamer shit like i think t-bagging was us I don't know if you want to t-bag a hypothetical dead black father of four on stage.

It might be a little too much. But something like that, like, I don't know, fucking something with a headset or some kind of like, you know, good game, some kind of like gamer lingo or something after shooting a guy, you know, shoots a guy and then fucking, I don't even know. I'm too far out of the game, literal game, like halos and shooters and stuff. I thought about that too. Like, I don't really know them. I don't need to know them. I don't need to be a comic who's just shitting on the younger generation. I actually think

that generally speaking, it can end up being pretty whack. So I was thinking like, all right, so do I make fun of myself? Because really the joke is about, I did see this. I saw a broccoli head cop and it kind of just sent me into a tailspin of like, you know, like I ended up with

the line of I didn't know I could respect the cop less or whatever but at the time i was like saying i in my head i was thinking i just just when i thought i couldn't hate them more you know and i thought maybe there's a line of just like um you know like of all the things i've that i look overlook the racism the wife beating the corruption this is a bridge too far right yeah no that's i mean i like that i think that's funny that reminds me of yesterday on skews i was telling them martin this happened in our group chat too but like mark sent us that clip of Elon on joe rogan telling him like here's this something great grok can do right grok can roast your friends at a party right like you tell grok hey get you know

give me some brutal roast for my buddy joe or whatever and then he'll get some brutal roast for And like, and just Mark brought that up on skews and we were just talking about how fucking how in how stupid and terrible and cringe where you're like so many things Elon does. But that is the idea of actually being in a party and someone really doing that and how that would backfire so hard and so immediately and like would never work even if Grock was good at it, which of course also it isn't. So it's just but but Joe Rogan what I said was and what I brought. up again yesterday that's related to what you just said a minute ago like somehow that clip because in that clip joe rogan was laughing at elon and was like going along with it like dude that's so cool like in a that's so cool kind of way and somehow that more than anything else that he's done really was like the the last straw for me with like joe rogan like him laughing at

that and pretending because to me i guess as a comedian's like that's much that's even more of a sin to me like acting like that is a funny good idea it's like dude it's in it what are you doing you should be fucking ripping his ass apart even j y'all are boys right fucking bust his balls it's stupid yeah right like what what is this and it just uh and then i realize how silly that is for that to be the thing that like finally push me over the edge with joe wrote but it like but it really sincerely was like i'm not saying that as a bit that was my genuine reaction to it it's like Like this, I can't, I can't handle. All the disinformation and fucking propaganda and all the shitties.

But like this, this is a bridge too far for me. I think it's because of, I'm trying to think of how to frame this without making it sound like I or you are defending the other things Joe Rogan has done or said. Not that I care, but it's just, I don't think that's factual. I don't think you've ever defended it. I mean, I think that you've seen him say wild shit and been like, well, that's fucking stupid but you see that and you're like and some people have fucking stupid ideas that's how it is in life and then unfortunately one of them is more important than the rest

of us and has this platform and that's weird right blah blah with this it's like what he's holding on to i mean into a point that i have found it laughable you know he's like the mothership is sacred we is stand-up comic like that's been his sort of wall that he bounces all that other stuff off of whether it's my excuse for not grilling whoever it is is that I'm a comic I'm a dude hanging out and then like my excuse for saying these things is I was trying to be funny and even when he apologized or saying the N-word it was like I was trying to be funny but I realize I shouldn't have done it now and there's some part of you as a comic that's like hey that's not

the comic I am but I know that comic okay like like None of us know that comic Exactly None of us know the guy who's going to pretend Unless it's a chick And if it's a chick We all give the dude shit Right

Sometimes in front of the chick Like come on dog She ain't gonna suck your dick Just because you thought her fucking joke was funny And when I say check I don't need a chick comic necessarily But I'm saying like I've never seen a comic act like that No Unless it was

Trying to get pussy Or someone kind of famous Who had like lost a step yeah no and even that we make fun of like we're all like you know what i mean you're definitely right it's like he in spite of all the other like rogan is always like deified comedians and the concept of comedy and he's like he takes he's real serious about it and all the fucking comedy assassins and this is what it means and all this stuff and so uh to then do that was just like for me just a much more unforgivable sin because like you said

no real comic would would do that even that you buddy and they're supposed to be buddies yeah you bust their balls immediately for me like bro are you kidding me fucking walk into any party and try that shit fucking get your phone out and like let my phone be cool for me see how that goes like what the fuck you talking about right you know and there's different levels like I think you would respond as diplomatically as possible like like maybe not to Elon but to like a friend of yours like if you had a friend on this pod and you had a friend on this pod and you had them on because they were talking about something interesting and they said that I think you would be like I don't know like I just don't feel like they could but if you think about the two

examples I gave like trying to get laid or maybe it's someone in the industry who's important like dude I could totally see someone doing it to Flannie not that flannies not funnier that you'd ever say that but that's just someone we know in common I could see people pretending like he said something funnier than it was or whatever right well that it's kind of what Rogan's doing though is and I know Exactly, that's what I was going to say. No, I know, yeah, it's like you're ingratiating yourself to this dude, like, and it's gross. It's gross. You don't need, and I know it's almost, it's almost like a two-way street with them, because I know Elon thinks Rogan's like the coolest dude alive, too.

Well, it helps him. He's also using it. Right, yeah. Yes. But, yeah, no, you're right. Yeah, there are plenty of comics who would do that for like a Netflix executive or something. And that's the feel that it had for Roean, even though it's Elon must, but it's like, yeah, it's. It's just, he's like sucking up to him or whatever, whether he's even thinking about it or not.

But it's like, you just know that he doesn't actually think that that's a good idea that would work. But he's pretending to, and there's got to be some reason for that. And it's, you know, and us being able to understand or disgusted by that reason, if I can, like, come up with it in my head of what it probably is, is part of it too. Because if you see one of your friends do that in front of a Netflix exec, especially not on a fucking podcast or no one saw it, but like the four of us, you'd be like, but I get. it right yeah kind of get this from him and then and then it's over and then you don't have to like you know what i mean like and i'm trying to think of a comic who's not like that patrice comes to

mind patrice would would not even do that to the netflix exec much to his own downfall right but with with rogan it's like hey you're literally on top of the comedy yeah right you can't go no even if it's like okay well he wants to be on top what other right unless you think he's gonna go to mars and take you i genuinely don't know what you could possibly even need Exactly. Even if it, yeah, like a doomsday bunker or something, Rogan can afford his own already, you know, like he's already in that, yeah, no, you're a hundred percent. It's like he's always been that guy and that is deep down, I think kind of why a lot of us started losing respect for him over the years, even if we kept it to herself either for professional reasons or because we weren't sure. Like we're just trying to be decent people here like, oh, you know, well, maybe.

I think he's just always been someone without like a fucking rudder. Yeah, that's what a lot of people said about him is like he's so like malleable or whatever, legit. Like he just takes on the whatever, not about affect, but at least the opinions of the last person he talked to, at least the last person he talked to that he thought was smart. Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah. I think part of your feeling is he was supposed to draw the line of comedy, right? Yeah, right.

And it turns out even there he doesn't know what he's talking about, which makes sense because he's painfully unfunny. he also it's a known thing with him that he doesn't like get jokes you know like yeah people have made compilations of him yeah like he doesn't or they just he doesn't he doesn't register that a joke even just happened you know which is weird for for a comedian and podcast host but the biggest in the world yeah yeah but um i don't know um i have a thing to yeah let's do that so i I've got a whole list of things. I'm just picking one off of it since you brought up, you know, is this anything shit?

Where'd it go? Where'd it go? There it is. So I'm just going to read the note I have and you tell me just based on, because obviously I just write these notes down to remind myself. So I'm literally just going to read the note and you tell me based on just that if it makes sense to you before I, you know, explain anything. The note says telling regular people to recycle every day or we're all going to die

is like an alcoholic adulterer telling his eight-year-old, you better start cleaning your room or mom's going to leave. I think the analogy's apt. I don't know how funny it is yet. Yeah, well, again, that's just an idea. That's just how I phrase the idea of it in my note file. But it's like, yeah, it's what is even the bit obviously would be, about or aimed at the way people are gaslit, you know, by corporations get away with everything

or whatever and that whole deal. But that's obviously a huge subject that you'd have to drill down into further. And I don't know if corporations are responsible for this one, but this is more current and more specific and it bothers me so much. And you can do anything you want with it because I don't have a joke. Instead of recycling, and I want to say this, I may have said this to some version that's on here before, but everyone out there,

if you're listening and you're involved in this, please take notes. I'm completely right about what I'm about to say. Kill Your Lawn is the dumbest fucking idea for a campaign. I've ever seen in my life. And it's not that they're wrong. When you go and read what they're saying, I'm like,

oh, everything you're saying is true, but it comes across to someone who's not read up on it and maybe who they're not obsessed with the environmental movement and or, you know, farming and being traditional with their plants. And for people who don't know, the idea is like, hey, we planted these non-native grasses. We're fucking up entire ecosystems. And for what? If you would just figure out a way to make the native plants grow in harmony, it's way less maintenance.

And it would be beautiful. Here's an example. And you look at them and you go, damn, that would be fire. But you're not going to get a suburban dad on board with doing something he would probably consider a little radical to begin with, with the idea of just kill your lawn with nothing to replace it with because you're not just taking away his lawn you're taking away my man's break from the kids you're taking away my man's peacocking in the neighborhood and you can play into those things that's what bothers me about it you could totally play into get away from your kids peacock for the neighborhood like what's more bad like let's badass our lawn you know what I mean

let's look and defend your family with native plants you know what I mean like there's so many reframing it, yeah. Reframs you could do. Whereas, hey, man, you don't need a lawn. It's just such a liberal apartment living view where you're like, well, I know you don't need the lawn. So why don't you just listen to me? And it's like you're taking away something

and you're not giving them anything back. Anyway. What that? I don't know if that's corporates, though. Yeah, but that makes you think of something else that I don't have any of my notes. I don't know if it could even be a bit, but it's something that's come up a lot frequently

because it's about to come up again right now. And it's that like I love it so much anytime it, I've, how do I even want to phrase this? My favorite form of protest by far are the ones that turns out I was already inadvertently doing. But now I can be lauded as a hero for, right? Like my shopping at Target or something? Exactly. So what happened, the reason it came up recently was, well,

First of all, my wife shops at Target all the time, so I guess I can't claim that one. But recently, somebody asked me, another liberal person was like, are you participating with the, in the, um, the Black Friday, Cyber Monday boycott this year or whatever? I had no idea that was happening, right? But I was like, yeah, absolutely I am. Matter of fact, yeah, I've been participating for 20 straight years now. When did you get on board, you know, like that's like half those line? Yeah, I've been doing it when the reality is just like, I'd rather get fucking waterboarded than, do Black Friday shit just because I don't like it.

Freeing the nipple. I used to have a bit about that. I've been trying to get people to free the nipple my whole life. Yeah. This also, when Chick-fil-A first happened, I was saying at the time, because it was true, I was like, well, this is easy for me because I'm actually not a fan anyway. I never really ate it chick-fil-a-just because I didn't like it. You know, and I was like, one of the lines I had when I was briefly talking about that was

like, you know, because look, I'm going to tell you right now, like, if it turns out that Taco Bell is donating money to gay conversion therapy camps that you know i just hope my uncle tim can forgive me or whatever because i'm not going to fucking bail on that but do you remind me of it just now because i had no idea that was a thing you just told me that the way you just told the audience that i'd never even heard of that our front lawn has been dead for you killed your lawn that was so the reason our front lawn is just buy a kill your lawn sign dude that that's yeah that would help because it It's been bought, like, the reason our lawn is dead is because my wife has ADD. So we moved in this, we bought this house and she was like, she didn't like the front lawn.

So she like just ripped the whole fucking thing up in order to replace it with something different that she did like. But then she just moved on to other things. Well, first of all, also in ADD terms, she got paralyzed by choice. Like she couldn't decide what she wanted to do. And then she just gave up and sort of moved on to other stuff. And so now we just had essentially a dirt plot. in the front of our house for months now but turns out i'm an environmental activist which is nice yeah i'll just give me one of the ordinance is going to get you i don't know it hadn't come up so

far um i hope not didn't even occur to me i hadn't even checked but yeah then you could then you could larry david this whole thing and when they try to tell you to then you're like no i'm killing my lawn because i care about the environment you just you know what i mean now you're full bore in it right yeah But yeah, no, that's nice. That's good at least to have in my back pocket. But you know what else is good to have in your back pocket? Dinner plans, but you don't have to think about. That's right.

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I was just thinking this other is this anything thought I had that I haven't developed at all which is like the people who send their kids to gay conversion therapy oh now y'all believe in therapy? Yeah, that's funny. Well, I mean, it is called therapy

but don't they like just like show them pictures of hot dudes and spray them with water hoses until their dicks don't get hard anymore and they hate themselves? or I might be a little off on that but isn't it I think you're being in a gay porn

no but they isn't that they do that don't they? You know I just realized I don't think I have any idea what goes on at gay conversion therapy other than I assume a lot of gay stuff

right well yeah and it ain't see I'm just saying it ain't at all therapy it's still a funny joke because they do call it that but it's definitely it's more just psychological torture I did

one other line which is like Until now, y'all are like, therapy, that's for queers. Oh. That's funny. That's funny. I like that. But this is interesting, if maybe a little sad.

Oh, good. Well, you know, let's find, like, what, oh, my God, why did I just fucking, uh, sorry. I just, because Google popped up a suggested search, I just searched for gay conversion camp near me. That's what I just searched for. I don't like that. I know that's two crazy ones in California. on you. Yeah.

You know, on account of supply and demand, am I right? Yeah, absolutely. You'd think, let's see here, fucking, what happens at a conversion camp? This person says, this is the person on Reddit who says that one of their gay friends' parents attempted to send them to what they thought

was a gay conversion camp, but they accidentally sent them to just a gay conversion camp, but they accidentally sent him to just a gay camp, and it was just a camp for gay kids, ran by gay people, and he had a great time. So that's, at least that's one heartwarming story.

I'm sure they figured it out lately and probably, you know, beat him and put him out on the street at the other thing. They probably sued those people. Yeah, that's weird, because I just, that I heard a very similar thing about, and I mean,

this dude, I'm sure, as evil as any of them, but you know, Jensen, Jensen Huang Jensen Huang The CEO of

NVIDIA One of the top 10 richest people in the world Very engaged in the whole tech bro thing And AI and stuff That dude His parents are I think they're Taiwanese

Immigrants from Taiwan I think he was born in Taiwan But came here at like a very early age And mostly grew up in America No okay He came here when he was like eight or nine Spoke no English That's when his parents immigrated over here

But I guess they had some money or something and they wanted, they thought they were sending him to a prestigious boarding school, right? Because they thought that's like, that's in a thing for America, you know, give your kid a leg up in America, send them to a fancy boarding school, which, I mean, it is. It is a thing. But the actual school that they sent him to, it wasn't a gay conversion camp, but it was like a labor camp for troubled youth in rural Kentucky. And he went there barely speaking any English. and like went to school there or attend however that worked for like you know a year or something

which is uh one hell of a mix up but he says that like this is truly a villain backstory i know right i know yeah he is a villain he said he had um he traded like uh some kind of smart kids something tech lessons or homework cop cheating or something for like being taught how to bench by like a strong hillbilly kid. Now this sounds like he just made some shit up. My boy went to Borden school in the South and was like, it was basically labor camp. Yeah, I don't know.

Maybe you're right. But I just thought he, fuck him, what I don't give a shit about him. But the idea of a pair of immigrant parents accidentally making that particular mix up is just, I mean, it's funny in a fucked up way, obviously. It's super funny in a fucked up way. also funny if they didn't but that was like what they said oh they just did it on carpet yeah right but yeah but it's like you know it's like a set up for a fucking either like you know if you go the funny way with it either like a dark

comedy or like a fucking what's that dude's name alexander pain like an asian alexander pain movies he's the dude that made uh the holdovers or the leftovers or the leftovers whatever it makes all as like rich kid movies or whatever uh that's that that's gonna as you might imagine i don't go very deep with those but i know what i don't i'm not a huge fan myself but people really jerk that that i said that's going to upset people that i said he makes those rich kid movies because he really hits for people but uh but yeah i mean call spade that's not racist is it i don't we can find that out too oftentimes when you try to look up the if anytime that question gets asked and you look up the origin i feel like better than 80%

of the time it's like oh no yeah it is it is right but uh uh i don't know if greeks some do with greeks greeks call a fig a fig and a trough a trough which a trough and a spade is the same thing call a fig a fig that one's yeah we're just really dancing on it aren't we but uh so okay so it's not racist in origin but you did just remind me you know can it be racist for sure obviously it came because one time uh i was commissioner

of a fancy football league when I still lived in Tennessee with and this was like at the DOE by the way like it was all the younger people at the DOE and I was the commissioner and one of the white dudes super conservative white guy who was in the league was in my office and it was almost time for the draft or whatnot and he was like have you gotten everybody's buy in yet and I was like well I don't have this guy this guy or this guy and those three guys were the only three black dudes in our league, right? But that was the answer to the question. I was like, well, I don't yet have this guy, this guy, or this guy.

And of course, me being me, I was like, I was like, and look, I'm not, I'm not saying, it's fine. I'll get it. I'm not saying anything. You know, I got awkward and weird being like, I'm not trying to be right to that, that whole thing. But he like cut me off and he just goes, hey man, sometimes you got to call a spade a spade, right? And then, um, that feels, that feels racist.

It is racist. I know. And also, he was like being racist on purpose. purpose. It feels like you weren't being racist until you explained you weren't. Well, it's one of those things. If you've been in there and seen his face,

like he... Yeah. It's like that joke, though. He definitely registered it without a doubt. It's like that joke when somebody goes, and he was Mexican.

And you go, it's not racist to say Mexican. It is racist to whisper it, though. Right. Yeah. But again, he, I just, I said their names.

I saw the look in his eye and it sent me into the whole like, I'm not saying anything. And then, but he was just, you know, reveling in it. I'm going to reveal way too much, but I do that on here anyway. And I don't want to be shocked by this story. Although, I think people are listening right now. They've just got home, but whatever.

I have a plate that I take with me to festivals. A plate? Like a dinner plate? It's like a dinner plate, yeah. What did you think it would be for? I mean, if not food, drugs. There you go. And it has a gorilla on it.

Mm-hmm. Because when I'm doing that, if you're going to be a monkey. Bay a gorilla, yeah, right. That's, and I pulled it out to partake with a friend of mine who happens to be black. And then he just, of course, slapped the plate because the plate itself is so fun. I mean he's really in a suit with like a red bow tie and he's like why you got that and then not only did I have to tell him then I had to explain that it's from a red man song and the story you told which is just as awkward as this current story is yeah he's a comic so you got a real kick out of the layers of what he called

white guilt and white racism which he pointed out to me is often the same thing which I thought was funny right yeah yeah that uh yes the time i accidentally not accidentally i guess but without thinking said if you got to be a monkey big gorilla and hattie bees and you know the fucking the person playing the piano in the corner stopped and everybody turned and leon lifted me or whatever even that person there's a guy i know i know i know and the guys playing spades in the other corners they stopped you know what they were doing like just just keep getting more racist with it uh but uh So I said earlier, you brought up the gay conversion thing,

and I was like, I was like, what did they, what I was like, show them pictures of gay porn while spraying them with water hoses or whatever? You're like, what the fuck? So this anecdote, fuck, this says it, they were told, they were forced to watch gay porn while being, um, this says force feeding them medicate, like, medication, I guess. What's that stuff that makes you throw up at epicac or something? Epicac.

Yeah. Shown gay porn while being, like... Epic act? Yeah, made nauseous or whatever. So I knew they did some shit like that at some of them. That is horrific. In no way do I want to come across like I feel any other way.

But just out of curiosity, does that work? Well, no, of course it does. How could it work? You can't. I don't mean work like you're no longer gay. I mean like later in life do you start to puke when you get horny up for a guy. If you see a dick. Is there a Pavlovian?

Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Thing there. Which makes a little more fucked up. i don't mean yeah yeah right does it prevent you from watching gay porn because you're vomiting the whole time that's wild it is wild i mean no you raise a good point it definitely seems like it could have levian conditioning is obviously a very real thing so you could see how that would happen but that's what the that makes it even more because you're being tortured so your

body would start to feel some of the PTSD from the torture it's crazy that people would rather torture children, then just deal with that. Right. I know. Yeah. Because even if you're thinking of like in a religious sense. That's what I was about to bring up. It's still wrong, I think.

Well, I guess if you don't act on it, maybe it's not according to many. Yeah, but is it like, is it justified? Because yeah, I assume any of the parents that ever do this, they're like, I have to save my child's soul from damnation, right? And I mean, fuck these people. But torturing a kid, though, that wouldn't that also? be bad damnation wise or would it

be justified in the eyes of the church if it was in order to save them from the gay devils or whatever I guess it's like there's all those there's like a few verses used as justification for corporal punishment so I'm sure I mean dude there's no shortage of like

I mean the Spanish Inquisition like there's no shortage of this is justified by the Old Testament vengeful god and not to mention I mean I'm not the only person who's brought this up

but like Paul kind of a huge piece of shit okay you know I don't know what you may he wrote many of the books in the New Testament was he the one that changed his name do you know why he changed his name

I do not know why he was murdering Christians well there's some maybe he was only throwing them in jail he was persecuting them on behalf of a government that didn't like them and then on the road to damascus he was blinded for a few days by some lie had some huge event change his name from saul to paul and then became the thing he was persecuting i mean he's just a fucking narcissist okay and then as part and out that makes me i get road

to damascus i get that uh saying now yeah and then he was exiled and as part of that he became like high up in I mean to say the church is a loose phrase at this point in time there's not kind of the point of his writings is there isn't really as much of an organized institution yet right he starts writing different people telling them how to organize their church how a church should be those are Paul's letters and they became books of the New Testament and I would say in arguably in American evangelicalism, Paul is way more important than Jesus. And I saw a thread talking about this from a Catholic

who's like super leftist, but they're a Catholic. I think they go by like leftist Catholic or something that I fuck with. And they were like, stupid fucking name. You know what I mean? Oh, we get it.

It doesn't make sense because it seems to, you know, normally you wouldn't think of it being that way. But oh, I'm this, but I'm also a leftist. I don't even think, I didn't even put that in the shit. But they were basically like saying that's all bullshit. And I wrote this long paragraph of like, dude, y'all are talking about all these like reasons Paul is misinterpreted. This girl just said that. She said Paul is misinterpreted by, like, y'all aren't evangelicals.

You can't speak. But then I was like, what am I doing? You know, you have those like adult moments. You're like four paragraphs in and you just delete it all and move on with your day. You'll hug your son. yes so i did that because uh i don't really care what the leftist catholic thinks about the girl who was really just talking about her lived experience uh feels about paul and i'm not anyone who's in paul in my opinion should go fuck himself where you add on like you know the like

religious lefty people like there's there's that pastor i don't know what denomination is who is you know his whole thing is um fucking with ice protesting ICE and stuff he's been like and then there's that lefty Christian influencer girl maybe that's the one you're talking about or what if it's like who's

gone viral a couple times for pointing out the hypocrisy of these like conservative stances and shit there's um that lady pastor at Trump's inauguration who asked him to be a kind person so they you know send her to alligator alcatraz or whatever they did

But, like, I don't know, just what are you, are you like, oh, that hits that you're at least like doing this, but also why even, you know, hold on to the other part? Or are you like, no, these people hit harder for me than like anybody does because. I'm definitely not the price to like. I'm definitely not that part, I guess. I mean, I definitely feel like, okay, it seems like these people are paying attention. and, you know, Lee Baines is one of my favorite people and artists on Earth, and he's certainly probably my second favorite Christian behind my mother. And on some days, he's probably my favorite.

So, like, if you're asking me, how do I feel about it? Like, yeah, like, good. You, like, you read those words in red. You came to the same conclusions I did. And instead of running away, you, like, decided to, like, be the example or whatever, to be Christ-like. sometimes with like priests there's a party that's like

I don't know man they'd be like joining the Nazis and being like I'm going to change it from the inside I mean it's not quite that extreme but maybe it would be like these prosecutors maybe that's a much better analogy especially for me and my outlook where like it's the only way to change the system

you know it's cute your little public defender stuff but what the fuck are you really going to do and I'm like and I'm waiting on one of you to do it because I'm you know when I was in that world it would be like for four years in a row I'd be like and I meet a slew of you every year and I know a slew of you who are older them and none of you have done it yet

in fact the opposite happens you get whittled down until you're just justifying all this bullshit that is not justifiable so I have very complicated views on it I guess would be my I didn't mention the Talarico right he's another one

who Tallarico you know James Taylor Rico that Texas dude I feel like he's like hot shit right now. Does he go on Rogan a lot and he's a politician? He was a state level politician and went viral for pointing out the hypocrisy of some new Texas Republican state law, like a separation of church and state gang. He went viral for that, which got him on Rogan. He had viral moments on Rogan and now he's running for U.S. Senate.

And he's a white guy who's a Christian. Yeah, I don't dislike Christians. I do feel a little bit of a, um, apprehension like I do with cops right for people who are like part of the clergy especially for a church that's like very big and very organized um you entrusted your entire life to an institution that's done so much evil and empire you know if you're part of the catholic church for example it's just it's not that i don't believe you mean it or that you don't love jesus it's just that if you join that clergy, I'm like, ah, that's tough for me.

That's tough. But whatever, more power to them. Yeah. I mean, just be a good person, right? Mm-hmm. I was thinking about that the other day with in terms of like teaching Roscoe, you know, like how to be a man. And there's all this stuff about like what it means to be a man and masculinity and we need a rogan of the left and we've failed little boys and all this other stuff. And I'm like, man, just be a good person.

And then, like, if you like baseball, play baseball. You know what I mean? Like, if you want to hunt, hunt, and then be a good person. And then you'll be whatever this mythical fucking thing is that exists, you know, that does exist. I think I do. I mean, I thought before, like, to me, because sometimes speaking of Christians, I've had plenty of them over my life, find out I'm a non-believer and make the argument to me about it's like, you know, well, you know, how do you know not to fucking covet thy name?

or whatever the fuck how do you know not to do that you know without the good book how do you know fucking how to be a good person well there's another book right but also i've just always felt like uh all you really it's called the golden rule for a reason in my opinion i feel like that's all you really need like that all that is is empathy turned into like a phrase right or a way to or a way to conduct yourself it's just don't do anything that you wouldn't want done put yourself in that person's shoes and if you wouldn't want to be treated that way then fucking don't do it don't treat them that way or whatever and that's really all it should and i sometimes say that golden rule plus just mind your own business but mind your own business should fall under the golden rule to me

because you know you don't want people prior you know nose and around in your shit too but i feel like it's pretty simple that's basically and obviously you can expand it further and get more granular with it but at the highest level i feel like that's all anybody really needs and if you actually live by that you'll be a good person you'll be okay it's also just crazy that i mean i guess it has to do with the myopic view of like the bible being so much more important than other books but one thing that i do believe the the two things in the world of me that are like divine to me or or that i relate to divinity it's always been like music the way it makes me feel the way it makes other people feel and act but then also just like story in general uh there's this

something about consciousness and our ability to communicate through story that is both perverse when it comes to advertising and tricking people, but also beautiful when it comes to like instruction or connecting with someone. I mean, that's what art is to me. And the idea that, I mean, like, take the AI thing, for example, I feel like every day, and we've talked about this in the thread before, a new thing comes up where we're like, man, if only there was everything we've ever known about morality pointing against this every story every children's book that says this is the bad guy don't do this so my point being even if you're like there's no innate or obvious way to figure out how to be a good person without the bible there's other

fucking books every kid's book mother goose you know what i'm saying like that's not the only story like i can buy that you need a connection to a story to like help guide you in life there's just so many fucking well i've always interpreted more as that line like from true detective that i know we've talked about plenty of times over the years but it's like not just a story that it comes from or whatever but it's the idea that's like the thing that russ cole says or whatever it was like you know if the only thing keeping a man from you know doing bad deeds or doing evil or whatever is the desire for divine reward or whatever, then brother that man is a piece of shit or whatnot.

So the idea that's like, beyond just the book itself or the stories, that there's a God up there who like polices this, and that's the reason why you are good is because of that, as opposed to just, that's just the way you should be and the way you want other people to be to you and to your kids and to your wife and whatever else.

So like you don't need that. dude like i guess i was interpreting their question a little more i guess kindly which is not like the question of like how do you know kind of meaning like well how do you know what's right sometimes it's obvious right but sometimes it's not and i'm like fucking music lyrics you know again shakespeare like there's so many you can point to so many things where we've all been trying to communicate to each other the golden rule. We've done it so many different ways with so many different pieces of art

and instruction and media that like and then also there's plenty about there's plenty of pieces of media and stories about those times where you don't know where it is really hard and how hard that is on a person

and how you do the best you can and it's just like I don't know man if you can't see that you're either an idiot or you're trying to come up with an excuse to kind of be a thing. And then a lot of people, they do generally live by that in their own mind and don't think there's anything off about it because they don't apply that same logic or rule to other people.

Do you know what I mean? Or other types of people are like that that don't count because they're not, you know, well, they're bad or whatever or at least misguided and that type of thing. So that's why I don't have to apply this to them. Right. You know, it's not my fault. It's their fault. Yeah, right. Yeah.

Because they're whatever. Yeah. That's a more interesting existential question. So the golden rule is treat others how you would want to be treated, right? But what if they don't want to be treated the way you want to be treated? Right. I feel like that's still... You're doing your best, so, like, they'll get over it.

Well, it's just you don't... Yeah, I mean, I guess you could still... I'm just saying, like... Right. I see what you... I feel like big moral quandaries you'll mostly navigate okay using that, I think. But certain things, like just, I was literally just, this is not even a moral thing, but I was just on my Patreon yesterday, I somehow got into the whole thing talking about, like,

as a server, the different philosophies, like the servers that would be very, very bubbly. And hey, how you doing? I'm, thanks for coming in, that whole thing. And I never did that. And did it do what? Yeah, right. But I was always like, if I came into a restaurant, I don't want that. I don't, that don't hit for me.

So I just did like professionalism, right? which I think is another, like, appropriate approach to it. But you don't know what that other person want. Like to someone else, me being like, no, I'm going to treat this as a professional situation. It might make someone else feel like, is this guy, you know, a dick or this guy's cold or whatever? Because people respond to different things, different ways.

So, you know, it is complicated at the end of the day. But I feel like with big decisions, you know, you still pretty much get there. It's complicated. as a, like, exercise, maybe it isn't complicated in action because if you are treating people the way you want to be treated, that will turn some people off,

but that's okay. Like, if you're, if you generally want to be treated well, no one will think you're an asshole. Just some people will be like, oh, we don't, right. You know, like, I expect to be treated better or that's weird or whatever, you know what I mean? Because I think that really comes to pass, like, in relationships. Like, I think the golden rule in a relationship,

is just accept how your person loves you rather than love them the way that you would want to be like like I think you have to flip it I think I have to realize like Andy's not going to act the way I want her to all the time because she's not the same fucking person right yep well we solved all that here on this week's episode thank you all for listening come to Zanis and see the two of us and Cho all three together once again December what is it 18th through 20th is that right December 18th that's correct through the 20th, the Zanis in Nashville. And then also look at my other tour dates in

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So check it out. It's mostly going to be DJ talking about like Erica Kirk's fake tears, the way Candice Owens is now feuding with Ben Shapiro. DJ just, he talks about that the way like. a sort of stereotypical housewife talks about reality television. DJ loves it. Well, that's fun.

That sounds like it hits. Thanks for being here. I'm having some drainage. Fuck it. We don't need. Thank you all for listening to the well-read show. We love to stick around longer,

but you got to go. We got to go. Tune in next week if you got nothing to do. Thank you. God bless you. Good night and skew. Right, there it is. That's the rat version.

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