wellRED podcast -  Dear Lord What Do We Make of All This

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

This week the Cho very shrewdly bows out (nah he had other obligations but still, lucky him) as the conversation between Trae and Drew centers around, what else, all of the fallout from the murder of Charlie Kirk. The suspect, his motivations, the theories, the implications...all of that. And where better to get that information than from the brilliant minds over at the WellRED Podcast, ay? (Please for the love of God also get it from legitimate sources.)

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tell you what nobody wants to work anymore drew it's just it's shame we're like a we're like a wendy's around a modern day Wendy's around these parts you know can't get a can't get a full staff in here at any given point in time no i'm kidding cori's not with us for you listening only it's just being during this week i feel i think there's been one show with all three of us in what feels like two months to me because i've missed some you miss some and he's missed some so i was going to say no but i think that's pretty close because it was me i missed like a couple not back to back but in like three weeks or something a while back and then you had a stretch where you missed some and then Corey's throwing something in here or there.

So, but either way, we shall persevere. Here we are on this sunny September day. Everything bright and shant, bright and sunny and the birds are singing around the country, not like not overly tense or, you know, apocalyptic feeling and mood or tenor at all in America these days. people are upset yeah

what I don't realize how enmeshed in that world he was that's what Mark kept saying too Mark was like he was like I didn't realize how big of a deal he was

and I think that it's probably you know I mean obviously he was a he was a big deal like objectively but I'm saying that I'm sure there's a number of people that are acting a little bit. No, no, I'm saying

what happened is... Changes things, yeah. Changes things. Yeah, right, exactly. Like, just to sure there are plenty of people who don't really keep up with it that much or whatever, like it being politics,

who probably didn't even know who Charlie Kirk was and didn't know who most political figures were. But now, I'd say nearly all of them do because of what happened. So it's like that, you know, I don't know. Yeah. had to talk to my mom about it for, for like, weirdly for personal reasons, like to flesh out

a personal situation. My mother needed to know something about who Charlie Kirk was. And in explaining it to her, it occurred to me that this dude being or claiming to be, however you want to frame it, a Christian, really, I think, endeared him to a lot of people who aren't super political. All they knew about him was that he was a conservative, Christian who like guns and like Trump. And I think in that way, they feel like they were shot. Yeah. I mean, like, it's like, you know, this dude stood for what I stood for.

And now the radical left is trying to attack me, which is something that I've been warned about. Exactly. 35 goddamn years. Yep. And it's interesting, it feels irresponsible not to do what we're doing right now, to just like have a podcast with our background and what we do and not comment in some capacity. But DJ and I ran wild on Gravy Baby if you want to hear what the noidoids and the

tempils got going on. And that, and we, we said this during it. It feels irresponsible to do that too, but it's hard not to, even if you're not going to speculate, it's hard not to be like, one could speculate based upon some of these wild facts, some of which are circumstantial and some of which have to do with like the way it was pulled off. It's a very, you know, we've sit on here before. I'm so tired of living through history. But God damn, man. I really am. And I got a joke off that went kind of viral and I've been, I've been in the trenches of it. It's ugly out there. I know. I'm not going to lie.

I said this on like skews too, because obviously me and Mark have been talking about it also. But the like, yeah, I'm like freaked out. I mean, I made the reason I was a little late today and this episode will be a little bit short is because I was like about to record a video. And in that too, it's like, I don't know, trying to be diplomatic, trying to walk on eggshells because it's like the tender of this feels different to me. And I've never been one to, I feel like, to shy away from, you know, poking fun at the or whatever.

But like, I just, you know, I'm probably on any number of lists as it is. And I just don't really want to be added to more if I can help it or, you know, have my like passport revoked or fucking God knows what. Like I, like it's just like truly potentially wild right now in the way that definitely does actually freak me out. So basically the thing I kind of what you were saying about the speculating. I'm mostly focused on the guy, the guy being the shooter or whatever. And just that before anything at all.

was known about him, you know, that immediate assumption. They were just like, we, you know, we will catch the black trans, Antifa gang member, socialist, you know, who did this or whatnot. And then of course, and I say of course, just because it's like, it's a public shooter. Of course, it's a young white dude who apparently spent a lot of time on the internet, whatever else the facts are, like that much. And so, and then then the fallout from Matt and then like just making fun of some of the, assumptions that were made

or the rationalizations they're trying to do while also trying to be like because it's still not all like determined yet. So I also don't want to put my foot in my mouth too much. You mean like you idiots thought he was this but he's this because it's like I feel like like a lot of these guys who will do things like this. It's probably not

super clean cut either way probably. Well I mean Luigi was a conservative gun owning like classic you know America should be a certain way right-wing guy who on one particular issue was like we've let corporate greed run amuck and almost like almost like um it almost felt like with luigi almost the way like a christian

would really like not not kill but like tear into a televander televangelist with with with louis it kind of felt like, and as someone like that, it's my responsibility to take the fucking trash out. So to your point, it wasn't very cut and dry because that was a very, I guess, left view manifesto or paragraph Luigi Mangione wrote, but from the perspective of someone who was both right wing and the way that they grew up, and then by American terms, right wing in terms of like how we're going to deal with this problem. there's definitely a way I could cast this guy in the same light right now

based on what I just learned from Mark but I'm still even that I mean again if you want to hear me really speculate guys of course this was three days ago you can go listen to my episode with DJ on gravy baby but like dude I'm I have been driven insane by reality

sure I just don't think he did this by himself man it just don't make no sense they're showing his kid jump off a roof with no gun in his hand so they're saying they put half of it in his bag and stuff the other one down his pants but then they found it in the woods completely assembled so he reassembled it and then hit it in the wood we got no pictures of him i'm just like i don't know bro well let me so first of all about mark like we did a bonus episode a patreon episode skews on friday and then we recorded today's episode we recorded today's episode we recorded it yesterday and in that intervening time like on friday mark was very much on you know he's still like he covered his bases or whatever he wasn't just outright calling it like this but he was saying like you

know it looks like this guy is what they call a groiper right which i knew what broopers were already i thought that for a long time whatever and he was like he seemed to very much in the camp of like it's pointing in this direction but then even by yesterday and like by now that also has been muddied at best like that might that's not that's also not clean cut so it's like again and who even knows. So that's like in the video I made, I basically I was just like, we just don't know.

You know, what if he, again, what if he's just like some internet edge lord who just did it for the lulls or whatever? And imagine the implications of sending that kind of message to those guys that like, because you know the whole, and I didn't get into all this because that's like I got to fucking fit it all in

in less than three minutes. We talked about on skews too. But like a lot of the narrative about like school shooters and shit for years. And a proven thing for some of them was that like, you know, it was about like, it was so gross, but like high score and body count

and notoriety and infamy and like winning and headlines and all that. So like the guys that are who would consider doing that type of thing, like sending the message to them, like the implicit message to them that like, like you want to really fucking burn shit down and make headlines and catch it

and fuck shit up and catch everybody's eyes. Like, do something like this, you might literally start an actual civil war. You know, like if those dudes get it in their head that this is something that works that way, it's like that's a real fucking dangerous

precedent. And he might not be that. He might be one. He might be the other. It might just, again, pardon me for disagreeing, but if the school shooter type stop shooting kids and start shooting rich, powerful people, even if they're on the left, I would

darkly consider that a slight, I won't say step in the right direction, but maybe a look, maybe a nod in the right direction. And I don't want anyone to take that as me saying, well, that's good. I'm just saying that if what you're suggesting is that those types of crazy people see this and they go, oh, I'll get way more notoriety from shooting someone like that than I will kids, I'm, I'm, it's, I'm not going to say I'm okay with that, because I'm okay with any of this, but I'm not upset about it. Well, what the full context of it is considering

the way that this country so far has reacted to this and the implications that if this became like a trend and happened more and more whatever, where that could ultimately lead. Yeah, but think about what you're saying.

Like you're saying it makes me nervous, though, because we might end up in a civil war over a podcaster dying, not over all the kids that died at Sandy Hook. What I'm about to say is very dark, but like, Like, how they were leading there? We're there.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, that might be true. Yeah, obviously, I don't, you know. We're an insane, crazy, sick place. Right. Are you familiar with the sociological phrase or maybe to anthropology, hypernormalization? I mean, you know that I've heard it and I'm sure I could get there probably.

There's a documentary of the same title by Adam Curtis, which is what made the phrase super popular, like in pop culture. But it originated from, I think, a sociologist, maybe a psychologist who was studying to become a doctor and eventually did kind of at the fall of the USSR. And he was basically trying to figure out psychologically how you go from just like having a normal place to live. And then three months later, there's breadlines. Oh, right. And no one, and everyone's like, they're not okay with it, but they're like, yeah, it's like the frog and the boiling water thing. But it only took three months.

Right. There. And I think that part of that is you don't know, right? Like if you've been hyper normalized, a big part of that would be not realizing how weird this all is. This country is so weird. There were two school shootings the same. day. We've been hyper normalized to violence

to the point, I mean, even the joke that I did make, which was not at the expense of it was at the expense of the dude being a dickhead. I sit in there to have nothing but empty for his family. That's how I turned in the joke. But even that, I was looking at it and I'm like, I guess I don't think I'd make that joke five

years ago. Like, I do think that my brain even thought something funny because of how normalize. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. For me, getting to a funny place, I have to find it funny. I'm not one of those who can do you know what I mean?

I have to write about what I already found funny and then make the audience understand why I think it's funny. We've been hyper-normalized to this stuff. I mean, to the point where we're all expected it. We're all expecting some sort of like weird retaliation. I think that's why people have complained about us all playing hot potato, Oh, he's right wing because his family's MAGA and he owns guns. Oh, he's left wing because he has a trans girlfriend.

I don't know about anyone else. I think for me and the people that I know on the left, most people are playing hot potato with him because they know retaliation's coming if they can figure out how to pin this on the left. No, I know. That's not like feeling better about it. No, no, no. That's one of the things I said in the video that I just typed right before we got on here

was I said like, I was like, I'm not saying the dude's far right either necessarily. We just don't know yet. I was like both sides seem so desperate right now for him to be part of the opposition. Now, to me, it feels like the right wants him to be left so that they can feel justified in green lighting pickup truck pogroms. And the left wants him to be right so that hopefully there are no pickup truck pogroms. You know, so I don't really think that's exactly the same thing. we don't know about this dude you know and then i went into the whole like what if he's just a fucking four chan you know fuckhead basically it's it's it's like i don't want to say both i'm not

like being a centrist about this it's america right like that's what this that's what made this kid and i do think the american riot and fox news bears a lot of responsibility for that i don't want to shy away from that i think that's true and that's how i feel But this is America. This is before Trump. You know, these are symptoms of the same cause kind of thing. I'll say for me personally, too, I'll add this. And again, he goes back to what I'm saying.

There's like, you don't want to be irresponsible. I share that feeling of like, man, I really, I hope he's right wing because it'll be harder for them, I think, to like what I feel like's coming. At the very least, I just don't want it to end up. being like pretty transparently some left wing motivated shit like you know because of that reason. It's like I said it's not a scoreboard

thing. Right, right. I have no qualms about feeling that way. I'm not shying away from that but this next part I say with like I don't like the feeling of like of that. There's a helplessness in that that

as a grown up I feel very averse to which is not to say that I'm like about to wear those t-shirts and put my gun on my hip and tell them to fuck around and find out but i hate this notion of like like is that what is separating us from fascism right now whether or not this kid did it for this reason or that reason and if so then fascism's here and i need to prepare for that does that make sense yeah like it's it's wild that like i hope that this kid was a groiper and that was a stronger motivation than his, I think, trans girlfriend

we seem to be learning. Yeah, but that was nothing to it. It's like at first people, I say people like people on Reddit, other leftists of acting like that was, oh, that's bullshit. That's being falsely reported or whatever, but as I understand it, no, that's at least somewhat seemingly true, at least partially. There is a real roommate who I guess really is transitioning or something. And, you know, as far as the extent of their relationship or any of that, you know, who

the hell knows, but it's at least partially a real thing. But even that's like what they, like it's just the fact that they found a trans person adjacent to this story, you know, that just sucks on its own because they just, you know, immediately wanted it to make it about that, especially after that other shooting a couple weeks ago, one of the only ones that they cared about because it happened to be a trans person or ex trans person or whatever. And, you know, they're like less than 0.1% of all actual. or public shootings. And, but still, you know, they jump straight to that conclusion and end up finding one who has nothing to do with it.

And I even, you know, but still, just that it's there at all that that element is present. It's like, it's just a real fucking shame. But another thing I pointed out in the video about that was like, even that, look, maybe it is. Maybe love that trans roommate dearly. And that's totally, or at least a huge part of why I did it. Again, we don't know. But like, even just having like a secret trans girlfriend or whatever that don't, you know, like it gets studies show all the time that like, you know, trans porn is more popular. And it's R&C grinder.

Yeah, goes, yeah, gets, what's the word for it? D-Dost or whatever. It gets overloaded. And then, but yeah, and trans porn is more popular in red states and all that stuff with all the repression and shit like that. I mean, even that doesn't necessarily mean anything. But they just going back to now that we're kind of deeper into it, going back to that point you were making where I like jumped off about Luigi, you know, having this sort of right wing mentality about how to take care of shit, but then have this one left wing view about corporations and health care. This is total speculation. But, I mean, it would be extra American if this was a kid raised by gun owners, MAGA people, people who walked around talking about fuck around and find out.

out and that like seeped into him but then he was given something to fight for by meeting this person and having empathy for them and seeing what they experienced that would just be no part of me would get joy at that I don't want to come across like that but that would just be very American at this moment it would be like okay so we can't blame it I mean I know who would get blamed but we still we truthfully couldn't like point too many fingers I don't know it's just because I feel like some people might think it was like they kind of brush past that whole thing, even though I know you said, hey, I went into it deeply on Gravy Baby. But to circle back a little bit, you said, I don't think he did this alone. Are you going full board like conspiracy theory, meaning like what? Like he's a patsy or it's a got like an op or something like that because I have some immediate questions. I mean like in terms of what I'm willing to like say or like.

I don't know. I mean it's like a group of guys. I'm not afraid to say anything. I don't want to come across like real dramatic. It's just more of like, you know, being irresponsible. I have an inability to believe that he did this alone considering this wild number of coincidences, including the gun thing that I just referenced, including that person who just started screaming in the middle of it.

Shoot me, shoot me. They put their pants fell. down, the old pap all that got arrested, there's just a lot of like things like that that just make it impossible for me to believe that they're all coincidences, but I'm completely unable to do anything with that. Another thing I'll say, this terrible FBI apparatus we've got going on, they're working triple overtime to make this not a right wing. I know, I was going to bring that up too.

that's what I was going to add that was one of my logical question because I didn't know I didn't know if you were implying it was some kind of like false flag Reichstag government conspiracy thing or whatever and I was going to say that's what they were doing it if that's why they were doing it don't you think they would have manufactured the motivation to be way more cut and dry or whatever he would get a nasty though right yes and you and you're also assuming competence because if they did that in this case it probably wouldn't be the CIA it would be the FBI which is currently completely a wreck. But it is very, like, now we're just like, it's fun. It's really fun to do this. It really is. It's addictive. But I just, I'm just having a hard time with all these coincidences. If you want to say, all what are you doing with that?

I got a few. None of them are fun. You know, if you said the Reichstag thing, I think it'd be more likely, Jesus Christ, now we're a very different podcast. But to me, it'd be way more likely that it's like some of the surveillance tech bro shit than like just Trump fascism. Now, those coalesc. I don't want to be misunderstood here, but if it's a false flag, it was motivated by money. I mean, Planetzer already has the government contract, but to do what?

Well, maybe start making a lot of lists. gathering a lot of fucking data. Right. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, it would be like a sort of like Patriot Act type of thing that would presumably happen that they,

that Palantir would benefit greatly from passage. Whatever the fuck his name is. Yeah. Right. Yeah. They tried very hard to make that a whole thing. Right. And it was clearly what they were wanting to use as justification.

for taking over DC. Even people on the right were like, yeah, we don't care, but they still took over DC. Again, I say it's irresponsible, but it's irresponsible not to bring some of this shit up because we're pretty far down the rung with the taking over of cities, with the planetare contract,

with Donald Trump saying wildly insane things as soon as this shooter happened. With Donald Trump, joking about people wanting a dictator. This doesn't even have to be an op for you to put in your head right now. They're going to use it to justify something crazy. Oh, well, yeah.

Well, that part, again, I think that's what everyone, not everyone who's anywhere on the left and probably a bunch of just general normies too, I would think, if that part is what everybody's so scared of, you know, because that seems like just a foregone conclusion. Right. And speaking of Normies, I was talking about, my niece, she messaged me because of the joke I did and was like, this is the only one I've laughed at.

I haven't found any this funny. I find it all scary. And she was like, honestly, I feel like all my opinions sound insane. And I was like, what do you mean? And she was like, none of this makes sense. I feel like, and then it was just like this long list of conspiracy theories. And then she was like, please understand this is not the person that I am. And it's like, yeah, we're all gotten so used to be in lied to and everything that does or doesn't happen, be in turn. We're in a post-truth world. And spin is everything. So we're nuts. We're a bad culture. And we're victims of that. We all are. That's a, that's a truth. So even if it's crazy for me to say, also, Trey, we have to consider how Charlie was really taking a turn on Israel lately. Yeah, I knew that was going to come up.

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it for minutes in the lead up to that and I was like well fuck it the whole where else is it going to get like the whole what else we're going to talk about the whole episode is going to be like this what else you're supposed to talk about almost so like it is what it is it was it's just so wild I imagine as you said for everybody I'm sure there are people I mean a buddy of mine described an Alex Jones ad read that he was listening to into kind of like for entertainment like he went to Alex Jones would be like god damn if everything's wild let's hear how wild Alex is kind of thing

he was saying he spun into a sponsor right in the middle of like calling everyone gay and how the trans demons are after red of thunberg we all know that she's a demon spawn from hell sponsored by Soros we can't kill her because then she'd become a martyr and that's exactly what the left wants and you know what else I've been thinking about lately and it was just like literally something called blue goo blue goo yeah is that

is that some sort of like dick something. I don't think it's a big. Virility or brain. It makes both your brain and your dick hit somehow. Both your heads. Yeah. Both your head.

It's in the blue. Double head action. So yeah, I do think it's like, honestly, to me, not that I, you know, I can get way too esoteric with it.

That is highlighting exactly what I'm talking about, about how insane and bad of a culture we are. That our space to have these conversations, and I'm genuinely very proud to provide one for the people who have been fans of ours and follow us for a long time. But like the way our system works, we have to break for these sponsors. Like, there's no other way to do this sustainably. Right.

And so it's just like, it feels dystopian to be like, anyway, I've been telling you guys to buy guns since I did, Tennessee as a drag. Very proud of that. It came out a year and a half ago. we are falling faster into fascism. You should be prepared for that at least mentally, if not literally, and also dick pills. It's dystopian. Israeli kuskos. I wonder what they used to call that 60 years ago.

Yeah, you're right. Presumably it has been around for quite some time since like, although, to be fair, with the way like food strains and plants and stuff work, it may be that because I, that's a good point. I don't know if you know the differences in kuskos, but like, the main type of cuss-coes that people think of when they think of cuss-coes, I'm actually not a huge fan of. But what HelloFresh at least calls Israeli cuss-coes, like I said, they're little pearls, so like pearl-shaped cuss-coes.

I love that shit. So what I'm saying is it's possible to do. It's really like a girl makes it more likely for them to kill a kid, like it'll choke on it. I don't know. Well, they're very small pearls. So, yeah, this whole episode is hitting less and less for Hello, Fred. It's so funny, I chose to bring that up. It genuinely is one of my favorite things.

I think they probably would have stopped this. as soon as the ad was over, had you not been like, well, we had to do that. And then I thought of that and I did it anyway. I did it anyway. Yeah. But I think that should be the ad or the, what's the word I'm looking for? Trailer for this episode, the clip. Yep, yep.

But with all the conspiracy theory stuff, any version of it, I mean, like you said, you threw a couple out there and it's like, I definitely can see the logic in all of them. And I know you already said, you're like, well, you're assuming. incompetence and that's weak because generally with most conspiracy theories my like generic across the board take if you're talking about governmental conspiracy theories and stuff has always been like I think that the you know quote unquote real conspiracy and a lot of other people say this too Mark included is that the government is actually you know far too stupid and incompetent to really pull most of that shit off like inside of that we have this frustrates me when I talk to

Mark about it too because he'll reference a conspiracy that's failed. Right. They see what I mean? And I'm like, so they're doing them. Right. We know they're doing them.

Yeah. Yeah, but I don't know all of them. And what I mean is like a lot of the biggest ones are like, I just, the other thing is, you know, what do they say? What's the cliche about like,

oh, three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead. And I'm sure there's a lot of other such cliches. But the idea that like so many of them like the moon landing and those ones that were like just fun. and mostly harmless, I thought, like, years ago, and some of them still are, I guess, harmless. But they were like, just the number of people that would have to be, like, involved and keep that secret is just not something I believe is possible. I had a little about that.

I used to say that if they kept the moon landing being fake secret that long, that's more impressive than going to the moon. Right. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I'm more proud of my country for doing that than I am going. The way people are with, like, tell all book deals and shit, the moment. their foot is out the door and that type of thing. Like just that alone.

It could also be, though, that if they started going on their route, they get shot. It could also be that, like, no one believed them. Yeah. It could be in any number of things. Look, I don't think that the FBI or the CIA had anything, like, had anything to do with it. I think it would be a outside government or a private, But that all sounds nuts to me.

The only reason I'm in this space, the only reason I'm in this space is it was the weird shit. The weirdest fucking thing. Yeah. So, I mean, I'll be honest. Like, Thursday night when they still hadn't caught him yet, me and Donnie were about to do a show in Buffalo, and I was in the green room talking about how, like,

up until they caught him, I was like, I didn't have any elaborate, you know, as far as the why of it all or the inner workings or anything. But I was like, dude, this really does. seem like, because I saw the videos of the hand signal guys and the dude in the crowd fucking looking back to the, you know, like whatever, all that stuff. And then people talking about the shot and all this shit. And the fact that he was gone, like the, at that point in time, they had nothing. And I was like, I was like, I think this was some kind of hit, like an actual

hitman. I was like, I didn't know that people like, people like the jackal like actually existed. But this seems like something like that actually happened because this just. isn't ever what happened. Like, they haven't caught him. They, all this other weird shit. I was like, somebody hired an actual, like, globe-trotting elite assassin to kill Charlie Kirk. That's what I thought happened Thursday night.

But as soon as, and I know the concept of Patsy and all that exists, but as soon as they caught the guy and, or really even just that, the fact that they, like, caught him and, uh, you know, there wasn't,

it, it didn't seem to be obviously we still don't know his motivations and all that stuff but it was like they had the camera footage or whatever and then they caught this dude and apparently like his dad turned him in or convinced himself to turn him in and his family is like giving interviews and shit his grandma's talking about how they're mag and all this stuff then i started thinking like okay well i don't know i guess it was another it's the butler guy except this guy didn't miss you know uh but and obviously that's overly simplistic but like that butler guy Mark brought this up too. The Butler, Pennsylvania guy that missed

Trump's here or whatever. And I know there's plenty of conspiracy theories about that too. But like that guy, the story on that guy is like, oh yeah, he was traditionally right wing and all this stuff. But in his phone, this is what Mark told me. In his phone, they found, you know, in his search history, he had typed in, is Donald Trump

or Joe Biden speaking anywhere near me in like the next door? And so, I'm saying, I don't know that. There's a, again, it's so darkly funny to me.

And this is kind of what we're saying about the how bad and crazy things are. What you're saying is there's some young people out there. You're like, look, I'm fucking killing somebody. Right. Yeah. And I'm saying, I'm not like, like putting money on this guy being that. I'm saying it's at least a somewhat plausible, like, possibility here is that it's another version of that type of thing because those dudes are out there. all over the fucking 4-Cham boards and shit

all across the basements of this country. If I didn't know anything about the details, I guess is how I'll say it. I would be 100% with that at this point. If I didn't know anything about the, what am I trying to say? Technical details of the day. If I just knew the background stuff, I'd be 100% with that. As it stands, I'm 40% with that at least, 45. Maybe it'll be 60 by tomorrow.

Maybe by the end of this podcast, I'll be like, yeah, you're right. But there's just a few things I can't let go of. that are just so very odd. Why was that dude screaming to shoot me? Yeah, I don't. He seemed in on it to me. He is a big part of the reason that whoever did it got away probably. Right.

The guy that's the same old guy with his pants down? I think so, but I know there was two people making a ruckus, and I don't know anything about the other one. Yeah. I should also say to everyone out there, I have not done a great amount of research. And that's not because I'm like, let me fly by the seat of my pants and then throw these theories out there. It's just like, I'll get too wound up. You know what I mean?

When I say I haven't done a lot of research, I mean I haven't crossed verified. I'm not talking out of my ass. I've seen the video of the dude jumping off the roof. I did come up with my own counter to my own argument about the gun. Maybe he reassembled the gun in the woods out of self-defense. like, well, they're going to come in here and I'm going to shoot some of them. And then they never came and he abandoned it. But it's weird.

And then also the bullet case and things. I mean, that kind of goes to your point. Like those memes that this dude's referencing are like hyper online. Crazy. From the nihilistic. Yeah. One of them, though, is some people say very associated with the 09A. Are you familiar with the 09A?

No, not even Mark has brought this up to me yet. I don't believe. The only reason to bring them up is just because it's scandalous, which is just very unhealthy. I'm like, I'm acknowledging that. But again, we live in insane times. The 09A are a far-right Nazi pagan loose international organization. Oh, wait. No, yes.

Aren't they the ones that they were, it did some shit in California? They were like behind some. Yeah, I'm sorry. Supposedly, the Minnesota guy who killed the Democratic senators was like at the very least influenced by some of their stuff. Mark would be so furious if you heard that this because, of course, Mark me, Mark. he's been all over the 09A I guess is that short for some is there a longer name order of the nine angels okay see I think I think he mostly has just called him that

so I didn't put the two and two together but yes no Mark's all over those fucking and I don't think anyone's I don't think many people are saying like this is a group of people who are going around killing people most people are saying this is an insane it's like the new 4chan kind of like this is a place where people are getting some real crazy ideas and if they're already susceptible to that, what's your great line?

You can't tell someone that crazy, something that. Expect them not to do something. I think there's definitely a lot of reasonable people going, man, because the shooter in Colorado Springs, that we've only mentioned once, happened the same day, also had been apparently their search history or something about them. It seemed like they had come across

or been reading stuff from the, the 09A. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Right. That's the, again, at first, not at first, but when, you know, the first, like, chunk of purported details about the guy came out, read it and also Mark were very much like 100% Groyper.

This guy's Groyper, whatever. Yeah, me too. For the record. Yeah. Well, I mean, no, I believed it. I bought it. It's like I said. It's just, I, by the way, I'm still not completely cold on that.

That he wasn't. I understand some of the connections were way more tangential than. we thought. Right. But I'm still not completely convinced because the groopers are wildly racist, but some of them are very progressive about like trans stuff. Yeah, it's like as long as you're white, you're good to go with a lot of those folks. They're not like Jesus don't like this.

In fact, that's a big problem with them in Charlie Kirk. Yeah, I mean, I mean, he's too soft on people and they think his religion is what has made him. right yeah i knew that they had a problem and also you know i mean even even flintez himself they're like lear whatever he in those hours and all that was happening he like publicly said it was like you know we or my followers whatever are are getting blamed for this or going to get blamed for this and i just want to disavow all whatever so i mean the point being like even he saw the shit that had been reported up to that point it was like yeah that does seem like probably one of my

One of my guys. He's also wildly talented. That's something that I want people to understand too. Kirk, you know, the people were calling him very charismatic and I've got some issues with that word in this context. But Kirk had a bigger following, but that's because he had way more normal views. Yeah, right. He had like pretty run-of-the-mill racism, homophobia, et cetera, et cetera.

Nick Fuentes is insane. Right. He's so charming and good at being insane. that he has this big following. And take what you what you want to from that. I'm just saying like someone really charming and has very, very insane views. I don't know, man. There's this thing going on inside me right now.

I think it's like, honestly, it kind of comes from like being a dad and like growing up a lot in the last two years. But like I think it's both widely irresponsible to do what I'm doing right now because it's fun and it's like unhealthy. It's like let's speculate. but I also think it would be irresponsible to not acknowledge that. None of this is normal. Whatever the truth is, is insane. Whatever version of this is real, or if it's something we haven't quite pinned down yet,

it's crazy. We are sick. And I don't say that like in a Nancy Grace way and like, now let's go out and foment. We, again, I just sound like a dad, I guess, but like it's fucking sad, man. yeah it is and it's also sucks that there's and we've known this for a long time but there's no like real like integrity or intellectual honesty or self-awareness or any of that type of thing on big chunks of the right as far as like yeah they have no qualms whatsoever about like free speech being possibly eradicated right now for people on the left who disagree with them they're pissing all over charlie curts right yes exactly they are like by the letter of the words and everything. They're like just going against so many of the things that they, you know.

I don't like Charlie Kirk. And I think he's a bit of a grifter in a lot of ways, like the whole debate bro thing. But he's been pretty principled. I mean, in fact, if you want to roll into my Schmysreal theory, he's been pretty principled on that while it's, anyway, my point is, they're pissing on his breath. Right. Yeah. Clay Higgins has been like, I think I said his name right. He's like, we're making a list of everyone who made a joke. Right. You know, blah, blah, blah.

And, I mean, I'm definitely on it. It's about time as a comedian I've made a list. But yeah, that's what, and it's also like, you know, an American president, you would think that a person with that job would at least be on the side of like, I think that Americans should not, you know, be at each other's throats in the streets and be this. bite it or whatever but our this president we have is just like he literally said i don't care i don't care at all about you know unity or any of that basically they deserve it they they caused this and they deserve it you know it's like yeah it's uh it's really it's really scary i think get a

gun and get your passport in order is not that inflammatory of the thing to be saying to people you care about i also think and i've said this with dj like we could ride through real dark fascism, Trump trying to get a third term, and plenty of people in this country's lives could barely change outside of whatever they're looking at their phone because we're just a huge country. And like, you know,

even if you become a dictatorship, somebody's got to buy the Coca-Cola. Yep, yep. You know, but I don't imagine myself going out like that. Yeah, I don't know. That two-year-old makes me think maybe I will. Speaking of going out like that, That where are you going soon, Drew?

Are you going out in the world? First of all, let me say to the people who came out to New Orleans, appreciate y'all. We had like a two-week window to promote that because I replaced our buddy, Daniel Van Kirk. I don't know why he dropped out of the weekend. He had something going on. So thank you, everyone who came out.

I'll say it on here. No one there will hear it. I'm on the fence about doing Sam Talents. festival. I'll make it very clear soon, guys. If I do it, I'm going to do Memphis, and then I'll be in Bentonville, Arkansas, back to back at the very beginning of October.

I think it's like literally the first and then the third and the fourth or something like that. But I'm off for a little while. Otherwise, we got our show in Nashville coming up. If anything changes, I'll make an announcement. I'm thinking about going to Atlanta in November, but I'm taking her easy. all right well i'll be in ohio at the end of this month last weekend of this month with

a long time contributor to this universe Travis irvine senior ohio good buddy he always comes with me on that run it's always a good time so uh yeah see you there ohio and then after that a bunch of other stuff you know too in the future virginia uh oklahoma city dallas nashville with cor and drew at the end of the year Madison and Milwaukee in the middle of that and then i got a bunch of dates at 2026 i already ready to Sacramento, South Carolina, a bunch of them. Just go to tricrouter.com and check them out and come see me. And Drew, I know you got a heart out.

You can go ahead and go, I promise I'm not going to say anything about you. I'm going to, like, ramble on for another three or four minutes by myself, just because 50 feels short and then I feel bad, and it's my fault. So you can sign off. As soon as I get off here, it's right? Dear FBI. Yeah, I am disavowing. I know his address.

I know it. Yeah. I promise. All right. See you, buddy. Yeah, he told me that, you know, he had a heart out and I knew that and I still disrespected his time by arriving late. I like to do that, disrespect people's time and just them in general. That's not true. It's a joke. It's just I've gotten horrible at time management. It's funny because I used to really get on to my sister's ass when we were like kids in high school and stuff because I'd drive us both to school or whatever and she'd make me late for shit. Used to drive me up the wall. I was like, ah, respect people's time. Be. you know, like be prompt, be punctual. And I don't know when I lost my way with that. I don't know. I'm still not that bad, but I think most of my friends would tell you that,

you know, I've got a bit of a, a bit of a tardy streak in me as well, unfortunately. It doesn't transfer over to like shows and stuff. You come to see me on the road or whatever, unless something happens that prevents me from being there, I'll be there and I'll be on time. I'm not late to that type of shit.

It's just, hey, we're going to start recording it, three or whatever. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, got it. And it's 304. And I'm like, I'm good now. I'm signing on. I'm signing on right now. I'm logging on.

Like, time just gets away from your boy. What do you want me to say? Anyway, yeah, like Drew was saying, it's weird. The whole thing is obviously very weird. Phil's irresponsible in both directions. You don't know what to say. It's one of those things. It's like, well, you could just say nothing.

Like, I also always feel like, I don't know if narcissistic is the right word. But the idea that's like, well, you know, obviously I have to say something. It's like, no, I don't. I'm very small potatoes. But I still do have. you know a following like people the people who do follow me definitely you know expect me to have some kind of take or whatever but with this one it's hard to know what it should be so i just kind of the video that i've made but not yet posted that i'm about to go post by the time this

podcast is out if you've looked for that video you will have seen it already but it was basically just me like i said tried to make a little bit of fun of the whole you know antifa super soldier assassin witch hunt thing that happened while then also being like we don't know this guy's motivation and ultimately it shouldn't matter what his motivation was he's one dude with a gun

and that's you know one guy with a gun should never have the power to rip apart you know an empire or whatever 250 years in the making so you know I know it's a real sturdy limb I'm going out there just are going out on there just like a general call for unity

or whatever but I just did know what to say. Like I said, this is like I told Drew and I told Mark two on skews. Like this is the first time I've ever been like I'm not going to say like a fray. I'm not like scared, but like freaked out and worried for sure. I mean, of course I've been worried at many points over the years over the past, you know, since 2016. But like this past week has been the time that I've been the most like, oh shit like fucking because it's not just like pissed off people online being like I'll fucking ruin your life or whatever. It's like I mean, I don't want to do with that either but it ain't just that again it's the president been like yeah yeah it's

you know it's coming fuck unity it's like implying that it's his ag saying like we're gonna start charging people for hate speech we know in hate speech in this case it's just is what what is that so just saying that like you know it's not cool to want trans people to not exist is that hate speech to say that that, you know, fucking dehumanizing, like, trans people to call that hate speech, that is hate speech, actually. And that's what to get you thrown in jail. I mean, that's the assumption, right? Like, just wild shit.

And, uh, I don't know. So, yeah. It's a little shithead. They've gotten that jail cell out there in Utah. Really through a match on a fucking Tinder box, a tender box filled with fucking, napalm and mortar shells. But so thanks for that, buddy. But anyway, we'll fucking, again, just as it always,

often is the case with these. Like I said, I've been signing off without even thinking to her being about it, just organically signing off of both a lot of my, like, the longer YouTube versions of my rant videos, but also seemingly every episode of skews, is some version like, yeah, fucking sure is crazy. Sure is worry.

sure is upsetting and hey it's not over yet so guess we'll see how it goes thanks for watching but i mean what else you're going to say god damn anyway thanks for listening to well-read uh podcast you know again this this sort of shambolic version of it over the past few weeks i think we'll get back to normalcy at some point in their future but you know this thing keeps things fresh you never know which pairing you're going to get on here uh lately but i'm sure Soon we can get the whole three-headed monster. It is the well-red fellers back in full effect. And, you know, we can document the end times as one.

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