wellRED podcast - Evening Skews - August 11, 2020

Episode Date: August 15, 2020

In this week's only episode of Evening Skews (I explain the dumbassery at fault for there being only one episode in my intro), me and Smart Mark get in depth as hell on Biden's selection of Kamala Harris for his VP candidate. What do people think about it? Why do they think it? Are they dumb for thinking it? Just how dumb? These answers and more, plus a look at the fate of college football this fall and interactions with the audience and all that good stuff, on this edition of Evening Skews. Thankee. 

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Howdy y'all. So here's the deal. You're about to hear the here in just a few short minutes. You're going to hear the Tuesday, August 11th episode of evening skews, the audio of it, of course. um, wherein me and Smart Mark get thoroughly into Biden selection of Kamala Harris as his running mate. We also do a little talking about the state of college football and how that's going to go

and we take some questions and all that good stuff. And in my, uh, my completely unbiased opinion, it's a pretty damn good episode. Um, and then, uh,

that's, that's going to be the end of, uh, of this particular episode during the more after that. As you are aware, if you've listened to the, past few of these what I've been doing at least so far is I've been combining the whole weeks worth of audio into one podcast file just so I'm not clogging up the well read

podcast channel um so I put Tuesdays and Thursdays on the same on the same file back to back um but this week it's just Tuesday if you've been listening you wonder what the hell's up with that it's not you nothing's off nothing's fucked up I mean something fucked up but it was maybe fucked up. There is no Thursday episode of the evening skews for the week of August 11th. Because what had happened was I ordered a bunch of shit, not super expensive stuff, but I ordered like a new fancy, like internet computer and some adapters and downloaded programs and all this stuff in an effort to be able to do like a

air quotes studio version of evening skews for me and smart mark to be in the same room at the same time um doing the show and it took me while to get all that set up and it took me even longer for my computer dumbass to um wrap my head around the technical aspects of it but i finally thought i was ready to go for last thursday's episode right so mark drives over here to my place we go to the uh the studio space that i've fixed up um there was some minor hiccough us before that but I got but I figured them all out I was so proud of myself like he got here early we're doing like technical stuff and it was it kept fucking up and I was like of course it is because I'm computer dumb but I figured it out though I got it all together and then came time

six o'clock clicked the go live button to go live on Facebook and just just a little smart ass error message popped up said nope can't do that don't let it it. What it actually said was error broadcasting stream or whatever the hell to Facebook. So, of course, I'm in a blind panic now. I close it out. I restart the whole thing. I try it again. I restart Zoom. I restart Facebook. I restart every goddamn thing. Nothing works. Now it's 10 minutes late. The show is supposed to have started 10 minutes ago, but there's nothing there. I haven't warned anybody or nothing because I didn't know anything to warn them about. So we finally break down and decide to just say fuck it and to do the show the same way we have. done every other show which is him from his laptop on his webcam me from my Mac on my

webcam right but we're in the same building we're just going to be at two separate rooms like face-timing with each other as though we weren't in the same building because we didn't know what else to do but importantly doing it this way meant that everything was now back to the exact same settings and all that as we had used every other time before so i had no doubt in my mind that it would work this I was real pissed off about all my new fancy shit not working and having to do this. But I had no doubt my mind that this would work, though. Why wouldn't it? It's what we've done every other time.

So we sit down to do that. We're about 15, 20 minutes late at this point. What are you going to do? Get everything set up the normal way the way we've done it every time. Click the button. Error. Don't hit. Cannot broadcast stream to Facebook.

Restart all that shit. Try it all that again. Still wouldn't work. Still, right now, don't know. We're 18 hours later, I still ain't got a fucking clue what happened, and it's still very much just not hit for me. But eventually, I just had to call it. We made a little explanation video and posted that on there. But, yeah, that episode got canceled, and it was going to be a good one.

I know it was going to be a good one. But, I don't know. We'll come back with the righteous fury next Tuesday. But, yeah, I just wanted to put this little brief message on the front here in case anybody was wondering if somehow Thursday was erroneously left off or you missed it or whatever. No, it don't exist. It don't exist because I'm computer dumb and the internet hates me. But Tuesdays does exist and it was a good episode too. And so without further ado, here is Tuesday, August 11th episode of Eveniskews with me, Trey Crowder and Smart Mark Aegee.

Thank you guys for listening. Love you, see you bye. Yes, sir. Yes, it is. Here we are, Mark. Welcome back, everybody. Howdy. I'm Trey Crowder.

That's Mark Aegee. This is evening skews. Today is Tuesday, August 11th. And as everybody knows, the big. news of the day. We got a VP candidate. Kamala Harris. Joe Biden finally made it official. And that's great. We're going to get heavily, heavily into it. But it kind of put us in a bit of a predicament here at the skews because as he loyal watchers and listeners know, we like to start out with the latest in American dumbassery. A dumbass headline from the day is how we prefer

to get started. And so far, that's not been a problem at all. There's so much of it to sift through. But the obvious headline of the moment today is one that I would classify as the opposite of dumb. More on that in a minute. So leads us in a position. Well, what are we to do, Mark? Not to worry. As always, President Trump has us covered because this very morning in an interview with Fox Sports personality, Clay Travis, which, by the way, if you're not aware of Clay Travis, good for you and I recommend you keep it that way. Trump was asked about Joe Biden's looming VP pick and Trump said he felt that Biden was making a mistake

by committing to a woman as his running mate. He said because in Trump's opinion, American men would be insulted by that. So so fragile is the ego of the penis-sounding American, particularly the white variety I imagine that the very notion of a female vice presidential candidate is enough to just send us into a tizzy and I was truly shocked I was personally shocked to find out that I was out of the running just because of my gender it was a that's that's the only reason I'm

sure yes and if that if if that is true that American men can't handle the idea of a female vice presidential candidate and of course it's not but if it is. They've got a lot to reckon with today because mere hours after that interview that Trump gave, Biden made it official and selected California Senator, former California AG, and San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris as his vice presidential candidate. Mark, I don't know about you, but I feel like it was like one of those situations where it almost feels now as though like it was always going to be her. You know, like she was always the obvious choice, in my opinion, but I feel like a lot of times in elections, they don't end up choosing the obvious choice

for whatever reason. The candidates don't. So I think that fueled a lot of the debate about the other possibilities like Susan Rice or Karen Bass. But I think at the end of the day, it was, you know, it was pretty clear from the beginning that it would be. Kamala, you know, what do you think? Yeah, I mean, judge about the reaction. I mean, first of all, I don't get real excited about who gets picked as vice president. It feels like getting real nervous about who the, when the principal names to the captain of the safety patrol is going to be. It's sort of like, I'm not quite that nerdy yet.

I try not to be. I understand it's important, but she feels like by the reaction, it feels like she's the safest pick because. Yeah. Elizabeth Warren, it's a layup to, we already know what Fox News would have said to the other ones. Like Susan Rice at the face of Benghazi. Right. Elizabeth Warren went in Pocahontas 24-7 and at Baskley said too much of my step up that Al Castro.

It would be like, like, Kamala, at least you have to think for a minute for what they're going to hit her with and what they're going to do is hit her from the left from criminal justice stuff, which is you can mount accurate criticisms of her in that vein, but it's next it's going to feel pretty hollow coming from Trump. Exactly, right. Yes, I think you're exactly correct. Like you said, the immediate and obvious criticisms for all the other potential selections were, you know, clear to anybody who was paying attention.

And I think they could have gotten around probably any of those. But with Harris, it's, you know, it seems to be more difficult for them to just come after her. Now, don't get me wrong, of course they're going to. And you're right, it will be on law. And like the party of law and order is going to come after this former prosecutor whose biggest criticism from her side of the fence is that she was too in line with the ideals of law and order as they define them. Like the biggest criticism that the left has for her has to do with her track record as a prosecutor. and so it's hard to envision how they are going to use that as you know a weapon in opposition to her but I mean here's the thing obviously they've never required

logic or consistency or anything like that with their arguments or talking points so I'm sure they'll figure it out but it does seem to make it a little more difficult for them to find something to shit on her for. Yeah, it's like a, I mean, the, what, the day, the danger is that like, because, I mean, it's not happened with Obama who was like the most milk toast nerd in the world, but he somehow became a secret socialist, Muslim, anti-colonial, terrorist, lad.

I don't know, I lost track of the list of all the things that are opposites that he was supposed to be. But like, like, they're gonna do that with her, make her, because, you know, she's gonna be scared of them. It's me weird backlash. It won't make sense to us and there'll be code words.

And I don't know. It's truly weird. It's a weird time to be allowed. Yes, indeed it is. What do you think, just as a progressive yourself, what do you think about her track record on crime? The whole, her history as a prosecutor and the people that say that, you know,

she built a career on putting, black men in prison and that type of thing, those criticisms that she gets. What's your general position on all of that? Like San Francisco Weekly has a deep dive on her whole, they've been covered her for 30 years, right? So some of the stuff is true, but also de-conductualized the point of like kind of being not true.

This isn't like a defense of her, but to me that's miscast, as for she's some sort of like huge like hardcore law and order person. And it feels like to me, is a career as politician, which of course she is. Like that's, you don't go from being, you know, a state AG to the Senate and a vice presidential candidate in like four or six years or whatever by not being ambitious, which is fine. It's fine to be ambitious.

It's fine to like strive. But like, like her whole prosecutorial career has been to segue into politics, you know. But so, so it seems to me like more accurate, more accurate, more accurate. because she does that stuff that liberals do a lot where they do half a loaf to make everybody mad. Do you know what I'm saying? So, okay, so let me read you this section right here. So before in public office as a private attorney, Harold specialized in domestic violence and youth sexual abuse cases,

including those involving teenage prostitutes. So she did like pro bono work helping out people, a political system who probably needed other help. That's good. So as DA, she brought less punitive approach to sex work, meaning with sex workers and pushing the vice squad to emphasize worker safety rather than criminalization. That's good probably for most of us. But Harris continued to practice abusing undercover cops to catch would be John's before they solicited prostitution, which was revealed to disproportionately target Latino men.

She also drew the hire of Sexburger Advocates when his AG's to went after the CEO of Backpage, which is a website. Like a prostitutes moved online to be safer because they get arranged and, you know, arranged discrete meetups and hotel rooms and safe environments. So all that stuff is both like, like, it's juggling, right? It's juggling, right? There's another one that went viral during the primary. So one thing she did, to stop truancy, right? She is to this program that theoretically could have put people in jail if their kids missed certain number of school days.

And a clip of her talking about it went viral. It looked like she was laughing and putting poor parents in jail. In reality, the program reduced truancy by 50% and no actual parents in in San Francisco, which had control over it, went to jail. But her laughing about it was the problem, it seemed callous and cult, even though the program did good as far as the infant tail and didn't punish you. There's a lot of that kind of stuff where it's like, is it six of one, half dozen the other? Was it cynical?

Was it, you know, was it just public relations? I don't know. It's hard to tell with a lot of this stuff. And some of it's like the world changed so quickly for politicians. It's like even the right wing now, I think agrees that criminal justice, uh, system needs reforming and at least superficially they argue for stuff like reduced you know uh crack cocaine disparity in sentencing that kind of stuff and like cutting cutting back on private prisons if you were a woman coming up politics in the 90s and 2000s you had to be tough on crime

you just had to especially as a democrat right so the if you want to survive and be careerist as she was like she could have you know the argument is like well you just if you have actual principles it's not, then those be your guiding lights. But the thing is, you don't last long in politics with actual hardcore principles. And so you end up doing stuff like she did, which was be person against the death penalty, but be appealing to execute a guy when California banned the death penalty because her constituents want it and tried to play out both sides of your mouth. Like she did stuff like that, which is, I don't know, maybe that's what you have to do.

I don't know. Well, like you said, I mean, that's just like chapter one of a career politics. playbook, you know, is trying to toe that line and talk out of both sides of your mouth. That's just kind of how it works. And that's gross, but it's just kind of how the art, you know, being a career politician goes. Real quick, Tanya Cartmills, Saliba said, shit, and the comment just disappeared to the ether. But it was a said, nobody ever talks about a man being too ambitious. Like, what the fuck?

And I'm paraphrasing now because I lost it. But, you know, I would like to see an ambitious woman being openly ambitious in public and trying to make shit happen because, you know, it seems like a bullshit criticism to me that never gets levied at men, which I mean, I feel like that's pretty accurate. Yeah, I mean, also like these criticisms about being toothaced or whatever, which is essentially what people are going to hit her with is like women get hit with that too more too I mean it goes back to you know fucking Eve she got the rap for the apple I made it too um so uh it uh yeah I mean I'm not I'm not here saying what's

fair or not I'm just telling you what people are gonna say and I don't necessarily agree that I don't care that she's ambitious and they're all politician male politician to it say over like don't do their homework first or whatever like Rubio had no business for president right so I'm not I'm not loving that criticism and toward you understand like what you did if you were an ambitious person. So that's not, and that's not a criticism. It's more defensiveer than it's criticism.

And someone else had said a comment I saw over here saying that they didn't think that the black community was going to be as supportive as Kamala or Kamala as I'm acting like her as we are indicating right now because of her history and her track record. And I mean, I don't know, I guess we'll see. but like I know that there there was that letter Joe Biden got that open letters sent to him by a big collection of black leaders and they uh you know entertainers and politicians just successful

black Americans sent this letter to Joe Biden basically saying if you don't pick a black running mate and black woman specifically I assume because he'd already said it's going to be a woman So they said if it's not a black woman, then you are in danger of losing the black vote that you seem to be taking for granted. And there were a lot of op-eds and stuff written about how his VP selection could end up being his biggest racial gaffe yet if it wasn't a woman of color. If he chose a white woman, it's like taking it for granted that, you know, black America is so down with him because of Obama that they'll be okay with Klobuchar or whoever. being his VP, you know, there was a lot of that type of thing going around out there. But like I said, I feel like, I don't know. I feel like this was always going to be the pick.

I think it was always going to be a woman of color personally. And I don't think that, again, we'll see. But look, look who's on the other side of the table. And if you're telling me that the choice of Kamala Harris is going to endanger, a large segment of the black vote. I just do not at all by that. I mean, I don't. Yeah, the other selection that made the most sense,

which people didn't talk about much, was Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan, the governor. Right, yeah. Because she has huge, extremely high approval ratings for handling of COVID in her own state, and Michigan's a battleground. I mean, there really is vice presidential selections don't really matter much electorally.

They just don't. And that maybe picking a governor, super popular governor of Michigan, would have helped when a swing state by a point or two. But I doubt it. I mean, it just doesn't make much difference probably. I know. I mean, when Biden's brain stops working in a year and half and she has to step in, then it'll make a big difference.

Right. And she has, you know, she's like, I feel like that's a part of it too with Harris. She's been on that national stage as a, you know, candidate. herself in the Democratic primary and everything and in the debates and all of that. And I feel like her profile, she sort of, not to say that she has proven herself on that level as a politician, but she's like been in the spotlight, you know, for everybody to see and does have actual experience and all of that. And I feel like a lot of people would be more comfortable with the notion of her taking over

if something did happen because Joe is so goddamn old. but speaking of which when she that's another thing that people brought up a lot and I understand why in those debates the Democratic primary debates Kamala Harris went after Joe Biden a lot frequently and and ferociously over his his track record on race talking about the busing and segregation is all you know bringing up old shit, Mark, which is fine. But like, you know, his track record for back in the day and his crime bill and all of this stuff that is not seen in a positive light in terms of race relations in 2020.

And Kamala Harris was the person who was really going after Biden for that in the debates. And I guess that was part of why a lot of people thought like, oh, I don't know if it's going to be heard. It's acrimonious between the two of them. Everybody saw that. Everybody knows how that went. But when asked about that and the selection, Biden said,

I want the person who questions me on matters of race. And when she was doing it at the time, I didn't think that he handled it the way he should have, which is to say, like, I feel like he should have just owned up to it and apologized and said, look, a lot of shit has changed. I have changed. Times have changed. If I could go back and do that differently, of course I would, but I can't.

But I'm going to do better moving forward. You know, I felt like that's the approach to take, and he never did, you know, that I saw in the debates. But still, I feel like that viewpoint or that reaction to those questions from Biden, like, oh, that's exactly what I want is that type of thing. I feel like that is savvy and that's what you want to hear because it's the exact, imagine Donald Trump ever saying something like that about even a federal. member of his own party you know I want I want the person who challenges me or questions me or whatever it's the exact opposite with Trump if you dare to even suggest anything in opposition to him you get fired immediately and they go down to the next dip shit on the list you know so I feel like that that's an

encouraging response yeah would be a good quality to have been a president but also like what I remember from that debate takeaway was she hit him hard of for busing and did the whole I was that little girl thing. And then quietly after the debate had to conceive that she had his same position on busing and he did. Well, ain't that just the way. I mean, busing is horrendously unpopular, man. Nobody wants their kid to ride an hour and 45 minutes to go to a school across town.

I mean, there is racialized aspects to it obviously as well. But those policies backfired horribly in the 70s and we got Reagan for it. all right let me ask you about this Mike Pence there's there's supposed to be a vice presidential debate the first one scheduled for October 7th Mark is Mike Pence even allowed to be alone on like a stage with another woman like I thought that was against his rules hasn't he said that before like how's he even going to, is he going to have to bring his wife who he calls mother with him to the debates to stand there beside him while he argues with her? Like, how's he going to handle this?

Well, the COVID protocols like Karen B in the bubble in the debate bubble with him? I don't know. Right. I see it, guys. Well, but how do you, what do you think about that matchup for lack of a better word between those two when it comes to debating? Like, obviously, I'm extremely biased, but I feel like she's going to body his ass personally because I've never seen him do anything that I felt like would even be inspirational to the opposition. I can't even picture what his fucking voice sounds like in my head. You know what I mean?

Like I just, I feel like she's going to take him behind the woodshed in those debates. Yeah, I mean, Pence is a very talented politician. All the reason is vice president is because no one else wanted the job in 2016. And I know no other, they wanted evangelical, to make people feel better about voting for it's race, married, uh, uh, pagan. Uh, heathen. He's a heathen, uh, so they put a pence of a ticket, but he was on his way out of politics. He was a renisoned and governor. And this was his only way, only way to save viable is why he took it.

And he almost, people were getting, he almost dropped off, dropped out after Lee, but left access high wood tape. Um, but luck for power went out as it often does. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see how it goes, but I am looking forward to that particular aspect of it. There's a guy I just criticized as to being too ambitious. Mike Pence, it's sacrificed all of his moral code, stated moral code, to be vice president. Lost perspective his wife, it's from the behind-the-scenes reporting. But yeah, I don't know. Like, I, like, just sort of, you know, I guess putting a bow on the discussion of Kamala Harris as the BP. all this stuff we talked about earlier with her track record on crime and all of that

and how a lot of that is very, you can make very valid criticisms about it and is not stuff that I'm crazy about or particularly happy with as a progressive, but still, I don't know, you have to take, like you were saying all that about her being a politician and just the reality of the situation, and I think you have to take a more nuanced approach to it personally because here's the thing like, and I've said this in a lot of other avenues and talking about other situations, but I think it's true. Like one thing that annoys the shit out of me about the left in America is our propensity for ripping each other apart.

Like we don't even need the right to tear us apart. We do it ourselves with fucking, with pleasure, you know, because of the standards we have, which I think in a vacuum is like, that's a good thing. But it can become too much. much too quickly. Like you could say what you want about the other side and I've said a lot and we'll continue to do so. But them motherfuckers stick together. And I don't think we should do it to the degree that they do. But I think we could stand to have a little bit more of that particular dynamic

because like that's why they fucking win. You know what I mean? Like liberals tend to be never satisfied with any given candidate because they nitpicked the shit out of them. And I'm not, I'm not, again, the criticisms of her prosecutorial background are valid. I'm not saying they're not. But I am saying, like, you ain't going to find nobody fucking perfect in this arena that we are all living in right now politically in this country. That's just never going to happen. And if you just, if you, if you, if your political philosophy is to just cast aside every candidate that doesn't completely, completely 100% check every single box that you personally have as a voter, you ain't ever going to win a goddamn thing.

And I want to win. Like, winning is what matters at the end of the day. So I just feel like we're going to have to get over that shit to a certain degree. winning is good if you actually exercise the power they get from it. The problem is liberals too often don't actually exercise the power they have. Right. That's another problem. Because they just want it.

It's like, why would I trade political capital to accomplish an objective? It's like, motherfucker, that's the whole point in winning the election. But there's also they'd be two things. One, like stuff's so screwed up that you can't be alive and not be complicit, right? like i got a iPhone here built by a child like if you uh if you had a chocolate bar today you're you contributed to a child slavery problem like you had shrimp today shrimp as a slave slavery in supply chain prop it's from my doorbell just rang that my dog's barking um the uh so like there's no way to be a prosecutor and not have put innocent

in jail or screwed up people's lives you didn't deserve it even if you try even if you tried your best when people are accused never is not quite always trying her best so that's one thing but like but also like you know noam chomsky had this thing today it was pretty interesting and he came down pretty much on uh agreeing with us it was this like like liberals think of election elections as the sole political events think about your lives in between there were the leftist you vote for the candidate and then you spend the four years in between harassing the shit out of them to move them in your direction you keep doing the protest keep doing the uh the organizing whatever so like you can

like Biden and Harris not being perfect candidates is not a reason about elect them. It is a reason to harass the shit out of them with their op. 100%. Yes. To be clear, we can and should continue to hold our own people accountable. And when they do something that, you know, is not in line with progressive ideals or is disappointing or whatever, then they should be called out on that, that should keep happening. As long as at the end of the day, you fucking show up at the polls, you know, and vote for the right person. Because, I mean, I'm sure you could pick certain races to prove me wrong about what I'm about to say. But generally speaking, usually the alternative is worse. Whatever you are pissed off at the progressive candidate for, not supporting them, the alternative is shittier.

Trey in my head when just now you said certain races are better than others, I was gearing up certain certain campaign certain political races are better. Oh, electoral race, okay. I was like, oh, man, Trey's about to do a heel turn. Let's be honest about the races, y'all. Oh, no, well. I'm glad you pointed out that I said that. Another thing, and I want you to go in on this topic, but another thing that this story brings to mind is that it's not just one person.

Like it's not just Joe Biden that you're supporting. And it's also not just Joe Biden and now Joe Biden and now Kamala Harris. it's really a whole, like, team. It's a whole regime. And way, way down the line or way, way down the ticket when you look at it, those positions can still be insane and are insanely important. The judges, cabinet members, and those types of positions, all of that is affected by who you vote for at the top level, right?

And we spend all day, like, making fun of shit Trump says or tweets. And like, like, he, like, he participates in it, too. Like, he's still arguing about a stupid mental acuity test a month later or whatever. That's been going on six months, actually. But like, like, but down the line, the worst things the administration are doing and stuff, he doesn't even know about. Right. Right.

So for example, for example, for example, the current Labor Secretary, Eugene Scalia, the son of Antonin Scalia, former Supreme Court justice. he's a real piece of shit right Mars yeah yeah so the story came out yesterday a career bureaucrat in Department of Labor quit in protest because she had negotiated this long this long case negotiating a labor settlement with Oracle and he intervened to make her let them off the hook basically and they'd be doing just like like he so basically 10 years from now we're gonna find out but employee can't and Sue Purdue chicken for cutting his head off because of some rule change the labor

term are made the in a Trump administration and it's like it's gonna be like that for a long time and like a few months ago when they tried Trump used the defense production act to send meat packers back to work he did they could to arrange rearrange OSHA so that there'd be no regulation for how many meat packer workers got COVID or and no one cared about whether they lived or died A real scumbag that guy A nut doesn't fall far up from the tree, I guess. Right, and yeah, and obviously he's not the only one.

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the USPS obviously the postal service and everything that's going on there with the shit what's the guy's name i'm blanking on it mark the guy that is that is your dejo yeah jorno's on de jorno's piece de jorno yes yes hey he also doesn't deliver he doesn't exactly it's not delivery it's this asshole the mail it's like it's fucking delivered it's perfect yeah but it's um but yeah no this is yeah dejoi lewis de joy they um but yeah there's a long track record of of of this on the right, I guess because they're small government or whatever, although that is also complete bullshit in my opinion. But they, yeah, this shit matters, you know, like you have people

in charge of agencies and organizations that, a lot of which are vital to American society and American government and these people are actively trying to undermine them themselves from the very top of the food chain and that's a real fucking problem. That's what like all of this shit matters and it all is related to who's at the top, you know, so it's not just about if you just like can't stomach Kamala Harris specifically because of her history as a prosecutor, you have to also realize what the implications of staying at home

because of that are. And it has so much more to do than just with who's sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office. I mean, the current people, the current Republican Party is so full of, like, cynical ghouls with no actual principles. But there's no small,

government reason and I have a post office. Right. The post office is in the constitution. Like literally the, the government that was formed by a couple dozen dudes and wigs. Imagine a functioning post office working. It's not a big government problem. It's not a, it's not socialist.

It's the mail. It's being able to put a letter to a birthday card to your mom and your mailbox to have it show up at our house. That's it. It's not ideological, but they can strip it for parts and make six dollars. They'll do it, even if it makes everyone's life worse.

and that has to be eradicated. Like whatever is left standing, are you over tax rates? Absolutely. Get the fuck out of here if you want to put it on the post office. Right. Well, and also, you know,

you're talking shit about the post office for big government reasons at the same time you're supporting the fucking stormtroopers showing, you know, occupying American cities to quail people exercising their First Amendment rights. You know what I mean? Like, not to mention fucking opposing like gay marriage or the legalization of marijuana or supporting drug testing welfare recipients or any, all of that shit is big government bullshit that you're completely okay with.

And then just, you know, turn around and say, well, the post office got to go is just, that ain't it. I didn't it, Mark. Basically, it has what's big government, what's political government has nothing to do with actual space. or government power. It's like using government resources to hurt people is conservative. Using government resources to help people is a soft-hearted liberalism, right? Right. Let's see what it comes down to.

Yeah. You know, there was a tweet from a Trump supporter who was upset and worried about or considering not supporting him in the upcoming election. And the tweet went viral because what they said was, quote, he's not hurting the right people or he's not hurting the people he's supposed to be hurting or whatever. And they were just, they were just like speaking their mind, you know, speaking from the heart in that moment.

That's just how they felt about it. They were like, no, this bullshit. He ain't supposed to be hurting me and mine. He was supposed to be hurting them and theirs. And I don't like this. Which are ostensibly, you know, your neighbors and your fellow citizens. Right. It's like, but there's always, there's, you see it like in the, like when the George Floyd protests were huge in every city in America and it'd be like, they'd always like, these are all

outside educators, like from where? Are they coming in from Canada? Was this a trade program or were Minneapolis and there at Milwaukee, Milwaukee's, like, how many outside are there? No, stupid. These are your fucking neighbors and they're pissed off, right? These are your fellow citizens. There's always like an outside boogeyman, whether it's like, like, like, they, like,

communist civil trading or whatever. Like the funny one of the day was like the governor in Mississippi was talking about how like college football is being canceled because liberal anti-football liberals are trying to destroy it. And it's so funny because like the idea that the rules run big time college sports is like no, the big 10's cancelment season because they think to lose going to lose them money. That's it. It's it. Well, art like that, you know.

liberals are behind COVID, you know, like the liberal hoax or whatever. Yeah, so since you brought that up, that's the whole thing's going on right now. The state of college football, the future of college football for this upcoming season. And look, let me preface all this by saying, I'm from Tennessee, bleed orange and white. My son's middle name is Neeland, okay? Like, I'm ridiculous about this shit. I get upset at myself. I do as a grown man with a family and a career and everything.

I get upset at myself for how much I allow college football to impact my day-to-day life because I know that it's ridiculous. But it's just like, you know, it's the culture, man. I don't know what to tell you. It's just in our blood a lot of us. I don't know, I just, I can't help it. So I care a lot, all right, I do. But having said,

all of that, like the current situation with college football and the SEC and everything is just getting ridiculous. Nick Sabin, who obviously does not hit for me, but every head must bow, every tongue must profess. He's a damn good coach, obviously, he may be the best college football coach of all time, despite the fact that I cannot stand him or his team. He was saying this week that he was essentially saying like it we no we don't need to cancel football what we need to cancel is college well we should stop we need to stop the school part the football part that needs to go on but the real problem is the school part why aren't we looking at canceling that and i'm obviously i'm you know being a little hyperbolic here but that's pretty much what he was our

Yeah, and he was, what would kill me about that was how kind of right he was. That's the thing when Nick Seidemark. It was all the deal. It was just so, so like cold and sociopathic, because let's see us how he'd be. But the, he did, he was basically saying that like, you're not going to catch COVID playing football. They're going to go catch COVID because the football stuff strictly regulated. They get tested every day and they get isolated. He's saying they're going to catch it, you know, making.

making out where girls at parties and in class and stuff like that. So he's like, why are we still doing the stuff where they're going to catch it, but not doing the thing where they're safe for everything except brain trauma on knee injuries. Like, like, so he had a point if you think the goal of college is to have a football team, right? But what the problem? If you ever say, you remember the movie from the 90s, the program, did you ever watch that? Yeah. The program, college football movie for me?

in the 90s ridiculous, but I fucking loved it as a kid. James Conn was the head, he was like the Nick Sabin of that movie. And there's a same where he's arguing with the university, or he's in a meeting with the university president and the dean of the college of science or something like that. And they're arguing about the amount of money that the football program gets, the amount of the university budget that the football program gets, considering that ostensibly this is an institution of higher learning,

not some gladiatorial fucking draconian sport, right? And James Kahn goes, he was like, when's the last time 75,000 people showed up to a science fair? Yeah, you shove the bowtie up your ass. But it's like, it's a good life, but like the reason these programs are, these colleges are canceling football, but for business reasons. because as much money as they make off football,

they make way more money off actual education, tuition, and the federal grants and so forth. So like what they don't want is to look like they're being frivolous and have people pull their kids out of school. Having football looks fucking frivolous. Those giant crowds and the high profile cases are going to be when the star QB, Heisman, Canada gets it. And that's going to make everybody look bad.

So what they want to do is they want to manage perceptions and expectations. They're going to look like they're taking it seriously. Right. Okay, okay. Well, yes, given that, I agree with you because, yeah, in my mind, the main reason that they don't want to do it is essentially for PR. It's like the risk is just too great. Like you just can't have, you can't have Trevor Lawrence,

who's a high as a trophy candidate quarterback for Clemson, best college football player in the nation or one of them. You can't have him like laid up with COVID or spreading it to his grandma or something like that. And you're just like, that just can't. happen. You can't be endangering these kids' lives. Obviously, you shouldn't do that because you just because you care and you don't want to do that. But I'm saying the cynical capitalist perspective is like that is also ultimately bad for business. And it's like, yes, you want to keep the doors open in terms of

the football season. But at the end of the day, it's just not worth the risk even from a business perspective. Yeah, that's what's funny about the Mississippi governor and Nick Saban's take is they don't get that it's not liberal do-goaters who are trying to cross their football dreams. It's in fact that the business interests of the college are in favor of not having football this year. Yeah, but the way, so the way it's shaping up right now, it may be that every single college football game this fall

is won by an SCO. team, just like the good Lord intended, Mark. We've been moving down the show for a long time. It's about time. The SEC just took over. Now, of course, obviously, every single game will also be lost by an SEC team, but we ain't got talking about that. But no, what I'm getting a lot of leagues have already, college football divisions have already canceled their season. The Big Ten did. The Ivy League, of course, did very early on. The Mac did.

and a lot of the other ones are looking at probably doing the same thing. But the SEC is very much on the front lines of not doing that if they can help it at all. Can you imagine what it would do to the population of Clemson's campus is Trevor Lawrence was one of those outlier cases where he had like permanent heart damage and couldn't get back on the field because of bad EKG tests or he had three fingers amputated on his throwing hand? like every kid would be pulled out of class so goddamn fast. It would be a nightmare for that school. And they would get their ass suit off. Because if 80,000 people in the stands watching a guy about to lose three fingers play football, come on, man.

It's just, it's untenable. Right. And a lot of, there's been a big, like, movement among college football players on Twitter and stuff, actively, you know, petitioning to play. the hashtag we want to play, including Trevor Lawrence had a whole thing he issued about how he felt, you know,

they should play and they want to play. He said a lot of the same shit Nick Saban said, like the danger isn't on the football field. The danger is everything else about college, you know, whatever. But like, the idea that, I mean, we are,

these guys are fucking 20 years old, man. You can't listen to what they. Like, fucking, yeah, let's listen to them over the scientists and doctors, you know. They'd also have,

to outlaw condoms. Right. Yeah. Yeah. For a lot of dumb shit. But it's like maybe like these guys like do we want to play thing? Like COVID and it is like revealed a lot. It's pulled back a lot of facades, right?

Do we want to play a hashtag or when the move was started by the pack 12 players? About they were essentially trying to unionize and arguing that there is a there is a structure under which they can play if they're considered employees, right? If they have employee rights and they're compensated, you can put them in a bubble and you can make it happen just like the NBA did. But they won't, but then they can't go to class. So that pulls back, that they can't,

colleges can't do that because it will reveal all their bullshit, right? So, but then of course that we want to play hashtag gets co-opted by, you know, Clay Travis and Trump, which is true, the Trump going on a third rate sports podcast is the funniest thing in the world. Yeah. And he like he didn't he of course he didn't even talk about sports really the whole time he was on there But um all right let's we're gonna go the comments over here see what y'all uh what y'all are thinking whatever we didn't talk about it bring up while i'm uh waiting on some of these to come through mark what's to do with this um

this gop candidate for the north carolina house madison caulthorn oh my nominee for shithead of the show nominee for shithead of the show yeah what's up with this guy Was this 25-year-old dude running in North Carolina 11th to replace Mark Meadows, of course, left to go be Trump's chief of staff? Again, 25 years old. He went viral late yesterday for he Instagrams the vacation to Eagles Nest, Hitler's Vacation House, and said it was a bucket list trip that he always looked forward to taking. The guy, he follows exactly 88 people on Twitter, which for anybody else, you're like, oh, that's a happy accident. But for him, if you don't know, if you ever see something 88 tattoo, that's a Nazi tattoo. Because age letter or the alphabet, hail Hitler, 88.

Right. And he's just like, he's like an obscenely, like good looking frat boy, like just out and out douchbag. And if you live in the North Carolina 11, please go vote against him. He's terrible. Do you, no, I mean, I'm sure he just sucks genuinely to his core, but I wonder how much of it is like being a 25-year-old frat-boy douchebag, meaning like the, I feel like that's a certain class of Nazi we've got now, the sort of young frat-boy version of it,

not that there weren't always frat-boy Nazis, but do you know what I'm saying where it's like the sort of college, Nazi that we have in America right now? Like it's its own kind of subclass. Yeah, they're, they're hardcore one-line Nazis who are very hip and ironic. You can't really tell when they're kidding or not until they, you know, drive a car to a protest. Yep. Okay.

Melissa Martin said black Nazis are everywhere. I don't know what that. means. Still, like, a homola? I don't know. I don't know. So,

because someone else said, let me find it here. Where, shit, where to go? Someone else said, Joe Biden picked a cop. Which, I mean,

again, like, look, I, I, with this particular argument, but like the fact is, I think part of that,

part of that is, or that is part of the appeal, I think, for a big segment of, the Democratic voting block, you know. I mean, on paper, Democrats, older Democrats, that type of thing.

I think that's a feature and not a bug that he picked a cop, frankly. For sure. I mean, on paper, yeah. Like, if you look at it taking off resume, as you'd be like, well, this is the kind of resume you want to have to be taken seriously in national politics.

Like we talked about earlier, I don't know if it works anymore. I mean, we're going to find out. But if you think Fox News is going to, like treat a respectable law and order centrist because she was a successful prosecutor, I think you're wrong. And I think that's obviously Joe Biden, part of Joe Biden's calculation. But let's face it, ignoring people on Twitter like me and people who call Kamala, like ignoring

the one line left, Biden's got like 11 point lead. So. Right. Matthew Thulin said nothing, and I mean nothing, condones being a Nazi in terms. 2020 and of course I completely agree with that if it sounded like I was trying to excuse that North Carolina assholes Nazi inclinations due to the fact that oh he's only 25 no I did not mean that fuck that guy do you know what you know the cap or this I didn't know this he's a this isn't no reflection of

character at all except there's Nazism but he's in a wheelchair so he's that Nazis would have literally euthanize so yeah Yeah, you know, at the end of the day, Mark, there's not a lot of actual redeeming qualities about the Nazis, you know? There's a whole lot of things you could point out about them. They're not even intellectually consistent, Trey. That's their biggest sense. They're hypocrites. But no, I, yeah, no, I wasn't at all trying to excuse it just because he's young or whatever.

I was just trying to say that, like, I feel like there, it's a, there's a certain, it's like a trope. It's like a trope of current American Nazis is that version of them. The like young, hipster college version of Nazis, which is fucking weird and fuck them, but it's definitely a thing. All right, let's see.

Sorry, sorry, sorry. Bubba, Bubba Husky said, Nazis and fucking boat shoes. And I know Bubba, tell me about it, buddy. But yeah, they're out here. That's most of them now. Right, yeah. Caitlin, Eileen said, great candidates evolve. That's why Kamala is a, Kamala, I keep saying her fucking name wrong.

That's why Kamala is a great choice. I agree the sentiment of good candidates evolve I completely agree with that I don't I don't really go in for this whole idea of even what she did to Biden in the debates it's like I was saying earlier like yeah I know I know he had some regrettable shit in his past but he's been around a long time and a lot of shit's happened to him

and to the country since then and if he has genuinely come around on all that should that not matter should we not give a fuck because of the shit that he did early in his career like i just don't buy into that what matters to me is what you're about right now you know not what you did 20 years ago i mean there is like you're talking about how like the uh how the dynamics the uh inter-party dynamics of left versus centrist and the right wing like like literally right now you have uh pretty much all of american christianity at least they may you've been on tolerating evangelicals tolerating a guy who would eat a baby with a knife and fork if you put some McDonald's special sauce on it because they want to appoint because

he's appointing judges they will lead they think will lead a fewer abortions right whereas if there was a leader who could give us that Institute socialized medicine and police reform we would vote them out office if they found out they once threw a house slipper to mate Yeah, right. So it's it's hard to it's hard to figure out how to operate in that environment. Oh, you know, I don't know, it does nothing wrong with asking people to be better, which is like if you're if you're going to like I said earlier, if you're going to a bug comelative to improve her views and her platform, that's good. If you're going to like say I'm going to sit the election up because in 2007, she put a single mom in jail. It'd be like the alternative is going to end up with a lot more single moms in jail. so said, gentlemen, this is a, this is history, a woman, a woman of color is on the ballot for the first time. My mother couldn't even vote when she was born and no baby can vote, but I know what you mean. When she was, when she was born, it wasn't legal for a living to vote. The lives out

here trying to get babies the right to vote. But no, I mean, I mean, you're right. That's also a valid point that I feel like almost gets kind of overlooked because of you know, so many other factors. But yeah, just the sheer fact that go back to your papal when he was your age now or whatever and tell him that a half-black, half-South Asian woman is going to be the nominee for vice president in the upcoming presidential election in the United States of America

and he would have told you you're out of your goddamn mind And probably also I've told you that you need to do something to fix that because that's a huge problem because they were all assholes back then. But yes, I mean, just the sheer fact of, you know, her position, her nomination is indicative of progress, absolutely, you know, from macro view. I like our go-to for what our great-grandparents would be shocked by is that we had a black president as opposed to you can watch literally millions of hours of pornography on your telegraphies. of them. You're right. Yeah, yeah. I think that would I could put them for a little while before they got to the Black Brotherhood. Diane Russo, same one I quoted a minute ago, but I left the last part out because I lost the comment, reiterated, shatter the glass ceiling. So yes, I left that part out not on purpose. I just, as always, y'all know me. It's hard for my slowest to keep

up with these comments over here. I know it's a good day for a lot of people, but can we calls shattering the last evening when she actually takes office because that feels like more important that's a good you got that right um Ross Jacobs has said I think I truly believe that Harris and Biden are both ultimately good people at their core and you can't say the same for Trump I agree with that completely like when it comes to we were talking on the last episode about their different gaffs Trump and Biden you know that they both had and their slips of the tongue that they're both prone to and everything. And obviously I'm so extremely biased,

but I really do believe, though, that there's a huge difference between the two in that, like, Biden, even most of his, like, worst slips of the tongue, I've felt like I've seen them, and in my head I've gone, okay, I know what he was trying to say. And he really fucked. it up and it is very unfortunate the way it came out.

But I know what he was trying to get at and it's not, you know, it's really not that bad or might even be something that I agree with, right? Versus Trump, which is, it's, that's not even remotely true. Like, he says all kinds of dumb, terrible, nigh, incoherent shit. And half the time, what he really means, if he even not. that was what he means is even worse. Like, it, the, the shit behind what actually comes out of their mouths is not comparable, in my opinion.

I feel like that should be a factor. Biden's nonsense is like, jibbitty jabber, skip her back in my day, we played Calibalibu and the dittibu. And Trump is like, we got to put the Malaysians in camps. It's like, it's not, it's not remotely comfortable. Right. Yes. they're not comparable.

I feel like, and again, obviously, I'm biased because I'm on the left and I, you know, I acknowledge my own biases where this is concerned, but that's how I feel about sort of that whole idea of like enlightened centrism in general. Do you know what I mean? Like centric, the whole like,

both sides argument. It's like, okay, yes, there are shitheads on both sides. Of course that is true. That would be true of almost any dichotomy you laid out. But like, one side of shitheads is worse than the other one. You know, it's not, it's a false equivalency.

Only one wants you dead. It's like, like, would your other have a few great daddy long legs or scorpions? It's like neither one's pleasant. There's a divide. Right. Aaron, some people have brought up over here, the, like, to all Democrats that are saying, Harris is a cop.

Biden picked a cop. Connell Harris is a cop, that whole argument. Again, just like we were just saying, okay, fine. But Trump has super secret cops that he's actively deploying against the American people right now. You know what I mean?

Like at the end of the day, this shit is binary. I know, I wish that wasn't true also. That I think there's a lot of flaws with the two-party system, and I wish we had more genuinely viable options, but we don't. And in this election particularly, there's two options. It's going to be one or the other. It is binary. It's either going to be this or it's going to be that. And yes, she's a cop, but look what he's a Nazi cop. Okay. So if I were to sum up your campaign slogan here, it's that things can't be better, but they can definitely get worse.

Yeah, seems to be so far. They've proven so far that things can always get worse. I've read before that that was like the running joke of the slogan of Soviet Russia, the Soviet Union was dot, dot, dot, and then things got worse. And it's funny because, you know, ever since Trump got in, we've been trying to emulate Russia. and I feel like that is true of America ever since 2016, you know,

and then things got worse. And yes, look, man, I'm not going to bullshit about it. You know, it is what it is. I'm just trying to stop the bleeding right now. Like, point blank, I don't care. And I'm not going to apologize for that either. Like, we've got to fucking stop this bullshit, okay? And then if we do, we can worry about where to go from there.

but job one right now is to right the fucking ship at least a little bit because i we're in a existential crisis right now as a country i would say that um uh comela appears to have by by her stated platform in the bills she's written the last few months has seems to have moved left on criminal justice though as she's gotten further away from being a prosecutor in an a t um I don't know, man. I would say if you want to hope things can be better that you got a thing she learned from mistakes and see the way things are going

and we can turn around a little bit. Right. Well, yeah, that's the way you should look at it. If you're much more progressive, if you're much further left, and you feel like you can't stomach these more moderate liberal candidates in your mind, like the way you should look at it is

pulling them further to, the left, which is what's happening. That's what happened with Biden. It's what happened has happened with her, you know. And that's good. That's a victory on your part, you know. But you've got to show up and vote, though. You've got to support that at the end of the day and just hope that that trend keeps actualizing as we go further, which I think it will. I agree. I mean, like, like Biden basically let Bernie right his climate platform. Right. It was a victory.

Yeah, well, all right, y'all. We are out of time for this edition of evening's skews, but we'll be back in 48 hours, a day after tomorrow, on Thursday. Who knows what shit's going to happen between now and then, but we'll go over it together in a couple short days. Thank you very much for watching. Mark.

Have a good one. There you go. Nailed it. All right, y'all. See you, love you, bye.