wellRED podcast - Evening Skews - Week of January 12, 2021

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Well between all the unfolding COUP-SEQUENCES and SECOND IMPEACHMENT we had another big week on the Skews. Also, a wonderful discussion with Kentucky's own, author Silas House. Whole lotta hittin' this week, y'all. Check er out.

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They're the. Hey there everybody. Thanks for joining us. Sorry, a little hiccup there with the opening graphic, but that's okay. Thank you for being here. Today's Tuesday, January 12th, 2021. I'm Trey Crowder. That's Mark Aegee. What's up, Mark?

What's up, Trey? So a little break, can I do a little breaking new alert? I would love some breaking news, yeah. That's ESPN. Anyway, go ahead. Yeah, breaking news. So kind of a bit of a dumb ass update before we to it. One of our favorite congresswomen, Lauren Bolberg, who we talked about last week,

trying to bring her gun into the Capitol, but not really, she was lying about it pretending to for the content. She apparently, they put in new metal detectors after the coup, and she set off the metal detector and it currently is in a standoff or was a few minutes ago with the Capitol Police because she won't let them search her bag after setting off the metal detector. So we'll have to see how that goes. Yeah. Wonder what that could be.

Well, she's hiding in her bag that would set off the metal detector, the lady who made her bones proudly proclaiming she was going to carry her gun to Congress. Yeah. Yeah, I'd call it another update. Not an update. Hell, I'm sure all of y'all seen it by. now but we wanted to give a little shout out to senior Georgia correspondent and long time good buddy Cory Forrester on his recent viral success if you guys haven't seen it he put out a rant a very

impassioned genuine authentic spur of the moment rant about the coup last week and that shit has taken plumb smooth off and Corey is on his way to the stratosphere and I just want everybody I take a lot of pride in being the person who discovered Corey Forrester. That's a real, real high point for me. We're just so, so proud of the boy. He's done such a good job. Yeah. He was on.

I thought you're going to leave it at that. Yeah, yeah. Good for Corey. He was on CNN International and he got his stuff reposted by Two Chains and Stephen King, which is a hell of a pair there. Yeah, man. That's one of your. really doing it then yeah I'm different you got Stephen King over here two chains over here both

posting your shit you've really done something so yes good for Corey you got it out by lucy lawless Xena warrior princess who I've had a crush on since I was like 11 years old so that's awesome yeah he's gotten a lot of great shoutouts but hey we got a show to do so let's do it uh with us as always producer Matt behind the scenes doing his thing this is evening skews got a good show for you tonight. A lot of coup talk still. A lot of stuff. You know, how often do we have a coup? You know what I mean? There's a lot to still unpack there. I mean for skews content wise, not nearly enough. It's been. Yeah, we need more we need more coos for the skews. But yeah, what's happened since? What have been the consequences? What are we looking at? Are we

done with coups? Are more coups on the horizon? Well, we'll see what we think about it a little bit later. Also, mid-show point, we're going to be talking with noted American writer, journalist, and activist Silas House, Kentucky's own. Looking forward to that. First of all, as always, we begin with the Daily Dumbass. Now, we had a little trouble with our initiating graphic up top, so we're not going to do the dumb-ass graphic. We're just going to do the dumb-ass clip. That's the plan. So, tonight's dumbass is Staten Island politician Letitia Romero, who participated in a anti-lockdown protest in front of a famous Staten Island bar that had been forced to close because of COVID restrictions. And in doing so, she made a video for the internet in which she made what she now claims was simply a slip of the tongue made in the heat of the moment.

And I got to say, as far as those go, this one is truly unfortunate. Matt, if you've got to clip, play it for everyone. With Staten Island to stand up for our rights. the right to pay taxes so that we can pay the salaries of these good men and women who yes are only doing their job but not for nothing

sometimes you gotta say how Hitler not a good idea to send me here okay Mark as our longtime viewers know I've said a lot of really dumb shit in the heat of the moment without meaning to things that I later regretted

I've never howled Hitler though as a matter of fact I generally try to away from hiling just in general. I don't do a lot of hiling, but let alone hiling Hitler, that's an odd slip of the tongue to make, right? But she had an explanation for it. Yeah, slip of the tongue, right?

So you know how it goes? You mean to say gazoon tight, and you accidentally say, Oh, Hitler. She apparently, if she corrected himself, she said what she said, how Hitler, when what she meant to say was mine furor.

So I'm not sure that makes it much. So that's better. You can understand that. Mine furor, and that's no problem. No problem. No problem. Howell Hitler, though, the issue. I don't know. I mean, again, everybody, everybody has said something that, like, as it's coming out of your mouth, you're like, oh, no, pull that back. But when those words are Heil Hitler, I don't know how you don't cut that off. You know what I mean? Like, if it really is, you get into it, you're like, you got to say, how, hide police officers, thank you for doing your job, you know, and just fuck the rest of it up. go on from there. You don't finish Heil Hitler. It was, I think it would have been like, I got him through a Heil

and was said like Hilton or something. And I like, yeah. But the thing amazing about it was. Okay. So that was for the breaking news way, way earlier. Again, having some technical issues, but we're working through it and it's going to be fine. Everything's going to be just once. We apologize for that, but we're going to go forward. you saying, Mark. That was her own, like, Instagram story or Facebook live feed or whatever. So she looked, she posted it. Like, she could have taken it.

I know. Yes, right. Exactly. That's the other thing. It's like, okay, it's a slip of the tongue, but you then went with it. You were like, ah, I meant to say mine furor. Ah, it'll be fine. It'll be fine.

I said, how, howl Hitler, that'll be fine. It'll play. Just put it out there. Yeah. she apparently to try to act in good faith here, she was trying to call COVID lockdowns fascistic and I guess didn't know how to talk. Right.

I guess, yeah, we should, yeah, right, to be fair enough, we should say her, the way she explained it was what she meant in her head was by saying mind-fehrer, she was implying that the people who enforce COVID restrictions are fascist and that COVID restrictions, are fascist and that's what she was trying to say. So, you know, you guys get it.

Let's move into, go ahead. I'll go off your defense. Like, man, I think that bar, that bar has been in and out of the news a lot because the owner's been staying open despite restrictions and he's been arrested by the cops of the bar. It was a viral video where he got tackled by the cops and hit one on with his car a month ago. I think it's a big bar.

And look, in their defense, if I live in Staten Island, I would really want to go to a bar as well. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Right. What else you got going on? All right. So honorable mentions here. Our next, our first daily dumbass honorable mention is anyone who waited too long to ask for a pardon. Because guess what? The pardon spigot. It's been turned off. And here's the reason why, Matt, play that clip whenever you got it. The president has been warned David by some of his lawyers that if he goes ahead and pardons himself, he could be more vulnerable to civil lawsuits, including from some of those injured in the capital riot because a self pardon would be seen

as an admission that he did something wrong that he would need to be pardoned for. The president is angry, he has not taken that well, and I am told that he is now saying that he doesn't want to see pardons for anybody. So the attitude seems to be, if I can't get a pardon, then nobody else should get one either.

That last line, what is more Trumpian than that? If I can't get a pardon, pardon, then nobody else gets one either. It's just so in keeping with his infantile bullshit mentality the whole time. It's just a chef's kiss, really. There was a story last week or a week and a half ago that he was considering pardons for Jared Nafanka.

I don't think he actually got around to that yet. But the funny thing was, Don hasn't even, Don Jr. hasn't even been considered yet. So he's fucking totally fucked. Well, that's great. Yeah. But, you know, we said that was infantile and it is, But you know what? The president's not an infant. He's not weak. He's none of that. Okay? And I'll let Hogan Gildley explain the rest of it for me. This is our second honorable mention, Matt, you play this clip.

Social media crackdown. Does he feel amasculated, especially as he heads out of office? Look, I wouldn't say amasculated. I mean, if the most masculine person I think to ever hold the White House is the president of the United States. Yeah, Mark, Dwight D. Eisenhower, total pussy. Donald Trump, most masculine person to ever hold the office of U.S. president. Before we get into the content of this, that's Hogan Gidley, all right, who's a white house spokesman. There's also another Trump guy by the name of Rogan O'Hanley, who's a totally different guy. And I just wanted to say Rogan O'Hanley and Hogan Gidley in the same sentence, because why are they all fucking name shit like that? right these guys man it's like there's like a like a country club baby factory where they

pump out like there's like you get to choose like a scrabble tile of like 10 total syllables and make your name out of it i like there's this like meme where like you've we don't seem like the bin garrison paintings and stuff for they draw a cup like with a shirt off and a bunch of chips through it over him and like i don't know where that comes from me neither i i don't know why it mean first of all it's like it's not necessarily like it's a quality neutral characteristic to be super masculine. I don't know like I'm not saying it's like good or bad or whatever, but it's

like weird they see this fucking doughy you know spray tanned yeah fucking yes can't walk up a ramp can't drink water properly and then they yeah they make oil paintings of him like stiff arming a defender

in the Hizman pose as he as he crosses in the goal line of like American democracy bowl or whatever the hell is going on and shit like that. It's unreal. So this is my open challenge to the President of the United States to come on to you as an arm wrestle either me or tray. He can take his pick. Yes, I would love that.

All right. The Bible trivia, too. He hasn't taken me up on that either. Well, I'll be honest, point blank, even Donald Trump might whip my ass at Bible trivia. I got to be, I have to be honest about it. I would not do well, even with that as my opponent. but, you know, hey, I don't have a Bible trivia match up with the President of the United States anywhere on the horizon. So let's move into the bulk of the show here. Like I said, a lot of coup talk. What has happened?

Mark, let's discuss the coup sequences. And yes, there is an end missing from that portmanteau. You know, we combine coup and consequences. But if you think about it for a minute, saying it with the end and there with our accents, not a good look. we didn't like the way it sounded. So we decided to omit the end and talk about the coup sequences tonight. Mark, update us on them. So so far around 120 people have been arrested all over the country.

There's a, the big announcement, the FBI and Justice Department finally held a press conference today. And Maddoch, you have that video. You throw it up there because we've been waiting too long to hear from them. It took fucking, was it been a week since the, six days since the coup and they finally did a press conference? conference. Hit that video together. So yeah, the public isn't familiar with is that the FBI working with the U.S. Attorney's offices across the country and the crux of those being in D.C., we're looking at significant felony cases tied to sedition and conspiracy. Just yesterday, our office organized a strike force of very senior national security prosecutors and public corruption prosecutors.

their only marching orders from me are to build seditious and conspiracy charges related to the most heinous acts that occurred in the Capitol. And these are significant charges that have felonies with a prison terms of up to 20 years. Well, there you have it. I mean, I don't know how you felt about it, but I think a lot of people felt on Wednesday watching it. And again, you could tell that it was their expectation too. The insurgents themselves had this expectation of not just lack of accountability, but of being lauded as heroes, basically. And I think there was some cynicism about them actually facing real consequences, even after getting into the Capitol. So,

I mean, you love to see it as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, I mean, when they first were arresting people, it was on like trespassing and property crime stuff, which is like the question was whether they're just getting them into the systems. They can like, uh, uh, you know, do superseding indictments later or whether this was the maximum they're going to get. And I, that I pretty clear that it's not the maximum we're going to get. And if I was them, I would be considering that I'm absolutely fucked because what happens next is they start going through your text message and your social media and finding out if you coordinated this attack and what your expectations were from doing it.

And there goes intent, there goes conspiracy, and there goes your ass to fucking federal prison for a decade or two. So that was, that's what? Sorry. What did you think the, like, the ultimate effect of this round of, he? you know, arrest and federal charges will be on their movement that they have. And what I mean is like, do you think that the others, you know, are reading about it on the internet? Like, do you think they'll be martyred in a way from this? Or do you think people will be like,

oh shit, we probably better not do any more treason or we're going to go to jail? Like, will it, will it tamp it down or will it, you know, stoke the fire? I think, like, dividing all these people into different, like, buckets is useful because, you certainly have the people who are willing to die for this shit, right? But they're a very small portion. And you look at the arrest of them, the people who came out and talked to cameras and gave their name and address in their hometown,

like, what's your name from Nashville? Remember the lady you got, they chased me out and maced me, that lady? No, she's from Knoxville, actually. That's Elizabeth. But I could see how you would get confused, Mark, because one of the other celebrities who emerged from the coup was also a fellow Tennesseean,

zip tie man. Everybody remember zip time, man. He's from Nashville. Elizabeth is from Knoxville. So Volunteer State, well represented in the crew on Wednesday. Zip tie guy. I think we talked about him on Thursday, but he got identified by people on social media

who tracking down using his name, like the various tags. He had like a Tennessee militia sticker and whatever, and they traced him back through social media. And they found a picture he'd take him with this lady who apparently was with him, who turned out to be his mom. So that's how they found him was they found his.

Every time. His mom broke the fight for him and he took her to the, he took her to the coup with him. And so that's how they found him. The number of people that have been dropped off by their mom at a coup or a riot or whatever. Once these dudes got turned in by their ex-wives too, which is just fucking hilarious. But yeah, his mom bought his plane ticket and they did. They tracked him out through social media and found out that he works at, he's a bartender at,

you want a guest right? I know you already know. but Kid Rock's bar, of course. He's just a militia guy on the side. But these guys are really, really scary. We've got some video that is extremely frightening. But the people in Congress understood it as tremendously scary. There's this quote from this guy named Representative Peter Mayher.

I'm probably fucking up his name. But he's the guy who took Justin Amash's seat after Amash retired from Congress. And he told reasoned that a lot of the Republicans who voted to, throughout the electoral votes knew the charges were fake but were scared for the lives of their families. Like it's just... Okay.

Just because of the amount of distrust I have for the people who did that who still voted to object to the results or whatever, just because of that, I'm almost inclined to call this part bullshit. You know what I mean? Like they're making it like, oh, I had to.

I was scared for my family's lives or whatever. It doesn't let them off the hook or anything, but I just, I don't know. I'm still inclined to think that they just did what they did. See, to my mind, that makes them look worse. Like, if you legitimately believe the election was fraudulent, you vote to overturn it, that's one thing. But if you're just a fucking coward who's voting a way you know is false, that's worse to me. One way you're stupid. Yeah, but, okay, but I think they're doing that regardless of the family endangerment party.

of it. I don't, I don't, I mean, I'm sure at least a couple of them truly believe it was a fraudulent election, but like, Holly, he doesn't believe that. He's like graduated from Yale law school or whatever. It's what I'm saying is most of them, I think, did it, despite the fact that in their head, they didn't believe it to be true. So that, that's true regardless of them. So whether you add in the part about, oh, I was terrified for my family or not, doesn't change that part of it for me and they're shitty either way. Yeah. I mean I guess I know what you're saying but like

Holly like if you read these guys close, let me talk about this last week, but like he was never alleging the actual fraud. He was saying to change the rules to allow universal mail invaliding was a current constitutional. Which like no one really cares about that hyper close reading the constitution bullshit except for

like conservatives who went to the Ivy leagues. No one else gives a fuck. We're just trying to make shit work. And so but it Anyway, he was saying the election should be thrown out because in 1787, the founding father couldn't have conceded of universal male in-balloting, which they absolutely couldn't have because that includes women and black people voting.

So that would have blown their minds regardless. But as to whether or not these dudes were scared. And here's the thing that's happening is like, there's a conventional wisdom settling in that these guys that this mob was all like unruly white trash who just out of control, which is absolutely, some of them were just unruly mobs who got carried away. But a lot of the dude, people went there

a plan and we don't know what that plan was and I hope the FBI was able to write and cut it. Because like, check out this video if Matt has it real quick of these people. I'm being waved through along the way and everything. Yeah, come on up here. Yeah. But how, but how, like, coordinated do you think those different groups were in amongst themselves? Do you know what? Like, I agree.

Some people went there with, like, a plan and fucking IEDs and everything else to, you know, do their thing. But do you think the different sub factions of them who fit that category? Do you think they were coordinated in amongst themselves in a larger sense? I think, though, the only one. There's somewhere somewhere between 20,000 extra people in Washington, D.C. that day for this shit, right?

I would say the whole world party of them came there because the president tweeted they should and they talked themselves on parlor and gab and gassed themselves up and went out there, right? And then you have like the three percenters and the Groyper's and your pre-boys and shit were a little more coordinated and a little more

secretive and were among them. You know, some people did charge in the capitals for a moment, but like a lot of, but there were They weren't talking to each other the whole time, telling each other, we've got to take the Capitol. There's going to be blood. There's going to be broken glass. And there is a, like, let me read this quote real quick, and we'll move on.

But there was a, this is from a BuzzFeed article talking to cops, the Capitol Hill police that day. Quote, there's a heavily trained group of militia terrorists that attacked us. They had radios. We found them. They had two-way communicators and earpieces. They had bear spray. They had flashbangs. They were prepared.

They strategically put two IEDs, pipe bombs at two different locations. These guys were military trained. And I just want to say that before we're like, it gets away from everybody and we just remember being like a, you know, just a smash windows. Yeah, just a bunch of like mall ninja dumbasses who all got together and got hated up and just did a thing. Yeah. Yeah. And so we'll skip ahead to. Okay. So the police presence, the guys said they were having trained and militaristic and that's true. But there's been a bunch of police that were found out to be. there on the good guy over the country yeah people flew in and there's been like there's a there's a bunch of capital cops have been suspended for taking pictures and helping show them around uh there's uh off-duty cops from philadelphia seattle um that are under investigation

uh and matt found uh well there's an old story we were reading them from mother jones about all about q and i influence on police officers which is frightening as shit but you go in any like close group for police and they're trading Q&N on stories all the time. So you were talking about, you know, the cops that have said since, like, no, these were people with military training and whatnot and it was very serious. And like you just said, it was also some off-duty cops on the other side. And that's the part of it, like part of the mental gymnastics involved with what these people are doing is truly mind-boggling to me how they could ever just rationalize this

in their brain. Because here's a quote from one of the articles we're talking about from. a young black police officer who was on duty that day. So he's like a rookie cop who is a black guy who was at the Capitol that day. And he said that he was on the steps to the rotunda on the east side of the Capitol engaged in hand-to-hand battles trying to fight the attackers off. He said they were outnumbered 10 to 1 and described extraordinary scenes in which protesters holding blue Lives Matter flags launched themselves at police officers. This is a quote.

He says, we were telling them to back up and get away and stop, and they're telling us that we're on your side. We're doing this for you. And they're saying that as I'm getting punched in the face by another one. That happened a lot that day. We were getting pepper sprayed in the face by these protesters. I'm not even going to call them protesters by these domestic terrorists. So you had people there with their blue lives matter flags.

And the Nashville guy earlier, you said he had a Tennessee patch. was a blue-lives matter, a thin blue line Tennessee patch that he had on. So they're all up there with all their Blue Lives Matter stuff, just beating the shit out of the cops, beat one of them literally to death. And like how, like, how in the world do you rationalize something like that in your head, you know? I mean, a bunch of people on the left have been saying it the whole time,

but I think this makes it pretty clear. The Blue Lives Matter flag is not a pro-cop flag. anti-black people flag. And that's the way you got out. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Because again, this cop I'm talking about was a black cop. And I'm not saying this is true for every black cop or every white cop that was there.

But, you know, the dude taking the selfies and the other cops that went viral for ushering them in or whatever, white cops. And then you hear from the black cops. And it's, yeah, we were getting pepper sprayed in the face while they were telling us that, you know, it was for our own good or whatever, basically. Yeah. You can throw that up Matt if you want. So there's off-duty cops flew in.

So far there's like 10 or 15 departments for investigating people that see New York Times reports of cops from Texas, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, now under similar scrutiny after Seattle. San Antonio, this is like, there was a hearing last year. Matt dug up footage from it about white supremacist infiltration.

police departments and of course no one did anything because no one knows how to deal with cops like like out of control cops because who you call right um we're we're just sort of stuck in this fucking dilemma where it's like the no one wants to go up against police like we i mean we live in um even in like democrat supposed liberal control cities no one will stand up to police chiefs there's no actual accountability for officers in new york l a portland you list goes on and on philadelphia Philadelphia. Yeah, I don't know. So I want to because we should have Silas coming on soon in the next few minutes. And before that, I wanted to make sure and ask you about this part. So yeah, there was a coup. It didn't go particularly well. Been a lot of arrests, a lot of federal charges

coming for them. We talked about the divisiveness on both sides of the thin blue line or whatever as far as all that goes. So I'm wondering how you feel about the coming days where this is concerned because the FBI is warned of armed protests being planned at all 50 state capitals and again in Washington, D.C. Like, they're still out there on the internet saying, we're going to do it again, you know. And I'm wondering how you feel about that currently. And then I'll say what I think briefly. I mean, there's a protest today in Texas state capitol where a bunch of people stood up with guns.

But of course, that's a standard protest in Texas. So I don't like it. I mean, there's no protests in Texas where a bunch of people don't show what they are. That goes left, right center, whatever you want to, whatever you want to say about it. But the Joint Chiefs today put out a, just a random press release reminding the troops that you're open to the Constitution. And this was a little scary to me because there were reports of a bunch of ex-military people in the capital coup and the riots. And there have been a bunch of military people saying we should, because you can court marshal people that are retired and take away their pensions and shit. There's been like some agitation for that kind of stuff.

And maybe they're just trying to remind people that we can do that. So fucking stay home, stupid. Maybe that's happening. But like what happens with like, you got a Republican saying that if there's impeachment, it only makes stuff more violent, which seems ridiculous to me because of it. There's no, Trump's not in office on the 20th to be to find to keep in my office. I don't know what people would show up for. That doesn't make sense to me.

But yeah, I guess some of it depends on what happens with impeachment. Yeah, and I don't, just the sheer logistics of it to me make me not quite as worried about it because they were all centrally located with this one and it was like the big one in DC, you know, that they were all there for. And when they start like purposefully spreading themselves thin by planning 50 plus different ones, I'm just, I don't know, I'm skeptical of their efficacy, Mark, at the end of the day. And maybe that, you know, me just being optimistic or telling myself that. but yeah, that's how I feel about it. I'm trying not to worry about it too much. Not that it should be dealt with likely by the people in charge. Of course it shouldn't.

I'm just saying, you know. But right before we bring Salas on, I want to do a quick impeachment update because it's relevant to the conversation. So Pelosi's supposedly going to have the votes to impeach Trump tomorrow. That's going to happen tomorrow. Why it took seven days? I don't know, but that's Pelosi working at Pelosi's fastest speed, being cautious. And Liz Cheney came out today with a more forceful statement,

than anything. Belos has ever said, saying it's the biggest act of treachery by President of the United States in history, broke his oath, all that shit. And there's a Republican group now pledging $50 million to defend, to defend Republicans who's to support impeaching Trump to defend them against whatever tax he comments. It doesn't have his Twitter anymore. It comes from Trump. I'm not sure how they're going to do that. His megaphone's been taken away. But the stutter is Mitch McConnell leaked on background to the New York

times that he's pleased about appeasement believing it'll be easier to purge Trump from the GOP. So that's interesting to me. I don't know what game he's playing. Yeah, who knows? I mean, it's always a game with him, you know, for sure. All right, so let's get to Silas here. Our guest tonight is Silas Duane House. I said his middle name because it's one of my favorite names on earth, Duane.

I love all the various spellings of Duane. But we got Silas Duane House. Silas is an American writer. Best known for his novels, but he's also a music journalist, environmental activist, and columnist. House's fiction is known for its attention to the natural world, working class characters, and the plight of the rural place and rural people. He last week had an op-ed in the Atlantic titled A Warning from a Democrat in a Red State, and we're going to talk about that and more with Mr. Silas House. Bring him on here. Hey, Silas, what's up, man? Good to see you again.

Me and Silas know each other. Howdy? We've met before. What's up, dude? How you doing? As good as I can be while the country falls apart, I reckon. Yeah. So, all right, just so people know, you're from Kentucky,

you're originally from a more rural part of Kentucky and now live in Lexington. Is that accurate? That's right. Okay, cool. So I think this is, I think what you wrote about is even more accurate now in the wake of these coups and everything. Because Mark mentioned earlier that the conventional wisdom that's settling in about the coup and everything. It's like, oh, it's just a bunch of riled up white tracks. or whatever.

And we all know about Trump in 2016, and it was, oh, it was, you know, white trash, rednecks, hillbillies, or whatever that got him elected. And your article's all about the danger, as you put it, of kind of lumping everyone together who's from those places into that same bucket. Obviously something Mark and I and you know a lot about,

being white, rural Americans, and just getting, we all get put into the same box. and it's not a good box to be in, right? Right. I mean, we're seeing that already, you know, all over social media. The people who storm the Capitol are being called hillbillies and rednecks and all that. And I mean, some of them were, but not all of them were. Right.

And that's what always burns me up. It's like that lets everybody else off the hook, right? Like all these people who are from all over the United States and from the cities, they just sort of get a free pass and it all gets blamed on on the country people because everything gets blamed on, you know, poor people and people assume that everybody from a rural place is poor. So I think that's the mentality. Right.

Well, you know, I've like, I've had this brought up in so many times over so many interviews over the years. I've always had to like make a point to be like, listen, I'm not saying to you that those people don't exist or that, you know, a lot of, rural Americans or Southerners or whatever are the way you think they are. They are. I'm not trying to act like they're not. All I'm trying to say to you is, A, it's not all of us. And B, there's a lot of that shit in every other state in this country too. And that's my only point. Yeah, that's what I really

wanted to write about in the Atlantic piece was, you know, in my home county, 4,883 people voted against Mitch McConnell. That's only 17% of the people who voted in my home county. So I hate that. I wish it was way more. Right. But I'm proud of that for 8,883 people. And I know what it's like to stand up for something like that when everybody in your whole world is saying you're a baby killer if you don't vote for Mitch McConnell. You know, that's the number one thing they say. You, you are a socialist. You know, they talk about that like it's such a terrible thing. You are everything that's wrong with America if you don't vote for Mitch. And they'll even say, you know, how much they don't like Mitch, but at least he is for all these things that the church especially

keeps telling them they should be for. So, I mean, it's complicated in one way, and in the way it's not complicated. It frustrates a hell out of me because I know so many good people. You know, so many good people who fall into that trap of thinking that they have to vote this way on one issue. It drives me crazy. How much, you just mentioned it, I always thought that, because I grew up very rural county in Tennessee, and I always thought, you mentioned earlier, it's like the church is telling them, these are the things you're supposed to support. And I just wonder if you could elaborate on that a little bit, how much you, you know, I don't want to say blame God, but you know what I mean, how much of it comes down to the church's doctrine and the influence the church has in these places that then bleeds over into their political views and whatnot, like the extent to which you think that is a factor.

Well, I always say that, you know, religion has done so much good for the world and religion has done so much harm for the world. And so I think all I can base it on is where I'm from, that little community that I know, my family, And I know that it always comes back to that they have to get rid of legalized abortion. They have to take rights away from all of us gay people. They have to make sure that their guns aren't taking away. That's what it's all about. Abortion, gays, and it has a real orchestrated threat against their gun. That's always the thing.

Let's put prayer back in school. I've heard, you know, my whole life. no concept of a separation of church and state. And that's certainly something you hear in the church all the time is that everything that's wrong in America is because, you know, they took prayer out of schools. And just that sort of rhetoric that, I mean, it's just constant.

It gets rammed down your throat every day. And even people that don't go to church will say that. And are part of it. It's not only the church, it's the culture too. why do you think and I know Mark has a question I'm sorry Mark I'll give you some time on the floor here in a minute but following up on that why do you think that everything you just said which again in my experience also completely true why do you think that so far outweighs to a lot of these people things like uh you know making sure your may ma ma maw's medicine is paid for making sure that your nephew who's on pills is taken care of and not just thrown into jail making sure that whether the factory comes back or not, you've got somewhere to work or you have some money in your pocket so you don't have to worry.

These progressive policies that would absolutely benefit these people, why do you think that it seems to be so tilted in the other direction to all the things you just named a minute ago that they care about? I don't know except that I know that, well, I guess the only thing I can think of is that those are the things that the politicians keep saying, are important because they know that's what can divide us the easiest. And so they home in on those key issues, and they just keep on and on and on, and it comes up all the time.

And it's, you know, it's the culture war. And I think those are the main points of the culture war. And that's why I get so frustrated because I do know so many good people who really do care about their mammals having the medicine they need and not wanting people to, go broke trying to have health care and things like that. But the preacher, the preachers keep pounding home what the politicians say. And it just gets so tangled up in the whole culture that it's overpowering. I guess, I don't know.

You know, all I can do is guess on that. Right. But I also think that a lot of that are things that are directly affecting. them in a different way. It's like they'll be all for health care if, you know, they suddenly get in a medical emergency, but they can always relate to not having the gun taken. Right. They can always get on this sanctimonious, I'm a better Christian than you thing.

You know, that's easy to fall into. I'm sorry, go ahead. No, it's like, I mean, it's kind of like, at a leadership level for that side, I feel like what you just said is sort of also played out with a lot of the Republican congresspeople last week during the coup, meaning a lot of them that plan to be on Trump side and object to the vote and whatnot,

as soon as like they were in a situation where they're like, oh shit, I might be in danger because of this. A lot of them, you know, change their minds all of a sudden. And I think you're right. There's like a lot of times it comes down to being person affected by something for that person to understand it right yeah one thing that I looked at in the Atlantic piece was just the way that in a piece that in a piece before the one that we're talking about now I wrote about the Postal Service and

how much rural people depend on the Postal Service you know to get their medicine I mean yeah the to have access to the kinds of that people in the cities have, you know, right out their door, the mail supplies, that, things like that. But because Trump just kept hammering home this notion of, you know, the mail service was evil, all that, well, then people turned against the postal service. I think what frustrates me so much and makes me so angry when people down home do that, is that I know they're not stupid people. And that's what, that's what everybody always goes back to. they'll say they're so stupid they're so ignorant well what's troubling to me is that they're not

most of them know exactly what they're doing i would i could accept it a lot better if they didn't know what they were doing but they know they know what they're voting for and that is what i find especially troubling now with that said that they i want to point out i'm talking about the people who are voting uh who are you know apostles for trump and mccannell and keep these awful people in office like Ram Paul he's the worst god I can't stand him yeah and you know and that but they're not dumb people the vast majority or not I mean my people are not stupid people right and that's why I just it's why it boggles my mind yeah and that's I mean like you you raise a good point that

not all people in Kentucky need to deserve to be dumped in the same boat because at least one of them beat Ram Paul up and that was his neighbor so that But like you point out like like everyone being seen as a monolith is so like weird like like just talking about the the the coup protests like like like the few people I saw arrested. They're like two CEOs, one high up attorney for insurance company. The lady who died RIP, she owned her own business and had been a bit on a boat for on boat parades. Like these aren't poor people and you can you know that definitionly because people flew in for this. They had days off and they had money to travel and they had money for expensive guns and tackle gear and shit. But the, you point out, like, like, speaking of which, like, your Atlantic article, you talked about how the hashtag fuck Kentucky was trending.

But like, don't people realize that includes Brianna Taylor and her family and the people there were in Louisville all summer? You know, it's very and weird, you know. Right. And, you know, and people always say to me, when I say just what I'll say, they'll say, but there are a lot of dumb people there. Well, there's a lot of dumb people all over America or, I mean, obviously. or we wouldn't be in the situation we're in right now, you know. But I think that's what it always comes back to me is this generalizing is real dangerous. And as much as I myself slip into it, I mean, I think it's pretty hard not to do that when you're talking about these things.

But I think we have to keep reminding ourselves of those 4,883 people in Laurel County, Kentucky, who stood up and said, no, I'm not going to vote for this kind of behavior. I'm voting against it. And I just, you know, I want to, I want to stand up for them and say, they are not stupid. They are not mean people. And they're Kentuckyans. They're rural people. They're working class people. So let's not lump everybody in there.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, man. Couldn't agree with you more. Silas, give us a, I mean, if, you know, if you want to, whatever you, like, let people know how they can find your stuff, you know, plug yourself. Tell us what you got going on, how they can look you up, check out what you're doing. Well, I've been writing for the Atlantic here lately through the pandemic. So if you just go to the Atlantic.com and type in my name, you can find all my pieces there. My website, silas-hous-house.com.

And I've published seven books, so anywhere that sells good books will have them. So look for there, I hope. That's awesome. Right on. I wanted to add. So it's your middle name. Dwayne? Which way do you spell it?

Because I'll tell you my favorite spelling A-A-N-E. Mine is unusual. It's D-W-A-N-E. Okay, I like that. D-W-A-Y-N-E. D-U-W-A-Y-N-E, D-W-A-Y-N-E,

I don't know. I've always been partial to the name Dwayne in all its various incarnations. I went to school. I went to school with a bunch of Duane, some of them were DeWanes. Yeah. Some of them were Duwains.

Yeah. Right on. Well, this is, Silas. Thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it, man. And I hope I see you in Lexington before too long. Whenever it comes to legal to do shit in public again, I'll see you there and I'm looking forward to it. All right. Y'all take care. Thank you, so.

See you, buddy. Yeah. Right on. Just to play one more time, a warning from the Red State. Democrats need to see beyond electoral map to acknowledge that people are pushing for liberal ideas, even the reddest of areas. That's from January 3rd at Silas's last article in the Atlanta. It's great. All right. So we're trying. I say try because as y'all know, we had some issues with the graphics and stuff up top.

But we're going to try to move into some comments and whatnot if we can. I want to tee y'all up a little bit. How pessimistic or optimistic are you guys about the coming days where coups are concerned? because I know y'all know friend of the show diamond drew Morgan is very uh well I don't know he's pretty pessimistic he thinks that uh that there's going to be a lot of shit goes down in the coming days he's like I'm not saying he his old thing is I'm not saying they're going to win like that they're going to overtake the government I'm not saying that but I very very much anticipate that a lot more shit is going to go down and people will get hurt and that type of thing.

So where do you fall on that spectrum, Mark? Look, you will never go broke in America, betting on a shooting happening soon, right? That's just never going to be. Yeah. So I'm not predicting anything. I'm saying it's easy to say because it's probably going to happen eventually. If you don't, if your bet doesn't come true this week,

you will the week after or week after that. And Corey X made a funny joke recently that the pandemic's been really hard on mass shooters, but it's because there aren't any masses, right? Yeah, that's a bummer for them. Yeah. Sticastic terrorism happens costly in America, lone wolf type shit. And you never, like, we sometimes we ladder ourselves about how coordinated it is. Like, there's a famous example.

Like, everybody pretended Timothy McVeigh acted alone. Maybe he did, but there was a lot of shit no one actually bothered to look into because he didn't want to think about it. But as far as, like, what the outcome is, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a couple more events worth three or four or five people get killed like they were at the capital last week i don't think they'll make it into the capital again i think the national guard's been called up and they're on they're on high alert now and these uh these dudes pissed the fbi i off which is not a position you want to be in so in the mass of comments flying by over here to my right i saw one from jean vale that said i don't think it's going to stop stop after the 20th and i think

that's fair i feel like and amy tony here says i'm pretty effing pessimistic and those two are related I feel like we have kind of been almost presupposing or taking it for granted, like, what's going to happen over the next nine days, you know, between now and the inauguration? But as Gene points out, who the hell says it's going to stop on the 20th? And that's fair to bring up, too, I think. Look, if, like, I'm, the way to think about things is, like, things are probably going to get worse in some ways and better in other ways. And that's the way life goes on this planet. So our political situation is pretty shitty. We could get better quick, fairly, I really think a new voting rights act will

cure a lot of our ills and they deflate the temperature a lot because everyone had to get more sane to get elected. I think if you put impeachment up right now in front of the Senate, you need 17 Democrats assuming every, I mean 17 Republicans assuming every Democrat votes. I think you might get close, man. And if that happens, you might break the, you might. be able to ever the Trump movement for the Republican Party. Okay, well, good timing from producer Matt here, because directly related to what you were just saying, and we talked about this

on the last episode, too. Anna Ledford, Anafi, or Aenefi, I hope I got that right, Anna says, you also won't go broke in America betting on the inaction from Congress, which is what I was trying to say last time. I'm not, I know that they could theoretically do it. I just have little to know faith that they actually will. And like you were just saying, are you feeling any better about it now than you did then or what? I mean, the way I read Liz Cheney and Mitch McConnell coming out today is they're telling Nancy Pelosi

to hurry to fuck up because they have their own interests. Like, you forget like, so if we remember all the way back to a week and a half ago before the Georgia elections, right? All the way back to 10 days ago or whatever, which I mean, yes,

five years worth of shit has happened in those 10 days. Yeah. So Trump dumped a turd Mitch McConnell's lap with the $2,000 checks, right? Right. Yeah. McConnell rules his caucus with an iron fist. If McConnell could dunk on Trump and try to fucking crush his influence of Republican politics to the point where people are go back to being more afraid of Mitch McConnell

and Donald Trump, that would be a huge win for him. And rounding up enough votes for impeachment might successfully accomplish that. And McConnell just got elected. He has six years. He's a minority leader. He can, he has tens and 30, tens and 50. 50s and millions of dollars in his personal pack to throw around the safes to either crush senators or help them. All he needs to do is get rid of Donald fucking Trump. So remember in Goodfellows when Joe Pesci thinks he's about to get made and he walks

in that room and sees the plastic sheeting, right? I think we're trying, the Republican Party is trying to find that moment for Donald Trump. Well, a couple things, as we mentioned last week, there's also been a lot of like, you know, their puppet masters, I think, big business. Well, I've been, like big, big business influence, you know, coming out and directly saying, this motherfucker needs to be removed. And obviously, the only reason they're doing that is because it's gotten to a point where they're like, oh, this might cost us money if this shit keeps going, you know.

But I think that that happening could also be an influence on what we're talking about now about them actually doing something about it, you know. But let's read Robin's comment here. Robin Floyd says Congress needs to expel the seditionist. Like, they're talking about, she's talking about, Oh,

among Congress people. Yeah. Okay. Yes, my bad. I thought you were saying, like, all the regular ass seditionists who were up there.

I was like, okay, I'm with you, but to what, like, to the moon? To the, like,

where are we going to expel them to? But no, you mean the people in Congress who participated, like Cruz and Holly and them. And yeah, I fucking, I, agree completely. I mean, here's the thing. Like, everybody hates Ted Cruz. This is not a partisan thing.

So if Texas has a Republican governor, they could expel Ted Cruz, think another Republican instantly could be a solid conservative vote who wouldn't be as annoying and have his point of a face. So I think they might be tempted to do that because Ted Cruz is especially annoying even to his colleagues. And I will quote none of them, Lindsay Graham from a, it was a moment, I think, in 2011, 2012, when Ted Cruz was trying to ride the rodeo bowl that was the Tea Party movement. And he did a formative filibuster that wasn't going to affect anything to call the rest of his Republican colleagues sellouts and cowards for raising the debt sale that are crushing the global economy to hurt Obama.

And Lindsey Graham, in response to that, said, if you, if Ted Cruz was murdered on the floor of the Senate and you held the trial in the Senate and you would not get one vote for, you would not get one vote to convict. Was it, was Al Franken that said something like, I like Ted Cruz more than pretty much anybody. And I hate Ted Cruz. Yeah, you're right. Like, seems like no one likes him.

So yeah, fucking jettison that motherfucker. He had a couple staff members who's not in protest today. No one likes the motherfucker. No one likes him. You look at pictures of him trying to kiss his kids. They recoil at his touch. He's a extremely unlikable person. Yvonne Payne says Biden and Harris should go to Vegas and get inaugurated in secret.

Yeah, but what do you think? I mean, I know what Yvonne's getting at. A lot of people are worried about the inauguration itself, like the safety of Biden and Harris, given what just happened. Where are you on that particular topic? Well, there was apparently a briefing last night where the FBI and DHS briefs, House Democrats about the current state of the threat. And there were three big warnings having to do with terrorist attacks coming out. They didn't get too specific.

But one thing that had to happen after that was that a bunch of congressional Democrats requested that there be metal detectors, the inauguration, that even new members of Congress have to go through them to make sure they're not going to assassinate the president and vice president. So, yeah, that's where we're at. Yeah, I think that, and again, you know, I feel like I tend to come across as the more optimistic one on this show, but I feel like this also, given what just happened last Wednesday and how that all went down, I have to think that the already insanely high level of security

you would have at a presidential inauguration will be amped up even more now. And I know you've got bad faith actors on the inside or whatnot. I get that. But just it, there's going to be such a higher level of scrutiny and everything given to it now than they're even, would have been to begin with that I don't know, I think they'll have it under control personally. It won't be the shit show that it was last Wednesday, I don't think.

I don't think any large group of people is going to be able to get within a mile of the inauguration without being strafed by an Apache helicopter. Forget ideology or whatever. These people embarrassed the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. They fucking embarrassed

them. Like, somebody who's in domestic intel analysts got yelled at by a bunch of supervisors because it wasn't communicated up the chain forcefully enough that it was going to be this dangerous. Somebody like this is going to, somebody's not going to get a raise their promotion because of this. They're fucking pissed. Yeah. I wanted to ask while we're waiting on Matt to find another one something I was going to bring up to you earlier. Help help me understand in so far as you understand it. I've heard people say we're talking about Trump getting impeached for the second time and everything earlier and the possibility of that lead.

One of the consequences of that could be that it means that he cannot run again, because obviously there's been a bunch of chatter about him running again in 2024 and whatnot. Will you explain to me and to people listening and don't know how that actually works? Like, what has to happen for that? Because that would be great.

I would love that. If we insured that he literally cannot run again, what would have to happen for that to come into play? there is um i think it's in the 14th amendment um where there's some sort of clause you can vote you can ban like like the um Pelosi invoked the 14th uh in her statement about impeachment a couple days ago and some people read it as an implicit threat to new members of congress they're going to be voted out and don't shut the fuck up and fall in line because you can expel people from congress like we talked about earlier um but you can't invoke there's certain clause when you do impeachment but you can ban someone

for running for office going forward i'm not sure it's exactly how that works. You can have to ask. Okay. So when you are impeaching someone, you have to make the effort to include or invoke this specific clause you're talking about. And then that's what brings that into effect, that it would stop him from running in the future. I think so. Yeah, I know. I mean, yeah, you're not a fucking congressional law year or whatever, but you're smart. If I don't read that point out. But like, but a, there does exist a way to do it. I don't think it's a default thing that happens with impeachment.

I think there has to be something else invoked and voted on by Congress, but they can include that in impeachment for his divisions. Because I don't think anyone who would vote for impeachment would not vote for that because they all want to be present themselves. Why wouldn't they move someone out of the way if it could? I briefly saw a hater comment fly by a minute ago that said, go live in China. That's what Biden's bringing to you.

That comment was from, I shit you not, Mark, Wanda Whiteman Wanda Whiteman said we should just move to China if we're excited about what Joe Biden's bringing to the country. All right, here we go. Here's the clause in the 14th Amendment. No person shall be

elected by yada yada yada or holding the office, having previously taken oath as a member of Congress or officer of the United States who has engaged in insurrection and rebellion against the same or given aid. So if you convict Trump for having instigating a rebellion. So it's the specific charge is what it is.

It would have to specifically be insurrection or whatever that he got charged with that would invoke that. All right. Yeah. Okay. Let's say here. I'm moot. Damn it.

Again, as I've explained to y'all before, what me and Mark see of the comments is they pop up, six at a time and then fly by very quickly. But somebody I saw telling wanted to go live in Pakistan. Bill Barry says Trump won't run again. His daughter will be running. Yes, Mark, what about a Trump dynasty? How you feel about that? I don't know.

Probably. Like, I think probably Governor of Florida is more her ambition, something like that. But I don't think this final taste, she feels like she's been. pretty embarrassed and doesn't like this much contentiousness around her. Like I don't think she likes the abuse and spotlight the same way her dad does. But the fight of it, the you know, the pig and shit likes it

kind of thing that her dad enjoys. It's also been talked about before and I think we talked about briefly, but I think that like I know how stupid this sounds, but you think about the type of people they are. The implications this has had for her

social life. Do you know what I mean? Like meaning that they're not, they will never again be accepted into those same circles of like high society, cultured fucking moneyed people because their persona non grata now, which I think that I don't know anything about how those people operate. Maybe I'm wrong about even saying that. But I think if that was the truth, then that probably really bothers Ivanka a lot, I would imagine. The thing, the perverse thing about their fucking dynasty or their succession episode is she, like, she had the life her father won it.

Like all he wanted his whole life was to earn the effect of like people. And they all thought he was a dumb fucking hick scumbag slumber from Queens. He built the office building in Manhattan. No one cared. He got his own TV shows. People still thought he was trash. He thought if he'd get elected president, they'd finally receive. him. Here's the thing, Ivanka,

Ivanka grew up money. She wasn't considered new money. She was on Gossip Girl. She married into the Kushner family who's old money. Her fucking, her sister-in-law was Carly Clause. She had her own fashion brand, right? She was living Donald's dream. Dude, yeah. He's going to work for her.

So, unless she's going to backtrack and go the other route and try to give revenge on the world that squirmed her like her fucking dad did, I don't know what her play is. Because she doesn't seem that's motivated by spite like he is, but who knows. Buddy, you just laid it down right there. Every bit of that.

What's up? And with that, let's go out on it. We'll be back in 48 hours for Thursday's edition. This has been a fun show. Thank you all very much for joining us. This is evening skews. We'll see you next time. See you.

Topi, well, it might be better. Toby Keith and Ricky Skaggs get admitted, getting the presidential medal of freedom. Well, did y'all hear that? How about that? I cannot wait to hear what the hell Mark was talking about there. Thanks for joining us, everybody. It's Thursday, January,

14th, I'm Trey Crowder, and that's Mark Agee. So, Mark, what did you just say? So yesterday, I think it was yesterday, Toby Keith and Ricky Skaggs got the Presidential Medal of Freedom for Trump, which

occasion to this anecdote of Chris Christopherson, I'm just ripping Toby Keith, a fucking new asshole from a Western, Woodson's 70th birthday concert. So in 2009. So I gather uh toby keith was passed by christoprason and said something about keith and not too much

that lefty shit right said that to christopherson and so chris confronted him and basically called him a dumb ass asked me to ever worn a uniform and take it up arms for his country and he got into it and toby back down when he realized he was a chicken hawk coward but anyway this quote uh really stuck out to me um do you know what wayland jennings said about guys like him christ iverson said to willie what Waylon Jennings said about guys like Toby Keith let me answer this please because I would like to answer this trivia question and see if I get it right

he said about either Toby Keith or DeGarth Brooks or guys like him, Waylon Jennings said something the effect of he does for country music what pantyhoes have done for finger fucking is that what it is? Yeah, yeah. Which is the

a lot baked into that, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, you know. Can you know you accepting the Presidential Medal of Freedom this week? This is the same ceremony that Bill Belichick turned down going to. Right. That's what I was about to bring up, is that, yeah, Bill Belichick turned it down. And Bill Belichick's been a longstanding supporter of Trump,

wrote him basically a love letter in 2016, congratulating him on the phenomenal job he's done and all that stuff. So for that guy to have now turned around and turned it down. And like I feel like if you know what the Presidential Medal of Freedom is, you know, for contributions outstanding to the culture and whatnot, I feel like with football being America's most popular sport, I think it's hard to argue that Bill Belichick doesn't objectively deserve it if other people do. And so I'm saying I think that makes it more impactful that he turned it down. So yeah, it's been a hell of a week. Belichick's letter is really funny because the way it was phrased was the decision has been made to not accept the, not attend the ceremony.

He made it sound like it was a whole passive voice stuff. So I'm not sure whether he was too cowardly to say fuck off want to go or whether somebody told him he couldn't. Right. It was funny. But like the president, it's been so cheap and like it's like, I mean like would you would you want the same award that Ricky Skaggs got? Right. I know that's what I'm saying. Like, yes, I said like when you look at the other people that have got it, Belichick, you know, it's hard to argue that he doesn't deserve it. So listen, anyway, here we are. This is the show. That's me and that's Mark. Listen, we only just found out. It's not his fault. We are without producer Matt tonight unexpectedly because not to give away producer Matt's location to all the, you know, insurgent trolls out there that we've got in the audience possibly. But he lives in the Great Plains area, and where he lives, it's apparently coming a full-on blizzard right now. And because of that, producer Matt's Wi-Fi and his whole shit, Mark, is down, which we've only just found out.

So Mark and I are producerless for the first time in a while tonight. We're going to do the very best we can. Keep in mind, please, if I get lost along the way, which is likely, I think, I'm trying to, to be both host and producer, so please bear with me, everybody. But with that in mind, let's do the show. We've got some great stuff tonight. Yes, we've talked about the first impeachment of President Donald Trump on the show before, but what about second impeachment, y'all? Well, here it is. We're going to talk about it, dare I say, revel in it a little bit. Who knows? You know, we've got some other coup sequences from the insurgents last week. It's still ongoing.

That'll be fun. And some other fun type of. depending on the amount of time we have or the amount of time we can get through with me as the producer. But first, we begin with the Daily Dumbass. I don't have the graphics, so let's just do the Daily Dumbass. Tonight's Honorary. Thank you, Mark. I appreciate to help. Tonight's Honorary is a very high-profile figure known by all who has somehow so far managed to avoid being honored in this humble segment of hours.

But tonight, I'm thrilled to welcome to the Pantheon. of Daily Dumbasses on Evening Skews, one James Comey, who had this to say about a possible pardon of Donald Trump by Joe Biden. Here we go. Do you think Joe Biden should pardon Trump as Ford did Nixon? I don't know. He should consider it. Now, I don't know whether Donald Trump, he's not a genius, but he might figure out he accepts a pardon.

That's an admission of guilt at the United States Supreme Court. has said, so I don't know that he would accept a pardon, but as part of healing the country and getting us to a place where we can focus on things that are going to matter over the next four years, I think Joe Biden's going to have to at least think about that. Do you think he's going to have to at least think about it, Mark? Do you think Joe Biden should at least think about pardoning Donald Trump? I mean, I've thought about becoming an astronaut. What does it even matter?

What does that mean? I'm sure the thoughts going to occur to him. But the thing that bothers me about this is like Jane Comey is making. the same mistake he made in 2016, 2015, 2017, all the fuck over again. He applies this, like, very amateur understanding

of politics to legal issues, right? It's like he was trying to gauge who would be maddered him. Democrats in the executive branch after they won the presidency or Republicans in Congress over whether his prosecution is,

doesn't know whether or not to indict or prosecutor, not to drop in case against Hillary or whatever. He's still, doing the same shit over and over again. Whether or not Trump should be convicted of a crime should be contingent upon whether the fact he fucking committed a crime or not. That's the end of it. He's a cop. He's not a politician.

Right. Yes. That and also, I just think like you said, he has a very low understanding politically, I guess, but I think even just from a political perspective, I can't imagine anything worse for Joe Biden politically, in my opinion, than entertaining

the notion of pardoning Donald Trump right now. Like to even suggest that, I think, as a, like, oh, well, look, it's something that deserves being thought about. I think it's just ridiculous. If you know anything about American politics where we are right now, it's absurd to even bring it up. Are you saying that bestowing the grace of forgiveness upon Donald Trump wouldn't result in the Republican Party embracing Joe Biden and all that he's standing for?

Excepting him as a legitimate president that possibly wouldn't do anything but make the left and centrist madden? Exactly. Right. That's the other part. First of all, no, it's not going to just magically bring all of the Republicans into the fold, but way worse than that. What would infuriate more the left's

base, or most Democrats in this country, than him doing that right now, in my opinion. Like, it's just ridiculous. The weird thing is, like, the full on left probably would be like, yeah, this is what happens. Nobody, no rich people go to jail. this is we'll be expect. They all stick together, yada, yada. It's like the centrist,

liberal, resistance liberals and, like, people who've been, like, assuming Trump will go to jail and James Comey was a hero, and Robert Mueller was a hero, and all this. There's the people who'd be really mad, and that's who Joe Biden's core constituency hits. So. Right. Right. All right, well, we got a couple of honorable mentions for you, this first one here, another clip. Again, I'm going to do my best. I've got it pulled up. We're going to try. Let me set it up for you. honorable mention. We've talked about senior Georgia correspondent Cory Ryan Forrester, his congresswoman. We've talked about her before, about how she's a lunatic.

She's a Q&N supporter and all that, which is all true. But she's in the news again right now. Her name is Marjorie Taylor Green. And she's in the news because she has already declared that on January 21st, the day, is that the day of or the day after the inauguration? The day after it's next Thursday. Right. the very first full day of Joe Biden's presidency, she is going to formally file

articles of impeachment against Joe Biden right out the gate. And I don't know how y'all feel about it, but let's just use this clip to illustrate where she sort of stands on it and the general response to it. Keep in mind, this was on Newsmax, by the way. And the whole, for the...

This clip taken out of context, sure, The whole clip is very sympathetic to her, obviously, but even I kind of appreciate the way the dude, she announces it and the way the dude ask her this follow-up question, I kind of like. So, and again, I'm sorry that looks small and bad, but we've got a producer.

Look at this. How is that going to work? You are a freshman. You're in the minority. What will happen next? Is this symbolic, or can you really do something about this? Well, like I said, I'm a big believer in having people in office that are actually willing to do the job. And I can't imagine people in this country being so fearful of a future of a Biden presidency that they may be willing to commit violence like they did in the capital here in Washington, D.C.

All right. So I know I don't have to, you know, tell you or you guys watching, Mark, but like a couple things about that. first of all, she doesn't, of course, doesn't give any kind of actual impeachable offense to it. Later on, she talks about, you know, his son's laptop and all that shit that, of course, they bring up. But also, the first response she does give to it is kind of also just saying, like, if we don't have Donald Trump in the White House, then we're going to keep storming the Capitol and killing cops and blowing shit up, right? Like that's sort of the implied underlying sentiment there. So not a great response.

You notice she didn't say comma in case, unless Joe Biden pardoned Donald Trump, as James Comey has suggested, in which case we will totally accept Biden's presidency. I mean, she's fucking lunatic, but she was saying there have been a couple like people that Biden floated to be in the White House who had like registered as foreign agents because they were working for China. She's trying to make that into some sort of sinister question when in reality is just how dirty our government is and to be clean up You know campaign finance and the way lobbying works Because who wouldn't take free money to

To lobby people on behalf of Chinese technology companies or whatever you want to give me a million dollars to make a phone call some guy? I know fucking I'll take it It's not illegal make it illegal Make it illegal But yeah she's she's gonna keep doing this and it's like weird it's weird the juxtaposition where Nancy Pelosi took a week to impeach Trump for trying to over the government, and Margaret Green is going to try to impeach Biden 14 hours into his presence. Yeah. All right.

Our second honorable mention for Daily Dumbass tonight is the Massachusetts parents, who I guess gave 18-year-old Helena Duke a curfew or whatever they did to piss her off, because the Massachusetts teenager has turned in her entire family after recognizing them as being amidst the capital rioters last week. I satir entire, she turned in her mom, her uncle, and her aunt to the feds for being amongst the rioters. And she said, I felt if I did nothing, that that would mean I was as bad as them. But before that, there was a video that got passed around of a white lady yelling in the face of a black lady. that's part of an altercation and apparently said white lady was this teenager's mom because she reposted that video and said hey mom remember the time you told me i shouldn't go to black lives matter

protest because they could possibly get violent dot dot dot this you which i really i really like that that zoomerific use of this you at the end of it like how there's still memes involved in taking your parents down for being treasonous insurgents and whatnot. I'm trying to think of like what kind of crime I would turn my parents in

for and I haven't really thought of it yet. Well, what about treason? Little treason if your parents are I mean, we're both firmly in camp no snitching, right? Yeah, yeah, snitches get stitches, yes. And this snitches go to bed without ice cream, I think is what's going to happen.

I don't really understand their personal dynamic. Obviously, they have political arguments. And I don't know what exactly her mom did at the protest. Maybe if her mom hit the cop and had with a fire extinguisher, then more power to the daughter. But she was just, I don't know. We need some family counseling, I think. Yes.

All right. So, okay, getting into the bulk of the show, of course, as we mentioned up top, we're going to start by talking about second impeachment. first one in U.S. history, Mark, won't you tell us how you're feeling about it a little bit while I bring up this clip we have to talk about it? I think historians 40 years from now are going to have a much clear review of how bad Trump was than half the country does at this moment. I don't think it's going to be controversial in 40, 50 years to say Trump's one of the worst presidents of all time. By the time we have total counts of dead, and on paper he's been impeached twice, and he's now politically,

defeated in every sense. I mean, I know he gained a couple seats in the house this time. That's because people ran it and he got less votes than the Congress did than the congressman he won did. So it's pretty a pretty resounding defeat both politically and on the world stage and in the history books. So

on that note, let's play this clip from MSNBC talking about this exact subject and then we will discuss it further. Here we go and pull this up. Office Depot Office Max has great deals on everything you need to succeed, like stylish furniture. and chairs to keep you working comfortably, the latest tech to keep you organized and productive,

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lost everything. There you go. I got to say. That line, oh, that line just chef's kiss. That's a banger of a line. But I mean, you know, extremely accurate. What else is there to say about it? I mean, when you really line, of course, we are aware of his reverse accolades that he's racked up over the course of his presidency. But when you like line them all up like that in one, it's just very, very, very,

satisfying for me yeah i mean and uh his business is going to be in trouble too like he like he was probably going to coast to still being rich after this even though i know the doche bank loans are coming and do and all that shit but uh he still had a you know fairly big business but like after the coup was in a bunch of like a bunch of people pulling out of leases in trump tower and canceling endorsement deals the people had stuck with him through until now you know like the girl scouts canceled all the real estate in 40 whatever Trump's New York office buildings not Trump Tower but one of the other ones yeah I imagine he's gonna like the last president I think to go broke was you was Ulysses Grant and he responded to it by writing the best presidential memoir which I'm sure Donald

Trump's going to do yeah yeah don't you think though that like and I don't know if this is like extreme or ridiculous proposition but don't you think that outside of this country he would have people that would you know keep him propped up basically if he wanted them to even going forward i mean once you stop being useful to them you're not useful to them anymore yeah that's that's fair yeah i know a bunch of like uh they have people in the middle east and stuff probably oh and so but yeah so on the subject of the impeachment correct me if i'm wrong mark mitch mccanell has already straight up said that the senate's vote on it on whether to convict or not will not happen prior to him leaving office. It will come, it will, if it happens at all,

because plenty of them are saying, because of that, they're like, well, you know, can we even convict a president who isn't the president anymore? That's the thing that's been broached now. But McConnell's already confirmed whatever vote happens if it happens, won't happen until Joe Biden has been inaugurated, right? Yeah, which is like, I guess the, the thought process, is I mean people are assuming it's because he he's trying to protect Trump or trying to gum up the beginning of Biden's administration by bogging him down but like there's a hundred people in the Senate and a dozen committees or whatever they can be doing much different shit at the same time and I don't really think unless the

Democrats want to get bogged down in it then they will but like it I think also Mitch McConnell will be minority leader at that point so he will not be able to defend Trump as well as if he had it now like he do the same jig he did last time with no witnesses and stuff but like if you're the Senate Judiciary Committee holding these impeachment hearings you're talking about calling a ton of witnesses to make him look bad people that worked in the White House about his frame of mind I mean honestly like this could lead like Howley and Cruz looking like shit like it seems to me that McConnell's like you're on your own guys it feels like that's part of it which is funny to me but I don't really who knows is mine

But, yeah. Right. But also, and we talked about previous episode, the idea of him still being tried after he's already left office is still important for other reasons, right? Because there's still implications for what that would mean, theoretically, if he did get convicted even after he'd already left office. Chief among them, him not being able to run for office again in the future

and other implications like not automatically having secret service protection and things like that. It matters whether he's gone or not, is what I'm saying. Not to mention just the justice aspect of it of seeing someone being held accountable for their actions. I mean, there's the, I mean, as far as whether he can be tried after he's out of office, the constitutional lawyers are going to debate that and it's going to, the outcomes, I mean, that's going to be a very, like, academic intellectual argument that I don't really have a full handle on except that, like, there's a precedent.

I mean, the executive branch tried to overthrow the legislative branch, right? Like, there has to be, like, a precedent. Then when you do that, the legislative branch fucking kicks you in the nuts. Like, there has to be, there has to be, like, you put one of ours in the hospital,

we put one of yours in the morgue. That's the Chicago rules, right? You can't just take this shit because the next president will try it and be like, well, there's no consequences for it. You guys have established this. This is what we do. I send a mob to the Capitol, and you guys complain.

That's the system we have. But also, like, there's like, There's like, there's like oversight stuff. Like there were, there's a whole White House apparatus that was involved in various degrees of this. And you can hold them all accountable, even the people who aren't the president. You can have, you can have earrings and get to the bottom of what actually happened, man. Right. What do you think is the reasonable expectation for how the Republicans will actually,

the Republicans in the Senate will actually respond to it? I mean, because I asked, Trump also became the first, he broke the record for most votes of impeachment from your own party. but that was only 10. He got 10 votes from his own party, which is but a minuscule fraction of the total number of Republicans in Congress, right? Like, yeah, it's cool there were 10, but there were a shitload more

who did not back the impeachment vote. Is that indicative of what the outcome would be in the Senate, do you think? Or do you think it's more like in the House they knew that they didn't have to or something? Like, what's your expectation if and when it comes?

to that of how they'll respond the Republicans in the Senate? I think you'd see probably 60% of them saying that this is pointless and we should move on. There's nothing to see here. Yeah. And then you'll get a couple of like a, you know, 10, 15, 20 show vote. I mean, like when you get to 20, that means it's enough to convict, right? So because you need 67 plus 50 Democrats. Joe Manchin might do something stupid because he's stupid.

But I don't know. man like it feels like they'd be freed depending on what happens in the next few months how strong of a controlled trump commands are the republican base seems like he still has a pretty good handle right now but like the outcome the one reason you hold hearings and to get people on paper is because the more republicans rebuke him the weaker he gets right so that's one reason to do it um yeah so that kind of brings us to this thing we talked about in the last episode about republicans fearing for their lives uh in regards to a possible backlash from opposing Donald Trump. We talked before about how a lot of them still voted to object to the electoral votes because they're like, why I thought if I didn't, I was afraid to, you know, Q and non-proud boys would come and kill my family

or whatever. And now there's a report that House Republicans have purchased body armor, hired armed security, and altered their day-to-day routine because they are

afraid of death threats from those people. And like I said before, like I said in the last episode, I'd like, I don't know if I'm, I don't know if it's me being too cynical or just disliking these people so much or what, but I just, I cannot help but feel like this is some bullshit excuses making from, from some of them.

Like trying to give themselves an hour. It's like, well, what was I supposed to do? Like in the future, if they're getting primary and they're facing, you know, backlash from opposing Donald Trump, it's like, listen, I had to. They had my wife held hot. hostage or whatever, you know, even though they didn't, like the equivalent of that. But you got the hostage to way backwards, though.

They're voted to impeach Trump, even though their family was hostage. Like, they did. I mean, I think, like, I don't think very much of these people politically, but I think what they did was very brave, assuming these threats are true, which I believe, because people storm the capital and tried to kill all of them. Right. I'm sorry. I conflated this with the people that still voted to.

oppose the electoral results or whatever and they gave the excuse of oh my life is in danger i got i conflated that with what yeah we're what we're talking about right now which is yes the one of the 10 gop reps who did vote to impeach him said that he did so despite the fact that his life was being threatened so that's my fault no i mean you're right they all are they're all getting death threats so it works both ways you're you're right there are some coward tools say like i did i i wanted to impeach Trump, but I couldn't because they'll say that in general election. Like, I was getting death threats. And the primary, it probably won't help them.

The people, because the people are getting some death threats and be running against them. But some real fun characters that emerged. Like, my favorite guy to come out of all this is a representative Tom Rice, Republican who voted to reject the Biden electors, but also voted to impeach Trump. So his stance is very consistent. Fuck presidents. Yeah. Yeah, he just don't like presidents, apparently.

I don't disagree. Go Tom Rice. But like they're like they, so the after after last Wednesday installed metal detectors, we talked about this a little bit on Tuesday because the applicants are making it a constitutional issue walking around the metal detector. They're calling it on a reasonable search and seizure even though they were setting off the metal detector just kept walking. A bunch of them did that.

Madison Cawthorne claims he has been carrying a gun on the floor of Congress, which has been against House rules since the Civil War, people got shot and got guns pulled on them over slavery. So anyway, so Pelosi has instituted fine $5,000 for first offense and 10 for a second offense. They're taking it straight out of their paycheck, so it can't come out of campaign bonds and shit. So that'll probably get them in line right quick because they make like 170 grand. So by the third offense, you're losing 25 of that. It's a pretty big chunk. Yeah, because, you know, Mark, actions have consequences.

And so with that, let's segue into the coup sequences. is. I'm so proud of myself for that overt, an obvious segue that I explicitly called out to the audience, which is one of the things you're not supposed to do. By the way, if you're just joining us, we have no producer today. We're doing, we're doing it DIY style like we did when we first started in June, July or whatever, because our producer doesn't have internet. So, yeah, he's caught in a blizzard in the Dakotas. So we're so low-fi today. But we're doing, we're making, Trace killing it, guys. Trace killing it. I'm doing my best, buddy. So yes.

Let's move on to the coup sequences as they continue to unfold. So far, approximately 80 cases have been charged and 34 individuals have been arrested in connection with the attack on the Capitol. The FBI has opened approximately 200 subject case files and received about 140,000 digital media tips from the public, which I'll be honest, I wouldn't, I almost feel like that sounds low. you know what I mean? Consider the subject matter. I can't believe they hadn't received literally millions of digital media tips from the public.

I'm assuming that's 140,000 teens email on the FBI on their parents, like that girl from the Daily Domhouse. But I also like to think there's 140,000 videotaped confessions uploaded to Parlor and Instagram and Facebook, which a lot of these people did. Because they're fucking idiots. Parlor got hacked, apparently, because Nazis don't know how to do it on Internet security. and they're all our data got dumped and she including videos tagged by geolocation so every video elevated that day from the capital area

FBI can have custody of I know some private like organizations have downloaded it all and they have it so they'll hand it over if you want an FBI yes it's like you said a lot you know a lot of himself incriminating a lot of dumb assery going on there

another example is Kevin Lyons who's another capital writer who posted a photo of himself in Pelosi's office. Very surprised to have been apprehended apparently. When they told him that it had to do with that picture of him in Pelosi's office being traced, he said, wow, you're pretty good. That was only up for like an hour. And it goes way further than just that. The same guy said he, his social media profiles included a screenshot of a map tracing the route from Lyons home to the D.C. area and beside that was a post that read, I refused to tell my children that I sat back and did nothing. I'm heading to D.C. to stop the steel. Lions then was interviewed by the FBI in Chicago and he acknowledged that he was in D.C. but was evasive about whether

or not he entered the Capitol building. But he then stated that he said he won 100% guaranteed, even though he wasn't sure if he was in the Capitol, he wasn't admitting he was in the Capitol building, he 100% guaranteed them that no one was damaging anything in the Capitol building. Even though he wasn't in there, he 100% guaranteed that wasn't happening. He further stated that he had a dream and in the dream he saw a lot of banging on doors, paper being thrown about, and a mob of people. Yeah. And was just all around utterly surprised to have been caught in this way. So this is the kind of competency you're working with here, I think.

First of all, I hope to never in my life find myself in a position of saying, wow, you guys are good to a cop. Can't feel good to be in interrogation room and admit you've been got. But this guy is great. I like the dream sequence thing where he's like, he's like trying to do like hypothetically speaking if like that's awesome damage like but like i don't feel like your ability to show up but a lot of these people are saying that they didn't know they didn't know they weren't allowed to be there which oh yeah what the the video if you

give yeah go ahead give me just a second and i'll pull up the i'll get the click you're talking about any video actually was inside the fucking capital at this point it was like uh like everyone got to lose the zoo people were throwing shit screaming setting stuff on fire chasing cops around like they're playing tag. It was not the situation you could walk into and be like, this seems orderly and like I'm supposed to be here. It just was not bad. Right, exactly.

So, yeah, so you're saying, Lauder never been like, oh, it's actually, it's funny because it's kind of like that old Dave Chappelle bit of white people and the cops of that whole like, I didn't know I couldn't do that. Yeah. Like, Lather would be like, no, it just, we got swept up in the moment. We thought it was just a protest. We thought it was fine.

But what you're saying, Mark, is that any of the footage you see tells a different story and this is the specific clip you were talking about, I think. Let me play out here. Yeah. Imagine walking in here and be like, what people just do that happen? Yeah. Did you hear that last thing there? He's yelling at the security or cops or whatever it is. You scared now, ain't you motherfucker? That's what he said. Yeah. They're trying to close. If you're just listening to the podcast version, they're trying to close these security doors that are like garage doors coming down. and the crowd is holding them up and keeping them from being closed. And a cop gives up a friend and closed one and starts to run away and they throw a chair in it

and when he screams, you're scared now, motherfucker, motherfucker, at the cop. So, yeah, anybody who says, I didn't know, they're fucking lying. Yeah, so not only did they know, but also, again, continuing on the incompetence of it, going back to Kevin Lyons earlier, that same guy we were talking about, he also he sent an email to FBI special agent

and the email stated quote hello nice FBI lady here are the links to the videos looks like podium looks like podium guys in one of them less the podium let me know

let me know if you need anything else Kevin Lyons I couldn't find it for the show but I found this there's a screen grab from parlor that was really really funny somebody had posted hi i'm from the white house pardons office if you need a pardon for capital hill activities please set you what the times you think you need pardons for and your name and address now this is obviously a fucking fbii agent who's like yeah yeah people will do that people were responding to it and

sending their name and email address and a list of shit they tell you need to pardon for um so that was That was amazing. The White House Pardons office. Oh, thank God you showed up. That pardon lady. See, everybody left to right now. I don't want you to get away with any truly heinous crimes, all right? But in case you find yourself in a jackpot that you do, maybe you did something,

but you don't really deserve some of you've consequences for it. Well, the cop says, just tell me what you did, and I will help you out. I'm sure you've seen the law in order. Right. How that works. So another fun thing that's happening, according to anecdotal reports of spread across the internet recently, is women,

single women, young singles in their area, single women in the Washington, D.C. area have been changing their settings on dating apps like Bumble and saying that they're seeking conservatives, impassioned conservatives, and then when guys respond to, that and connect with them and send them pictures of themselves at the riot proving that you know how

conservative they are they are then turning them into authorities and the fbiide stuff which again chef's kiss been a lot of chef's kiss moments where all this has been concerned i mean as it is i would not understand responding to a cop or tending to be a white house partner attorney i can totally understand falling for a pretty lady right yeah it seems like something i would actually fucking fall for. Look at this cool shit I did. Look at this picture. So they took in Pelosi's office.

And you're like, oh, shit. I thought I was going to get to kiss a lady now I'm in jail. But that one was great too. But like, I don't think people realize how much of this stuff is easy to track down publicly if you know what you're doing. Right. The parley video we showed was dug up by a Bellingcat, which if you don't follow them on social media, you should because they're always doing interesting shit.

Now, they're either a private, publicly sourced intelligence. a gathering operation for this nonprofit, for people just interested in publicly minded stuff. They're the ones who found the Russian agents who poisoned that dude's Scribble in England. They threw social media and geotag stuff. They found the Russian agents, figured they're Russian agents because they went to a military academy in Russia like 10 years ago and they're in the same graduating class. Yada, yada, yada. They're either that, but they crowdsource their information thing,

or they're cut out for British and American intelligence the same way Ricky Leaks was for Russia. I don't know. Anyway, they do cool shit. But sorry, go ahead. So when you talk a little bit about baked Alaska and the other, and I don't mean the blow-torched ice cream dessert prominent in the 80s, although I am a fan, talking about noted Q&ON or Proud Boys, whatever poster with the pseudonym Baked Alaska, and this growing trend of them seeming to turn on each other or rat each other out?

Yeah, so baked Alaska is an old school, all right, dude, from the dawn of the movement, say, 2014, 2015. Isn't that mixed dude? Like Joey Salads who ran for, who ran for Congress and also posted video or YouTube of him peeing in his own mouth. Pissing in his own mouth, yes. Yeah, Joey Salads. That Mike Seradivit class of dudes who alternate between pissing in their own mouths and selling brain pills through their websites. Anyway, that's who baked Glasgow is. Anyway, he live-streamed a video of himself and Nick Fuentes, who was a video.

a leader of one of those white pride groups or whatever, who's big on the internet, in Pelosi's office. Now, he apparently, they're arresting everyone who was on his videos, except for him, which is a big sign that he's a cooperator, he's a cooperator, although he's still kind of denying him, but he's been arrested, but also not only did he turn FBI informant on everybody that was there with him, but he was COVID positive at the time of the riot, which quite possibly makes him the most effective member of the Donald Trump resistance.

The guy's a germ bomb and a fucking undercover agent. Can't really do it better than him. Yeah. And then there's another example that's, you know, came out and been discussed recently from these riders. It's a little bit different. I mean, not any better, but a little bit different that I didn't want to mention at least briefly. Christine Priola or Priola, who's a school therapist. I have children in school.

This is a school therapist who stormed the Capitol and got all the way to Mike Pence's office or chair or whatever. The day after the riot, she quit her job and said that, quote, I will be switching paths to expose the global evil of human trafficking and pedophilia, including in our government and children's services agents. And the reason I want to bring us up is again, as a father, Mark, I'm just very alarmed by this, but also like know that I think there's a certain type of person. I think this lady is an example of them who are like particularly susceptible to the underlying foundation of the Q&ON conspiracy theory.

Do you know what I mean? Meaning that because it focuses on the children in particular. and that's what it comes down to. I think there's a particular type of person who can be roped in all the way roped in when they otherwise maybe wouldn't have if it, you know, was a conspiracy theory about just Vietnam vets or 9-11 or whatever. But because it had QAnon has this underlying protect the children thing going on. Yeah. I think that kind of widens its net for a certain type of person.

Oh, for sure. There was an, I mean, there's been articles written about it. Ben Collins, who's an online disinformation reporter, who, Matt and a producer, I both read a lot of. He works for NBC News, but he made an article about this, usually how Instagram was sucking in, like, regular suburban moms via the state of the children hashtag. Who doesn't want to help children, right? Like, it's like, but then you go two degrees further, and now you're believing in lizard people in blood drinking. Right.

You know, so I'm not really, who knows when people pull out of it? obviously didn't pull out of it and she quit her job before she got fired because you can't do a coup while you work for a school district. I don't matter. Right. A very short anecdote, it's directly related to this, without giving any details away, obviously, I met through my wife a woman who she knew very casually, like an acquaintance of my wife I met a few years ago. And it was shortly after my liberal redneck videos had just gone viral. And I met this lady through Katie. and this lady was very excited to meet me, Mark, as you can imagine. And she was like, she was a huge fan of my videos, which are extremely partisan, extremely political and all liberal in nature. And she liked them a lot.

And Katie has since told me that now she's full on Q&ON all the way down the rabbit hole completely lost in it based on her like Facebook post and stuff. Which like that's insane to me. But you know, it does happen. They'll get you. They'll get these people, man. Yeah. I mean, who knows you might just be in the process of figuring it out.

But like, which social media was only invented like 12, 13 years ago. And we're doing this mass experiment in social psychology with no control group. I'm sure it'll be fine. Yeah, right. Here in just a few minutes, I'm going to try. I'm going to attempt to get into the comments and questions myself. Again, normally producer Matt does that. I'm going to do my best. Try to do that while continue talking to Mark.

So you. Thanks to my aunt Kim. She found the parlor screen grab. I'm not sure where she found out, but she had it handy. But it's even funnier that I remember because. It says, what crimes do you think need to pardon for in the briefest explanation of why you think you need to pardon? E.G. trespassing, entered the Capitol, theft, stole art from the Capitol, assault, et cetera, et cetera. So it gives you you prompts, for examples of crimes you might have committed.

So you can just literally outline to the letter every little treason that you committed or whatever. As any good scam does, it has a ticking clock on it. And anybody says, well, this deal expires at midnight if you don't buy this car now. you know, so the president needs this list by Tuesday before the House votes to impeach you go. Your name is the president now. If you want this 10 CDs for a penny, you've got to respond by Tuesday, the 14. So, yes, again, just a minute. I will tackle the comments and questions to the best of my ability.

Let us know how you're feeling about the impeachment round two or the coup, any of that good stuff. And I'll see what I can do. But first, I did not want to get through this episode without at least. mentioning this story, because it has to do with turlets, porta parties, Mark. Big fancy ones. Actually, it's not that fancy. If y'all that don't know, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner refused to allow their Secret Service agents to people guarding their lives

to use any of their, I believe, six bathrooms that they have at their primary house in the swankiest part of the Washington, D.C. area, because they will, not let them use their bathroom, any of their bathrooms. The Secret Service had to try other options so that their boys could poop. Guys and gals could poop while in the line of duty or pee. And so what they did was they, at first, for a little while, they were literally using one of the Obama family's bathrooms. Yeah.

Using a bathroom in a house owned by Obama. Yeah. They put a porta potty out on the street. out on the street or right by the street in this swanky-ass neighborhood. So obviously that didn't fly. Yeah, the neighbors complained about that because they, apparently they hate the, they hate the Trump,

the Trump-Buschner family anyway because they're big dicks in the community. But they also, they block the sidewalk with a porta body for a while. So the neighbors are like, what the fuck, man, you won't let me use your toilet. Now we got to smell shit. We're walking our dogs. We can't even walk down that sidewalk. So do something. So the ultimate solution that was decided upon,

and this a while ago now was that the Secret Service the US government the American taxpayer would rent a space it's a it's a basement apartment basically in this swanky neighborhood just so the Secret Service could pee and poop in it the cost of that $3,000 a month to date over $100,000 of taxpayer funds literally only and direct because Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner will not let the people guarding their lives use any of their six bathrooms. So, yeah, they're going to fare really well in the fallout of all this, I think. I understand it's probably a pain of the ass

having Secret Service production, having people all up in your business hearing all your marital fights and all your fucking dumb shit, everything you say to each other. It probably sucks. Also, this thing where you make the help enter through the back and use a separate bathroom i just can't wrap my head around in any sense instance much less the people who carry you

are armed with bulletproof vests whose job to take a book a bullet for you on their uh on their down shifts rather than back in the SUV with automatic weapons and they come to you and they're like oh my stomach hurts you're like sorry man shitters full uh yeah i can't process it man can't process it they're just all around bad fucking people too and their their their their excuse when this nor this story was being written. What they said was it wasn't their decision. The Secret Service voluntarily decided they did not want to Dane to use Ivanka and Jared's bathrooms

and they don't know what happened next. Although I don't know how you missed the porta potty in front of your damn house. Yeah. So I, all right, look through the comments. I saw one, it flew away immediately. It said it was from Rachel Barlow Flowers. If it's the same one, I kind of grew

up with Rachel. I've known her since we were like 14 years old. So if it's that, if it's the Rachel, I think it is. Hey girl, what's up? I've seen you in forever. And she said, trust me, Trey, people back home have gone completely conspiracy crazy around here. And I'm sure that's probably true. I just, it's really upsetting to me, like, I don't know, because, you know, I'm a, Mark, I'm, like, I'm not godly at all. I'm the opposite.

So to me, I always felt that, you know, the Bible and all that was, you know, was ridiculous how these people believe all this. But I came to understand culturally how that could happen. But to see, but I'm saying even my godless ass has trouble wrapping my head around regular people, like who I know or whatever, buying into this type of thing, even after a lifetime of sort of conditioning myself for it,

is what I'm trying to say. You're saying about, I've read those stuff before about how like conspiracy theories are just a different kind of religion because you want to believe someone's in control, right? That like the bad things that happen are happening for a reason and they're going to come out through the other side with like better off somehow. That's where you're saying that like it's sort of the same sort of belief system. Yeah.

I mean, I'm not trying to say that. I'm saying that like I grew up looking around a lot of people and be like, I don't know how they believe this crazy bullshit. And then later and then later I became less of an edge lord or whatever. and it was like, okay, you know, I do understand how they could believe that. But I guess what I'm trying to say is I feel like I conditioned myself at an early age to not be surprised by people believing what I thought to be crazy bullshit. And I am still surprised by the QAnon stuff is what I'm trying to say. Like with the same people, like people I grew up with and whatnot.

I think like, I mean, these people have always been with us, but like, I think it's just easier to connect with Facebook groups than it is through like AM radio and scenes and stuff, right? It allows you to spread your message further so you grow faster and you reach each other and you reinforce your own. This isn't an original observation. But like, I sort of like understand, like accepting the things just this fucked up and no one's in control is really hard. I say as a person who like sort of lost my faith of like 16, 17 years old after life. I think of a Bible school and like, hey, it's just like, but once you accept it, like, things are just fucked up and they're just that way for a reason, then everything sort of like falls in the place.

It's like, but how do you explain a society where like roughly 90% of people are in favor of stricter gun control and it never happens? So like, what do you, how you get it and you start, your brain starts going like, well, somebody must be holding it up. There must be someone secretly in control because this obviously isn't a democracy, right? Same thing with Medicaid for all or whatever. It's like, it's just like, we have a split. erotic government that can't even fucking confront a pandemic.

So like, if the government won't try to stop the pandemic, obviously the government's in favor of the pandemic. Now you're off of the races and now you're going to know conspiracy there's. You know? Yeah, man. No, I'm with you. All right. Charles, uh,

Charles Scross, those people are all caps, far more stupid than we ever realized. I think I realized, Charles. I think I realized. See, I, like, I used to, I'm with Charles. on this because, and I still think there's some truth to this, but I used to have this, I had this bid I would do on stage forever that was talking about how, like, how annoyed

I would get with people talking about how much dumber we've gotten as a society, like, people being like, idiotocracy, turns out, it's a documentary. And I'd be like, no, it's not, because I was like, statistically, we are on average and per person smarter than, and the joke, it was a good bit, Mark, whatever you feel about this, because the joke was like, do you know how stupid? and people fucking used to be, like they believed in fucking witches and shit like that. We're smarter

than them, which I still think that is true, but I'm saying I am now starting to feel like for the first time in my life, oh shit, maybe we are actually dumber than I thought, or getting dumber than I thought we

were, you know. I never, I always felt like that was kind of like bullshit that seemed easy to say before but wasn't really true. And I don't know that I believe that anymore. In the Salem Witchdraal days, back in the original colonies, when they caught a dude

fucking a sheep, they would the dude would get put in stocks, of course, because you should y'all not be doing that, especially if it's not your sheep. But the, uh, they would kill the sheep to prevent there from being sheep,

human hybrid babies being born. Right. So, sheeple! Hey, well, they fight. Am I right, Mark? Look around you, man. How many sheeple do you see out here every day, Mark? Obviously, they should have had stricter sheep, baby security protocols back then.

What I say is I agree with your premise that we know more than they did, but I think kind of. And like, only in certain ways. We have access to more information, but the way people apply it is not necessarily. Yes. Yes. That is exactly where I have finally landed, is what you. you just said, that yeah, we have more cumulative information as a society now than any other previous generation ever has because, of course, we do. And so that makes us know a few more

things, but on a human to human basis, like you just said, the way people use and apply that information, I'm not convinced it's any more intelligent on average than your typical, you know, mud farming, peasant surf in the, you know, in the 1200s or whatever. I mean, they literally knew everything they needed to know. They knew how to grow mud. Now was there to be there. Grew the best mud, man. Everybody knows it.

Michael T. says, Q and on is trailer park Scientology, which I just thought was funny, so I put it up there. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God.

You know what? I have a greater appreciation. Not one, no. I've always very much appreciated producer, Matt. but this is like and I'm so glad that it is this difficult because back early on in the show I used to do this every episode but I haven't done it for a long time and we have thank you all very much gotten more viewers and commenters since then and this shit is really hard to keep up with just so y'all know I'm not purposefully ignoring any of y'all it's just it's hard it's hard for me to keep I can't do two things at once you know I'm a big dumb idiot Let's say here, Mark, I don't, I like this, I just grabbed it. Mark, do you know what this is? Lyndon Napp says, you guys ever look at the Pall Memorandum?

Might be worth a few minutes of your time. Do you know? Never heard that. Yeah. Marrandom. Well, I always like to try with Mark. The first, okay. Lewis Powell, Memoir, Corporate Blue Cramp to Dominate Democracy.

Okay, well, I feel like we're going to go down around. This is on Greenpeace's websites. I guess it's not too crazy, although people, a lot of people think Greenpeace is crazy. I don't know. I'll leave, they just drive in front of whale ships to stop them from killing whales. Hold on.

All right. I saw a comment ask about like being booted off social media and what like what we thought about that. So the big constitutional questions of it, I kind of don't think about too. Like it's just one guy being booted off.

Like the president of United States still has a huge microphone. He can talk. He can still speak. people had freedom of speech before there was the internet. I don't really think it's like some huge big buck and deal. I think it's really funny. As big of a Twitter addict as he is.

To know he's in account of... I don't know. I was thinking about that earlier. I mean, I think that like the most diehard people will find him no matter what. You're right. He says a platform right now just from being the president of the United States. But like, I mean, I don't know. I feel like it's going to have a pretty huge impact going forward.

if he if it's very very difficult for him to have any kind of you know actually popular platform that people really use not again i know his people will find him wherever he goes he can just set up his own thing and be like meet me here and i know a lot of them will but i mean i still think it has a pretty big impact at the end of the day i feel like it has to um yeah i mean definitely squashes is i i was too they're asking whether or not we think it's like kosher and i don't like I think a lot of mixed thoughts about it. Like, I don't know. It's not Twitter's fault.

We fucked up elected and president. I understand why Twitter's like, people have been calling for him to be taken down for like the last four years. And it's like, we can't delete the president's account, man. It's not like, it's not, it's not on Jack from Twitter,

Trump's president. Like, we did. That's definitely true for sure. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, just the whole,

you know, ever since the it's not an equivalent example but the gay cakes keep getting brought back it just seems like this is a very free market or anti-free market argument that they are making

I feel like you know what I mean like this is a this is a big free market corporation at the top of their heap and they are choosing to not do business with a person because they are not regulated to do otherwise

and you're pissed off about that, hardcore small government Trump supporter, you know what I mean? What's supposed to happen? The government is supposed to intercede with Twitter and say that they can't do that and make sure that they don't do that because that sounds, I don't know,

communist or whatever to me. That would be a violation of the First Amendment to tell Twitter what speech they can and cannot allow on their platform. And the gay wedding kick thing is like being an asshole lab mouth isn't a protected class of people whereas... Right, that's why it's not the same thing, exactly, yes. There's actual protected classes

of individuals. If you're born a certain way, that shouldn't be held against you by anybody. But your thoughts and opinions are all that type of shit, people can choose not to do business. They can choose not to fuck with you, whether they're an individual person or a business. They can just say, you know what?

No. Based on your thoughts. As a couple of guys who have, have definitely been kicked out of bars. That's based on behavior, and you can be asked to leave a private business because of your behavior. If it was because we were gay or black or a woman or whatever, you can't do that. That's different from what you're doing something to make people miserable besides just sitting there being yourself. Then you get out of leave places.

Twitter's no different than your ex-wedding in that regard. Yep. So this has been up here for a minute. Tracey Martinson says, I had to stop saying, quote, that is the. dumbest thing I've ever heard because it just gets topped constantly and yeah I know I hear you well I also I have to what forever ago in the comments but I remember who said it because it was it was a god damn it tree house yoga center or something like that and it said how high are y'all I don't know about Mark but I think Mark's doing sober January but I'm not

high at all if I'm continuously doing like uh-uh-uh-uh-shit then I apologize but it's only because I'm struggling to keep up wearing two hats at once. But we are not high, but I appreciate being called out for it by the Treehouse Yoga Center. The yoga tree people or whatever it said. It was something like that. Thank you all for watching. Let's see here. God damn it.

Probably a more interesting case to me because what happened to them was they were being hosted on Amazon Web Services and Amazon decided that we don't want to host you anymore. And Amazon's pretty much controlled the whole internet, which is like, look, if you want to, if you want to talk about how there's too much corporate control over a lot of stuff, I'm on board with that. But to say there's too much corporate control over just social media and that's the only problem we have of corporations is fucking stupid to me. Right. I agree. And also on that note, this is kind of related to the comment we just

brought up here. JJ on the tube says maybe entire sections of our society aren't smart enough to handle social media. And the way I say it's kind of related to the parlor. thing is according to the founder of the pirate bay which if you don't know is like a big torrenting service where people can illegally download music and movies and stuff like that that has been in operation for like a decade or something now and they've been shut they're illegal they've been shut down over and over again that guy came out publicly and basically said look just so you know it's fucking embarrassing that parlor can't find a way to stay up despite this shit like there's no excuse like oh it's illegal so what look at us you dip shit i just liked that particular

shade being thrown from that particular source it just made the whole thing funnier to me like it was it was just like pointing out like just so you guys understand here's another way in which they are stupid yeah i mean anyways watched the last four years the white house like like this movement does not draw the most competent together people uh so every aspect that it was always amateur and slap dash and just trying to extract a quick profit. And it's like that's all it ever is. No one's ever thought two steps ahead. They always lose because of it.

Buddy. Speaking of amateurs and slap dash, great word, by the way. Thank you all for being with us through this particular episode of this podcast. It did great, man. As we went without, yeah, we went producerless. I appreciate y'all's patience. But that is it for tonight.

We will be back next Tuesday. Who knows what will have happened in the interim. Thank you all very much. And hopefully we'll have producer Matt back next week. See you love you, bye.