wellRED podcast - Evening Skews - Week of October 6, 2020

Episode Date: October 12, 2020

Me and Smart Mark get into all things Trump and COVID on Tuesday's episode before unraveling the fallout, or should I say flyout, of the Harris/Pence debate (No I should not have said that and I apologize). Also: stimulus bullcrap, Facebook bullcrap, and a truly insane plot hatched by dipshits in the Midwest. Enjoy. 

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thing. It's a good over-free. Yeah, yeah. Not coughing or feverish or nothing. This is evening scuse. Been a slow news week since the last edition. Not a lot of talk or struggle through it.

No, obviously, that's not the case. About three hours or so after we signed off on last Thursday's edition of the skews, all hell broke loose in the news cycle with pretty major stories. And of course, we're going to talk about them. We're going to get into

all of it, Trump having COVID and all that, but first, the Daily Dumbass. Tonight, my honorie that I have chosen is a Fox News radio host, and I know that, you know, picking a Fox News radio host as your Daily Dumbass is like picking Alabama to beat Arkansas State and college football, you know, it's almost unfair, but I'm still going to do it just because I'm tickled by what this guy had to say. His name is Jimmy. I'm Fia. You hate to call a guy dumbass and then horribly mispronounce his name, but it's F-A-I-L-L-A. So I'm going to go with Fai'ia. You know, good pronunciation.

Don't worry about it. Fox News Radio host, and he's got a theory on the forthcoming election. He has prognosticated the outcome of it. He says that Trump is going to win the 2020 election in a, quote, lawn slide. He's calling not for a landslide, but for a lawn slide victory for Donald Trump. Why? What is his rationale for that? Well, he and his wife recently took a road trip through the Midwest,

and they saw a bunch of Trump signs in people's yards. So there you go. That's it. That's the entire, that's the end of the basis of his political science theory that he's come up with. He saw more Trump signs in rural Michigan than he saw Biden signs. And thus, Donald Trump is going to win the election in a long slide, Mark. Well, I mean, obviously, like, just the way we've sorted ourselves out, where more liberal voters tend to be more urban.

Of course, they have more lawn signs. They have more lawns. Right. Yeah, exactly. Everybody knows you look at the, yeah, there's a lot of things that are dumb about this. I'm almost, I'm a little inclined to give a bit of a disclaimer, though, because I don't want to be one of those. I'm not counting my chickens for they hatch still, okay?

I'm still gunshot over the last election. I know what the numbers are. This isn't me laughing at like, oh, he thinks they're going to win. It's me laughing at the specific rationale the guy uses. and also how clearly proud he was of himself for coming up with lawn slide. But, yeah, like you said, the urban centers, the cities are the clusters where most people live, and it's also the blue clusters in most states. And, yeah, most people don't have yards to put signs in.

First of all, secondly, we were talking about before we started the show, I'm not judging anybody on the left that has a, sign in their yard but i just and this is anecdotal it's just my own feelings about it but i just feel like people on the left are generally less inclined to put signs in their yard as a rule like i'm a you know i'm a commie liberal man and pretty much always have been and i ain't never been a sign guy you know i don't feel the need to scream it well i can't say people will call me out on that immediately i literally scream my beliefs of people's faces on the internet all the time but i don't feel a need to use my yard for it you know you

also it's like a it's it's sort of like misunderstands how enthusiasm's working like uh this election cycle where like uh people are enthusiastic about voting not trump like like uh right you you could you could literally be a corpse you know which he basically is and it would still be the the vote turnout would still be super high and candidate x behind door number one or whatever would still win by um you know 10 points or whatever right yeah you can't put and look, and I'm in fight, you know, I like Joe Biden. I'm not like a hardcore Biden guy. I'm going to vote for him, you know, obviously.

Nobody's a hardcore Biden guy. That's right. Well, yeah, right. But I like Joe Biden. I know a lot of people, I know a lot of people on the left who, like, they're still going to vote for him, but they don't, they're not really fans. But I like him. It's like a, you know, it's not through the roof, but I do, I do like Joe Biden.

But I'm not going to have a sign for somebody that I just like. but also you can't really get a sign for not Trump. I mean, I guess you could, but you know what I mean? Like, just not a sign for just not that guy. So there's just a lot of faults in this guy's theory, I feel like. But again, Fox News Radio host, who would have thunk it? Yeah. That's the gig, though.

The gig is your, it's not news radio. You're right. It's cheerleading. So it's like. You're right. it's like well I don't know it's a different version of the same thing but you know like in sports journalism

on ESPN and all the sports outlets there's a certain type of sports journalism personality they're basically like hot take artists like their whole entire purpose is to just say controversial shit to get people upset so that they watch Fox News is like a pandering

version of that right their whole purpose is to just say the exact correct but also inflammatory thing that their base will get, like, passionate about, I mean, it's-brived up about. It's braver when the sports talk radio do it honestly, because, like, Stephen A. Smith will talk shit about the Cowboys to rile up Cowboys fans. They're doing an echo chamber where there are no, they're, they're ragging the Cowboys,

who are the Democrats, I guess, in this scenario, but, like, no, none of them are listening. So they're just, like, it's yelling into the void about people that aren't even listening to you, the people that are listening will be like, yeah, we do hate them. Did you just say the Democrats or the Cowboys in this scenario? Yeah. Don't put that evil on us, Mark. I know you're a Cowboys fan, but they're not, they've lost, they've, they've blown some serious leads already this year in the four quarter and choked it away.

So, oh, man, the Cowboys season is so bad. I'd rather talk politics right now. All right. So let's get in the major, let's get in the major headline, obviously, since, since we last spoke on camera. Trump got to Rona. He got he caught COVID. And like I said, that came that came over the wire not that long after we signed off on last week's edition. And there's just so much to say about this and the outcome of it.

And I know how this is about the sound. But in my opinion, I said a version of this in the liberal redneck video I made about it. I had felt like, like if you had asked me statistically the most likely outcome when it broke that he had COVID, I would have told you, I think because of. he's the president, he will get over it. But because he is who he is, he will read all the wrong things into him having gotten over it and will turn those into all the wrong messages to send to his followers,

which is pretty much what he's doing. Well, the treatments he's on, one of the antibody treatments is not even approved for emergency use yet, still in trials. That's one. So he's getting that, which no one else is getting. I mean, I guess it doesn't have any. I mean, I don't understand why everybody can't get it if it doesn't have any potential adverse side effects.

So we're just here guessing. They won't tell us any actual information. It's like, was he a death store and they were super desperate for anything? Or like, or is it just he read about it like he did hydrochloroquine and just demanded they give it to him and ordered this military doctor to shoot him full of an experimental treatment. But also that combined with the Rimsivir or whatever they're giving them, the other stuff, like, I'll tell you the doctors talking about, like, literally no other

personal earth has gotten that cocktail of treatments. So, like, they're just using the present of the United States, like a dartboard to throw in syringes that? Okay. I don't, I'm the opposite of a doctor. I don't know shit about medicine and how all that works. And everything I'm about to tell you is based on. random internet comments that I've read about it.

But I read some comments as opposed to people purporting to be medical doctors. And they were saying that like it can be, it's not as insane as it sounds with some of that. Like there might be a cocktail of two different drugs, right, that are pretty well understood, generally speaking. Like, it's understood that there aren't massive risk of side effects for these particular drugs or whatever. but this particular combination of them and usage for them has not yet gone through all the proper and rigorous protocols for getting approved for this purpose. But it's still like, you know, the experts and the medical professionals understand that it's not, there's not a super high risk level to it. So they are willing to use it in a case like this, you know, like for the president. But okay, so.

but there's very little potential downsides to it and it's helpful why are all of our where all are our Mimaws and Nanas just because of just bureaucracy still you know what I mean like they have and for the record I think in normal times and normal circumstances

the standards that we have for massively deploying drugs that it's good that they're rigorous and they're difficult but they still are and they still exist exist. So you still have to go through the same protocols you always would. And that's a lengthy and laborious process, you know, in order to get everybody's mammall. But the actual understanding of the process is beyond me too. But like, like I said, like there's a lower level where it hasn't cleared all the bureaucratic hurdles where it stuff is cleared for emergency use, even though it hasn't been finalized. This wasn't even proved for that yet. So like I did this. This is all very, very weird. And it took Herman Kane a lot of. month to die after getting caught getting rona that's another yeah that's a good yeah it was like

he contracted it and then 28 28 days later he died yeah uh I think it was 28 it was something like that's like you said it's close to a month I've known people there's also been a lot of reports of people who seem to get better you know and then like fall off a cliff in terms of their state yeah with the with the virus so like it definitely seems premature but again like of course who's surprised by that you know I mean in the video, everybody's, everybody's seen the video by now, like he left Walter Reed

after three days or whatever, and he tweeted about, I feel better than I felt 20 years ago, you know, I feel fine. And in the video of him standing there, like, you can,

you can tell that he's not in a good way. He's having difficulty breathing. Like, he's clearly still sick, but it's a, you know, he can't display weakness. He can't be seen.

to be waylaid by this virus that he has downplayed for some of many months or whatever. I mean, it completely makes sense if you know anything about Trump the way that he's responding to it. But also totally par for the course for Trump, it's incredibly irresponsible and misleading. And not just for his personal health, for, you know, everybody, his followers. Yeah, I mean, it's not good. They got to shut it. They shouldn't have voted 20 for the amendment just because he's on so much steroids. It's making it manic.

and yeah it's bizarre the whole thing is like I mean it's just a TV show we're all watching at this point and what's the what's the next act break on a beach right what's the next big does you know right yeah the October surprise man it was October 1st by the way the October surprised himself

I mean they there's plenty of justice department of fuckery around the Obama unmasking scandals and whatever to drop all this they did these reports before the election and like it's not he's going to be on page b6 of the metro section because he can't he can't create space for it on the front page by not being a maniac for 24 hours it's great so a couple of let's backtrack a little bit to him actually getting it the contracting of it and everything there was this um now infamous rose garden celebration basically with this picture of all these republicans in the rose garden celebrating umy cony barrett's nomination to the supreme

court and they're all just sitting in a standard seating layout like they're not spread apart or anything a lot of people don't have mask on and whatnot and in the days since it became public that don't trump has covid high profile republican after high profile republican has also tested positive for it also are almost like it's an extremely contagious virus you know but um label it's just wild the sheer level of a number of people that have come out that have, you know, now have it. Yeah, half an hour before we came on, Stephen Miller got it. The funny thing about that was his wife had it like five months ago, so he didn't get close enough to his wife to catch it. But he got it from the president.

Also, and I guess maybe this is still like a little speculative, correct me if I'm wrong. But it seems like there's a good chance that Trump, I don't know. that Trump had it and knew he had it when the debate happened, or am I wrong about that? Like the timeline is a little shady, right, with how it seems to have played out. I mean, well, so the first person we found out had it was Hope Hicks, right? And that news broke Thursday.

And they only announced it because a reporter had found out. They were absolutely not going to tell anybody that she had tested positive. No one would really notice if Hopex wasn't at work for a little while. Then Trump announced he had it. The only reason he announced it, I'm assuming, is because he had symptoms and realized that story was going to come out. But they still haven't said when he first tested positive. And he did a,

Hannity hit Thursday night where he talked about not, where he said he didn't have it, like three hours before he said he did. And then his doctor on Saturday, fucked up during the press conference and said he was first diagnosed more than 72 hours ago, which would have put it like Wednesday sometime. And so they showed,

the judge was a debate too late to be tested, right? And to score they were all free and clear, which they couldn't have been. And, you know, proceeded to yell, yell spit at saliva at Chris Wallace and Joe Biden for three out, two, an hour and a half. And I mean, it's just like the behavior of a maniac. And it's very free-grating. Right. Right.

Well, so, and then even beyond that, once everyone in America knew that he had COVID, and he went to Walter Reed for a few days, but then he did his big dog and pony show about going back to work, you know, and he got in the, he got in the, like, sealed SUV and,

um, went back to the White House and all this stuff, despite the fact that, I mean, he is, he's not denying the fact that he has it. And he still has it. And you know he's still contagious,

but he's just like going back to work, basically. And, um, that's not, not the best course to take, Mark. Here's a quote from,

uh, Dr. Jonathan Reiner, a professor at George Washington University School of Medicine, he said, it is completely inexplainable that the President of the United States, who is actively shedding virus in millions of particles, would walk into that building with an enormous number of staff unmatched. It is really hard to understand how no one told him not to do that. There doesn't seem to be anyone in charge of his care other than the President of the United States himself, who is the patient.

Which is not how it's supposed to work. And like, you know that's, you know that's what's going on, right? Like, he's just in there demanding, I'm the president, God damn it, I'm going back. Was it Saturday afternoon when he took the lap around the block and the practice funeral with the SUVs? Right, to like Wade that is his supporters. Yeah, and he got, he was very defensive about being called out on that because he was like, look, you know, I got to, I got to let these people know I appreciate them, basically. A bunch of proud boys in Q&on people who are he was waiting to, right?

But he did a video before he did that announcing he was about to surprise people, which we don't need to be surprised anymore, man. It's like we've been enough to be surprised enough. And the video he talked about how he'd been walking around meeting many wonderful troops of Walter Reed. It's like, Jesus Christ, man. I know, man. I know. The same day he announced he was diagnosed, they had a fundraiser in Bedminster, New Jersey, at his golf resort in New Jersey, where people paid a a quarter million dollars to catch COVID from the president.

And not only did he not wear a mask and probably probably already tested positive by that point and knew he had COVID. The fucking fundraiser was a goddamn buffet. It was a buffet. Well, as I told you when you first texted me this well before the show, I said, we don't have to drag buffets into this. I'm a buffet fan. I'm a supporter. But no, I'm just kidding. obviously that is that is comically absurd that they would have a buffet at a function dude

without fuck the fact that he has COVID and everybody knows it do you know what I mean like even if that hadn't happened already it's ridiculous to have a buffet layout at something like that during this time but it's also ridiculous to have people packed in like sardine sitting beside each other without mask on all that I mean so it's totally again par for the course. It very much checks out. I've been making a list in my head of all the things that are probably culturally dead because of COVID. I remember my grandma, my great aunt when I was a kid,

saving tea bags to make tea again because she lived through the Great Depression. It's just something like she just had that lived trauma in her head, so she was always going to save as much shit as she could. Like we're going to have like a cultural germophobia for a while over this stuff. Dude, absolutely. Living in L.A., like you'll see enough, like a lot of, of Asian immigrants just will wear masks when they're out in public. Because they have that lived, they've been through a lot of pandemics in Asia,

and they have that lived memory of just not just to make sure I don't, like, gives a little flu or cold as possible. And like, so, like, all this stuff that's probably dead in our country for our generation is like stuff like buffets, right? Self-serve ice cream joints. So, sure. They, I went watching Sopranos, and they got the thing where they got one dessert and four spoons for the table.

I was like, that's not happen anymore. restaurants are going to have to re-apportion the dessert port, the desserts, so people still get them because they're going to serve smaller, cheaper. It's like all the stuff that's going to do to our society and we haven't really worked through yet, and they're just full on just having buffets right in the middle of the pandemic.

It's weird. Yeah, yeah, I saw a picture earlier on Reddit. It was just posted as they like, this is a cool picture. And it was from during, I don't remember the context of it, but it was during the Obama administration. It was Obama with like,

four or five ex-presidents. It was Obama with Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and both Bushes. And maybe Reagan was there before he died. I can't remember. It was like four or five presidents altogether, and that was the purpose of posting the picture. Look, five presidents

all together. And it's also a candid moment, and they're like talking to each other. And they're so fucking close together, like leaning in talking. And like, there's nothing wrong with that. You know, like when that happened, there's nothing wrong with that. But when I saw it, my first knee-jerk reaction without even thinking of it was like,

oh, back up, put a mask on. Like, I had to remind myself, you know what I mean, that this was pre-COVID. That wasn't a concern then. But that's where my brain automatically went to to begin with. But they're not living in our universe. That's the fucking thing. It's like they're not experiencing the pandemic at all until just this moment. Like it's a very, like, Drew was texting the other day that you saw like way more masks

after Trump got COVID in Tennessee because it's like, oh shit, this is the president got it, you know. Yeah, okay, but on that note, the president did get it. So maybe, I don't know, it might be a net positive because if they continue to keep wearing mask

just because he got it, that's good. But like we were alluding to earlier, he got it and now he's already back and he's actively saying, don't let COVID run your life, don't be afraid of it, get back out there. Like, you got to get back out there

and so he's still sending this, you know, very dangerous message to those exact people who, at least they're putting a mask on now, some of them, since he caught it. I mean, the takeaway from it is still not, not what you want to see. There are 30 some people he's given it to now and then the White House outbreak. That doesn't count the senators and stuff. So, like, mathematically speaking, we're approaching the number where it statistically speaking, someone's going to die of it. Because they're all elderly in.

I mean, like, Chris Christie checked him to the hospital like four days ago. We haven't heard a peep. And I like, somebody better check on Chris, man, because like, no news is not good news in the situation. And he's like hilariously announced that he was only being precaution because he has asthma. Because asthma is his only comorbidity. Yeah, right. Chris Christie, yeah. If it wasn't for the asthma, he'd be fine.

But no, dude, he's probably, you know, he probably thinks it's worth it for that buffet. I'm sorry. I was good. It was deathbed, dude. You'd be thinking about the crab legs and worth. They think about them crab legs. Like, oh, it was worth it. Glad I didn't know.

Then I had to miss the dance. This is a good time because we're laughing about this. I saw a bunch of a hand ringing over where there was okay to laugh. Like, I don't know what response, like, what response people are supposed to have, but like, I don't wish bad things to happen to people because wishing doesn't do anything. Like, I don't have magical powers. I can't make mental powers.

I can't make. So I'm not a child. I don't think my brain causes. Well, I do like the implication of what you just said. You're like, I don't wish ill on other people because I don't have that power. I mean, if I had the power. Yes. All day, I'd be wishing ill on people.

But unfortunately, I don't have the power to inflict ill upon others. So why waste my time wishing it? What about like, okay, like Kim Jong-un. Yeah. Could I wish it had the power to like get? give him COVID with my mind from here. Would that, would that be a just or would that be something I should refrain from?

You know? Anyway, so my point of being is like, one of the reasons people are laughing about this is like, you, you watch a cinnamon challenge video, right? Yeah, yes.

It's like a tablespoon or whatever, a cinnamon. You're supposed to eat it with just, just put it around and eat it without water or whatever. And it's impossible to do. Yes, the person always coughed it out really hilariously. And like,

Anyway, so like, what's funny about those is you know how it's going to have every single time. You know what's a bad idea for the person to do it. But the person has Hubert. So like, no, you guys are kidding. I'm the person who can do this. And it's funny every guy down time. So for six months, we've been watching the president of the United States in the middle of a pandemic, basically do everything he could to catch COVID outside of malice. Right.

You know, a hobo or whatever. And licking toilet lids, like, just like whatever. and like it's been maddening to like it's a relief to see reality reassert itself in the face of this guy's hubris and like that's that's part of the release that's like a copse gun going off we always knew he's going to get it we all he had to

like if he didn't get it it means it was a hoax and every world government has been lying to us in perpetuating this shit so it's yeah yeah I mean it's the definition of you know he was asking for it or he had it coming you know what I mean it's like when I've forgotten his name, but I'm glad I did. The Nazi guy.

The Nazi guy that got punched. Richard Spencer. It's like when he got punched and there was this whole thing, he was like, you know, I'm not saying liberals should go out there and just start fucking punching people. I'm not saying that, but the fact that he got punched is hilarious. Like he's a professional punch me in the face, motherfucker. Like he begs to be punched in the face all the time. And when somebody who spends all day every day,

begging to be punched in the face gets punched in the face, I'm not gonna not laugh at that or I'm not gonna like take the high road over that. Like, no, fuck that. I wouldn't think of it. You brought it on yourself. Yeah, I wouldn't think of behind him and sucker punch him,

but also I'm not gonna not laugh at it. Because it also like a handwritten over that kind of stuff is like, I mean, you would not come from a culture where people like, you know, fist fight in the yard recreationally. So like, there's a certain group of people who have never been punched in the feet. face and imagine it to be the worst thing in the world.

He's like, no, he's got sock in the face. He's fine. He's fine. Right. But no, it's not just COVID. Like, I mean, I'll just tell you. I've seen people in my hometown or my wife's hometown that you see on Facebook and stuff that are like, that had previously been, this is a hoax type people. Don't be sheep. Don't wear the mask. This is a hoax. Stop believing it. Fuck COVID. That whole thing the whole time. And then they caught COVID. Like,

I'm supposed to. I'm supposed to not have some Schroden Freud over that. Like, of course I'm going to and I'm not going to fucking apologize for it either. It also is like that, you know, Mark Twain quote, which, you know, who knows, may be one of those

that's apocryphly he didn't actually say, but the quote is, um, I've never, I've never wished death on another human being. But I have read many obituaries with great joy or what I have enjoyed many obituaries, you know. like yeah i mean i mean people people to deny this thing get sick with it it's like you look you we gave you the information you had the information like right you told yourself comforting

lies and now you're dead over it well it's also like you said i mean even if you just take it from like a purely logical perspective that's the desirable outcome for someone on our side because like you said if they do spend all day preaching that it's not a big deal and it's not real and you don't take it seriously or whatever. And then they don't ever get it at all or ever have to deal with it. Then they're vindicated by that. And it just perpetuates their bullshit belief even further.

You know, like it's almost important that these people get COVID. I mean, because of the damage they do otherwise. He took time during the debate to shit on Joe Biden for wearing masks. Yes, yes, he did. At a time when he probably had a dose from fucking COVID. standing nine feet from him. But the point, the reason people, like, I've watched enough, you know,

sports, they'll cut away to, like, the guy in the studio who's by himself and he's wearing a mask. And, like, I know intellectually the mask isn't doing anything right there, but they're performing responsibility to signal to people to habituate it, to normalize wear a mask wearing, to be responsible to show people that you can do it, and it's fine, right? So Biden, yes, he's 30 feet away from people wearing a mask because that's what a leader should do is demonstrate responsible behavior. Trump's not going to wear a mask to demonstrate responsible behavior.

do you know the only other thing he could do to let people know how serious this is is to be on a ventilator for a little bit? So he can make, he can make that sacrifice for his country, I think. Yeah. So, all right. Speaking of the debate, him and Joe Biden up there, and we talked all about the first debate last Thursday. But as it relates to this, Trump has already said publicly that he is very much looking forward to the next debate, i.e., he has no intention of trying to, delay it or sit it out or anything like that. It's exactly nine days from now, by the way. Nine days from now.

You're supposed to quarantine 14 days after your last symptoms. Right. And he definitely still has symptoms. So my question is, I don't know how do you handle it. Again, he's the president of the United States. If he sticks to that, what should you do? If you're Joe Biden or if you're, I don't remember who's, I don't know who's hosting the next one. if it's CNN or whoever is hosting the next debate,

but or the venue itself. But if you're the venue, if you're the entity hosting it or if you're Biden, the opponent, what do you do if he's still steadfast on having it? I mean, if Biden shows up, like all his talking points are going to be

to point out how responsible Trump's been handling COVID, right? What bigger statement could he make about how responsible Trump's been around COVID then by not showing up because it's irresponsible to do. So just don't show up. Like, I mean, that's, I agree with you. That, that's what I think too. It's like, because of the specific circumstances of what's going on,

you can totally, it's, you're not going to have to worry about appearing weak or whatever. I mean, other than to Trump's base, but fuck them, you ain't getting them no way. And to any other rational human being, you're not going to have to worry about appearing weak or anything like that by refusing to participate

in it. You're going to appear, you know, smart, rational, reasonable, right? So, yeah, no, I agree. You absolutely shouldn't. If Trump insists on showing up, yeah, don't do it. You say this is not, the protocols say it's not safe to be, you know, this around someone to put yourself around other people at this stage of the game.

When you know you have COVID or not going to, I'm not going to be party to it. Yeah. I mean, it seems really straightforward to me, but, um, I, I can't think of like, do you remember 2008 campaign Obama McCain, when Lehman Brothers went under AIIG and all that shit, the economy collapsed. Before that, Obama and McCain were basically roughly tied, I think. But then, of course, it started turning the other way once the millstone of the economy was being hung around the Republican Party.

So McCain made a big show of like suspending his campaign and then rushing back to Washington to lead the response. which is weird because he was just a senator. He didn't know, like, real authority. But I tried to demonstrate that I have the responsible adult in the room and I know how to handle the crisis. And then, like a day and a half later, when he realized he couldn't do anything

and the polls were going the wrong direction to get back on the campaign trail. And now, so he was unsusmending his campaign. But he looked, it looked, it was trying to look statesman-like, but he looked like flustered and out of control, right? Yeah. If you're like a swing boater or whatever, calling these people now, I haven't met up their minds yet,

it looks if you just started paying attention that looks crazenly irresponsible right so like what all the shit trump's doing looks manic and crazed like it just looks irresponsible even if you don't care about well i mean too yeah no you're right it looks that way to to the like you said the swing voters or whatever whoever they are that you call them but but i think to his base and it's like moat pretty much all he's ever cared about is pandering to and catering to his base, even though they're not enough by themselves for him to secure victory. Still, that's always been his number one

priority. And I think to them, it looks strong, you know? It looks like, you know, manning up, pushing through it, not letting it fucking define you or set you back or whatever. And that's all dumb. But I do think it works on

them. That's not like the any of the polling. I mean, it's like... Even among his people? Like, even among like, Trump's most fervent supporters, they're not, they ain't buying it. The, I mean, like literally the last thing I saw about it was like 70% of people agree that Trump's, I said that Trump's been handled COVID irresponsibly.

Now, that's an aggregate thing for policy and his personal behavior, but like 70 eats into his, I mean, eats into his. Well, I've always thought, I've always thought that like 30% is roughly what the number of, you know, actual hardcore, cannot be reached. Trump people are, you know. It's hard for me to accept that it's 48% or whatever.

No, it's like, as far as the people that wear, like, wear a maga hat and get in a fistfight at a gas station over some, over some career, wearing a mask or whatever, that's a very small segment of the population. I mean, it's like, let's put it. I think it's the high end 20%, right? The other, the rest of the people are going to vote for them are going to vote because they always vote Republican and they don't trust Democrats or they're pro-life or pro-gone or some other, some of the reason they're compromising on him. But it's just like, it's not enough to, it's not a big enough coalition to winning an election this. time and in this environment. Okay, so speaking of seemingly ill-advised political moves he's making lately, and I know, you know, we could spend hours going over them, but relevant and topical one, he's basically

shut down the stimulus talks, said, like, we're not going to have any stimulus negotiations until after the election. So already it's stretched on for way too long. People are hurting. They've been hurting the whole time, but it's already stretched out for months at this point. fuck it not going to happen until after the election, which is still in, you know, another month from now. I mean, like, let's say the real world implications for a second before we get the politics of it.

Like people are missing rent, mortgages getting evicted, their businesses are going under. And that's the real world stuff here. Politics-wise, here you have, we never had this dynamic before where, like, the opposition party is begging the president to let them improve his reelection odds and he will not let them. Right. Yes, because especially Republicans, it's the economy. Well, you know what I mean. They stand on the economy. They're the fiscal party or whatever. And yeah, Democrats are actively trying to help the economy by just helping people that are struggling during the stimulus, which would be a net positive for the Republicans.

You would think if it was effective and it's, you know, the effect it had on the economy. and he's just not having it. And like, why, why? In his, why isn't he? Fox News, Albert, brain, the closest thing I could figure out for a reason is part of the, one of the things that Democrats were insisting on is because like the federal government can print money and borrow money, state governments, municipal governments can't, right? They're, they're barred by law.

I mean, the municipal governments can raise bond issues or whatever, but that price an election and all this different shit. So like, there are the first. of having to lay off a bunch of like municipal and state workers in the middle of a pandemic because they've run out of goddamn money. And Fox News has been framing this as a blue state bailout. Right. Just because Democrats are in favor of starving all forms of government constantly. But the brutality of this is like blue states, I mean, the big ones anyway, like California is the richest state in the country.

And so is New York. They have rainy day funds. Now, California events are going to exhaust theirs. But, like, they're mostly fine. Mississippi and Alabama. Right. Well, that's always been the case. Like, the red states, you know, my beloved South in particular, but the red states,

they take way more money proportionally from the federal government than the blue states do, right, compared to, as compared to the amount that they put back into it. Yeah. There are welfare states. A lot of them are the state, right? So any kind of bailout, the government. gives is not going to be a blue state bailout, you know, unless you, like, put out a fucking forest fire or whatever and said telling them to rake, but that's another story.

Yeah. I mean, we, like, I mean, I don't like frame it that way because it felt like I don't, the government should spend money helping Alabama, Mississippi. I'm in favor. Absolutely. But like, there's no, the only, the only areas that are economically justifiable for existing are big cities because there's enough commerce and stuff going on there. the road that goes by my mom's house has no market-based reason to exist.

If you made it a toll road, it would have been built because there's no reason for a road to be there because there's so few people go down it, right? So, like, the purely economic logic way of thinking is economic suicide for red states, but it doesn't stop people from thinking that way. I mean, like, my dad was a, you work construction, right? He made all of his entire living off state contracts and went then to vote for people who'd cut state highway budgets. It was like really weird and bizarre.

Right. No, because I agree with you completely. Yeah, to be clear, the government should spend money, like you said, on Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee or whatever. You should help people out that are struggling. But it's frustrating when the leadership in those same states and a lot of the electorate, which supports the leadership, turns right around and spits in the face of the very notion, basically, while still benefiting from it. Like, that's rough.

Small towns are government make work projects. They are. They just are. I mean, like my whole family, my mom and my sisters both work for educational institutions. My brother-in-law works for the highway department. I already told you my daddy worked for a private company, but it was a state, made all their money on state contracts. Like, you can't throw a rock in a small town that hits somebody that works for forestry or the school district or the state highway department.

Those are all the jobs, you know. Some of the best, I said it before as a joke in one of my videos, but it was true. Like, my hometown where I grew up, Solana is so, you know, poverty-stricken and everything. Like, you were considered a rich kid, right? If your parents were still married and, like, one of them carried the mail, you know what I mean? And the other one was a teacher. Yeah. Like, one of them carried the mail and the other one's a teacher and they were still married.

You were a rich kid. You were privileged pretty much in my hometown. And that's, I know that sounds ridiculous, but that's the fucking truth. And some of the very best jobs in my hometown were all, now that you mention it, governmental jobs, working for the city, working for the county. you know, I remember I worked summers my senior year and my freshman year of college. I worked for the Clay County Highway Department. And that was like, that was a good job, you know, like not just for me, like for a kid,

for anybody, you know what I mean? Yeah. All right. So a couple things real quick before we get to the for we get to the comments. I want to just at least briefly mention the polls, the latest polls, they continue to go up in terms of favorability for Joe Biden. I think CNN had a it was CNN their most recent Paul. I believe it was 16 points Biden's lead was. And also the other thing that's encouraging is that early voting is open now and everything.

And it, the numbers are ridiculous, totally historic and unprecedented. I think there's a lot of factors for that. You know, I think COVID definitely plays into that a lot. But I, but either way, people are voting in unprecedented numbers, which generally speaking is good. So, but don't get. complacent, keep it up. No, no, everybody votes no matter what. But this is at the high note we're trying to end on to make everybody feel better because

we're all very chastened by the 2016. Although people have sort of memory hold it and remember what happened wrong, like the polls predicted Hillary would win the national popular vote by two to three percent. That's exactly what happened. It was the Black Swan event for how the vote shook out in what states they were in. And the 90 percent, her winning probability being 90 percent was based upon. those two, 90%, how to put this, statistics aren't predictions, their probabilities.

A 10% chance of something happening is still a 10% chance with something happening, right? So, like it's like people get mad at the weatherman when it's like, oh, you said it wasn't gonna rain today. No, no, I said it was a 70% chance it wouldn't rain. There's still 30% chance it would rain and that's what happened, right? Three days in a row, it's a 30% chance of it raining. It's gonna rain one of those days, statistically, specifically.

So like, everyone got to be, very chastened by that but there's a few things that are different this year one the early voting uh stuff trade was just talking about these numbers are a couple days old but i saw a few days ago like like by this time in florida early mail voting it would been like 10 000 votes it was almost half a million um at the same point and it was like the returns were like 200 like a quarter million democrat 130 000 republican and 40 000 independent um uh the one we just saw today let me to read these numbers to you because they're pretty astounding. This is early in-person voting in Hamilton County, Ohio, which is a very important swing stay. Trump cannot

win without Ohio. All right, so let's put that way. So the first day of early in-person voting, 2008, 800 voters, 2012, 800 voters, 2016, 900 voters, 2020 by 4 p.m. today, 2,500 voters. That is a triple increase in two four hours before the polls closed so that's like that's that's that's a whatever's happening this year is going to be unprecedented one way or the other so it's not almost no point in trying to like compare it to past years right um because the pandemic and because people are fucking pissed um but also like there just don't explainer about why why biden's lead is different from hillary's lead in 2016 um around this point was when the um access hollywood tape came out yeah So, the grab them by the pussy stuff.

Yeah. So a bunch of Republicans started telling pollsters they weren't going to vote for Trump around that point. So that's when Hillary's leave was at its biggest. Now, they were lying because eventually three weeks later, after James Comey did his fuckery, they remember why they hate Hillary and they went back to Trump, right? But when you see these leads for Biden, no, they baked into those polls is Trump already has 90% of Republican votes. Like they've already come back to him and this is still how low he is. He doesn't have anywhere to get votes from.

So you can look at these differently than you did 2016. Still go vote, but you can take the chocolate out of your mouth. That's what I'm saying. Right. Well, I've been, you know, I've been saying the whole time, most ever since 2016, and for most of that time, this has been just me being hopeful or trying to be hopeful. But I feel like now we're starting to see it actually play out,

at least I hope so. but that there was very much this sort of element amongst a lot of people on the left in 2016 of having the luxury of not having to get out and vote, you know, because there wasn't that enthusiasm for Hillary or whatever. And I think there were plenty of people on the left who thought, well, I don't want to hold my nose and vote for Hillary Clinton. And in this election, I don't have to because look at her opponent. Like, he's not going to win.

I'm not worried about it. And they were able to sit at home. this is an overly simplistic view, but still, I think that it was a real thing that was happening. And I have thought ever since then, ever since election night, 2016, I have thought and hoped that that particular phenomenon would be mitigated in the 2020 election if for no other reason, then us getting punched in the face the way that we did. You know, like making people realize you can't be complacent, you can't just sit at home. And it's been pounded. The point has been pounded home over and over again ever since then.

But I feel like with the numbers that we're seeing already, the way you're talking about them, it's encouraging to me because it looks like it's actually playing out that way, which I find reassuring. But again, got to keep that up. Got to keep it going between now and then. I don't like blaming, like, leftist, third-boating third party or sitting out for Hillary losing because the bigger problem,

much bigger problem was like regular people who aren't that interesting politics just having no enthusiasm for gay for doing it like the non voters are huge are a way bigger portion of the population the leftists who won't vote for Biden like that is true that's true so you like you can go take a bus to a church and convince 20 people to go vote with you vote with you and you more than made up for the all the leftists in your town or going to like make us think about not vote and for So yeah. Yeah, no, no, no, you're right. And I agree with that.

I just think that I think what you just said is true, but I also think my, just my opinion, it's also true that had that not been a thing in 2016 that Trump wouldn't have won. It's like you caught it a black swan of it. There was so many, the fucking bullshit stars aligned so perfectly in 2016. Yeah. for him to end up winning, you know.

And there were so many different factors you can point to that seem, at least in 2020, to be different or not present this time around. You know, the suburbanites, white women, you know, disenfranchised or the discouraged leftists were talking about all these different like small factors that contribute contributed when you put them all together in 2016 are not in play. the same way now as they were then he is absolutely the luckiest motherfucker to ever walk the face there and like he's so lucky that it would not shock me if like a tornado wiped out every polling place in Detroit on election day but the uh it's the the series that had to go right for him to

have been in the white house for him it's like it was a series of like you just rolled snake eyes rolled straight yachts like 30 times in a row and eventually i just but the law of numbers says that he has to run out of luck eventually. If it's not with COVID, it's going to be an election day. It just, like, I can't wrap my mind around a universe where the waters just keep parting for this dude for the 75th year in a row. I hear you, but I just want to say that, like, I'm still, like, I'm optimistic and I'm just, I'm trying to, I'm trying to remain optimistic and that's behind all the shit I'm saying

right now, but it's not the same thing as me taking it for granted or saying we got it in the bag. I just want to put that out there for superstition steak or whatever because I, you know, I was the same way in 2016 with, I mean, I didn't, I really wasn't worried about it, honestly, even being from where I'm from, I, I was talking about both sides of my mouth because I was telling people like, no, hey, this is a real thing that you should treat more seriously. But at the same time, I was like, but at the end of the day, I don't think he's actually going to win, you know, but then we saw what happened. trying not to do that again.

Speaking of comparing Democrats to the Cowboys, is that there's a way to blow a 20.4th quarter lead. The Democratic Party will find it. Absolutely. I mean, like, if the situation where Cliff, Mitch McConnell would absolutely not be trying to give President Biden a huge stimulus package a month before the election. All right.

So we're going to go into the comments now. Ada Napoli says Putin will get involved. Make no, and I'm assuming she left off the word mistake, make no mistake. Putin will get him. involved. Been proven now that they, you know, meddled in the last election, they're, they're meddling now and happened the whole time, right?

Like, what's the dang? What are the odds of them coming through with some major cyber fraud coup or whatever? They could actually take this out. I mean, they could, so 2016 was relatively low cost for an intelligence operation. Plus, like, what the stuff they did was like, It would be hard to make the pitch to the American people as an act of war, right? Like dumping emails on the internet. There's no WikiLeaks this time.

There's no DNC hack. We all understand what's happening on the internet. Everybody knows what a Russian bot looks like when they see it. It's gotten kind of comptly funny. Of course, they're meddling on. They're doing stuff on Facebook, starting groups and trying to hand people up. But like people just burn out. I don't think it's going to work.

Now they could try hacking actual vote totals, but like that's a dangerous game for them. Because you've got to remember Russia is a small, like a weak, broke country. They're not a real world power. And we could make life absolutely miserable for Vladimir Putin. If he if he fucks around the election and Biden still gets in power, he's looking at not a great outcome for him. So it's like he has less stuff to do and it's much higher risk. So I bet the Facebook buckeries are you going to see this time? Do my guess.

All right, this is, I believe this is my dear Uncle Tim. If it's not, it's a coincidence. Because Tim Radford is beloved Uncle Tim's name. And I cannot tell y'all just how Uncle Tim E this comment is. He says, if Trump goes on a ventilator, will it be called Forced Air One? I hadn't heard that one yet, Uncle Tim. That's a good joke. That is classic Uncle Tim for you, man.

He loves some wordplay, buddy, puns, all that stuff. He's a huge fan. I love you, Uncle Tim. Let's see. Claudio Armando Castanelli said, be any undecided by now. Who the hell? And it's in all caps.

And, yeah, I agree with that sentiment completely. I've said it before. in recent episodes. I know those people exist, but I'm with you, man. I don't know. I don't know how in this particular election, you can still be like waffling. Well, I mean, Mr. Castanelli, I'll put it this way.

There are people out there who don't pay close attention to politics or watch the news every day or go on Twitter or Facebook who like spend time with their kids and go fishing and go to the movies and are in bowling leagues. And I like to call these people mentally healthy. So they typically Polling data usually shows they start paying attention after Labor Day Obviously they've been aware of the pandemic and stuff

Everybody knows about it but the people Just don't really look into stuff until they have to and like this is when they have to So I know All right Brandon Ree brandy ray shephy sorry Brandy Says I can't tell the difference anymore between Russian bots and QAnon dummies And I'm sure there's a shitload of overlap there.

Yeah. The Vendalagram there is almost a circle. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. Sarah Ream says Instagram is still flooded with bots. They're all still flooded with bots, but I think Mark makes a very valid point when he says, like, people now are way more, like, you know, you see them and you notice it.

You know what I mean? Like, it wasn't, everybody, so, much more aware of it now. And plenty of people still are not, but it's just more of a thing in the general consciousness that people notice it so it won't have the same effect, you would

think. I've stopped arguing with them in 2016, but I've seen people, like, you'll see people like somebody will, like, there'll be a Facebook argument and somebody will make a point and then someone will reply like, as good American, Trump love, go.

I did a person start running back to them and angry posts. And if someone had it was going, hey, you leave me alone. It's a bot. And everybody just sort of leave. It's like people know, people know how to recognize, you know. Mark, I'm 100% leaning on you to respond to this because I'm not entirely sure. Karen Hedgesbeth May says,

Trump's not doing the stimulus so that the Senate has to confirm SCOTUS. You know what Karen's getting out there, Mark or no? What's the rationale? Yeah, when Trump posted his Twitter threat, and earlier today announcing that he was calling off the negotiations with the house over this, I mean this, he framed it as creating more time and space for McConnell to push through his, Amy Coney Barrett.

Okay. Yeah, I put up a comment from Annette Williams saying basically the same thing, asking the same question. So I guess, yeah. Yeah. So do you think that's what we talked earlier about, like, it being almost political suicide to do that to kill the stimulus. And so what's the rationale? Is this what it is?

Like it's just all about getting her pushed through? I mean, like first of all, the bill's already written. McConnell could hold a vote in five minutes and the president can sign it an hour later. So like that's a, it's not a time constraint thing. The House is already. The House approved it in May.

So it's a bullshit. It's a bullshit reason. And also like, as far as politics goes, Trump's pretty politically astute, right? I mean, he's a salesman in his whole life. He knows how to tell people what they want to hear, right? Which is why Democrats are so frustrated with him because they don't want to promise people anything.

And here's a guy promising people the moon and they think it's out of bounds or unfair, right? Actually, now he's not going to follow through anything or do anything for people, but he does how to promise people should. He knows people want to be promised. So, Trace, I'm looking at yourself. watch. It looked good, man. Tammy Thompson says,

Trey, stop looking at yourself. It's obvious. Listen, what I see, which I think is what you see, too. Mark is literally right beside me, and I've got the camera, my camera, right between me and Mark,

and I'm just trying to keep an eye on things. That's all. I'm not trying to just stare myself down while I talk, but Tray's keeping me honest. He's hosting it. So it's like in the cockpit of a fighter jet over there,

toggling a lot of switches. exactly like being in the cockpit of a fighter jet. Thank you. You're mad, you're badass. Anyway, so he seems to think that his traditional nomination is very popular, but again, 70% of people think that the next president should be, this justice shouldn't be picked after the election. So, like, he has no winning moves here, but he just keeps, like, leaning into the fail.

It's very weird. Right. Okay. Amy Heiken says, is there any chance that Trump doesn't actually have COVID? it. And I highlighted this because the night, Thursday night, late Thursday night when it first popped up, I saw a lot of people speculating like, I bet this is bullshit. I bet this is a calculated move

because what he's going to do is he's going to catch it, beat it easily and quickly, and then use that to point to or use that to downplay it or whatever. And the second half of that, again, is pretty much how it's playing out. But having said,

that no i don't believe for a second that he doesn't actually have it and my main thing was from the very from the very first moment it popped up i believed it to be true just because it's very out of character for trump in my opinion to admit to any kind of perceived weakness or whatever you want to call it like i can't i can't see don't trump admitting he is sick with anything personally you know like I just, and also in the information society we live in today and the way things work, it's just not, it ain't worth doing that, you know, in my opinion. And, and from the videos, he's sick. He's sick.

He's got it. It's real. Like, if he was, so I've been trying to put my head in the mind of where, like, how this conspiracy theory would play out, right? Because one, I wouldn't put it past him to fake having COVID for a day and a half to see if he'd get a sympathy mounts in the polls out of it. But he wouldn't go to the high. hospital.

Right. Yeah. Two, there's no like upside to giving it to Kelly McAnanian and Stephen Miller. Like having all them pretend to have it, have three congressmen who were on the Judiciary Committee who might have been able to show up for the hearings to vote through Amy Coney Barrett. Like none of it makes any sort of strategic sense. Plus it makes him look like shit.

Like they, they add rights themselves. How can he keep you safe? We can't even keep it out of the White House. Like it's like it did. So it there's no political upside of this. And there's no. the sympathy presidents get for getting sick was from stuff that isn't their fault.

Right? If you do irresponsible shit and then get it, people see that and they go like, you moron, I don't know full spad for you. It's weird. Yeah. Aaron McNeil Cotelli says, does anyone else think Trump looks like shit?

No, Aaron. No, nobody else. It's funny about the cartoons that the right wing draws where he's all jacked and played football. Yeah, he's playing. in football right he's like stiff arming somebody on his way into the end zone and whatnot shirtless and jack with a bunch of babes on his arm is like yeah i don't know what you guys are seeing me look at him man but yeah no he has looked like shit for as long as i can remember

you know having seen him uh quick i guess sort of a PSA for for the tour here david hatley says tray one of you coming back to ohio for anybody doesn't know we me corrin drew the well-read to her just we're just basically on we've hit the pause button and are going to keep it pressed until you know things are better with with COVID I just I'm not I mean you know I don't have to go into all the reasons why you guys understand we just don't feel like it's the right thing to do to have gatherings and I know all of y'all would show up and you'd follow the rules and you have your mask on and all of that but it's just there's just too many other factors and everything involved and we talked about it a lot and we just didn't we weren't comfortable with doing it so for now we're

just believe me we want a tour we want to do shows we want to get back out there but for now we're just waiting until hopefully the world unends itself but you know we'll see how it goes we'll reevaluate it yeah all right let's see what we got here to find one to end on if we can if we can find it looking through a bunch of stuff over here donna lawson says he looks sick to me i agree with you he looks obviously sick. Carmen Michaela says maybe he'll push himself too hard. You know, wonder what Carmen, what outcome Carmen's hoping for there

if he does push himself too hard. Push himself to death, maybe, that'd be fine. All righty. From YouTube, Donalina, number one, says Trump hates admitting that he caught the rona. He's trying to convince people that he's so tough that he's already recovered from it or whatever. And I feel like you're, yeah, I agree with you.

I don't think, he never wanted to be in a position to have to say that he called it. It bothers him to have to admit it. But making the best of a bad situation for him is, hey, look how good I'm doing. I'm totally fine. I feel better than I did 20 years ago, you know. I mean, I would, yeah, I mean, I would, I mean, it's, the dexter, the steroids on, like, with his age and comorbidity, is just like, On Friday, they're saying, yeah, he's got like a,

people that go on this at his age, with his, his, his, uh, BMI and stuff. He has like a one and four chance of dying. So it's like, he's not out of the woods, man. And I wouldn't be surprised he gets him back to the hospital once or twice more. I like this, this, this question just made me smile. Chris Fasio says, so does having COVID ruin his chance at the Nobel Peace Prize? Which, you know, I don't know. We'll see.

Hey, look, he's had the most peace, man. He's the most people. Everybody knows it. Biggest peace you've ever seen. Most peaceful guy. Most peaceful administration. He was nominated by a couple different people, but he was nominated by a legislator in Norway. He was a Trump supporter. Why is Norway of Trump supporters?

What the fuck is going on, man? I don't know, man. They've got to have it. That's got to be one of those, like we were talking earlier about the Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless types like the professional contrarians, even in politics. You know what I mean? They got to have their like, I mean, I don't know shit about Norwegian politics. obviously, but I assume it's just a like

he's a maverick, you know? He don't play by the rules. And the best way to illustrate that is by being a big Trump guy, I would assume, but I don't fucking know. All right. Well, this was fun. It's a good time. We'll see we'll come back Thursday and we'll see y'all here and we'll see if Trump's dead or anybody's

dead or what's going on. So, yeah, we'll be back in 48 hours. Thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers. Prayers up, everybody. All right. See you next time. Love you back. Hey, everybody, welcome back. Today is Thursday. October 8th.

I'm Trey Crowder. That's Mark Aegee. What's up, Mark? Greetings from the end times, Trey. Yes, sir. And this right here, this is evening skews. We got a lot of fun stuff to talk about. What it might have been like to be a fly on the head of the vice presidential debate between Kamala Harris and Mike Pence last night.

What is the first? future of debating presidentially in the era of COVID and a nefarious plot in the state of Michigan and the outcome of it. But first, as always, we have to do the daily dumbass.

Now, if you've been paying attention lately, you know that there has been high profile Republican after high profile Republican coming forth with positive test results for COVID-19. A lot of that has been linked to the Rose Garden ceremony.

and various other activities that have happened within the Trump administration. And it might lead you to wonder, is there something amiss within the Trump White House when it comes to keeping COVID under control? And that very question was posed to Republican National Committee chairwoman Ronna McDaniel on Fox. news this morning and let me pull it up and here we go. Mark, if you can't hear the sound, let me know, but here it is. You spent a lot of time to the White House. Do you think there's a hole in the system there now? I don't. I think they've been testing. They've been using the PPE. I think this is a virus that's incredibly contagious and there's options here, Bill. And the Democrats are saying we've got to shut everything down. The country needs to shut down

and we need to be paralyzed. And the president's saying we can balance living our lives. and getting out and working and doing the things that we need to wear the PPE, wear the masks, and at the same time. Okay. So what, what, so for context, what makes her dumbass and saying all that is she has coronavirus and she got it at the White House. Right. And they all did. And they, they all have gotten it every other day.

it's someone who has been in close proximity to this administration, right, test positive for coronavirus. And so the question, is there a hole in the protocol there? Is there something you're not doing correctly that is leading to this result? And her response is, no, no, this is just how it works. And she's not the first person to say this. this went viral right after Trump tested positive for it this is Deanna Lorraine

who's running for Congress and I think it is Arizona yeah she's a Q&I yes right yeah yeah does anyone else find it odd that no prominent Democrats have had the virus but the list of Republicans goes on and on and like it all just checks out so fully like it's all so obvious to anyone paying attention except for the people who are on the other side of the positive test apparently yeah i mean there's two possibilities

either this is a very contagious virus you're probably going to get if you're around to the people who have it if you refuse to wear a mask especially in large groups or there's a deep state deep state plot through which they're injecting only Republicans with COVID, right? So it's six of one, half dozen the other, really. But I just can't, it's just, so Romani-Me, Daniels says it's a highly contagious virus. They just spent seven months saying it wasn't. So they're doing, so arguments essentially they're doing the best they can, but this is a really tough enemy.

But also we're putting up no fight against it. Yeah, I don't make sense of any other thing, any of their arguments. Right. So moving on, the vice presidential debate was last night. Kamala Harris, Mike Pence. But no one was talking about either of them. All anybody was talking about was the fly. The fly who really made a name for himself.

I'm jealous of this fly. This fly's got a lot of heat, man. There are only like four fly, a parody fly Twitter accounts with 100,000 followers. Yeah, right. I know. This fly came out of nowhere and just established himself. as a major player in the American zeitgeist, the fly that landed on Mike Pence's head

and stayed there for two minutes or so in the middle of the vice presidential debate. I don't know. I want to make fun of how much has been made of this fly, but at the same time, I'm completely for it, and I think it's totally deserving. Do you know what I mean?

It's hilarious. I don't know. I think about my papal, Mark. My papal had that same, he had that same like the Lego Mason. Motorcycle helmet hairspray situation

going on up top. You know what I mean? We're like he wasn't, he was, none of that was penetrating to his action. nervous system, you know. And if a fly had landed on my papal's hair during my high school graduation, he would have had no fucking clue.

Like, fuck two minutes, two hours. He wouldn't have known. But this is still so funny. This happened in the middle of the vice presidential debate, especially to this particular guy, you know, because he's the guy who has this he's got a very, I don't know, Eldrich terror aura about him. Do you feel like?

Do you remember during the Republican primary debate in 2016, Ted Cruz had like a white spit booger on his lip for like 10 minutes when he realized he ate it off his lip? Yeah. Live TV's a bitch, man. I don't know. Right, right. Yeah, the only main takeaway from the debate

for me was like they were talking about COVID. Mike Pence is trying to defend his record. And basically his gist of his argument was, as the chairman of the COVID task force, here with Pink Eye, which is a symptom of COVID, talking to you through plexiglass and empty auditorium because of COVID, whose boss has COVID, I'm proud of the job we did. So that's pretty much

a So I mean as far as I don't know trying to find the actual high points that were hit in terms of political discourse in this country

there were many points well because well I feel like that's because it played out like most debates do do you know what I mean in my opinion like it was it was kind of boring you know like

I don't know we've gotten we've gotten in this place where we almost expect fireworks or something. And this kind of just played out. It's just a lot of political discourse is not that enthralling, you know. But they still covered a lot of things. They talked about like they were directly asked about stacking the court, like whether Biden and Harris would stack the court.

if they won in the wake of RGB's death and Amy Coney Barrett being appointed, and Kamala and Biden both continue to refuse to directly address that. And I know it probably feels like a cop out, but I understand the rationale for not doing that. You know what I mean? Like they're like... Yeah, it's pretty straightforward. or if they did it, it'd be a retaliatory measure.

So you don't announce retaliation before the other person acts because you don't know it's going to play out. So it makes sense to me to be like, well, what we do depends on what happens next. So I'm not going to announce. Right. You know, if, if, if, uh, if, uh, if, uh, if, if, uh, if Barrett isn't on the court, then we don't, maybe we don't or maybe we do anyway or whatever.

I wouldn't, it depends on whether they roll back the filibuster, where the Democrats take the Senate. There's really no point announcing any sort of plan to, you know, what the, you know, the, you know, the lay the field looks like. Yeah, but I don't, But I tell you what I thought, one thing that I thought was weird was they were, when they were asked about the Trump administration being willing to have a peaceful transfer of power in the event that they lost the election, which again, that shouldn't even be a question. Like, it's insane that that's even a thing that gets brought up. But that's where we are and it gets brought up.

and I felt like both of them, Kamala included, they both tried to play the card of like, oh, well, we're going to win. You know, like they both tried to pivot and be like, this is why we should win and we are going to win. You know, like she didn't really, I don't know, how do you handle the idea of the, if you are Kamala, if you're on the opposition side, how do you handle the idea of them just refusing to. submit themselves to the actual results of the election if that happens because because Pence he said he was like well his whole thing was well that's not going to happen we're going to win so it doesn't matter we're going to win so that's irrelevant and that's my answer and I get that but if you're on the other side the question is if you win they're not going to give it over to you what are you going to do like how do you react to that um I mean I

I don't, I mean, you don't really. I think, I mean, it's just like, you don't, you just, like, we're all, like, Pence isn't really committing to anything. He's, they're all just held hostage by Trump's temperament where he does a business guy thing where you, you don't make any commitments to the last possible moment you make a commitment because you don't know what's going to change between now and, you know, in election day or January 3rd or whatever, right? But it's like, this isn't, the government's on a business.

You have to, like, things have to operate on principles, right? not just like making the best deal you can get. But he just blurts out their shit and now Pence is captive to it. Pence doesn't want a civil war. He's got a nice life. He doesn't need to be vice president to have a nice life. He's going to sit on a bunch of boards and be very rich and have grandkids. And like this is not interested in this amount of contentiousness.

But the guy like Bill Barr is a true believer in Republican authoritarianism. He might be dangerous, but they still have to, the election has to be in doubt for them to steal it. It has to be, it has to be close. There has to be some discrepancies. there has to be like if Florida isn't within a 0.05% or whatever in 20 and 2000 they couldn't have still won it so it's you know maybe have too much faith in the American system I've been proven wrong a lot lately but right well I don't know you mark but I feel like we can't we can't move on from this without talking about the fly at least a little bit because

like it or not in our social media dominated uh society that we live in today. The fly is the headline here. And I'm not going to lie. I find it hilarious because flies are attracted to rotting flesh,

right? They're attracted to corpses. Last Friday, I put out a video talking about Mike Pence where I said he was like a villain, the villain from a slasher movie in the 80s about a killer pilgrim who was

animated by a corn doll that his wife keeps in her bonnet, you know, and it's like he's a gullum, he's a flesh gollum, he's a death gollum, and that's how he operates. And I feel like a lot of people look at Mike Pence that way. And a fly, a lighting on his hair for two solid minutes, it's hilarious how that plays out, right? Like, I don't think the internet's wrong in finding this noteworthy. I mean, it's sort of like we're so desperate for anything spontaneous to happen in these debates.

I don't know. I mean, to me, Mike Pence looks like, like a doctor and a cigarette commercial in the, in the 50. Yeah. Oh, you that like, like cigarettes were active at your T zone. Yeah. Put a little like the little reflective thing on his head,

running a headband and a white coat. It's the black and white TV doctor. Yeah, but let's, okay, let's try to remove ourselves from it politically, right? Like, do you think, and Mark, I know, I know you are a bald American, and I'm not casting aspersions on that. That's fine. Do you think, do you think you should be aware of a fly on your, like, hair sprayed, coiffer?

Like, like, is there, like, is this just, I appreciate the comedy in this, and I'm on board with it. It's hilarious. But, like, let's just pull ourselves back from it. And how fair is this, you know, like, should he, should he have known there was a fly sitting on his head for that amount of time? Or are we being assholes? I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm not. You're the one obsessed with the fly thing.

I've got obsessed with the whole fucking internet's obsessed with it, Mark. But I'm saying how legitimate is that, you know? Because I find it hilarious, but it's also like, again, Mark, like I said earlier, I go back to my papaw. And I think about my papaw and how much hairspray he had going on up here, right? And if a fly landed right here on my papaw's, coiff, his hairspray, like, he wouldn't have known. He would have had no idea.

I got to ask you because, like, I've, you know, been shaving my head for more than half my life at this point. So I've forgotten, would you be able to feel if I'm fly away in your hair? No, no, I don't think I would. That's what I'm saying. Like, I hate to give him credit, but I don't think I would, especially if it was, again, you just, you hairspray it, you prop it up where it's at.

and he's on the outer perimeter of your hair situation, I don't think I would be aware of it, you know? And so, you know, you can't hold that against somebody, but it is still, it's still fucking funny, though. My takeaway from the flyer thing is like, like, you're right, like it seemed like a more normal debate, but that was, this debate should have more fireworks because Pence was, like, lying his ass off.

And I don't mean, like, all politicians lie about the potential downside to policies. There's no policy that doesn't have some downside to it. it, right? Um, but he was just lying about stuff they said like a week ago, like pretending stuff that it, like, and the moderator was letting it slide and that, that lady is not, was not a good choice for moderator. Um, and, uh, Kamala left a lot of, uh, she let a lot of slow pitches. Yeah. Yeah, like, yeah, like when, uh, like when, like when Kamala was talking about Donald Trump refusing to

condemn white supremacist or whatever and and and and and and, and, that's not true. That's not true. That's not true.

And that and, and him saying that wasn't called out because like that is true. He did do. And they're defensive. He did exactly what she was saying he did. And Pence is like, that's not true.

That didn't have. happen and that wasn't that wasn't in any way questioned what their defense of it is he was a entrapped or walked into or they laid some sort of rhetorical trap and then uh he did actually do it if you look with the ramp whatever but he's had like it's been like two weeks he could have come out and and clean it up and give an unequivocal denounce denunciation of the proud boys and hasn't done it yet so he's also stubborn asshole and just doesn't want to like backtrack anything he ever said and he can see if he did anything wrong but he could he could have cleaned it up by now if he wanted to to me to make it explicit isn't to.

So I think what she said was fair. And Mike Pence was lying once again. Yeah. So somebody should have been screaming at it because there's like we're so far past like all the norm violating where like it's like you're expected to not. Again, you can lie about, I mean, you can say like I'm going to create so-and-so job without saying, oh, with the downside of it is we've got to destroy this other industry or we've got to raise taxes and so-and-so.

We've got to use them in a domain to take this place to build this road. You don't just don't talk about the downsides and people can of those kind of lies that politicians tell that are normal and okay. But what's not normal and okay is to this feel like to say, I like pumpkin pie is my favorite food one day and the next day. Be like, I've never had pumpkin pie. Like that's usually considered like a kind of lie that people will call you out on. Yeah.

Yeah. So in keeping with talking about the debates and everything, we talked about on Tuesday's episode, um, Trump had said he was looking, forward to his next debate with Joe Biden, despite the fact that he has COVID

and has publicly admitted that and everybody knows it. And he was saying that, you know, he still wanted to have the debate. He was looking forward to it. And, man, you were talking about what do you do if you're Joe Biden? Do you refuse to do it? Well, obviously, the conversation has evolved further

from there. And cooler has prevailed, I guess, and obviously they couldn't have an in-person debate when one party is positive with coronavirus. So they, they being the debate commission, floated the idea of having a virtual debate. And Trump flat out immediately refused to participate in a virtual debate. He say wouldn't do that. His administration then said, what we can do is move the debates further back.

And the Biden campaign said, no, no, we're not going to, we're not going to move the debates further back. We can have these virtual debates, or I guess we just won't have them, but we're not going to move the debates further back because they are already at a point that is historically much later than any other presidential debates in an election year have been. Yeah. So I'm just wondering how you feel like how you feel about both sides approach to it so far. I mean, I feel like it's a net positive for most Americans if it just ends up if the result ends up being we're not having any more debates. Again, based on the way the last one went. But as far as the cards they're playing, you know, on both sides, like how you feel about how that's playing out so far. Well, I mean, I'm glad they're not having any more because, quite frankly, my liver can't handle it. But the funny thing about it was the debate commission. Usually the campaigns negotiate the frameworks of the debate and the debate commission is like a moderator. Debate commission just announced that we're going to move it to virtual and didn't give Trump campaign any sort of saying it. Or they just like, because you can't negotiate with Trump because he's a bad faith negotiator, right?

So they just announced they were going to do the right thing without any input. And what Trump did was a backlash to it. the Biden campaign. I mean, whenever people here get a chance to hear Trump talk temporarily, they do not like it. So I would try to get him on TV as much as possible in a position where he's being challenged,

especially where he has to talk to regular people. I mean, good God, this is a guy who, when he gets Gold Star families on the telephone, makes them cry as he can, doesn't know to talk to another human being. So I, I would, even if it was the day before the election, I would put him on stage for the community

Ted the town. debate but well it's like well because i don't know it's weird how it's all played out because i feel like the trump campaign has played this whole this whole thing of if you refuse to debate us then you're afraid or or something you know but but given the current circumstances where he has covid and now it's flipped on its ear where trump is the one who's refusing to debate but it is specifically a virtual debate, you know, so he can still, he can still stand by that. Well, yeah, well, I'm only refusing it because it's over a computer and I'm doing it. It's in person or nothing as far as I'm concerned.

And thus, I'm still a man, you know, like it's just all such a farce the way it's playing out. But it would be funny to watch for an hour as Trump did to figure out Zoom, just like we did the whole person's Zoom thing where he's like looking, you know, trying to figure out. But I don't know. It's like you said one party has COVID. What are the reason can't do this? I think you mean political party because like you're talking about like a traveling entourage of like 75 people who all all have the mask of the red death and haven't been diagnosed with it yet because Trump still won't buy protocols. He's working in the West Wing and not wearing a mask. So it's like they can't take a busload of people to a debate.

This can't. But again, the. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's like we, like we said earlier in the show, like the, that the Republican running for office, who was like, does anyone else find it weird that no high profile Democrats have contracted COVID and it's only Republicans? It's like, it's, I think they do, they do that so often where it's like, you're, you're so close. Do you know what I mean?

Like, you want to. Like, you're, you're so close to really. realizing what's actually going on. Like, yeah, you're right. You're 100% right about that. What you just said, there are very few high-profile Democrats who have it.

Meanwhile, high-profile Republican after high-profile Republican comes down with it, isn't that weird, right? You're right. You're right to note that as being noteworthy. Go a little bit further.

Like, think about it a little bit further as to why that might be. But what they do is they're like, oh, it's some nefarious conspiracy that George Soros is behind or whatever that makes

that be true. They get this close, man. Tray, do you think it's a coincidence the entire realization of the committee to legalize pig fucking has come down with swine flu? Absolutely.

It's a conspiracy, man. Right. Okay. Hey, I want to get into this because I cannot wait to hear what Smart Mark has to say about it all. If you guys haven't seen it, a nefarious plot was upended today in the state of Michigan. The governor, Gretchen Whitmer, was almost kidnapped. But the FBI stepped in and stopped that from happening. They intervened with a group of domestic far-right terrorists in the state of Michigan and kept them from apprehending the governor of the state, Gretchen Whitmer, in their effort to try her for treason and upend the power of liberal states.

I don't know. I get lost at that point. But either way, it was bad and we stopped it. This is all over the business closure orders, which have been really contentious in Michigan. She's in the middle of a fight with the state legislature and Supreme Court just overruled her. She had to find another legal justification that there was ironclad to, like, issue more mask orders and stay-at-home orders and whatever. And so they're going to spend the rest of their lives in prison.

They arrested the six dudes and another 13 are based in charges, I think, because the governor wouldn't let them go to Applepiece. This is like where we're at right now. they were going to they were going to kidnap the duly elected governor of Michigan and put it on trial for treason which I don't know what they think treason is if it's not trying to overthrow the government.

Right, right, right, yeah. But everything about this, it's not funny is we're a really dangerous point and like eventually someone is going to, the FBI hasn't infiltrated, is going to like attempt one of these plots, assassinations or kidnappings, and it's not, it's not a good,

state for our country to be in. But I do want to, all right, so let me read that quote you found, Tray, the second bullet point. About the demo guy or the snatch and grab. The quote from the group leader on the plan,

snatch and grab, man, grab the fucking governor, just grab the bitch because at that point, we do that dude, it's over. Right? Which I know, you can take that one or two ways. They think they've successfully overthrown the government if they kidnap one lady, which isn't how. Right, exactly.

Yeah. Or they seem to be booloo boys, which means they're trying to jumpstart a civil war like Charles Manson was trying to do. Well, maybe not Charles Manson-wise. But anyway, that's what they were trying to do. And a jumpstart of civil war. So maybe it's over meaning. They mean the war will have started. So maybe that's what they mean.

Either way, I think that's probably false, too. There would have been, you know, half dozen or a dozen guys at war with the entire FBI. So I don't think that would have the result they wanted. But there's just a lot of, like, really funny. You do the oceans, the, the, the, the, yeah. So the same guy, uh, Mr. Fox, the guy who was the leader of this, um, militia, uh, group that they arrested for this. Yeah, their idea was, all we got to do is arrest the governor or, or kidnap the governor.

If we do, if we kidnap the governor at that point, it's over, which is what Mark just said. But during that same, uh, spiel, that he was going on because there was a undercover FBI agent in the room who was recording all this. He also said to them that it was important that they recruited a engineer or IT expert, i.e. a hacker, a demo guy and other operators. So basically, this guy is like trying to figure. He was like, listen, if we're going to do this, obviously, we need a guy in the van. we need a bomb guy

we need a hacker like he's just going through the oceans 11 rules of of a caper right like it's so obvious that they're just basing all of this on watching heist movies

and determining what they need to execute their uh their nefarious plot we'd a con artist a cat burglar a master of disguise right right Right, right. Can we show this screen grab in the affidavit about Mr. Fox real quick?

Yes, we can. Hang on, hang on. I've pulled it up now. Let me get in the thing here. This is a really funny. This is a group text that he's got sent to all the people in on the plot. Yep. There it is, right?

Yeah. Well, how does everybody feel about kidnapping? No one responded to the question. Do not put your plans to get up a gupenter in a group text message. Probably because it's FBI agent only group text message. Here's a pro tip. If you're the new friend you made, amping up your terrorism plans, he's probably an FBI agent, right?

Something to know, just keeping your heart. But these guys, we're probably, pretty scary because they generally had better obsequent than that, like operational security. Like they were meeting in an underground, in an underground layer they built underneath the rug. But you have to lift the rug and open the trap door and go down and they would confiscate cell phones before they were going their underground layer to talk about their plans. We'll see. They had a couple of informants and an undercover FBI agent in their group who was wearing,

they were all wearing wires. That's where they're, okay. Well, see, that's like, like we're, we're. laughing throughout this as we talk about this. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. And that's how I've, that's how I've generally felt about it the whole time. Like they're going back to Trump first being elected, there's been this like question of how how is the far right going to respond if we just win? You know, what are they going to do? And I've, the whole time, I've always been on the side of like,

dude, fuck them. Like they like, they're, like, they're. They're cowards, they're They're pussies, they're dumb. They're not, they ain't gonna do shit. Like, and I've genuinely believed that. Like, I've never been less afraid of anything than I am of these, like, mayonnaise Americans who are in these militia groups or whatever.

And I've, and I really do feel that way. But this story in particular, it's funny because, like, it both reaffirms that. like they're easy to laugh at but also like you said there's an actual element of them being a threat there you know what I mean

like I don't I just I'm afraid of being the guy that ends up you know having laughed this all off and then it turning out to be an actual problem but I'm so inclined to just laugh them off because I'm just I'm not afraid of these guys they're so, like, they are stupid. They're stupid. It's like we mentioned earlier, the way that, like,

the way they plot out their nefarious schemes is based on fucking Steven Soderberg movies. It's based on Oceans 11 shit. It's like, heist movies. They're like, oh, well, we need a guy in the van. We need a guy with, that knows dynamite really good. Like, they don't, they're, fuck it. They're stupid.

They're not, like, I'm just, I'm not afraid of them. But I worry about being the guy who screams that publicly, and then they happen to come through with, you know, the right, just, I don't know, people, you know what I mean? Just being on the wrong side of them actually. The blind squirrel theory, right? The blind squirrel finds a nerd every now and then.

Like that that happens regarding these people, you know? Like, I don't want to, I don't want to jinx it. I'm too much of a sports fan to not be worried about, about jinxing something like this. But at a philosophical level, I'm just not worried about these people. I don't find them threatening. Well, famous last word, because I don't know. I know, right. Yeah.

I don't fund them as far as to overthrow the government. But like, there's always like, you know, pockets of right-wing terror constantly in this country. I mean, like, just the last few years, he had the synagogue shooter, the El Paso shooter. You got the in-cells driving into crowds. You got, you know, people driving the crowds of protesters. And like these, like Obama was the biggest recruiting tool they ever had

because he gave him a boogeyman. Militian rank swelled like tenfold during the Obama years. and then Obama was their boogeyman and Trump gave him a mascot and he's going to turn into a martyr when he loses. So there is going to be an uptick in right wing violence. What I find comforting about this, these guys are funny. I'm not telling us,

I'm going to keep laughing with these morons because it's all we got, you know, is ridicule. But, like, I am happy that the FBI is taking these, because the FBI keeps screaming that the number one threat, domestic terror threat, is right-wing dudes. And they're actually like putting some resources towards

cracking these plots. That's good. Usually they just follow around, like, people that think are Antifa and just, like, try to, like, you know, and implant themselves in environmental movements and civil rights movements to, like, try to, you know, rescue people for, they always assume they're left-wing terror plots. There just aren't usually any. And these, like, I wish if these guys had to plans, like, they were planning on a plant IEDs and Maltop cocktails to take out cops. And the only police that have died since the protest started were killed by Boogaloo Boys trying to jump, another set of dudes start of race wars. Well, that, that, I would hope that would like see the real threat to their lives here. Right. Right.

Right. No. Yeah. No. That's a very important point, I think. Like, we're sitting here laughing these guys off and everything. But that's an important element of it is a huge part of these guys' strategy had to do with targeting and neutralizing law enforcement officials. Like they're far right. They're far right militia. And they're trying to take out. the cops too you know what I mean so um like you can't if you're if you're on the side of law enforcement you can't just automatically put any sort of leftist ideology in opposition to you because you've also got these guys who are pulling their bullshit you know so yeah I mean it's like I guess it comes down to would you uh rather have Antifa, you know,

escort you with water guns and throw us some, they shoot some fireworks at you or have some right-wing militia dude to pull up your cars. I don't know. It seems like it. I'll take a column A, but I guess they're going to do them. All right. Mark.

Can we talk about the Trump administration reaction to this? Because it's fucking ghoulish and galling. Yes. So here's how Jason Miller, who is the de facto campaign, for Trump campaign right now because everyone else has fucking COVID. Here's how I responded to finding out that Trump supporters were trying to kidnap the governor of Michigan. Wait.

What happened? I'm here. Did you? All right. Did you play a thing? What happened? Oh, I don't know how to play it. There it is.

I can't. I don't even know how to do. You got the cockpit over there, man. I'm just sitting here talking. You're right. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Here we go. We get here. I will pull it up. Yeah. I apologize. This guy, by the way, if you don't know who Jason Miller is, after the end of the first campaign, he was caught having affairs with two staffers, one of whom he got pregnant, even though he was married to another woman. And he also got a stripper pregnant and tried to, he got accused of putting abortion drugs in her, in her milkshake to try to get her to get rid of the baby.

So this is the guy about to talk right now, who's the campaign campaign. All right. Well, I'm going to play. Here we go. These are some pretty shameful comments here from Governor Whitmer. I mean, how we could take, because how you can go from a moment of unity to attacking President Trump, I thought was just completely ridiculous. I mean, if we want to talk about hatred, then Governor Whitmer, go look in the mirror. I mean, the fact that she wakes up every day with such hatred in her heart towards President Trump.

I mean, President Trump is the one out there condemning these radical groups, whether they be on the right or would they be on the left. We saw it two weeks ago when he was in Atlanta introducing his platinum plan, his contract with Black America, where he labeled the KKK and the Antifa, both terrorist groups. Remember, this is the context of what Whitmer was on my own fingers Trump's comments were, this is in the middle, like, in the middle of all the protests, when, like, guys with the AR stormed the Michigan Capitol building, and were pouring guns of cops over there and burning Governor Whitmer in Effigy,

and he was in the middle of all that he was tweeting liberate Michigan, right? People know who he was talking to. This, like, this like, well, it's also like, I don't know, even putting all that aside,

the idea of being like, this woman, this woman whose family was targeted for abduction and ransom and all this, I don't know where she gets off. accusing our ideology of having anything to do. Like, the idea of targeting someone, I mean, it's just, well, it's just, it's victim blaming,

you know, the idea of taking a victim in a scenario like this and being like, who the fuck do you think you are? You know, after someone saying that to you, after you have been the target of, of a fucking abduction plot is insane. Like, I would just, I would never, just on a regular day-to-day interpersonal level,

I would, I would never do that. Like, if someone had been through something like that, I would not dream of accosting them with ideological accusations. You know, like it's fucking absurd. But I don't know. Yeah, I mean, they call us a kidnapping plot, but if they successfully kidnapped her, after killing a lot of her security detail or shooting them at least, I don't see how the plan

doesn't end with her debt if they somehow got custody of her. You know, so yeah, her life was, she found out this morning her life was under threat from Trump's president, the president supporters. Instead of saying, oh, I are bad. Maybe we'll be more careful with her language next time. They're like, you know what, doubling down. Get to it, I guess. Yeah, well, she, right, this is a far right militia group.

Imagine going through this, finding out you and your family, your children, and everything are at risk because of this far right militia group and you being the target of their ire. And then you go through that in that same day, someone asked you about it, and you respond. I guess what I'm trying to say, I feel like you should almost be off the hook for what you say in that in that situation, no matter how it comes out. Do you know what I mean? Like you, like that, I don't know,

somebody tries to come after my kids, my wife and kids, what I'm going to say in react, like if you put a fucking mic in my face at the end of that day and asked me to respond to it, I shouldn't even be held to that to begin with, right? And then let alone, taking that and then demonizing that person on a political level, you know, and acting like that's completely out of bounds, politically speaking, is just fucking, it's not just, it's not just ridiculous. It's fucking gross. You know what I mean? Like, like, it is. I mean, I don't even want to go that far because nothing she said was inappropriate. She essentially said the president should be more responsible with his language, which he actually should be. And, um, and this, and it's,

We had this environment where like every Democrat in the country has to ask to answer for every teenager with pink hair or spray paint's ACAB on the side of the federal building. But the president's explicit supporter thing, we're going to go kidnap this lady and kill people for the president. And somehow he's like he's excited. Don't even bring, don't even put my name in it. You know, it's very weird. Right. Before we move on to the next topic, small update on the debate stuff. My aunt Kim, shout on Aunt Kim just sent me this.

She just said So the Trump campaign chairman Bill Steepian put out a statement basically saying that they want in-person debate They're ready for an in-person debate now They're demanding it And instead of calling off the debate, they want to do it And they have a note from Trump's doctors saying

He'll be cleared for a safe return to public engagements by Saturday, which I don't, this breaks every guideline from what we know unless he tested positive Two weeks before they said, you know? Yeah. well I mean yeah but he's been doing that the whole time

you know like he like but this doctor dude this fucking doctor put his name like yeah yeah but I I don't know they they're always they're always able to find somebody with a doctor

in front of their in front of their name who can back up the bullshit they're saying you know even if even if it comes down to climate change or whatever. Like, they can find somebody who has been accredited at some point or another who has the actual credentials to back it up who can support the shit that they're saying. And that never fails.

For sure. But, like, when it comes to the climate change, you shop around for two or three quacks. You're willing to go on payroll, right? No, I know. No, I know. Well, that's the thing like you. Right. Yes.

Like, right. They find one guy and there's 99 guys who say the opposite. But they find that one guy and that one guy is just as accredited as the 99 guys are. Usually not. But you know what I mean? What I'm saying is this guy was already in his position previous to Trump administration. He's been a Navy doctor for a long time. He works at Walter Reed.

He just happens to be in that position. They've gotten him to completely surrender his dignity, even though he wasn't one of them when he started. He's just one of them now. Right. All right. Well, let's go the comments and everything over here, see what you guys are saying.

While I look through things, I just wanted to take a moment to lambast the Tennessee Titans of the National Football League, who have done everything they can do to fuck the football season up, apparently. They held an unsanctioned practice after already having their game postponed multiple weeks later

because of multiple positive COVID test results, the players held an unsanctioned practice where they all came together, held hands, got each other's face hugged up, said we're going to get through this. And now what do you know, 14 days later, we're still getting positive results

every fucking day. So good for them for doing that. But anyway. I am amazed at how many people, like, these are, these are dudes, like average NFL career is not very long.

Like, I mean, like, once you throw out the outliers, like quarterbacks to play for 14 years, like, if you have his NFL player

will make a good living playing football for one, two, three years, right? And these are guys who put, not just their lives, but their livelihoods,

on the line to break rules that everyone understands. And it's like, this is the kind of shit. This is the reason the bleach has to have do not drink written on it. I cannot believe people are this fuck stupid. I know. It's unreal. Still kicking from YouTube says, just what kind of smart is smart, mom?

I'm not. Trade, the trade does it. So, Tray wants to be able to throw to me for the actual information. So when it's wrong, he's not to blame for it. He's right. He's figured me out. He's figured me out. He's the guy with the actual information over here. GP says more Mark, and I agree with you. Let's get more Mark in here. Too much here. We got Adam White says, and I just lost him, Adam White says, as an outsider, oh, here we got found it. Adam White says, as an outsider from Australia, this is all bat shit crazy.

I can't even imagine. I'm not going to lie. I get defensive sometimes when I see shit like this because I'm like, don't act like y'all ain't got bullshit in your country. But then I realize I know we have got to be the most ridiculous of the, you know, first world countries. And I feel bad. I feel, mostly I feel bad and embarrassed.

for people like that, like you said, like, this is what we are to you? Yeah. I remember getting drunk with some dudes from Australia in a bar in New York one time. This is during the last, during 2016 election. And these guys were like making the case that the whole world

should get to vote for America's president because when our shit's fucked up, the whole world's fucked up. And I argue with it for like 10 minutes. Then I realize they're absolutely right. Australia should get to vote for America's president. So should all Europe. because like we dragged the whole role in the wars and we ruined climate change.

Yeah, no, no, it's weird because like I feel like, um, yeah, people from Australia, people from England, people from wherever else, uh, they, they are generally aware of what's going on with American politics. And it doesn't apply in reverse. Like, I'm not going to lie, Adam, I ain't got a clue what's going on in Australian politics right now. But I think, they have a. they have a dumbass science denying right wing president, but like,

the difference here is like we have, um, we have an entire party that's insulated itself from voters. So they can do whatever they can't be held accountable. Well, but also it's like it, it's like you said like, like, I mean,

frankly, they need to keep up with what we're doing. Because we do, you know, like we're, we're the fucking, we're the toddler running around holding the nuclear football. You know what I mean?

Like, they have to keep, they have to keep up with what we're doing because we could fuck everything up overnight. I mean, in like, in like, 2002, you're like an Iraqi small businessman. You got a store, right? And you're just, you're making a nice living. You got a family. And you're watching on TV as U.S. Senate debates about whether to kill you and blow your, blow your business up. Right. Like, we don't have that here.

We're not watching Chinese news to speak. see if they're deciding to kill us because, like, we don't feel threat. I want to that. It's very weird. All right. So Tanya Johnson from Facebook says, are you concerned about civil war, like actual civil war? And I want to say, I want to say no, but it's weird.

It won't be like it was before. I can tell you that right now. Like, because I feel like, as a comedian who toured for years and everything, and has been all around the country, you can find hardcore, fucking far right

wing Trump supporter Republicans in Southern California. Or Washington or Minnesota or fucking New York State or wherever. They're there. So what freaks me out

about the idea of a like new civil war is that it's not going to be geographically based, I promise you. It's like a, it's an urban, rural divide. So that makes me think that no, it's not going to happen ultimately, but I'm saying it won't be as simple as I think a lot of people see it playing out in their heads, you know, because there's pockets of both sides in every state in this country. It's not, you can't just, it's not the Mason-Dixon line. You can't just draw the line of demarcation somewhere on the map in America.

And that's what makes it super fucked up. You, I mean, there's just, no, I mean, the short answer is, like, definitely no civil war. There's going to be civil unrest. And by that, I mean, you're going to have, like, these protests that have been happening since George Floyd died, they'd be happening even if Joe Biden was president. They're going to continue to keep happening as long as, you know. Right. Well, they started when, they started when Obama was born.

president. Yeah, the Ferguson upbrows. Michael Brown, Ferguson. Yeah. Baltimore was pretty great. In Baltimore was under, was under Obama. That stuff's going to keep happening. And more and more people are empathetic towards those groups, those movements are

going to be bigger and bigger. And you're going to see pockets of right-wing terrorism. Like, it's going to be, I would expect to see a few, you know, assassination attempts of a few. But it's like, it'll be like Europe in the 60s with you had a few, like, a few communist brigade terrorist attacks and a few right-wing, you know, neo-Nazi terrorist attacks. And otherwise shit was fairly normal. But I don't know.

I mean, I'm not like we've been this night in the late 60s were awful, man. Like there were tons of political assassinations, MLK, Robert Kennedy, Malcolm X, JFK died earlier in the decade. You know, somebody threw the secretary of defense off a boat in the Potomac. There were, but there was like 700 domestic bombings a year. I don't think shit's going to get that bad. so we've survived worse but there's a bunch of them. Well, what do you think about this part of it? Randy Greer

from YouTube says the Civil War today will be televised and I actually think like that does make a difference. Like you'll know the source of where a lot of this is coming from. You know what I mean? Like it'll I don't know.

Like I said, it just none of it is as black and white as a lot of people like to act like it is. Like a lot of it is a lot more gray within this country than people like to think

and I feel like today your actions are sort of put out there for everybody to see the whole time and I think that's good and bad you know what I mean

well like I mean the shit with with the governor of Michigan you know you know like people in Alabama are you asking about Michigan

they're like yeah that's liberal state you know and you got a Democratic governor who was the subject of a of a kidnapping plot

to be tried for treason by a far right group who was targeting cops who are, you know what I mean? Like the whole, it is all so muddled. It's all so fucked up right now. There's so many different kinds of crazy people

who have a voice now and it's like, what do you do with that? Yeah, I mean, we'll be televised. I guess my takeaway from that is like there's going to be there'll be way less violence than you feel like it, but it'll, its effects will be more far reaching because everyone will see it and everyone will know about it. And it will be on camera. So like, um, something like, I mean, right. Well, well, like the, the hardcore, the leader of the state level Congress in Michigan, who's a hardcore guy.

And I can't remember his name now and I could look it up. But anyway, he came out and strongly condemned this plot and was like, any attack upon our governor's attack on all of us, you know, and we can't have this or whatever. And this dude is one of the most hardcore GOP types you can find. Yeah, I mean, he's trying to say he's not for the violence. He's been calling her a tyrant for six months. Right.

No, I know. I know. Okay. So that is unfair and fuck that guy. but when the violence happens and that guy still you know denounces it that's good you know you know what i mean like it's you can't you can't let people off the hook for stoking this kind of bullshit for for months and then it finally comes to a head and you can't just let them off the hook for that but it is still preferable that they say, no, you can't do that, you go to jail, you know, we can't have this,

right? Like, we're not at a point where that guy is like, yes, crown him, let him out of jail. But you know what I mean? Like, they're, I don't know. I'm trying to find hope here, Mark. Like, I think, okay, well, it is really walk back. To do about the other person's question, I don't even like entertaining, like, like, like, 95% of people just want to go about their day and be left alone.

There's not like, that's true. There's not some sort of mass societal destabilization like that led to the civil war, which is like the fundamental understanding of the humanity of people of black people, right? There's just not, there's not, we don't have those kind of, like, so that kind of, that kind of apocalyptic rhetoric is this kind of shit Trump says. And to me, it's playing into it to even entertain the idea. No, there's not going to be civil war.

There's going to be a few dozen right-wing dudes that, um, probably blow up some empty cop cars and they'll get bust by the FBI because they can't they don't know how they don't know how to like not have an Alexa turned on and hey Siri where should I do my next terrorist attack so it's like it's it's it's gonna be fine everybody yeah um evy 170 from YouTube agrees with you mark they say um all most people want is peace and quiet yes there's too much drama with these nutcoach groups and you're right I mean yeah like you said 90% to people, they just, they just want to live their life. They want to go to work, pay their bills, race their family, whatever, and just be

left alone with this bullshit. And I bet you'd be looking at these dudes backgrounds are probably, like, these groups always like the proud boys, these malicious, these are all like, this is too big to talk about this moment, but like, you can Google like, like, loneliness research, like, American society is a tremendous, like, male loneliness problem. Not me, I got my buddy Tray to talk to. But like, the, uh, but like these groups prey upon dudes that just need to belong to something. And I bet you these guys are the divorce or single or abandoned by their family or whatever because they went crazy.

And these are the group. And this kind of shit gives them purpose. We're going to take back America from this tyrant who closed the, you know, the mall. Yeah, but I don't know. Can we not, we just need a better video game or something for these guys. Like, you know what I mean? Like just something that brings them all together they can all talk about. and then I have to feel so sad and disenfranchised.

Like, can't we figure something out? Trey, once virtual reality porn takes off, it's going to save society. Oh, right. I don't know what this means, but Michelle Miller says, Mark, that part, that part, that part. Navarious O8 says so malicious or full of insales. Yeah, I mean, I, I feel like yes, they are.

Like, not exclusively, but yes. There's a shitload of insales and militias. I don't know if you saw another news sir up in today, Brad Parscale Trump's former campaign manager who was arrested a couple weeks ago for hitting his wife and he was tackle. He was filming a body cam footage being tackled and people were saying it's police abuse or whatever. But he said the reason he was upset is because his wife wouldn't have sex with him. So they're even married and cells out there causing drama.

but yeah i mean like these guys when i say lonely i don't just meet with women i mean like they just looking for a friend group to talk to and these militia groups will hang out with them so all right quanti five from youtube says can't they get into animal crossing like a normal person look let me take i just want to say i've tried okay we downloaded in the house i've i floated around i picked up all the all the oysters and the shells and stuff i started my own farm and I can't figure out the point of that game. I can't make Animal Crossing make sense to me. So I'm not going to judge other people who cannot make sense of Animal Crossing.

That's all I'm going to say. But it seems to rope some people in. So anybody that can recalibrate their focus or their rage into growing blue roses in Animal Crossing or an orchard. or an orchard, whatever, if they can do that, I support that fully. But I'm not there. Martin, do you have any fucking idea what I'm talking about? No, I mean, I've heard of Animal Crossing, but isn't it just do stuff you do it? It's not really a video game.

You just do stuff like you do a normal life, like hang out with people and you can pretty much. I mean, I live in an apartment, so I can't play it that many flowers. Well, it is kind of that, but you also do stuff you don't do a normal life. like you put on a scuba suit and you go swim out in the ocean and go diving for oysters and stuff like that. Or you can stand there fishing for, fishing for sharks and shit. I don't know. Look, my wife and kids try to get me into it. I couldn't understand it.

But, but yeah, it apparently, apparently a lot of people find it a very relaxing way to waste time. And I feel like, you know, a lot of these groups, they could use that. so maybe try Animal Crossing. The Wolverine Warriors in Michigan that were instead, if they had instead of outlining this nefarious plot to kidnap the governor

had instead focused on a singular island that they all started together in Animal Crossing and they, you know, parsed out the different responsibilities to different guys. hey Trevor you plant the apple trees you know David you fish for the sharks on the like if they'd have done that then who knows mark where would we be right now maybe they would be in a better place Nintendo's trying to save us all that's all I'm saying yeah yeah what can you say to that what can you say to that ridiculous bullshit other than other than yeah yeah

really kids get on Fortnite don't actually play Fortnite they just like have dance parties and hang out and talk so like their games really are a different bag man well yeah you know I mean when I was in high school fucking Columbine happened thereby blame

violent video games for but maybe video games are trying to save us all you know maybe it goes in the opposite direction who knows I'm just saying yeah if you're fucking proud boy try Animal Crossing that's all I'm saying do that start a island, plant a tree. See what happens. God damn it. All right. Well, me and Mark, we'll see

you next Tuesday here on the evening skews. And thank you. We love you. See you by.