wellRED podcast - Evening Skews - Week of September 29, 2020

Episode Date: October 6, 2020

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I'm mad. I just set my alarm clock for this. Five p. What are you for? I know. Yeah. And today's Tuesday, September 29th.

For anybody watching, as you might know, so as everybody, I'm sure, is aware, at 6 o'clock Pacific tonight, is the first presidential debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. And me and Mark agreed it wouldn't be a good idea to go toe to toe with that. I mean, hell, we want to watch it ourselves. So we talk. about what should we do? Should we cancel the show? Should we move it? What should we do? And we

ultimately decided to move it up an hour. I tried to post about it a couple times. I hope people are able to see that. And I also hope if you're not able to watch it live at this different time, you can still check it out over the course of the week. And regardless, we're just glad you're here. We appreciate it. So with that said, let's get into the show. As always, As always, we begin with a dumbass report. And tonight's, tonight's dumbass report is on topic. It has to do with the debate. It seems to me like the Trump campaign is setting up excuses for losing the debate in advance of the debate happening.

They're actively trying to discredit Biden's debate techniques before the debate even starts. And now, let me, I also want to give a disclaimer. I don't think it's fair to categorize this tactic as dumbassery. I actually think it's more appropriately classified as evil genius type shit that came from somebody on. The dumbasses are all of us because it works. Right. That's the thing. The dumb ass comes in when you consider the fact that this will work on the amount of people that it will work on.

So what the Trump campaign is doing is they've launched a massive disinformation campaign about Biden where the debates are concerned before we even get started. And it gets kind of conspiracy and kind of interesting in my opinion. So I want everybody to look at this. If you're watching right now, you'll see a collection of memes on your screen. And if you're only listening, I'll describe them to you. So at the same time, 7.28 a.m. this morning, September 29th, 2020, multiple different prominent conservative social media pages

posted the exact same meme at the exact same time. And if you can't see it, the meme is a picture of Joe Biden looking mad. It's mad. That's not sleepy Joe. That's angry Joe. It's a picture of angry Joe Biden. And the text on the picture reads

Joe Biden should be inspected for a hidden earpiece as well as submit to a drug test before the debate. And then the bottom half says, say yes if you agree. So, in my opinion, they're trying to just set up the idea that Biden basically cheated one way or another, right? Like he engaged in some shady underhanded tactics that he shouldn't have, and that's why Trump lost to Joe Biden. And again, noteworthy.

This is being put out there before the debate even happens. And also, these things they're bringing up, like a lot of these sort of disinformation campaigns, are pretty much just fabricated out of thin air, right? Like, why the fuck should Joe Biden necessarily be drug tested before a debate? You're looking for hidden earpieces? It's going to be live on camera. What are we worried about?

But they're just trying to throw out, like, cheat codes that they can claim he engaged in tomorrow morning when the results come in. There's two basic, because the disinformation thing. So all those social media accounts blasted that out of like 7.30 a.m. and then, of course, that starts the just raising questions aspect of the news cycle because it's out there in ethos. Trump tweets about it. The Trump campaign war room puts out a tweet saying that Biden had previously agreed to be

searched for an earpiece and now I was refusing to. and uh and then it's now it's on fox news because it's become a debate between um uh and just an insane made up thing and then other people saying that's weird right but the two conspiracy theories fall into two basic camps you've got um the drug test and earpiece uh and then you got the uh sorry the drug the earpiece and uh Biden got the questions ahead of time thing oh right yes that's another part yeah and then the drug the drug test which they've also said Biden will they wanted Biden to agree to a drug test. Because Trump's been on this whole thing where he thinks Biden's getting shots to not seem like his dementia.

Right. He's talked about it at rallies, which is funny because Trump thinks there's a drug you can take to make your brain work better to be president. And he's not taking it. Right. Right. Well, okay. So on that note, the other thing about that to me is like, to me, from my perspective, all that does is like really lower the expectations for people regarding how Joe Biden will perform and come across.

You know what I mean? Like Trump spends all this time saying like he can barely function. He has to take drugs that even be able to form a coherent sentence and this type of thing. So to me, and I know we are no longer governed by, you know, reason or logic or anything like that. But to me, people hear that and then they tune in tonight and they see Joe Biden just being a regular, human politician. You know what I mean? Just like giving a completely average performance, but compared to the bar that the Trump campaign has set for him, how could you not look at that and be like, oh, well, I mean, seems like he's okay to me. Like, it seems like it props him up,

really. It is a, it is a desperate hill Mary, but it's not stupid because if Biden flubs a a couple lines or forgets where he's going in a meandering sentence, right? It's going to, it's laid the ground for there to be a bigger meme and a bigger conspiracy theory that Trump has been proved true, right? So if debate goes normally, Trump's going to look like an idiot. But if it goes, but if you're behind 10 points anyway in reality, you've got to do weird, you've got to do weird stuff to mix it up. You've got to start doing, you know, halfback passes and a hook and ladder plays. And this is, this is what that is. It's a fake punt down on fourth and 26. But the other, the other part of the conspiracy theories are pointing to me too, because the earbud.

and you got the answers ahead of time because that creates a universe in which there's a the debate questions like pop quiz questions that there are correct answers to do you know I'm saying like what is your plan to health care is there's no correct answer to it it's either your your worldview or my old view and explain it there's no like it's not like what is the capital of Bahrain do you know what would the year piece even do I guess you're saying he can't remember his own policy positions but no no politician is their own platform memorize anyway so the whole thing's dumb. Okay, but also, and I might be wrong about this,

or if I put my foot in my mouth this early in the show, but like, don't, doesn't everyone know already the, like, the general subject matter of the debate? You know what I mean? Like that's, right. They know the general topics, so. Health care.

I don't, I don't understand what that one, that particular accusation is even supposed to mean, you know, like, but that's the thing. It doesn't, it doesn't matter what it. All they have to do is make the accusation into a certain percentage of the American populace. It becomes the reality. You know, he cheated. He had a, he had a bug in his ear.

He got the questions ahead of time. And he was high on the limitless drug, I guess, apparently. And that's, that's all you need to know. You and I've talked about it last week, but these debates are pointless. And there's no, there's, it's all theater. and like if you want to know about their healthcare positions, you can go look at their web pages or read the news and you know them. And does it like, this is all theatrics.

This is all like, and because it's Fox News, there are already traps laid. Chris Wallace is hosting. And one of the six categories is a race and violence in our cities. So Biden's definitely not going to step in it there. Yeah. And I,

as far as them not mattering, I saw one poll in particular that I think was from, like Monmouth University or something, but has been, you know, shared in a lot of different news publications that 3 percent, 3 percent of respondents said that they were relying on the debate to inform their decision. And 87 percent of respondents said they couldn't care less about the debates, basically. So then I guess you got like 10 percent, yeah, you got like 10 percent of people who are sort of like, well, I don't know. I'll see how it goes based on this one poll.

But anyway, you slice it. Like, they don't. Yeah, and you're right. You brought it up before. They don't really matter. But I've said before, and I'll say again now, I still, I fully acknowledge they don't matter. And I still think that it's good for Biden to do it. Like, you just can't.

You got to do it. And at this point, like, it's happening. They are doing it. But you're right. Like, it is just theater. I mean, even with, like, with Trump and Hillary in 2016. I mean, I remember, I remember watching those and fully, and obviously, I'm by everyone is biased to a certain extent. And I'm a liberal and I'm biased too.

But I remember one, like being fully confident that she shredded his ass in those debates. But it was, it was portrayed completely differently, you know, after the fact by the opposing side. and they all just ran with that. And that's going to happen every time, I think. Like, so. No, but no. Don't fuck yourself over, I guess. Yeah, but that's like, that's what, that's what, that's what, one of the reasons

debates are pointless is like, like, it was like, Hillary, like, the post-debat poll, and so she won like 70 to 26 or whatever. Right. Right. And decided, a bunch of people watched it and thought that she won the debate and then still all the debates and then still voted for Trump. So, like, what's the point of them? But I do, I do like the idea of these three percent of undecided people.

people who were like sat and lived through 2020 and like, well, I went employed. I'm about to lose my apartment. And I haven't been able to hold my mammoth since February. But you know what? I'm going to get another chance because he said it's not happening. You know, that's not my experience in my life. No, yeah. We've also talked about before completely independently of any conversation about the debates before the debates ever even come up. Like in this particular election in this particular year, the idea of a undecided voter, a fence sitter is insane to me. I mean, I'm sure they do exist. Obviously, they do exist.

I can't wrap my mind around that. I guess some of them are like hardcore single issue voters that are not clear on one particular side's approach to that issue or something. I don't know. I can't make it make sense. I think when I say the debates are theater, I think like one sense of which the theater is we keep having them so we can pretend that we're a nation of rational people who can be persuaded.

Right. We keep pretending like this is the Lincoln-Nell's debates or, or Kennedy and Nixon or whatever. When reality, we're all entrenched and we vote the way we do largely for cultural and estatic reasons because not a party does much differently. I mean, like, we elected, we went from Bush to Obama and to Trump and we're in the same wars doing it the same way pretty much. Like, so it's like, well, we just, it's, it's very perfunctory and like, like,

like, it's like the parties switch positions on issues all the time from election to election. And we keep voting the same way we do because some people vote blue. it's where we're at. We want to pretend, like, I'm going to listen to the position to make a decision. It's just not, they're not borne out by reality. Yeah. But three percent of us are open-minded, so we got to keep it up to the degree on the degree to which Biden should sort of engage him in his muck-racking. You know what I mean? Like, he's, he is definitely, because he can't not, he is definitely going to you know get personal

fleeing insults shit like that and to me I'm from where I'm saying I'm like swing back motherfucker you know how much ammo you got to roast his ass go for it

but there is this philosophy that exists you know the famous quote that we've all heard you know never wrestle with a pig because you both get dirty and the pig likes it like that that whole thing of getting like drug down to his level or whatever and getting mired in the just sort of barb flinging and that type of thing like how do you feel about the best way to go about that if you're joe biden well you

don't want to get um into like a personal snaps competition because that always makes people look Trump everyone thinks of trump is low anyway so he can do it and nobody and it's just kind of funny I mean, he's just, like, the short-tungered vulgarian thing that that's spy magazine started calling him in the 80s. Like, he's always been a trash monster. Everyone, no one's ever thought different. Yeah. So he would go on Howard Stern and talking about one to have sex with teenagers.

And everyone, like, oh, that's just, that's Donald. Like, so, like, the classic example of Rubio trying to, like, make a joke about having a little dick in one of the, one of the, one of the, one of the, one of Rubio's last debates and he was really desperate. And it did not land and made Lou, Rubio look, because Rubio was clammy and stuff because it's the base. He's has some sense of dignity, even though I hate the dude, or don't like his politics or what he does in public.

But not everyone can do that and look confident doing it because it's a shitty thing to do and you've got to be a piece of shit to do it. You've got to be one thing Trump's really, really good at it as being a piece of shit. So if Biden tries to go back at him for being like a business loser or maybe that might be not the borderline of what's in bounds, but he tries to go over his family, like Trump's going to go after a Hunter Biden or any of that stuff. not going to play for Joe the way it does for Trump because they're pitching to two different subsets of voters

and Joe's going to look awkward doing. So, but so what, so what do you do? Do you just sort of like immediately deflect one of those types of attacks and pivot to something else? Like, just. If you're going to do, if you're going to do jokes, and those are all, like the canned responses are always

terrible because they're jokes written by political writers, which but so it'll always be like, like, uh, uh, um, uh, uh, um, uh, dummy don. level stuff, right? So I would just stay away from it. But if you're going to, if you're going

to go back at him over something, it should be like over corruption or being or is a political record with self-dealing, is golfing, you know. Right. Um, needing, needing to make the secret service to pay triple for golf carts to keep as a property from being underwater. Um, that kind of stuff is like probably that the line you need to take. Because you go back at him clawing and fat and stupid with dumb hair. It's all that's true, but it's not going to play. It's just not. You're right.

I mean, it would play for me. Me personally, I would love it. Like, you reminded of it. We were on the group text earlier today. There was apparently a tweet that went out that was like, political comedy writers, submit your zingers here. And maybe the Biden, I don't think it wasn't like an official Biden campaign thing, but it was like, submit your zingers for the debate here. And who knows, maybe the Biden campaign can use it for some ammunition. and the one we singled out in the group,

the group chat was this lady named Sue, this lady named Sue, a total queen, total comedy queen was like, she gave this whole preamble about like, look, I understand if you can't use this, if it's not appropriate or whatever,

but here's what I was thinking. I was thinking something like this. Joe comes out, looks at Donald and says, what is this costume day? And nobody told me? Boom. Like, boom, got his ass.

But yeah, like... That was about his makeup, I guess Trump was the joke. Yeah, he's a clown, yeah. Yeah, right. You get it. He's not a makeup too, though, because they're on TV. Also, he's not a real president. He's only in a president costume.

There's layers, Mark. There's layers to Sue's laser-focused burn we got here. But yeah, you know, and I'm sure you feel the same way. as a comedian, whenever they start to sort of engage in like roast material, invariably, I roll my eyes. So like, I'm not saying that, but I think there's ways to, it feels to me like almost anything that Trump could throw at him, there are ways to turn it right back on Trump in a, you know, in a, oh shit, type of fashion. But I don't know, I don't know that, like, that I think you really should do that. Like, I'm not saying that. Like, I don't know that that behooves you as Joe Biden to attempt that.

But I feel like you could do, no matter what you name, you could do that if you're Joe Biden because of how shitty Trump is. One of the things that Trump eras flipped my brain around about is, like, I used to think it was kind of fake and corny how, like, can and rehearse politicians were, trying to play act at being like, like a, like, like, regal, right? it and falsely dignified, and this can stuff they do and say it. But then, like, after five years of him being around, I just wish everyone would pretend to be more adult than they are because it's kind of like, the conspiracy theory stuff,

Biden tweeted a joke about it about a half an hour ago. It's like, here's my earpiece and performance dancing drugs. And it's like his iPod. Yeah, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Here you go. Oh, yeah. We've got it. I'll pull it up for everybody.

right there the top one that's from joe biden yeah yeah he's acknowledging the acknowledging the bullshit and saying i got my got my earpiece and my peds and it's ice cream and air pods so and the wired ones because he's old and old school he's old yeah right of course yeah it's gonna have the actual wired ones in the environment we end it's not a bad response but also it's like can we like this is i saw a tweet a while ago where somebody this campaign worker and i'm like i'm not trying to make funny him too much. It's more about the environment, but he was like, I just reminded me of two occasions when Elizabeth Warren got off stage and got to tell her she had, um, that the man she was debating, they had changed his Wikipedia page to say she was his cause of death. And it was like,

I was like, that's shit you do, that's shit NBA Twitter does when somebody gets into another planet. As they'll say, murder, date of death, um, whatever date you play happened on. It's like, this is, this is trying to run the free world. Can you pretend to be better than us? Yes. We're just dumbies on the internet. So I've seen this comment over here that I feel like is relevant to what you just said. Lucky Dan said, what plays for me is if Trump says some personal shit about Biden's family and Joe snaps and says, you worthless motherfucker. That would also play for me, Dan.

I would love that. That would hit for me so hard if that exact thing happened. But like, I acknowledge the fact that, you know, you probably can't do that. I mean, right, righteous anger, but maybe not those exact language, but that's probably what I would deal with his righteous anger about, like, to try to, to come from the angle of what I was just saying about, can we just pretend like this matters instead of acting like it doesn't all the time, that there were, there were adults trying to debate over who should have the nuclear codes, and you're going to make a joke about my dead son or, or Hunter Biden's cocaine problem?

You know, it's just, that's probably what I would do, like, do I have you no decency kind of moment, although you can't use that because it's very famous. No, I know, dude. You know, like, there are so many reasons that I personally would be horrific at actual politics. But, like, I'm not going to lie. I've got, my boys are little. I got little kids. They're seven and eight years old.

But, dude, I'm going to tell you right now. I don't care if we're on CNN or whatever. Some motherfucker insults my deceased child. I don't care if it was 30 years ago. Like, I'm swinging on him, Mark. I don't get a fuck. Like I couldn't like That probably would

I mean that's probably That's probably what What I would do And you can't rehearse it Because it'll seem totally fake But it'd be like If you If you if you

Keep my Late son's name out of your mouth Or I'm coming across the page Especially since he was a veteran He fought in wars You know he served the country Like dude fuck that If Trump brings

Bo up at all Just go off Joe as far as I'm concerned And I'm sure he won't I'm sure he'll have a more measured response, but I'm saying, like, I don't know how you could even do that. I wonder,

how would that happen if, like, if the two of them went out to fight, like the Secret Service factions face off against each other, or does what? Is it like a Royal Rumble? Yeah. Yeah, but that's what it'd be is like,

like one of us, like, say one more word and I'm coming across the stage and Secret Service better bring everybody because it's, you got to bring your whole crew. Yeah. Bring your whole crew, dog. keep my son's name out your mouth or bring your whole crew. Like, that's what I want to see.

But, all right, so we had also planned, we don't want to go the full time tonight because we don't want to take it right up until the start of the debate. We're going to end five or ten minutes early. So with that in mind, we have to move on to the other major stories since our last episode and at least get some of that in. Trump's taxes.

Everybody's aware by now. New York Times. out of bombshell. Trump's tax returns turns out he doesn't pay taxes. He paid $750 in taxes two years in a row but other than that the like last

13 out of 15 years other than those two years he paid zero dollars in taxes and so so much other shit too that's damning about this report from his tax returns which like it's not surprising he you know there's a

reason he went out of his way to keep this from going public. But at the same time, having said that, this is just another one of those things. And I'm not happy that I feel this way. I'm upset with myself for feeling this way. But this is another one of those things where Trump is concerned where I'm like, well, okay, what is going to come of this? Because we knew the people who give a shit, we've known that he really wasn't a good businessman, that he's fucked a lot of things of. that he was in Russia's pocket and he's deeply in debt and that I mean

hell man in the last debates he literally said Hillary pointed out like yeah he you know he skirts the rules and avoids paying income taxes and he said at the debates out loud yeah that makes me smart and that hit for them so like

when you consider all that I hate being cynical about it but I just don't know what we are supposed to expect to come from this. Like, it's horrific, but all the ads are completely expected. The ads are going to be brutal. I mean, like, look, you got to get to put Trump, people are going to vote for Trump or consider voting for Trump in a bunch of different baskets. The hardcore mega people are like 10, 15% of people somewhere around there. And then you got a bunch of people who are like, well, you know, the courts and I'm pro life. And you got other people who are just like, well, he cut my taxes. But like literally nobody. And we like, you and you and I and the people watching this are all pretty politically. plugged in, right? We like following this stuff and talking about it. But most voters aren't,

and they don't think about this stuff because they'd just rather think about other stuff. They'd rather watch football or TV or play with their kids or do healthy stuff. So, like, those people, like, if you work a regular job and you make, you know, say, a 45 grand a year and you pay 20 that in taxes and this guy has made claims to have made billions and he's paying $750 in the year he got elected and wouldn't release his tax returns, that's going to make me think less of him. I don't care what other stuff is going to, it's going to play, it's going to hurt if they can forget a way to get the news to people. Do you think it will?

Because I hear where you're coming from, and I know the Biden campaign does too, because they already altered the campaign website to have a Trump tax calculator where you go on there and you put in your income and where you live or whatnot, and it generates the amount of money that you have paid in income taxes compared to Donald Trump. And of course, it's hugely damning pretty much no matter who you are or where you are. But first of all, like Trump voters ain't going to Biden's website. But also, like, I hear what you're saying. But in my mind, I just think about it like there's a million reasons why those people should be more engaged by Joe Biden than by Donald Trump.

Or by almost anyone than by Donald Trump. know what I mean? Like Donald Trump is, and we talked about it on here before, I've been fucking spewing this shit since before the 2016 election, but it's true. Like, Donald Trump is the antithesis of a person that I would have thought my papal's buddies would be enamored by. He's a fucking blue blood, silver spoon, Yankee carpetbagger, asshole who thinks he's smarter than everybody else, thinks he's better than everybody else, and needs his ass-wuffed, right? Like, that's, been true since the beginning. Yeah. And he still, he still convinced them.

Not all, but he convinced a lot of them. He convinced enough of them, despite that fact. And like, I just, it's hard for me to see how this is going to change any of that for those people, for the relevant people. Like, you think this will make a difference? Like I said, it's hard of you put in my mind, put myself inside the mind of anyone who's still undecided but they but this the stuff is like this is this is very basic like we've gotten lost in the weed like let's let's talk about the actual um but uh we're we're doing a bird's eye level analysis of it but it's like i don't know not hypothesize this stuff but like the actual stuff in there is fascinating and like i don't think people you're incorporated

right tray incorporated yeah yeah i've got an LLC yeah yeah so even if somebody who follows this stuff closely before i before i incorporated is an infinite contractor. Like, like, I didn't really understand the different, the differences in tax codes. And it was still shocking to me,

like, like, like the differences in, like, in how stuff's ranked and what you're allowed to get away with. I've never gotten away with paying a little $7.50. And I don't make a billion dollars. Right.

It's, like, this is, this, it's, it's, I just don't think people understand what, when,

when they say corporations are people, what they mean and what, what it means your bottom line. Like, like, if we could ground this stuff in reality, where what taxes aren't just, an abstract pile of money you get to nobody taxes pay for roads and schools and hospitals and

medicine right and the army and the navy and the air force and space force and all this shit it's not just it's not just an abstract thing if trump's not paying taxes and we are we're paying to contribute for the roads he drives on he's not chipping his fair share right that's the we we got to get back to ground this in some sort of reality is he's robbing from the rest of us and it's not just him right but i feel like i feel like there's this general mental mental on the right where it's like what, you know, it's almost like a football mentality

where it's like, yeah, you got to cheat to win, buddy, you know what I'm like, like whatever you can get away with is fine. Do you know what I mean? Like you, like if you can exploit the system appropriately and find the right loopholes and still stay technically

legal, then like, good for you. But this isn't my, this isn't my own point. I saw this in a Vox article about, this but I thought it was a good point. But those same people like car thieves, grand theft auto, only like 13% of grand theft auto cases in this country are ever solved.

So 87% of people who steal cars, of grand theft auto cases, 87% of them get away with it. And I guarantee you that the people who have this sort of mentality of like, yeah, well, you know, the rules are the rules, you find a way to skirt them,

good for you. That makes you smart. Would not agree when it comes to car thieves. You know what I mean? Like, oh, you can do it. It's possible. It's very, very possible if you know what you're doing. So fuck it. Go for it. They don't feel that same way

about stealing people's cars or whatever. For some reason, like, captains of industry, I don't know if it's because of this mentality people have of like, oh, they're all, they're fucking, they're smart. They're smart. They're successful. That's how it works. You know, I don't know because of that, perception or what, but it just, it doesn't carry over.

I would hope this would dispel that myth, considering who's put, but like white collar fraud is like, it's just lying on a form. It's not some high level of crime. Right. What Trump was doing, the fraud part of it. And like, we'll come back to a second, the rules in a second because like, he wasn't just doing what was legal. He's got like, we know, they've already been records out of he, like, he will tell the banks

a property's worth three X until the government of property is worth X when it comes time to tax it. both those things can't be true. He's defrauding one party, right? So somebody has caused to charge him with a crime. So that's what the rules are. But we just put white-collar crime in a totally different category of the crowns. Like if I robbing a lady for a purse, I'm going to jail.

But if I trick her into sending a reverse mortgage and give her less than her house, whereas that's just capital. And the thing about the rules and elections is elections are about what we're going to set the rules as. So if you want the rules to change, you can vote from the to change, and we can change the rules to where even the stuff Trump did that was legal is now cheating. We can make it cheating. Just like the NFL Rules Committee can decide that you can't lead with your head, right? We can do that.

We can, we can, we can, we can, we can, we can, we can do that. Tablets from, from, from the Moses brought down from a mountain. We could be like, actually that loophole that allows you to roll all real estate holdings over into more property and take those, take everything as a loss. That would claim anything as capital gains. We're getting rid of that. It doesn't count anymore. Sorry, bud.

You got to pay taxes on the money that we know you made even if you're trying to take us a pay for loss. And the other thing about this, like we should point out, is we're talking about it all this like, yeah, just because it was legal and all that doesn't mean it's okay. We should also point out, like some of it appears to have not even been legal. Like even with these loopholes and the suspect regulations that we have. Like there are still things in there that seem to indicate. fraud criminal activity.

Namely, him paying Ivanka for consulting services, you know, and then writing those off when it appears it's just like he just handed her that amount of money, you know, like by any interpretation of the law,

that's illegal. And he did that. There's a, this is stuff he was doing with this, one of his golf courses where he was, um, dumping money into it, not doing any actual capital improved,

and it's not building more buildings or anything, but claiming the value inflated by the amount of money he was saying he was improving it as, but nobody knows where the money went. And it's just like it looks like textbook money laundering, that he was falling the money through something and inflating his own property values. And it's like it's a lot of stuff that forensic accounts

are going to have a lot of fun for the next half decade digging into if he doesn't get reelected. Because even the legal stuff, He's one, this editor for Forbes tried to do an analysis of his taxes. It looks like he's $1.1 billion in debt and has about $100 million cash on hand and all that debt's coming due in the next two, three years. And he won't be able to pay for it. So we're looking at like Deutsche Bank, who's also shady as hell, trying to foreclose on the

president of the United States. It gets reelected or probably deciding not to. It's not worth the hassle, which is, you know, another level of it. But, well, also, why don't, Mark, why don't you talk about the, the rush Russia gate part of this. Like I feel like this came out kind of just sort of confirms the simplest interpretation of Russia gate, which is just basically that he's in a shitload of debt.

It's a money laundering operation through Russia. And he's, you know, he's in the pocket of these oligarchs or whatever. Yeah, I mean, like the direct connections. You can't really tell who that, like, so Deutsch Bank is like, heavily in business with a lot of Russian hog arcs. And, like, Trump was doing stuff with Doish,

where three or four different wings of Doish were loaning in money at the same time, and he would, like, the loan would call in, he'd go to another different division of Doish to pay a pack, which doesn't make any sense. But no one, there's somebody clear where all the money's coming from. And, like, this part, like, people treated Russiagate

like he was like, like, like, a, what do you call it, the Manchurian candidate type shit. Right, like a movie, like a, yeah, like a, like a, like a Christopher Nolan movie or something. With some, yeah, it's all nefarious, shadowy, hard to understand, you know, subtext when really it's pretty simple, right?

It's run-of-the-mill garden variety, tax evasion, and money laundering that all the global financial elites are engaged in constantly. And so that, this, I think, should be understanding how to ground it back in reality in a way we can actually, like, fight back again and stop. We should be like, no, past higher money laundering laws. even if it costs rich people some money. And staff, the thing about the whole defund the police thing is like,

rich people defunded their police. The IRS had like $12 to run their yearly budget on. Right. They did the most heavily audited county in America is a poor black county in Mississippi, which doesn't make any fucking sense. The five counties that are the most heavily audited in all of America are all black,

rural deep south counties. How the fuck does that make any sense? Spending $10 to recoup 50 cents if it sounds like to me. When you could grab one rich person and go through their books and find hundreds of millions of dollars and probably a day.

Again, they'll never go to jail for any of this stuff. It's just like it's just paying the taxes, you know, and penalties. Right, well, sort of on that note, another sort of, I guess, like, of the New York Times story with Trump's taxes had to do with this idea that when he is not shrouded in the privileges of the American presidency, the office of the American presidency, he's actually in deep shit in a lot of different ways. You know, like he's in like criminal jeopardy as long as he's not in the White House. And I'm not going to lie.

I just, again, the cynicism or whatever, I would be stunned if a former, even Donald Trump, even in our current reality that we live in, any former American president gets like actually is held responsible for all of their crimes and misgivings. Like Donald Trump being on trial and being shackled and all this shit, like I just, I can't see that ever happening. No, I mean, I can't think it's like we just don't have any appetite for us getting white-collar offenders, even we'd all enjoy it. And this is like, dude, so it's really hard to make sense to this political moment because Trump's coalition that kind of doesn't make any sense. But one analysis of it I remember seeing right after the election was like America's never had a purely authoritarian party. The authoritarian have been spread out among the parties depending on like who you wanted to see punished, right? Obama didn't punish anybody. Like nobody.

body. Wall Street got off. Forbter's got off. Trump ran, here at the 2016 campaign, Trump ran against Wall Street, he ran against the Iraq war, along with normal right-wing authoritarian stuff. You basically grabbed everybody who wanted to see someone punished

for the miseries we're all suffering and put them all in one place. And that enough with the hardcore Republicans was enough to get him over the line. But that explains your Obama Trump voters to me. It's just, you know, Trump's saying he's going to, Hillary's too close to Wall Street, he's going to put some bankers in jail?

Yeah. Hell yeah. You know? And I would have agreed with him if I believed him. But it's like, it's a whole not. Right. Yeah.

Well, that right there, what you just said, I would have agreed with him if I believed him. Yeah. That's how I felt about the Trump people in my hometown and all the towns like it the whole time. Because like,

I can sympathize with the root of where they were coming from. You know, my hometown was propped up by a single. factory that went away because of NAFTA in the mid-90s and that's the same time that the pills showed up and that just devastated our community ever since for you know multiple decades right up until this point and I understand them being desperate and upset and like you just said if I believed him I would understand but my thing the whole time is how the fuck do you believe the shit he's saying Like, I get how it appeals to you, but you got to know that he's full of shit, man.

But, all right, so, all right, look, because I do want to go to at least a few comments here before we get done. But we also, Mark and I don't know if we're going to be able to make this a recurring theme in 2020 America, but we wanted to end on a little bit, but we wanted to end before going to the comments on a little bit of an upbeat note. and it's that mailmen are trying to save us all right so tell us about it Mark they're working for us out there so uh we were talking about before

how Lewis DeJoy the postmaster general passed all these rules that look like they're slowing the mail down which is evil for a lot of reasons people get their medicines their paychecks in mail for one for one but also it's a little bit of election rigging to make people to reduce the count chance of people's ballots being counted and reduce their faith in the process

But in response to that, our boys in blue, the mailman, have started doing stuff like saying they're dismantling mail-insorting machines when they, in fact, didn't. They're digging through mail when they run out of time because one of the changes was like they got to leave at a strictly point of times, even if the trucks aren't loaded. So they're going through the mail to find people's prescriptions and important documents and making them priority and staying a little late and lying on their forms about. what time they left the shop to make sure that people get their important stuff and they're working overtime to get the mail delivered even though they're not getting paid for it um right so um yeah i just want to say if uh any guys work at the postal service you rock and uh it's it's a little uh what did john look at good trouble yeah i'm like this is anecdotal and i'm sure there's plenty of postal service workers who are just as cynical as any industry who are you like yeah this is just my job and

fuck this job. But legitimately, in my experience, because my best friend from growing up, his mama carried the male. And another one of my good friends, his daddy carried the male. And I feel like, I don't know, I feel like there's a certain pride that people that carry the male have. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like they, that's a job where, like, they take their obligation seriously.

You know what I mean? And they take pride in what the male represents, you know? fucking rain nor sleep nor shine whatever like they'll be there and i think that matters to a lot of to a lot of postal workers it's the way they were it's the one thing in america that makes us all equal and connected you know right and uh also like we like a group pretty rural uh too and like our mailman um i remember uh this girl was dating in college just coming to visit one time and she asked and gave her directions which country directions are you go over the bridge there's a river and then you up to get the top of the hill is it right and then

she goes, oh, what numbers on your house? And I was like, well, there's no number on my house. It's the only house. Numbers are for commies. Yeah. There's a couple flags on my house. We got no numbers, though. Yeah, it's got, look for the three dogs on the porch.

That's the number. And she goes, well, how does the mailman know how to find your house? I'm like, the mailman knows where we live. His name's named to Jim. Right. Yeah. So, like, my first name, I was named for my uncle who lived. across the road.

My first name is Raymond. His name is Raymond. Sometimes he gave him a mail on some of his vice versa, but for the most part, the mailman figured out which Raymond got which mail, even though it was based the same address.

Right. It's just like these people, there are the five of the whole community is the other. No, they are. There's this like, there's this kind of Norman Rockwelly neighborhood stalwart mythos

about the male man or the male woman. You know what I mean? And I, and like, you know, they are aware of that too and I'm sure they don't take it lightly you know what I mean like we talked about before nobody it's crazy that the mole has gotten politicized because nobody hates the male person you know like dogs except dogs dogs do hate the male person yes but human people

like the male they like the male person and it's been a thing for a long time and I don't know I'm just, I'm encouraged to see them standing up for themselves, you know, because they've been heroes, Mark, and they still are heroes. All right. So let's get a few minutes over here. We are going to end a little early for sure, because like I said, I don't want to run right up against the debate. Let's see here. Kevin Kay says, this is the truth. Humpty is desperate to hide from the world.

I don't know for sure who that means. him Donald Trump, but I don't know. How about the guest house writer on YouTube says they check on the elderly talking about the mailman and yeah, you're right.

Like I said, they like, they serve a purpose that's very much taken for granted, you know? But everybody relies on them. We've been torn apart so much to like the basic things that a government that a government does just to have a society. We treat that like it's,

like not a thing government should be doing when it's like no it's like since we got together in little villages and formed community councils to figure out who was in charge of what who was going to take the shift guarding at night to get the wolves out whatever it's like we've assigned duties to people because we're trying to survive as some sort of collective now what degree of collective is what politics is about but in general we are a country right it's why we have one army to fight against other armies and it's like we've forgotten that in any context outside of war it's very disheartening and it's nice to see one part of government Push back.

Yeah. Yep. From YouTube, Gamefire 74 says, this isn't going to just be a shit show. It's going to be a shit festival. And I'm assuming they're talking about the debate that's about to start here in 15 minutes. And, you know, I mean, I'm inclined to agree with you,

Gamefire 74. But what hasn't been a shit festival this year? You know what I mean? Let's just, let's see how it goes. YouTube, we the people for, Trump. Oh, he's back. Our buddy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our buddy says Trump is going to kill Biden. Well, let's see. And it's why I'll say, like, I guarantee you, guarantee you 100% no matter what actually happens in 14 minutes now, you will believe afterwards that Trump killed Biden. So I don't know, I don't know what to say. We need people for Trump. I want to thank you for watching every show.

And, like, I'm a little worried about you, though. This is how you choose to spend your time. We'll go walk your dog, man. Meet a girl. Yeah. Fran Wilson says, let's face it, the bar is set low for 2020. I agree with you. You're right.

I think that is accurate. But, again, look at the reality that exists in 2020. And everything that's happened. Good Lord. could the bar not be low? Like, I'm with you. And it don't, it don't hit that we found ourselves at this place. But, like, it is what it is.

The bar's fucking low right now. Marlesena in Texas says Trump is going to own himself. He's not self-aware. Okay, A, I agree with you. He will. He will own himself multiple times. But, B, will not matter.

Yeah, I mean, I don't, uh, it'll be how Biden responds to it, right? So the Trump will say something real dumb and, uh, Biden will, uh, you know, handle it well and then it'll give game over moment or Biden will go to his level and it'll be like the shit show, you know, that we talked about earlier. Bob Lloyd says, yay, we're all bozos on this bus. You got damn right, Bob. Hard to argue with at this point. We are, we are a, uh,

a Republic of Bozos. Can't argue with it. I pledge allegiance. Leslie Pavelko says the moderator matters. So the moderator is Chris Wallace, right? Yeah. From Fox News, who doesn't have the best history with Trump. Trump's went after his dad, Mike Wallace, multiple times and whatnot.

And Wallace himself said about the debate. If no one ever mentions my name. in the recaps. If no one ever says a word about me, that will mean that I succeeded because the moderate would be important in a debate. And superficially, I agree with that, but I don't believe he actually feels that way at all. I'm sure he's going to come through and try to make his mark. Well, I mean, like, to me, that's him preemptily depending himself because he already announced he won't do any fact checking. So when he, when he asked a question, question about education policy and Trump starts talking about Hunter Biden, China.

He is not, they're going to tell them what he said was wrong or B, say, sir, you didn't answer the question, right? So I think what he's doing is primitive ass covering for failing in that way and being like, that's not my role. It is your role. You're a moderator. You're supposed to moderate it. Probably shouldn't do this, but I'm going to share our first overtly racist comment, or well, probably not his first one I was saying. Stacy T. says only white man ever made me moist. All right.

Well, I think she's saying, I think she's saying, I think she's saying, I think she's saying the only white man who ever made me. Either you, either you or Biden is the only white man's ever made her horny. I mean, Trump. I apologize, Stacey. Yeah. See, it's what's, context is important. You can just throw shit out there like I just did.

That's right. I guess, I guess, I know, I got to be more careful than that, man. I can't just do that. You're right. Cool ant 516 says the bar is so low, an ant couldn't crawl underneath it. And again, I don't disagree with you, but it's just where we're at.

It just is what it is, you know? And so let's try. We are at rock. Well, I don't know. I don't want to jinx it. No, we can go down. But, yeah, like, we could go further down. And we will probably.

But we're at such a fucking low point. Any movement upward, I'll take it. You know, I will. They just announced the big ice crackdowns that lead up to the election. And sanctuary cities, which I guess is like they think because Democrats are going to use illegals to still the election. So they got to, they're really high on their own supply.

I'm going to give my own conspiracy theory about myself here. Christy from YouTube says, I shared Tray's video about Trump hating poor white people, parentheses, which is everyone in my family who supports that dumbass, close parentheses, on Facebook. And I guess Zuckerberg hates him because it got flagged. You know what? I've been thinking for a while that I'm getting flagged,

that my numbers are artificially low. People are dragging me down. It's happening, Mark. I can tell it. Now, the only time I've ever literally thought this was true was, I don't know, people can't even remember now because of how many terrible things that have happened in the interim. But a couple years ago, uh, the EPA, the EPA director that Trump had appointed said some awful shit and got replaced or whatever. And I made a, I made a bunch of posts and stuff talking about how I hoped that that EPA guy got raped by a tree like the, uh, like the, like the girl in evil dead.

Like how that was, that was really fucked up to get. raped by a tree, but how it would be funny if it happened to this guy or whatever. And across all the different social platforms, it got taken down without any kind of message to me or whatever. It just got erased from the, it got erased from all of them, Mark. And that's, I'm telling you, they're out to get me, man. I can tell it. And now we got Christy coming through talking about my last video.

I got a target on my back. It was a rape threat, Trey, because we all know how you control trees. so I could see all right Mark Goodman says Trump can't talk at the level of intelligence of an ape, let alone Biden. So

this is what I've been saying about the idea of them debating the whole time. Like I they've been putting this whole thing about Sleepy Joe. Joe Biden is gaff prone, whatever he is. I acknowledge that. But my whole thing,

And also, like we talked about earlier, the debates don't actually impact much of anything. And that's all true. But my whole thing the whole time has been, if you can't square up with this motherfucker in a war of the words, then what are we doing here? Like, you got, you have to take this invitation and step into the ring

and do what you can do, you know? like I I mean like you think see this is what we're going around and round about because we're operating two different universes I think you think there's like a fair scoring metric with it like these are all these things are all judged on style and some people like a style man dude I might I might wake up tomorrow morning with my foot in my mouth but I am so insanely confident it's going to be that Joe Biden will handle Donald

Trump easily tonight. And I'm not talking about what Fox News is going to say. They're going to act like Trump wins no matter what. But for everyone outside of the MAGA community, we're all going to see Biden

deal with his ass with no issues at all. I'm firmly confident of that. It's not that I disagree with you that people watch the debate and think that Biden won it. I'm saying like the post-debat polling will say,

It's 65 to 35. People think Biden had a better debate performance. And the actual votes, the move will be zero. Yeah, well, I don't know. We'll see what happens. And I guess we'll all see what happens because we've already went longer. And I meant to we're T minus six minutes until this goes down. So let's all go watch it.

I'm very excited. Yeah, you guys. You can tell how excited smart market is. This is a great moment for our democracy. Yeah. And no matter what. top of their game. No matter what happens, you guys meet us back here in 48 hours on Thursday, and we'll break

it all down on the evening skews. So we'll see y'all then. Thank you very much for joining us on this early edition. We love you. See you by. Well, hello, everyone. Welcome back, and happy October to you all. It's the first of the months.

And I'm Trey Crowder, and that's Mark Aegee. What's up, Mark? What's up, Trey? I want to say the proud boys shouldn't shoot people. just straightforward. See how easy? See how easy that is to just say right out the gate? Not that difficult, right?

Welcome back, everybody. This is evening skews. We're coming at you at Five Pacific, Eight Eastern for the second show in a row. As you know, we moved Tuesday's episode up an hour because of the debate. But then it just went so well. We got such a good response to it. People seemed to respond positively. We thought we'd stick with the hot hand, you know, stick with what works.

If it ain't broke, don't break it. So for now, we're going with Five Pacific, Eight Eastern. And if that shit don't work out, no worries. We'll go right back to the other thing. It's easy to do. We make all the rules here. And who knows? Because Lord knows, I have been wrong before.

And on that note, we move to today's dumbass report. Tonight's honorary, I'm sad to say, is none other than your own intrepid host. Yours truly. Me, myself, and I. Trade Crowder. I am the daily dumbass. Look, it was only a matter of time, Mark. I'm surprised it took me this long.

to get the nod as the daily dumbass. Now, here's why, and you know, look, how much time you got? I name a million different reasons. But specifically in the context of this episode today, it has to do with that debacle we all witnessed Tuesday night, the first presidential debate. If you've been following the show for a while, or hell even if you watched it on Tuesday,

you know that I have been very, had been very, very vocal and emphatic about my opinion that Joe Biden had no choice but to debacle. debate Donald Trump. I was very in favor of it. My whole rationale was if you're afraid to match, if you think you can't match wits with this guy, then you shouldn't be in the White House. You can't back down from that. You have to do it. I said it on our show multiple times. I said it on fucking Bill Maher when I was on there. And I did believe it. But less probably not even 10, five, 10 minutes into the debate Tuesday night, I realized how wrong and how dumb I had been. It was like that scene from Rest of Development when Jason Bateman gets that bag out of the fridge that says,

a dead dove inside, do not eat, and he opens it up, and there's a dead bird in there, and he goes, I don't know what I expected. That's how I was feeling about myself in the debate Tuesday night. I don't know what I thought was going to happen, because of course it makes sense that it played out exactly the way that it did. But, yeah, I was just wrong. There's nothing to be gained by engaging in that. I don't know what the fuck I was thinking. It was dumb of me, but we were all subject to it, Mark, and how do you feel about it? I don't see.

Here's the thing. I'm going to eat shit on this one, too, because I'm also the daily dumbass because let's meet in the middle here because while it turns out because it appears to help Biden in the polls somehow to have this shit meet out of him by this bully for an hour and a half. But you might be a dumbass for watching it. I turned it off after like 15 minutes because like that is not, nothing good can come of this. My wife's blood pressure was upside that her,

her Apple Watch asked her if she was in the middle of a workout. So I had to turn it off. There was no, you didn't have any kind of train wreck element to it. I mean, a lot of people, you know, made the train wreck analogy,

but sort of like I'm, this is horrific, but I cannot turn away from this. Like you didn't have any of that going on. Well, I have like, like people talking over each other like does a visceral thing. It's like,

it's like a thing from, like arguing with alcoholic relatives when I was a kid. So like I can't like that kind of interaction just like it's like you can't hear anything. Nothing's happening anyway. So like I figured if anything eventful happened, I would see a thousand clips of it on social media and it'd be in the news. If anything meaningful happens. So that's what I watch. But here's what you you're probably, since it helped him, you're probably right he should have done it.

So I was wrong there that nothing, it wouldn't move the post. polls. That's what I'm a dumbass about because the first post-election poll shows him up 13 instead it was up three points. 13 instead of 10. They had him at last time. But that has to be primarily about the response to Trump, right, as opposed to him because I thought, and look, I'm prefaces by saying, I don't blame him. I don't know what any human being could do very much better in that same position. But I didn't feel like Biden, you know, did all that great of a job on his own. I I mean, again, like I said, I understand it, given what he was dealing with. But I don't feel like he was out there crushing it.

It was just that Trump was making such a fucking mockery of everything and embarrassing every American at once. Well, that's not true. Not all, plenty of them were fucking standing and cheering, I'm sure. But anyway, the bump in the polls has to be more of a reaction to a negative reaction to Trump, right? They may, like, rat behind Biden. But, I mean, whatever. It works out the same way either way. If you're a normie, one thing to remember is like you get your news about what Trump said,

filtered through the news, which edits him to, because like, okay, I used to be a reporter, right? It's basically considered unfair to write that exactly how someone talks. You do clean it up some because if you put in everyone's ums and their sentence fragments and whatever, it makes everyone look like a moron. So people are in the habit of cleaning stuff up a little bit, but he gets cleaned up a lot. And reporters were handholding through stuff with he'll say something. insane they'll be like sure you sir are you saying this what do you mean by that and what after they lead him to something it doesn't sound quite as insane and dangerous that's what ends up

the newspaper and also if you see clips edited from the press conferences but to watch him speak unfiltered for an hour and a half and just be a maniac um i don't think people see that version them very often unless you watch his rallies and even even like the rallies the the reporters are covering would tell you that um people rush in and they're happy to be there and there's like a party atmosphere at the beginning but once he starts talking they gradually trickle out because the speeches themselves are really boring and they've already heard the greatest hits a million times. And I'm sure also for like you said, like normies, you know, people that are just like middle of the road politically speaking, I'm sure a good chunk of them had that same reaction that you were talking

about, that like visceral reaction to like put aside the context that it's a presidential debate. Just any person repeatedly like yelling over someone else talking and interrupting them to that degree, you know what I mean? Like makes a lot of people recoil, I think. Like, you know, they want to say like Joe Biden did. Like, will you just, will you please just shut up? Like, it's annoying to even listen to outside of even the context of what is being said. Yeah. But, of course, he thinks he killed it, you know.

Like, he's very pleased with the results. Another thing. Yeah, I mean, all the behind the scenes reports were like he did great. People who work around and were afraid to tell them that it didn't go poorly. But they didn't even like, even the first snap hole showed it basically. It was like 55, 45, 45, but then the next day stopped like 70, 70, 30. Because it's like, people don't like uncouthness, rudeness. They just don't like it.

And people will tolerate all kinds of stuff. Like, even within the confines of our political system, we value civility over anything. Like, the Senate will debate carpet bombing another country and killing a million people, and they will do it in the guise of my friend from South Carolina. the gentleman from so-and-so. It's like, in my mind, it's upside down. I'd rather people call each other motherfuckers and not kill so many people. But this is a system we have.

And people used to see politicians be very polite. And here you've got a guy, you know, just being objectively dumbass, insisting on talking more, even though he's saying shit that people hate. I mean, like, they're refusing to get down white supremacists, and we're never going to get there in a few minutes. But, like, even racists don't consider themselves racist. They don't like to be called racist. They consider themselves not politically correct.

that's what they liked about Trump. But Trump's refusing to condemn, like, there are groups of people that we all have agreed are racist and bad. Nazis are one of them, right? Right. KKK is one of them. Those are two groups you cannot be associated with. There's another one. Child molesters, right?

We talked before on the show about Galane Maxwell or whatever, how he also refuses to condemn her actions too. Like he, like, and these are things, child molesters, fucking racist, Nazis, whatever. It should not be difficult for anyone. I don't care if you're lying about it. Like even someone who is a Nazi, if you're on TV, like, you know, and you want to hide the fact that you're a Nazi, it should still be easy for any person to condemn those types of actions or beliefs or whatever.

It is fucking insane that the president of the United States, like, just will not do it. And, like, do you think it? it's more about like, I mean, I think Trump is fucking racist. I think like at this point, like, he is. He's been, but to be racist. Do you think it's more about better? Do you think it's more about him just straight up refusing

to like admit any kind of shortcoming or wrongdoing or anything? Like, he values people adoring him more than anything else. This group of people they adore him. And so he will not no matter what

imply that they are incorrect. about anything in any way. Do you know what I mean? Like, do you think that dad is what's going on? Like, he just can't back down, for lack of a better way to put it? First, like, it's not, you don't have to just say you think he's racist.

He's been, like, found to be guilty of racial discrimination by that justice department. When he was a landlord a bunch of times and, like, sued for it and say, it's not, like, this isn't, you don't have to just listen to behind the scene stories from, like, people that turned on him about the stuff he says behind people's backs.

You can just look at the, like literally the way he practiced business. Like, he's been quoted, like, I like Jews to handle my money, but he won't leave, but he would never have black accountant,

a shit like that. He's an old school, he's Archie Bunker, man. He's a, he's a, he's a, old 70s,

a five-year-old white dude from Queens. Right. Who was a slum lord. But to your other question about, about why, like, how he answered, like,

he does have a certain political wisdom here, like these stubbornness, more politicians should not agree with the premise of a question they're asked, because a lot of, they do get a lot of bullshit stuff. Like, like, somehow, like, every Democratic politician is called on to, like, denounce looting. Like, otherwise, if you don't denounce it, you're in favor of it. Whereas, yeah, people, I think smashing store windows is, like, down the list of the problems we have in society right now. but if we have to say it, I'm like,

don't smash people's window and take their shit. There's small businesses that's trying to get. Right. Yeah. But it's like, people do that shit all the time. Like, if he wanted to do that,

he could have just said, he could just say, I dispute the premise your question because I don't see the proud boys racist and hear why. Proud boys would tell you they're not a racist, but all you got to do is like go on their forums. Or in my case, make fun of them on Twitter and have a bunch of anti-Semitic

memes tweeted out you about putting Jews and ovens because they think I'm Jewish for some reason. Okay. But, I mean, if I'm wrong, it's all such a blur. But the way that, like, actually played out in real time, if I'm not mistaken, was that to begin with, he was just asked to denounce white supremacist and white supremacy. And then he was like, give me an example. I don't even, I never even heard of that. I don't even know what you're talking about.

And then the proud boys were named. And that's when he said what he said about stand back and standby, let law enforcement do their job, really, the liberals or the villains. I'm saying. Like, I hear what you're saying, but that initial, that's not a trap question, man, for the president of the United States. Can you denounce white supremacy? No, it should be easy. It did not work for him there. I'm just saying in general he does what I think is a good move. A lot of policy. And they're like a younger generation politicians do it all the time. They just don't do interviews and media who suck. They just talk straight on their Instagram. So they still get taken out of context. I mean, holy shit, during the, during the debate, Trump did and again announce that the Green New Deal is about getting rid of cows, which is like, yeah, right, yeah. The liberals are coming for the cows. Yeah.

Ocasia Cortez made a Twitter joke about how they're going to get rid of cows and airplanes. It's like the next step of the Green New Deal. She flies, people. We all, like, nobody wants to get rid of airplanes. We should make, you know, air travel less necessary by having high speed rails and stuff. So, you know, but, but like, nobody was to, how do you get rid of cows work? It's like, A2C is going to go around euthanasin cows. I don't even, I don't understand how it work.

But that's what I'm saying is that you can, in a modern, a permanent sci war where information war always in. You, like, you probably shouldn't great the premise of questions. But yes, this was a layup. You could just say, yeah, I'm against Nazis. Next question. You know, the layup of all layups. So.

And also, like, here's the thing, like, racist. racist hate groups are used to people disavowing them and they still vote for them because they vote strategically. They know their homes in the Republican Party, even the Republican Party can't be seen with them. So there's no downside,

but they think they're very... Due to all those groups, to the Ku Klux Klan or whatever, their whole mentality about all of that type of thing is always going to be like, he's just saying what he has to say for the cameras. Really, he's got our back, which by the way, they're correct. that's true. But I'm saying like, they look at it that way. You have literally nothing to lose

by denouncing racist or white supremacists. But I don't know what else there even is to say about it. I'm going to tell you another way I was dumb about the debate Tuesday night specifically. I tweeted something about, did you guys know that microphones can actually be cut? That's a thing that can happen. Just, you know, being pithy and sarcastic. But what I wasn't thinking about, the time is that of course like Trump they have to agree to the the parameters of the debate and how it's going to work and I'm very I'm sure one of them is you will not mute the president's mic or either of them basically but it's been brought up since so like that Chris Wallace didn't have that card to play right so that's not fair but you know a lot of people talked about it

afterwards like why can't we need to do something where you could just if you go over your time limit or you interrupt the other candidate you can get your mic cut and it's much a logical common sense move to make, but to no one's surprise, Trump has already come out and said explicitly, he will not agree to any rule changes for the future debates. And his whole thing is, you know, why would I? I crushed. So why would I allow that? But they also talked about the body that sort of governs that thing is the debate commission, the commission on presidential debates and he was talking about that specifically. Well, his campaign, some members of his campaign were talking about the CPD that runs the

debates. And one of them said, Joe Biden is a creature of this city. He's been cozying up to this city's wheelers, dealers, and insiders for the last half century. And lo and behold, that's exactly who runs the debate commission. And another Trump campaign spokesperson went even farther calling the debate commission, quote, permanent swamp monsters. So

seems like they're not not going to make too many moves to, you know. I mean, the idea that we need, I mean, these guys always break the rules, right? Every presidential debate

features a lot of rule breaking, but usually people listen to the monitor or their moderator and they called out for it. But Wallace did some weird shit the other night. Like he presented questions, as Mr. President,

you'll like this one, right? He was when he was said of questions. And he also, like, what time it was, It was Biden's turn to talk, and Trump was interrupted Biden, and Biden was trying to talk over him, and Wallace stopped, interrupted to tell Biden to let the president talk.

And Biden just rightfully, because you never, it's never a good look to complain to the refs. In sports and life, it's like, it's like to complain about, to want about things being unfair, it's not a good look. So he did the right move, and he just shut his mouth and let Trump talk because that seemed that was the best move. But like, there's no mute button in real life debates. Like me and you get an argument on the show.

We were adults with each other talk. You know, but like the mute button would be humiliating for him, as it would be American. Of course it would. Yeah. Absolutely. But it's, to me, it's a thing of like, you got to fucking do something. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know.

People get their mics cut, you know, if you won't. But I mean, I get it. He's the president. There are debate rules agreed upon beforehand. It's not going to happen. But it's just, oh, my God. so frustrating. And I,

there's, another aspect of that is apparently, I guess they're trying to, they're trying to convince Trump, the Republicans, I mean, are trying to convince Trump to cut, to cut back on the interruptions and the over-talking and everything, because

they say letting Joe Biden talk will actually help Donald Trump. So they're trying to like, they're trying to like give him some reverse psychology or something, just in an effort to try to get him to shut the fuck up. because they're like, no, let him talk. You know, he'll say dumb stuff, and that's good for us. Just, but really, always things, please, God, stop this shit.

Ari Fleischer was on, I think, Fox and Friends yesterday morning, which is, you know, the president's best friends. And he was literally holding up a whiteboard. He'd written the three-point plan for the next debate on it. They had three, one-word things. It was like, it was like, one, be more civil. Two, let Biden talk. It was like you would give a child a word of, like an object lesson.

And it was very weird. But today, Kevin Murphy, they're all doing this. Fox News runs the country, right? Because that's where the president gets his information from and he gets his direction from and gets the marching orders. Even though he doesn't think of it that way. So they're all going on there telling him that the good, Chuck Biden sucks so much. I know you killed it talking all the time, but if you just let him talk, America will realize he's stupid, you'll win. You know, it's like that's the way they're trying to handhold him into being a not looking like.

such a giant asshole on television. The next debate is the one where the regular voters ask the questions. Can you imagine... I know. Dude, I know. Yeah, man, absolutely. I'm glad you brought that up. You're right. Because, yeah, that's always a

thing they do in the presidential debates at one point or another. They have actual voters, real-life Americans, who have a chance to question the candidates. And yeah, man, what is he going to fucking say? When some, you know, Muslim lesbian gets up there and asks him a question about his response to the pandemic or whatever the fuck.

Like, if you're on his, if you're on his team, like, you've got to be shitting bricks at the prospect of that specifically after what happened Tuesday night. Yeah, I'm a single mother of two. Relat of my mom for child care. She just died of COVID and like, hokes! You said earlier you were talking about the host of one of the hosts of Fox and friends giving him like tips on air for what to do better next time. And you said it was like the way you would address a child. You reminded me of something just a lighthearted little note, personal note also about the debate. And I'm sure I'm sure a million people tweeted a version of the same thing at the same time.

But at one point early on when Chris Wallace was trying and failing to get them under control, I tweeted. tweeted something like Chris Wallace literally sounds like my seven-year-old teacher trying to get their Zoom under control, right? Which is true. And that got, that, that tweet got quoted in some like aggregate news story. It was like, you know, Twitter reacts to the presidential debate, right? And the way they set it up, though, was they said something like, like right before showing that tweet, they said something like, you know many tweeters pointed out that or compared Chris Wallace to a kindergarten teacher and then they had my tweet and it was just literally no one thought this but I saw this and I was like

just so everybody knows my seven year old is not in kindergarten okay like he's in second grade I know we're from Tennessee we live in California now but like they said like calling it kindergartners and then saying me say seven year old just want everybody know my seven year old's doing just fine He's not still in kindergarten. Yeah. Social promotion, but still, you got there, you know? Yeah. So I don't know about you, but I feel like, to me, the two biggest things that I remember from the debate, as far as Trump goes, like the two biggest shitty things are the proud boys moment that we already talked about.

And then all the stuff about the election. Like, he called, he straight up. called the election fraudulent and rigged and it's five weeks away or whatever like it hasn't even happened yet he's already straight up calling it fraudulent and you know refusing to say he wouldn't question the results saying that he will rely on the Supreme Court to determine it to questioning the integrity of the ballots and all this and it's just setting up and we've talked we've been talking about for weeks everybody has because it's so clear like it's setting up him questioning the results of the election on election night and beyond.

It's basically a virtual certainty at this point, but it goes beyond that. There's a lot of election fuckery going on from the GOP right now, and I'm not going to lie, the shit scares me. Yeah, yeah. I mean, for background, there's not a lot. Like, okay, so a couple different things are going on. Right now our GOP is recruiting 50,000 polls.

monitors. Usually there's a party activists across 15 battle around states. They've already fought a bunch of lawsuits and challenging the rules. In Texas today, the governor announced that every county was going to have one ballot drop off place, which they're

going to be litigation over that because by the way, Harris County where Houston is is like 200 square miles and it's populated by a... Dude, right. Think about Texas. The cities in Texas are every single county can now only have one

drop-off point for mail-in ballots. And like you said, the county that Houston's in, the county that Austin or Dallas is in, one location for fucking cities that size, it's insane, man. I don't know how you could possibly justify that.

And of course, its justification is that it's like, well, we have to be able to monitor the legitimacy of the process, you know, but it's just fucking voter suppression like all this other shit is. But that's fucking, that's, That's crazy, man. Yeah.

Yeah, the poll watching stuff, so just so everybody knows, what changed was there was a, because Republicans had done, we're doing this shit in the early 80s. And Democrats followed a lawsuit being like, hey, what the fuck? This is, this is straight. They're the one side as people there are objecting to every ballot and standing there, annoying voters and double checking people's papers if they're not involved in the system, just like straight up being intimidated or making the process more arduous. and ridiculous.

And so they got what was consent decree, basically forbidding Republicans from doing this shit. It expired in 2017, and when the Democrats tried to apply to get it renewed, Republicans went to lawsuit, because voting rights have just been dialed back by the Republican courts, right?

Like, the St. Roberts Court ended the Voting Rights Act, essentially, the meaningful parts of it anyway, because racism was over. And just like, Dude, I don't know how this, I mean, you explained it. It was illegal, but then that expired, I guess, in 2017. But I don't know how something like this is allowed to go.

I mean, of course, I think that about so many things in our country today. But, like, you think about, like, again, this shit's frightening, man, because you think about, we got a whole thing right now with law enforcement, the police, right? And a thing that gets brought up a lot, because I think it's fair to bring it up is if you're, If you've ever, if you're from a small town where the cops are, you know, omnipresent, or if you just ever had much dealing with the police at all, I think you know that like the job tends to attract a certain type of person. That's not universal across the board, obviously. Can't paint them all with that brush. But there's a certain type of personality that is attracted to that job.

And it's part of the overall problem that we're all having in this country right now that we're, you know, the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, the. this thing we're going through, the debate over law enforcement. And just imagine, imagine the people that are lining up for this particular job. Like, you know, GOP poll monitors, basically. Yeah. And, you know, I know they'll have rules and stuff they have to follow. But I'm just, I'm not comfortable with that shit. There's only one reason why you would even be into doing that, you know, in my opinion.

To me, it reflects one reason we're talking about, we're talking about it's like, I think it reflects poorly on their character and their, and their politics. They think this is an appropriate way to conduct election. I don't know how much is going to matter because of a proud boy standing out in front of my polling place with, you know, a side arm. I'm still going into both. Fuck you. I don't give a shit.

Me too. But I'm not going to blame a, you know, a 45-year-old. single mother or whatever who went there by herself, you know what I mean, for being intimidated by that. But no, I'm with you. I thought the same thing. Like I saw an article earlier. It was like, what to do?

If you're intimidated at the polls, I'm like, I don't know what I'll do by God. You know, fucking getting my red up over it. But yeah. Yeah. The, uh, it was like the, um, but the stuff, what scares me is like, how the simple, the act of voting has become political. I know. Not just like like

when polls open in Virginia you probably saw the viral video of like Trump voters go into protest people voting. How do you know they're not voting for your candidate? There's a voting. I imagine if they're you know black or Hispanic or you know appear to be gay or something like that

then you know maybe they got a turban on then you're probably going to have a good indication that they're not voting for Trump but this isn't Arlington which is like it is pretty pretty you know the northern Virginia which is pretty overwhelmingly way. to this diverse, you have a lot of like,

probably mobile, you know, like, it's a well off suburb, right? So, like, they're just protesting, like, the Act voting. And, like, the Voting Rights Act, which was renewed in the middle of 2000s, the Republican Senate, it was approved 97 to 3 and George W. Bush signed in the law. This stuff didn't used to be controversial.

It just what's, like, so that's what's scary here. It's like 40% of people are fine with the candidate who doesn't want an election. And that's what's fucking scared to me. Right. And it's like, I don't know how those people feel about it. I don't know if most of them like genuinely, they really do believe that liberals are trying to defraud the election or whatever. I don't know.

I'm sure plenty of them really do believe that. I don't know how most of them feel. But like, as far as where it comes down from, the leadership and all that, like, it's just so blatant that they're, that essentially what they're saying is. the more people who are able to vote and do vote, the worse off we are going to be. Like, we have to restrict as many people from voting as we possibly can because the more people that vote, the worse our prospects are. You know, and I don't know how that isn't clear to everyone. But, you know, again, I think that about so many subjects. Like, look, there's another way to win elections.

you could have popular positions. You could try that, right? You could do things people like, but like what they want to do it. We want to do what we want to do unpopular shit and still be in charge of a democracy. It's like that's not how that fucking works. No, but it is though for the Republican Party,

I think, because they've got their like puppet masters, you know. I mean, it's true, man. The people that we were talking recently about that medical marijuana bill in Tennessee that the only reason it had no chance had nothing to do with the people. It was all about the lobbyist and whatnot. like they have people that won't allow them to to have popular policies but they could still get elected

by talking about you know demonizing liberals and talking about guns and abortions and all that type of shit while all of their actual policies benefit three percent of Americans or whatever yeah i mean it's like it's like the way they the way they just will say it out loud and totally give up the game it's like really like interesting to me because whenever it's brought brought up that like you know Puerto Rico and DC should have senators they'd be like well they just want four more number senators so well first of all Puerto Rico has elected Republican cuffs you can you might get two more Republican senators out of Puerto Rico that's a it's perfectly perfect possibility but also like you're saying

that you won't you will probably won't be able to compete in DC because it's heavily heavily black right but what you never ask yourself why you guys can't get black votes when your party nominates a guy who was censured by the Justice Department for not renting departments to black people you did that yourself right so like Why won't the sheep vote for the party to put a wolf in charge? I don't understand. It's not fair. It's like, no, fucker, behave responsibly.

You'll get votes. Yeah. Like, if you, if the Republican Party tomorrow is like, I support Medicaid for all, then, uh, and, uh, you know, police reform. I could, I'd be like, shit, maybe I'll vote. I don't know. It's, uh, yeah, like gerrymandering, you know, whatever. It's like if we, you know, if we're not allowed to carve out the districts in this very, like,

seemingly arbitrary but precise way that will guarantee that we have a fighting chance, well, then we'll lose. You know, like if we can't do that, we'll lose. It's like, yeah, well, that's how democracy is supposed to work. You know, like there's just so many ways they stack the deck and they're never. And like you said, aren't even really that secretive about it. They're pretty upfront about it. And it's okay with so many people in the country because it leads to the result that they want.

You know what I mean? No matter how inherently bullshit any of it may be. All they care about is the outcome. What's how through the looking glass we are is like a lot of people don't even like the result. There was an interview, a news article talking to Trump supporters about health care a couple days ago I read. It was astounding. Like even though he signed that stupid executive order pretending to be against for covering preexisting conditions. They didn't do anything.

Why is these administrations in court trying to overturn the Affordable Care Act? which would remove any sort of actions for pre-existing conditions. And this woman literally says, well, I don't think he'd actually let them remove political pre-existing conditions because in his heart, I know he cares about us and he wouldn't do that. Tucker, he's telling you he wants to do it. So, like, you just want to vote for him because you because, I don't know, affinity for white people or whatever your reasons are.

But he's telling you he's going to take away your kids' health care. And you're like, I just don't believe we do it. I think that that whole thing you're touching. on right there. It goes back to what we were saying about Trump earlier with his refusal to denounce white supremacists or whatever. So many people have this like very, very strong, innate aversion to admitting that they were wrong about something at any level. And a lot of these people are so, they, a lot of these people, man, they were basically born Republicans. You know, they've been Republicans their whole life. And, you know, they're 40 or 50 or whatever. All through

Reagan and Bush and all that stuff and it's like it's a huge part of their identity and part of what goes with that is Democrats are the bad guys. They're the villains so I think a lot of people's minds it's like well I know I know for a fact that the Democrats are

going to hurt me because that's all they do and sure he might be saying this stuff that seems bad to me but I know I just know it it's like faith in the Lord man it's like I just I know that really he has my best interest at heart.

I really think that that's how a lot of them feel or, you know, how the dynamic exists in their head and like, man, you can't, there is nothing you can do in the face of that type of shit. Now, I don't think that's all Republicans, but I think there's a good chunk of like the fervent Trump base or whatever that that's how their brains work. And I don't know how you possibly get to those people. there's a few a few different things that that's certainly part of it is just like you you're just like this is your team you stick with them right no matter what but also like right we're get to this stuff when we go later when we talk about cabers analytics but like the people are somewhat in denial

about reality because they just can't most people are most people are basically decent at heart they might have some some weird beliefs or prejudices or whatever but they mostly just want to get through their day and spend time with their kids watch some TV have sex with their wife three or four times a year. That's a good life, right? So, but they can't, like, there was a thing when, uh, in 2008, 2012, when Obama was running against Romney and Paul Ryan and Romney was having difficulty getting, uh, you know, a street cred from the Republican Party, he basically adopted Paul Ryan's economic plan wholesale. And when they tried to poll it, cultures couldn't get an honest feedback because if described Paul Ryan's plan to social security and give the money to rich people to form of tax breaks,

people in the poll were like with their focus group were like that can't be right they wouldn't do that they wouldn't do it because that's right right like you said faith in the Lord type stuff man it's like that that cannot be right because like you said they wouldn't do that there's no way they would do that that has to be a lie yeah yeah only straight up only a mother fucking evil uh politician would do that and miss Romney's a nice guy I mean probably is a nice guy in her personally but these people want power and they want power and then power comes from K and to donors and to people that will give them jobs afterwards on corporate boards where Paul Ryan is now. Yeah. Why don't you, because I want to make sure that we talk about at some point,

you mentioned the Cambridge Analytica thing. Why don't you get into that? Tell us about it. Before we, can we, I want to do it. I want to explain to the proud boys first because they're, yeah, sure. Go ahead. Okay. So, uh, the pro boys are not silly. They're dangerous, right? they've their quasi militia who dresses up silly so you don't take that's where Nazis

always play around as goofs. They also have a silly name. They're named pretty silly sounding. Their founder, Gavin McKinness, he's his advice

before he was run out of there. By the way, he's just owned the proud boys because they got too to do it virulent for him. But he named them after the musical Aladdin and there's a,

there was a one version of musical where I'm a proud boy. Aladdin sings it. And he, that's where he got the name from. He saw that he'll be with his son. So there. The fucking Arabian Nights tale.

The Disney version of that. That's where he drew the inspiration for his, you know, white men's rights group. He, um, so with the problem, it was Joe Biden that brought up the proud boy. Cause they're arguing about this.

He's, he's talking about, like, I don't know about specific groups. And Joe Biden's like, will you tell the, tell the proud boys, you disown them or whatever.

And so at that moment, if you look at the internet search history for proud boys, fucking through the roof, right? So Joe Biden just did a recruiting ad for the proud boys. If we don't know who they are, just a little bit about how fucking ridiculous they are. So there's stages of initiation, right? Level two is you get beat up by members

while listing five breakfast cereals. All right? Stage three is you agree not to masturbate more than one time per month and get a tattoo, of the proud boys logo. At level four, you have to get in a physical altercation for the cause. To be clear, this is like, because it's sort of like when people talk about, like,

what Scientology believes and that type of thing, like when South Park did the episode about Scientology's beliefs, they had to put a thing at the bottom that was like, no, listen, y'all, like, this is literally what, these are not jokes. This is what they believe. And that's what you're doing here with the Proud Boys, right? Like, this is all literal and legitimate. And what their basic founding principle is, Western culture is under assault, the idea of masculinity is under assault, and it must be defended from feminism and in flux of hordes of brown people.

Now, they do have brown members and brown sympathizers because not us. They mean the new ones coming in. They like us, right? That's always the jig. Anyway, they're stupid and they suck. And you're about to see a bunch of falling profiles about the silly subculture group that doesn't jerk off. and like they're going to see interviews and it's the same that they did with the alt-right

and Richard Spencer because they, they waited at this stuff because they wear it slowly close. They're not threatening, right? So, it's way as it. Real quick, if you know about this, go ahead and tell us about it. Otherwise, I'm looking it up to make sure, you're talking about how silly they are and whatever.

But you mentioned our founder, Gavin McKinnis, one of the founders' advice. He like once, do you know the story? To own the lives, he shoved a dildo up his own ass or something like that. like while streaming it. Do you know what I'm talking about? I don't remember that one. There was the other guy, the Joey Salas, guy, who drank his own piss and the live streamed to own the libs. I know about that guy, too. No, the, yeah, Gavin McKinnis, I think, and I've found it on Reddit. It doesn't mean it's true,

but I've seen this before, too, that apparently one time in a stream in order to own the lives, own the libs, he shoved a dildo up his butt. So that's what we're, that's what we're dealing with here. Um, anyway. For the record here, uh, uh, uh, the way the New York Times covered Hitler with us as a little maniac who wasn't a real threat. So like, this is always this thing there. They're always a little showman. And, but like a one of the subject of internet maniacs and election fuckery, Jacob Wohl and his, uh, his buddy, uh, Jack Berkman were finally arrested today for running fake robocalls on people not to vote in Detroit.

I guys been trying to go to jail for fucking a decade. He's a very silly piece of shit. I'm glad he's going to happen for him. Good luck, Jagging in jail, Jacob. now we can talk about facebook go for it tell us all right so um ukays channel forward is like a like uh investigative news uh they're investigating news uh they're investigating news team uh uncovered a bunch of shit about facebook and cameron analytics they had been uncovering it for years the blockbuster from a couple days ago was um the trump campaign used uh facebook data to target three and a half million black americans they figure were listed as possible to uh the way for deterrence they'd be easier to deterrence they'd be easier to from voting.

And without an understanding of Facebook's business model, which most people don't have, and going back to what we were talking about earlier, where like a lot of people slide through, we wouldn't have seen that that's how it works. So on Facebook, Facebook does is to build a really intense profile of your psychology and how to manipulate you. Because that's what advertising is at its root at its, you know, radio advertising, TV advertising is try to do it too, but they don't try to do specifically to you. Because what Facebook does is they can make it make an ad specifically.

for people just like you and targeted just like you. So if for things that make you mad are traffic, you'll see an ad about the Trump administration's plan to ease congestion on roadways or whatever. That's a benign example. They also do it with hateful stuff. So anyway, they, so basically what three and a half million of black Americans are about to be hit with

is a bunch of ads about Joe Biden's criminal justice record. And none of us will know what people are seeing because only those people will see it. So they won't even be covered. It can't even be given oversight by the Federal Election Commission, because it's that narrowly targeted. So, and all right, so like, here's how I see this, correct any of this that's wrong. I'm sure some of it will be.

The company like Cambridge Analytica, right, the reason why all this shit is so dangerous is because they have these profiles Facebook does. And also, by the way, pretty much any social media company, you know, it's a cliche at this point, but it's true. If you're not paying for something, then you are the product, right? So you are the product for them. They have profiles on everybody. And they have them in aggregate, right?

And so the problem is when it comes to something like Cambridge Analytica and, you know, Russia's interference with elections and whatnot, is you can obtain huge, you can obtain these huge chunks of data on huge chunks of the population. And it's very easy to filter them in certain ways where it's like, you know, where you get a massive number of people that, based on this data, will absolutely be susceptible to your particular message and target this propaganda or whatnot, whether it's fake or not, and most of it is, right at them. And the only reason you have the ability to do that so easily is because of Facebook and their, and Facebook and their ilk and their business model, right? Like they make the they make propaganda and radicalization and that type of thing infinitely easier. But they don't, to them, it's like they also make it much easier for Coke to sell soda, right? Like it's two sides of the same coin, basically. I'll tell you what that's why it's nefarious.

So every, everyone, see, this gets put in a category of like, well, it doesn't affect me. I'm not smart. I'm too smart to fall for it. Or, but these are about very, like, first of all, none of us are too smart. fall for it also mark we're broadcasting on facebook right now and a lot of people are watching us we appreciate it yeah yeah i mean like these me like i can't shut down yeah i live in los angeles we have a lot of problems here like it doesn't like it doesn't mean like nothing's perfect um but i'm saying people uh people will think that um like like so cambergenitalica somebody who they are

for a second and what they what they did so camberton analytics uh this guy invented a app um uh it was basically a buzzfeed quiz type app to get your get your get your I'll tell you what your personality is, right? A bunch of people downloaded it. The app itself was allowed access to Facebook's data, but it scraped way more data than they told Facebook they were going to take. They took not just the Facebook data for the people who used it, but also the data for all of their friends.

So while 250,000 people use it, they got like 80 million people's data. Facebook lied about it and covered it up. That data was sold, it was used by the Trump campaign, the 2016 Ted Cruz campaign, and lead. but for Brexit, right? Now, you're like, okay, it's silly. This is also silly internet stuff. Paper to the Atlantic is they're owned by a private intelligence firm called

L. SLCL, SLC is one of those. They were its contractor who ran sciops for the British and American governments, help sway elections in Africa and Europe, right? So if it doesn't work, why are they doing it? And why is Facebook make it so much money doing it? I'll do it. It works for sure. Yeah. So I'm just here to tell you that it works. They've done experiments where, like, using these algorithms where, you know, maybe they've

people's feeds if somebody, they can tell word choices in people's posts, how they're feeling emotionally. They'll take people who are depressed and see if they can make them more depressed, and they've, there's big experiments have been successful. They've also done people who are happy. They've done people who are happy. They've done these things change people's moods. And here's the thing, because I feel like, because I've thought this myself as far as this goes, and we're about to go to the comments here in just a second. But with this type of thing, I've had the maybe defeatist attitude of like,

well, look, man, it's just the future is now. You know what I mean? Like, this is just how it works. What the fuck are anybody supposed to do about this? Because it's Pandora's box and there ain't no going back. But that's not true. Like, we talked about it before on the show. Like, there are, this is also how fucking meatpacking companies operated,

you know, before Upton Sinclair and unions and stuff. Like this is what industry does every time, without a doubt. This is how capitalism works. This is what emerging industries do is exploit the fuck out of people. And there are ways to curb it. They're called government regulations, you know, big government, whatever. But you can do things to combat this as a society. It's just that I feel like with this in particular, it's so new and also so like

esoteric and futuristic and all this shit that it's hard for people to just even get their heads around, you know what I mean? That nothing has happened yet and that doesn't mean that things can't be done though. Like things can be done. It's really hard because two things, like companies will push as far as they can until one they get regulated or two, they get extremely publicly shamed.

The problem is it's easy to understand a guy falling into a meek rider. That's easy to understand. This stuff. This stuff is hard to understand. That's what I'm saying. It's abstract. It has really unfair results.

You can literally advertise real estate to just white people on Facebook, and only white people will see it, and it's impossible to regulate because nobody knows you're doing it. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, whereas Trump got busts for civil rights violations, because they could go in his building and count how few black people they were and how many the rejection rate for their applications. You can't, no one knows what they're doing, so you can't.

Yeah. Right. From YouTube, E. Hoofnagle says the problem is that tech moves faster than the government can work, and those tech companies make lots of money so they have sway over the regulations made over them. And yeah, I think you're right. Like, the government moves at a glacial pace, and everybody knows that it's so bureaucratic. And with something like tech, it is hard for them to keep up with. Also, I think about the people in government who make these laws or who are in charge of curbing this type of activity.

do you think about them and how old they are on average you know they don't know yeah yeah man they don't they don't understand this shit they like I mean how could they they I mean that's like there's been leaks out of Facebook they know they know what's coming and like they they they basically they said that Mark Zuckerberg knows they'll fare out under the republic administrations regulatorily and so that that's why their their their platform is easy to use as a conservative disinformation platform precisely because they don't want to do any pushback they don't want to partisan consensus they need to be regulated.

No, no. No, no, go ahead. Finish your thought. I'll see that comment. So like, like, Democrats don't do something. Like, literally all you got to do is make it so they have to like not the algorithm, like turn the algorithms off where you see posts in law in order and have it.

So groups are recommended. I only go to what I think about, oh, I want to join a group that's for cross-stitching. I can go join that. That's all they have to do is it's not a free speech issue. Just turn off the algorithms. Yes, that is not a week. does not have been. I don't know who this is directed at, whether another commenter or somehow at me.

I don't feel like I've implied that it's weed, but for YouTube commenter, the new centrist said, that's deaf weed vape, dumbass. It has a pod. And no, you're right, it's not. It's just a regular jewel like all the kids love today. Look, I started smoking when I was 16. I'm not proud of it, but it's true, you know, I'm fucking white trash. What are you going to tell you?

I haven't had a cigarette in, I don't know, over a year for sure, 18 months, something like that. and I know this shit is still nicotine. I'm not sitting here acting like it's like good for me. But as somebody who smoked for 15 or however 15, 16 years, there is no doubt my mind that this shit is preferable to that shit. And I'll take it for now. I'm not trying to sit here and act like this is totally fine. Please don't hit me with the proselyitations and everything over here.

Because you're right. This is all so bad. I'm not judging. I'm not judging because for two reasons. I'm not judging because I can vouch that it's not a weed because Trey has let me hit his nicotine babe a bunch of times which is a thing that will never happen again because the society has changed because of COVID. Andrea Keeling says are we not going to discuss

45 blasting Biden's son in the debate? Biden had more restraint than I would have. I'm glad you brought this up. I agree completely. As a dad, this was another thing that I tweeted about because it pissed me off into moment. And I said something like, because this is how I felt about it, if someone I was debating responded to the, to the bringing up of my deceased child by calling my other child a fucking cokehead piece of shit, basically, a sorry-ass drug addict, I just don't have, I don't think I have

the strength of character to do as well as I think Joe Biden did in that moment like I would fucking, you know, I'm throwing hands. I'm not going to like, I can't, I couldn't, I couldn't handle that type of thing.

I agree with you completely, Andrea. He had more of strength than I would have too. That wouldn't, you can't name something that would infuriate me more than that shit right there. And also another thing I'll say is somebody with a drug addict parent and numerous drug addict family members, you know,

outside of even just that part of it, the restraint that he had, him looking right at the camera and saying, like, look, my son had a drug problem like a lot of people have, but he worked on it. He's still working on it. And I'm proud of him, whatever. Like, I love to see that shit because drug acts have been demonized for so fucking long. And that's exactly what he should have said, you know? So, yeah, I don't know.

What's funny is you and I predicted this exact, that exact scenario almost. We thought he might shit on Beau, but he should on Hunter. Well, while we were talking about Bo. So, yeah, it's a bad man.

Kevin Reynolds said he's quoting me. It's so esoteric. You know what I mean. Actually, no, Tray, I have no idea. That's fair. Abstract is what I clarified it to later.

That's what I should have said. But it's like Mark said, a guy falling into a meat grinder and ending up in the sausage, that's easy for people to understand. But this whole thing with our personal data and social media and it getting exploited and all, that is way more abstract, if that's a better word. And thus, it's hard.

It's how it's how it's absolute. Yeah, that's what I meant. That's what I'm, that is what I meant. So you clarify that for you. Yeah. I know we, we, Mark, apparently, we got a problem with ageism, man. We get comments like this every week. Seems like we end up setting some, uh, aged Americans.

Deborah Webb says, watch that ageism comment. I know young people who aren't tech savvy. you're 100% right there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a hearing two years ago where mark Zuckerberg was testifying about this Cambridge Analytica stuff I think and uh oran hatch who uh is not in the Senate anymore but it was old because he's old his shit this is this is not him be old here's not the problem the problem was he asked Mark Zuckerberg uh how do they make money and he said

advertising senator after a long pause because he couldn't figure out that the Ornatch had no idea what Facebook was. We had no idea. And that's the problem. It's not to do with like, hit grandmas, you know, like obviously if you're watching the show,

you know how to use Facebook or the internet or whatever. This is not, it's, we're just talking broadly speaking about people who don't use this stuff who are tasked to regulate it and have no idea what it is. This is just, this is just somebody glowing us up here, Mark. Sean Velo or Vilo says,

I'm from the south side of Chicago and I think you guys are great. Killed my southern stereotypes. Well, we appreciate that. The South said, though. So yeah. Aggie Cajun says nothing wrong with a weed vape. I agree.

I got, yeah. No problem with a weed vape at all. Yeah, I'm just clarifying for people that that's not what this is. Also, I'm, like, I, I've, I got no problem with weed whatsoever. I've, I'm such an insane lightweight when it comes to weed. Like, I can't even hardly fuck with it at all. I'm all for it being legal. Got no issue with it whatsoever.

But I just can't. I, let me tell you, that I live in California, they got these, the edibles. out here, you know, they're all like standardized. And you get like, usually they're in 10 milligram, 10 milligram per edible. If I eat a quarter, I'm not exaggerating, if I ate a quarter

of one of those, two and a half milligrams, T.HC, like, I will commune with the void for two hours that night while I'm laying in bed. Like, it goes south quick. I'm jealous of people that can like enjoy

marijuana on that level anymore. And And also people that, like, actually find therapeutic benefits from it, I'm all for y'all. But it, I got to watch it, man. It fucks me up. I don't, I'm not a heavyweight by any means. But, yes, as soon as this is over, I'm going to hit my vape and put laundry and watch football. But because I have, my job just wrapped up. So I'm off for a while, forever, maybe.

Who knows? And nothing else to do. But also, like, people, if you don't live in a place in League of Weed, a We dispensary is not like a Costco or like a a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a lot of a diter off. It's like a, it's like a, a lobby of a nice hotel with, like, people. It's like, like, it's like you're being, it's like a fine dining experience.

That's what we go legal, we'd like in California. So, advocate for it, your state. Yeah, you're right. They're like Somali A's in there. Somaliyas for weed. Yeah. Brittany Simone says, his bestie, the buttercream dream, shoves it up his butt. And you're right. He does.

Corey Forrester, everybody shoves it up his butt. I know you're talking about weed, but we don't have to clarify. Look at this. See like this. Okay. 200 milligrams. I know. That's what I'm sticking with the subject of weed.

And I believe you, Robert. We got a comment here from Facebook. Robert Rea or Ria says, it takes me 200 milligrams. And I believe you, because I've known, I know comedians who will take at least 100 to go on, before they go on stage. and I cannot wrap. That shit blows my mind. That's what I'm saying. Like something about our blood or our physiological makeup

between me and you, Robert, is very different. Because I would have to go to the emergency room. I'm not kidding. Like, I know you can't overdose on weed, but I would lose my motherfucking mind with 200 milligrams. Crazy.

The thing is just standardized here. Like, the hit off of vape is about 5 milligrams. So that's 40 hits off of vape. You're, it'll be. Go get your lungs checked out, but there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, a vice show. I forget the name of it was, but it was about people following their dreams

and trying to launch their own small businesses and just, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a true, like a true life thing, kind of right, like the version of that. And this guy was launching a, a marijuana bakery company in the Bay Area. And he was like, I can't get my, I don't understand why my business hadn't taken off. And he was going to give out free samples. And he ate one for breakfast on the way to this thing and to show the label, 350 milligrams this muffin that he ate in the way to work. And I was like, you're selling 350 million.

Like, are you telling people to take one little nibble? Because like that for a normal person, that's a insane amount. I know. All right. Mark, I'm telling you, you're upsetting people with your ageism over here, Mark. Patricia Arach or Iraq says, Mark, says, Mark, old as shit. Really? You'll be old as shit someday too.

We all get old and weak. And yeah, I know what he's by saying. He is. I hope. I hope. I live that long. I'm on 42. I'm old as shit already.

I feel that way, but I know you're saying, again, this isn't directed at you, Patricia. It's like, not all old, hashtag not all old people, okay? It's like, it's not talking about the, just watch the sit in hearings. They talk about this stuff. They don't know what they're talking about. That's the only problem here. My problem is not with them being old. The problems with they don't understand what the regulator.

That's not I'm saying. Tanya or Tanya Johnson says, Trey, will Trump still think the system is fraudulent if he wins? Well, this has been pointed out a million times before, but he bitched about the results of the last election. and he won them. Like, he, he disputed those even, and he won. So, I mean, yeah, he will. Like, even if he did win, fair and square, legitimately somehow, yeah, he will still say that it's rigged.

Like, he would say that Biden shouldn't have been as close as he was or whatever. I guarantee it. And Republicans use them as a blunt instrument to limit more bailouting and they'll lock in. Like, they'll make it much easier for don't. John Jr. to be next president or whatever. Let's say here. What? Damn it. Shit. I clicked the wrong one.

This is, I meant to click one that said, you guys are awesome, but they, they had auto correct and it turned you. So it said toy guys are awesome. I was just, you know. Yeah, I like toys too. But we got Whisper Mason here. It says, Alex Jones is the political John Madden. You know, I got love. for John Madden, man.

Like, he's, and the thing that John Madden did was state the obvious, right? I feel like that's what John Madden's known for, stating the obvious, and that's what people made fun of him for. And I don't feel like Alex Jones is stating the obvious. Here's a guy.

Here's a guy. Here's a guy. Here's a guy who's like, there's a frog, the chemicals will turn of the frogs game. That's the thing, the chemicals in the water turn of the frogs gay. Yeah. I don't know. If you're Alex Jones fan, man, I don't know. Probably don't be.

I can't figure out what to. Yeah, let's see. Let's find one more thing if we can. Okay. Now, we'll find another one. Joseph, Joseph Doak says 500 milligrams daily. Y'all are wild. John Turner says Joey Diaz is a weed demon.

Yeah, he's one of those comics that takes that level of, of weed. Before he goes on stage again, I can't even wrap my head around it. All right, there we go. We'll end on this. Sonia C. from YouTube says, Biden and Democrats raised record numbers of donations from that debate alone. It backfired spectacularly for him. And you're right, that's also true. Literally, literally set a record during and after the debate for

monetary amount of donations in a one hour period or something like that. It was like $4 million in a one hour period. And so you're right and Mark was right. Listen, I still consider myself a dumbass, but I appreciate you and Mark trying to, you know, make a case for why it wasn't dumb here. It is a dumb thing to have happened. But like if this is politically effective, like for Joe Biden to show up and just let Trump cave his head in for an hour and a half, like Muhammad Ali or,

or uh... roper dope or uh... rodwood rocky did and all his movies just let just let the other guy beat the shut up and they get tired i mean hey yeah whatever gets us out of this hell man if it works it ain't stupid i think i'm not going to watch it because it stresses the fuck out you know right all right well that's it thank you for joining us here uh on evening skews i had a good time five pacific eight eastern it's going to be the same thing next tuesday i do believe i'm liking the way it's going so who knows what the hell will happen between now and then but But whatever happens, we'll be here to talk shit about it. We'll see you guys next Tuesday.

Love you, bye.