wellRED podcast - Music Make Me Lose Control (Cry)

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

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Hello, here we are. Oh, we here? I guess so. I don't know. Do you, I still don't know. Do you, do you just, if you don't play the song, we just don't have the song or you I'll be putting in it. You add it later.

Okay. I do. Yeah. Well, it's not like. we have pre-production meetings or anything. No, hell not. Why would we? That would you hit.

They're the liberal rednecks. They like cornbread, but sex, they care way too much, but don't give a fun. They're the liberal rednecks that makes some people upset, but they got three big old dicks that you can suck. Do you know what synth wave is? The type of music? Mm-hmm. I know it's not when they play a theremin, but that's what I thought it was for a while.

It's like, I feel like the biggest song of the genre and it's fucking 15 years old now. It kind of kicked it all off, but do you know the song, Night Call by Kovinsky? Do you know that song? I don't. Yeah. I'm sure that I've heard it. It's from the- It's also one of the most-

Drive. I was about to say, is it the song from Drive? Yeah, yeah. As soon as that started clicking, yeah. I know that. That's all rules. The whole soundtrack of that movie is since leave and that kicked off sort of the popularity of the genre or whatever. But it also is heavily influential on a lot of current EDM artists Kaminsky specifically.

Sure. Yeah, I mean, to the untrained papaw, I would be like, oh, that's the same shit, ain't it? But I know it's not. It's, you know, it's got like a 80s fucking Blade Runner type feel to it. That's what I think of is Blade Runner or Tron. Yeah, I saw somebody about one of my faves. There's this band. Well, I really just listened to their one debut album.

I should check out their other albums. They're called Gunship. Hell yeah. That's two things it hit. Yeah. And I saw somebody describe their music. It said every gunship song sounds like, every gunship song is in slow motion and on fire,

but also it's raining. Yeah. And it's like, I thought that was pretty perfect. If you actually listen to them, it makes sense. But they, it's like John Carpenter movies and you sent, it's very 80s, he feeling and stuff. And it's, uh, oh, it's dark, though, don't you think? Like, John Carpenter isn't quite as dark. Oh, dark.

Well, they have a movie. I was just going to say the man I saw a couple weeks ago when Bonnery got canceled. I think I told you all I ended up going to see Justice as like instead, this French group. And they're, yeah. Isn't it justice? Sorry to be that way, but... We invented it here. Justice.

Yeah. They, um, they aren't that, but they're heavily influenced by that. Mm-hmm. But, uh, there's the main, I guess sort of the main reason I bring it up. There's, so the only ones I really fuck with are Kavinsky, gunship, and then there's another one called the Midnight. The Midnight is a duo. One of the guys is from the Deep South. And the other.

the guy is Danish, so that's a fun combo. No, I don't know them. Never mind. Is M85 one of them? Oh, I don't know. I think they're like a different, they're, they're bigger, but is that what they're, what? Yeah, they got that, I don't know.

This isn't going well. I know who you're talking about. M83, isn't that, isn't that what is that? It might be. Could be. M85 is a type of gun. M83. Yeah, Midnight City.

They have a song called Midnight City that's like fucking fire. But anyway, it was into them recently because I just looked it up. They're also French. This is synth pop. Okay.

And I think synth pop and electronic and then synth wave, is that what you called it? Yeah. It's kind of like being like if two idiots are discussing whether or not Led Zeppelin

was the blues. And like if you were dumb, you could make an argument one way or the other without knowing the truth. I think that's what's going on with M83 and probably Justice. They're not Synthwave. They just kind of are.

So, sorry. That banned the midnight that's Synthwave does it for me. They have a band motto, which I just read earlier. I was listed to them on Spotify, and I looked at the About the artist, the bio section. And they just had their motto listed it to Japanese phrase. You know, I like the Germans got all those phrases that mean stuff. But, you know. You know,

George Freud and Yeah, stuff like that. Well, I guess the Japanese have some of those too because if a Japanese phrase apparently goes, uh, Mano no aware,

right? Which is, come on, do it right. Mano no harare. Manon no horare. Yeah. A Japanese phrase

that loosely translates to, quote, a sense of nostalgic wistfulness and the awareness that nothing lasts forever. Oh, man, I get that.

The knowledge of the impercepts. permanence of time. This is going to sound ridiculous, but I get that from their music, dude. They have that soundtracky, they have that soundtracky vibe where you're like, I felt this way before, but in a different life, maybe. Yeah, you see it in three acts. No, no, I agree. If you're familiar, I agree, they picked a good, I don't even know how you do that, but their music does actually evoke that feeling, but also that just that general feeling. I think maybe that's why the music also hits for me is because I'd just be feeling like that all the time. Like they got a song called Los Angeles that's very explicitly that way, I feel like. It was on Days of Thunder, wasn't it? What, the Tom Cruise movie? No, I think that's the name of one of their albums, which hits for me. Oh, okay. Yeah.

The fact that music can make us feel all sorts of different ways, just sounds can make you feel all sorts of different ways, you know. It sort of feels like I'm getting a snake charm by God or something. Yes, I agree. It's the closest thing to believe in in, like, a real active God that I come is, like, the way music does. Have you ever heard anyone, like, with a lot of training speak on that type of stuff? Like the vibrations of music and how it affects the mood? The neuroscience, whatever their expertise is.

It's very interesting because it's almost like the deeper they go, the more questions are raised. Because you could hear them say, like, so what you just talked about, Trey, and I'm going to butcher. this, but I feel like I've, I know I've heard a guy talk about it, and he was talking about the way keys work and minor chords and how you can put this sequence together, and it evokes a sense of nostalgia. So it's like you said, I don't know how they do that. Well, that's how they did it. But what the fuck does that mean? You still didn't really tell me how they did it. You know, it was like, it's like somebody went out there and did four dance move, and it made a ball of light appear. He'd be like, well, that's how you do it. I still don't know anything about what

just happened. Well, also chicken or a... Like blows my mind. Chicken or egg, like, do you think the first musicians were like, the first people that created that sound were like, I'm going to attempt to make the sound of something sad. Or they just did it and they were like, God damn, that's sad. So that we decided that's the sad one.

Look, man, if you're really truly asking me, I think that music exists, it's almost like consciousness has become for me where I think these things exist and you don't create them, you go find them. Yeah. So that's why. it's almost godlike to me.

I think that someone figured out that makes us feel that way, but I think it's innate within us, which is crazy and I almost don't believe it as I say it. No, but it's true. It's 100% true. Like, dude, explosions in the sky has made me cry, sad.

I was just about to bring them up. Explosion of the skies made me cry more than songs with words in them that was sad. You know what I mean? I was just about to bring them up. She said chicken or egg thing a minute ago. I was about to say, you know, like speaking of that, like, how is it possible that explosions in the sky with no lyrics whatsoever? Like, just using the music make me, you know, take me right back to like high school or whatever.

It's crazy. It's true. It's just a nostalgia and shit. And even specifically about like high school football. And of course, they were the soundtrack to Friday Night Lights. But it's like that still is like, did they, right. Exactly. That's because they fucking nailed it.

said like if that right even that doesn't fully it's like how did they do how did they make something that that's so perfectly suits that that's like again there's no words it's painting with it's painting with sounds it's fucking crazy dog we're evoking a feeling that they feel they're communicating it with you and there was this guy who did this one we can talk to dolphins right here by the way there was this guy who did this ted talk and he opened with uh he did a pentatonic scale I can't sing I won't do it But he went Nah, nah, nah

And he kind of like Jestered to the crowd And they all hit the note Of course He goes He was the question You guys are asking He goes

Why do we all know to do that Is it because we've heard that scale before Or is it something else And then he brought up some study We're like babies And people in different cultures Where they have slightly The different scales

They're also hitting the note Right Yeah That's fucking mind blowing dude Yeah there is it is I love thinking about it

explosion in the sky was in Knoxville this year Trey but they were at that Big Ears Festival and tickets are $400 and it is Explosion in the sky

was probably the biggest act there it is sort of by its own admission a weird sonic festival they have like

throat singers they'll have somebody you've heard of but it's their off project they're doing DJ shit and I wanted to go but it was like 400 bucks

and to me 400 was worth it, but 800 wasn't. I knew Andy was going to have to go to. I've always wanted to go to that festival for this reason. I want to like, it's also, Jesus. It's also like, sorry, I don't know how I got a phone call on this computer that slated me. Oh, you can talk to them. It's one of those festivals where they just like hang out after

because none of them are famous. I've always wanted to go to the festival and just find these Juilliard or Boston Conservatory Tremes. trained out there people. And we're like, hey man, how come babies know music? Right. I want somebody to ask Jordan Peterson that when he's on the verge of tears. That's saying, honestly, the dude's one talent is that he is good with words.

That thing he said about can a plastic bottle not be a cathedral or whatever? It's so funny. Is that like where two or more gathered in his name, it's church type thing that he was trying to say there? He was basically saying, like, God's everywhere, if you're willing to look. And then he, like, picks up a glass bottle and he's got tears in his eyes. And he's like, but I'm going to make it sound silly. And it was, but his words were really beautiful. It was like, you know, it was like, is God not in the children's eyes?

Is this glass bottle not a cathedral? I mean, it's not bad, but no when it's him. But also, but I mean, no. I mean, how? Sorry, y'all know I'm the guy. This one, but like, how, how? Let me find the quote before we get too far. I'm going to find the quote first, but a cathedral is man-made, so even if you don't believe in God, you can make an argument as an atheist that a class bottle is a cathedral for ants.

Right. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Okay. I fucked up the quote. There were two separate quotes. The cathedral one is simply He was pointing at a cathedral when he said it.

No, it says there are cathedrals everywhere for those with the eyes to see. But what got him, you know, the front page of Reddit for it is this was what picture he put with it. For those just listening, it's an Avion plastic bottle.

That sounds like a line from a twilight movie. I still, If it was like, I don't, you know, if he, I just like a cathedral, you know, isn't that a place where you, like, where people gather? I don't know. Worker. To worship and appreciate something greater than themselves. Like, you know, we were all in a studio together or like a cathedral of the mind or something like that. Yeah.

But in this situation, we're in a bottle. A plastic bottle. I mean, if we could get in there, you know. If it was like, can this bottle not be, you know, inspiration or something like that? I'd be like, yeah, sure, it can. Honestly, if it's some kind of Andy Warhol type query, it can be. Honestly, if it was this glass Coke bottle, this tiny one,

I would be like, all right, well, this is like maybe a monument, both to the tribe. A monument, an icon, something like that. But everyone? Sure, an idol? like any of those words, I'd be like, right, okay. But those don't apply to the Evian bottles. What's funny about that, Trey, that's not an iconic bottle.

If you'd ask me before I looked at that picture what the Evian bottle looks like, I might have got the mountains right, maybe. Yeah, well, I still just wish I knew more what he meant. I was about to say, he... All that playing out where we were in Brew was like, this is kind of beautiful. And we're all just like, man, that is beautiful,

the vibration. And he kind of said a beautiful thing. Like we were talking about one of our, political foes and we're just like, yeah, man, he said a beautiful thing. And Drake comes in with a, well, actually, that can't be a cathedral. And you're fucking right. That was so funny.

Genuine, you know, curiosity and, I mean, I have seen clips, obviously, clips made by people that are biased, you know, because he talk all the time, obviously. Cries. He stays crying. Right. Well, that's what I'm saying. You can make a montage of him crying.

You can make a montage of him being genuinely deep. profoundly profound, but I've also seen montages of him saying like just goofy shit, you know what I mean? Goofy shit, dude. I feel like Peterson came out. What the word is is? Yeah. So, you know. I feel like over the past couple years he like, he came on the scene super hard and it feels

like he's like a dude who worked their whole life on that first hour. You know what I mean? And then after he's done with the first hour, his new shit. up because he ain't got nothing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he wrote a self-help novel that was like, hey, pull up your pants and clean your room.

And our dads are like, we've been saying it. We've been saying it, dude. This guy rules. And then he goes, oh, those are my fans, the dads. I know what else they've been saying. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's definitely the queerest person to act like

he ain't queer. You know what I mean? Like acting all Trumpy or whatever, but he's always crying. There's a lot of them that are Ben Shapiro is Yeah, you're right. They're turning on him. Tucker Carlson. They're all turning on everybody, y'all.

It's crazy as fuck to see. I mean, listen, they'll reconvene at the convention. I promise you that. They'll be a strong front. I don't know, brother. There's so many of them that are what you just said. The queerest person's out like that. Yeah, actually, you know what?

You're right. Almost all of them. Honestly, yeah. What's his face? Who's the fat-faced little fucking kid? I mean, me. I know I am too. The other one, the one who shot them folks and then went on...

Oh, Ritten Out. Kyle Rittenhouse. He's a crying as bitch of them all. And he's got to take the cake. Well, he's also too stupid even for him. Like, they kicked him out. They tried to pay him to talk for a while and even they were like, God, damn. There'd been so much, it would have hit so much harder for them if he had have also died during that.

That would have worked out. I was about to say that. What a hero they would have had. But it would have been writing. fake speeches and saying he wrote them for his communications class and shit. And that's the problem with all their fucking heroes and why they're always turn on each other because again, they'll come in with a tight 10 one week of like some pro-Trump shit, you know, and they'll be like, woo, we love this person.

And then that's all the steam they get that. Now they got to say their own words and they just go, die, duh. Yeah, dude. They were like, oh man, this hot chick saying stuff I like. And then they kept giving her the mic and then she tried to jack it off. Yeah. because again you did but uh yeah what uh what came of that was there any like actual like she for real buddy it was over the pants and the movie wasn't long enough it was a play wasn't it

beatle juice it was makes it more right it was beetle juice yeah it was beetled i mean i get it in the hey mr tallyman drink up your banana or whatever like if they were said it and then he gets to come three times right that song does make me want to come but like not in a theater among people. I'm a Christian, you know. God, I want to come in a theater among people. I don't know, dude. Bobert's definitely one of those.

This is so toxic. Definitely one of those, though. The more she talks more, I'm like, God, I bet it is fun. Oh, dude, you know it is. There ain't no way she says the word no. Dude. Yeah. Hell, yeah.

Wild and dumb and crazy as hell. That character in a wedding crashers becomes Vince Von's wife. Yeah, I let, yep, yep. Yeah. Yeah. dude. I know. I'm like, shoot, man, she can put me on any list. Hey, Drew, you ever get jacked off at church? Yeah, dude. I lost my virginity on Easter Sunday.

Yeah, getting jacked off at church hit. It does, dude. The church wasn't in the session. You went there. Right. Yeah. Well, well, yeah, I've all, I've done that too. Yeah. It's funny to think about trade. Just going and jacking it off on a church. It was. I didn't, it was a, I was with a girl, it was a, it was a oral situation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, me too. She then expelled it all onto the side of the church and I was ready to go again right then, you know. Hell yeah. I was like, I was like, like, it did hit for me. Don't give me wrong. I was like, God damn, you are a godless whore. Oh, man. I appreciate those, those were fun days.

Yeah. You, uh, you had a little bit of a pre-year. there and she is God. The steed hath spilled and the Lord saw what we have done and he was displeased. Spank me, daddy spank me. I have done it

when some version of church was in session like at a like a fucking lock-in type situation. Yeah, we had a boundary. Or like you sneak away from fifth quarter after the football game but you're still in the church, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah, why not? You know? Yeah, this room in here is all carpeted. Like, why go to the car? I need to just lay down under here. Fill the spirit. I got to tell you all about this encounter I had with a pap hall while I was out in the park. So.

Parking with papaws. I'd watch it. I would, dude, I was thinking the whole time, I was like, God, if I was somehow being pranked right now or like this was on TV, this would, my face had to have been fucking priceless. Um, so anyways, I get out to the park. I open my car door. I see this old papaw standing there and just staring near a tree. And I'm like, hey, how you doing? You know, and then he goes, hey, come here. And I was like, okay. And he goes, this year is right here? And I was like, and I looked and it's a dog bowl. Is it a dog bowl leaning against a tree? And I said, oh, no, you know, not mine. I said, I guess somebody's out in the woods with their dog or they forgot it. I said, I think it was here yesterday, you know. And with old people, like, you always think, I always think, and I don't want to be this way because I don't like to be prejudiced.

But if I meet an old man in the South, I assume I'm about 0.8 seconds from him about to ask me my opinion on something or just flagrantly declaim his. What about? Proclaim his, right? Yeah, proclaim his. Because it's every, dude, they'll turn anything into politics. I'm like, but as long as I don't bring it up or racism. I'm like, as long as I don't bring it up, it'll be fine. Or the Lord.

Or the Lord. Any of those things. Any of the, and it don't happen every time, but it has happened enough to why it makes me feel that it might happen again, you know. And so anyways, I go, no, it's not mine. I guess some owner has their dog out here. And he goes, huh, huh. And I said, what, or something. And he goes, he goes, I was just the same as bad as it used to be.

And I was like, what? Like, I didn't know what the fuck he meant. And I was like, what do you mean? He goes, well, you know. you know, I'm not prejudiced. And like, DJ used to have that bit, which was, you know, anything that comes after I'm not a racist, but is about to be the most racist shit you've ever heard.

And it's always true. He said, I don't mean to be prejudiced, but you not remember about two, three years ago when the goddamn Mexicans found out about this fucking park? And I'm like, what, like, what, what? And he goes, oh, yeah, all them Mexicans come out here, it was worse than dogs. bowls. He's like, they had brand new lawn chairs, brand new coolers. They'd just leave them out there,

tags and stuff still on them. All these Mexicans. And I go, I go, man, that seems like it'd be pretty sweet, like to find a, you know, like a lawn chair or like a cooler. And he's just like, uh, now, well, yeah, but they just leave them. I said, why would they leave? Why would they leave new stuff? He goes, because they can just go steal some more. And again, this is the man who's just, this is the man who said, I'm not prejudiced. But he goes, because. Well, hell, either they can go steal some more or, I don't know, probably the government gives them to them or whatever. The government is in the month. Government's got a free cooler of fucking coronas.

Yeah, for any. Clunkers for chunkers. Family. Yeah. You can go down to the government office. They give you a lawn chair and some sandals and a six pack of coronas. Fucking. Yeah.

And he's just sitting here talking about all these Mexicans just throw this brand new equipment, fucking shit everywhere. And he's so mad. And he said that about them getting. the government to buy them coolers he goes he goes you know what this is this is what he fucking vaulted on and and stuck the land and he goes you know what it took me 75 years to get my social security they get it in six months they get it in six months and i just go all right sir have a good day and i like it's like what the i'm not converting a person there in the parking lot nor do i want to try to but it was just it was so raven man the i what like i

implying that Mexicans in particular are like lazy, welfare queens or whatever. Right. It's truly wild. It's insane. The narrative for so long, of course, was they took our, they take our jobs, right? It's like, you could say. And then they won't do them. Yeah.

Yeah. But that's like, if you just want to be boldly racist to just say, you know, that they steal or they're criminals or whatever, which is obviously all bullshit. but like calling them lazy is just, you know, just intellectually dishonest. It's like it goes against the, that's the one thing that they're, I don't know, that everyone should acknowledge about them,

even if they do hate them for stupid, unfounded reasons, I would think. And we did use to acknowledge it like that. Like all these same people have always said that. Like when I was a kid, dude, that was the stereotype was that they work really fucking hard. Because, dude, Tim Wilson had this. bit and it murdered and it only would if we all believe that where he was talking about he goes uh

he goes yeah me he goes mexicans ain't stealing your damn job they just don't watch four days a fucking nass car you know and he was talking about all this construction worker he goes god damn he goes you go to daytony you got to get there on tuesday to get your spot for wednesday and then there's the whatever whatever and he goes you're down there a goddamn week and he goes the mexican the mexican ain't taking your job he just don't give a fuck about gregg biffle i remember he used Greg Biffel is the example. And it murdered because they were all like, yeah, Mexicans are just out there working their ass off.

Yeah. I've heard the crime stereotype being pushed, and I assumed about immigrants, and they're all dangerous and they're going to rape our kids, I assumed that was because the lazy thing wouldn't stick. I assumed always that that was an escalation because most people were going, nah, I don't think these immigrants are stealing my job.

I don't think I want it. And they go, well, no, I didn't say job. I said your son. They're stealing our kids. And then they go, oh, shit. So, I mean, I'm not surprised if it is starting to take that turn. But around here anyway, they're still like, we can't let them in because they're going to murder us because they're in gangs. Or they're going to outwork us.

There's like almost a tacit acknowledgement of the lack of laziness. Like, yeah, we can't compete with that, dude. It's like Indians in a math contest. You can't let these Mexicans in here if we're trying to get backhoe jobs. Of course. Yeah, well, and that's fair enough, frankly. You're racist, but at least it's logical racism. Yeah, man.

Yeah. I just don't know what they, I just, I don't know. If you, I don't know who they think is doing all the, you know, they see, they have to see Mexicans doing all these jobs, all the, well, maybe not in like tiny towns like that. But like, you know, who's doing all the farm work and all kinds and building all the, the shit and all this stuff that happens in this country that hits, like, I mean, it already happened

years ago, Alabama in particular, passed a very draconian immigration law that all the all the immigrants like fled and fear just because they could go to other states and be okay. I'm like now the whole country's doing it, but then it was just out. So they left Alabama

and then that fall, Alabama had like a disastrous harvest where they lost like 80% of their crops and it was a, you know, a big big problem because they didn't have nobody to do that. You know, so much of that shit depends on the exploitation

of cheap labor, which has been like true since the dawn of mankind, essentially. And then, you know, and then they, but at the same time, they want to vilify them and kick them out, send them to, you know,

ship them off overseas. And I don't know what they, how they think. They, they don't understand that things have to actually be done by actual people and shit like that. Like I think they just think that everything that just hits just happens. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Roads.

Yeah. It just is the way that it is. Yeah. It's like this whole situation in tech, like all the cuts to like the National Weather Service and stuff like that. They're like, I was like, oh, hell, who gives a, what is a hydrologist?

Why my tax dollar is going to pay for a hydrologist or whatever? And it's like, I mean, these people, these are actual things. Why would we need an emergency disaster team? We never have an emergency here. Well, that's, you know, that's why it's like the fucking plane coming back with the red dots and shit on it. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, you don't, things are, the reason you don't know about this thing is because shit was working efficiently. You know what I mean? That was out order being like that's a good expense. Yeah. Well, speaking of working efficiently, you know, it's hard to do sometimes. It's hard to be efficient with the money you spend in

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Absolutely. It is. Yeah. Yeah, I could pay two bucks a month for that. I'd want the hat to. Yeah. Cracklins are an actual separate thing, though. Yeah, you can, you can order them separate, yeah.

No, no, no, that ain't what I mean. I mean, cracklings is a thing you can that people make. Oh, yeah, just like pork cracklings and stuff. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know. I'm just telling you, I used to call them cracklings when I was a kid. That's it.

But, yeah, pork cracklings hit. Yeah. But those, also those little, it's just like, what is it just like the extra batter that also gets fried? Yeah, and it goes so hard. God. I fried I fried fish just last night for fish tacos. Baramundi? The hot new fish?

It was actually tilapia. The hot old fish. The hot old fish, yes, but it's still. That was that old ice. Speaking of the Asians earlier, having things that hit, Tempura batter. Oh, God, dude. That was hard, God.

Man, I went too long in my life before having that. that wasn't a thing when we was kids real big you know no not what we're we from especially hell no have you had the um korean wings core yes where korea in general oh yeah yeah have i had korean wings yes i thought you said have you had the korean wings and i thought it was like at a restaurant yes i have that's a type of tempura is it not that they're doing there it's like a thinner tempura it's really something how crunchy and moist they get them because there's a time when it's a thin batter it's it's it's you No, it's weak in taste.

There's actually a chain called Bonchon. Hell you. Which, yes, they do. They have one in the Los Angeles area, but it's very, very far for me, unfortunately. But they also have one in the Mall of America where I was at not long ago, so I hit it up there. But Bonchon is a Korean fried chicken chain. Yeah. And it's fucking fire.

I'm a huge, huge fan. Place in L.A., I'll look up if you ever want to venture. Andy and I run a different part of town. I think we went to one of those theaters, like those special theaters to watch a movie. I don't remember what it was, but like, you know, we went somewhere we didn't live in L.A. And we went to this restaurant and we had squid ink pasta, those wings and some sushi rolls. It was like a fusion spot, obviously. Yeah, boy.

They were the, it was the best chicken wings I've ever had in my life, hands down. I think my still best chicken wings is at what's a place called, Trey. Sacramento or San Jose. Paper Plains. San Jose, California, Paper Plain. I've been thinking about them wings ever since you started talking. boy yeah buddy i knew you're gonna do them like that's how prevalent it is in your life that i knew when i started talking about wings you were gonna bring them up i'm gonna i even said san jose

because i knew i was like i remember that hey leonald simon was there wait okay sorry i'm still just on this uh yes calip sion was there and he's the one who remembered the place so shout out to Caleb for actually. He hadn't remembered what the rest of us. The other three didn't even remember where it was. He was one who recalled it and told us the name of it so we could go back.

I used to get drunk in Northern California. So the picture of Evian water bottle. Right? Like he's, so he's saying it's, it's him saying, you're still back on. Yes.

Oh my God. The, the way the, the design of the bottle and the plastic, it, what looks like a, like a church window. A cathedral window.

The bottle itself is not a cathedral. Something ended is calling to mind the cathedral. Let me take something about him. You might not be considering here, dude. Two things. One, he is good at the internet. He might have been trolling with the picture. I think he meant, or thinks he means that quote,

but he might have been trolling with a picture. Two. Oh, shit. I see it. He's on a plane. No, I see it. You see the cathedral in the shape? I have the eyes.

see. See, he said, only for those, only for those who had the eyes to see, the mogul, Jordan Peterson, well, thankfully, I've determined that I also have the eyes to see because I see it. I see what it means now. Show me. You see it down in the, uh, down in the crooks? Look at, look at the reflection on the wall. Just the stained glass. Yes, you see that?

That looks like a shadow of a cathedral or whatever. Right. I mean, I knew that. I thought we were, okay, anyway. I think, though, he's just saying a dumb thing. also that's definitely what he means it is still a dumb thing but get this out please can i just point this out he is a benzo fiend and he's on a plane he's on an airplane where we're all benzofeans he might not remember this that makes me too prophetic when i take that i feel maybe he writes to that poetry

it's like being like if you were stoned and you saw a reflection through a water bottle and it looked kind of like a church silhouette or whatever you want to call it and you were high you know right on benzos yeah oh my god you know start acting like fucking west bentley and american beauty or whatever it's like if i could just overcome with the beauty that you see everywhere it also looks like two guys in the clan uh it does it does look like two clan members yeah okay well see talking about whether or not jordan peterson's cool well this one i asked earlier because again when you describe it even when you showed the picture which you just showed you just showed it to us briefly on your phone for the record.

You have your phone up. The whole time I thought the bottle was a cathedral or whatever is what. And that's why I was like, what? You know, but I, I, he's still an idiot. He's been playing a word all this whole goddamn time. I still, did you, did you know? You didn't know. Me?

No. Yeah. Okay. No. Dude, hell no. I didn't know either. I was just being funny earlier. I thought that was obvious.

I was like, oh, I knew. I didn't know, dude. I didn't know what the fuck he was telling me. I would have told you earlier. No, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't.

Hell know. I literally thought that dumb motherfucker was just being like, we could go to church in here if we were taney, you know, or whatever the fuck he says. That's what I'm, yeah, no, I didn't see him out of down. Honestly, it's worse for me now. Was that Kermit or Jordan Peterson? It's like, oh, it's lame shadow art. Dude, I really thought you were trying to get us to consider this bottle.

Fuck him, dude. I hope he died. Fuck him. I do it is worse. Yeah. It's Jamie Smithy. You know, my God. Like, why is Jaden Smith?

Mostly a laughing stock, right? You're just so stupid. I thought Jaden Smithy was a different person. I was like, is there something called Jaden Smithy? I'm so glad you said this because I had this written down in my notes to say. And I don't know if you'll agree with this. About Jason Smith? It's about Jaden?

No, about his daddy. Okay. Like, Trey, I don't have to worry about this because his kid's older. But Drew, have you thought about the day when, like, we're having to convince our child that there was a time when Will Smith, yes, that Will Smith was the coolest motherfucker on the planet. You have no idea. And they're just going to be like, yeah, right. And at one point, that would have been so inconceivable to me that he wouldn't just always be a badass.

Yeah, listen, it's me, and I know that about myself at this point. So I don't want this to come across like I'm doing some Bill Hicks thing, like you're pathetic and I'm the man. Like you My wife You You too You too my wife The whole world

Is this way And I'm not And so this is like No I've spent no time Considering any famous people ever Rich people Kings and Queens I don't give a fuck what Princess Diana did

Ever Did she have an only fan You might get me answers than that I know how that makes me sound I'm not claiming I'm the good guy here. So I have not spending any time to think about convincing Roscoe that Will Smith was cool. I probably won't. If it comes up, I'll just let him see him smacking Chris Rock.

And I'll tell him, hey, you see that guy? I won't say it's Chris Rock. I'll say that was Herman Kane. Will Smith slapped Herman Kane. And then it'll be over. Now, to be fair, I thought that was going to be just about Will Smith in particular. I thought you were going to, you were laid. to like fuck Will Smith

he's never hit for me but it was a much broader thing no hell no he's always hit for me I meant Drew I thought Drew he was leading up to specifically Will Smith instead of just all famous people yeah no he hits for me I just don't care

what Roscoe thinks about it yeah well that I mean I don't fucking either it's just you know it is kind of the it was the fucking what's the what's the uh what's the uh a phrase uh... it's a fucking allegory not an allegory is a goddamn uh hypothetical you know Yeah, but it's like, but it is, it is a less, it's a lower stakes, uh, more casual version of how the fuck am I supposed to explain to my kids that this bitch used to be a dude, you know?

Right. And it's like, well, you don't. You don't have to. Yeah, right. Like, you know, hey, hey, man, that bitch used to be a dude. Yeah, right. And, uh, that bitch over there smacked a guy one time. The thing is, though, with me and ban.

Then we don't get ice cream. It will come up one day because I'll be like drunk in the garage dancing to getting jiggy with it and he'll be like, who is this? And I'll be like, this is Will Smith. But that, but... But that, but... But he won't know. See, here's why I'm kind of skeptical that it will ever really come up, but I could

be wrong. Because he'll still be real famous and they'll know who he is? No, I, the opposite. What I'm saying is, I don't think... It seems to me like Will Smith, I, again, I was a kid in the 90s, so he was the man. The man. Huge fucking fan. Unreal. His run from the mid-90s

to the early 2000s is all-timer shit. Uh, you could argue he's been on at least something of a decline for 20 fucking years now and now ever since the slap it's just been a goddamn nose dive in this fucking album he just put out my God but anyway

so I'm saying you're living right now with Trey you're going to convince Trey before you convince your son you're going to convince you there Will Smith I don't think he's long for this pop culture world I could be wrong I mean fresh print now fresh prints is going to live on for a while

but that's the cool version of that what I'm saying I'm saying. You're right. The way you frame that question is it would be more like they would see him on Instagram rapping like present day. Yeah. And would be like, look at this fucking dork.

And then you have to be like, I know it's hard to believe. Yeah. That guy used to be the coolest guy alive. Yeah, that was my scenario. But I don't think it'll happen that way. I think like my kids have already seen Men in Black Independence Day.

I am legend. They know the hidden version of Will Smith. That's true. And they don't know what's going. Tracy and currently, and I'm not going to... It's up to you, Corey, to keep his fucking legacy alive through the eyes of your stunt. This whole thing was

just a, uh, uh, trying to me to wedge in. Can we talk about the declining Will Smith's quality? I just phrased it as that question. I'm not sitting the boy down. Let me say this. Oh, it's insane. It's hard to watch. Before I had called out on the internet, the picture you painted in the garage,

I could totally see that now. Me, hammer, drunk, it wouldn't be Will Smith, but there are scenarios, me hammered drunk in a garage and Roscoe comes in, what the fuck are you listening to? And I'm just glass-eyed and angry, you know what I mean? Because what if it's Skinnered and he says that? Let me tell you something about Ronnie Van Zant. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. But I don't think I'd care if he didn't care. Oh, he really care. It would make me feel old and shit and uncool, you know? Because the thing is, hell, them kids might see Will, like, actual cool version of Will Smith, but that looks stupid as fuck to them because it's old hip-hop shit. You know what I mean? The distance will be so far.

It'll circle back to cool. I mean, we're already getting the haircuts and the pants and the rappers have lyrics again. We're in a good time for pop culture. I think it's because everything sucks. Well, yeah, I'd say the Renaissance happened after the fucking famine or whatever. Not from a movie. It's just been just, I mean, bumbling creatively for a while. Well, I mean, the, the fucking, the later Bob Boys movies are, are, I'm talking about since the Slap.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. But, um, uh, but the Bad Boys movies, fuck, I thought, that last one I thought was fucking great. I absolutely loved it. So, at least there's that. I mean, I liked Bright and everybody said that sucked. I know, you know that I also loved Bright, but I just give up trying to convince anybody else that hit a lot. a long time ago because that movie got raped

but I was a big fan of it. That also was free slap. Look, here's what I'm saying. He, 90s to 2000s, top of the world. As a matter of fact, as he famously said, you know, North Pole got his butt coals sitting on top of the world.

To quote the man himself. And then got to a bruh, see, even back then there were signs he was gay. No, see, I'll get back to that in a minute, or at least I'll, I'll, try to, but, uh, but then in the mid-aughts, up until he fucking won that Oscar finally. Yeah. Like up until that moment, he made a lot of bad choices, you know.

He was supposed to be Django. He fucked that up. Neo. Even in the 90s, he was supposed to be Neo, right? And he fucked that up. And there was another one you just sent the other day that I didn't even know about. Some other huge franchise thing that he was supposed to be that he said no to because he didn't see it.

Yeah. And like, oh, it was Avatar, wasn't it? It might have been Avatar. I can't, I don't, it was something big. I don't know if it was an avatar. Because he would be a blue alien for most of that. Yeah, I don't think that one mattered. It wasn't.

But anyway. He said no to a lot of things. A lot of things he did do, they didn't really hit. He, like, he was just kind of meandering. Then he did King Richard and got an Oscar, and that should have been the start of the Will Assants, right? Will Smith Assents. Was that at the same night?

smacked? Yes, but that's, but he slapped Chris Rock that night. That's so crazy. And just since then he's he smacked Chris Lock that night, which put a spotlight on the whole weird ass situation with him and his marriage and Jada and that whole fucking wild shit. Oh my God. People knew about that, but after the slap, everybody knew about that. People were like, what the fuck is up with this shit? Then he, you know, again, the bad boys movies have hit, but they, he hasn't really, you know, gotten back on top cinematically and also he's had to rehab his image. Then he tried to go back to rap it and that has been absolutely disastrous. But like Drew just said a minute ago, I've had to reevaluate my own assessment of Will Smith

as a rapper from 30 years ago because I was 10 at the time. And it's like he was always at least a little bit corny, I think. By the way, is the movie he turned down. What? Inception was the movie he turned down because he said he didn't see it. And my point was like, you just have to know. Just Nolan. What do you mean?

Yeah, like, like, dog. That's why I thought it was like an avatar because I remember being like a James Cameron type. Like, you don't say no. I don't think it means I can't do it though. Yeah, he could. That's the thing. It's like he is, he's good. He's really good.

He's really good. He's awesome, dude. Let's also point out, well, I want to point out two things. One, he did also kind of try stand-up comedy. Now, he did it in a like, can you believe I'm doing this? We're going to highlight how hard it is. I don't even know that. fail so there was a safety net and he did it like on some platform yes some of our friends did

sat there wasn't he so was there wasn't he so was day boring that's the only project outside of their own that they got they've gotten to do together as far as i know outside of you know ones they've come up with herself um the other thing i want to say just in case people are i made a reference to what's going on but i feel like it sounded sound bite wise it sounded bad there's also just this thing where black internet constantly not all of them, but constantly are saying he's gay. Yeah. Which is very sad.

I don't care. Whatever, one way or the other. But it is like a strange thing that the success was masking. How many, you know, those voices. Like, there was, I think there was like a legitimate homophobic hate for him. But he was so killer. It didn't matter. And then his marriage starts to fall apart and his career go downhill.

And now they get to control the narrative. And they're like, everything I see these days. is like him doing a dance move over and over again and it looks kind of zesty quote unquote. Have you seen the rap like reels, the reels he's made for it from the hot girls? Well, he's got a whole album out. He's made a whole bunch of reels from various songs on the album.

And dude, they're everyone more cringe than the last. Well, one of them is about how much he likes hot girls. And one of the things I keep seeing is someone being like, you know, some joke along the lines of, yeah, this is what all straight dudes say. over and over again and say, come on, dog. Yeah. And then they cut to that guy.

Although. I've been delivered. I'm not gay. I don't like men's anymore. I don't like men's no more. That guy's out and proud now. Yeah. Did you see the follow-up video?

It was just as funny. He said, real funny, dude. He goes, I can't do this without sounding racist, dog. I can't. You can do it exactly right. You do it exactly how it sounds. He did a Zoom and they were like, so how goes it on the road to not be in a queer anymore or whatever, however they framed it? And he's like, oh, I love it.

He goes, I eat them girls up like the camel noodle soup. Camel noodle soup. Yeah. Somebody did this remix where he's just going camel noodle soup. Camel noodle soup. I don't like me ears no more. I am delivered. Okay.

What I'm saying, there's been like later him being like. Yeah, I was lying. He wasn't gay or that he went to women. He's gay. Yeah. Yeah. Which would, yeah, naturally. It's pretty bad.

It would have been wilder. I will say, because again, I'm, again, massive fucking fan of Will Smith for most of my entire life. Again, I'm watching this sadly what's been happening. Me too. That's what I'm in. But I thought he went on something and did a freestyle and it probably wasn't an actual. But I would, for the rest of it. For the record, like, what percentage of purported freestyles are legitimately freesty?

I'd say not a lot anymore. Not right. Because the bar's been set too high that you're too nervous. So I don't think it was accepted. I think it's not that you're off the top of the dome. It's that you didn't know what people are going to do. Yeah, right. So, right.

Well, so I don't think it was like a full on actual freestyle, but it was presented as such. He went on some radio show and did a freestyle. Yeah, it wasn't bad, though. No, I was about to say. Yeah. I thought that was kind of fire. Yeah, I think he could still go. That made me wonder, like, how.

these other songs ended up the way that they did. Because that was actually really good, but I don't know. It's a question I think, this is just like a nerdy rap thing. Do we compare that to other actors or other rappers? That's how it comes down and whether or not it's fire for me. If you compare that to Russell, I think it's Park. Yeah, yeah, Russell Park. This is great because he's an actor.

Right. Shia LaBeouf, Labov, however you say his name. Yeah. Not good until you realize it's fucking Shia La Boveth and you're like, yeah, that was actually incredible. That was eight straight minutes.

Like, that's unbelievable. Yeah, it's like the us of staying a smart thing. To me, if you then compare him to like Simba or some of these young guys who've like kind of perfected the art of freestyle, they changed the beat every 30 seconds and they match their flow. It's like, all right, it was fine. To me. Yeah, had it not been Will Smith,

I probably wouldn't have given it a second thought, but I wouldn't have been seeing it anyways, I guess. But I guess that's the question then, though. Like, obviously he's more of an actor than a rapper, but how do you gauge that? Like, when you hear his song, are you like, damn, this rapper sucks or, man, that actor shouldn't have done that? No, I hear you because, like, you know,

I could listen to Kiefer Sutherland's band live because there's Kiefer Sutherland, but, you know, because I'm like, oh, that's cool. Bill Smith, you know, I mean, he literally started as a famous rapper. No, I know, but you do lose a step or the game passes you. But I'm just saying it isn't exactly the same as like a vanity project for an actor generally. Because he started in rap and had hits and was famous as a rap. He did.

Like a clean family-friendly rapper. More of a movie star than he is rapper. Right. Are you guys aware of Steve from Stranger Things being a top build headlining festival act at this point? Like DJ? No, he's like an indie sleaze. Oh, he's the. Joe Kiri?

You're saying Joe Kiri? Yeah, it looks like Adam Scott. His name that he goes by when he sings is DJO and I think you pronounce it Joe. So is that him? I don't know. I don't know. Steve and Changer thing's name is Joe Keary.

It is definitely Steve. Corey was the one who was throwing me off. Is it to this? I don't remember. But it's definitely whoever plays Steve. And when it first, like, I first heard that, I listened to the music and I was like, oh, this is pretty good.

And I didn't think, you know, I wondered, did someone else produce it for him? And he just sang on it. I don't know the answer to any of that. What happened to me two days ago was there's a new venue in Asheville called Ashville Yards. And they're like, they hold quite a few people. So I wanted to see who they had coming up because I was thinking about going up there for my birthday. And I see this guy, Joe and the other names are familiar to me.

Like they're big names. So I'm like, who the hell is this guy? And then I see his headlining festivals and then I figure out who he is. So I went and played some of the music. Not my thing. It's like I said, it's indie sleys. I think it's how you describe it's like, um, I don't listen to that stuff.

So the only thing I got is like it's kind of like Father John Misty, but a little more pop. But apparently people in that world are like, no, it's really, really, really good. And he was a musician before he ever acted. I did not know that. At least making the attempt on the internet is to like give him his props. His head very square. Yeah, no, I didn't know that.

I had no idea. He did music. I know, you know, Idris Elba is, like, a big DJ, but I, but is he a DJ like, like, does he, right? Yeah, that's what I want to know too. Like, is he just standing up there and hitting,

or is he actually, right? You know, making the hits. What is the, what do you, is there a different word for that? Like, is he a DJ like he's making his own shit? Live mixing is what, there you go. Is the first level the purists are after.

Now, there's levels above that that they're after too. And a lot of the people now, days are the top ones they like will play a synth keyboard while mixing so they're literally making music while they mix their own music but at the very

you're expected to mix live that shit's insane when you say it done well but what does that mean like is Shaq combining two songs sure could I learn that in five months yes so like there's levels to that too but so like what is Calvin Harris

would you not also call him a DJ? I'm not super familiar with Calvin Harris. I know that. He's definitely one of the biggest ones on the planet. He's like, I think he either dated or worked with or both Taylor Swift for a while years. He's like, he's a list in that world for sure. Yeah. But he's up there with like David Guetta and like Tiesto before.

Is David Guetta the one that dropped? Bichi died. Avichy. He's like on that level of dudes. Well, let me talk about some that I do know. Those guys, are they DJs or are they something different? I think, no, those are all DJs, the ones that I recognize. Let me tell you about someone I do know.

John Summit. John Summit is a very popular DJ currently. He has people sing on his tracks, but he also, if he's the one I'm thinking of, sings, he'll play percussion live sometimes, and he'll play his keyboard. Odessa, who I love, is a band that has a DJ in the band live mixing on stage.

Rufus DeSoe is Andy's favorite band. I've seen him live twice. The second time I saw him was one of the best shows I've ever seen. They're a band with a DJ who mixes live. So, like, that's kind of where that stuff. You know what I mean? It's like all evolving. Is David Gwetta, the dude that dropped the beat on the George Floyd?

Yeah. Shout to his family. And then fucking, um, fucking, uh, fucking, uh, yeah. But, so like, if you look up Calvin Harris on Wikipedia, it says, Calvin Harris is a Scottish DJ record producer, singer and songwriter. Right? So I would just call it. he's like a famous DJ, but he don't, he doesn't, he like makes his songs and music.

He uses his sense or whatever else, but he, you know, and most of like marshmallow and fucking people, then bass, uh, nectar. Yes, but I was actually dead mouse and all those dudes. They like, they like create music, right? They do from sample typically. Okay. You know what I just thought of it? Is Iberus Elba doing more of a girl party thing where.

It's just like mixing songs together into other things that hit, you know? I have no idea, but my guess is he's doing what they do, but in a way that's a lot simpler. I could be wrong, but what I would assume is it's like someone who joins a rock band, like in the vein of Billy Bob Thornton, and they know how to play three chords and sing, so they are the front man of that band, and they are actually playing guitar.

but Andy could play those three chords and well she's better than me I'll say I could probably do it you know what I mean Trey tell me your uh we got to go but tell me no wait no we don't yeah we do uh tell me your pitch again I can't remember exactly how it went for the dead mouse mr butt crossover oh it was just mr butt mr butt as a just DJ butt who had a dead mouse style helmet but in the shape of a butt of a butt cheek in and that had a like a little fan thing in the middle where the butt hole goes that when the beat drops he put in like baby powder shoots out of the butthole like you know as the lights go off and the beat drops behind him if they had given us a show i would have been dj but in that sketch and it would have been the most fun i've ever had

in my life well where are you going to be this week drew anywhere yeah i'm going to be in knoxville july 25th, so that's in a couple of weeks. I'm going to be in Nashville, the two days or three days after that, I think. I'll post it. I think I just got Chattanooga for the fall. I was trying to get it next year, and it looks like somebody dropped or something. So I'll be announcing Chattanooga soon.

Word. Trey. If you listen to this when it comes out, Wednesday, July 9th, tonight, come see me in Largo if you're in Los Angeles. And then this weekend, I'll be in Tulsa. Then after that, San Diego, then Des Moines, Omaha, Kansas City, Indianapolis, St. Louis.

in Austin, Texas, not necessarily in that order, but that's the next spree of things coming up. Just go to Treycroutor.com and get tickets to come save me. Please, for the love of God, please. Do it. Do it. Corey Rionforster.com to tickets to see me in Lexington and Charlottesville, Virginia. And also, thank you all for listening to the Well Red Show.

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