wellRED podcast - Savanner Buhnanners, Chappell Roan, and the N Word

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

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this episode of the podcast. They're the... Well, here we are on the well-red podcast. No intro this week, unless Cho adds it after the fact. Because Corey is not with us. Just me and Drew this particular week. It's kind of ironic.

Not ironic. I'm not ironic. at the beginning on Sunday of this week, I didn't think I was going to be on any of my podcast this week because of shit I have going on. I ended up randomly getting freed up today, Tuesday. So now I'm doing this one, which is fine. But I also now have,

I had to find someone to cover for Corey on our other one because he's not going to be on it either. And it's like, damn, I was supposed to be the one not doing shit. Then just the 11th hour, you're just like, hey, I ain't doing shit either. And now I just,

I got to do shit again, you know yeah i hate that this is the opposite of when your friend cancels plans on you last minute and you're free because you already freed the space it's reversed you know that that's exactly you're exactly right and that as you know john milani aptly described as like heroin for adults uh having plans canceled and so yeah this is the opposite it's the opposite of heroin for adults this is work i mean i guess literally yeah i was going to say something else about it but i can't remember now what it was. Oh, right. Because of that whole situation, you did skews this week. You've already done it, but it's not, as we are recording this, it hasn't come out yet. Matt will post it tonight

at Five Pacific. But how was that? I had a good time. Mark said, well, yeah, you're more cynical to me, and I swear it put a chill to my own ones. Yeah, well, I don't know if that's true. Maybe he meant in a specific way about what we were talking about, but it really kind of made me shudder like, oh no. Yeah, Mark. I'm shitting on the oligarchs. Mark knows this, but like lately, people that watch skews that come to my shows on the road

that are in the meet and greet line afterwards, so many of them over the past few months have been like, you know, hey, is Mark, is Mark okay? Is Mark doing all right? I'm kind of getting worried about Mark. He seems even more, you know, bitter and Marky, I guess. I'm not telling that he's just like glass it off.

But no, I know. That's exactly what it is, I think. But like, yeah, it's funny. I don't know what Mark snapping would look like. I mean, I don't want to see it. But I think there's some suggestions his way. I really think you're going to be like not surprised at all. That's how the episode went.

Yeah. Because we talked about, and I want to be clear on here and I was clear on there. no one was saying that Elon should be shot. But we were talking about that mess he's got going on down in Texas with that town. He's trying to like be the mayor of. Takeover or something. Yeah. And I was like, he's going to get shot.

Mm-hmm. You know? And I was trying to get marked a gamble with me. Yeah. Speaking of gambling, how many people that get down on their luck, you think in the near future, white people, are going to be like, well, you know, if nothing else, I can go down to the nearest public park and call a five-year-old to N-word.

And maybe that will get us out of this mess. That'd be kind of a funny parody movie of like a pursuit of happiness or a Cinderella man type situation. You know what I mean? Like a parent is like at the very end of their rope, like, struggling mightily to keep it together. And they take one last swing. And it works out in the end.

doing that, but it's calling it calling a baby the end word. So. On a swing. Yeah. Did you guys talk about that? Well, yeah, a little. I connected her to I don't even remember what we were discussing.

I mean, I think I said this on there, but I keep thinking about her accountant. And I'm not the first person to like bring that question up, but like, Oh, that's what it was. Mark was talking about these cats filing with the SEC that they bought $20 million worth of Trump memes in an attempt openly to bribe the president, to win influence with the president. And I was just like, it's a new day for accountants.

Like, the era we are living in has me feeling sorry for some evil people. That was the theme of that episode yesterday for me. It was like, yeah, I feel bad for the CIA. hey, Trump's giving their games away. He's shutting down USA. He's like, what's all this millions of dollars for condoms? And I'm like, that is how they do coos. And they're over there like, this dude thinks we didn't think of this.

Like, he really thinks he invented this shit. So we talked about her in that light. Like, there's accountants out there who aren't good people, but I do feel bad for him because the new level of evil, they're like, guys, I'm all about doing evil and writing it off. But we've got to be slightly less blatant. right so I'm sure most of you all listen do know but if you don't know even know what we're talking about a lady in Minnesota called a five year old the N word five year old black kid the N word specifically

a Somali child I reckon because this was in Minnesota where there's a lot of Somali immigrants a full grown Somali man saw this pulled out his phone started recording her and was like did you just call that kid the N word and she's like yeah he is he is a and she's not saying the N word she's literally saying the N word you know what I mean so yeah it's because he is one so are you Europe and then she just starts repeating it over and over and over as she walks away and this the guy posted that video started going viral so then she's like

of course I'm being persecuted by the woke mob and so she posted a go fund me which raised what between half a million and a million dollars or something last we checked yep and so it's funny I try I wanted to try to make I'm sure people have already made bits like this about how like there's

so you know Morgan Wallen famously said the N-word and then rocketed to the top of the country charts I forget his name but I've got it in my note somewhere there's a NASCAR driver who got caught saying the N-word on live stream in the next year he won his first neck the cup what's the cup called now in NASCAR oh I don't know is it not the Winston Cup anymore

oh buddy it ain't been the Winston Cup for years it became the Sprint Cup but I think now it's like the fucking Nextel cup or something or like that might be the lower one like Bush and Winston with back where that's not the hits that's when things still head. Is it called White's only cup? But let's see. I think it's yeah, I guess it's just called the cup series, which is boring. The NASCAR, it's just the NASCAR cup, I guess.

Yeah. That sucks because it's not. He didn't win. He won on his own. I know that I know. That one kind of messes things up because it's like he earned it. But it is still. It's funny to point it out, though, that, like, you know, apparently it's very lucrative.

Maybe God's racist. Yeah. Unless all of the other white drivers were like, like, he's really just competing against Bubba. All the other white drivers are like, we got to let this dude win. Right. That would be funny. Okay. So, all right.

It, all right. It was the Winston Cup when we were kids. Holy shit. I said, I think it's the next L Cup now. it actually became the Nextel Cup after the Winston Cup, and that happened in 2004. And then in 2008, it became the Sprint Cup, which it was until 2016.

And I don't remember this at all. But from 2017 to 2019, it was the Monster Energy Cup. Which, you know, that's almost as good as Winston, I would argue. Those Papo didn't have a Monster Energy Cup, line on. Has it ever been the Spit Cup? they the spit cup that would be good that they order to give that a shot but it's it is now just called the NASCAR cup because and you might think it's like oh because they've look at them

rejecting corporate whoredom or whatever but it's actually that and I don't know how they got everybody to agree to this instead of just having one sponsor that is named after they now have three corporate sponsors all at the same time but they must all pay less because it's just called the NASCAR cup so none of them get named rights but bush coca cola and ex finity are the current corporate sponsor primary corporate sponsors hey man that's the perfect weekend right there you're talking about here yeah well you know the under the like minor league of the winston cup was always the bush cup which i you know Winston and the you know by the way is that what the big came from beer and cigarettes and that's fucking great i

don't know maybe i i no surely not bush league's probably older than that i would think You're looking it up? Yes. But anyway, it's just funny that it became lucrative for a while to say the, well, I say for a while, it's actively ongoing to say the N-word in public. And I was wondering, like, if you, if someone, you think if someone in a position similar to me got caught saying the N-word and then, like, attempted a pivot from that, it would be, like, even more lucrative, or it would be, like, even more lucrative, or it would. fail, you know, just half a better thing. I think you'd have to do it differently.

I think you'd have to be like, I've carried water for these people for years. Yeah. Yeah, both blacks and wokes. And look how easily they throw me away and blah, blah, blah. That'd be like the Kielstein move? I don't know if you are familiar with Jamie Kielstein's work. Is he, he's a Christian now? I don't know if he's a Christian.

I know he's been like going on legions of skanks. and trying to like own up to it like yeah man like i was pretending to be a guy i wasn't like yeah no shit because i got caught up in the fame and it felt good and basically was like feeding into this narrative that like i didn't do anything wrong other than when i was pretending to be a good guy that was my sin so i'm sure a lot of people listen don't know who he is he's a comedian jami kilstein who like had a popular lefty podcast he made you look like a fucking nazi yeah he was like it was like very hardcore inner women he says with a logo of his face behind him i mean he was insufferable yes like a like a lefty panderer extraordinaire uh who also it was like

a was a stand-up comedian and he was like popular for a little bit there and then he got me-toed right that was during the me-to thing he was he was part of that he got heavy dose of the me-to not like a drunken bad interaction, like a total like, you work for me. Don't you ever, don't you want to be famous? If you fuck this up for me, I'll, you know, ruin you. And then that pretty much burnt him.

Like, he didn't pivot at that point and his lefty audience was like, this guy's a fraud. So fuck him. And he kind of bottomed out. And I guess you are, I thought I had heard he's like a Christian now, but I don't even remember where I heard that. But now you're saying that he's like, so he's out, he's out there trying to,

you know to apologize flip over to the other side and try to give that a shot he's trying to apologize for being the first guy he's basically like I realized now that I was like

real self-righteous and the only reason I did that is it was working and it just felt good and blah blah blah but even to to their credit like I saw that on like legions of skanks

and maybe one other podcast to their credit that crowd was like nah fuck this guy now I think it was less this dude's a rapist Fuck this guy. And more,

this dude don't have any backbone. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yes, you probably correct. The great prophet, Norm McDonald, once said in the opposite direction. You know, they say hypocrisy is the worst part of what Cosby did, but I think it was the rape. The reason that joke is so funny is because the reverse is, I think, true for most people.

if they don't think deeply about it. In terms of their initial reaction, Jamie Kielstein was not accepted into any group as he tried to, like, redo his image because people were like, this guy's a hypocrite. Not because people were like this dude is a sexual assault. Right. I couldn't remember if it was...

So it was sexual assault. I could remember if it was that versus, like, you know, like abuse, meaning like... Yeah. He mistreated people horribly all the time. I can't remember either. I was just trying to make that point about like hypocrisy versus the crime. I think that he, I think it was like both, but the sexual assault,

I feel like it was like, sorry I got drunk and tried to follow you last night, but if you tell anyone, I'll ruin you, but I could be wrong. Yeah, I did look it up, Bush League. I assumed or had known somewhere in my subconscious that it was baseball, where it comes from, you know, the minor league, they got a ton of minor league teams. The lowest level single A minor league teams are often in pretty bum-fucky places. And apparently,

a hundred damn years ago, like the sticks or the boonies, they called that the bush. Like they do in Australia. Right. But I, yeah, but like in other,

to me, I knew other places they had the bush, but I always thought that meant like, you know, fucking jungles are out like harsh terrain. not like Salina Not West Virginia Yeah right exactly

But yeah I just meant like the boonies At the turn of the 20th century The Bush was a word for very rural areas And there were lower level minor league teams In some of those towns in those areas And that they became known as The Bush League or the Bush

Should sponsor Bush leagues Yeah I mean they probably do I bet But I mean they should like not They should not shy away from that and they should all be like the Savannah bananas or whatever their call where they do all the weird shit. You know what I'm talking about that minor league team that has the pitchers in the unison

dancing? Yes. Well, if you thought, you know, the Bush leagues, these are like 1A minor league teams. So these guys like, they're trying to make it to the show eventually. They're not going to do. Savannah bananas ain't that. They're not going to do cartwheels on the mound and stuff. They're trying to like achieve their dream.

I thought the Savannah bananas played people who are trying to make it to the show. I think that they do. Sometimes, I don't know if they play minor league teams. I think that must make them fucking so mad. I think that maybe they play like colleges or like that type of, like, and not big one, not like South Carolina. Like fucking, uh, uh, what, Carson Newman or somewhere. Is that, is that a, that's definitely a college. Maybe, yeah.

Lenore Ryan is the one I was thinking of. One of those, I think, is a women's school. I don't know if I don't know if they're having a baseball team. I almost went there because they tried to. to recruit me and you're not allowed to even hold hands on campus. And even for your little FCA president boy here, I was like, no. But for some context for some people, the Savannah Bananas, I think that's what they're called, are some sort of professional or semi-professional baseball team that does a lot of

hygings during the game. The only combat I think of is the Harlem Globet. Yeah, they're the Harlem Globetrotters of baseball, yes. But they don't play other real teams. they do. I guess that'd be silly. They'd be like the Harlem Globetrotters being in the G League. Well, they, but the Harlem Globetrotters used to, and I think

eventually they stopped, and apparently that the bananas are going to stop. I just read, starting this year in, well, starting next year in 2026, the bananas will have a whole league called the Banana Ball Championship League, and there's going to be six teams

that all play that goofy type of baseball. And they're all going to tour around and have their own little their own little league, but it's all, so apparently they got, and they've been, since 2023, they have entirely been playing exhibition games

against their partner touring teams. There were three, there's going to be six in the future, but the existing three are the party animals, the firefighters, and the Texas tailgators. Where are they located? Savannah, Georgia.

All of them. Oh, oh, that, yeah, I guess that I don't know. I'm going to join one of these other teams. Yeah, I think they are all, I think they do all reside in Savannah, Georgia. I'm going to join that team, one of them. I don't want to be on the bananas. That's too much pressure.

I want to be like the firefighters. Well, they, I was going to say, I didn't know. I had a, I was in, I had seen their clips on TikTok and stuff, and I knew that they existed, but I thought they were like a, like a local attraction in Savannah, you know, that, like, like one of the things that, that you go to in Pigeon Forge or something. and then I went to but I man it's it TikTok fucking it is wild how

I mean obviously I've lived it myself but like for a bit an entire business like going viral on the internet or on TikTok or whatever it's insane the effect it can have because I was in Oklahoma City at the same time the bananas were there for like a three day stretch

and dude all of downtown O KC was fucking yellow like their shit was everywhere. They did like three or four games there over the course of the weekend sold out every one of them in the Oklahoma City Minor League Stadium, which I think the Oklahoma City minor league style. I think that's like a AAA team, so it's not tiny.

They sold out every one of them three or four, and there's just like kids running around in bananas gear all over the place. I mean, they're fucking huge, and I did not realize that. And the other one, also I went to a Buckees recently, right? Yeah. I did not know. Because we went back in the day, we first started to her, we went to a couple Buckeys, and they were just like, they were just like a loves or something.

They were just like a big. Oh, that doesn't sound right to me. We definitely went to Buckees. And it was smaller? The first one I remember. It was nothing like, I mean, dude, they were, no, they were wild, but not like, dude, I went to this Buckees like three weeks ago, and it was like fucking the Disneyland of convenience stores or whatever.

My dad says it's like the beach. without the water. And that's because my dad's only ever been to like strip mall beaches. What he was, what he was saying is this is Myrtle Beach with no ocean. It just definitely was not like that when we went before. Yeah. And then they went viral and now it's like, it's whatever, a cultural phenomenon.

It's all bad don't go hits in there. And I'm not saying they don't scroll, but it's not like they did go viral and there is a whole thing like their billboards are trying to like pull in Gen Z and Gen Z. Yeah, they got that like, Gen Z slang on all their billboards and stuff. But there's booms there too. Like there's, I mean like it's like shock full of it.

Right. Yeah, but I still think A, I mean, boomers be, if it, you know, a lot of the other platforms, things just move around. You don't know what I mean? Something like goes viral on TikTok, somebody will, somebody on Facebook will then steal it and put it on Facebook and it'll pop off there too. Have you know about the Japanese UT Vaul bar? What? No. I want to say in Oonaka, but I'm somewhere, maybe Tokyo.

Who fucking knows. I mean, a lot of people do. This guy who went to UT, I think only for a year, opened up a University of Tennessee theme bar. He's got a few other SEC school swag in there, but he's a ball in heart. Is this a wide? American guy or black is this an American guy or is this a Japanese guy okay who came to American went to UT for one year I think he may have went for all four but I

think he just went to it for a year and he went back there and opened up a UT themed bar and he had it for a while and eventually something clicked and caught on and now he posted the other day if you're coming with a big group you've got to let me know in advance so I can quote get some friends to help me out he just it's a small very small bar and he runs it by himself. Okay, well, that makes more sense. And he's being overwhelmed. Yeah, I was about to say, I just can't imagine that working.

I got like, I don't think it did for a while. Right, because UT themed, meaning like they watched the football games and stuff over there. And I mean, basketball games too and whatever, but like, I mean, I remember one of the funnest sports watching experiences I've ever had, even though we fucking, of course, blew it at the end and lost was, uh, I went to a UT bar. in Manhattan when we were there. I think it's when we were there doing our serious show. It was the same day that we went to that Sturgle concert,

and I cried the whole time and got hammered. I mean, Corey fed each other fucking gravy chicken crumbs with our fingers in the cab with Craig. Yeah, that day. Earlier that day, we played Texas A&M, and I went to a UT bar in Manhattan that I just Googled and found, and it was fucking awesome. it's just, you know, covered with orange and everybody in there's. And they have shit like that in every,

or not every city, but like, you know, in New York, you know. But I love having that kind of thing, but I would not have thought fucking Osaka or Tokyo or anywhere, Kyoto. I mean, I think that feeling you have is part of what made it go viral. And then I guess there's just enough tourists there who, if not their UT fans are like SEC fans. Because like I said, there's like, he's got one Vanderbilt flag. I mean, I'll send you his profile later,

but the reason I brought it up is he is at times now overwhelmed because of something that went viral. Yeah, it'd be like that. Do be like that. I drink some orange sake. You like sake? I haven't had sake in a long time, but I remember it was,

that's how I had sake was when I was still drinking like a lot. So, of course, it hit for me. And I think I had it. You often, I mean, you don't have to, but it's often served warm, right? Yeah, I prefer it chilled. Yeah, I'm a cold drink guy, but I do think I tried warm sake. There's a friend of mine. It's wine, right?

Rice wine is what sake is. Yeah, well, a lot of times it's like, it's real strong wine. What's wine's percentage usually? I don't know. Is it like 20 or something? I don't know what it is. Oh, I don't know what wines is. I mean, hard liquor is like 40, right?

And beers are five to 10. So I'm just assuming wine is like 20. I thought wine was like 12 and sake was like 20 to 25. But regardless, we're in the right area of describing it. Oh yeah, no, you're right. Wine is between 11 and 14. Damn, I thought it was. And I think Saki was heavy than that.

I didn't realize that like strong beer is not that much less than wine. Now, it is a little stronger, but it says sake typically has alcohol content raging from 13 to 17%. Nice. Stronger than most wines, less potent. spirits. But a friend of mine is constantly eating sushi and having sake and I've been getting into it with him some when I see him. But it reminded me of something. I wish Corey was here, but I won't, I've been one to tell you guys both about this. Obviously, accent comedy is not du jour. It's not a in right now. What do you mean? Well, it, like doing an accent as the bit.

it faded because people are like, well, that's racist. And you go, why is it racist? And you go, because the whole point of that bit was, don't these people talk dumb? Okay, but you don't mean, because I, you know, I mean, I do a lot of voices. But I don't do, I mean, I don't do big chunks of any given act I'm doing. There's going to be at least two or three voices in it, but they're almost exclusively white people. I feel like you give my pushback. That's okay.

I feel like I express something incorrectly. Do you think people still do Spanish or Chinese voices? No, that's, you just said access. comedy and I was just said you mean specifically like yeah imitating another race imitating another accent and then that's why it's funny right but but an accent of someone who's a different race

like you can do fucking French or Scottish or whatever you can but I feel like there you have it has to be part of a joke I mean part of the reason the accent comedy as I'm defining it faded is because oftentimes there was no bit it was just say a funny voice

And that's why it was racist because it was like, oh man, the whole joke here is just that Japanese people talk fun. I've got a whole thing about being in Scotland right now and I do the Scottish Brog throughout a big chunk of it and it's like Right. And there's a British guy who pops up

so I do a British accent too and it's... And I don't know what I need to say to make you that this is not about you or your bit that I've never heard before. I know it's not about me but I'm just saying you're like you're making me think like it just So you seem to make a blanket statement, accents are out. You can't do accents no more. And I'm saying that what is out is the whole bit is,

I mean, I think this is like universally accepted. Like, I mean, I go to comedy shows. This is true. Almost no one's doing Johnny's accent because of the backlash of people doing Chinese accent as the whole bit. Right. Yes. The point I'm making, though, is I accept that.

That's fine. I have no argument against that generally. and I have no desire to do Japanese accent. But we got Razzie a book that has the picture and the word and then the word in Japanese. And he's doing it in Japanese accent. And it's the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. And I don't think the only reason it's funny is the Japanese people talk funny. But watching a little white baby who can barely talk at all go,

as he runs through the kitchen Maru Baru is on fire but yeah but the right well that's what I was about to say is like it's an uncomfortable

reality that like a lot of their words and stuff like sound that way you understand what I'm saying like just like a baby just reading Japanese words it's going to sound like he's doing the like racist Japanese accent because of the way that their words be. That's what I'm saying too.

It's like, I don't think I taught him that accent, right? Right. I think that like, he and his mom were reading a book and she's like, Ball. And by the way, Ball has nine syllables for my Appalachian ass son. It's one of his favorite words. It's the second or third word he ever said. And he'll go, bow. Yeah.

Bowled. And then she goes, Baru, and he'll go, Baru. And it's so Japanese. It's so fucking unbelievably Japanese. But that's the other kind of question, though, isn't it? It's where it's like when it comes to doing, and this is different because I'm talking about speaking another language. But it's like to be fluent, if you're trying to, and again,

this is not the same as doing an accent. But if you're trying to speak another language, you're supposed to attempt the, like, the proper accent. for it, right? Or else you're butchering it. Like, to be fluent in, in like, Spanish, you got to kind of try to imitate the way that, like, a Spanish person says Spanish, but it's not how I would say it with my own accent. So it's like, you've got to either do it all the way Spanish or all the way yourself. I think. Like, you got to be like, Como, Ustas, Oste de. See, like, that don't have for nobody, is what I'm saying.

No, fuck you. That's hilarious. Well, yeah, no, yes. It's funny, but I mean, it's like, but if you try to go Spanish. It's not a good attempt. But if you try to go Spanish, no, I know it's not a good attempt, but I don't think it offends anyone. I think if you try to go Spanish

and you don't quite get it, no, if you don't quite get it, they'll be forgiving. But if you're just not getting it, I think that's also offensive. Do you agree with that? I don't know. I think if you're making,

if they think you're just making an honest attempt at doing it because you're just asking them a question and they speak Spanish or something, I don't think it's going to piss anybody. off. I don't think. Maybe I just even off. It just looks. Like, I just feel like you got to come close to

nail on it if you're going to try to do the accent. Well, so it's like, you know, you just walk into like a canteena and fucking Cozumel or something and you're going to ask there the bathroom is, which is Banjos, right? So it's like, what do you go a banios or do you go banos? You know what I go?

I go, uh, banio. Okay. So you do the first thing. I think so, yeah. Because I don't know. If I think if I knew the whole sentence, I'd do it. How do you say, where is the bathroom? Donde estates, where do you, I did, don't they start those, but don't there's those, but you can just say banos, because you could

also just say bathroom, you know, like if you didn't speak English. Yeah. So normally that, I said normally that's what I do. I'm literally just thinking of the last time I was in Mexico. I think I don't do it because it feels like a put on because I don't speak Spanish. So it almost feels like I don't want anyone to think I'm fluent because I'm not.

And then that'll make it feel soon. I totally get that because I know that also a lot of times people would be like, you know, people in El Banyo. People in most of those places are bilingual. And I think for a lot of them, it's like just don't, just don't. You know what I mean? Like, let's just, I can speak English. Let's just speak English.

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But back in the day, though, what about But Rock's little sister, the 2000s era, pop punk? You know, like, Fallout Boy Panic at the disco, good Charlotte, fucking All-American Rejects. That was,

them's was my dudes, one of them. I like them a lot. You know, there was a bunch more. As far as I know, simple playing, yellow card.

One way or the other with those. I fucking hate good Charlotte. I love panic at the disco. Okay. I mean, I think with Pop anything for me, like I think Chappell Rhone is unbelievable. Unbelievable. I wouldn't piss on Taylor Swift if she was on fire.

Now, I can't tell you the difference other than one hits for me and one don't. You know what I mean? So with Pop Punk, I don't know why I like Panic at the Disco so much and I cannot stand some of those

other bands that you named I love, did you say Take It Back Sunday? I love them. Did you say them? I didn't, but that, yeah, they're, that's, they fucking rule. But what about, were you at on, All-American Rejects?

You like them? What's their hits? A dirty little secret. Yes. My favorite is move along by them. I don't know that one, by name but dirty little secret I'll make you my dirty

little see hell yeah dude yeah yeah well I have found that pop so you know having a Peloton has made me listen to I was gonna say listen to a lot of music I never otherwise would but that's not true with pop but when all this shit was out and I was a teenager and 20 or whatever I mean I listen to this shit

if you know but like I've revisited some of it because of the Peloton because for some and these types of things are just real good bike riding songs. My favorite stuff is like pop punk songs or like Bon Jovi and that type of shit. Bon Jovi, every Bon Jovi song

goes hard on a stationary bike. There's a yacht rock ride that I tried and I didn't love it for some reason. I didn't think they curated it well. They don't do a lot of yacht rock. But my favorite, you know, every ride has a genre and my favorites to do are either 2000s rock, that's

butt rock, pop punk or like 80s or 90s rock after that or just classic rock or something. No hip-up on the bike rides. Rap don't do it. I know that a lot of people do disagree strongly. Like if Katie rode the bike, which she doesn't,

even though she's the one that bought it, I'm sure she would opt mostly for hip-hop rides, but I don't know I don't know how to explain it. It just don't, for me, just don't hit right. There's like a rhythm to it. There's also like there's certain songs

are better for certain types of, you know, you crank the resistance up and do like a climb, like you're climbing through the mud or you turn it down and you go real fast on a sprints. You do sprints,

you do climbs in some songs. Of course, it's just like the beat or the rhythm, right? But like move along. It's also how it makes you feel, I think, right? Like I would not want to ride a bike to metal, but I'll work out the metal. metal is almost all I lift weights to but uh like move along that's not a beat thing that's a mood

thing absolutely but on the bike it is a beat thing move the chorus of move along by all american rejects is perfect for sprinting and then give me give me a bit of it come uh uh speak daffey when all you got to keep is strong move along move along like i know you do even when the hope is gone move along, move along just to make it through. Yeah, dude. And then, uh, fucking... Can you go back and name some of the bands? Because there's one more I hated other than the one I called out.

I hated good Charlotte. There was one more I couldn't fucking stand. Yellow card? No, they were fine. Yeah. They're, uh, let's say. Um... You already mentioned them.

Oh, I did. Uh, and I was like, ooh, I hate... Fallout, boy? Cannot stand fucking fallout boy, dude. I wish they'd fall out a goddamn window, boy. Yeah, they're kind of a guilty pleasure of mine. I find them kind of annoying, but actually kind of, they kind of can't. They got a song.

I don't like the way they name their songs and shit, but you said you love Panic at the Disco and they do a similar thing. It both feels like- Doesn't what bothers me. I don't know how they name their songs. The same way Panic at the Disco does, which is like fucking R.D. and esoteric for its own sake, sort of. Like Panic at the Disco is like, I write sins, not tragedies.

There's a, hell yeah, that rules. a perfect jogging. There's also jogging. There's like heavy climb, jogging, sprinting, a perfect jogging song on the bike

is a fallout boy song called My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark. So like, but there is just, I don't see how that's any different. How is that? One sounds mysterious and interesting and the other one sounds

in Sally and horrible. Like one is a better, it's better poetry. I write sins not tragic. is way better poetry than my songs know what you did in the dark. Yeah, but you just have to hear it, though. Maybe, but without hearing it, I stand by what I just said,

that if you just took someone who didn't never heard of either of them, but they were like, well, a poetry major, they would agree with me that I write that tragedy is less corny and more mysterious. That's those two specific songs, though. Both of those bands do that, like, across the board.

Yeah, but one is better at it than the other. Yeah, I don't know. I'm annoyed by both of them. I like both of those bands, and I'm annoyed by how both of them title their songs and shit. I know I talked about it on Gravy Baby, and we talked about Panic at the Sitgo on here? I think so, yeah, didn't we?

I know me and you talked about it recently, and it was on like a Zoom, so I assume it was doing a podcast, but... Right, right, right, right. Well, I'm a big, big mark for Panic at the Disco, and I hate Fallout Boy, And I, just like with, like, Chapel and Taylor, I don't, I don't, I'm not in the genre enough to be able to tell you why. Well, hasn't Chapel been taking some hate license lately for being, uh, fucking, like, real out of touch and, uh, well, she's taken, she's failed some, like,

stupid about politics. She's felt some liberal purity tests, uh, and she doesn't seem to give a fuck about it. Right. It's her being like, what she's, well, the first one was, the first one was, I'm not going. Pop stars on time to keep up with politics or something like that. Well, the first one was, so here's the order that it went in. The first one was, I'm not going to go support the Democratic Party while they're bombing children. Yeah. Well, that backlash led to, and then her fame blew up too.

So there's two things you got to understand are going on at the same time. She gets backlash from that, and then her fame explodes. And then she starts saying, I don't understand people who are mad at me about that. Like, why the fuck are you going to a pop star for their politics? I don't even know about politics. Almost like a, all right, fine, fuck you guys, like, whatever. And I think that's understandable. But, yeah, a lot of people were like,

you don't have the luxury of saying you don't know about politics. Contextually, what her point was, you don't need to come to me for that. But that's like, to me, that's kind of an equivalent type of thing of what just happened with Saquine Barclay. I mean, look, what he did was very different than what you just said she did. But like, right.

Sequin Barclay went to the White House, but he didn't just go to the White House, but he played golf with President Trump. And when people got mad about that, he was very, he had a very similar type of response where he was like, he was like, what the,

he was like, why do you even have to bring politics into this? He was like, maybe I just, I played golf with the president. Maybe I just respect the office. All these people bringing politics into this need to get, it's like bringing politics into fucking,

you're playing. golf with the president. Like, of course people are going to do that. Right. But he's like, I don't understand where this is coming from. And it's like, yes, you do. And it's the same type of thing with her. I sort of feel like.

I don't agree with that. I think that's a false equivalency because if she had played music for President Trump, I would be like, yeah, that's literally the same thing. She got backlash from some people on the left because she was too far left. And then she said, you know what? You're right. I don't know enough about politics. you do your own thing.

Because that was what the people were saying to. It was like, you don't understand. You don't, you know, you fucked us over here. You tell them people that they don't, that the Democratic Party sucks is going to lead to Trump. So she was like, all right, you're right. I don't know. And I think that's, I'm not going to say fair,

but that's not the same as playing golf of Trump. No, it's definitely not. You're right. I mean, that, it's like, it's bitchy. It's like, it's like kind of childish. You know what I mean? Right. And I also acknowledge it's also a response to how famous she's gotten.

I have absolutely no doubt about it. that it's like she got a different PR person right and also there was I only don't know any of this I know I'm aware of one song of hers the fuck the gay bar one or whatever and then the only reason I know any of this is because it pops up on Reddit and Reddit it kind of of course has had a bit of a hate boner for her but there was a thing on Reddit too where it's like she it was on Instagram where a nail artist, a makeup or nail artist or something. And I saw that.

Accused her of fucking her over. And then somebody on Chapel's team responded and they were a mass. They really mishandled it and were hugely bitchy about it. And that didn't hit for people either. And so that just seems like she's, I don't know. A lot. Bumbled lately. Or yeah, or just is a lot.

Yeah, right. But I think it's both. our divas, I mean. Well, I don't think she had a PR person at first because she was like going on fucking those late night shows just chewing gum and shit. Right. And then, yeah, listen, I'm not defending the PR perspective. She's completely bumbled numerous things.

And that I won't defend at all. I'm saying that I don't think it was equivalent to the Sequin Barclay thing. I'm not even really trying to defend her. I'm saying that it's that being like, all right, I did my politics and you guys all attack me. you know what don't fucking come to the pop star for your politics is a lot more defensible in general than why are you making a political when I'm playing golf with the president yeah the the nail artist thing specifically it leads to a larger question i think about like

so what it was specifically that started it all was someone on chapel's team reached out to this nail artist and said chapel wants to wear some of your nails you know and they just offered her exposure right and but also gave her two days notice and these are like you know i don't know shit about nails but these are like bespoke artsy nails you know what i mean it's not it's art right so it like takes a while so they got it was 40 she had 48 hours notice and they weren't going to pay her anything and she was like no you know and then she posted and then and then the lady was a bitch in response and then she posted all that and then it spiraled from there but like well i won't defend that everybody

knows that like rich and famous people like you know I don't know they just get her thing for free even though do you know what I mean like I but I don't know I guess so many brands and stuff are willing to do that that it's like it's always going to happen but I won't defend that at all not like not even like in a general sense short not done that and she should have tuned up and or fired the lady who did it. Right. But the whole like exposure thing, I do think it can be contextual,

don't you? Meaning like in the world of what we do, almost no podcast pay anything. We all go on them and do each other's and it's all just exposure. And the podcast makes more of it, you know. But like, but I almost feel like,

I'm not doing my job really when I go on your podcast. You're not asking me to do what my job is. is for free. I don't know. You guys think so? I think I think so. You know, well, I mean, that might be like a philosophical difference between you and me about like what it is we do. I like don't, I feel like the only reason I started podcasting was to promote myself. Right. Yeah. Which is part of your job. Right. But promoting myself is a thing that I usually have to pay to get someone else to help me do. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Whereas if you're asking me to do stand up for you and you say exposure, I'm like, no, no, that is what my craft is.

but at the same time sometimes people ask me to do my show they're like hey I see you're in town can I hop on and do a set sure but there's no way I'm giving you money if you asked me to do the show unless it's a situation where I'm like oh I actually don't have an opener yet then of course now you're feeling a very different role you know so I just feel like it is contextual I guess is what I was saying like guest spots I don't I don't pay people if they're featuring for me. I absolutely do. In terms of the podcast world, I've actually been thinking lately

that I need to shift my perspective, that it's a big problem for me in general. But like, this to me feels like a thing I have to do to promote myself. And almost no one gets paid to market themselves. Yeah. But also like, I mean, even big TV shows, there's like an honorarium or whatever they call it, but it's nominal and it's like, what's the word, that there's a word, like, it's not rule of thumb, but like a general

practice, there's a word for that. Like, it generally accepted that standards and practices. No, there's a fucking word that I'm blanking on right now, but it basically means like it's kind of an unwritten, an unwritten rule, I guess, that like, generally speaking,

at least that's how it was described to me, the people, the actual celebrities are on these TV shows and stuff, they typically donate that honorarium or whatever to like, you know, a charity. Like, I remember when I went on Bill Marr. It's like they, I don't know why they call it that. I'm saying they basically don't pay. Oh, like when you, when you do an appearance on Bill Maher. When I went on Bill Mark, I got an honorarium that I think was like $900 or maybe even less or something like that. And they were like, and they said they were like, you know, you can give it. We can write you a check. We can direct

deposit to you. Or what a lot of people do is they donate. And so I remember I donated mine to St. Jude's. I just picked St. Jude's. I was like, just do them. And so, like, you know, so. That's making a shit ton of money. Like, I think if Rogan calls you and you're not in Austin, he's going to at least offer to get you a hotel. Bill Maher has got HBO money.

You know, like, I just feel like. Well, they did. They did. They flew me first class and put me up in a hotel room. But they didn't. I think it's contextual. No, I, no, I agree. And I'm saying, I don't even why I'm saying, it's just, so I'm saying the whole exposure thing kind of depends.

because I do think like a nail artist who's got like a small Instagram following, but this is like her thing, she's certainly not a celebrity or nothing. If you are a fucking pop star, you know, then you shouldn't just pay them. You should pay them like more than they would normally get paid. I was going to say the thing about all this is the lesson always is that you could have given her four grand.

Right. And you would have come out of this a huge hero. Right. Like it costs you so little. That's the advertising you're going to get is that you're a stand-up guy or gal or they person. Right.

Yeah. But I won't defend that. I'll defend the other thing because when you put it contextually like the timeline of her being like fine, I don't do politics, that was like tongue in cheek. You know, that was like I tried that and everyone was, you know, gay.

Her words, not mine. not really, she never saw that. Yeah. Is she gay, if she's like... That's very interesting too. She was by... Right. And then she said, I think I realized

I just had a hard time that I'm a lesbian. Oh, no, she's fully gay, okay. Yeah. But a lot of people don't believe it because they're like, well, your fans loved that. And I saw a debate on Reddit.

I'm really in the chaperone as it turns out. She has a song that is about a woman saying to another woman it's called good luck babe and it's literally like good luck with your man good luck pretending that you don't have this inside you

good luck pretending you're not a lesbian ah right or good luck pretending you're not a bisexual and leaving this behind for your whole life so there was this huge debate on Reddit if this was about a bisexual woman or a lesbian woman

and it was in his chapel the person saying it or the person it's about And then I was so curious because this debate got so heated on Reddit among the sapphics and the straits. I went to try and find out. And she said in an interview that it's both. That she started to write it about a bisexual woman who she was in love with. And then she realized it was actually about her and the way she used to be.

So then it was, then she finished it about herself who she says is a lesbian. man we're going deep on the chapel rome yeah chapel ron talk i saw her at bonneroo by myself for a variety of reasons and was fucking blown away and then i kind of got obsessed with her for about two months is uh is sapphic just mean lesbian or is it there's there's not entirely sure what it means but i know that chris fleming who is you know every once in a while we shout out a stand-up comic chris flimming is a relatively new stand-up comic on the algorithm scene he's been doing it forever and it's what he calls lesbians he's uh he's a very uh twinkish way fish man. He's allowed to call

a lesbian to whatever he wants. He's gay. He's been calling him Sapphics and it's been killing me. So according to Google's Dictionary.com or whatever, Sapphic means relating to sexual attraction or activity between women. And then

an Instagram infographic Sapphic versus lesbian. Sapphic is an umbrella term meant to encompass lesbian, bisexual and pansexual women, femmes, masks and non-binary folk. It's meant to be a unifying term between women and non-men

who love other women and non-men, but maybe not exclusively. Lesbian is a term for women and non-men who are attracted to exclusively women and non-men. This term originated from the word lesbos, which is the birthplace of the poet Sappho. So it's all related. Chapel Rhone and Sapphic.

I'm glad that I am our resident queer. I mean, I have been the whole time, but I'm glad that it's actually starting to come to fruition this late in the game. What about Paramore? They kind of bridge the gap between pop punk and female pop stars. What's her name, Haley?

Williams. I fucking love her. Speaking of Peloton, they're like one of the biggest pop punk bands of all time. Didn't realize they were considered punk. I knew they were. pop something. But I never really

fucked with them because I think they started to hit right after I was getting out of that. And the front woman that probably was part of it since they came out when I was 22 or whatever, 24. But like,

because of Peloton, they played a song on a ride I was on of theirs called Still Into You. and I got obsessed with that fucking song, played it over and over again for days.

And it led me to a bunch of their other songs that I like a lot. And it didn't make me remember. I'd always known this. It was always just like a little fun fact, even though I didn't like them or listen to them. But the very first concert ever went to was BuzzFest, which was a one day rock festival at Stardome and Nashville,

put on by 101.1, the buzz, right? And fucking, the headliner was velvet revolver and undercar was like saliva lit was there that was fire it was awesome but they had a little side stage like festivals often do

like a little cafe stage tiny stage and we got there we were just wondering by it and there was this rock band playing and obviously everyone's going to know where this is going since how it started rock band playing with a woman leading them or whatever and it was paramour on a tiny that because they're from Franklin.

They're from Nashville. And this was Nashville in 2004, like the year they formed. And I, even though I didn't appreciate it at all or anything, but I technically saw Paramore on a tiny. You could, dude, you could have totally been like, dude, I stopped. And I was like, man, there are really going to be something right here. Now, we were just like, huh. How about that?

Man, she's old enough for me to talk about how her tits are. Yeah, but, but yeah, that did happen. Well, anyway, yeah, no. so I've been digging Paramore and I texted you this also Dochi too, very different. I know that's not even a Peloton thing. That's a...

Dochi just ruled. You guys talked about her on the podcast and so I looked her up and that's up, but they are kind of related because the two songs overlap. I was basically just playing Paramore still into you and Doche's what it is back to back for like three days straight.

Dochi is just like undeniably good and the timing is right. Right. I think, though, she's like a throwback to me. Like, she's like, she actually raps. Oh, yeah. Like, that's back. I've been trying to tell you that's back.

You've got to listen to Jed, man. Listen to JID. Because for so long, so many of the popular rappers, they all, that mumble rap bullshit, I just hate that stuff. I got to go. I don't know. I mean, yeah, well, it's time to go.

You all come see me in Seattle this weekend. and then Vegas next weekend. If you're in the godless desert, come see me. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not overly optimistic about those shows, but we'll see how they go. I can at least... Listen to gravy, baby. Lose a lot of money.

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