wellRED podcast - Talkin Bout Luigi Mangione

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

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bread but sex they care way too much but don't give a fun they're the liberal rednecks that makes some people upset but they got three big old dicks that you can suck buddy here we are how y'all be blue in our eyes how y'all be well and yet another week i think i said this two weeks ago where it's always exciting when i come into a well Red episode and know exactly what the fuck we're going to be talking about. The last time it was the election, this is a more, I mean, you know, inarguably a way more fun topic and a way more hitting one. Yeah, they perhaps have caught the spaghetti man responsible for the assassination of that

healthcare CEO or health insurance. What? That they called him, you may? Yeah, that don't have. Yeah. Are y'all on the same page? It probably does seem like it is him, you know? Like, because you know, there's people on the internet.

that are like that are saying no way no way yes because a lot of them are saying guy that careful guy that smart guy that done you know it's like no way he gets caught at a McDonald's like he's got a gun on him he's got the ID on him like I got caught on purpose I that's what that's the only thing because I do agree with him that it does seem weird but I keep thinking it's like maybe he got caught on purpose because he's got a lot of shit to say or you know he could have a lot of nuts I mean it's like people act like it's the hard part about committing murder is the wherewithal to do it. Yeah, for sure.

And then to keep your head, which is perhaps what he didn't do. But they're like, a guy who was really good at like, what, figuring out how to take a bus? That's not that hard. Yeah, I think the cops were just being stupid for the most part. And they have to paint that narrative of like, man, this guy, Jesus Christ. Like, how brilliant. You wore a mask. What are we supposed to do?

Yeah. And let's also shout out, pour one out for another Italian man. taken down by his need for pussy. Man. For people who don't know, he got caught mainly because he lowered his masks because the broad asked him to. And you got to say,

it's abroad when she's taken down an Italian man on purpose or on accident. Absolutely, it's a broad. Yeah, he just couldn't refuse, man. And he was all smiles to it. Was that... Made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Take the canoli.

Was that before or after he had did it? I believe that was before. Okay. That makes me feel a little bit better about him as a person because, like, he was cheeszing big time dog. And I feel like even if you feel righteous in your murder, you know, there's, after you do it, there's still that whole, holy shit, I murdered a person. You know what I mean? And that smile would seem a little bit more creepy. But yeah, ultimately did our guy in?

You could walk me down a conspiracy theory that he didn't do it. That not only did someone else do it, he was going to be the fall guy the whole guy the whole time. But that, that's wild. I'll say that. That would be wild. I make no sense and I don't believe it. I mean, dude, I've been running through all of it in my brain about like what what's Reddit's take going to be because like, I mean, and the thing is like, look, most, you know,

like the conspiracies that people talk about that are so insane are like, yeah, you know, obviously if you believe in all those, you're crazy. But like, you know, it's never just, it's usually not as simple, especially when you're, dealing with health care CEO and this kid with his very unique background. It's usually not as simple as like this guy, especially when he evades the cop for that long. I mean, who knows, they both might be Patsy's. I mean, that CEO was only, like, he'd only been their CEO for like one or two years, right? What if they wanted all this shit to happen?

They're like, yeah, let's put, you know, this fucker in there. And we'll just, you know, I don't know. I have no clue. It's, it is like so, unless he wanted them to catch him, they had no shot at catching him if he hadn't lowered that mask. Unless he wanted him to catch him or he told somebody he done it. Right. And then because he lowered that mask in that and they got that photo of him,

he then, this is like what, three or four days later, which is already like long past the, you know, standard 48 hours. If we don't get him in 48 hours, which,

you know, that's a little bit different now with social media and your faces everywhere. Well, it's also different because there was a manhunt nationally for him. That's true. Yeah. kill the CEO. Yeah, right.

I mean, I'm not the first person to make this point, but like two homeless people were stabbed brutally to death the same day. No one gave a single fuck. Those people are still on the lamb. I mean, dude, there's housed people that just live in Harlem that it happens to, you know what I mean? Like, I get you with the homeless thing, but like you could go up so many higher rungs and it still wouldn't be a fucking manhunt.

I just brought that up because it happened the same day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, for sure. But I'm just, you know, for just the same. Say it, like, you could go up so many rungs, and that's still fucking true, that, like, there wouldn't have been this manhunt. Have you guys seen that Laura Ingraham clip? Laura Ingraham is the blonde lady, correct? From Fox News?

That doesn't narrowing down at all, but yes. Okay, but I am thinking of the right person. One of the, you guys know the Thundercats. She's one of the Thundercuts. Okay, yeah. She, unironically, probably such a pro. at what she does at this point, her brain wasn't even connecting the two. Of course.

She wraps up a segment on this guy. She's got two people on each side of her on the screen, like that she's satelliteed in, you know, probably from 10 feet away. You know, and online, I'm getting some of the comments. They showed them to be during the break. Just disgusting the way people are trying to make this man out to be a hero. It's really, honestly, it's sick and it's a sickness, and it worries me about our country.

Gentlemen, thank you. Next, we have the guy who murdered a dude on the subway. Some are saying he's a hero. We'll be right back with that. Was that guy's name Penny? Something Penny? Oh, no, I didn't even hear about that one. I know what you're talking about.

Do you remember, Corey, when that vet choked that guy, that clearly crazy guy out on the subway? He got found not guilty yesterday. We live in a simulation. Yeah. So he is 26 years old, same age, killed a man in. broad daylight in front of people, blah, blah, blah. He killed a homeless man who was making people feel scared and making threats. He subdued him, and then he just kept choking him until he died.

He was a black guy, right? Like the homeless guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, people are bringing it up a lot as they should. But Ingram, again, the only thing I can think of is, sorry, I just got a text. You know, they pop up on the screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll tell you guys afterwards, but one of our friends who's a couple broke up.

I just got to text is, fuck him, we broke up. I was like, holy shit. I don't know what the fuck I was saying. I just got completely slated. You were talking about the guy on the subway. Subway. And it being in using Laura Ingraham going into autopilot. Yeah.

That guy was found not guilty like just yesterday. I was just saying that it was so funny that the entire world is connecting these two and seeing the glaring difference. Yeah, right. And how certain things are perceived. And she just genuinely. Yeah, it was almost like parity. And it is. I mean, you said the entire world.

I mean, that is, that is pretty accurate. Right. I know like mainstream media, the talking heads and people like her are still, they're doing what they got to do, I guess, or they're under threat from their corporate overlords or something. But I would argue, Trey, that she didn't do that. Now, again, it might have been just like robot mode. We did this story and how we're doing this story. Yeah, I mean, that's, it's I'm Ron Burgundy. But no part of her even realized, just like linguistically.

Linguining. It's disgusting. People think this murder is a hero. Right. Up next, a story about a hero who killed a guy. Yeah, right. Yeah, and of course, they're like the left right now. Well, for the record, like, before I say the left, the right, left, the right, or whatever, this is 100% so far has been a them fellers that exploded themselves in the submarine situation in which most people, I've seen, Twitter is nothing but far right bullshit now.

If it's not people coming out and actually saying like, hey, man, you saw what happened in the fucking French Revolution of. Eventually the guillotine's got to come out. If it's not that, it's at least fucking hilarious memes about it that, like, wouldn't be coming out if that side thought this was like a disgusting monster or whatever. Like, my sister,

my sister called me today. She's on the completely, like, other types of internet than we are. Like, she's on Facebook, dude. We're like, everybody in our, you know, hometown is fucking red, you know, red as hell. I mean that, like, you know, conservative. And even she's like,

all I'm seeing it she's like the least like she goes if people basically what I just said if it's not people praising him it's all funny memes and she's like I haven't seen one person be like what a tragedy this piece of shit you know what I mean and like Kirby you know she they have a there's a conservative family that you know she's a part of her in-laws or whatever but like they you know everybody knows someone who's been fucked over by the goddamn health care system so it's just like right now sort of bipartisan. But he himself is, you know, kind of, I guess, hard to nail that. Because I felt like a lot of people,

I feel like a lot of people on the left were hoping for kind of a John Quey, socialist. Yeah, right. Yeah, this is the guy with a sick kid, nothing left to lose type of working class hero. You say John Que? Yeah. Yeah. But then, but then he's like apparently a tech bro who's at least right adjacent, but I guess he's kind of an enlightened centrist or who's,

the hell knows. He said a lot of wild shit. A lot of it's very definitely not lefty stuff at all. And he's from a very rich family apparently and has a privileged upbringing. Didn't see that coming. Nobody saw any of that coming. And I'm saying part of my argument with that is like that just goes to further the point of how much of a unifying issue or experience or whatever that this whole thing is or should be, you know. Because I'm sure there's a lot of people that are going to be like, this guy with that much money. like why'd he give a shit? He could just pay for his own.

And so like it kind of makes the guy seem like if that, if that is the case for him, like more of a quote unquote hero because it's like, you know, this ain't even about me. Like I could get my shit taken care of, but fuck you, man.

Well, people, you can tell me if I'm wrong, but they, I've been on Reddit. You know, I read it, me,

they always sleuthing and stuff. And maybe this isn't even sleuthy. Maybe this has been on the news. I don't know. But like, he, he's had posts and stuff from relatively recently in the past year or two or whatever, about it had a major,

he had a major back injury right and uh like and also in his reading list on good reads which was wild uh for a lot of reasons includes like you know uh the unabomers manifesto and stevo's autobiography and the same and then but also on his on his reading list was a couple different books about living with back pain yeah and so a lot of people are you know making the assumption that even as a rich kid that he's had a hell of a go go round with getting health care in this country or whatever. Yeah, I mean, even if you're a rich kid and you can just pay for it and stuff, like, you still see the number.

You know what I mean? Like, you're like, yeah, or also if it gets, even if you, your family can't afford it, if you get told by who's supposed to be your insurance provider or something, if they tell you like, nah, we ain't paying for that. Even like if your family can cover it, you're like, well, what the fuck is that? What do you mean? Why do I even have it? It's still bullshit, even if somebody else could swoop in and save you. But of course, for a lot of people, there is no safety net like that.

So it's 10 times worse. But still, you know, they're not immune to it. But here's one of his tweets. I kind of want y'all to help me parse. And this is, no, this is from 2024. So it's definitely new lingo, but I'm not hip to it. He says, I need a white chick to go bug mode on my dick. What does bug my?

I mean, I'm sure I'm for it, but what is bug mode? like, like that. That's a Drew question for show. Yeah, right. I got nothing for you guys. Anybody just really going to town on, you know, genital regions and stuff, like getting filthy where the stank is.

Swine. I turned to Drew for those things. I know what that means. But yeah, I've heard of Goblin mode. Goblin mode. I just learned that the other day. Yeah.

But that's not sexual, is it? No, that's when you just be trash and be proud of it. Right. It was like, it was a phrase. phrasing. A lot of those suck. Mosquitoes. Yeah, we should get out of this.

Okay. Sorry. I mean, we can talk about a tick, but that's gross. Well, we skipped over what I want to talk about to do your fucking tweet, Corey. I wanted to bring up. We tried to let you talk about. You were like, I got clean slated. I look at my fucking computer.

Go ahead. Go ahead. Do your thing. One theory I saw floated out there, I guess his family owns a, like a nursing home. And it's pretty expensive, but it's got. like really, really, really good reviews. And I know everyone's desperate for a hero, so take it with a grain of salt.

But I did see this one video about this where this lady was like, this company, United Healthcare, and this is true, has been taken to court by the department of whatever, I don't know if you wouldn't call the DOJ, whatever the state equivalent that is, the attorney general of Pennsylvania for having a monopoly in the state.

They are constantly taking over areas buy it up as many of the nursing homes as they can, driving the cost down, losing money on nursing homes so that they can put the three independent ones in that area out of business. When they go out of business, they buy them and then raise the price back up. Some people are wondering if that's part of it. I think that the fact that he's right wing is awesome. Like slightly right wing, whatever you want to say.

He is interested in the manosphere. because you can talk to most. There's some like libertarian type people out there, but you can talk to most like right-wing people about like the free market. And they will express great frustration with companies getting so big that they can manipulate it. I mean, to them, it's like almost sacred.

It's like talking to someone who's like truly trying to be a Christian and then they really hate televangelists. It's like, we want to fucking free market. And these dudes are like that guy, that CEO, he doesn't do anything. That's another thing about like small town. conservatives. They're very much like, don't you take any of my taxes to pay for somebody else's health care. But it's like, because I work for a damn living. My hands hurt. My wife's on her feet all day dealing with them shitty kids at the school, whereas this guy literally just

rips people off. I mean, and that is, and I cannot say this enough. I'm not being hyperbole. His job as the boss of that company, in order to make them more money at this point, what he has to is figure out more ways to deny people coverage, rip doctors off, and make health care worse for people. That's how he makes more money. He deserved to die. He's in hell. And I'm genuinely glad we have a moment where someone from the Manosphere or whatever you want to call it or right wingy or center right did something like this. I hope we can stay behind him. I hope he's not into fucking kitty porn. I hope that this dude is just like that guy that I've been trying to to get, to understand that trans people aren't the enemy that rich people are.

I hope this is who he is. Me too. And I think this is the good moment in America. But like, here's the thing, though. Do you, like, when, now that he's caught, like, do you think, even if he was all of what you just said, do you think they're going to let him be? You know what I mean? Because they could just, now that he's caught, they could just be like, we found all this

shit on his hard drive. I think Trey died. I mean, I guess it depends on who they are. You know, and how... Yeah, that's the thing. I don't know who's, like, that's another thing me and Kirby were talking about was, like, if, hypothetically, if he was, like, a complete Patsy, like, you know, they MK altered him or whatever, I don't know who the they is in this situation because, like...

Yeah, I doubt that's the situation here. We can deal with that. But I'm just saying, like... We can do with that conspiracy. But another conspiracy is like, okay, he did it. He did it for righteous reasons. Are they going to try to besmirch him now? Right.

Who are they? why would they do it? And then could they get away with it? I mean, the latter one, the last question, could they get away with it? Yeah, probably. Of course. I say let's talk about that when and if it comes up. I mean, right now, let's talk about how, to me, like the upshot here,

and we've already addressed it somewhat, is I think Trey was the first one to bring it up. Almost all of America, at the very least agrees, the guy deserved to die. Sure. They might not agree that murder is good. People who will be like, you can't do vigilante murder because we live in a society. But very few reasonable people are like, that guy didn't deserve this. I don't know anyone. The fucking did.

Yeah, I don't know. And I'm talking about my parents, too, who like, they're straight up conservative people. And, like, I haven't heard them, you know, besmirch. I haven't even heard them besmirch vigilantes or whatever. But, yeah, they, like, they're like, that, that dude's a piece of shit. And I mean, you know, we went through the health care system with my grandmother. her, you know, ailing years and like, conservatives as they are like, yeah, I mean, they're not going to go to, uh, they're not going to go to bat for big pharma or big health care or any of

that shit, especially, you know, the CEO where you said this guy, by the way, of all the health cares and shit, which they're all pieces of shit and they all deny claims because as Drew said, it's literally that they had their public companies. They have to, and not only do you have to turn a profit, you got to turn a bigger profit the next year or you're fucked. Well, the only way for an insurance company to make money is, hey, have everybody, this is scenario one, have everybody in the world pay for your insurance and nothing ever happens to them and they never file a claim. Or, and that's never going to happen, you just deny the shit out of claims because the second you pay one out of pocket, you're losing so much.

These motherfuckers had over like, if the stat I saw was true, that double the denials as the next leading piece of shit. Like, buy a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Can you guys hear me? Am I still here? Yeah.

You're good. Okay, cool. Yeah, sorry to everybody in the audience. I've got a new setup having some technical difficulties. But Mark said, and I was doing the same thing, chose. But you were saying it's like all these health care companies and stuff. Me and Mark did one of our bonus skews things. And he went on this little thing about how like it bothers him that they're called health care

or that people keep calling them health care companies. And that one in particular health care was in the name because he was like, these are financial institutions. He was like they're not the one. You know what I mean? Like all they are is they handle the bills and the money for it. They're not providing the hospital. Right.

They're not providing any health care services to anybody or whatever. They're just refusing to pay for those services. They're a pure like financial. They might as well be banks or whatever. They're just moving around deciding. And so, you know. Who gets a loan and who don't. Right.

But they obviously contribute to how fucked up the overall health care system is in this country. But, but yeah, no, apparently they were like literally the worst by every metric. Yeah. Among all the shitty options. UHC was the worst. And so they guy got shot on the street to near universal acclaim. Yeah. And it, dude, I had, like, I knew, obviously that, you know, denying claims were the huge

thing, but, like, it's just really wild. I've never, I'd never seen Francis Ford Coppola as the Rainmaker. And I randomly watched it, like, two days before all this came out. So this was all fresh in my brain. Like, so, dude, even if I was, like, some right-wing, fuck-y-ass CEO should be paid 5,000 times as much as the bottom and plot. Like, after just watching that movie, I couldn't, like,

I'd be, yeah, I mean, again, at the very least, he deserves to fucking die. Like, I'm not saying this guy should have done it. But what are you going to do? I mean, that guy, in arguably, that guy is one life that is now dead. He has caused the deaths of an incalculable amount of

people. And what does it matter if you're doing it with a fucking bazooka or you're doing it with a pin? That's exactly what I was about to say. It's like, the people that say like, you listen, you can't be vigilante murdering because violence just, I know this guy sucks. Like violence is still not the answer or whatever. It's like, well, that, they do violence too.

It's just not consistent. It's white-collar violence. When you do it in a boardroom and in a corporate scenario, then it's like, it's just, it's policy decisions. Right. You know what I mean? He's got a body count like Saddam Hussein, but he didn't actually get his hands dirty. You got to give up to Saddam on that.

That is violent, you know, so like they are the ones that resorts. the violence in the first place, but it's considered socially acceptable. I mean, except it isn't, but it has been. They ruin generations of lives, not just like, kill, like they, not only do they fucking, you know, kill people, then they end up putting them in debt because they got to go out of pocket on shit, ruining fucking everything. They're the fucking worst. But yeah, it's wild, man.

Like, you know, not many. And right now we're in the, you know, it's been what less than a week or what less than a week. We're in that sweet spot where there is something for all of us to agree. about, but like, I guess to circle back on a point, and I'm sure Drew had some thoughts on this, it eventually will get insanely politicized. I just don't know who and what and what's the angle. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't, although the submarine shit didn't get politicized, but that was people exploding themselves. That's different. But like, I don't know what the

right is going to say right now. Have you seen all the like stuff going viral of like Ben Shapiro's comments and Matt Walsh's comments. So all I've seen are screen grabs. It'll show Walsh or Supero and then it'll show the headline of the video or what maybe the person making the meme calls the headline of video. But apparently they're on there saying like, it's unbelievable how the left is celebrating this murder. Yeah, right.

And all the comments are like, like so many comments are like, hey, I'm not on the left. I'm one of your fans. Fuck this guy. This was great. We need to kill seven more. Yeah. And I don't, these people like that, in my opinion, those two specifically, especially Sapiro, they don't actually have any beliefs.

They just are addicted to being famous. So they may turn a little in order to not lose their hacks. In the comedy world, we're like, what a hack. You don't have any actual integrity. But overall, that's good. Like this is. Yeah, because they will say whatever they need to say to make sure that they're fucking, they don't lose 200,000 subscribers.

I feel like at the very least, yes, they'll stop with the self-righteousness or whatever. This is just a net good. And I was worried, like, it would only, that it would be not just Shapiro trying to make me feel bad. I thought some of our fans would, who are sweet people. And they might after they see this. They'd be like, don't celebrate murder. And I was like, nah, man, like, everything about this so far is good news other than learning

that he has children. Like, that's the only thing I can say, like, learning that he does have kids was bad news, but it doesn't change my feet. But sure. Yeah, you can't just have kids and be like, oh, get out of jail free card. I got kids. I can be a piece of shit. And I don't, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Like, and Tray brought up this really good point earlier in the text thread. When we were talking about this vigilante spaghetti feller and he was like, hmm, sounds like a young man who doesn't need to have his future. ruined for making one tiny mistake. Well, that's where the fact that that's another reason why it's objectively more interesting and you can debate whether it's better or not or whatever,

but the fact that he's apparently from a really rich white coastal family that's because it's like normally they get away with everything, right? And everybody knows that. And this case is going to pit elites against elites or whatever. And I think it might end up illustrating that in that, you know, billionaires are still, you know, like you, like they ain't shit compared to billionaires is what I'm saying. And I bet a lot of those people don't realize that they ain't shit in that comparison. And this case might illustrate that for people, which I find very interesting.

You know what I mean? Because it's like, what are they going to do? They got like, got to let an affluent young, good looking rich white kid get away with something or punish the murder of one of our oligarchs or whatever. It's like, you know. Well, he's a class trader in that regard. Which is. They're not going to allow that. I mean, if you.

No, they'll. If you kind of look at this through the lens of like literature, you know, like when you're critiquing literature, the first thing you learn in college about that is like, well, you can look at it through the feminist lens. You can look at it through the Marxist lens. All right. If we look at this through the Marxist lens, then what I mean by that is like just through the class lens. Yeah, I think people are about to learn. real quick that class what's the word I'm looking for people use it all the time

Trumps well it does Trump but there's a how they have each other's back yeah uh class and and what yeah what do you like what you said class brings people together coalesces people coalesce around your class but you you unite yeah it's not loyalty but it's like loyalty that class loyalty is honestly like it's like it's If you start to me, like if I start to break it down, it explains a lot of bullshit this country. And frankly, I think it's like what happens when Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh

go out there and say that is they see themselves as part of the same class as that guy. And they're not. But they need to make sure that their audience doesn't. That's where they're going to start changing. It's like, bro, you need to think real hard about this because you have pulled the wool over your audience's eyes for a while

and made them think that you're in their class. and if you start acting like you've got class loyalty with dudes like this, they're going to turn on you, and that's why I think they'll change it up. Yeah, and there's not many class traders in that particular class. You know what I mean? Like, they, them motherfuckers stick together. Like, and at the bottom level,

we know there's class trader shit that goes on all the time, and that's, you know, that's by design, so that we'll be arguing over all this bullshit while Elon Musk builds another dick rocket or whatever the fuck. But yeah, I'm with you. Sounds good, but you know what? All of this would sound so much better if you were wearing a pair of Raycon earbuzz, everybody. I'm telling you, the holidays, they're an amazing time.

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Yeah, I like that one. It's truly hilarious. Solidarity was the goddamn one. I can't believe I forgot the phrase class. That shit happens to me. Solidarity. All the fucking time, man, when like, and I've never felt dumber.

It's probably like the third or fourth most important tenet of Marx's whole economic writings. And even, like, whether you're a lefty or not, if you are learned and you want to talk about this stuff and you forget one like that, you look like an idiot. So I'm a big old dumb, dumb.

But class solidarity does seem to be easier for the richies to keep together. And yeah, you're about to see it. They're about to come down on him hard. And I think that's what's going on with all the media. They consider themselves to be a part of that class. And I do attack him. I mean, dude, I think people on CNN and Fox feel scared by a guy like that. And I think your in-laws don't.

Right, yeah. And that's what's going on here. And that's why I said that about, I'm glad he's in the man of fear because I'm hoping it gives us all kind of a very blunt lesson of like, yeah, that dude's not your enemy. It is the C and the gay guy on CNN who wants you to feel bad about being happy because he's rich and scared. Now, fuck that.

Right. Yeah. Did you guys see, I saw it got passed around a lot. He's a well-read guy, likes to read a lot, and he posts, he reviews the things he reads. You got to see the review he did of the Unabomber's manifesto. It was a very long, very long. I did see that. He was spitting.

He was spitting the whole time. He was like, you know what? Let me try to find it real quick. Yeah, I bet you're saying just fucking read it. While you're looking for it, I'll give our little caveat, our little disclaimer. The Unabomber, and this is a pretty widely accepted viewpoint, I think. I don't think it's that radical. The Unabomber was right about everything he said, but then for whatever reason, he just decided

to kill the wrong people. Right. Yeah. Like, if the Unabomber had focused on CEOs, I would be a very pro-unabomber person. We all would be. Dude, yeah. I mean, dude, everything that Ted Kaczynski wrote and shit is. He posed everything.

I think he might have had a few. Like, race-racy type thing. Redoubt. A little bit of race war stuff in there or something. I'm not sure. But, man, they always got to fucking ruin it right at the end. But that, I mean, that's what, that's what old Louis, Luigi, he had to say about it, too. he said that among many others,

I'm not going to read the whole thing because it's long. He posted a lengthy review of it, but he says he was a, talking about Ted Kaczynski, he was a violent individual, fully imprisoned, who maimed innocent people. While these actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy Luddite,

however, they are more accurately seen as those of an extreme political revolutionary, says, when all other forms of communication fail, violence is necessary to survive. You might not like his methods, but to see things from his perspective, it's not terrorism. It's revolution. Fossil fuel companies actively suppress anything that stands in their way.

Within a generation or two, it will begin costing human lives and greater and greater magnitudes until the earth is just a flaming ball orbiting third from the sun. Peaceful protests are outright ignored. Economic protest isn't possible in the current system. So how long until we recognize that violence against those who lead us into such destruction? is justified as self-defense. And at the bottom, this part, he says, we are animals, just like everything else on this planet, except we've forgotten the law of the jungle,

and we bend over for our overlords, where any other animal would recognize the threat and fight to the death for their own survival. She would. Violence never solved anything is a statement for cowards and predators. Right? And I mean, here's the thing. and I know it's going to hit y'all the same way it hit me.

I found out on Reddit earlier today that that last paragraph I just read, he lifted from a Reddit comment of some other dude. And that's, to me, that's the most disappointing thing of this whole affair. Sure. At least, yeah, the plagiarization, it's bit stealing or whatever. It's like at least give credit, buddy. Come on now. But either way, imagine being tagged in a manifesto like that.

But he plagiarized on a good reads review of Ted Kaczynski. manifesto. I feel like that's not... There's layers. Like, maybe he didn't know he was going to murder a CEO to become super famous when he's not like... He wasn't posting it for a clout. Exactly. He wasn't getting any kind of real reward from it outside of just... He just was like this phrase hits and also I'm sure the person that said that on Reddit, they might have copy positive from somebody else.

Very possible. The person who said that on Reddit, probably talking to the FBI right now. Yeah, no shit. But dude, about that. What, who, we don't know. It was a spaghetti. It was a customer, right? No,

employee. I thought it was an employee at McDonald's. I know that Burger King was really trying to make, hey. Burger King tweeted, we don't snitch. Again, I'm getting like all this from, either way,

just whoever, that person, it's like, they're going to be a protective custody. Like, how did you miss that particular memo? And it's only, and it's only a,

how much is the, was the reward for him? $1,000, I think. I mean to think it was 50. It might have been 10 or 50. But that's how they're always going to get us to be traders against the class. If you work at McDonald's, he runs a lot of money.

That's true. I mean, it won't change your life, but you probably think it will, and it will change your year a lot. But you know what? I bet they got fucking medical bills. I bet that's why they did it. Ain't that a bitch. Yeah, sure. But like, you got to weigh your options here.

Is $10,000 worth being the most universally hated motherfucker on the planet right now? Of course, you don't think about that when you're in a, you know, a horrible situation. I'm almost certain it was anonymous, which now I'm realizing that means we have no way of knowing who did it. Everybody, I guess no one knows either way, but I've seen people saying like that there was an assumption it was a McDonald's employee, but that it wasn't. It was some mama or papaw that was also eating inside at McDonald's who called it. That wouldn't happen to Hardee's. I fucking tell you that right now. Hell no.

No Papal Hardys. First of all, Pappell's and Hardys, they can't see good. And if they'd have seen Luigi over there, they would have been like, hey, let me buy you a burger. Right. Unless they didn't know who he was. Unless they truly didn't know who he was at all, in which case they might have thought he was just a terrorist. Because I saw another thing that was like the person recognized him from his eyebrows from a, you know, grainy picture that was taken outside of a Starbucks or whatever. So wasn't he also wearing, if not the same thing, a very similar.

thing that he had on in the picture? Well, that's a way more pertinent detail than the... Of course. The eyebrows to me. Like, the eyebrows plus the whole rest of that get up, I can see being a dead giveaway for somebody, you know. But, yeah, I agree with you, Jerry. It feels to me like he, yeah, that he wanted to.

I think maybe he's got, you know, maybe he's still got other shit planned. I don't mean any kind of crazy joker shit. I just mean, like, you know, points he wants to make things he wants to get across or whatever. Like maybe he's looking forward to. Drew, you're a lawyer. Jury nullification.

What's up with that? I will tell you about that after I make this quick point. I don't think there's anything to this. I think it was fake. But supposedly a YouTube channel popped up. And some people think it's fake because they had the same picture that's on his Twitter so anybody could have ripped it up. They had a video that says that the video has been taken down.

The whole channel's been taken down. But that something big is going to happen or be revealed tomorrow. As in from, From him or his people? Yeah, it was made to appear to be his YouTube channel. Okay. Whether it was or not. But if all he had done was schedule a video to be released on that YouTube channel tomorrow,

it's not going to come out because the FBI's already shut it down. Right, yeah. That don't hit. Jury nullification is a thing. The issue with jury nullification is getting a judge. It's like a time to kill situation, right? A time to kill with Samuel Jackson, Matthew McCahy. You know, like, you've called it before the needed killing defense or whatever.

Right. Well, that was a different defense that you could use back in the day that would get you less time. The Texas defense, right? But in a time to kill, the jury is basically just like, yeah, he definitely did that shit. We all acknowledge that he did that shit. But it's okay because it needed to be done. So we're just going to say it's fine. The jury has a right to do not guilty, even though they know that he did.

Because they want to. Right, yeah, right. So there's no like that, maybe in some states there is, but in every state there's not like an official doctrine that says jury nullification and then this is what it is. Because when you think about something like that, you got to let the jury know, right? The process by which you let a jury know something like that typically is jury instructions.

Well, the judge can't tell a jury they're not allowed to do that because they are. But judges are very clever. most judges don't want that to happen. You know what I mean? It turns their courtroom into whatever. So the key with it is getting a judge to tell the jury it's allowed and or you do it without saying something that's objectionable. And by objectionable, I mean literally objectionable by the letter of the law.

Yeah, we have a problem with it. Someone can object. Right. Yes. So, I mean, if someone can't object, but, you know, will it matter? So the key there is in your opening and closing statement. letting these people on the jury know, hey, you know,

you don't have to find him guilty. The state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this man did this. That's what they have to do in order for you to find him guilty. In order to find him not guilty, you have to just have reasonable doubt or just not want to.

Right. That's a fact. Right. But getting away with that, Like, you know, if I'm the prosecutor, objection, your honor, blah, you know, side, like, whatever, but it is fucking true. So it's definitely a thing.

You have to be artful, and I haven't looked into it in a long time. There is definitely a way to do it and how you introduce the concept to the jury. And then, yeah, you just go with it. It's going to be a whole thing, man. I mean, yeah. No, this trial, this trial is going to be a bang wild. Yeah. And it's going to be like O.J. Simpson level, right?

It'll be that. Oh, yeah. I mean, obviously different. because in that situation. Yeah, I just mean media circus-wide, like coverage scrutiny. Yes, bro, especially because it's all happening right here, you know, when the new president's about to take over and shit like that. And also, like, you know, the thing that we didn't have during the OJ trial was like immediacy. Like, they had like, you know, obviously the court TV or whatever and then MEC could put together a package.

But like every single angle, like, dude, the fucking streamers are already fighting for the story to do the five-part like they do the Menendez shit right now. Like you're going to be seeing it from every angle. It's going to be all encompassing. And I mean, it's just going to be fucking insane, except for like the difference in this one versus the OJ is like, the OJ trial was like as far as people go split down the middle, you know, like didn't do it, did do it.

Or like even if you did, I don't give a fuck. This one until. We all know he did it. Right. 80% of us are like, don't care. It's fine. Yeah.

That's fun, you know. The video I made, I said, like, can we plead? Come on. Come on. Come on. I saw this tweet from Jay Jordan. I got to tell you guys about because we're talking about McDonald's. I love Jay.

This is so funny. Popeye's employees would have helped him get rid of and hide the gun. Yeah. Hell yeah. They wouldn't have. Hell yeah, dude. He'd be back at, he'd be back cooking fries at the fucking Waffle House telling him how he did it and shit. And they'd just locked the doors.

I think he wanted to get caught. Now, I don't know. why? I don't know if whatever plan he had. Because I think it's easier to kill somebody in Manhattan and get out of the city than it is to, like, control the narrative. And if he did want to get caught, that's his goal, is to control the narrative and, like, get his voice out there. I don't know if he'll be able to do that. I also think it's at least possible that because people have said the conspiracy theory, like, this just doesn't make sense. The whole, like, look what, look at the way he acted the day of the killing and how, you know, how, how, how,

well executed, it all seems to have been, and he got away with their whatever, versus everything we're hearing about this. He's just got every piece of incriminating evidence there is on his person when they find he's dressed as, it just doesn't make sense. But I think you could at least, I think it's at least possible, pure speculation from my butt, but that he killed the guy, has since seen that he's a fucking hero right now. Like he's seen the reaction to him. And that made him decide, good. Fuck it. I'm a step. I'm going to step out into the sunlight and fucking see this thing through to see what happens.

You know, I'm not saying that that's what happened, but I think it's at least possible that that's how it would make the whole thing to go bud mode, dog. That, okay. On that, by the way, on that, by the way, also

lighter subject related to all this, but dude, you know how like women be writing fuck me letters to murders and prisons? This dude's immediately the Wilk Chamberlain of that, right? Like, already. In less than 24 hours, he's the Jordan of kidding letters from horny bitches on the inside. Somebody tweeted, they were like, if you were, if you were in line for the

the Luigi Digliamano conjugal visit, stay in line. Like that. Tim Dylan, Tim Dylan tweeted, I would have paid this dude's rent for a year if he didn't do anything I liked. Yeah. Yeah, because dude, he's not only a pretty feller. He's shredded, got a six-pack, all that shit. Beautiful smile.

Teets sent me the shirtless pick and said, oh, you know he did. Look at his abs. I count one, two, three, six counts of not guilty. Yeah, it's going to be. It's a hot, rich, smart white guy. We're in the simulation, dude. I don't know.

We got black Nazis in North Carolina. We got hot, rich, smart Ivy League class traders in Pennsylvania, New York City. This is the fun part of the dying empire, boys. Let's enjoy it. It's also like. I mean, related off of what you were just saying,

if he was a more typical type of manifesto writer, you know, like a Unabomber-looking type dude or whatever, it would be very easy to paint him as just being a lunatic. He's just some fucking unhinged lunatic or whatever. But this dude looks very outwardly. He's perfect. Someone who's got his shit very much together

and made the choice to do it. And that also has a huge impact on the whole, the narrative and the whole thing. feel like. I wanted to add earlier, and I just remembered it, the tech bro thing, he was very into AI. And if you go look at his tweets, he's very, he's young, like some of his old tweets, are very much like, this technology is going to change the world.

It's going to make everything better for us. It's going to make everything easy for us. I just want to say that it's possible that this dude thought tech was going to save us. Right. And then is so offended by how. much evil it's being used for. Like he was a naive, sweet summer child. And when he realized that,

that flipped him. So I'm just saying, I'm not ready to throw all the wannabe tech bros under the bus because, you know, you can get, everyone can get jaded. Everyone can be young and think. We all liked Elon Musk at one point. I was a, tech bros weren't really a thing when I was in my late teens,

early 20s. Because we hadn't got there yet. But I know, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. But I've always been real into that just because I'm a nerd or like sci-fi and stuff. Yeah. When all that shit first started happening, I thought it was all the coolest stuff in the world. And I thought it was going to improve everybody's lives.

It could. And maybe save humanity too. But I've long since along the way realized that that's not how any of it actually works. People still have to input the data. Right. You know. And I still think it's a huge bummer that it is going that way. I'm no longer surprised by it or nothing.

But, yeah. I mean, so I can definitely relate. to that. I'm saying when I was that age, I would have been in a similar place probably. Absolutely. And I think that what I hope, I mean, I've hoped this for a while, but what I hope people see like him, like, it's capitalism. And I know when I say that I just sound like some leftist weirdo or whatever, but what I mean when I say that is if every single entity, decision you make industry is only guided by the principle, how do we make more money and nothing else? Well, then you end up with AI denying people's claims while your grandma rots in a bed with bed soars on her

ass. Right. And so it's like you don't have to go full marks to see that that's a problem. Sure. And it's like Mark said, healthcare. They don't do either of those words. Right. They're a financial institution. Everything is now. That's what's insane about this whole world we're living. Now everything is either get famous or it's a financial institution, every single thing. Luke, talk to a girl. She's about to go to jail, jail. And there's no. No way she knows what she did. You know, she has no idea.

There is no way she is aware of the scam that just got pulled off. Some other type of tech, bro, just leached on to her and was like, we're going to introduce this coin and use your name. And she was like, she just saw the numbers and was like, okay. But what she did was she defrauded a bunch of people without me. Yeah. Like, it's fraud. Because I've been so wrapped up in the other story.

Insider trading and all that happened. But I'm not, I don't know the details of all that. She's benefiting from this shooter right now. A pyramid scheme in a world where it's legal to do pyramid schemes, if you just don't do them in a day, do them in a year. But they did it in a day, though. But the through line, the thing I'm bringing up is she's an entertainer. She shouldn't be involved in this like pull for profit.

Health care. Health care. They shouldn't be involved, but that's where we're at. Everything is only about that profit. And I think people feel it And this dude clearly didn't shot a guy And again, I'm so happy about it No, me too

I wish that dude would come back to life And they'd shoot him again. Would hit. And no, listen, I'm with you, man, because like, you know, I hear it from super capitalist people all the time is like, well, how do you think businesses are supposed to work? So businesses just shouldn't make money?

I'm like, no, businesses should. I'm telling you things that shouldn't be businesses, is what I'm saying. You know, like, but even also, but even still there's like, use an example on the other end of things. Like, you know, the CEO of a Costco, I was going to say Arizona T's,

but Costco too, but like that guy has said like he could have made way more money if he would have just done what every single other beverage company ever has done and increased the prices gradually. But he was like, but I already am a fucking multimillionaire. And that's just fine for me. I think T's should be 99 cents.

God damn it. Like you don't have to. you don't have to compromise that. You can make, you can make the decision to still be super rich and not fuck people over. Like, yeah, the Costco guy, he like, they brought in a nude dude because he was wanting to semi-retire or whatever. And that guy pitched the idea of, like, raising the cost of the hot dogs or whatever.

And the Costco dude, like, grabbed him by the shoulder. It was like, I will fucking kill you. Like, no, listen to me. Listen to me. If you raise the price of the hot dog, I will kill you. I'm not kidding. And everybody loves that. And again, and again, I'm not saying that every single fucking business has to beheaded by, should beheaded.

That would work. Yeah. But like, what I'm saying is like, if you're a, if you're a fucking, if you make jeans, you know what I mean? And I mean, we're going to take out the sweat labor camps or whatever. Like, but if your whole goal when you're making. But what I'm saying is if your whole goal when you're making. jeans is like, I want to make jeans to make a lot of money. That's fucking fine.

Healthcare shouldn't be in that, you shouldn't have that same mindset. Undeniable true. Healthcare prisons, any of that. You don't want to privatize everything. You know? Yes. I was going to say education. Yes.

It's another that. You're right. Did you see, did you say Arizona and Costco? Because you saw that one that guy did. It went pretty viral of like, like the video was like. No, I just know from being on Reddit that those are the two that always get jerked off by everybody. But I didn't.

So there's a... It was a very basic video, but it was well done. It was like CEOs right now, and he was like, oh, fuck, what do we do? We got a higher security. And then it was like cuts. And it's like Arizona T CEO. No, I'm not worried at all, dog. Right.

Pretty good over here. What about you? Of course. Costco guy. Yeah, dude. I got nothing to worry about. No, but dude, like, I mean, bad example I get. But like, if Jeff Bezos only made half of what he makes, a 10% away.

Like, he'd be fine. Like there's no, you don't have to, but, but again, like Amazon's a different situation. But like, again, like Drew said, if you want to make bespoke jeans and sell them for 500 bucks, great. If someone wants to pay 500 bucks for jeans, fucking have at it. But like, my me ma'am all ain't got a lot of options. You know what I'm saying? Like, and like you said, like what they were doing with those fucking nursing homes, like monopolizing the whole goddamn system, like, there's certain things. They should be cute.

Yeah. And there's just certain things that shouldn't be for. And that's why I don't understand when people are like, as soon as you mentioned some Bernie shit, they're like communism. It's like, dog, we're just saying these things don't need to be fucking free market ran by these. And public companies that need shareholders that need like every, not everything need to be like that. But do your smoothie business fucking go wild. And can I just say, since you brought his name up, it's like Candyman, now I'm here in the mirror. the Democratic Party,

if you look at how everyone universally is like, fuck that guy, I'm glad he killed him. And not only did they rat fucking torpedo Bernie Sanders, but then they refused to steal any of his ideas. I thought they were at least going to do that. Right.

I thought they were at least going to be like, yeah, fuck him, but we can run on that, right? And they didn't, and then they lost. I'm not saying it was a guaranteed win,

and I'm not saying Bernie Sanders is the perfect vessel to deliver that message. but I am saying that that is clearly something that all of America feels, and it was right there. Well, brother, I mean, I don't know how this is now, because, you know, eight years is a long time. Now, granted, Bernie ain't changed a fucking word, he said. Still eating soup, dog.

Yeah, I mean, dude, because, like, if you just, you know, if you just tell the truth, you ain't got to worry about what you said, that's kind of how it is. But, like, in 2016, and, you know, it's not just, we were told this by our friend Sarah Smarsh, We were told this by fucking polls. It's just a fact is that a lot of people, when they kicked Bernie out, they didn't go to Hillary. They went to Trump.

You know what I mean? It's like those people were there, bro. And it's a, listen, man, I know we don't need another old white guy. I understand that. But maybe when you're trying to. Yes, we did. We need to win. That's what I'm saying is like, dude, how about this?

Whenever you're trying to, your words, not my, I mean, I feel it to save democracy from fascist, maybe don't try to break the world record. at the same goddamn time. You know what I mean? Maybe go with what fucking works and then do all that shit later. Can I read something from our friend Sarah Smarsh that you just reminded me of? Absolutely.

It's not that long. If you're among the untold millions who unlike CNN analysts are not remotely confused by his motivations, who know the violence, visit upon the American people by private health insurance companies every day, who like me have known people

who were denied care, suffered and died while quote unquote insured, whose very good and nonviolent heart is so utterly ravaged by this oligarchy that you find yourself rooting for this young man, you are not a monster. Those who set in boardrooms calculating how to increase already absurd profits by denying health care claims, which is a thoroughly documented reality, they are the monsters. Their violence is never justified. They are a danger to society.

They are criminals in the court of the human soul. unless you misunderstand or mistake, vengeance, always foolish, never productive, cyclical in its horror, has little to do with this swell of feeling among the masses. I suspect it was low, if even present, on his list of reasons. The release of fury you are witnessing is peaceful people saying, after generations of victimization, take the corporate boot off my child's neck, my mother's neck and my own neck in our literal fight to survive. It's not pretty, but it's the truth.

Amen, brother. So let me close this episode out. We can't follow that. Can't never follow Sarah. That's always brilliant Sarah. But yeah, oh, hey, it's the way. It's here. It's here.

It's upon us. This very weekend, the three of us will be together again for the holidays. And at Zanis in Nashville, our favorite club in the country, as we are every year. If you've been before, you know it always hits. So it's going to hit again. It's December 12th through the 14th. Five shows.

Tickets are moving, as always. You can still get some out there, I believe. And so come and see us, make it hit. Also, and then I've got another show in Chicago at the end of December 21st, and then I'm going all over the place of 2025. You can go to Trey Crowder.com and find links to all those shows, including Zanis this weekend. So, yeah, check it out.

His manifesto's out. Ken Clippinstein, that I say his name right? Who I love one of my favorite journalists has gotten it and he's putting it out. I'm about to read it. I will be in Asheville, North Carolina on December the 20th. That's a Friday at Catawba Brewery. I've got the tickets up on my website. That's a rescheduled show.

If you had tickets to the other one, come, we'll let you in. Trying to raise some money that night, donating as much as I can afford to with his baby to the people, the victims, all that. I'll be in Marietta, Georgia on January 25th, but let's all hang out this weekend in Nashville. Absolutely. I am going to be at the Comedy Catch in Chattanooga, December 20th through the Turs, also doing their home for the holiday stuff. Grab them tickets at thecomedycatch.com. But, you know, as I said, boys, this is my favorite weekend of the year.

I'm super stoked. Y'all, come on out and, you know, like we always say, this is the only time we're together all year. So even if you're not from Nashville, if you're just around, Hell, I know for a fact, because people have been tweeting at me, they're like, just got my flights booked. Come see us at Nashville this weekend, Zanies, Treycrader.com for those tickets. And also, oh, and listen to our other podcast. We got Gravy, baby, we got weekly skews, and we've got Putting on Airs, which this week, we're going to have a great episode.

I'll go ahead and promote it. That Twitter's main character for like the past three months, Derek Guy at Die Workwear, we're going to have him as a guest on putting on air. It's going to be great. Thank you all for listening to the well-read show We'd love to stick around longer But we got to go Tune in next week if you got nothing to do Thank you God bless you good night

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